Hi everyone, firstly you have to register to participate in this game.
The set amount of players has been reached, however if you wish you can still go to the thread and sign up as a back up in case one of the players has to quit for some reason.

Rules
Votes
1. Votes must be bold and not hidden in the middle of a sentence. Hiding in text I might be a little leniant with, but if the vote isn't in bold it will not count.
So Vote:n0t_u is a bad vote, but Vote:n0t_u is a good one. Also I don't care if some of you (*cough*Drk_O*cough*) get a little crazy when it comes to voting, but I will only count the last vote in a post. It can be whatever colour or underlined if you feel the need, but it must be bold to count.

2. You must unvote before throwing out a new vote. If you don't unvote them, then I'll just assume that you still want to vote for them and the new one is a special cry for attention from the other players.

3. Lynching requires a majority of the votes to fall upon one player, kind of obvious as you vote for who dies in the day phase.

4. No Lynch will be an option in this, and in no way is to ever be considered a trap at all.

Posting
1. First rule of Mafia game is we don't talk about Mafia game outside of Mafia game.

2. When you die you get a single death post, then you get the honor of lurking.

3. Don't edit your posts, if you feel something must be fixed up make a new post about it.

4. Posts must be readable, meaning no extremely small text, invisible, upside down, etc. You are however allowed to use secret codes if you want.
Y N P E O B E S U E R O C S A M A U W E

5. You cannot quote any PMs from me or request others to do so.

6. If you will be unavailable for a few days, usually at least three, make a post about it.

7. Usually this is a rule about only making stuff you want me to see bold and nothing else, but it's not. Instead if you want me to specifically see anything just use the scary red text instead. That way you're free to use bold in your posts for effect (yelling or whatever).

8. If I make a mistake PM me about it and I'll fix it.

Prodding
1. A player will be prodded if they have been inactive for three days. Sort of a "Where the hell are you" message.

2. Weekends will count as only one day, as I command it.

3. When I send you a prod you have 48 hours to respond to it. If you fail to you will be dealt with (ie. I'll find someone new).

4. As previously mentioned, mention if you'll be unavailable for a few days.

Players
the_ferrett
BishopGore
Rabtorian
Mordoskul
Jburch
boss storm
Thor656
RiTides
BrotherStynier
Krellnus
Vulkan_He'stan
Drk_Oblitr8r


Roles are to be distributed shortly then followed by the story post to kick off the game.

All roles have been distributed, if you didn't receive one you are just a normal Gretchen.

You all awaken in the small shack the Warboss was kind enough to allow Gretchens to live in. The air is filled with slightly more yelling and gunfire than normal. A few shouts about an "Em Po Rah" or something like that can be heard. The shack rattles from a nearby explosion sending you all into a panic. You rush for the door but find it's locked and no one knows where the key is. More importantly though you notice a hole ripped in the back of the shack, something that wasn't there the night before. Around it is some scattered Gretchin remains. Being Gretchen it takes you a bit to realise the fact that the hole leads to the Squig pen and they decided to bust in and grab some during the night.

Even in a panicked state there is one thing clear to even the Gretchens; run and hide. You all realise there is just one thing to do; find the Squigs and kill them so you can escape. But which are the Squigs and which are the Gretchens, your limited mind struggles to figure it out.

Day Phase One Start

the_ferrett
BishopGore
Rabtorian
Mordoskul
Jburch
boss storm
Thor656
RiTides
BrotherStynier
Krellnus
Vulkan_He'stan
Drk_Oblitr8r

With 12 left it takes 7 to lynch.
Day Phase One lasts for one week, ending on the 10th of May. Timer found here.

So, locked in a shed with no way out. Evil Ninja Squigs wanting to eat myself and some others. This could get very, very interesting...
I A W C N I A D L N I L (In responce to n0t_u [I think])

Vote: Krellnus (all my votes will be this way, seeing as it's allowed P: )

Cause, because page 26, paragraph 2, sentance 7, word 3 of the Dark Eldar codex says "lengthy"

I point to the first person I see. With my slender shaking finger raised high I proclaime "HES A SQUIG...KILL HIM!!!"

Vote: The_ferrett

I absolutely agree, your logic is almost as perfect as mine

Damn straight Rabtorian.

I want a recount!

Also, I'm rather proud I caused a rule to be expanded on <3

I've already found a loophole in it though

rargh it is true dark o did steal the other thing that automatically make him a squig

VOTE: DRK O

Wots diss den? Anuvver day, anuvver buncha ded stuff! Can't be havin diss, I'm too prittie ta die!

Vote: JBurch

He's too skinny ta be a real gretchin!

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:rargh it is true dark o did steal the other thing that automatically make him a squig

VOTE: DARK O

D: This DARK O person sounds pretty bad. I'll wait to see what his rebuttle is before I vote for him though.

that was never there -_-

BishopGore wrote:Wots diss den? Anuvver day, anuvver buncha ded stuff! Can't be havin diss, I'm too prittie ta die!

Vote: JBurch

He's too skinny ta be a real gretchin!

If I was a squig then obviously I would know it! And as I know I am a gretchin then obviously you are a SQUIG! KILL THE SQUIG! *Hides under a table*

Unvote : The_ferrett

Vote : BishopGore

Let's not be hasty. Going on a killing spree now would not be good. Well, it would be good for the squigs but very, very bad for us. Which is why I think we should all Vote: no lynch for now.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:that was never there -_-

Quitchore editin of posts! It ain't allowed!

See? SEE! I make one little accusation and the darn Squig starts flailing wildly at me! Ya can't be a gretchin and act like that, ee must be a Squig!

Nothing ever happened
*Runs into wall screaming

Vote: Rabtorian
Because no lynch always equals trouble.

Ahoy-hoy, missed this opening up.

So we're wagoning Rabtorian then, eh?

Vote: Rabtorian

Obvious Squig is obvious.

AHA! I've got you now Thor!

Trying to get everyone to think the_ferret and yourself are superbestfriendsforeverx2 when really, you're trying to make it so that when you flip scum, and we ALL know you will, you'll take the_ferrett down with you.

How dastardly!

Well, I've got to make sure I'm responsible for ferrett's death again somehow. Later I'll wait for you to make a case on me and get you killed too

Vote: Thor

Because I'm still bitter

Also, guys- no editing! I see at least 2 edited posts above. If you need to clarify something just make a new post. Otherwise it looks shady (and is against the rules).

What? ME?! Well the I'll have to do something about this. Unvote: No lynch and Vote: Thor. Besides, all I was pointing out was the fact that the Doctor or Detective or whatever may have been lyched instead of getting lucky with hitting a squig. If I'm being obviously anything its obviously cautious, as I always am. There's really no need to go biting someones head off for trying to be sensible and not killing anyone.

Rabtorian wrote:If I'm being obviously anything its obviously cautious, as I always am.

Yeah, I'm totally ignoring how you're always cautious...whut?
If you're so worried about lynching a cop or doc why are you so quick to vote me?

Because it is both retaliatory and logical. I don't want to be lynched. I had the most votes on me. I vote and make a tie, which would also result in no lynch, for now. It didn't matter who I chose to lynch as I only needed to tie things, and you voted for me. Also I didn't mean this sort of game in general when I said I was being cautious, but life in general. I get sweaty palms and relatively nervous just standin on chairs. To be honest that probably din't say what I inteded it to do, so I guess that is my fault. If you take offence at my voting for you then I Unvote: Thor665 and Vote: Krellnus. It doesn't really matter at any rate as this is only the start of the first day and there is still time aplenty.

Rabto, you speak of always am and yey you're 14 posts in. Please explain.

My apologies. That was a mistake. As I said in my previous post, I meant that I am generally a very cautious person and inclined to avoid taking risks whenever possible. That is what I meant. I did not realise that people would misunderstand what I wrote and as such was not very clear. it is my fault, and I realise that. I also must apoplogise about voting for no lynch. I have only ever played this game once or twice before and never over the internet. It is also the first time I have had the option to vote against lynching. If you could explain the issue with no lynching, I would be gratefull. I am also not opposed to the idea of lynching, but random votes being thrown around made me think it could be the best idea. Again, I haven't really seen people behave in this way at the start of the game, and an explination would be greatly appreciated.

"I say I kill all of you, you are all none grots"


OOC: sorry am late PC not been working

Vote update

the_ferrett - 0 -
BishopGore - 1 - (Jburch)
Rabtorian - 2 - (Ferret, Thor)
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 1 - (Bishop)
boss storm - 0 -
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 2 - (Drk, Rabtorian)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
Drk_Oblitr8r - 1 - (Vulkan)
No Lynch - 0 -

Vote Log
Drk vote Krellnus
Jburch vote Ferrett
Vulkan vote Drk
Bishop vote Jburch
Jburch unvote Ferrett
Jburch vote Bishop
Rabtorian vote No Lynch
Ferret vote Rabtorian
Thor vote Rabtorian
Ri vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote No Lynch
Rabtorian vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote Thor
Rabtorian vote Krellnus

@Rabtorian - in your other experiences with the game, how does the start of the game usually go?

@Thor
It usually starts with everyone being noisy, disorganised and shouting.The first night kill then happens and people start talking about who it could possibly be. The second night kill happens and people start laying the game. It might be very different over the internet but then, I wouldn't know.

I say it Krellnus because hes the person next to me

OOC:To tell truth I have no idea whats going on.

Oy, I sayz we gut dis Rabtorian eh seemz squig like to me. And if eh's not well we can bide time by throwin 'is corpse to da squigs.

Vote: Rabtorian

Really? You guys think we should kill Rabtorian? That's 3 votes on him now...

Honestly, I'm going with Thor and ignoring all logic. He was way too powerful last game and if he's a squig I feel there's no way I'm going to know... so, off with his head!

Ok, things are coming out of random town, there are things to discuss.

The beginning of internet games are exactly the same Rabtorian, we shout and rant and throw around accusations, usually someone dies on the first day froma lynch, then there is a night kill. The first lynch is because it allows us to draw conclusions from who dies on day 1 and who is killed on night one. If people don't vote then we are in the dark after the first night kill, nothing to go on.

That being said, you're shifty. You're already talking about balancing votes and not being on top, when we're a couple of days in. That's not town-like behaviour (even if it is the probing voting stage).

Unvote: JBurch

Vote: Rabtorian

@RiTides - with 12 alive, it usually takes 7 to lynch outright. He's getting close to dying, but if any of the scum are incredibly intelligent and band wagon to kill him then we will never EVER find out who they are. Wink wink.

My thing is, Thor led the charge for most of the lynches in the last game (save WarOrk... that was me ) and I don't want to railroad people to the gallows again, over and over, over a single slip up / impression that they can never recover from in the rest of the town's opinions. We did half the killing for the killers last time.

So my vote is staying with Thor... for now as a "principle" vote, since I don't see evidence to vote for anyone else yet (particularly someone being so completely obvious as Rabtorian... Thor's other outcome of last game is to convince me that the squigs are probably shifty little buggers that aren't likely to be the one guy who is a screamingly obvious target on day one).

If anything, let's go no lynch and wait to see what the killers do, rather than burn our days down by lynching people on a whim this time.

I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

Although I can see how it could be a viable strategy to use every once in a while.

RiTides wrote:Honestly, I'm going with Thor and ignoring all logic. He was way too powerful last game and if he's a squig I feel there's no way I'm going to know... so, off with his head!

Congratulations, you have successfully deduced that I am good at the game - if you're town you should probably not want me dead because I am on your side. If you're going with the ol' "Thor is too good to be trusted" at *least* give me a few days. If I'm really town than scum should be scared of me and kill me for you, and if I'm scum than I'll still be alive and then you can press the case with the ol' 'Why is Thor still alive case'.

RiTides wrote:If anything, let's go no lynch and wait to see what the killers do, rather than burn our days down by lynching people on a whim this time.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - we need to do lynching.

We win the game by killing scum.
No lynch has a 0% chance to kill scum.
Lynching has a 33% chance to kill scum if we guess totally randomly.
Lynching also lets you see evidence of who is willing to vote whom and why - and helps provide evidence for lynching scum.
No lynching provides no evidence because all that happens is someone ends up dead and than you're stuck looking around going...well, what now? No lynch again?

The *only* advantage to no lynch is we get to night so power roles cna try to help town.
We get the same effect with a lynch.
So...


@boss storm - have you ever played a mafia game before? I'm wondering if you're lost because of the rules or what - if you clarify how you're lost we can help you to join in. If not...well, we can't.

@Rabtorian - You noted that your games never had an option to 'no lynch' so how did everyone usually select a lynch Day 1 in your usual games?

I don't reaaly see how that is not town-like behaviour. I mean, why would a squig, who wants people to die vote in order to prevent the deaths of townspeople. Also, why wouldn't I want to avoid being on top? Nobody wants to die. The whole point is continued suvival. If I am dead, I am not alive and whilst the town may win in the end, I personnaly have lost. I doubt that a dead soldier would consider a victory a victory, you know?

BrotherStynier wrote:I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

To be honest, I think I've played in...what, six/seven games on site?
I think I was only town in two of them, which statistically is all gakked to hell and is sad because, in all honesty, my favorite role in the game is vanilla town.

That said, I still don't support a lynch of me (or a defense) based simply off random numbers like that. Statistics generates bell curves for a reason.

Oh, and RiTides - I'll add to your 'no lynch' thing, that the two times I was town I caught scum Day 1 in one of the games and Day 2 in the other - I didn't live past either discovery (because the doc was stuuuupid ). But I do note that because I do believe I have a reasonably better than random accuracy average when it comes to finding scum. Which supports my 'don't kill me just yet you lack wits' defense.

Rabtorian wrote:If I am dead, I am not alive and whilst the town may win in the end, I personnaly have lost. I doubt that a dead soldier would consider a victory a victory, you know?

NO!
Town victories are team victories, and if you don't believe that than maybe you should die early because you couldn't be trusted to do what town needs if it requires you being dead.

Also, i did ask you another question I'd love to have answered. ^^^

Alright. What would happen is that nobody would get lynched because nobody would vote. Basically, I have never played a well organised version of this game and so have very little experience with this one. I was also unaware of the whole team victory thing. I was under the impression that the main goal of being a townie is to suvive and that killing the bad guys was just a means to that end. I must admit that even if I die early, what little I have learned is good to know and will probably change any way I was thinking of playing the game drastically.

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:I dont think we should go with Thor, because why would someone choose Thor as the antagonist two times in a row? I mean surely the Game Manager would go away from that considering some would likely vote him just because.

To be honest, I think I've played in...what, six/seven games on site?
I think I was only town in two of them, which statistically is all gakked to hell and is sad because, in all honesty, my favorite role in the game is vanilla town.

That said, I still don't support a lynch of me (or a defense) based simply off random numbers like that. Statistics generates bell curves for a reason.

Oh, and RiTides - I'll add to your 'no lynch' thing, that the two times I was town I caught scum Day 1 in one of the games and Day 2 in the other - I didn't live past either discovery (because the doc was stuuuupid ). But I do note that because I do believe I have a reasonably better than random accuracy average when it comes to finding scum. Which supports my 'don't kill me just yet you lack wits' defense.

Really? You've been enemy six or seven times? I could have sworn it was less, cause everytime I was Inquisitor, except this last time and this time I investigated you and you rolled pro-town. At least I investigated you most of the times because of how you generally are.

I recall my preponderance for being scum to line up similar to how often you're the 'cop' equivalent.

The only town game I have certain recall on was the one where I tagged Manchu Day 1. I'm actually not sure I had one other, but recall being right on like Day 2 and dying right after that, so unless I'm confusing the Manchu one for that I've been town twice, and if I'm wrong - only once. Every other game I remember I was scum - the Titan one, the first one I played on site (I remember this was annoying because I wanted to advise the town more but also lie to them a bit and...gak), both of my last two outings. Scum, scum, scum.

Didn't you catch me once via investigation? Or am I remembering the Titan one?

Assuming Thor is pro-town because he was scum last game is not sound thinking. Roles are assigned randomly, anyone could have a role, random chance says he's as likely to be scum as anyone else.

@Rabtorian, Thor has already answered your question. Pro-town behaviour is being willing to die to further the cause of the town. A good soldier will lay down his life to ensure his comrades achieve victory. He doesn't WANT to die, nobody wants to die, but it's necessary, and through sacrifice things can be discovered.

There's quite a few new players, so we have to be sure we don't devolve too much into 'previous game' discussions, where players have acted similarly before it can be noted, but I think we should focus on discussing the current game and what has been said.

No lynch is NOT pro-town. Lynches are how the game is played, and even a blind lynch is better than no lynch.

Having looked over all the posts, I now see where Thor and BishopGore are coming from. I don't feel easy with a stab in the dark but some chance is better than no chance. I also realize that this game has some significant differences to the ones I have played before. I bow to superior wisdom (when it comes to this game) and admit that no lynch mightn't be as good as it sounds.

Unvote: Rabtorian

I'll puzzle out a good spot for my vote tomorrow when I'm alive. I actually have a very strong town read on Rabtorian and oppose his lynch aggressively now.

You oppose it aggressively? So in essence you'll consider anyone voting for Rabtorian as a threat to the town and go after them with loaded grotzooka? Seems a little early to be so sure about someone Thor.

Can you explain what it is about Rabtorian that you think is so pro-town that you're willing to be aggressive about it? Because I see a newcomer who is willing to listen to advice, not someone who is behaving pro town (listening to sensible advice is a good move for scum too).

I'm not saying Rabtorian looks QUITE as scummy as his first few actions, just trying to get a read on this very sudden 180 and any potential link between you two.

Ok, I am going to stop RP'ing a Gretchin now and actualy play the game lol.

I am gunna venture out to some of the veterans here and see if there is any history to show a link between time of posting and the time the game actualy "launched". If someone were to say have PM's sent to them in email, then they would most likely log in to Dakka and get started on the game quickly. The only persons who would recieve a PM when the game launched would be persons who are either squigs, or one of the other special characters (lol I am still not clear on the roles in this type game).

So I notice that it wasnt long after the game went underway that rab and Drk posted. I dunno, may be nothing, just asking some of you vets.

O and one other thing

Unvote : Bishopgore

Those first couple votes was pretty much me being stupid cus I dunno what I am doing, but from reading how others are playing I am starting to see how it works

The reason I posted so early was because I have no life and spend almost my entire afternoon on these forums. I checked to see if anyone else had signed up and BAM the game is started.

Very sneaky thinking JBurch. Rabtorian is very new to these forums, so it's hard to know about him, but I know Drk_O is either ignoring the forums or never away from them. And n0t_u is in the same time zone as him, so possibly they were just on at the same time.

HOWEVER, it is well worth a notice.

The way the game began might give some hint of who is scum, but at the same time remember that scum like to lurk, especially in the first couple of days. Out of sight can lead to out of mind and a 'coming out' in later days with a rise to prominence. We've either found a couple of scum in Rabtorian and Drk_O, or we're falling into a scum trap.

Either way, we've got people to watch!

Thor665 wrote:I recall my preponderance for being scum to line up similar to how often you're the 'cop' equivalent.

The only town game I have certain recall on was the one where I tagged Manchu Day 1. I'm actually not sure I had one other, but recall being right on like Day 2 and dying right after that, so unless I'm confusing the Manchu one for that I've been town twice, and if I'm wrong - only once. Every other game I remember I was scum - the Titan one, the first one I played on site (I remember this was annoying because I wanted to advise the town more but also lie to them a bit and...gak), both of my last two outings. Scum, scum, scum.

Didn't you catch me once via investigation? Or am I remembering the Titan one?

I caught you once on investigation but I was being a more 'Radical' Inquisitor and you and your partner turned it on me, and then there was the once with the Titan Game where we were both the scum, and I died cause I couldn't recall how that game worked.

I suppose going straight for you could be an ok strategy, but its not one I'm willing to go with at this time. Though in the mean time I'm going to assume I will be killed in the night for reminding people I usually am the 'Cop'.

Vote update

the_ferrett - 0 -
BishopGore - 0 -
Rabtorian - 3 - (Ferret, Bishop, BrotherStynier)
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 0 -
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 2 - (Drk, Rabtorian)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
Drk_Oblitr8r - 1 - (Vulkan)
No Lynch - 0 -

Vote Log
Drk vote Krellnus
Jburch vote Ferrett
Vulkan vote Drk
Bishop vote Jburch
Jburch unvote Ferrett
Jburch vote Bishop
Rabtorian vote No Lynch
Ferret vote Rabtorian
Thor vote Rabtorian
Ri vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote No Lynch
Rabtorian vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote Thor
Rabtorian vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Rabtorian
Bishop unvote Jburch
Bishop vote Rabtorian
Thor unvote Rabtorian
Jburch unvote Bishop

BishopGore wrote:The way the game began might give some hint of who is scum, but at the same time remember that scum like to lurk, especially in the first couple of days. Out of sight can lead to out of mind and a 'coming out' in later days with a rise to prominence. We've either found a couple of scum in Rabtorian and Drk_O, or we're falling into a scum trap.

Either way, we've got people to watch!

I think you're falling into your own trap. I always try to be the first one to post in these games. It's a mini challenge, which I only just failed when Rabtorian ninja'd me by a short time. So I'm not acting out of the ordinary.

We'll always have people to watch. Otherwise the game would be over

My own trap? I haven't set a trap, I'm just saying that what Rabtorian thunked had merit.

And yes, I said that you're a forum junkie, either passed out, high on posting lots of witty comments, or feverishly trying to get more into your system

Unvote: Rabtorian

We probably need to start looking for people who are acting out of character. My scumdar is not really going off yet, just a trace flicker on a newbie who has played different forms of this game. Has anyone not posted yet? Mordo is on his second game and was very quiet last game. Not much from ferrett if I recall... two usually quiet people being quiet.

Vote: Drk_O

Never a bad vote.

@BG - Considering you unvoted him - no, I won't bother to explain the read.

Rabtorian wrote:Because it is both retaliatory and logical. I don't want to be lynched. I had the most votes on me. I vote and make a tie, which would also result in no lynch, for now. It didn't matter who I chose to lynch as I only needed to tie things, and you voted for me. Also I didn't mean this sort of game in general when I said I was being cautious, but life in general. I get sweaty palms and relatively nervous just standin on chairs. To be honest that probably din't say what I inteded it to do, so I guess that is my fault. If you take offence at my voting for you then I Unvote: Thor665 and Vote: Krellnus. It doesn't really matter at any rate as this is only the start of the first day and there is still time aplenty.

Right! I'll teach you book-reading worms and your books... Vote: Rabtorian
LETS GIT 'IM BOYZ!

Not really. It's like voting for me because we posted. If we simply weren't online, you'd be using this line of reasoning against someone else.

(proceeds to try and respond to the rest of your post, but trails off on a long speach about the sexual apeal of turtles)

Unvote: Krellnus
Vote: Thor665

I see no reason to deny the inevitable.

I'll live this time, because I'm full of misplaced confidence <3

That and the post immediately following Bishop's suggesting we look for people out of character, Thor votes for me. As if to try to avoid speculation. Seems suspicious...

I dont know Dark_O you posted that vote in pink, thats kinda suspicious. On the other hand, its kinda suspicious that I haven't voted for Ferret vet. So take that as you will.

Obviously it means we are working together to kill all of you. Dan, there went our plan.

Damn.


This is what I get for waking up at 8.

Waking up at 8am on May 6th? ouch.

@Drk_O - what was I trying to avoid, and why are you not pressuring me about it?

If Rabtorium is town than that Krellums guy probably is too. It's a weaker read than the Rabotrium one though. I do think our votes would be far more useful off that wagon than on it.

Thor665 wrote:Congratulations, you have successfully deduced that I am good at the game - if you're town you should probably not want me dead because I am on your side.

Note: you said this kind of thing last game, and you were scum. I.e., if you're scum, I think you're the biggest thread. However...

Thor665 wrote:If you're going with the ol' "Thor is too good to be trusted" at *least* give me a few days. If I'm really town than scum should be scared of me and kill me for you, and if I'm scum than I'll still be alive and then you can press the case with the ol' 'Why is Thor still alive case'.

I am going to hold you to this. If you're still alive on day 3, don't expect me to be convinced that you're not scum. This is a fair warning...

I am not sure who to vote for at the moment, but I am not going to unvote either since Thor thinks we should be lynching somebody

Remove "thread". Insert "threat". The above makes so much more sense...

Fair enough Thor... for someone who usually speaks out for people giving long lists of reasons in case they die, that seems like an odd thing to say. I'll assume you are playing some cards close to your chest right now.

I need to think about this. Unvote: Krellnus

Striving to get a lynch, and possibly kill one of the scum,

Vote: Rabtorian

BrotherStynier wrote:I dont know Dark_O you posted that vote in pink, thats kinda suspicious. On the other hand, its kinda suspicious that I haven't voted for Ferret vet. So take that as you will.

It wasn't in pink, it was in Violet

My voting in Violet also sprang from this

n0t_u wrote:
Votes
1. It can be whatever colour or underlined if you feel the need, but it must be bold to count.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Vote: Krellnus (all my votes will be this way, seeing as it's allowed P: )

Note that the vote is also in Italics, underlined and in size 24 font

Thor665 wrote:@Drk_O - what was I trying to avoid, and why are you not pressuring me about it?

Well, this.

BishopGore wrote:We probably need to start looking for people who are acting out of character.

9 mins 32 seconds later.

Thor665 wrote:Vote: Drk_O

Never a bad vote.

It seems much more than a coincidence to me, but I'm going to hold off voting for the moment.

@BrotherStynier

It looks pink in bold, for some reason.

Mordoskul wrote:Striving to get a lynch, and possibly kill one of the scum,

Vote: Rabtorian

Why do you think Rabtorium is scum?

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Thor665 wrote:@Drk_O - what was I trying to avoid, and why are you not pressuring me about it?

Well, this.

BishopGore wrote:We probably need to start looking for people who are acting out of character.

9 mins 32 seconds later.

Thor665 wrote:Vote: Drk_O

Never a bad vote.

It seems much more than a coincidence to me, but I'm going to hold off voting for the moment.

Are you saying me voting you is 'out of character' or are you saying that me voting you is 'in character'. I don't get your angle.

I don't necessarily think he's scum, but better to narrow down the list rather than a No Lynch.

I think he's more likely town than you and have indicated as such.
Why want to lynch him over, say, Drk_O?

I meant that you voting for me is very in character for you, and you were suspiciously quick to do so. As if you were only doing so in order to try to avoid suspicion

So you're saying that to look town I should have done something other than what I might normally have done?

...
...
...naaaaah.

I think he's saying you're clever enough to play the game the same way whether you're town or scum and will usually kill him within a few days, so either way he's worried about you

I don't think any of us will get a read on Thor either way, whatever may happen.

Hi Mordo, glad you could join us, are you bandwagonning today?

VOTE: Krellnus , as I was doing just fine voring him anyway. And he's voted me. Woopdeedoo.

Thor665 wrote:So you're saying that to look town I should have done something other than what I might normally have done?

...
...
...naaaaah.

I think I'm saying you're clever enough to play the game the same way whether you're town or scum and will usually kill me within a few days, so either way I'm worried about you.

I don't now if thats what I actually mean, but I think this is kinda close. I have never lived to the end of a game, but you usually kill me much earlier than I would have if you weren't playing.

Back responding to what you actually said, at the time you did it was. 9 mins 32 seconds previous Bishop said we should keep an eye on the people acting differently, so you did what you'd normally do.

If I'm not making any sense, I'm sorry, I have trouble with words sometimes.

i'm busy most of this week. If I survive, grats.

And Ferrett is also careful to act completely in character

A day and a half left... let's make some progress.

I am open to being convinced to change my vote- but less so than last game, since I was played like a puppet on strings

Ferrett speaks and acts how he wants, thanks. For the record, Thorr plays everyone like a harp: Cue me stuck between voting out a guilty scum and a controlling guilty scum.

Third person?

That's my problem- I can't tell if Thor is playing me or not, so I feel it's safest to have him gone...

BishopGore wrote:Hi Mordo, glad you could join us, are you bandwagonning today?

Not gonna lie. I'm bandwagonning.

I am not happy with Thor's reasoning for pardoning Rabtorian. I'm not totally sure what it was that he meant and I want to know. A vote on Rabtorian seems less useful than actually pointing at Thor himself.

Vote: Thor665

Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:@BrotherStynier

It looks pink in bold, for some reason.

Well even normal it looks pink to me, but I've always been a little color blind regarding Violet and Pink.

Time left and vote count please.

BishopGore wrote:I am not happy with Thor's reasoning for pardoning Rabtorian. I'm not totally sure what it was that he meant and I want to know. A vote on Rabtorian seems less useful than actually pointing at Thor himself.

I'm voting Rabtorian.
Thor says Rabtorian is town.
I don't believe him.
Vote Thor.

Look, if I *am* scum than you should recognize that as scum I happily bus my partners. Me defending someone means that either I think they are town, or I'm scum and I know they're town. Derpy-doo.
Voting people who get town reads on other players is not a good pro-town strategy.
You shouldn't vote me because I'll be a lot more amusing than most of these guys later in the game. Other than that you should vote me, but only if you actually think I'm scum.

You completely avoided the question and oversimplified the chain of events.

You vote Rabtorian.
I vote Rabtorian for similar reasons.
You unvote claiming a strong town read.
I ask what this read is based on.
I unvote Rabtorian out of lack of response from either party (it's Day 1, votes are flying all over) and then you say you don't want to say any more.
I apply pressure vote to you.

Voting for someone is a time honoured way of applying pressure. There's still plenty of time for me to move my vote elsewhere. Just don't see anywhere else for it to go, except No Lynch, and we both agree that is a poor use of a vote.

So basically I'm not scummy to you and the extent of your pressure is you want me to justify a town read that you don't even feel is scum enough to keep pressuring?

Naaaah.

Vote update

the_ferrett - 0 -
BishopGore - 0 -
Rabtorian - 4 - (Ferret, BrotherStynier, Krellnus, Mordo)
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 0 -
Thor656 - 3 - (Ri, Drk, Bishop)
RiTides - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 1 - (Rabtorian)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
Drk_Oblitr8r - 2 - (Vulkan, Thor)
No Lynch - 0 -

With 12 alive, it requires 7 to lynch, if time were to run out Rabtorian would be lynched.

Vote Log
Drk vote Krellnus
Jburch vote Ferrett
Vulkan vote Drk
Bishop vote Jburch
Jburch unvote Ferrett
Jburch vote Bishop
Rabtorian vote No Lynch
Ferret vote Rabtorian
Thor vote Rabtorian
Ri vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote No Lynch
Rabtorian vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote Thor
Rabtorian vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Rabtorian
Bishop unvote Jburch
Bishop vote Rabtorian
Thor unvote Rabtorian
Jburch unvote Bishop
Bishop unvote Rabtorian
Thor vote Drk_O
Krellnus vote Rabtorian
Drk_O unvote Krellnus
Drk_O vote Thor
Rabtorian unvote Krellnus
Mordo vote Rabtorian
Rabtorian vote Krellnus
Bishop vote Thor

Well, even I find it somewhat suspicious that Thor changed his mind on me so suddenly. For all I know, he is keeping me as a scapegoat, so that if people ever put pressure on him, he can say "You may want to lynch me but this guy was acting scummy at the start of the game, lynch him in stead." therefore I Unvote: Krellnus and Vote: Thor .

And we'll possibly lose the dude that keeps this prompted well.

Thor665 wrote:So basically I'm not scummy to you and the extent of your pressure is you want me to justify a town read that you don't even feel is scum enough to keep pressuring?

Naaaah.

You're enjoying twisting my words Thor.

I will state more clearly. Of everyone here assembled in this game, you are currently looking the most scummy.

I'm not sure if you're trying to provoke me, or force me to move my vote elsewhere without giving any sort of reason. I've always considered you a pro town player, even when you're scum you give good advice and help out town, but you seem to be playing it differently today. That makes me far more suspicious of you than I have been of anyone else thus far.

My vote stays where it is.

When Thorr flips town I will so I told you so. And then promptly revote the one I'm sitting on.

Just noticed a slight fault in the timer (which I keep forgetting to post a link to ). Currently for some reason it is set for 7am, when it should be pm so here is the corrected timer.

Basically it's just an extra 12 hours that should have been there in the first place. Mistake won't happen again.

Vote : Not_u

Shifting the timer around is a classic scum move.....LETS GET HIM BOYS!!!

BishopGore wrote:I will state more clearly. Of everyone here assembled in this game, you are currently looking the most scummy.

Okay.
Why?

Time has run out so the person with the most votes currently will be lynched and that is Rabtorian.

Story post
After much squabbling the gretchin came to a conclusion, one of you might not be a gretchin so they must be killed so they don't kill any of them. A basic and fairly obvious conclusion, but one that was astounding to one with the mental capacity of a gretchin. Each of you carefully looked around the room trying to figure out who exactly would be the least likely to be a gretchin and thus an enemy. Eventually the votes settled upon Rabtorian, who was promptly grabbed and bound by the group while they tried to figure out just how they could kill him. After several hilariously failed attempts Rabtorian was finally lynched when one of the bunk beds the gretchin used accidentally collapsed while trying to hang him from the top bunk.

Closely observing the corpse of Rabtorian you were all able to determine that he was in fact not a gretchin but a squig of some sort. His role within the pack remained a mystery, but the gretchin could be at ease for now as there was one less squig on the loose, but just how many were left was unknown.





As is the fun of this system the role of a player will not and cannot be revealed until after the game is completed so as to prevent metagaming, so you'll only know if they were pro-town or anti-town.

Night phase one start
During this phase people with a night phase ability can use it by PMing me the relevant information that is determined by the instructions you gained when you were assigned the role. There is a timer for the night phase found in that rather long orange sentence and will go for 48 hours before kicking off day phase two. Of course updates in the phases will be shown in the thread title as per usual.

4v4 is Rab losing?

I thought it was 4v4 as well, but then I see that Rabtorians last post was edited, so maybe that has something to do with it.dunno though

If there's a tie it's randomly selected via this site.

Unless people would prefer both die, a sudden death feature or for a no lynch to happen. I'm open to suggestions.

Ok cool, I am fine with that, just didnt know

The sun rises the following day. The battle outside still continues, none of you really having any idea what is going on. Somehow you all managed to get some sleep while contempt with the fact that you had lowered the amount of enemies for you to deal with, however the panic of the day before quickly resurfaced and grew at the sight of what was waiting for you all in the center of the room.

In the center of the room was Drk_O, obviously now a squig of some sort with a chunk of its head missing. On the other side of the room was Ferret, not much of the chewed up gretchin's corpse was left behind from the night's attack.

Day Phase Two Start

BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 0 -
Thor656 - 0 -
RiTides - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.

Eek . Wait, they can kill 2 of us each night?

And I'm assuming this means Drk_O was a "good squig"?

And finally... am I right in assuming that there's only one squig left?

I'm still in favor of a Thor lynch, if last game is any indication, he's very willing to throw his accomplice under the bus to make himself look more innocent. His backpedaling on Rabotorian could mean that he didn't want him gone that soon... so I'm going to continue my trend here.

Vote: Thor

Ammend my above question to be "only one bad squig left"?

Just so I am clear, while I am trying to make sense of last nights events. There are 4 squigs correct? 2 bad squigs, a doctor squig, and a detective squig?

Scum (squigs) only have a single killing ability.
Someone killed scum.
Drk_O was scum.

RiTides has just accurately identified that I was doing nothing but voting scum all day yesterday. Eh, maybe I can buy that as a very complicated bussing practice on my part - but I'm not sure why I'd want to try to defend Rabbit scum (who lots of people were hopping over) and sell out Drk_O scum who has helped me win before.

@Jburch - squigs are the bad guys, they do not have a doctor squig or a cop squig. Gretchin might have a doctor or cop gretchin. We also probably have either a Vig Gretchin or a SK Gretchin/squig/whatever. I'm leaning Vig currently.

Considering the kill flavor it's pretty clear the squigs (chewing up) killed ferrett and someone else (shooting out head) killed Drk_O for those not slick enough to follow my logic.

Krellnus and Mordo are both probably town, and are not a major consideration now until much later.

I'm vaguely leaning Ri and Bishop as town, Bishop probably more so. On the Rabit wagon, if there is scum, it's probably Brother S - though I wouldn't swear to that and don't want to test it till later.

Considering how Drk_O got on me and my town read of the rest of my wagon, and considering how both of the other major wagons were on scum, I'm leaning towards the last remaining scum being in the non-voters.

Vote: boss storm

Oh, and to clarify - I think Jburch is probably town because of the way he asked his question. Squigs aren't likely to be confused about what powers they have, natch.

I'm also V/LA through Sunday - so don't expect any posts out of me for a while. That said, I have about a full day's worth of information in my above post so you should have plenty to work over.

Well damn. I knew I should have defended the_ferrett, but I was going to do that when I got back from my friends house...

I just got back now, and everyone should go see Fast 5.

[Edit: Ninja'd by Thor, I still say everyone should go see the movie though.]

OOC: I shall haunt you all WHOOOOOOO!

I have no idea who to suspect at the moment as all who I suspected are now dead
Thor which side do you think I am on?

An RVS vote on Drk_O and not much else makes you mostly a null read. I'm giving you a slight town cred simply because you didn't show up and get flappy towards the end, but you're very much on the low end of the scale in my opinion.

I'd probably want you dead prior to everyone I listed above as looking townish. I'd rather have boss storm dead than you - but you're pretty much right after. I might debate between you and Brother S, but I foresee you losing that one.

I'll add that if boss storm flips scum, I'd actually consider Vulkan less scummy.

Ok, so I am confused now.

Rabtorian flips scum after Thor's town read, but to be fair I figured he was town too by the end. Then we lose ferrett to a first night kill, but by luck Drk_O is skewered first. Funnily enough this actually confirms the theory of yesterday that the scum players came onto the thread first because they received a PM. Something to note for people who run these games, only PMing the bad guys can lead to trouble.

But it worked out well for us, so I guess we just need to find the last one or two squigs.

I never answered Thor yesterday on his question of why I thought he was most scum-like, but when I reread through day 1 I realised it was pretty much all based on the aggressive town read of Rabtorian and then his use of 'naaah' repeatedly that just got on my nerves, which is a terrible reason to vote someone. I think Thor is probably town, despite unvoting Rabtorian, he seems much more relaxed than I've seen him before.

@RiTides - you need to get over last game. You were fooled by Thor, but in that game he was driving everything, he isn't driving here, he's sitting back and taking part. This isn't last game, spread your wings and look around. Use your mind!

@Thor - I've never seen a scum be almost completely silent, and boss storm falls into that category. Surely he's just a townie who is new and bored by the prospect of having nothing special to do?

For now I shall wait and see what everyone else's reaction is to the deaths. If we're lucky the last one/two are inexperienced and will say something useful.

I know I am not posting nearly enough right now, I don't get as much time on the internet as I'd like, my job is very full on and I tend to be busy a lot of nights, so I will post when I can and will keep up with the thread.

Ok, I looked back at our squigs actions

Drk voted krell for no reason (I think to throw us off right off the bat)
Rab voted Thor
Rab voted Krell (follows along with the current Drk Vote)
Krell votes Rab (kinda bandwagons a bit)
Drk votes Thor
Rab unvotes, then votes Krell again
Rab then follows Drks vote with a vote against Thor before he gets lynched

I kinda see a pattern of Rab and dark following each others votes, but throwing Krell in there in between. I could be completely wrong, but I am sticking with my gut

Vote : Krellnus

Hmm, I actually think we should go for RiTides. I mean he could be the last Squig left, or maybe he is the Vig Gretchin, but the amount of flak he is throwing up about Thor in the last game is a little suspicious to me. Yes, Thor was the villain last time, yes he did kill me day one. I how ever don't think he is the Squig this time, of course if RiTides rolled pro-town then I'd give Thor a closer look.


Vote:RiTides

Looking back I've seen RiTides has been set 100% on lynching Thor
At the moment I find that suspicious but not enough for a vote at the moment.

What's a Vig? I think some of your shortened terms are confusing others, they're definitely confusing me...

I too am feeling off about RiTides and I think he is likely to be scum
vote: RiTides

Personally, I'm not getting a scummy vibe from RiTides. I'm going to wait and see.

BishopGore wrote:What's a Vig? I think some of your shortened terms are confusing others, they're definitely confusing me...

I was using the it for vigilante, assuming thats what Thor meant by V. Alternatively I was thinking it would be like the Night Lords Aspirant.

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Krellnus)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri would currently be lynched.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri

Is vigilante the random element that wins automatically if all scum die before he is discovered? Or am I thinking of another game...

vigilante are just like the standard ones I brelive

... Eh? They're just like the standard ones of what?

Ah never mind, if we're looking for scum, let's look and not be sidetracked. We have at least one powered character out there, a role able to night kill. Whether he is on the good side or his own side remains to be seen. We also have one or more squigs which definitely need to die, because they can nom through us all one by one.

I don't agree with Thor, nor do I agree with RiTides. I think RiTides is still twitchy from dying last game rather than scum. I think Thor is being fairly town.

Vulkan is a bit lurky, Mordo is a bit more involved. No clue about JBurch or Krellnus as I have nothing to go from.

Vote: BrotherStynier

He is leading a lynch on someone who is twitchy and an easy target. That kind of thinking worries me, especially since it also convinced Krellnus to follow. A charismatic squig is a fearsome prospect.

So you think I am guilty for doing something that someone would have done for another person anyway? Or are you maybe you know something I don't about RiTides?

Also I believe you are forgetting that I had voted for Rabitorian the last round and didn't unvote to prevent his lynching. His lynching would have been something I would have tried to avoid, and a little in site, where I the Squig, I would have steered the group towards Thor.

I'm confused, although apparently no one else is... a scum died during the night, right? How is that possible? Does this mean that they cannot communicate with one another and are also having to "guess" who is town and who is scum?

I see your arguments about me, and they make sense. However, I can tell you that if I was a squig I would have killed Thor early, being the biggest threat (so clearly demonstrated last game which, as a very reasonable request, I will stop being hung up about ) unless I wanted to lead people in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't say my flipping town should necessarily point to Thor- it could just as easily point to someone trying to frame Thor.

Could I get some town opinions one how many scum there are? It must be at least 3, since we're still playing... if it's 4 then there'd still be 2 left, but that's an awful lot of scum.

Given that 2 people died in the night, I think there were 3 scum to start.

1. We lynched Rab during the day
2. Both scum make blind kills during the night (not being allowed to communicate). One accidentally kills the other scum!
3. There's one scum left

Does this sound right? If so, even if I die I think we're going to win... but then again we still have to find the last scum...

Let me know if I can address any concerns that I may have overlooked. I know one of my main suspicions has been when people don't adequately answer their accusers, and yes my little vendetta against Thor has been a holdover... but also one of practicality, given that I figured he was the most dangerous either way. However, I'm willing to consider other options, and looking at people who posted early in the thread (of which I'll note that I am not one) is probably a good place to start.

Thoughts?

Maybe I am mistaken,...but isnt there a role of like a sheriff or something..who can kill scum during the night? Maybe not...but I was thinking that there was something along those lines.

That would make sense..seeing as how our gretchin friend was mangled all to hell..and the scum that was killed was perhaps shot (judging by the description)

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 1 - (Ri)
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Krellnus)
BrotherStynier - 1 - (Bishop)
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri would currently be lynched.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri
Bishop vote BrotherStynier

Hullo all - I'm back. I'm going to hit up the basic conversation points I see at the moment. I'll be back tomorrow sometime with more actual scumhunting thoughts (I'm too sleep deprived right now to really want to mess with that). I do encourage more people to respond to my big post opening the day - there's some solid and strong opinions being made there and I'd love to see more people go "aye, t'was brilliant" or "naaaah" one way or the other.

Vig/Gretchin Vig/Vigilante/whatever the hell it may be called - a Vig is a pro town role that has a power to kill a chosen target at night. He wins with the town. It is a somewhat new role on this site, but is certainly a possibility in the setup n0t_u is using.

Night Lord's Aspirant/ Serial Killer/ et al - is an anti-town role that has the ability to kill at night. He does not win with the town or the scum, but wins when he is the last player alive or when nothing can prevent that happening.

Scum do not have multiple kills, and scum did not kill Drk_O - Drk_O was killed by a Vig or a SK. At the moment, considering what I know and how Day 1 played out, I'm strongly leaning Vig. But we'll have to wait and see.

Scum did NOT kill Drk_O - 100% guarantee on that one.

To whoever asked me about "quiet players" (Stynier?) I direct you to my large post I asked for opinions on. That's where I explained the logic of my vote already, maybe you should attack it a touch if you disagree with my conclusions.

@jburch - I stand by my Krellnus=town read.Could you address it and perhaps explain why you think scumRab was working so hard to get scumbuddy Krell lynched Day 1? I don't like that vote.

The BrotherStynier wagon isn't bad, but I don't think the timing is right for that one.

The RiTides wagon feels bad. I don't foresee scum being as headbangingly simple as he was Day 1. I'll reassess - but as I recall the wagon on Thor yesterday was something like - Rab, RiTides, Drk_O at one point - do we really think 3 scum all at once were voting for townThor on Day 1? Really?

Naaaaah.

Let's ixnay that wagon or prove me wrong, methinks it's bad.

I think that Scumrab was using Krell on day 1 as a diversion. He would vote krell, but then at the end he would change votes and follow suite with ScumDrk. As I was looking at the votes of both scum on day 1, Krells name kept coming up...so thats where my vote is going.

I really dont have anything else to go on, so I am following my gut. So far some off the wall thinking has turned out to be right thus far (read : scum posting on thread shortly after thread has been created)

I am always open to being convinced that my vote would be better well spent on someone else however.

Ima going to agree with Thorr, it makes sense, and I'm going to discount the blind scum theory. I think it's safe to assume that the squigs know who each other are, and Dark_O must have been killed by the Vigilante.

@Jburch - so basically you think the flow of yesterday went like this.

Drk_O (scum) - lol, RVS! Vote Krellnus (scum)
Rab - lol vote: no lynch
Town: Hey, Rab, you are really scummy, shape up or die! (many Rab votes)
Rab - Holy Hannah, they are onto me - Vote: Krellnus (scum)

Mmmmm, maaaaaybe. But, he's going to double up with one of his scumbuddies in voting another scumbuddy? I sorta think Rab was feeling lost and helpless and was sheeping Drk_O out of desperation for another wagon. My gut says Krellnus town - we might want to have this conversation again later after we've narrowed the suspect pool, but I would not expect two scum to be bussing a third right out of the gate like that.

How do you feel about Lurky McLurkson (aka - the dude I'm voting for)

Methinks it's time to poke ol' Lurky and maybe bring in a new face depending on how it goes.

Looking at his posts he has not been on Dakka since his last post stating his confusion here.

It seems to me that if Boss was scum, then he would be showing up to check on the thread. Now, he may very well be checking on the thread, and not posting anywhere else on Dakka to hide himself for this particular game, but I doubt anyone would really do that. Plus the fact that not_u is telling us now that since he hasnt been around he is considering replacing him, tells me that maybe Boss isnt lurking, but instead lost interest, or is busy with real life at the moment. Not_u wouldnt be saying that he might be replaced, if Boss was scum, and was participating like a good little squig at nighttime.

I wouldnt think that the GM of the game would be posting to sway us in a certain direction, so my feeling is that Boss is just missing...not lurking. Having said that, it is possible that he very well could still be scum, but I am not getting that vibe at this time. The Vibe I get from Boss is that he signed up for the game, didnt know what was going on, and we wont see him back on Dakka (he only had 16 posts)

So does anyone have strong suspicions about someone... other than me? There's that whole "if the game ended now, I'd be lynched" thing...

That said, my vote's still on Thor, and honestly I wouldn't totally mind being rid of him as a safety precaution, but I can wait until later on in the game (if I'm still here, of course).

I hate to have my mind changed as last game some scum talked me into things... but when you're wrong, you're wrong.

Unvote: Thor (To be picked up again in a few game-days' time if Thor is still alive and kicking in the final 4 or 5, as he said- scum shouldn't be letting him last that long)

Vote:..........? (That's not an actual vote- not bolded)

Glad Thor is back. I was the one who questioned about the most uninvolved person being scum, but I guess you have thought of that.

Unvote: RiTides
After thinking about it I am more inclined to go
vote: BrotherStynier
Thor, you make a compelling case

Krellnus wrote:Unvote: RiTides
After thinking about it I am more inclined to go
vote: BrotherStynier
Thor, you make a compelling case

I think you are completely missing his case, if you'd notice he says he doesn't think killing me off during the course of the game is wrong, its that he thinks its wrong to do it right at this moment. So frankly you are ignoring his case, his case is that Boss, the lurker is the current threat and someone who should be removed.

Thor665 wrote:
@jburch - I stand by my Krellnus=town read.Could you address it and perhaps explain why you think scumRab was working so hard to get scumbuddy Krell lynched Day 1? I don't like that vote.

The BrotherStynier wagon isn't bad, but I don't think the timing is right for that one.

The RiTides wagon feels bad. I don't foresee scum being as headbangingly simple as he was Day 1. I'll reassess - but as I recall the wagon on Thor yesterday was something like - Rab, RiTides, Drk_O at one point - do we really think 3 scum all at once were voting for townThor on Day 1? Really?

Naaaaah.

Let's ixnay that wagon or prove me wrong, methinks it's bad.

Well frankly you said that you had a very strong Rabtorian= Pro-town vibe on the first day, and well we all see how that rolled, so perhaps you are a little off this game? Or maybe you are scum, maybe that was an effort to try and keep yourself as having a fully stocked team of badguys. Though that would go against your saying you'd throw fellow anti-town member under the bus if it would help keep people off your back, at least I seem to recall you saying that.

Honestly though if you were scum, and I'm not completely sold on the fact you could be, I don't see why you would be opposed to the killing of an "innocent" Ri. After all I'm sure a player with your talent could easily persuade the others that I am could be the squig, and manage to make it look like you are innocent when I flip as a town member after the lynch.

So what make you think that the Ri votes equal bad huh? Surely there is something? I don't know that he is guilty, nor do I know for certain he is innocent. What I do know is, that is hard to find the last villain, with out killing a few townies or by being an inquisitor.

You're counting on this aren't you? Me making myself look some what scummy, like always. It can help you with your case against me later or it could convince people that I am the villain now. Those who have played with me before how ever maybe aware that I do this most of the time anyway, more so when innocent.

Stynier...

I'm actually not even sure what it is you're asking and/or accusing me of. I'll try to walk through it.

You point out how I called Rab town, yeah, i admit this, but you then suggest somehow maybe I'm still scum/incorrect town for than trying to run up Drk_O who was also scum? Eh...I don't get it, nor do I think it makes my scumhunting skills look weak.

You then ask why I don't like the Ritides wagon...while quoting me explaining why I don't like the RiTides wagon...um... Maybe if you ask a question about my logic I could explain it? I really don't get the confusion here.

You then end up with a mumbling diatrabe about how you look scummy and I knew you would and it's all part of my plot to lynch you...while admitting at the front end of your post that I said I didn't want to lynch you right now and am instead voting for Boss.

So...
Bwuh?

So with 2 days left, BroStyr currently has the most votes... I'm not sure I'm OK with this.

Given me indecision, I'm going to throw a wrench in the works and bring us back to a tie... by voting for myself

Vote: RiTdes

Take that, logic!

I'm now okay with an RiTides lynch.

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm - 1 - (Thor)
Thor656 - 0 -
RiTides - 2 - (BrotherStynier, Ri)
BrotherStynier - 2 - (Bishop, Krellnus)
Krellnus - 1 - (Jburch)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

With 9 left alive a majority of 5 votes is required for a lynch. This phase will end on the 19th, timer provided here.
If time were to run out Ri or Stynier would currently be lynched, probably have to flip a coin or something.

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri
Bishop vote BrotherStynier
Ri unvote Thor
Krellnus unvote Ri
Krellnus vote Stynier
Ri vote Ri

Since I have heard nothing from Boss Storm he shall be replaced by one of the backups now.

Thor665 wrote:Stynier...

I'm actually not even sure what it is you're asking and/or accusing me of. I'll try to walk through it.

You point out how I called Rab town, yeah, i admit this, but you then suggest somehow maybe I'm still scum/incorrect town for than trying to run up Drk_O who was also scum? Eh...I don't get it, nor do I think it makes my scumhunting skills look weak.

You then ask why I don't like the Ritides wagon...while quoting me explaining why I don't like the RiTides wagon...um... Maybe if you ask a question about my logic I could explain it? I really don't get the confusion here.

You then end up with a mumbling diatrabe about how you look scummy and I knew you would and it's all part of my plot to lynch you...while admitting at the front end of your post that I said I didn't want to lynch you right now and am instead voting for Boss.

So...
Bwuh?

Game after game I get to see people say nothing with lots of words, I wanted to try it.

To be fair I was pointing out how I look scummy, like I generally do and you could count on it incase you were the villain and needed me out of the way. Too be fair I think I may of thrown myself for a loop. But honestly killing Ri doesn't seem like its something that shouldn't be done(much like your belief that I should be killed sometime this game), though perhaps not today. Thinking about it Krellnus did flop rather easily, though that alone doesn't make him a guilty party.

Im going to Unvote: Ritides his willingness to pop himself into the chance of being killed has thrown me off his case momentarily and he did unvote Thor. However I'm not certain whom I wish to vote for now, jumping to remove Boss while he isn't active and a replacement is on the way doesn't sit well with me and Im not sold on a retaliation vote on Krellnus. Yet I need it to be either one of them to make it a 50% percent chance I get lynched rather than a 100% lynch. Two days can be an awfully short time.

Vote: Krellnus Sorry, but atleast you're being active and could attempt to convince me other wise.

Boss Storm has now been replaced by prototype_X.

Unvote: BrotherStynier

The large amounts of rambling above are weird and not particularly cognisant, the switch of vote onto someone else who already had a vote on him looks odd (making sure he is not the only person on two votes), but a scum working alone (since it seems everyone thinks scum of 3 maximum seems most likely) wouldn't be doing silly things like that on Day 2.

Vote: RiTides

Voting for yourself on Day 2? Seems very anti town, it's like giving up on scum hunting and saying you're bored of the game. That or it's a way of making sure he can unvote himself at the last minute to save himself from a potential lynch...

Vote: Krellus

He was very quick to follow something that never properly was said
If he flips Scum then thor goes up in my scum scale

I really don't like the Krellnus wagon, I'm pretty sure he's town.

So then Thor, would you have us kill Prototype-X, on your belief? Sure his predecessor was quiet and lurky, and he seems to be following suit or is unaware he is now in the game.

I would rather quite a few people die prior to Krellnus.
The way no one is hopping on this lurker lynch actually is strengthening my resolve towards it.

But, yes, let's play this.

Unvote: Prototype-X
Vote: RiTides

Now he is the lynch - react to that everyone.

why should I folllow you thor for all I know you are scum with no resoning for any of this

How about you explain how Krellnus is scum than.

Thor665 wrote:I'm now okay with an RiTides lynch.

I thought that would win you over

But wait! Haha, my clever trap springs!

Unvote: RiTides
Vote: Krellnus

Was it really that clever? Honestly, Thor, I don't quite get your logic on this (not that you necessarily elaborated on it)

Anyway... voted for myself because I don't feel the BroStyr = scum. Krellnus I could see more, and I don't have other strong suspicions, other than being willing to vote Thor if others choose to.

So for now I'm on Krellnus, as I thought he was a bit quick to vote as well, but that's all I have to go on. More than likely the true scum is one of the more vocal of us masquerading as town (a la last game) rather than someone making themselves look super suspicious (which I would lump myself into as well) which Krellnus skirted the line of doing.

Oh, and I left out the most obvious reason- I would like to live to see another day, and since I'm OK with a Krellnus lynch (but not a BroStyr lynch, at least currently) the vote makes sense. But you guys could probably have inferred that one

In retrospect, I believe not voting (which makes me look even more scummy, yes?) brings us back into a tie, rather than a Krellnus lynch, so I will put us there for now.

Unvote: Krellnus

And just to top it off...

Vote: No Lynch

(!!!)

@Everyone who wants to lynch Krellnus.

Your "logic" is that the scum team voted him to distance from their buddy or something?

Yeah...right...neither Rab nor Drk voted for each other, but both voted for Krellnus and Thor. So, I have to be at *least* as scummy as Krellnus by the logic of your voting, right?

Or...wait for it...both of us are town and the two scum were trying to get us dead. Just, y'know, a totally random thought.

I just have a strong gut feeling..considering his name came up an awful between the two scum..but in the end they voted for someone completely different.

@ thor : on day 1 you got such a strong "read" that Rab was town, and how did that turn out. You also said on day 1 that if Rab was town, then you thought krell was most likely town as well. So I get the impression that you think the 2 are slightly linked somehow...well Rab turned out to be scum..

I get more of a scum feeling from Krell than anyone else at this point in time. He is who I have chosen...let the pieces fall where they may

No thor I vote Krellnus because as soon as you said something about broStyr he jumped at him

I can kind of understand a Krellnus lynch. In four weeks he has posted 3 times, and on each occasion he has voted. It would seem that he only pops his head out to try to kill someone else, then he's gone. It makes the scum smell kind of strong, but he hasn't bandwagoned or done anything that has driven the game forward, so it might just be in response to poking from n0t_u that he is appearing and voting.

I'm now torn between RiTides and Krellnus...

Well since you mention it Thor I suppose some of your logic on Krell is sound, still though he jumped on me awful quickly claiming to see it as your logic for the day and you haven't rebuked him for it.

So what is the deal with that there? Just gonna sit back and if I go down before you want me too you shrug it off and go "Oh well?"

I think he should be removed for being easily swayed even if he's not the Squig. Heck if he was the Squig he could be doing this to get on your good side, or blame you when I roll pro-town after a lynch.

BrotherStynier wrote:Well since you mention it Thor I suppose some of your logic on Krell is sound, still though he jumped on me awful quickly claiming to see it as your logic for the day and you haven't rebuked him for it.

So what is the deal with that there? Just gonna sit back and if I go down before you want me too you shrug it off and go "Oh well?"

I think he should be removed for being easily swayed even if he's not the Squig. Heck if he was the Squig he could be doing this to get on your good side, or blame you when I roll pro-town after a lynch.

1. I'm actually pretty sure I did say (oh, a few times) that I didn't want you lynched and wanted Boss lynched.

2. ...the fug? I'm even voting RiTides as a counter wagon to you. I'm sorry I'm not blatantly and constantly defending you, but where the hell do you get off with all this persecution complex? I'm not attacking you - if I was I suspect you'd already be lynched. Why are you trying to make me doubt my reads so badly? Would you like me to attack you?

3. Naaaah, if I suspect he's a gretchin and I think we can find a squig, let's go for the win and not sweat the killing of a mook. Even you're not really calling him a squig here.

Thor665 wrote:
1. I'm actually pretty sure I did say (oh, a few times) that I didn't want you lynched and wanted Boss lynched.

You know what, okay, today we can remove Boss/his replacement. I will go with you on this today, besides its not like the replacement is being very active is he?

2. ...the fug? I'm even voting RiTides as a counter wagon to you. I'm sorry I'm not blatantly and constantly defending you, but where the hell do you get off with all this persecution complex? I'm not attacking you - if I was I suspect you'd already be lynched. Why are you trying to make me doubt my reads so badly? Would you like me to attack you?

I am merely pointing out that there are others you will readily and repeatedly defend with some degree of fervor, though it seems you have turned on one. Also you have in the past used other people to git rid of people. I'm not upset that you aren't defending me tooth and nail, I just know that with you sometimes you try to get us to pay attention to whats going on in one hand, so that something else can be accomplished.

3. Naaaah, if I suspect he's a gretchin and I think we can find a squig, let's go for the win and not sweat the killing of a mook. Even you're not really calling him a squig here.

No I am not really calling him a squig, I think I have said that. To be honest I don't have a one hundred percent read on anyone being a squig, but I am willing to lose people to win.

Unvote: Krellnus

Voterototype-X

Maybe you will be on to get this accomplished before time runs out, after all I'm going for what you want. If he rolls anti-town a million apologies, if he rolls town, well we need to look at this from a different angle.

Unvote: RiTides
Vote: prototype-X

Obviously I mean Vote: Prototype-X

why doth thou vote for me?

Because you're a squig.

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Mordoskul - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
boss storm X - 2 - (Stynier, Thor)
Thor656 - 0 -
RiTides - 1 - (Bishop)
BrotherStynier - 1 - (Krellnus)
Krellnus - 2 - (Jburch, Vulkan)
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 1 - (Ri)

Vote Log
Ri vote Thor
Thor vote Boss Storm
Jburch vote Krellnus
BrotherStynier vote Ri
Krellnus vote Ri
Bishop vote BrotherStynier
Ri unvote Thor
Krellnus unvote Ri
Krellnus vote Stynier
Ri vote Ri
Stynier unvote Ri
Stynier vote Krellnus
Bishop unvote Stynier
Bishop vote Ri
Vulkan vote Krellnus
Thor unvote boss storm X
Thor vote Ri
Ri unvote Ri
Ri vote Krellnus
Ri unvote Krellnus
Ri vote No lynch (stop Drk_Oing )
Stynier unvote Krellnus
Stynier vote boss storm X
Thor unvote Ri
Thor vote boss storm X

Leaving a tie between Krellnus and X now to randomly select who the unfortunate is and post up the story post.

The randomisation has determined the lynched player is X.

The Gretchin continued their panicked arguement in light of the earlier discovery. A stalemate was reached and seemed like it wouldn't budge so a solution was reached. The three would stand in a line and each Gretchin would pick up a rock and throw it behind them, the winner of the tie would be the Gretchin hit by the most rocks. A very bloody X was unfortunately the winner of the competition, he was dragged around the shack, unfortunately the Gretchin had still to figure out how to properly execute their choice. They eventually resorted to the rocks, taking turns to see who could break him the most.

A bloody corpse was laying on the ground, it's head and limbs broken, bruised and covered in blood. Though it was clear; X was a Gretchin.

Night Phase Two Start
This phase will last 48 hours and end on the 21st, as shown in this timer.

Any with abilities to use during the Night Phase should do so as instructed.

You've got me voting for 2 people... hope you didn't randomise between three people there, you might have skewed the results and killed the wrong person...

Yeh, I'll redo it then see how it goes. Thought I'd screw it up somewhere.

Means Stynier would be out of the tie, so I'll redo the randomisation, edit the story post and deny this ever happened.

am i dead?

Its still talking! *smashes X in the head with another rock

Yeah, looks like your dead..thanks for playing :(

@Mod - request prod on Mod.

You all sleep in a little later than yesterday ( ), though the scene you awake to is very much the same as before. On one side of the room lays the corpse of Mordoskul, like the Squig there's a hole in his head. On the other side of the shack is the corpse of the seemingly last esentric Gretchin amongst you, RiTides, though this corpse is ripped apart. The explosions outside the shack continue to rock it, suspicion is rising amongst all of you almost to the point of paranoia. The battle will not miss the small shack forever.

Mordoskul and Ri were Gretchin

Vote Update
BishopGore - 0 -
Jburch - 0 -
Thor656 - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

Day Phase Three Start
This day phase will end on the 29th as shown in this timer.
With 6 alive, 4 are required for the lynch.

Sorry it's a little late, got a new pc had to set it up and was out yesterday.

Has it all been for nothing? I know who the final squig is...he...he...

*Gurgle*

so much *cough* blood... gore

Vote: thor
reasoning he was trying to lynch ritides yesterday
and was trying to control people to much yesterday

How is trying to lynch RiTides a scum action, exactly?

Vote : Thor

Tried to protect the squigs day 1
Tried to lead a lynch on a Town Day 2...and then the town he was trying to lynch shows up dead on night 2.
I think its time to see what Thor's guts look like

Also, food for thought, I'm pretty sure this and this are the only games on site where I was town.
I tried to control the vote both times.

I am honestly getting a little tired of the ol' scum call on Thor of 'he's trying to control the vote, waaah, waaah' here's a quick breakdown.

If I'm scum I want to control the vote so town gets lynched and not scum.

If I'm town I want to control the vote so that the person I believe is most likely scum gets lynched.

It's good for both sides of the coin.

I have to agree, especially as Thor wasn't really interested in a RiTides kill yesterday, he voted for him only when it seemed that prototype-X wouldn't be killed. Unluckily he was wrong, but he is weeding out the weak links in the chain.

We need to work out why Mordo was killed, was he a threat to an assassin character, or did he seem most scum-like to a vigilante character?

Why was RiTides killed? He was calling over and over for a Thor lynch, but nobody listened to him until he was killed, so maybe he was killed to point the finger of suspicion at Thor (though if this was the plan it was rather clumsy). Or did the scum think RiTides might have had a special ability?

When we know the answer to those 2 questions we'll find the scum and win this game.

I would tend to suspect a Mordo kill due to his sidelining yesterday. He really looked like he was avoiding making much of a call yesterday which can be really rough on VCA and play analysis. Considering, in my opinion, both of the shot attacks were on scummy/lurky players I think whoever is shooting is aiding our purposes at the moment.

I suspect RiTides is dead because he was shouting about me. Either I'm scum and was fearful of how mighty his wagon generating powers on me where (doubtful - he never managed any) or he was killed in order to add to general paranoia about 'oh, look, here's Thor and his biggest detractor is dead - lynch him town, please lynch him.'

Of course I always think it's all about me
But, though I won't suggest any targets, if scum were trying to find a PR than they picked very poorly in killing a player who was willing to self-vote.

I have to agree that it seems Ri was killed in order to try and get us to look more at Thor. Of course there's always the chance Thor did it to throw us off, cause you know everything is about him after all

The Mordo kill that was unexpected, but I agree with Thor's assessment in that it was most likely due to sidelining/lurking. Honestly I thought there was a good chance I'd come away with a hole in the head, but it would seem like the shooter has a pattern developing.

Right now I'm looking at, well everyone.

Vulkan did seem a little quick to jump at Thor, I can see his being worried about Thor controlling, but he always does that and I was the one pushing for a Ri lynch for a while yesterday.

Krell well, like Bishop pointed out yesterday, he hasn't posted much in the thread and usually only votes mainly I'd like to get rid of him for that. Though thinking about it that would be more a waste, and the squig could use that time to strike other targets. Also his vote for me yesterday was a little suspicious.

Jburch jumped rather quickly at Thor coming into the new day, joining Vulkan and putting Thor with two votes to his name. Through out the game he's posted enough to make it so he's not just popping in to vote, and he doesn't post enough to doing most of the talking. Could be a good place for the Squig, or even the Vig to be.

BishopGore, most of my looking at you is pretty much do to you being one of the talkative three (Bishop, Thor, Me). From experience in previous games, being one of the more talkative persons has been a scum strategy and one that works rather well.

Thor, well Thor most of what makes you suspicious has already be stated by others so no need to beat that dead horse. Still though I'm watching you.

Finally there's me, I do know that some of my actions could be seen as suspicious, and I'm certain more than one of you may think so. I've talked literally just to hear myself talk, alot of it was round about and didn't say much or was back and forth banter with Thor that had little purpose. Also I did decide to abandon my vote for Krell in favor a vote for Prototype, something Thor was pushing for it was a moment of compromise that ended with an innocents death. And you know what, I don't really care that it did. Sure losing townies is bad, but if they die narrowing the suspect list and if that helps the town win its a good thing.

Which brings me back to Thor, you have called it wrong twice, but its not you I'm going to vote for, at least not yet. Instead I'm going with;

Vote:Jburch

I just call it like I see it. I suppose the whole point of the game is that noone can ever be sure that someone is scum or town, so you can either try and lynch someone based on past events in the game, or you can think that everything is some elaborate plot being put together by scum.

I can try and defend myself, but in the end any defense can be met with "he is a squig trying to pin it on (insert name here), he is trying to play us lie a fool!"

All I can say however is that BrotherStynier, you are wrong, I am town, and lynching me will not put the town closer to its goals.....unless you are scum...in which case it will put you closer to YOUR goals.

BrotherStynier wrote:Which brings me back to Thor, you have called it wrong twice

And correct once. If Rab counts against me than Drk_O counts for me. That puts me in as good a standing as anyone else in this game.

Vote: Bishop Gore

He's the only currently alive player who was trying to keep the Thor wagon alive when the Thor wagon was competing with the Rab wagon. I'm guessing at least one scumbuddy was trying to help save Rab's backside.

I'm surprised noone has pointed that out until now actually Thor. Yeah, it was definitely not my finest moment of this game, so early on, but since then I have been much more careful. I have voted slowly and deliberately and haven't vote hopped like so many others. I know I haven't been massively helpful so far this game, but I will keep trying. If people still think I'm useless by the end of the day I hope voting me at least moves us towards winning the game.

BrotherStynier, I am worried if I am one of the more talkative ones, remember previous games when you were away twelve hours and the pages had increased by two? Glad those games are behind us! But I have been missing for periods of days at a time and haven't really been paying attention like I used to.

Not really got any reads on anyone at the moment, really need to sit down and root through the thread. Will do soon.

Thor665 wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:Which brings me back to Thor, you have called it wrong twice

And correct once. If Rab counts against me than Drk_O counts for me. That puts me in as good a standing as anyone else in this game.

That is true, because technically so far I've be wrong twice as well. With Ri, and Prototype.

BishopGore wrote:

BrotherStynier, I am worried if I am one of the more talkative ones, remember previous games when you were away twelve hours and the pages had increased by two? Glad those games are behind us! But I have been missing for periods of days at a time and haven't really been paying attention like I used to.

Ah the old days, back when I had work and was always the Inquisitor, you know despite your missing times, you've still posted more than most.

Jburch, I just have this feeling and right now I wanna roll with it you aren't in too much danger, yet.

(OOC: Oh, bugger, I'm dead...)

@Mod - can we get a prod on Krellnus, please?

Prod sent.

Vote Update
BishopGore - 1 - (Thor)
Jburch - 1 - (Stynier)
Thor656 - 2 - (Vulkan, Jburch)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

Day Phase Three Start
This day phase will end on the 29th as shown in this timer.
With 6 alive, 4 are required for the lynch. Currently if time were to run out Thor would be lynched.

Vote Log
Vulkan vote Thor
Jburch vote Thor
Stynier vote Jburch
Thor vote Bishop

Ahhh sorry guys, was sidetracked by an unexpected amount of school work I just got dumped with, looking at the way Thor has been trying to control the votes and his votes have had no particluar preference for either scum or town, I think he may be the vig, but I have no inkling on who the scum is.
Until than, I think I will have to vote for a no-lynch.
vote: No lynch

Thor said on Day 2 that the Krellnus being scum idea didn't make sense, but in light of the connection between both of the confirmed scum and the bandwagon he attempted on Day 2 of RiTides (who we now know was town) I think it should be revisited.

He pops up infrequently just to vote and has now voted no lynch, possibly because he thinks it will make him less of a target.

Vote: Krellnus

@everyone - for the record the only reason I pop up 'just to vote' is because I have nothing of consequence to add (though it may also just be to spread chaos and confusion in the air).
If you want me pop my head in more often, than I will do so tomorrow as I am pretty tired atm, however I still stand by my decision that not lynching is the safest bet for us atm.

Why is it the safest bet?

We also appear to be lurking towards a lynch of me - since I'm doing 50% of the talking this annoys me greatly. Lynch someone having less fun from the game - like BishopGore.

Thor665 wrote:Why is it the safest bet?

Because I feel that now is the pivotal time of the game and that one wrong gamble will screw us over, I am currently of the belief that if someone is lynched and they flip town, the town will be left to just be picked off. Whereas if they flip scum, the others may feel cornered (unless there is one scum left in which my case just gets blown out of the water by my fail memory and I need to have a long hard think)

That hardly seems fair Thor... I might not be here as much as I might like, but I am still enjoying the game. I don't think anyone left alive could be classed as not enjoying the game, now Krellnus is making more of an effort to talk.

@Krellnus - I like your vibe, except we only have one scum left, which means we have two lynches to track him down in.

@Bishop Gore - if you're having fun how come you haven't figured out where to vote yet?

Also, with a little less than two days left - I'll claim my role towards the end of today if no votes change the current lynch situation.

I'd rather see a few more people actually vote and make a move though.

I am voting. For Krellnus.

Fair enough - I was looking at the last vote count. That said a Krellnus vote still leaves us in these pathetic doldrums we're in.

@Stynier - You seem to have a townish read on me and sorta attacked Jburch after he went pants on head towards me. I'm leaning Jburch as town at the moment, how do you feel about a BishopG lynch? If you vote that way there's at least a 50/50 I don't die and we can deal with Jburch later, I promise.

I'm going on holiday for a week till Saturday morning
I think I will be back half way through the next day so maybe I could stay in as I can't do much at night and I'm not changing my vote
but if you replace me I don't mind

Thor665 wrote:@Krellnus - I like your vibe, except we only have one scum left, which means we have two lynches to track him down in.

@Bishop Gore - if you're having fun how come you haven't figured out where to vote yet?

Sigh....
Just my luck :(

Okay - this is clearly going nowhere fast, which is probably how scum want it.

Claim - I'm an Ammo Grot.

Please move your votes somewhere useful and stop derpy-doing my lynch.

Meh, to clarify - I'm the Vig

I killed Drk_O and Mordoskull. Tonight I can kill someone else. (and it will ruddy well by Bishop Gore if I can't get people to lynch him normal for me).

You guys...

This will be view 1872. So now I can track how many people have seen my claim and not had the grapefruits to even comment.

Eh... what the hell. I'll side with Thor for now even though this all seems kinda shady.

Unvote:Jburch

Vote:BishopGore

Guess I'll follow suit with this bandwagon
Unvote: No lynch
Vote: BishopGore

Well you've signed your death sentence Thor, if you actually do have a role and aren't just desperately trying to hang on to your life.

At this point we either have

A) Thor is scum, he is banking that RiTides was actually the Vigilante and that nobody can counter claim to expose him
B) Thor is actually the Vigilante, in which case either I die today or I die tonight and he is killed in return by the squig
C) Thor is a regular grot and is claiming to be the Vigilante just to save himself.

C is highly unlikely, Thor plays town for the group to win, not just to keep himself alive. If it's A then town is utterly dead, because I've seen how Thor operates. If it's B then the town loses it's most useful proponent.

I'm a regular, boring grot. I have no real use except my ability to vote, and I admit I haven't done well with it so far, but who else here has? Listen to Thor if you must, but after I die you're going to have a real tough time if Thor is scum and if he's the vigilante, he's dead anyway.

Not buying all this for a second. My vote stays. I think you guys are being bamboozled

Also just want to point out Bishop, that you are dead today unless you change your vote, then you have a 50 / 50 chance.

BrotherStynier wrote:Eh... what the hell. I'll side with Thor for now even though this all seems kinda shady.

Wow - let me spell out the shadiness;

1. There is at least one role out there that can kill that is not the squigs.
2. We know this because it killed a squig.
3. If I am not this role, than that role is going to probably kill me - because it knows I'm lying.
4. If I am that role, than I'm clearly helping town.

@Bishop Gore - yes, if you are not a squig it would not surprise me if the Squigs try to kill me. I help town by forcing the Squigs to try and kill me rather than letting town waste a lynch on a pro-town player.

Jburch calling me a flat out liar looks like a town tell for Jburch. Not a brilliance tell, but hey, you can't have everything.

I'll be happy to hear any requests/thoughts for who I shoot tonight. I don't actually promise to listen to everybody, but I'd love to see people's thoughts about who I should shoot. I'm currently planning on Vulkan methinks.

Just a slight change to point Number 1: We know there WAS a player that could kill squigs last night. We do not know that he is still alive. If RiTides was the Vigilante then nobody can kill you.

And I think Krellnus should be a candidate for you to kill (if you are town), he has readily joined the bandwagon on me with no evidence or having stated why he thinks I ought to die. I see him as either a squig or a bad-for-town townie.

If RiTides was the Vig, when he died we would have found that out, like we do for everyone else with a role.

I do think that we have a faily decent chance of pulling this off should Thor be the real deal, which I think there is a good chance of considering the out comes. Any notion I may have had towards Thor being the villain is gone for the day.

BishopGore wrote:Just a slight change to point Number 1: We know there WAS a player that could kill squigs last night. We do not know that he is still alive. If RiTides was the Vigilante then nobody can kill you.

If there is lack of a shot kill than we can discuss this. The sheer fact that I'm willing to claim that there will be a shot kill because I'm killing someone is pretty ballsy if I can't generate said kill, isn't it?

BishopGore wrote:And I think Krellnus should be a candidate for you to kill (if you are town), he has readily joined the bandwagon on me with no evidence or having stated why he thinks I ought to die. I see him as either a squig or a bad-for-town townie.

I might reassess if you flip town, but I still have a strong town read on him. Don't mistake suboptimal play for scum play.

BrotherStynier wrote:If RiTides was the Vig, when he died we would have found that out, like we do for everyone else with a role.

Not quite;

n0t_u wrote:As is the fun of this system the role of a player will not and cannot be revealed until after the game is completed so as to prevent metagaming, so you'll only know if they were pro-town or anti-town.

Though I'll add - if RiTides had the ability to kill at night - do you really think I'd be alive? He totally would have shot me instead of tunneling on me every day and wondering why I wasn't dead.
Do you know what happened to the guy I tunneled on and wanted dead Day 1 when he wasn't lynched?
Oh, he got shot in the face.
Yeah...

RiTides managed to fool you during the game I ran. He would not be so transparent as to attack you day in and day out and then kill you during the night.

Unvote: Krellnus

Vote: Thor

I know I'm town, but I don't know that Thor is. It seems silly to me to die simply because Thor has claimed to be the Vigilante. Might as well leave it up to Jburch, Vulkan or Lady Luck.

Are you really that worried we won't be able to kill Thor tomorrow if we dont lynch him now?

After all, he did mention something about being able to take care of Jburch if we lynched you and you weren't the Squig. Sure that could mean he's the Squig and killing Jburch in the night is to sweeten the deal of me going after you, or he is the vig and he'll kill Jburch anyway.

Good chance that if the squig doesn't die today he'll die tomorrow.

BishopGore wrote:RiTides managed to fool you during the game I ran. He would not be so transparent as to attack you day in and day out and then kill you during the night.

He would if he was pro-town and thought I was scum and had a kill ability.

He wouldn't if he thought you were town and spent the game attacking you to mask his activities elsewhere.

Vote Update
BishopGore - 3 - (Thor, Stynier, Krellnus)
Jburch - 0 -
Thor656 - 3 - (Vulkan, Jburch, Bishop)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
Vulkan_He'stan - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

Vote Log
Vulkan vote Thor
Jburch vote Thor
Stynier vote Jburch
Thor vote Bishop
Krellnus vote no lynch
Bishop vote Krellnus
Stynier unvote Jburch
Stynier vote Bishop
Krellnus unvote No Lynch
Krellnus vote Bishop
Bishop unvote Krellnus
Bishop vote Thor

Randomisation has determined that Bishop be lynched.

Once again the squabbling had reached a deadlock. None of the Gretchin present really had any clue which amongst you could be a fake. Eventually however all the Gretchin choose a side, a complete tie between two of them. A rather large, redish Gretchin chuckled at the accusations flying around. Though after they used the most fairest Gretchin randomisation technique (writing names on the wall and throwing rocks at it (The one with the most dents on the name is chosen)). The chuckling stopped as it was the large redish Gretchin's turn to have various methods of execution trailed on him. In the end the redish Gretchin broke free of their grip and jumped out the window, this knocked of the beast's crude disguise (an old sheet and a tin plate painted poorly to look like a Gretchin mask) to reveal it's true identity as a Squig. The beast got no further than several feet before the battle that continued to rage accidentally saw a shell miss a target and land roughly on the squig. It was pretty clear that Bishop just might have been a squig.

Night Phase Three Start
This phase will last 48 hours and end on the 31st, as shown in this timer.

Any with abilities to use during the Night Phase should do so as instructed.

I regret nothing!

Pew-pew.

After the Gretchin had finished watching the large reddish Gretchin run off into the battlefield and get himself blown up, they turn around to yet another shocking discovery; Vulkan's head is missing. Blood gushing out of his neck stump his little stubby Gretchin arms flail around in the air as he runs blindly around the shack. This continues for a good five minutes before his corpse falls flat on the ground, it's arms still flailing yet slowing until it finally stops.

The Gretchin just stare at the body for a short moment, occasionally it twitches. Though it wasn't long before the arguing and bickering continued, each determined to find this apparent Ghost Squig and make it go somewhere else or at least after someone else.

Day Phase Four Start

Vote Update
Jburch - 0 -
Thor656 - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

This phase will go for one week ending on the 8th as shown in this timer here.
As ther are four alive, it only takes three votes for a lynch.

You still have Bishop on the list there Should only be 4 alive me thinks

And I guess I will start the voting

Since we looking for the Vig, and Thor has stated that he is the Vig, and called his shot on Vulcan...I suppose its a safe bet

Vote : Thor

I was the one who killed Vulkan. His lurk out yesterday combined with a claim of no powers made him a decent target.

The lack of a Squig kill and me also being alive after basically killing two Squigs pretty much screams that we have a protective role who was on me and prevented the Squigs from killing me via death.

I've got to look at stuff again. I still think Krellnus is likely town. Brother S. is...well, I think he's town but a bit of paranoia is setting in at this stage. Jburch is the other consideration. The pro for him is that he was all over me yesterday and trying to claim I was lying. The drawback is that he was basically right in line with BishopG and I'm not sure if I believe he'd mush up on a scumbuddy like that.

So, in order of suspect; Jburch, Brother S, Krellnus.

With 4 alive we also have a strategy consideration.

1. We can try to lynch correct today, if we whiff it...well, I can take a last shot and hope I target correctly. If we get a correct lynch or I get a correct kill, we win. 50% win chance.

2. We can vote no lynch today. I won't kill. Doc keeps protecting me. Scum is forced to kill someone other than me and that drops us in tomorrow with a 1v1 option. 50% win chance.

I think I lean towards option 1.
I'd also suggest the Doc doesn't claim unless the person we're about to lynch is the Doc - that way we have the advantage of ruling out a person suddenly or causing scum to have to get ballsy and force a 50/50 choice with me having the ability to shoot the other half of the 50 if we lynch wrong, which is 100% win ratio.

Wait, huh?

I guess it is my lack of experience with this game, but what are we looking for? I thought we were trying to kill the vig at this point, but your saying there is another squig out there?

Lol, how do we win this damned thing

We win by removing threats to town. A Vig is not a threat to town.

Unless you are actually the serial killer, but I doubt you'd of gone with the ousting yourself as a vig yesterday if that were the case. It would be an awful gamble to assume there was a Doctor and that he'd go with the story.

Yeah, maybe if I was 100% certain Bishop G was a squig it might have been worth the gamble, but I couldn't know that.

What are your thoughts on Krellnus and Jburch though? I don't recall if you supported my Krellnus=town theory or not. Since Bishop G was all about trying to get him lynched yesterday I'm feeling even stronger about it.

BishopGore wrote:Thor said on Day 2 that the Krellnus being scum idea didn't make sense, but in light of the connection between both of the confirmed scum and the bandwagon he attempted on Day 2 of RiTides (who we now know was town) I think it should be revisited.

He pops up infrequently just to vote and has now voted no lynch, possibly because he thinks it will make him less of a target.

Vote: Krellnus

That's his vote on Krellnus. At this stage both Vulkan and Jburch were wailing about connections between me and RiTides. So, Bishop wants to avoid that wagon for some reason. Now, there are a couple reasons.

1. I'd just voted him and he didn't want to leap on me right after that.

2. He suspected I'd be too hard to mislynch.

3. There was already a scum on the wagon on me and he didn't want to mush up with them.

Now...maybe he just wanted to abuse a scumbuddy and distance from him. But, when you combine Bishop G's push with the push from Drk_O and Rab on Day 1, you have had all three of them pushing to get Krellnus lynched at some point, and Krellnus looks like a super easy lynch option. I'm thinking he's solid town at this stage.

Thoughts? (from Stynier and Jburch)

Also, after we agree with this we'll see what I can say about either of you, who really are the smart lynches today).

Honestly you could be on to something about Krellnus, their votes were far too early in the game for it to have been two of the scum trying to lynch what they saw as a weaker member of the pack. So I'm going to have to go with Krell being protown of some sort.

I do some what have this sinking feeling however that there is no Doctor, and that the last scum could be you, a serial killer. It seems rather unfounded even to myself, but like you mentioned earlier about some of your own thoughts it could be paranoia.

Jburch well I've been moderately suspicious of him for the past two phases.

If I was a serial killer why did I go so hot and nasty after scum like I did? Yeah, an SK wants people to die by lynch, but he also wants people to die because scum is killing them. More importantly - he doesn't want scum to come and kill him since he has to live to the end to win. I was setting myself up for fail by shooting Drk_O and sussing out Bishop G if I was a SK.

Okay, so you agree on Krellnus town, which pleases me.

I'd like to see Krellnus get in here and say a few words. Than I'm ready to lynch Jburch, after that I'll shoot you or Krellnus. I'm going to keep my personal thoughts of who is being shot to myself.

Vote: Jburch

Stynier, don't vote Jburch just yet, I want to see Krellnus offer what he can (and a vote) prior to that.

@Jburch - feel free to weigh in on your own thoughts regarding Krellnus as obv. town and the plan to lynch you and shoot someone else as an almost assured way to nail scum.

I am honestly really tossing up between Jburch and Stynier as being the SK, but I am not really feeling one as being the SK more strongly than the other, but perhaps I am a bit out of touch since my last game was like 4-5 years ago :(.
Still we have what? A week to discuss and try and figure out who it is, so I won't be too hasty to push any particular vote at the moment.

I dunno, maybe it is because this is the first time I have played this game, or maybe all this just goes over my poor gretchin head, but my vote will stay.

I guess if there is a serial killer, then it is possible that Thor could be the killer, and have played it up this whole game to be some sort of pro town vigilante. That way when it comes to the end of the game, he can use his past actions to get the remaining town to lynch each other. By the time people figure it out it is too late due to lack of alive townies.

Or I could be completely wrong, I was about Bishop....

Either way, you can lynch me if you like, but it will not get you closer to a town win.

*Waves hand like Obi-Wan
"I am not the droid your looking for"

@Krellnus - if we have an SK than the SK has failed to kill anything as far as I can tell. Why do you think there's an SK?

@Jburch - not to be insulting, but you seem to latch onto a vote and basically go 'lalalalala, can't hear you!' You did it yesterday with me and again today. You admit you were wrong about Bishop G but have apparently drawn no adjustment in your playstyle forward to today. Why is that?

Also - what are your thoughts on obv. town Krellnus?

Basicaly I see it like this, There are 4 of us left. One person (at least) is running around with a gun shooting people. 3 of us say "I dont have a gun", while one of us says "I got a gun, but I am not killing good guys!"

My vote is sticking with you Thor because nothing has changed. Yes, Bishop was the Squig, but we still have someone running around killing people. I guess its possible that with the 4 of us left, it just so happens that there is a vigilante, a serial killer, a doctor, and a town, but I think it is more plausable to say that you are not a vigilante, but instead a genious serial killer.

You defended yourself by saying that you were killing scum, but from the get go people were after you for a lynch. Maybe you realized that if the Scum were left alive, then you would be eaten in your sleep. Maybe you thought that you would have a better chance of winning by taking out the scum, and then using the towns trust to lynch each other. Or maybe, I am completely wrong and making no sense

Either way, when I look at those who are still alive, I dont really see a whole lot of other options. I could randomly pick someone else to vote for, but I wouldnt have any basis for the vote. Seeing as how this is the first time I have played something like this, I may not pick up on the "tells" that some of you vets pick up on, in all honesty, I am suprised I have forrest gumped my way this far into the game....

Its like that slogan for the lottery....someones gunna be the serial killer, might as well be you

Also to follow up, A few phases ago I was voting to lynch Krell, Since I cant be for certain who the Killer is, I could be convinced for a lynch on Krell, but at the moment, it seems that all eyes are on me (very beady eyes that have evil intentions).

I dunno though, Thors plan of lynching me and shooting someone else to find "scum" could also be looked at as assured victory for him if he is the Killer.

Jburch wrote:Basicaly I see it like this, There are 4 of us left. One person (at least) is running around with a gun shooting people. 3 of us say "I dont have a gun", while one of us says "I got a gun, but I am not killing good guys!"

I'm evil because I'm openly claiming I have a gun and am the one shooting things and specifically calling out my targets even? Yesterday you went with the story that Thor was lying about his claim and was scummy. Now I'm telling the truth and am scummy. Does this confuse you, because it sure confuses me.

Jburch wrote:You defended yourself by saying that you were killing scum, but from the get go people were after you for a lynch. Maybe you realized that if the Scum were left alive, then you would be eaten in your sleep. Maybe you thought that you would have a better chance of winning by taking out the scum, and then using the towns trust to lynch each other. Or maybe, I am completely wrong and making no sense

So, everyone was after me to lynch me, so in terror I started killing the scum because they might kill me in the night (not that there's a reason to if everyone is trying to lynch me).
I'm going with the "making no sense" option here.

Okay, I need to see Krellnus put out a vote and clarify his thoughts on who is the scummiest.
I think Jburch has to be the lynch today, he's screaming scum right now. If he's not scum I'm shooting my second top suspect, but I frankly think I'm on the money here.

I did not think you were the Vig last phase, but you called your shot, so now I am thinking you do have a role, it just isnt what you claim it to be.

I never said that in terror you started killing squigs, just that people were after you for lynch. If the town was leery of you, then you had pressure coming from Town. The squigs always have the ability to kill at night, so there is a chance that you will be eaten with them left alive. I am thinking that maybe you figured by helping town in the beginning, then you could gain trust to get some pressure off of your lynch, since you cant really gain the trust of the squigs (they will eat ya no matter what in the end).

You guys can lynch me and waste a lynch if you want. Since Thor is leading the charge I suppose everyone else will fall in line and I will be dead next, no matter what I do or say. Might as well stick with my "Thor is an evil genious" hypothesis. If I am wrong then o well, I will earn from this game and try harder next game. If I am right, however, well....that would be super cool. I really want to believe that Thors increasing pressure on me after every post of mine is an indicator that I am on the money about this.

C'est La Vie

Actually it's the pants on head lack of consideration for any other alternative that is making me up the pressure. Town is almost never this sure of anything. Scum are.

Also, by attacking me you prove you are, without doubt, not the Doc, which is also a big tell.

Honestly Thor, I had just assumed there was, as I know for a certainty that there is either a SK or a Vig, I believe it is safer at this point to assume it is a SK.

@Krellnus - than you should be voting me, because if there is an SK it *has8 to be me because I'm the one claiming the kills and I'd be insane to do that if I wasn't the one actually killing.

You should also vote though, I personally support a vote on Jburch however, he's highly likely scum.

Yeah, tbh Jburch is seaming the most scummy at the moment so, I will vote for him
vote: Jburch

Ahhhhh, the end is getting close

Hope you guys have a good plan for tonight, cus the game aint over when I die...

Vote Update
Jburch - 2 - (Thor, Krellnus)
Thor656 - 1 - (Jburch)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

This phase will go for one week ending on the 8th as shown in this timer here.
As ther are four alive, it only takes three votes for a lynch. At the moment there is a tie between Thor and Jburch.

Vote Log
Jburch vote Thor
Thor vote Jburch
Krellnus Vote Jburch

Thor voted for me on page 8, might want to correct that

He did too, I missed it in the middle of his text. Updating the log and tally now.

Well I suppose you all knew this was coming, as my suspicion was leveled at Jburch for the last phase and indeed this one as well so,

Vote: Jburch

That's hammer - flip, flip, flip!

I will smack a Skarboy if Jburch flips town.

Which of you guys was Doc? I want to smooch you.

Yeah, I will admit that if Jburch flips town, that I think we should definatley lynch Thor

If Jburch flips town I'm your last hope to get scum - derp.

Yes, but you are the one that convinced us to lynch Jburch, if he flips town, you will look pretty scummy I reckon

If I flip town (which I will)

And Thor is scum, with a gun....then I think its game over

Vote Update
Jburch - 3 - (Thor, Krellnus, Stynier)
Thor656 - 1 - (Jburch)
BrotherStynier - 0 -
Krellnus - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -


Vote Log
Jburch vote Thor
Thor vote Jburch
Krellnus Vote Jburch
Stynier vote Jburch

The argument was much briefer than usual, the Gretchin actually coming to a conclusion for once. Jburch ran for the door as the fellow Gretchin chased him. Still being locked it was a dead end and he had to weave through the Gretchin to attempt his escape. He ran to the opposite end of the shack, the rest still in pursuit, and dove through the small hole they had planed to escape through. There he was standing in the middle of the empty Squig pen, the battle that had surrounded the shack was reaching its end, small box like objects were now raining in the distance. A small number of Orks ran past, the Nob of the squad grabbing Jburch to use as a luck Gretchin in the battle ahead; some strange looking Meganobz.

It is safe to assume two things, firstly that Jburch is a Gretchin and secondly that he was unwillingly involved in at least one fight against the IoM.

Night Phase Four Start
This phase will last 48 and finish on the 6th as shown in this timer.

Hmmm with Jburch out of the picture, I think we should all go for a lynch of Thor656, who I'm guessing now is most likely scum that lead us on a false trail from the start.

Not long after Jburch had disappeared into the distance there was a distinct and slight popping sound. Those remaining turned around to see that Krellnus' head had just exploded into a fountain of bone fragments, brain matter and blood. The Gretchin cut off mid sentence, it proceeded to flail around in a similar manner to Vulkan. Leaving only Stynier and Thor out of all the Gretchin. However, Stynier had come to a shocking discovery that had manage to escape all the other Gretchin; there had been one less Gretchin in the room since the very beginning. Outside the small shack on the roof of another lay a dark figure; the Vindicare, Thor. Hand placed on one side of his head as if he was communicating on some unseen radio he gave the brief announcement "Phase one complete, initiating phase two". The silent figure jumped down from the roof and quickly ran into the Gretchin shack. Through the opposite window he had a clear shot at the warboss, his main objective. But first he would have to deal with Vulkan.

Krellnus was the target of the night kill. Leaving both Thor and Stynier. With 2 alive it would require 2 to lynch.

Day Phase Five Start
Sudden Death

Thor656 - 0 -
BrotherStynier - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -

This phase will go for one week ending on the 11th, as shown in this timer.

...lol?

So, Stynier, are you a double voter or something, because that's the only way I can imagine you win. Considering my role has been revealed by the mod basically we're to the stage where either you have a way to deal with me, or we lynch you/vote no lynch/wait for the day to end and go to night in which case I'll wim because I'll kill you at night.

Vote: Brother Stynier

So, if you've got something, you've got me, if not, this is game/set/match.

(I guess I shouldn't really post, since the game's not "over"... but it seems to be? Also: Knew we should've lynched Thor the puppeteer at work, once again...)

This is very odd, frankly and the only way I see out of it is to vote for you and hope you get chosen at random.

Vote: Thor

Obviously I won't be able to win in the night phase, other wise you'd already be dead.

I guess there's the 50/50...though that's weak, functionally this should be my win and I stand by my right to whine about it post game if I lose

Yo, n0t_u! If this thing is coming down to a die roll, just do the die roll.

RiTides wrote:(I guess I shouldn't really post, since the game's not "over"... but it seems to be? Also: Knew we should've lynched Thor the puppeteer at work, once again...)

All part of my charm.

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Post by: Thor665

BrotherStynier wrote:Obviously I won't be able to win in the night phase, other wise you'd already be dead.

Ah, okay, so you're the last scum - natch. Well, that makes sense.

...nah, this should be a 50/50, you deserve the chance. Though I did most of the heavy lifting for you...I just honestly thought Jburch was the last scum

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Post by: SagesStone

I was leaving room for at least you both to have a choice first.

Random says that Thor dies.


As the Vindicare raced towards the shack the lone Gretchin fled through the hole to the squig pen. Now in the shack the assassin lined up his shot at the warboss, however the shooting skills of the Imperial Guard would say otherwise. A stray Basilisk shell missed the Warboss' fortress and instead landed straight on top of the shack. Stynier was thrown from the blast, but otherwise fine. The triumphant Gretchin was in awe, truely Gork and Mork looked down on him in favour. Unfortunately for him the Warboss thought this also and not long after the indicent dragged the Gretchin around as a lucky charm.

The war continued for a few more months the Warboss at the front lines, with Stynier not too far away. Eventually the Orks would be victorious driving the humans away from the planet. However the Gretchin's life ended not in battle, but when the Warboss failed to win a bet with his lucky charm nearby.


If any are interesting I might open the sign up for the next one in about a week. If you want to host it yourself, go ahead, but don't forget about the people who are in reserve who should be given precedence and added first.

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Post by: Thor665

Wait, Stynier was a Gretchin? I totally call foul on the 50/50 thing than. My role inherently has a 50% lose ratio no matter how well it's played under these rules.

Conventionally a scum player getting to equal numbers with town means scum wins.

Overall though, really fun game. I enjoyed myself greatly. I think you probably should have released the setup rules to the players in general - it probably would have allowed town a legitimate chance at a win as I would have had to try to argue that someone had flipped as a miller on the last lynch day. I, at times, felt I had an advantage insomuch as I was aware of the setup moreso than the other players.

I'll play again if you host.

@Stynier - told you I'm always scum

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Post by: prototype_X

I will play

also i was the painboy

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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch

I was a Savage Gretchin (Anti-Town) Thor, and you took out my partner, Vulkan, which I didn't expect you would do and in the second to last day I was trying to think of how I could turn everyone against you.

You know this time I did figure you to be the Vig or Serial Killer mainly those last couple days I thought you were a Serial Killer though.

Truthfully I only thought you were pro-town cause I was scum.

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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch

Also I'll do another game.

Oh, and my power you may ask? To commune with my fellow Savage Gretchin to scheme, and unfortunately for him, I didn't go with killing you Thor.

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Post by: BishopGore

I didn't really enjoy that game very much. Partly it was losing both my partners on Day 1, but mostly it was the way the game ran.

Sorry, but I dislike the 50/50 'random' element of chance to die, it takes out all the planning and fun of it if the DM starts deciding who dies after all the effort we put in. Also not_u, you HAVE to be more careful when you tote up votes. Taking an extra ten minutes to recheck all the posts, check you haven't left duplicates and the like is absolutely vital, if you make one mistake how can we trust you're not making mistakes we can't see?

Anyway, I don't want to play again, but thanks for running.

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Post by: BishopGore

Oh, and I'm really peeved at Mordoskul for pointing fingers in his death post. It's specifically not allowed in the rules. Strangely, that was when Thor started pointing at me...

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Post by: SagesStone

For claification, Savage Gretchins were actually just Gretchins with the Mason ability. So town did win. Thor did surprisingly well considering he was a one man team.

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Post by: Vulkan_He'stan

Styner I think we were both town
I enjoyed that game

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Post by: RiTides

Good game, Thor is really good at this... however, I am hopeful that in future games this has been noted and people will be more wary.

In particular, I know I was screaming bloody murder to kill Thor (beyond all reason, really)- but remember his claim about "Leave me alive for a day or two, I'm useful, but if I'm alive towards the end you can kill me?"

I was really itching to see someone call him out on that... if he was town, you'd think the scum would kill him to keep themselves alive. It's possible they'd leave him alive as lynch-bait, but he's so convincing that that never seems to work.

So next game? If Thor's alive on day 3/4... everybody remember this trend and take him out

Good game, guys... I may take a break and just watch the next one, I actually had just about as much fun watching as playing.

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Post by: RiTides

Also, through reading the death post about me, it seems I was killed by scum in an attempt to get Thor lynched. In the future, guys, just go straight to killing Thor . With all the votes I'd gotten the previous day, if he'd flipped town (I'm assuming you didn't know he was the vigilante, but knew he wasn't scum) I almost assuredly would've been lynched. Same end result... and I'm less persuasive / less of a threat to still have alive for an extra day

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Post by: Jburch

Well I tried to go after Thor in the end, but I guess he just had too much influence at that point. O well, that was fun, sign me up for the next round

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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch

Oh so we were town, the pm made me think we were shifty.

Also Ri, Thor was his own team, like the Night Lord Aspirant.


Jburch in the end since I was under the wrong assumption that I was scum (Because of the "....or are they." in the PM) I didn't want to risk Thor actually being a Vig and killing me in the Night by Voting for him over you. That would have forced a tie and he could have been chosen allowing the town a win there.

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Post by: Thor665

Okay. Stynier and Vulkan as town make me feel better about my reads, though worse about my loss I'll second Bishop G's call - the 50/50 was an interesting tie-breaker system, but I'm a much bigger fan of a no lynch being the result if town can't pull their head's together.

@Bishop Gore - Dude! I actually totally missed Mordoskull's hint drop there (if it makes you feel better...I actually went after you because I thought you were town...derf). That said, that was WAY uncool on Mordo's part, and definitely against the rules and spirit of the game.

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Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky @ 2011/06/05 21:10:17

Post by: VictorVonTzeentch

I would think technically since you were a killing power roll Thor, you probably should have just killed me off the bat in the last day phase rather than there being voting a the Tie Breaker.

Also, in my head I was scum so it turns out I was playing Pro-Town pretending to be Scum pretending to be Town(Ive basically said this already I just feel like reiterating my point). Which is interesting and I dont know why I wasn't killed earlier.

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Post by: BishopGore

In my mind Thor won, but I was very annoyed on Day 1 to find that me protecting Rabtorian (putting my proverbial neck on the block) by voting Thor (and having to pretend I didn't have time to post a reply to his good points about why voting him was stupid) was a complete waste of time. Springing the 50/50 random vote kill was not very fair, and completely different to any other game. But I am only saying that as the scum that was left entirely alone with no real clue how to play a scum role. I really wanted to kill Thor on Night 2, but thought killing RiTides would make people turn on Thor. However my triple bluff (making people think Thor would assume noone would assume that he killed someone who was baying for his blood) failed utterly.

As RiTides said, never leave Thor alive. He will never give off a town/scum vibe, because he is just far too good at the game.

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Post by: Thor665

BishopGore wrote:As RiTides said, never leave Thor alive. He will never give off a town/scum vibe, because he is just far too good at the game.

I actually think I usually give off a town vibe though.
I appreciate the compliment however.

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Post by: Rabtorian

Well that was fun. Until I got lynched. Ah well. Maybe I will have a better chance in the next game I play in.

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Post by: RiTides

You're right, Stynier, and I didn't have any feeling on Thor other than the usual "He's controlling things, and pushing for lynches, and I can't tell if he's good or bad" which he has felt like both times (although, both times I've played he's been bad...)

Tough to say anything about it, since he's always like that, and my "Lynch him because I say so!" argument didn't work . If I do it again, I'll try being more subtle about it, and giving reasons... but then there's the problem of the above- those are all good reasons to lynch, but he always plays that way, and what seems to get people taken out in this game is doing things out of their usual playstyle (if they're regulars).

I tried a different style in this one and it backfired rather badly

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Post by: BishopGore

It only backfired because I am not very good at being sneaky or tactical. You really should have survived, I should have gunned for Thor every night, whether or not a Doctor was trying to protect him.

Live and learn, scum need to get rid of people like Thor, as they will call you out on all the 'stupid' things you are doing!

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Post by: RiTides

He is good at that

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Post by: SagesStone

Unfortunately for town the Doctor was the player who got replaced, never got the chance to use their role.

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Post by: Thor665

BishopGore wrote:Live and learn, scum need to get rid of people like Thor, as they will call you out on all the 'stupid' things you are doing!

Best praise I could ask for - thanks!

Why do I get the feeling next game I'll be town, and will be lynched Day 1 because "Thor is tricky".

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Post by: RiTides

Probably because I already tried doing that this game, Thor, and the end result only reinforces the stereotype

not_u- Was the replacement not allowed to use the doctor ability, or did they just run out of time before getting lynched?

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Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky @ 2011/06/06 21:43:30

Post by: Thor665

Didn't we lynch Prototype the day he replaced in?

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Post by: Jburch

yeah, proto showed up, then was executed that same day

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Post by: RiTides

Heh, whoops

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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r

I like the part where Thor killed me on the first day. That was pretty cool and stuff

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Post by: prototype_X

yea i had fun, id love to play a game where i could play from the start.

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Post by: Mordoskul

Yeah, that was quite an uncool move on my part, and I apologize profusely. This seemed much more streamlined than the previous Mafia game I participated in, and will say well done to all of those involved.

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Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky @ 2011/06/09 07:46:52

Post by: Krellnus

T'was fun, I'll go for another if there is another one.

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Squigs n Gretchens - WH40K Mafia Game - Game Over - Gretchin Win!? Vindicare Unlucky @ 2011/06/09 10:28:15

Post by: prototype_X

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/373881.page#2914956

new one by the zoat, 18 players!