So right before the "BT Crusade into the Tau Empire" thread closed we were having an argument about the size of Imperator Titans. I claim that Imperator Titans are approx. 55 meters tall, referencing Lexicanum which in turn references extrapolations from the Apoc. datasheet along with a statement from "False Gods", stating that the infamous Imperator Titan Dies Irae was 43m high and probably didn't have any cathedral spires.
My "opponent", in turn, claims that Imperator Titans are 150 meters high, referencing the 40k wikia which, in turn and as always, didn't specify where this information was taken from.
It doesn't specify whether the Dies Irae had spires or not...
However due to the variation in all titan classes presumably because of build and design inconsistencies (Different Forge Worlds build in different ways and different Forge Worlds have different schematics) i am gonna go for a range anywhere between 50m to 60m.
According to Lexicanum, the Warhound is 14 metres tall 'at rest', and if you look at the Imperator apocalypse data sheet, it appears approximately 4 times the height of a harhound, giving you 56 metres.
I think they should be much larger, given the fluff, but I'm relucantly forced to conclude the smaller size holds more water.
I like to imagine they are the size of skyscrapers, but fluff says otherwise. But if you look at art (I know, artistic license and all that makes it inconsistent) like on the cover of Titanicus, a Warlord is basically a moving of sass and death.
Whatever their height, they should be able to hold a full company of guardsmen. The apoc datasheet states that this is only in the legs so the legs need to be small buildings capable of accommodating 50-60 people each plus support equipment and weapons stations. Where that leaves the fortress type building that sits on top I'm not sure as I'd thought that this is where many of these guardsmen would actually be rather than in the legs.
somecallmeJack wrote:Man. Looking at these images, 60m really doesn't seem all that big. Yet thats what all the extrapolations are coming out at.
The Imperator titan is not a lean machine. Looking at the FW model I would guess it is also about 40 m wide and 30 m deep. Put another church next to the original one and imagine it moving towards you. I'd think that this will make quite an impression on everyone.
somecallmeJack wrote:Stupid question, but how 'big' is 60 metres? Someone give me a real world object that's 60 metres high.
A building that's around 19-21 storeys tall. A yacht isn't a very good example, because horizontal distances are a great deal less impressive: walking a hundred meters is a trivial effort, while climbing a hundred meters or walking up 33 flights of stairs would be a great deal more strenuous.
somecallmeJack wrote:Man. Looking at these images, 60m really doesn't seem all that big. Yet thats what all the extrapolations are coming out at.
The Imperator titan is not a lean machine. Looking at the FW model I would guess it is also about 40 m wide and 30 m deep. Put another church next to the original one and imagine it moving towards you. I'd think that this will make quite an impression on everyone.
Dont get me wrong, I know Imperators are beefy girls, but in my minds eye they tower. 60 metres doesnt tower! I want them to be as tall as skyscrapers.
Im reading the Eisenhorn trilogy at the moment, and about ten minutes ago I read a passage where he describes his gun-cutter as being 80m long. How can it be longer than an Imperator titan is tall!? how!?
I can't properly convey my utter disappointment.
This thread is like watching one of your heroes fall from grace...
I don't think some of the posters on this thread have a proper idea of just how big 60m is.
That's about the height of a 20 story building. If you live in a city go find a 20 story building and look up. It's quite impressive to look up at something that size from below.
If you want a more awesome comparison, Toho says Godzilla was 50m tall in the original film. So an Imperator is equivalent to 1.2 Godzillas. That's rather huge.
Yeah.... 60m is freaking huge... especially when it moves, and specifically wants to kill you.
As to how Eisenhorn's gun-cutter can be bigger than a Titan? It's a aero-space craft... plenty of Imperial spacecraft are bigger than Titans. Think of it as a yacht with a prodigious amount of guns and firepower, and not-inconsiderable layering of armor. Also, plot-specs.
Look at the cover of the novel Titanicus. The Titasn pictured is surelyt a lesser model than an imperator, but is at least 150 meters tall. The fluff frequently describes these machines ans having CITIES on their backs! I belive that in order to have the kind of physical stature and fireepower described in the novels, the Imperatos must be singularly massive. Easily in excess of 500 meters tall.
Damn what all these "official" measurements and crap say. We've all imagined the imperators as being massive, world burining walking cities. They're huge no matter what forgeworld says, or GW for that matter. 60m is maybe a smaller reaver in my opinion. Warlords come in at about 150-200. Imperators top 500-1000.
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever
Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet) Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet) Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet) The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166ft) The Warmonger is very similar in structure and appearance to the Imperator Titan.
And for reference this lighthouse is 15m tall.
Somebody needs to do some serious measurement correcting.
Brother Coa wrote:Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet)
Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet)
Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet)
The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166 feet)
While some sources say that warlords are 60 m, others say that it's "merely" 33 m. When one considers that Emperor Titans are supposedly the biggest Titans, one has to conclude that the smaller figure seems more accurate.
Brother Coa wrote:Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet) Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet) Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet) The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166ft) The Warmonger is very similar in structure and appearance to the Imperator Titan.
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Somebody needs to do some serious measurement correcting.
An Abrams has a height of 2.44 meters, so a warhound is like six Abrams stacked on top of one another (it's also just over two wide, and around one and a half long long, since an Abrams is 2.44m*4.66m*7.93m, and a warhound is 15m*11m*12m).
Titans actually have sizes that makes sense, once you get past the impracticality of giant walking tanks. Technically, a baneblade should outgun and outrun a warhound, going off size comparisons, but Titans are magic god-machines that are possibly the most singularly advanced piece of imperial technology, as well as possessing the highest "advancement versus usefulness" ratio, nudging at least a little ahead of "anything Space Marines use on a regular basis"; that is to say, a warhound is probably dozens of times as advanced as a baneblade, but is only worth two or three in terms of usefulness (just like how a bolter is dozens of times as advanced as a lasgun, but is only worth two or three).
Length - 32.74m Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta ) Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).
Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GWREALLY need to fix these numbers.
I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?
Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?
Perhaps they forgot to put "or" between. My guess is the Manta can carry up to 48 FireWarriors or 8 battlesuits or 2 Devilfish etc...
I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....
Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...
Nah, dreadnoughts aren't terribly much bigger (significantly wider though) than the Marines entombed inside them. If the standard Marine is nearly 3 metres tall, a dreadnought might be 4, 5 at the most.
And an Imperator Titan can crush city blocks under its feet... just not in one step.
Length - 32.74m
Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta )
Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).
Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GWREALLY need to fix these numbers.
Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?
A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.
loota boy wrote:I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....
Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...
A lot of people don't seem to realize just how large that is. When we think of distances, we generally think of wide open, horizontal spaces, which make things seem a lot smaller, since 55 meters of open ground is nothing, since at a light walk one covers between one and two meters a second, depending on one's stride. 55 meters of vertical structure is radically different, and just 15 meters of vertical climbing on stairs would wear out the average person.
The Imperator titan is like 23 Abrams stacked on top of one another, in five columns three deep. That's absurdly huge for a land-based vehicle. It's bigger than you can reasonably build an aircraft too, though small next to what you can put on water.
I know... It's just... I always pictured them as so high you couldn't see the top... So big you could fit Andora on it... Well, maybe not Andora... But a city...
Length - 32.74m
Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta )
Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).
Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GWREALLY need to fix these numbers.
Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?
A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.
loota boy wrote:I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....
Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...
A lot of people don't seem to realize just how large that is. When we think of distances, we generally think of wide open, horizontal spaces, which make things seem a lot smaller, since 55 meters of open ground is nothing, since at a light walk one covers between one and two meters a second, depending on one's stride. 55 meters of vertical structure is radically different, and just 15 meters of vertical climbing on stairs would wear out the average person.
The Imperator titan is like 23 Abrams stacked on top of one another, in five columns three deep. That's absurdly huge for a land-based vehicle. It's bigger than you can reasonably build an aircraft too, though small next to what you can put on water.
to put it down to people 55 meters is very tall.
every time you rise 250 feet thats like walking a mile. So the only problem is that the human mind cannot comprehend just how big that really is. Its kinda like trying to think how big the universe is. It will make your head explode.
I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower
So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.
But yea the size does kidnda suck. I grew up hearing stories of the titans (before they actually made models and rules for them) and the Imperator was the king of them all. I remember being told it could hold an entire company of Space Marines in its feet, and yea also heard it could just step on the standard 40k sized army back then and that was the end of the match
Grass4hopper wrote:I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower
So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.
I understand your feeling, But at least it dwarfs star wars stuff Lol.
And plus let us not forget the triple sized Emperor Classed Titans... Which make every titan look like a freaking mouse.
Maybe this'll help a bit, maybe not. At least it'll give a more...human dimension to these things, rather than just big blocks of buildings from afar. Wikipedia's providing the heights, and none should include any pedestals they may be standing on.
Going by The Dreadnote's size chart, this guy's about the height of a warhound.
Note that their proportions are significantly different, as a Warhound has bigger shoulders than even Paul Bunyan!
So how about a revenant?
Note that the Vulcan statue is the largest cast iron statue in the world.
And even this next guy is only a meter taller than a revenant. Also note that this is about the height of the Mount Rushmore heads.
This seated Buddha is about as tall as a Reaver. He contains a museum.
Cristo de la Concordia is the largest Jesus in the world (taller than Christ the Redeemer even). He is about the height of a Warlord.
Then comes the statue of liberty.
Then comes the Imperator, somewhere in between these statues.
While the 50-60m scale seems accurate, I would have liked the 200m figure much more imo. Imperators were supposed to be the Gods among God Machines, things truly insane.
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.
Thank's for the link, I didn't even remembered Spectre when I was searching ( I was trying in that category only Antonov 225, but he is much bigger than Manta ).
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Asherian Command wrote:
every time you rise 250 feet thats like walking a mile. So the only problem is that the human mind cannot comprehend just how big that really is. Its kinda like trying to think how big the universe is. It will make your head explode.
It's not that, they are "Gods of war" and we always Imagine them a little higher. As for the universe it's not that big actually. We live in a galxyt with billions of stars, there are billions of galaxy's out there, but what exist beyond our universe? Where is our universe expanding to?
Titans still look ultra awesome even with correct scale, on the table top where our wars are fought, the scale of titans are pretty dead on, considering they are not scaled to be ultra huge due to having it still playable on the tables 10"-11" for warhounds
18" reavers
24"-26" warlords
33"-40" Imperators
In these sizes,I could still imagine them being playable on normal height tables with the 28mm scaled soldiers running around their feet or even trying to fight them, heheh.
It would admittedly have been cool if an Imperator was two pieces, each just a 1.5' by 1.5' by 2' foot, placed roughly a foot apart on the table, with the titan itself implied to be eight feet tall (what you'd get converting 150 meters to 28mm scale). Probably hard to work with, though.
Grass4hopper wrote:I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower
So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.
Well we should remember, the tripods from war of the worlds are about that height - thats pretty tall when you're looking up.
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever
And 60 m is only about 36 more feet tall. Myrtle Beach, S.C. has a ferris wheel that is 200 foot tall, which is only a few more feet tall than a titan at 60 meters (196.850 feet).
Personally I think it should be as tall Godzilla and it some movies the big guy is about the same height as a Imperator titan.
In the 1954 Japanese original, Dr. Yamane estimates that Godzilla was 50 meters tall (167 feet). Godzilla destroys Tokyo, but is later killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. A second Godzilla appears in the next movie: Godzilla Raids Again (1955). This creature is also 50 meters tall and would remain this size for the following Godzilla movies through to Terror or MechaGodzilla (1975).
In 1984, Toho presented Godzilla (Godzilla 1985 in the U.S.) as a direct sequel to the 1954 original, thus ignoring the existence of the 14 other films in the series. At the same time, the height of the new Godzilla was increased to 80 meters (267 feet). Toho probably did this to make Godzilla appears more imposing alongside Tokyo's modem skyscrapers. Godzilla is also 80 meters tall in Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989). In Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (1991), futurians attempt to prevent Godzilla's creation. However, their complicated time-travel plan backfires, and Godzilla is reborn in 1992, now towering at 100 meters (334 feet).
So basically in 1954 the Imperator Titan's size would have looked impressive. It really needs to be 100 meters at least in my opinion to look the part.
Grass4hopper wrote:
I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower
So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.
Well we should remember, the tripods from war of the worlds are about that height - thats pretty tall when you're looking up.
Yeah the tripods are imposing, but they're closer to what I envisioned the height of warhound or reaver would be irl.
mindfield wrote:
Titans still look ultra awesome even with correct scale, on the table top where our wars are fought, the scale of titans are pretty dead on, considering they are not scaled to be ultra huge due to having it still playable on the tables
10"-11" for warhounds
18" reavers
24"-26" warlords
33"-40" Imperators
In these sizes,I could still imagine them being playable on normal height tables with the 28mm scaled soldiers running around their feet or even trying to fight them, heheh.
Scale in 40k is all over the place (as most people know).
According to offical Forge World measurments combined and compared to size comparision on the Apocalypse datasheets; Imperial Titans models (according to GW) should be:
Warhound 10.5"
Reaver 16"
Warlord 23"
Emperor 39"
That mean GW has the Titan models roughly around 1/60 scale give or take a little in both directions for different models:
Warhound height of 45' / 60 = .75 x 12" = 9 inches (a little shorter than the Forge World model)
Reaver height of 85' / 60 = 1.4166 x 12" = 17 inches (a little taller than the Forge World model)
Warlord height of 100' / 60 = 1.666 x 12" = 20 inches (3" shorter than calculations based on Apocalypse datasheet illustrations)
Emperor height of 166' / 60 = 2.766 x 12" = 33 inches (6" shorter that calculations based on Apocalypse datasheet illustrations)
Most 40K vehicles seem to fit somewhere between 1/35 to 1/48, taking into account 'Heroic' proportions.
1/35 Warhound = 15.5 inches tall
1/48 Warhound = 11.25 inches tall
1/35 Reaver = 29 inches tall
1/48 Reaver = 21.25
(measurements have been rounded to nearest 0.25 of and inch)
So regardless of what scale you want to use, the FW Reaver Titan seems to be out of scale with the FW Warhound Titan.
Ok my apologies about the 'correct' scale comment, i'm aware of the confusion on alot of the models in wh40k. What I meant about the titans is the appropriate approximations of size, like for the imperator I do not like it anymore if it's beyond 40" at the tabletop, it's gets ridiculous already, some even built 6' models of the thing, how can you expect that to be put on tables? and still move?
You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
Warhound is extremely imposing over troops. Warlound and reaver even more so.
Check this thread it has a warlord in comarison to Lemans.
Now figure the Imper Ator is an order of magnitude bigger and there you are.
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic10_1.html
Frazzled wrote:You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
Warhound is extremely imposing over troops. Warlound and reaver even more so.
Check this thread it has a warlord in comarison to Lemans.
Now figure the Imper Ator is an order of magnitude bigger and there you are.
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic10_1.html
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever
And 60 m is only about 36 more feet tall. Myrtle Beach, S.C. has a ferris wheel that is 200 foot tall, which is only a few more feet tall than a titan at 60 meters (196.850 feet).
Personally I think it should be as tall Godzilla and it some movies the big guy is about the same height as a Imperator titan.
In the 1954 Japanese original, Dr. Yamane estimates that Godzilla was 50 meters tall (167 feet). Godzilla destroys Tokyo, but is later killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. A second Godzilla appears in the next movie: Godzilla Raids Again (1955). This creature is also 50 meters tall and would remain this size for the following Godzilla movies through to Terror or MechaGodzilla (1975).
In 1984, Toho presented Godzilla (Godzilla 1985 in the U.S.) as a direct sequel to the 1954 original, thus ignoring the existence of the 14 other films in the series. At the same time, the height of the new Godzilla was increased to 80 meters (267 feet). Toho probably did this to make Godzilla appears more imposing alongside Tokyo's modem skyscrapers. Godzilla is also 80 meters tall in Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989). In Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (1991), futurians attempt to prevent Godzilla's creation. However, their complicated time-travel plan backfires, and Godzilla is reborn in 1992, now towering at 100 meters (334 feet).
So basically in 1954 the Imperator Titan's size would have looked impressive. It really needs to be 100 meters at least in my opinion to look the part.
Wow, you really know Godzilla! If I'm ever on Who Wants to Be a Millionare and a Godzilla question comes up, can I use you for a Lifeline?
Frazzled wrote:You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
Warhound is extremely imposing over troops. Warlound and reaver even more so.
Check this thread it has a warlord in comarison to Lemans.
Now figure the Imper Ator is an order of magnitude bigger and there you are.
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic10_1.html
Why are people so hooked ont he "official fluff." The novels and art describe the Titans as massive, city cized war machines. We should go off of wha the real artists and thinkers say, not some boring, idiot GW or Forgeworld employees. We all want to believe that these things are bigger han the "official" crap, so lets just tell GW to screw off or change their numbers.
Yes, let's ignore the numbers that actually make sense in favor of ridiculous exaggerations for dramatic effect! Titans are miles tall and Space Marines are useful and relevant!
mindfield wrote
Ok my apologies about the 'correct' scale comment, i'm aware of the confusion on alot of the models in wh40k. What I meant about the titans is the appropriate approximations of size, like for the imperator I do not like it anymore if it's beyond 40" at the tabletop, it's gets ridiculous already, some even built 6' models of the thing, how can you expect that to be put on tables? and still move?
Sorry if it came off like I was criticizing your comment, that wasn't my intent
There was nothing wrong with your comment, and you just happened to give me an opening for a rant about Titan (model) sizes. I'm a little OCD sometimes, especially when it comes to measurements and GW scales drive me nuts when I try to figure out scale for a something like a gargant.
Frazzled wrote:
You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
EPIC scales for the larger vehicles is still off, especially with the Stompas and Gargants.
On a side note the Lexicanum article says the Reaver Titan is 40-50 meters (120-150 feet) high, but there is no citation. Is anyone aware of any fluff that support this height?
I seriously don't get the problem. We have the apoc datasheets to determine the height of all titans.
So what, the largest titans are "only" 55 metres? Well, whats so bad about it? Titans are already a pretty inefficient concept. Making them even larger would mean that they would become even larger targets, this time perhaps even large enough to be hit by orbiting warships.
Frazzled wrote:You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
Warhound is extremely imposing over troops. Warlound and reaver even more so.
Check this thread it has a warlord in comarison to Lemans.
Now figure the Imper Ator is an order of magnitude bigger and there you are.
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic10_1.html
Frazzled wrote:You need to lok at the scale in EPIC. Its a much better view.
Warhound is extremely imposing over troops. Warlound and reaver even more so.
Check this thread it has a warlord in comarison to Lemans.
Now figure the Imper Ator is an order of magnitude bigger and there you are.
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic10_1.html
What? Even Lexicanum (of which i am a staunch advocate) only sources a lot of the time, rather than proper referencing. It is annoying, but at least there is validity to it as opposed to not having any references at all.
Revenent Reiko wrote:What?
Even Lexicanum (of which i am a stout advocate) only sources a lot of the time, rather than proper referencing.
It is annoying, but at least there is validity to it as opposed to not having any references at all.
I think we're misunderstanding each other. What I don't like about the wiki is that they just lump all the sources together at the bottom, while Lexicanum more often than not references where each piece of fluff is taken from. Thus, you only have to look through one piece of fluff as opposed to everything they've taken information from.
Revenent Reiko wrote:What?
Even Lexicanum (of which i am a stout advocate) only sources a lot of the time, rather than proper referencing.
It is annoying, but at least there is validity to it as opposed to not having any references at all.
I think we're misunderstanding each other. What I don't like about the wiki is that they just lump all the sources together at the bottom, while Lexicanum more often than not references where each piece of fluff is taken from. Thus, you only have to look through one piece of fluff as opposed to everything they've taken information from.
Ahh, in which case yes, we are misunderstanding one another, my apologies
KingDeath wrote:I seriously don't get the problem. We have the apoc datasheets to determine the height of all titans.
So what, the largest titans are "only" 55 metres? Well, whats so bad about it? Titans are already a pretty inefficient concept. Making them even larger would mean that they would become even larger targets, this time perhaps even large enough to be hit by orbiting warships.
I think its because most of us are so used to reading about titans in the fluff or looking at art, where they're exaggerated, that we're dismayed when we discover the official numbers, which make something we thought was cool perceived to be less cool.
On the other hand, Im pretty sure warships could hit large titans now. Can't some armies call in orbital strikes that are effective against much smaller targets in-game.
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever
And 60 m is only about 36 more feet tall. Myrtle Beach, S.C. has a ferris wheel that is 200 foot tall, which is only a few more feet tall than a titan at 60 meters (196.850 feet).
Personally I think it should be as tall Godzilla and it some movies the big guy is about the same height as a Imperator titan.
In the 1954 Japanese original, Dr. Yamane estimates that Godzilla was 50 meters tall (167 feet). Godzilla destroys Tokyo, but is later killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. A second Godzilla appears in the next movie: Godzilla Raids Again (1955). This creature is also 50 meters tall and would remain this size for the following Godzilla movies through to Terror or MechaGodzilla (1975).
In 1984, Toho presented Godzilla (Godzilla 1985 in the U.S.) as a direct sequel to the 1954 original, thus ignoring the existence of the 14 other films in the series. At the same time, the height of the new Godzilla was increased to 80 meters (267 feet). Toho probably did this to make Godzilla appears more imposing alongside Tokyo's modem skyscrapers. Godzilla is also 80 meters tall in Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989). In Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (1991), futurians attempt to prevent Godzilla's creation. However, their complicated time-travel plan backfires, and Godzilla is reborn in 1992, now towering at 100 meters (334 feet).
So basically in 1954 the Imperator Titan's size would have looked impressive. It really needs to be 100 meters at least in my opinion to look the part.
Wow, you really know Godzilla! If I'm ever on Who Wants to Be a Millionare and a Godzilla question comes up, can I use you for a Lifeline?
I sure do. Other kids slept with teddy bears when they were little. I slept with a hard plastic Godzilla that was 18 inches tall (45.7 cm).
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever
And 60 m is only about 36 more feet tall. Myrtle Beach, S.C. has a ferris wheel that is 200 foot tall, which is only a few more feet tall than a titan at 60 meters (196.850 feet).
Personally I think it should be as tall Godzilla and it some movies the big guy is about the same height as a Imperator titan.
In the 1954 Japanese original, Dr. Yamane estimates that Godzilla was 50 meters tall (167 feet). Godzilla destroys Tokyo, but is later killed by the Oxygen Destroyer. A second Godzilla appears in the next movie: Godzilla Raids Again (1955). This creature is also 50 meters tall and would remain this size for the following Godzilla movies through to Terror or MechaGodzilla (1975).
In 1984, Toho presented Godzilla (Godzilla 1985 in the U.S.) as a direct sequel to the 1954 original, thus ignoring the existence of the 14 other films in the series. At the same time, the height of the new Godzilla was increased to 80 meters (267 feet). Toho probably did this to make Godzilla appears more imposing alongside Tokyo's modem skyscrapers. Godzilla is also 80 meters tall in Godzilla vs. Biollante (1989). In Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (1991), futurians attempt to prevent Godzilla's creation. However, their complicated time-travel plan backfires, and Godzilla is reborn in 1992, now towering at 100 meters (334 feet).
So basically in 1954 the Imperator Titan's size would have looked impressive. It really needs to be 100 meters at least in my opinion to look the part.
Wow, you really know Godzilla! If I'm ever on Who Wants to Be a Millionare and a Godzilla question comes up, can I use you for a Lifeline?
I sure do. Other kids slept with teddy bears when they were little. I slept with a hard plastic Godzilla that was 18 inches tall (45.7 cm).
I know warhounds are supposed to be around 17 meters tall which is stil pretty big I think 55 may be a little small for an imperator, in my mind a reaver would be late 20s early 30s with its missile rack, a warlord would be late 40s with the Imperator topping out in the 60s somewhere.
iirc in one of the books about dark apostle marduk it says the titan landers were around 150 long and cigar shape. so im going with 150m. and apparently the new warlords are the size of emperors in the new stuff. which is y someone made a 9 foot tall warlord. but warhammer 40k minis are 1:64 scale so a reaver would be around 25m a warhound would be 16m so a emperor would be 64m im confused.
Fluff wise I'm guessing the 50-60m at the biggest, but in my mind, much larger. I like the idea of them being moving mountains. I also think 'my' bods well when compared to their destructiveness. A 60m titan demolishing a hive doesn't look/sound as good as a 400ft titan
