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Post by: Kroothawk
Didn't want to start a thread on what could be the "special release" in September (see stickied release schedule), but now we have a hint by Harry:
Harry wrote:CitizenNick wrote:Anyone who is friends with GW on facebook may have noticed how much they've been talking about Blood Bowl lately. Jervis mentioned it in standard bearer a couple months back. And it was mentioned in a "what's new today" post not long ago.
Is this a hint at what's coming in September? 
Well it may be nothing .... but Jervis wrote the first edition of BloodBowl in 1986 ....
Do the maths. 
Reminder: Space Hulk was the 25th anniversary edition
(Warhammer Quest missed its 15th anniversary last year)
Edit: September WD has a cryptic message not on the last page as usual, but some pages ahead. There is a one page picture of a (undead?) pirate and the text "Wanted: Count Noctilus! If you have any useful information, please contact Jago Roth, captain of the 'Heldenhammer'".
I take that as a confirmation, that a boxed naval game is coming in October.
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Post by: Eldar Own
HaHey!!!
I have an old blood bowl set, and myself and my uncle really enjoy playing it. I hope it means i think it means! 
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Post by: Juvieus Kaine
A redo of Handegg WHFB? ... Ok.
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Post by: Revarien
Drat! I was hoping for Warhammer Quest >.<
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Post by: LavuranGuard
they still have the special games version on the shelves of the FLGS, would a new one be any different I wonder?
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Post by: yakface
I just don't see how they can do the 'Space Hulk' treatment for Blood Bowl or any other 'specialist game'.
Sure they can come out with a nice shiny new release of the game, but there's no way they're going to sink a bunch of money into making new models for every team when they have no space in their miniature line to carry another game.
That's *why* Space Hulk worked, because it was everything in a single box. GW printed a run, sold it out, and they're done.
I'd really love to see them return to bringing out and supporting a smaller game for a couple years and then moving onto another smaller game like they used to with the specialist line (before it became the specialist line), but with the LotR miniature line in the mix, I just don't see how that realistically happens now.
I really hope that I'm wrong, but if this secret release *does* turn out to be blood bowl, then I'm personally expecting them to include a couple of teams in the box set and then that's it for any kind of support for the game...meaning if you want to use any other team, then you're stuck using the existing model range (assuming they're keeping them in the new 'finecast' era).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hmm... I myself have heard BB rumblings. Forgot about those...
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Post by: Brother SRM
LavuranGuard wrote:they still have the special games version on the shelves of the FLGS, would a new one be any different I wonder?
Why wouldn't it be different? If they just released the old box again I doubt it would sell. If they are redoing Blood Bowl (or hell, any specialist game relaunch) it's probably going to get the Space Hulk treatment.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
yakface wrote:Sure they can come out with a nice shiny new release of the game, but there's no way they're going to sink a bunch of money into making new models for every team when they have no space in their miniature line to carry another game.
That's *why* Space Hulk worked, because it was everything in a single box. GW printed a run, sold it out, and they're done.
That's what I keep telling people.
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Post by: notprop
Of course unless SpHulk performed so well that they want to upgrade the idea to a longer run of "Limited" items.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I bought the bloodbowl video game because it looked fun, but I just couldn't ever get around to playing it. The tabletop game looked fun, but the models were, in my opinion, ass-ugly. I, of course, mean that in the Biblical sense. If they put bloodbowl out as a limited release like spacehulk, made it a decent value for what you get, I'd probably pick it up. Under those conditions, I won't be picking it up, since this is GW we're talking about. If they sold bloodbowl to FFG...I'd be all over that.
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Post by: Manchu
If they do it, I'm down. Even if it won't result in a line, I'm down.
I mean, my Space Hulk is still shrink-wrapped. Sorry, I just can't resist bringing that up.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
BB would be fun, but not my first choice of Specialist games to bring out in a new version (or even third).
That being said, is there going to be more room in stores now that metal is being eliminiated, and the "finecast" is going to be more limited than prior metal ranges?
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Post by: Kroothawk
It is still speculative, esp. as the normal Bloodbowl game is still available in UK. But there is room for improvement of course.
I also hope for Warhammer Quest, would be the natural selection after Space Hulk.
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Post by: Dez
I'm big on Blood Bowl, I personally hope it's more than speculation. So fun!
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Post by: Nicorex
Since we are speculating a bit..
I think it would be pretty sweet if they released a Battlefleet Gothic Seige of Terra limited edition.
With the popularity of the Black Library Hourus Heresy series, I think this would really kick but.
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Post by: Necros
It's gonna be an all new Citadel Finecast Baneblade, with even crisper rivet details.
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Post by: lunarman
Is Warhammer Quest like Talisman? Or are they entirely different things?
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Post by: vitki
Think space hulk meets WHFRP.
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Post by: Hlaine Larkin mk2
In 2007 they wrote rules for 3 more teams for BB but never finalised as them as at the time there were no models for them......
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Post by: Nvs
Wish they would start supporting their other games more. Complimentary rules for the 2 main systems at the very least so we could have smaller skirmish games with current rules that still worked.
And Man O' War and BFG would be top of the list for me. Or xenos rules for space hulk.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Kroothawk wrote:
Reminder: Space Hulk was the 25th anniversary edition
I thought it was 20th...1989 to 2009? Either way I wouldnt expect any other games to get the same treatment until they hit 20 or 25.
According to Warseer Necromunda was Oct 1995, so best bet for a new release would be 2015 or 2020.
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Post by: ceorron
Of course with things like necromunda, bloodbowl and other specialist games in the GW range they could bring out rules for the teams/clans etc and let people convert the models out of the existing GW plastics.
This would work from a business perspective. As it is cost effective as you don't have to make any other models apart from a starter box. This maybe what GW are doing with BloodBowl.
Heck, for GorkaMorka GW don't even have to do that. The ork range is now varied and substancial enough to cover everyones need. All they really need to do is bring the rules up to scratch.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
See I could go for this, even if they only even released the single main box and gave us the two team types inside. Probably Orc and Human.
Would love to see GW's current take on Blood Bowl plastics.
There's little else I'm planning on buying GW this year, (Necrons for the boy if they come out) but this is something I could not ignore. I'd have to get a box (if not two) if its confirmed at a later date.
Hell, I'd be tempted to give them to my brothers as Christmas prezzies, a throwback to the early nineties when we used to do a School Blood Bowl league.
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Post by: SilverMK2
I'd rather they re-release Spacehulk or Warhammer Quest.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Oh I'd prefer Quest, but as a big Blood Bowl fan I'd not mind, plus hopefully Quest will get a look in eventually.
Or even better GW lets FFG do it.
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Post by: Korraz
I agree with yakface and H.B.M.C.
BB cannot be done in a single box. The Special BB release is at best going to be...Finecasts of the old BB miniatures.
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Post by: Sarigar
I'd definiitely pick up Blood Bowl if this were the case. I have some fond memories playing that game in the 90s. Would be a very nice surprise.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Well, I certainly hope it's NOT Blood Bowl, as that would put Warhammer Quest even further away, when it's a much better fit for the recent Space Hulk treatment.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Although I'd love a remake of all the BB teams, because lets be frank some of them look really poor today, in fact I feel a lot of 2nd ed Blood Bowl figs look better than the current.
I really don't see folks at GW having any issue with re-releasing a new version of the big box as a celebration of its history.
A short release, not more teams, just an update, nice new pitch design, and re-design of two teams in the box, most likely Orc and Human.
They'd probably think they where throwing us a bone and should be eternally grateful they even bothered to do up one of the Specalist Games.
So yeah, I don't expect all the teams getting redone, which is a shame, but I could see them just doing the main box as a quick way to make some cash. Hell depending on how they promote it, they don't even need to reference the missing teams, just a 'hey look how awesome these new plastic sculpts are' It's worth the purchase just for them.
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Post by: Alpharius
That is a good idea!
Let FFG take over Blood Bowl - and then we might actually see expansions/new teams/etc.!
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, in fact give FFG the whole danged specialist Games range. Those 'future/alternate reality WW2' Dust? figs prove they can handle detailled miniatures.
If GW have no plans of bringing it back, I'm sure FFG could make some money out of the range.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Space Hulk was out of print for well more than a decade before the 3rd edition splash release. Blood Bowl may not be GW's most accessible product these days, but it's not out of print or completely unavailable. Even if they do another Blood Bowl revision it's not equivalent to the Space Hulk release, not at all.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, although I'm not looking at it like that myself. The only comparrison I'd see with Space Hulk is it being a self contained game in a box.
I have no idea if this rumour is accurate mind, I just don't see any issue with it being a stand alone release. No matter how grating that would be for fans of the other races, myself included.
Hell, I'd not be surprised if the book didn't even mention them in that case rules wise.
Of course with recent production of plastics and vast steps to improve it, they might shock the hell out of everyone and have four teams or even more in there. I must stress I highly doubt that, but its not beyond belief when you look at IoB and AOBR.
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Post by: Necros
They really need to start farming out their specialist games to other companies that can do them right.. or do a whole separate company kinda thing, like FW.
I'd like to see em announce they're gonna reprint the new space hulk and always have it around, and do some expansions with new missions and tiles... and then bring back warhammer quest that's really like the same style game, only fantasy.
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Post by: Kanluwen
SilverMK2 wrote:I'd rather they re-release Spacehulk or Warhammer Quest.
Re-re-release Space Hulk!
Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Kanluwen wrote:Re-re-release Space Hulk!
However, it would only be a re-release of the current edition
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Post by: Necros
That would be great.. Necromunda is my all time favorite GW game, even though I haven't played it since it was new.. me and a friend had 3 sets between us so we could have massive underhives. Now it's all just spare 40k terrain :(
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Post by: XV25
I can only imagine how amazing new Necromunda terrain would look considering how far the quality of their plastics has come since the mid 90's...
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:yakface wrote:Sure they can come out with a nice shiny new release of the game, but there's no way they're going to sink a bunch of money into making new models for every team when they have no space in their miniature line to carry another game.
That's *why* Space Hulk worked, because it was everything in a single box. GW printed a run, sold it out, and they're done.
That's what I keep telling people.
So, kinda what they did to Grind: make it from a build a team game to a board game with minor customization?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Aye, the only reason I haven't taken up Necromunda again is the range is dying a death, in looks and actual models available.
Blood Bowl is worse, Quest doesn't exist unless you want to pay through the nose on ebay. Epic is in ruins and Mordheim is also missing some key figures from the range.
Anything that helps bring life to SG again, would be huge news in my book.
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Post by: col. krazy kenny
Black box special edition Blod Bowl!!! Yeah!!! about time GW is losing alot of the Blood bowl bussiness to thrid party manufactures.Also the CEO has mention a rehash of Blood bowl.They have some of the most dedicated fan base of any of the GW games.i for one i am an NAF member,i run a convention tournament and i am an active in the International players community.They (GW) have mention they want to do the models as multi part plastic kits.Sorry quest fans but BB is a seller not an old defunct Milton Bradley game.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Hey Quest was a GW game, Warhammer Quest is the one we are talking about, Heoquest is fun an all, but not the game folks are lamenting.
Also Been a NAF member myself in the past, have two sets of Block dice from my previous times over there, but not for a while sadly.
As stated Blood Bowl would make me happy, FFG however bringing back most of the SG range would make me dance a jig.
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Post by: Chimaera
I wouldn't be surprised if it was some special box set to accompany the Space Marine game release.
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Post by: Bloodwin
As others have siad the problem with Blood Bowl would be the variety of teams, but it is still actively played at tournaments. They could do a deluxe game with a plastic pitch like a mini realm of battle board. I'd much rather see Warhammer Quest redone. And I'm not in favour of FFG doing it. They have mutilated Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and their minis are duff. The build quality of FFG is nice but they are too fond of weird dice and convoluted rules systems that make you buy into their supplies. I want a simple D6 system.
Warhammer Quest could be cool as they could do expansions for Warhammer armies as they come out. That way even people who cant afford a WHFB army can buy a few Finecast specials and a box of core. if they were being really evil they could do them as digital only expansions behind a subscriber wall. I don't want to see Necromunda ressurected, another minis line would not be good right now. Mordheim might work if they pegged it onto Warhammer Fantasy minis.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Hey Quest was a GW game, Warhammer Quest is the one we are talking about, Heoquest is fun an all, but not the game folks are lamenting.
Easy to see the confusion, though, considering that they both have Quest in the name and the models for both games were sculpted by GW.
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Post by: Flashman
Consider the fact that starter boxes in recent years have included 60+ miniatures. Blood Bowl teams have 11 players a side, so could a new box not include 5 to 6 teams?
As an aside, GW Oxford Street Plaza were selling Blood Bowl (the last edition) a few months ago.
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Post by: Worglock
I loved Blood Bowl as an idea. Hated some of the rules. Especially the one where your turn ends if a guy falls over. That got me right out of it after one game.
If they got rid of that and the "procedure" rule (forgot what it's called, the whole moving your turn counter and junk. I'd try it again. Otherwise. Probably not.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Platuan4th wrote:So, kinda what they did to Grind: make it from a build a team game to a board game with minor customization?
I'm sure the Blood Bowl community would love that.
That was sarcasm.
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Post by: Hellfury
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, in fact give FFG the whole danged specialist Games range. Those 'future/alternate reality WW2' Dust? figs prove they can handle detailled miniatures
While I agree that FFG should be given more leeway in their license in order to handle some games with miniatures playing a more predominant roles (something which is restricted in their current license) DUST is not FFG game. It is "DUST Games" Game.
In other words, FFG are just in charge of publishing and distributing the game. "DUST games" (the company) are the one in charge of hiring the sculptors and other development of the game.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Posted by Erazmus_M_Wattle over at Warseer:
I have it in fairly good authority that the secret release is neither bloodbowl or heroquest. In fact I have it on good authority it's not a specialist game at all.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.
Wait, hold up. Missed this.
Since when, Kan?
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Post by: Hellfury
Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has ABSOLUTELY NO rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog OR ANY OTHER GW GAME WHOSE COMPONENTS PREDOMINANTLY FEATURE MINIATURES.[/quote
FTFY Kan.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Also, Necros: supposedly right now FFG has the rights to all of the Specialist Games catalog. So we might see Necromunda back soon.
Wait, hold up. Missed this.
Since when, Kan?
Supposedly last year sometime. I vaguely remember it coming up during the whole Blood Bowl debacle where GW had hinted at they'd passed the rights on to FFG and had to 'protect FFG's work as a licensee'.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They're making a Blood Bowl card game. That hardly = "all of specialist".
They'd do a much better job than specialist than GW, but as long as that 'no miniature-based games' clause remains, we'll never get good versions of the specialist games.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I have to wonder where that "no miniature based games" clause is coming from.
And if anyone has thought to point out the Horus Heresy game as an example of how it's not likely true.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They are counters for a boardgame.
Making actual miniatures is a completely different thing.
And it's simple - GW doesn't want any competition with 40K/WFB models.
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Post by: Hellfury
Kanluwen wrote:I have to wonder where that "no miniature based games" clause is coming from.
And if anyone has thought to point out the Horus Heresy game as an example of how it's not likely true.
It comes from the actual license agreement between FFG and GW:
"Fantasy Flight Games to Exclusively Publish Board Games, Card Games, and Roleplaying Games based on Games Workshop properties.
Second deal to include Sabertooth Games' Universal Fighting System CCG
Roseville, Minnesota (February 22, 2008) – Fantasy Flight Games (“FFG”) and Games Workshop (“GW”) jointly announced today that they have reached an agreement for Fantasy Flight Games to become the exclusive publisher of board games, card games (including collectible card games), and roleplaying games based on Games Workshop’s family of renowned intellectual properties including Warhammer Fantasy Battles and Warhammer 40,000. Additionally, the deal will grant FFG the exclusive rights to publish new versions of the classic board and
card games titles published by Games Workshop over the last 25 years.
Additionally, a second agreement between the parties will transfer the publication rights and system of the Universal Fighting System CCG, formerly published by Sabertooth Games, to FFG.
“We are just so thrilled to partner with Games Workshop in such an encompassing deal,” said Christian T. Petersen, CEO and founder of FFG. “Not only will we be able to continue the publication of some phenomenal roleplaying, card, and board games currently on the market, but we look forward to creating new games for the popular GW universes!”
In Fantasy Flight Games, we’ve found a partner who shares our passion for gaming and our dedication to producing the highest quality products,” said Andy Jones, Head of Legal and Licensing for Games Workshop. “ The legacy of our board, card, and roleplaying games is in the best possible hands with them, and we are extremely excited about the prospects of seeing some fabulous new games set in our universes as well. ”
"This is the beginning of an exciting new era for the Universal Fighting System," said Stephen Horvath, CEO of Sabertooth Games. “Fantasy Flight Games are the perfect choice to carry on the UFS line, and fans can expect great new content and more fantastic events supporting their favorite CCG going forward. FFG will take over the production of Talisman, and plan to produce a new printing and expansions for the 4th edition of this ever-popular classic board game. Further, FFG will continue production and new-product support for the Universal Fighting System CCG, the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay RPG, and the new smash-hit Dark Heresy RPG. More details on FFG’s publication plans for these titles will be provided in the weeks to come. The agreement does not include certain GW titles in which miniatures feature as the predominant component of of the game, such as Space Hulk and Blood Bowl. The Universal Fighting System CCG will continue to be sold as starter and booster packs in a traditional CCG format. FFG has no current plans to adopt the game to its LCG™ (“Living Card Game”) sales model."
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Post by: Kanluwen
No skin off my back then. 
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Post by: Hellfury
Kanluwen wrote:No skin off my back then.
Nope. Especially when spreading rumors about FFG remaking necromunda.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Hellfury wrote:Kanluwen wrote:No skin off my back then.
Nope. Especially when spreading rumors about FFG remaking necromunda.
Yes because I clearly said it was absolutely 100% going to happen, not using words like "supposedly" or "might".
Get over yourself.
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Post by: Le Grognard
Squats: The Gathering. They've gotten the band back together and they're pissed up and pissed off!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Don't even joke about that Grognard. Someone, somewhere, will take it to be real and there will be accounts to pay come September.
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Post by: Hellfury
Kanluwen wrote:Get over yourself.
Ahh... there's that snuggly soft troll everyone loves to mock.
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Post by: The Decapitator
Isn't this getting a little personal/over the top guys?? Kan does a good job, but if you disagree then fine. But there's no need to carry on like kids.
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Post by: Le Grognard
Kanluwen wrote:Don't even joke about that Grognard. Someone, somewhere, will take it to be real and there will be accounts to pay come September.
You heard it here first!!
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Post by: Manchu
Please keep Rule Number One in mind. Not every little barn needs a response, gentlemen.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Barn?
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Post by: terribletrygon
It is a place you put animals in.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Kroothawk wrote:Posted by Erazmus_M_Wattle over at Warseer:
I have it in fairly good authority that the secret release is neither bloodbowl or heroquest. In fact I have it on good authority it's not a specialist game at all.
Surely not Trolls in the Pantry???
@Hellfury - ah my bad, didn't make the connection, assumed it was FFG's baby.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
terribletrygon wrote:It is a place you put animals in.
Thank you.
*glares*
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Post by: terribletrygon
No problem man! 
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Post by: Dysartes
Worglock wrote:I loved Blood Bowl as an idea. Hated some of the rules. Especially the one where your turn ends if a guy falls over. That got me right out of it after one game.
If they got rid of that and the "procedure" rule (forgot what it's called, the whole moving your turn counter and junk. I'd try it again. Otherwise. Probably not.
The second rule you mention is "Illegal Procedure" - I know if I were playing against you you get two warnings before I actually apply it. If you can't remember to move your turn counter on after two warnings, then you probably deserve to start losing rerolls, though losing your whole turn is kinda harsh.
Dropping the "You fumbled - turnover" rule would stop it being Blood Bowl, to my mind - structuring your turn to minimise the risk of a turnover, while still working towards a touchdown, is one of the key elements of the game.
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Post by: skrulnik
Dysartes wrote:Worglock wrote:I loved Blood Bowl as an idea. Hated some of the rules. Especially the one where your turn ends if a guy falls over. That got me right out of it after one game.
If they got rid of that and the "procedure" rule (forgot what it's called, the whole moving your turn counter and junk. I'd try it again. Otherwise. Probably not.
The second rule you mention is "Illegal Procedure" - I know if I were playing against you you get two warnings before I actually apply it. If you can't remember to move your turn counter on after two warnings, then you probably deserve to start losing rerolls, though losing your whole turn is kinda harsh.
Dropping the "You fumbled - turnover" rule would stop it being Blood Bowl, to my mind - structuring your turn to minimise the risk of a turnover, while still working towards a touchdown, is one of the key elements of the game.
Illegal Procedure has been dropped in competition in most US tournaments. As a result in my league, we play without it.
Yes, the turn over rules would change the game dramatically.
Learning when to make a roll, or when to say "good enough" is a key skill good players learn.
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Post by: mikeyboyj
Would be great if they re-release some kind of special edition of BB - so long as there were no rules changes. IMO its the closest thing GW have ever got to a flawless rules set.
Amazing game
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Post by: Slinky
Oi! Dat's My Leg!
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Post by: Savis
Hmmm... seems strange to do the "special release" treatment of a game that's readily available. The Space Hulk release was great and I was seriously hoping for something similar. I already have BB with 5 (or is it 6) painted teams so it has to be something exceptional for me to buy a new release.
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Post by: Lorek
H.B.M.C. wrote:Barn?
Heh, I think he meant "barb". I like "barn" better, though.
I just hope that it's an actual game and not some lame "Space Marine Bathroom Set -- Includes Toothbrush Holder, Soap Dish and Toilet-Scrubbing Chainsword".
Maybe we'll see Tyranid Attack again, but with minis? I can't see it being anything BUT a self-contained boardgame, like Space Hulk.
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Post by: Theophony
Could always be an expansion of space hulk with more gribblies, and the blood angels get necron allies to support previous background.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
A remake of the Deathwing expansion expanded, with the main characters/figures to the standard of the Space Hulk Blood Angels would make me very happy.
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Post by: nectarprime
Maybe it's that Fantasy expansion they're been talking about?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
nectarprime wrote:Maybe it's that Fantasy expansion they're been talking about?
You mean the one in July? It's probably not the September mystery release, no.
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Post by: nectarprime
lord_blackfang wrote:nectarprime wrote:Maybe it's that Fantasy expansion they're been talking about?
You mean the one in July? It's probably not the September mystery release, no.
Ah, didn't know they said it would be July, my bad.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:A remake of the Deathwing expansion expanded, with the main characters/figures to the standard of the Space Hulk Blood Angels would make me very happy.
...I would buy two. Maybe three, depending on just how nice the Deathwing models look.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Kanluwen wrote:Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:A remake of the Deathwing expansion expanded, with the main characters/figures to the standard of the Space Hulk Blood Angels would make me very happy.
...I would buy two. Maybe three, depending on just how nice the Deathwing models look.
+1
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Post by: fullheadofhair
An Ork expansion to Space Hulk - lets see some ork models given the same treatment as 'nids and SM. Ork v's 'nid would be fun, as would Ork v's SM or if you are the experimenting type you could even try a three way (oh, hello - guess who has just regressed to being 12).
If not an expansion for SH, I would like to see a complete box set of epic with two large armies in it.
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Post by: vitki
Death By Monkeys wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:A remake of the Deathwing expansion expanded, with the main characters/figures to the standard of the Space Hulk Blood Angels would make me very happy.
...I would buy two. Maybe three, depending on just how nice the Deathwing models look.
+1
+2 to this
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Post by: Dysartes
skrulnik wrote:Illegal Procedure has been dropped in competition in most US tournaments. As a result in my league, we play without it.
If you're playing in a tournament, and can't remember to move your turn counter at the start of the turn, I think you're in the wrong place.....
I can understand - and agree with - giving some leeway to new players, but that's ridiculous.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Some more food for speculation from Warseer threads:
GodlessM wrote:Well I have mentioned a few times earlier in the year that Bloodbowl was being redone at some stage.
Harry wrote:I was just bouncing of other people with my comments.
Some one said there is a super secret release ....
I know BloodBowl is in the mixer somewhere ... has been for a long time (Look back at the Watchman! ) Given I knew it was 25 years it made some kind of sense that this might be a good year to release Bloodbowl. I heard a few years ago that Jervis was keen to do some sort of anniversary edition.
But I have also heard a lot of talk about Quest and .....
Believe it or not ....
Man-O-War.
But given the length of time it took SpaceHulk to appear from when I first heard about it ... I doesn't mean I am expecting these any time soon.
Talking of SpaceHulk I also heard about an expansion to that.
But I know nothing for certain beyond there is a super secret something.
For all I know it could be the chicken dragon redux.
Harry wrote:Although I think there is another VERY big kit coming this year.
ghost21 wrote:its fantasy related
N1AK wrote:I was told it would be Man-O-War late last year, I trust the source enough to believe him and to be willing to look like a fool if it isn't.
Crovax20 wrote:Man-O-War? Sorry GW, your late. Already playing Uncharted Seas instead.
ghost21 wrote:i see no ships
(...)
though from what ive heard specialist games will completely go
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Kroothawk wrote:
though from what ive heard specialist games will completely go
Games Day USA will be, for the first time, running Specialist Games intros this year...
Make of that what you will.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=300002§ion=community&aId=5800004a
games workshop wrote:
Games Day is first and foremost a celebration of the Games Workshop hobby. Today this hobby has exploded into a global community and vibrant culture. Whether you are a current hobbyist or curious about the Games Workshop world, Games Day provides an atmosphere for those old and young to learn more about this unique hobby, partake in various extraordinary events, and share in wonderful experiences that unite this common hobby with people across the globe.
This years Games Day will be in Chicago
Donald Stephens Convention Center
July 30th, 2011, 10am-6pm
Hotel info at bottom of page.
****Tickets On Sale here!****
• NEW - Massive Storm of Magic game
• NEW - Armies on Parade North American Finals
• NEW - Monster Conversion Contest - Bring your Monstrous conversion to Games Day and enter to win the first ever Monster Conversion contest.
• NEW - Realm of Battle Board Paint & Raffle (now a Warhammer table too!) - Take part in painting a huge Warhammer or 40k Terrain Game Table and earn your chance to take a section home.
• NEW - Specialist Game Intros
• NEW - Apocalypse Mega Game
• NEW - Big Vehicle Battle
• NEW - Awesome new Display Tables
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Post by: Kroothawk
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
though from what ive heard specialist games will completely go
Games Day USA will be, for the first time, running Specialist Games intros this year...
Make of that what you will.
False quotes like that can be harmful to my reputation. Last time they made the round to BolS and Blood of Kittens.
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Post by: Le Grognard
It wouldn't surprise me if they did Man-O-War because of the success Spartan Games has had with Uncharted Seas. It would be foolish to try to get a piece of that market now, but this is GW were talking about.
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Post by: Achaylus72
I have it on good authority from someone in GW Australia management that the September release will be Apocalypse related.
The release will be a Imperial Warhound Titan and a Chaos Warhound Titan.
While it would give the specialist gamers a filip to have games like Bloodbowl and others, the fact is that these games can't be sold in their Bricks and Mortar Stores.
Why? because they generally don't have the shelf space, or there is the only option and that is to kill off LoTR's as a store product.
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Post by: Goddard
Warhammer Quest. Please God.
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Post by: filbert
So according to Warseer rumours it will either be BloodBowl, Man O War, Warhammer Quest or an expansion to Space Hulk?
Talk about hedging your bets....
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Post by: Piousman
filbert wrote:So according to Warseer rumours it will either be BloodBowl, Man O War, Warhammer Quest or an expansion to Space Hulk?
Talk about hedging your bets....
Or something else entirely. 50-50 chance.
- Piousman
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Post by: Alpharius
An expansion to a game that isn't in print anymore?
We can probably rule that one out...
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Post by: BrookM
Besides, Space Hulk already included bits and bobs from various expansions (assault cannon and psychic powers to name two)
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Post by: Alpharius
Good point - and probably even more 'evidence' that it will not be a Space Hulk expansion!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Or is it even more evidence that it will be a Space Hulk expansion because of how well the first did?
You decide, Internets!
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Post by: Alpharius
If they are not re-releasing the 'original' Space Hulk, I think the Internet will so "Nope, don't think so!"
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Post by: Kanluwen
Or the 'expansion' could be the original Space Hulk but with Deathwing rather than Blood Angels.
It'd be brilliant. Not only would they get a good lead-in for a Dark Angels codex redo--but it'd also be another chance for Marine hate! It's got GW written all over it!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Included with it will be a brief one-page full colour note that says:
"If you didn't buy the original Space Hulk, too bad."
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Post by: BrookM
An expansion for a limited release game sounds stupid, but after these last few weeks anything* is possible. Personally I am hoping for Quest or Blood Bowl, either will do nicely.
* Well, almost anything mind you. Still gotta see J.C. tap dance on a life raft, but other than that..
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Post by: Harry
filbert wrote:So according to Warseer rumours it will either be BloodBowl, Man O War, Warhammer Quest or an expansion to Space Hulk?
Talk about hedging your bets....
Thats about the size of it.
Or at least it was 24 hours ago.
But in fact it is none of those.
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Post by: filbert
Harry wrote:filbert wrote:So according to Warseer rumours it will either be BloodBowl, Man O War, Warhammer Quest or an expansion to Space Hulk?
Talk about hedging your bets....
Thats about the size of it.
Or at least it was 24 hours ago.
But in fact it is none of those.
Well that's a darn shame because I have been championing Man O war 'ere these last few weeks....
Please go on oh wise internet swami.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Maybe I started this thread too early. More quotes from Warseer:
Harry wrote:It is NOT Blood Bowl.
Sorry.
It was a wild swing at a pitch that I should have left.
ghost21 wrote:its not WHQ
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Post by: Goddard
Kanluwen wrote:You decide, Internets!
I am not an internets! I am a man!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I think Battlefleet Gothic.
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Post by: Lorek
My money's still on Tyranid Attack.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
ghost21 wrote:its not WHQ
Now I'm sad...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Harry wrote:filbert wrote:So according to Warseer rumours it will either be BloodBowl, Man O War, Warhammer Quest or an expansion to Space Hulk?
Talk about hedging your bets....
Thats about the size of it.
Or at least it was 24 hours ago.
But in fact it is none of those.
C'mon Harry, you can tell us here at Dakka. We'll give pie and cupcakes.
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Post by: Uktabi
I have been told by a high ranking GW cat, the specialist game this year is Warhammer Quest based on Space Hulk sales.
That they weren't gunna do anything until they saw how Space Hulk sold, and what can we use figs we already have with cardboard map... hmmm. Meh I look forward to whatever they do and I have salted this rumor heavily.
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Post by: Pacific
Necromunda or Mordheim then? As there are demo games at GD US this year of specialist games, surely they wouldn't be doing those without some kind of re-release?
Maybe the company has finally listened to some of the criticism and put some effort into a skirmish sized game?
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Post by: Goddard
So much secrecy : |
I can understand it being fun to have a mystery project going on, but when EVERYTHING is a mystery project, it gets old really fast. Plus, it makes it frustrating for retailers. I hope...my hope is not wasted for WHQ.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I tend to think Warhammer Quest would be the best suited...though I enjoyed Heroquest more... even with all the extra miniatures/characters that were released for Warhammer Quest, those consolidated into a core game box isn't too unreasonable. Necromunda, Mordheim, BFG, Man-o-war, and BB... struggle from being of that era where GW insisted on games selling sets of miniatures after the fact and thus we can never really have self contained versions of those games.
Oh-oh-oh... maybe it could be Battlecars... but what I'm really hoping is its a remake of "Oi! Dat's My Leg!"... just hope they update that cassette to CD.
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Goddard wrote:So much secrecy : |
I can understand it being fun to have a mystery project going on, but when EVERYTHING is a mystery project, it gets old really fast. Plus, it makes it frustrating for retailers. I hope...my hope is not wasted for WHQ.
Its not secrecy... its just GW's been internally playtesting for the last 10 years Jervis Johnson's 2nd edition updated rule set to the "Quiet-game Extreme ( TM 2011)." I hear they've almost got all the kinks worked out... or maybe I didn't.
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Post by: Kroothawk
More options ruled out:
Harry wrote:El Antiguo Guardián wrote:Coff Coff Heroquest Coff Coff...
Coff Coff Nope Coff Coff.
ghost21 wrote:El Antiguo Guardián wrote:Coff Coff Mordheim Coff Coff? 
cough no cough
(I wish it was )
So all obvious candidates are out, it seems (even the most wanted options, although some seem in the works)
What does it leave? Warhammer Siege? Unlikely after the big magic supplement.
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Post by: Lunchb0x
why not necromunda? please gw give us back the old minis or at least some better quality ones then the ones you replaced!
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Post by: BrookM
It would be a real zinger if it turned out to be Inquisitor. 
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Post by: cortez
Necromunda!!!!
With some wicked new terrain!!
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Post by: SickSix
Secret surprise Tau codex update!!!
/wishful thinking
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Post by: Dysartes
Gorkamorka could be amusing - and provide for a new Ork vehicle kit or two, maybe.....
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Post by: TBD
Whatever it is, let's hope it's not a "finecast" product
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Post by: Alpharius
Necromunda is the new leader in the clubhouse then?
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Post by: TBD
Or maybe this Ghost21 is wrong and it actually is Warhammer Quest.
But Necromunda would be cool too. As long as it is some sort of skirmish game I'll probably be happy.
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Post by: Goddard
As long as it kicks ass, I won't care actually.
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Post by: Alpharius
Necromunda still doesn't 'make sense' for a 'one and done' release...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Of course it doesn't, but the mistake we're making is assuming that anything GW does makes any sense.
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Post by: Achaylus72
It will not be a specialist game related release, mainly due to the fact all specialist games are direct only purchese, i have walked intl at least 6 GW in my local area and i have never seen one specialist game product on any of their shelves for at least 6 years, and quite frankly kids are not interested in the Specialist games, they want off the shelf stuff, also modern GW stores just do not have the space to have 40000K, Fantasy, Lord of the Rings accessories, books and other stuff as many don't have storerooms to keep stuff in "Back".
As i have previously stated according to someone i spoke to in GW Australia management, the September "Secret Release" will be Apocalypse related, now what can they release for this well, i have been told that it will be Imperial and Chaos related and it will be an Imperial/Chaos Warhound Titan.
Now even with inside knowledge it still is a rumour until proved, but what was told to me is that Specialist Games just don't sell well in Australia (to be fair apart from Blood Bowl) and a few other regions, the September "Secret Release" must be tied in with GW Core Product Lines as these are popular the world over.
I am always right until proven otherwise.
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Post by: Starfarer
TBD wrote:But Necromunda would be cool too. As long as it is some sort of skirmish game I'll probably be happy.
Yeah, Necromunda would be sweet, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. The original system still holds up today and I don't see GW going all "hobby" on us with Specialist Games releases over the newest, shiny thing that will sell to everyone.
Still, and skirmish game release would be awesome. I would speculate something like this would be held over until 6th edition and be added in the rulebook, or made an expansion, but that's assuming they would do something with skirmish rules in the first place.
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Post by: Nvs
A smaller scale port from the 40k game to compete more evenly with Warmahordes would be a good idea on GW's part. A necromunda style game that used the standard 40k line would be great.
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Post by: schadenfreude
Nvs wrote:A smaller scale port from the 40k game to compete more evenly with Warmahordes would be a good idea on GW's part. A necromunda style game that used the standard 40k line would be great.
Warmachine/Hordes is on a larger scale than a 40k kill team mission and a much smaller scale than 40k. With one book they could include 2nd edition 40k/necromnunda style rulebook for playing 40k in on a warmachine/hordes scale battle. Besides having existing model lines to compete with warmachine/hordes it would help draw new players into normal full scale 40k that would normally be put off by the cost of a 2,000 point army.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
BrookM wrote:It would be a real zinger if it turned out to be Inquisitor.
That would be sweet.
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Post by: Acardia
I love necromunda, and the system was left decent. I think it's not a one and done system, but I think the easiest to farm out to fans to expand. I think multiposable kits could fit in the IG or LATD lines so would be smart to encourage mini usage to fit common needs.
However I am curious. WHQ seems lame, as does an expansion for SH. BFG was fun ages ago, and I no longer have me orks.Mordheim would be cool as necromunda, and as far as BB is concerned Meh.
Inquisitor.. I liked, but only for painting, I played one or two times and enjoyed, but sadly only scratched the surface of that game.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Re-releasing Inquisitor would put them in competition with FFG's own line of 40K games.
And that means that it is exactly what GW will do.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
H.B.M.C. wrote:Re-releasing Inquisitor would put them in competition with FFG's own line of 40K games.
And that means that it is exactly what GW will do.
Inquisitor is a combat system with miniatures, FFG does classic rpgs. I don't see how that would put them in competition. In fact, having an alternate combat system for Inquisitor and/or a good source of highly detailed, customizable miniatures would most likely increase gains for both companies.
Not that it would happen, sadly...
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Post by: GAZ_NZ
A freind of mine who runs a gaming club here in NZ, speaks to Jervis via e-mail occasionally and was told about Epic being rereleased.
He was told this 4 months ago.
Id imagine it will probably be in Resin,using alot of the Forge world moulds they have for Epic like Tau.
Alot of GW Epic stuff was metal.
Likely it will be that.
Timing seems right on considering there new change to Resin.
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Post by: frozenwastes
The only news I want:
They hired a new game designer to redesign 40k on the sly. It won't be compatible with current army books and is designed first and foremost for a good gaming experience and not as an aid to selling miniatures. It will give a deep and enjoyable play experience whether you're playing with 10 miniatures or 100. It will include new starter boxes for each army that will be around the $50-70 range.
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Post by: AvatarForm
Kroothawk wrote:Didn't want to start a thread on what could be the "special release" in September (see stickied release schedule), but now we have a hint by Harry:
Harry wrote:CitizenNick wrote:Anyone who is friends with GW on facebook may have noticed how much they've been talking about Blood Bowl lately. Jervis mentioned it in standard bearer a couple months back. And it was mentioned in a "what's new today" post not long ago.
Is this a hint at what's coming in September?
Well it may be nothing .... but Jervis wrote the first edition of BloodBowl in 1986 ....
Do the maths.
Reminder: Space Hulk was the 25th anniversary edition
(Warhammer Quest missed its 15th anniversary last year)
Do you have a link?
I would like to read the thread in context.
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Post by: Inquisitor Earl
If it was a plastic titan I think they would sell pretty well. How many of us could really say no to something like that? It would give enough time for kids to get excited and get their parents to buy it for Christmas.
I'm hoping for more plastic fliers as I'm playing Aeronautica 40k scale, but that's just a wish. Wasn't there a rumour about a plastic thunderbolt?
Suppose it could be a thunderhawk also. That's be nice.
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Post by: Hyenajoe
I firmly believe in a Warhammer Quest release.
It can't be a Specialist Games release because all of these games relied on whole ranges of products, while Warhammer Quest, like Space Hulk doesn't need extra releases: it's a full game box.
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Post by: Thrax
It will almost certainly be Warhammer Quest, besides I have heard of the WQ being in the works for awhile now.
I shudder at the thought of the plastic titan. God only knows what GW would ask for one of those. Probably a kidney, your first born, a gonad or two, and all of your grandmother's jewels.
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Post by: Sidstyler
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold at the same price, or maybe about $50 cheaper, with the reason being that now it's in plastic it makes assembly and conversion sooo much easier that the added cost is worth it.
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Post by: Kroothawk
AvatarForm wrote:Do you have a link?
I would like to read the thread in context.
You know how Warseer works: They quickly shoved the news thread to general discussions and deleted it two days afterwards.
Be quick to read the second thread on that topic: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305049
(it just got shoved to general discussion, so you have one or two days )
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Post by: nosferatu1001
A plastic titan is...unlikely. Forming that complex a 3D shape out of essentially 2D plastic pieces? I know the CAD for modelling has come a long way, but i just cant see it.
Dont get me wrong - I'd love one. I need another chaos one and im NOT building those frigging feet again (gah!) to do it - i just doubt it.
Plus it would be aorund the £120 mark, making it a very expensive purchase. Far less than FW, but still....
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Post by: AvatarForm
Kroothawk wrote:AvatarForm wrote:Do you have a link?
I would like to read the thread in context.
You know how Warseer works: They quickly shoved the news thread to general discussions and deleted it two days afterwards.
Be quick to read the second thread on that topic: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305049
(it just got shoved to general discussion, so you have one or two days )
Cool thanks.
They tend to hide threads according to the last post, rather than what the general topic is.
You will find the Malifaux P&M blogs in the Fantasy section...
The general gist is now that it will NOT be WQuest...
Though I honestly would not mind if it were BB or WQ
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Post by: Kroothawk
Yes, Bloodbowl or Warhammer Quest would be the best choices economically, but knowing the management, they might revive the economic flop Man O'War just to harm Spartan Games (and then see that they can't and raise prices for the rest even more).
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Post by: Snord
Manchu wrote:I mean, my Space Hulk is still shrink-wrapped. Sorry, I just can't resist bringing that up.
Mine too. Won't we look like idiots when it's re-released... Automatically Appended Next Post: GAZ_NZ wrote:A freind of mine who runs a gaming club here in NZ, speaks to Jervis via e-mail occasionally and was told about Epic being rereleased.
He was told this 4 months ago.
Id imagine it will probably be in Resin,using alot of the Forge world moulds they have for Epic like Tau.
Alot of GW Epic stuff was metal.
Likely it will be that.
Timing seems right on considering there new change to Resin.
I don't think re-releasing Epic is a good idea. GW should capitalise on their big range of AFV's, and do a new game that focuses on armoured combat, in a scale somewhere between WH40k and Epic. That would mean large scale battles that are a bit more credible than the traffic jams you see in WH40k, but the models would be large enough to interest the 'hobbyists'. And they'd be directly competing with FoW's fanbase. It won't happen, of course. And I realise this is a bit OT.
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Post by: Miraclefish
Achaylus72 wrote:It will not be a specialist game related release, mainly due to the fact all specialist games are direct only purchese, i have walked intl at least 6 GW in my local area and i have never seen one specialist game product on any of their shelves for at least 6 years, and quite frankly kids are not interested in the Specialist games
The entirely sold-out run of Space Hulk begs to differ...
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Post by: Erasoketa
I would love a Hero Quest or Warhammer Quest release.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Achaylus72 wrote:
The release will be a Imperial Warhound Titan and a Chaos Warhound Titan.
Yeah, and it will be $300...and people will buy it, because even at $300 it will still be cheaper than FW.
In all seriousness, if it is made it will be expensive. Ill love seeing GWs hype as to why players need 2 or 3 of then, pay no attention to the cost, you need at least 2 of them.
Yeah, if they made it, and it was much cheaper than the FW version, Id buy it. Ive got a collection of 28mm mecha started, and theres always room for one more.
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Post by: Alpharius
I don't think any plastic Titan/Thunderhawk/Big Warmachine Thing will ever be 'limited edition' though.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Miraclefish wrote:The entirely sold-out run of Space Hulk begs to differ...
Space Hulk never was and never will be a 'Specialist Game'.
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Post by: Hokiecow
Couldn't they update the specialist game to use existing Fantasy and 40K models? Then GW could include a few specialized mini's in the box and tips on how you can make existing mini's (from WH or 40K) to use with the specialist game. GW could release sprue for each race to convert models for the specialist game. In the case of BB, a few arms either holding a ball or a stuff arm. Then there would be no reason to release all new models for each team and it could support WH and 40K.
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Post by: RaptorsTalon
Hokiecow wrote:Couldn't they update the specialist game to use existing Fantasy and 40K models? Then GW could include a few specialized mini's in the box and tips on how you can make existing mini's (from WH or 40K) to use with the specialist game. GW could release sprue for each race to convert models for the specialist game. In the case of BB, a few arms either holding a ball or a stuff arm. Then there would be no reason to release all new models for each team and it could support WH and 40K.
This would be great, especialy if they brought inquisitor to 28mm. I would defiantly play.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Re-releasing Inquisitor would put them in competition with FFG's own line of 40K games.
And that means that it is exactly what GW will do.
You know what would be cool?
A "Dark Heresy" boxed set. With sprues of alien types, generic Inquisitorial agents, etc packaged with the rulebook.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Kanluwen wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Re-releasing Inquisitor would put them in competition with FFG's own line of 40K games.
And that means that it is exactly what GW will do.
You know what would be cool?
A "Dark Heresy" boxed set. With sprues of alien types, generic Inquisitorial agents, etc packaged with the rulebook.
Now that would be cool.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kanluwen wrote:You know what would be cool?
A "Dark Heresy" boxed set. With sprues of alien types, generic Inquisitorial agents, etc packaged with the rulebook.
Wishful thinking methinks, but I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
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Post by: candy.man
H.B.M.C. wrote:Kanluwen wrote:You know what would be cool?
A "Dark Heresy" boxed set. With sprues of alien types, generic Inquisitorial agents, etc packaged with the rulebook.
Wishful thinking methinks, but I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
Wishful thinking indeed but an awesome idea nonetheless.
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Post by: Hans Chung-Otterson
Tailgunner wrote:Manchu wrote:I mean, my Space Hulk is still shrink-wrapped. Sorry, I just can't resist bringing that up.
Mine too. Won't we look like idiots when it's re-released...
Why in the ever-loving world would you buy Space Hulk and then not play it (unless you bought two, of course)?
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Post by: Alpharius
This thread is starting to turn into a Wishlist - it might be time to close it down until we get some more actual news/rumors...
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Post by: Mad4Minis
I better get a few $$ stashed away, if its Warhammer Quest Ill have to buy one. Really, have to...it will be mandated by the wife. She loves WHQ.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Just to remind everyone discounting Warhammer Quest, don't forget GW outright lied last time saying it was not Space Hulk, so I would not dismiss anything.
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Post by: Breotan
Okay, I guess it's time for me to step up and some fuel to this thread. My information is based on one of those infamous "red shirt" sources so take it as you will.
Basically, I was sitting at the paint table with a couple other guys, hobbying away when an unnamed GW employee asked if we knew anything about what was coming out this September. We said no and he said that two years ago GW released Space Hulk and last year they did Island of Blood. He said there was "something" in the pipeline and that there was a large container of boxes scheduled to go out in September. He pulled this cheese-eating grin and asked us what we thought it might be. Hmmm....
- Talisman was immediately ruled out as that's no longer being published by GW.
- We also dismissed a replacement for AoBR as 6th is too far away and that's when they'd revamp the 40k starter set.
- Blood Bowl was brought up but quickly dismissed as it was a) a Specialist Game and there's no way in hell GW will support those if they can avoid it, and b) has way to many figures (i.e., teams) to fit into a one-off release. We also decided that no other Specialist Games product would fit the bill.
This pretty much leaves HeroQuest as the frontrunner for a September release. It has strong chance since it's basically Space Hulk for Fantasy. Similar cardboard tile and counters configuration plus a limited number of available figures to produce means it's easily done as a one-off release.
Naturally, our "red shirt" friend wouldn't actually give us anything concrete to go on, other than heavily implying that a special release was, indeed scheduled for September.
So, as far as unsubstantiated rumors go, what do you guys think? Was this "red shirt" jerking us around? Is this more of GW messing with us by flooding the fan base with baseless rumors? Or... is this the real thing?
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Post by: filbert
In all honesty, he probably knows about as much as any of us do...
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I love how the Space Hulk release 2 years ago now fuels the "there's a mystery release in September" every year. It's rubbish, which is not to say they'll never do anything like that again, only that it's rubbish that Space Hulk indicates that every year there will be a "secret" release every September. For one thing, core game starter sets (AoBR and Island of Blood) were the September releases after the main rule book updates for the Warhammer games and since IoB was last year that already squashes the idea that September is always a "mystery box" though there were silly rumors of one last year till IoB's release date was announced.
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Post by: Alpharius
Heroquest?
No way!
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Hmm, Mordheim would make some sense here. It's miniature line is almost perfectly compatible with existing WFB armies and plastic warbands of 10 miniatures you could use all over your army as champions ans heroes would fly off the shelves. Then there's the scenery line GW seems keen on and Mordheim kinds needs lots of that.
Yeah, I know WHQ is still more likely considering the success of SH, but I'd pounce on a re-released Mordheim like a blood crazed jagular.
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Post by: Breotan
His Master's Voice wrote:Hmm, Mordheim would make some sense here. It's miniature line is almost perfectly compatible with existing WFB armies and plastic warbands of 10 miniatures you could use all over your army as champions ans heroes would fly off the shelves. Then there's the scenery line GW seems keen on and Mordheim kinds needs lots of that.
Yeah, I know WHQ is still more likely considering the success of SH, but I'd pounce on a re-released Mordheim like a blood crazed jagular.
Two things wrong with your assesment, MMV. First, Mordheim is a Specialist Game and unless GW turns 180 degrees, we aren't seeing a new release of any of them any time soon. Second, it is designed around more than two sides or armies and given that the September suprise is supposedly a one-off release, it just doesn't work.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Breotan wrote:Two things wrong with your assesment, MMV. First, Mordheim is a Specialist Game and unless GW turns 180 degrees, we aren't seeing a new release of any of them any time soon.
I wasn't aware GW publicly stated no Specialist Game will ever be re-released in any form. I mean, I can see why they wouldn't want to unnecessarily waste resources on those if they thought it wouldn't be productive investment, but they need to do something with them once in a while just to keep the trademarks, right?
Breotan wrote:Second, it is designed around more than two sides or armies and given that the September suprise is supposedly a one-off release, it just doesn't work.
Shame. WHQ ends up the last one standing then.
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Post by: Myrthe
I would think, given the recent interest in and releases of "Dungeon Crawl" type games, GW would join the party with something they've already done very well ... Warhammer Quest.
..or it could be Bomberz Over Da Sulfur River
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Post by: shingouki
HERO QUEST rocked when i was younger,i've even been looking at buying it again(ebay)to play with my kids.This would be a great release imo.Fingers crossed.I thought M+B made it though not Citadel/GW
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Post by: proditorcappela
Has anyone mentioned Space Crusade yet? If they wanted to expand on the success of Space Hulk, I could see them duplicating history and releasing SC again in a new updated format. It would also allow them to make even more marines, which would make GW happy.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
shingouki wrote:HERO QUEST rocked when i was younger,i've even been looking at buying it again(ebay)to play with my kids.This would be a great release imo.Fingers crossed.I thought M+B made it though not Citadel/GW
MB made the game with the figures coming from Citadel and licence from GW, same for Space Crusade...but then Advanced Heroquest and Advanced Space Crusade were completely GW offerings.
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Post by: Kirasu
HeroQuest seems unlikely to me considering they'd probably use fantasy flight to partially design/publish the game and they already have a game called Descent which is basically HeroQuest
Maybe the surprise is that they're giving us a month off from them making another boneheaded move!
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Post by: Breotan
Kirasu wrote:HeroQuest seems unlikely to me considering they'd probably use fantasy flight to partially design/publish the game...
Why? GW didn't go that route with Space Hulk.
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Post by: Kirasu
It's pretty obvious there is a link between the space hulk release and fantasy flight. Not to mention GW's strong business relationship with them. I dont see a product that is basically descent with a different name being very popular for either
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Post by: warspawned
Warhammer Quest is more likely than Heroquest as it was the successor to Heroquest (why go a step backwards?) - also the release of new Monsters (like the Cockatrice and other randoms) and single figure plastic kits shown in the new wizards (think the same but for Warriors) would help Quest, as would their big Warhammer push this year with Storm of Magic.
Unlike Bloodbowl & Mordheim etc, Quest has all the supported models (apart from some warriors) so all they'd have to release is the box and treasure cards etc...
IF there is a special september release I hope to God and every other deity it is Warhammer Quest - nothing else makes sense for me right now and I don't want it to 
It's pretty obvious there is a link between the space hulk release and fantasy flight.
There's no link between Space Hulk and Fantasy Flight. Fantasy Flight does not carry a license for any GW game that requires miniatures - that's why they've done Fury of Dracula, Talisman & Horus Heresy - at most they would do sculpted counters (like they did for Horus Heresy). If anything Warhammer Quest would help WFRP and vice-versa - Warhammer Quest was a great entry point into roleplaying and a lot of roleplayer's like to use miniatures to supplement their games.
Warhammer Quest would also be a great entry point into Warhammer - if they chose to support it for long enough rather than going for a limited edition release.
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Post by: Kirasu
There's no link between Space Hulk and Fantasy Flight. Fantasy Flight does not carry a license for any GW game that requires miniatures - that's why they've done Fury of Dracula, Talisman & Horus Heresy - at most they would do sculpted counters (like they did for Horus Heresy). If anything Warhammer Quest would help WFRP and vice-versa - Warhammer Quest was a great entry point into roleplaying and a lot of roleplayer's like to use miniatures to supplement their games.
How can you say there is no link? Yes FF may not be directly publishing space hulk but they did make a card game based on it, and they DO release miniatures for their GW games such as chaos in the old world, etc, etc.. Are they 28mm 40k versions? No, but that does not mean there isnt an overall relationship
Business relationships are far more complex than that. Again FF and GW have a very obvious relationship that is designed to BENEFIT both companies. If GW did redo Heroquest or warhammer quest they would probably ask FF to do a lot of the work as they have for a ton of stuff. What would the purpose be in such a product when they have descent? Thats my point
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Post by: Alpharius
It has got to be Warhammer Quest - right?
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Kirasu wrote:Business relationships are far more complex than that. Again FF and GW have a very obvious relationship that is designed to BENEFIT both companies. If GW did redo Heroquest or warhammer quest they would probably ask FF to do a lot of the work as they have for a ton of stuff. What would the purpose be in such a product when they have descent? Thats my point
Why would FFG work on anything WHQ related? They didn't do anything on the SH release AFAIK, and WHQ is pretty much the same thing. A small rules brush up, new miniatures, card tiles and off you go. All done "in house". Having publishing deals with FFG will not stop GW from releasing just about anything, including Descent lookalikes, if it could potentially bring profit.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Alpharius wrote:It has got to be Warhammer Quest - right?
I hope so, I pray to every little scaled head of the Hydra it will be so, I really do.
Although as odd as it sounds, as in really unlikely as it seems to go against the fact Heroquest was a MB collaberation. A redone Heroquest, with current GW standard mini's and furniture could be pretty awesome.
Of course Quest even with just the four starter heroes does make more sense. As like someone mentioned, it would open up potential purchases. I for one, would probably be dipping back into the Warhammer fantasy range for monsters and evil races to put up against the heroes if it was Warhammer Quest.
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Post by: Gavin Thorne
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Of course Quest even with just the four starter heroes does make more sense. As like someone mentioned, it would open up potential purchases.
Heresy!!!! Burn the unbeliever! Everyone knows that GW special releases are limited editions that will never make more money than the initial pre-order and release! Why do we need or want Space Hulk expansions, let alone ANY specialist game? Making sense is for the traitor and xenos... burn the witch! Burn!
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Sadly although I'd love to see expansions for it, I know it would be just the main box.
Additional purchases I am referring to, would of course be monsters, Goblin heroes and the like, going on the basis they'd redo the bestiary.
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Post by: Breotan
Alpharius wrote:It has got to be Warhammer Quest - right?
It doesn't have to be but right now it's the most likely candidate we can think of. Hell, it could very well be BotSR for all we know (Oh, God, I hope not). Then again it's just as possible they'll come out with some new for LoTR given that PJ is making two new movies.
OMG! I just realized... GorkaMorka technically isn't a Specialist Game title, at least it isn't on GW's website. What are the odds? o.O
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Post by: kartofelkopf
I have it on good* authority that it's a re-release of 'Railway Rivals.'
*read: no authority other than a bemused mocking of the European fixation on railroad games.
EDIT: On reading the wikipedia article for the game, it actually sounds like it might be fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Rivals
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Post by: Goddard
I would love Warhammer Quest + expansions as well, but that's just wishful thinking. Buying the OOP character packs is out of the question. $60 for a Witch Hunter? No thanks...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I know what you mean. I got lucky and managed to get all of them... except the Brettonian Knight. It's the one thing I don't have, and it's annoying.
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Post by: Goddard
Oh well, reknown points are overated anyway : )
I've started to gear my purchases more towards the Monster Tables than acquiring the characters. But that's really because I can't find any deals, haha.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Another thing to point out is, GW will have revamped whatever game it might be. That means comparing it to the most recent version might not be an accurate basis. For example, someone posed the Mordheim hypothetical, on the previous page... that and Warhammer Quest and Heroquest could simply see changes to make them more producible.
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Post by: LuigiX
WHQ would mesh nicely with the new "Storm of Magic" releases (if it comes with the monster list from the old rules, alot of folks will be buying up those ugly new monsters...)
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Post by: wyomingfox
Per Warseer...Warhammer Navy?
Harry wrote:NatTreehouse wrote:
Man O War in September.
Big box, Space Hulk format £70
Two fleets only, Empire and Vampires
All plastic models including islands
Written by Phil Kelly and Jervis
No other expansions or fleets, compleat game in a box
Not right but ... 
wyomingfox wrote:
You know, I was under the impression that Ghost had simply used that "mis-quoted" phrase by coincidence but after re-reading the thread, it looks like I was mistaken.
Still, Harry put a very resounding no on DakkaDakka to Man-O-War being the special release:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum...5.page#2864189
It's not Man O War.
But it is not a million miles away.
BramGaunt wrote:I heard it's more towards october, but hey, just me.
Harry wrote:wyomingfox wrote:So you and Ghost are hinting that though it is not Man-o-War, it is still going to be naval themed?
[Post was later edited to delete a one word answer ]
I didn't know it at the time but I was on to this back in early 2007.
I talked about this in the rumours article for The Watchman 2
But I hadn't interpreted what I had heard quite right.
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Post by: Kirika
Warhammer Quest would make sense given the storms of magic monsters people could buy to supplement it. But since when did GW make sense.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Didn't I mention a few pages back that I'd heard talk of a something BFG related...
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Post by: wyomingfox
Per Harry and Ghost 21 it is not Quest.
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Post by: LavuranGuard
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Post by: wyomingfox
H.B.M.C. wrote:Didn't I mention a few pages back that I'd heard talk of a something BFG related...
Did you mention it would be fantasy related . Ghost 21 actually hinted early on at a naval theme fantasy release when he threw out the oft mis-quoted phrase "I see no ships" (relating to a famous naval officer who ignored a signal to call of an attack when he placed a scope to his "blind" eye) and followed it up with stating it would be Fantasy related and not a board game. He also didn't seam convinced that it would be a "specialist game". Right now, based on Harry's and Ghost's limmited intel, I am guessing it is more likely to be an expansion. Automatically Appended Next Post: LavuranGuard wrote:BFG....<allEars>
Fantasy
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Post by: LavuranGuard
But not Man'O War...which was a very cool game too.
WHFB Planetstrike then...(Seastrike?)
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Post by: Flashman
Two major Warhammer expansions within two months of each other? Methinks not.
EDIT - Maybe September is now the big box release, not a special release as such.
2008 - Assault on Black Reach
2009 - Space Hulk
2010 - Island of Blood
2011 - ???
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Well WD has the model for a Dark Eldar Jetfighter.
Why would they make a Jetfight without something to go against it.
I think it will be the Flyer expansion
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Post by: xowainx
So..
- Fantasy
- Not Quest
- Not Man-O-War
- Not a million miles from Man-O-War
Assuming it's something we've seen before.. that would fit Warmaster quite well.
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Post by: Alpharius
Eisenhorn wrote:Well WD has the model for a Dark Eldar Jetfighter.
Why would they make a Jetfight without something to go against it.
I think it will be the Flyer expansion
I was wondering when the Summer of Flyers would turn into the Autumn of Flyers!
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Post by: wyomingfox
Harry wrote:
Not Man-O-War...But not a million miles away...
...
I didn't know it at the time but I was on to this back in early 2007.
I talked about this in the rumours article for The Watchman 2
But I hadn't interpreted what I had heard quite right.
This is the 2007 article he is referencing: http://www.thrasherkitch.com/Watchman/Watchman2.pdf
and specifically this bit of rumor:
Watchmen 2 wrote:Man-O-War
I think we can also expect a future re-release of Man-O-War (one of the best games ever produced by Games Workshop!). However, they would surely not miss the opportunity to make it fully integrated with Warmaster and the new Mighty Empires (although I would not be surprised if we see it first for Warmaster Ancients if Rick Priestly has anything to do with it).
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Post by: Murenius
Since you still can order all BB stuff (still playing it every now and then with my brothers) I would be more than happy if it was WQ. I still have the old box from the 90ies and wouldn't mind re-painting my Elf Ranger
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Gah!
The only news I'm interested in at the moment is upcoming Tyranid news.
This simply pushes back possibilities of new Tyranid models even further.
GRR!
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Post by: Alpharius
Er, OK?
I don't think that anything hinted at concerns Tyranids, aside from maybe the "(Pick Your Season) of Flyers", but even that seems sketchy now...
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Post by: Brother SRM
Alpharius wrote:Er, OK?
I don't think that anything hinted at concerns Tyranids, aside from maybe the "(Pick Your Season) of Flyers", but even that seems sketchy now...
That seems sketchy now? Try seems sketchy 6 months ago
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Post by: sonofruss
wyomingfox wrote:Harry wrote:
Not Man-O-War...But not a million miles away...
...
I didn't know it at the time but I was on to this back in early 2007.
I talked about this in the rumours article for The Watchman 2
But I hadn't interpreted what I had heard quite right.
This is the 2007 article he is referencing: http://www.thrasherkitch.com/Watchman/Watchman2.pdf
and specifically this bit of rumor:
Watchmen 2 wrote:Man-O-War
I think we can also expect a future re-release of Man-O-War (one of the best games ever produced by Games Workshop!). However, they would surely not miss the opportunity to make it fully integrated with Warmaster and the new Mighty Empires (although I would not be surprised if we see it first for Warmaster Ancients if Rick Priestly has anything to do with it).
Didn't rick leave already?
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Post by: RetributionAngel
Kroothawk wrote:Didn't want to start a thread on what could be the "special release" in September (see stickied release schedule), but now we have a hint by Harry:
Harry wrote:CitizenNick wrote:Anyone who is friends with GW on facebook may have noticed how much they've been talking about Blood Bowl lately. Jervis mentioned it in standard bearer a couple months back. And it was mentioned in a "what's new today" post not long ago.
Is this a hint at what's coming in September?
Well it may be nothing .... but Jervis wrote the first edition of BloodBowl in 1986 ....
Do the maths.
Reminder: Space Hulk was the 25th anniversary edition
(Warhammer Quest missed its 15th anniversary last year)
how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?
after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv
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Post by: Cryonicleech
yakface wrote:
I just don't see how they can do the 'Space Hulk' treatment for Blood Bowl or any other 'specialist game'
I'm assume they'd release just one "starter" box or something.
Either way, I'm hopeful, but Yak does have a point.
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Post by: wyomingfox
sonofruss wrote:Watchmen 2 (2007) wrote:Man-O-War
I think we can also expect a future re-release of Man-O-War (one of the best games ever produced by Games Workshop!). However, they would surely not miss the opportunity to make it fully integrated with Warmaster and the new Mighty Empires (although I would not be surprised if we see it first for Warmaster Ancients if Rick Priestly has anything to do with it).
Didn't rick leave already?
That article was written by Harry back in 2007. Basically, Harry had heard rummors back in 2007 that GW was going to bring out a naval fantasy type game sometime in the future. At the time, he assumed that what he had heard was in regards to revitalizing Man-O-War. He now realizes that he had misinterpreted the rumors.
The rumors so far point to:
*a special release slated for either September or October (Bramguant last heard October)
*Fantasy themed (Ghost 21)
*Naval themed (Ghost 21 and Harry)
*NOT Man-O-War (Harry)
*Not a board game (Ghost 21)
My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires
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Post by: GiraffeX
You never know it could be two games in one box Oi Dat's My Leg! & Trolls in the Pantry!
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Post by: 4oursword
TYRANID ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for punctuation abuse.
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Post by: CURNOW
GiraffeX wrote:You never know it could be two games in one box Oi Dat's My Leg! & Trolls in the Pantry!
Oh please please release them again as my troll tape has worn out !
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
wyomingfox wrote:
That article was written by Harry back in 2007. Basically, Harry had heard rummors back in 2007 that GW was going to bring out a naval fantasy type game sometime in the future. At the time, he assumed that what he had heard was in regards to revitalizing Man-O-War. He now realizes that he had misinterpreted the rumors.
The rumors so far point to:
*a special release slated for either September or October (Bramguant last heard October)
*Fantasy themed (Ghost 21)
*Naval themed (Ghost 21 and Harry)
*NOT Man-O-War (Harry)
*Not a board game (Ghost 21)
My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires
Well that would be a big let down if accurate. I'm much more interested in some kind of box game deal, than another expansion of sorts, especially this close to Storm of Magic.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
wyomingfox wrote:1)
My guess is it will be some kind of Naval expansion for Warhammer...maybe akin to Mighty Empires
Id have to pass on that, dont play fantasy, not planning to start.
Im still holding hope for WHQ.
A reworked Necromunda basic game would be my dream, but I wont hold my breath on that. They still sell the gangs, all we need is a sweet new starter.
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Post by: Kroothawk
RetributionAngel wrote:how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?
Please decide whether you accuse me of posting a rumour or not posting a rumour. Then I can answer. (and I started a thread, not a threat )
RetributionAngel wrote:after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv
We will see soon.
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Post by: Scottywan82
RetributionAngel wrote:
how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?
after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv
What does Marcellus Wallace look like?
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Post by: ddsa86
Since everyone here is speculating, guessing and making up stuff I will throw in my opinion / guess. With all the other game companies coming up with skirmish games and or boxed board games, I would say that they bring back Necromunda or Warhammer Quest. My own wish is that they relaunch Gothic with Finecast models. But who is to say with all the GW corporate changes what it might be. I recall that this rumor has been out every year for the past several years and the only real result was Space Hulk. What would be really cool is that they drop 6th edition on us with a new starter box....
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Post by: Kroothawk
Harry posted some information:
Ender Shadowkin wrote:It is suspicious that someone in the know hasn't squashed the 28 scale idea down yet...
Let me do that now .... SQUASH!
Shyvax wrote:well, a MoW scale would make much more sense. I can't imagine the size of the table to play tactical battle with those big boats. No way, I say it's MoW scale, at least I hope so ^^
It's not. It is not Man o War. It is not Man O War scale.
static grass wrote:When I first saw Pirates of the high seas http://gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Pirate_Supplies_Store.html#aGOW_2dPS003 I was abit "whaaaaaat?!???" So there already is 28mm ships and pirates game out there thanks to none other than warhammer historical. It looks like this game is aimed at close quarters naval action rather than being a naval manoeuvre game. It's not MoW and it seems possible that we might sea a fantasty version of this?
Sadly ... no But ... it does not take much to knock up some house rules for different fantasy races to go with these rules.
What you and a number of people have said about 28mm scale is correct. Not best for a naval battle game.
28mm boats ... cool as they would be ... would only be scenery for warhammer or a skirmish game like Legend of the High Seas. Great game by the way ... but then I love all the warhammer historical stuff.
I confess when this first cropped up my first thoughts were the boats they had considered a few years ago in Warhammer scale that hastings mentions ... I think they even got as far as mock ups ... so I was quite excited about that as I have fancied plastic boats in warhammer scale since I saw the stompa kits and imagined the possibilities. I would snaffle up any boats they did in 28mm scale because I love that sort of thing but that is not this. This is something different.
So we are left with NOT Man O War, NOT Warhammer scale so .... somewhere in between.
When I first heard about this ... several year ago and what I hinted at in The Watchman back then was that they were looking into Naval combat in WARMASTER scale. I also heard that Rick Priestly was interested and if he had his way we would see naval battles for Warmaster historical before we saw it for fantasy. It was all just pie in the sky back then and as a result .....
... I had forgotten about this.
So when this rumour cropped again I failed to put two and two together initially.
But I have put it together now and I only have one thing to say .....
BRING IT ON!
I see the very nice rumour about sea gribblies on the previous page - nice catch.
This is Warhammer ... we are not getting a game without gribbleys.
If GW really tries to copy Uncharted Seas by Spartan Games, they are in for tough competition.
Anyway, seems like personally I will give this a pass.
A Naval Battle game will not come near the success Space Hulk was (and could have been with better marketing).
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:
I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.
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Post by: shoggoth
SoB resins pleaaaaase!
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kroothawk wrote:Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:
I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.
Every thing really seems to makes it sound like Man-o-Warmaster.... Ships for Man-O-War were about 30-40mm in length... in Warmaster's scale I'd imagine the ships would need to be 2 or 3 times that.
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Post by: Flashman
Sooo....
We're talking a Warhammer navy fantasy game with boats larger than Man O War.
I'd be very interested in this, but how far would GW expand the range? I can't see them going as far as last time, but you'd expect at least Empire, High Elves, Dwarves, Dark Elves and some other evil races with sea faring in the fluff like Skaven and Chaos Marauders/Norsemen.
I also think that there's no real reason that you couldn't do more than two races in one box if there was no more than 3 class of ships per race. 4 large sprues (as is typical for a large box set), one for each race, should yield a fair number of boats each, no?
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Post by: infinite_array
Flashman wrote:Sooo....
We're talking a Warhammer navy fantasy game with boats larger than Man O War.
I'd be very interested in this, but how far would GW expand the range? I can't see them going as far as last time, but you'd expect at least Empire, High Elves, Dwarves, Dark Elves and some other evil races with sea faring in the fluff like Skaven and Chaos Marauders/Norsemen.
I also think that there's no real reason that you couldn't do more than two races in one box if there was no more than 3 class of ships per race. 4 large sprues (as is typical for a large box set), one for each race, should yield a fair number of boats each, no?
I can see it being a Fantasy Flight boxed game, something like a board game. Square-based map, and 3-4 plastic fleets.
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Post by: fullheadofhair
Why would there be a game that is known only by mostly vets that will be tied to a game that practically no-one plays and that GW doesn;t even support. Where is the business sense is that? I just don't get it.
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Post by: ceorron
I think I get it and it makes unusual reasoning but I think I may have made some sense of it.
GW takes a lot of it's inspiration from films. What has been one of the most popular films of recent years but Pirates of the Caribbean.
Think about it, the whole pirates thing done in warhammer, thats a strong theme to begin with.
Empire v vampire counts (aka undead skeleton) ala the first Pirates film. I know it is difficult to vision but that is my guess.
I have also heard a rumour saying that the enemy will rise this autumn (or something like that). People are thinking that refers to Necrons but could be refering to the undead aka vamps in the Man O War game.
So not only do I think this is right but my guess is that the box will contain Empire and Vampire Counts if this rumour is correct.
Just a bit of a hypothisis.
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Post by: Eumerin
Kroothawk wrote:Small update by dax over at Warseer (in a post he has edited to remove some information!:
I've heard that it is a Man O War type game and the scale is more suited to Warmaster. This has been in the works since 2009, now for the interesting part there is at least one Dark Elf ship done which would make more sense as a raiding fleet.
Could be that the DE ships that were on display in the 8th edition Fantasy rule book were designed for whatever this sooper sekret project is?
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Post by: ceorron
kartofelkopf wrote:I have it on good* authority that it's a re-release of 'Railway Rivals.'
*read: no authority other than a bemused mocking of the European fixation on railroad games.
EDIT: On reading the wikipedia article for the game, it actually sounds like it might be fun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Rivals
Wow I had no idea Games Workshop made something like that. Will need to keep my eyes out for that one at car boot sales/second hand etc.
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Post by: -Loki-
Hopefully this is GW dipping their feet in Specialist games again, rather than a 1 off release.
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Post by: Alpharius
Sadly, I don't think that's what this is at all, and that Specialist Games remain, for the most part, dead and buried for GW.
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Post by: Panic
yeah, Scottywan82 wrote:RetributionAngel wrote:
how do you know that there will be a secret-box???
its just a rumor!!!
why start a threat if you have no fakts or rumors?
after the SOM releas just now
i don´t think there will be a spezial extra releas this year
its not wise from a marketting perspectiv
What does Marcellus Wallace look like?
The dude is German, His english is good enough for me...
his post about weak rumours in the rumour forum lacked any real point though.
Panic...
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Post by: Breotan
If the MoW type game actually bears fruit, it means I likely won't be buying. I just don't have much interest in stuff like that. I don't even play BFG even though that's seeing a bit of an uptick in play here in Seattle.
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Post by: gorgon
fullheadofhair wrote:Why would there be a game that is known only by mostly vets that will be tied to a game that practically no-one plays and that GW doesn;t even support. Where is the business sense is that? I just don't get it.
Does seem odd. The Pirates/Caribbean theory is solid, but this game doesn't look like a sure thing, and wasn't that the point of the last mystery box? A sure thing that will sell through quickly?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Gw had two options:
1.) Rerelease a proven bestseller with the potential to draw new customers to the game (Heroquest/Warhammer Quest) or
2.) Rerelease a game, that was an economic failure even at its first release, has no potential to gain new customers and now has a strong established competition with Uncharted Seas and Dystopian Wars by Spartan Games.
Tim Kirby and Mark Wells looked at each other, lol'd hard and chose option 2.
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Post by: Achaylus72
With GW new policy of releasing information one week prior to release, and everyone here knows this, any speculation or rumour is just that.
Anyone who tells you they have the inside scoop on what will be released in September basically is talking nonsense. Even GW staff at the coalface have no idea.
GW isn't going to release any game that can not be sold through its B & M stores, this rules out any of the Specialist Games. So no Necromunder, Blood Bowl etc.....
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Post by: shoggoth
I think its necrons, considering they have stop stocking them?
same with sisters?
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Post by: Kroothawk
shoggoth wrote:I think its necrons, considering they have stop stocking them?
same with sisters?
Erm, you mean that the special boxed game similar to the Space Hulk release is a Necron Codex? Or the Sororitas Codex, coming parallel to the Sororitas WD Codex? Rather not
BTW a quick check of the GW website would have shown that GW is still stocking almost all Necron and Sororitas models.
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Post by: kitch102
Has there ever been a Fantasy Naval game done by GW? The reason I ask:
About 10 years ago I was given a VIP tour of Nottingham HQ. I got to meet everybody, the white dwarf guys, the designers, the mini makers - everyone. I can't remember the name of the guy that did the tour, he was one of the mini makers and his wife was on the board or somewhere high up in mega management.
Towards the end of the tour I was asked what I thought would be a good concept for a new game, and suggested the navy theme (spinning off of the recent battlefleet gothic release) and was told that it was already under consideration. Not to say that it would never be released, but I would have thought that we'd seen it by now if they had any temptation of releasing something like.
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
kitch102 wrote:Has there ever been a Fantasy Naval game done by GW? The reason I ask:
About 10 years ago I was given a VIP tour of Nottingham HQ. I got to meet everybody, the white dwarf guys, the designers, the mini makers - everyone. I can't remember the name of the guy that did the tour, he was one of the mini makers and his wife was on the board or somewhere high up in mega management.
Towards the end of the tour I was asked what I thought would be a good concept for a new game, and suggested the navy theme (spinning off of the recent battlefleet gothic release) and was told that it was already under consideration. Not to say that it would never be released, but I would have thought that we'd seen it by now if they had any temptation of releasing something like.
Yes, Man o war
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Post by: Brother SRM
kitch102 wrote:Has there ever been a Fantasy Naval game done by GW?
Yes, it was called Man O' War and has been mentioned frequently over the past page.
e;fb
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Post by: Stealershock
ok, if this comes through, i will be off my nips on happiness. even more so if necro gets it
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Post by: Balance
kitch102 wrote:Has there ever been a Fantasy Naval game done by GW? The reason I ask:
About 10 years ago I was given a VIP tour of Nottingham HQ. I got to meet everybody, the white dwarf guys, the designers, the mini makers - everyone. I can't remember the name of the guy that did the tour, he was one of the mini makers and his wife was on the board or somewhere high up in mega management.
Towards the end of the tour I was asked what I thought would be a good concept for a new game, and suggested the navy theme (spinning off of the recent battlefleet gothic release) and was told that it was already under consideration. Not to say that it would never be released, but I would have thought that we'd seen it by now if they had any temptation of releasing something like.
Yes. GW release Man o' War in 1993. I've enver played it, but some friends have said it was more than a wee bit unbalanced by some of the supplements, which tended to be true of many Specialist Games lines.
For comparison, Battlefleet Gothic came out in 1999. They also did a not-quite-Battlefleet Gothic called Space Fleet in 1991.
Also, Warhammer Historical did a game called Trafalgar a couple years ago that was a real-world naval game.
Apparently for a while the MoW ships were available by mail order, but the mast sprues were hard to find
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Post by: ceorron
Kroothawk wrote:Gw had two options:
1.) Rerelease a proven bestseller with the potential to draw new customers to the game (Heroquest/Warhammer Quest) or
2.) Rerelease a game, that was an economic failure even at its first release, has no potential to gain new customers and now has a strong established competition with Uncharted Seas and Dystopian Wars by Spartan Games.
Tim Kirby and Mark Wells looked at each other, lol'd hard and chose option 2.
They might do, Kroothawk. They might  . This is GW after all.
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Post by: Mr. Konrad
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Posted by Erazmus_M_Wattle over at Warseer:
I have it in fairly good authority that the secret release is neither bloodbowl or heroquest. In fact I have it on good authority it's not a specialist game at all.
Surely not Trolls in the Pantry???
@Hellfury - ah my bad, didn't make the connection, assumed it was FFG's baby.
How about Squelch!
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Post by: dantay_xv
Lol, lets throw, space crusade, advanced space crusade, heroquest and advanced heroquest into the mix...
Space crusade gives you marines wandering a hulk with a mix of races and dreadnoughts.....
Advanced space crusade gives you space marine scouts (and libby?) against Tyranids fighting aboard a hive ship.
Heoquest and advaced heroquest, a bit like D&D, all enclosed in 1 happy little box.
No basis to this, except to follow on above they aren't specialist games but are gw influenced, but as folks are throwing out its this or that!!! I thought I would have a go.
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Post by: TBD
So we have seen the october Ogres now, but still no word on september.
Since we are only a month away, shouldn't they at least be hyping mystery boxes by now?
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Post by: Tzeentchling9
TBD wrote:So we have seen the october Ogres now, but still no word on september.
Since we are only a month away, shouldn't they at least be hyping mystery boxes by now?
Ogres is set for September, not October.
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Post by: TBD
Tzeentchling9 wrote:TBD wrote:So we have seen the october Ogres now, but still no word on september.
Since we are only a month away, shouldn't they at least be hyping mystery boxes by now?
Ogres is set for September, not October.
Ogres have always consistently been slotted in for october, not september.
Of course it is not impossible that things have been switched around @ GW.
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Post by: Tzeentchling9
TBD wrote:Tzeentchling9 wrote:TBD wrote:So we have seen the october Ogres now, but still no word on september.
Since we are only a month away, shouldn't they at least be hyping mystery boxes by now?
Ogres is set for September, not October.
Ogres have always consistently been slotted in for october, not september.
Of course it is not impossible that things have been switched around @ GW.
The back of the August WD says OK for September.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
So we have seen the october Ogres now, but still no word on september.
No word for Sept.? Huh? Yes, SeptOgre as I coined it is coming and GW has announced it. As I've said before, one "mystery box" in 2009 doesn't mean we're getting one every year, only that we're getting a rumor about one every year since. This is some of what is coming in SeptOgre: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/383862.page   
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Post by: TBD
They must have switched things then.
If there is no special box then maybe Necrons can now be up in october instead of november, hopefully.
Wasn't a "special release" more or less confirmed by some of the usual & reliable rumour people at other sites though?
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Post by: Balance
BrassScorpion wrote:As I've said before, one "mystery box" in 2009 doesn't mean we're getting one every year, only that we're getting a rumor about one every year since.
It's kind of like how a few years ago there was a big round of rumors that Apple would do a big Super Bowl ad to introduce new stuff, even thoguh I thinkt he last time they really did one that was a big deal was [b] 1984[b] (in 1984).
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Post by: Kroothawk
TBD wrote:They must have switched things then.
If there is no special box then maybe Necrons can now be up in october instead of november, hopefully.
Wasn't a "special release" more or less confirmed by some of the usual & reliable rumour people at other sites though?
Yes, September is confirmed by the current WD.
Early rumours placed Necrons around Haloween, so either October or November. Only later rumours placed them earlier.
Harry and ghost21 were told about a box containing some naval Fantasy game. We will have to see if it comes or if this was a misinformation. I am not eager to see a naval Fantasy game though. Warhammer Quest or bust!
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Post by: shoggoth
i didnt know where to put this but...
Manager of my local GW said since its the anniversary of blood bowl, its gonna be something to-do with that or was it birthday?
Anyway yeah that's oct/nov
he also said nothing for Xmas because GW never do.
That's what he said, take it how you will.
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Post by: Ouze
shoggoth wrote:he also said nothing for Xmas because GW never do.
Yes, why release anything special before the biggest shopping holiday of the year? Their "business strategy" makes perfect sense*.
*IN STUPIDWORLD
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Post by: That one over there
I would like to see Warhammer Quest get a shiny new update, After the awsome sauce that was Space Hulk i thimk they'd be missing a trick if they passed on it!
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Post by: dantay_xv
Necron codex is due for release around Games Day...
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Post by: ceorron
Ouze wrote:shoggoth wrote:he also said nothing for Xmas because GW never do.
Yes, why release anything special before the biggest shopping holiday of the year? Their "business strategy" makes perfect sense*.
*IN STUPIDWORLD
No don't think your understanding Ouze. GW always release their Chirstmas stuff in November and December is always the marketing teams "easy" month. This means everything is in the shops when the organised people go for their Christmas shop and will still be in stock for us picking things up on December 24th. That makes a strong case for Necorns in November tbh.
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Post by: Tabitha
No navy game will be released this year by GW. I wouldnt hold my breath for warhammer quest either.
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Post by: Eumerin
ceorron wrote:No don't think your understanding Ouze. GW always release their Chirstmas stuff in November and December is always the marketing teams "easy" month. This means everything is in the shops when the organised people go for their Christmas shop and will still be in stock for us picking things up on December 24th.
Or for those of us picking stuff up on December 1. Nothing annoys me more than an item that goes on sale one or two weeks before Christmas.
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Post by: Starfarer
Tabitha wrote:No navy game will be released this year by GW. I wouldnt hold my breath for warhammer quest either.
I don't really disagree with your statement, but do you have any info to back that up? Your statement seems to imply your have some inside info, so I'm just curious if you've heard something that hasn't been discussed here.
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Post by: SabrX
Finecast SoB special characters? One can always hope.
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Post by: Tabitha
SabrX wrote:Finecast SoB special characters? One can always hope.
I wish but nope.
Sisters actually are not going to have that much fine cast stuff at all. Its mostly all plastics, even some of the HQ's. There is some fine cast stuff though, again mostly HQ's that are not getting new models.
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Post by: sarcastro01
It's Dark Future.....or Chainsaw Warrior. Two easy to put in one box and never upgrade again games that could use a return to the sunlight.
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Post by: Ascalam
Dark future was fun.
Never played Chainsaw Warrior
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Post by: fullheadofhair
So, a section of the warehouse in US has recently been set aside and is screened off and no-one is allowed to know what is in or going to be in it. And I thought this thread was a load of bollocks.
edit for other thought : could it just be new ogres. Are GW really that stupid and dumb about hiding new releases.
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Post by: agnosto
fullheadofhair wrote:
edit for other thought : could it just be new ogres. Are GW really that stupid and dumb about hiding new releases.
I'm not going to pretend to know anything but we're talking about the same GW that denied space hulk up until it was released even though everybody in the internet already knew about it months in advance.
So, yeah; De'nial (the Nile) ain't only a river in Egypt....
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
fullheadofhair wrote:Are GW really that stupid and dumb about hiding new releases.
You're being rhetorical, right?
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Post by: fullheadofhair
H.B.M.C. wrote:fullheadofhair wrote:Are GW really that stupid and dumb about hiding new releases.
You're being rhetorical, right?
think back, oh about 5yrs or so, there was this little pang in your gut and an uncomfortable feeling you would feel when you read about a GW stupid decision. That was called hope. Some of us, some how, still have it :-D. Some of us, despite all the evidence to the contrary still believe that sanity will prevail and sensible descisions will be made. We will be know as "the idealistic dumbasses".
edited for drunken grammar - a rather exceptional 2006 syrah is adding to my posting abilities.
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Post by: Kroothawk
agnosto wrote:I'm not going to pretend to know anything but we're talking about the same GW that denied space hulk up until it was released even though everybody in the internet already knew about it months in advance.
To be precise, people trusting Harry knew it 2.5 years in advance ... and still bought it full of excitement.
And currently not even the WD reveals this month's Finecast rereleases except two vampires. So yes: New products are super secret now.
BTW can someone install a webcam in that GW warehouse
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Post by: LavuranGuard
I hope it's not Blood Bowl as I recently bought the current edition...
So it probably is and I'm screwed
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Post by: Wytefang
So Blood Bowl, Battlefleet Gothic, or Warhammer Quest. Those are our choices, pretty much from the sounds of all the posts in these threads.
My guess would have been Blood Bowl if FFG hadn't done their BB card game for release this fall (though you could argue that they might want to use the card game for build-up to a real tabletop release, I suppose).
So my guess would be WQ with BG a distant second (though I'd love that more, I think).
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Post by: -Loki-
The problem with Blood Bowl and Battlefleet Gothic is they require post-release support, unless they pack every team and player type or every race and ship type into the box.
Warhammer Quest, on the other hand, just needs rules in the main book for all kinds of heroes and monsters, and it is supported by the entire Warhammer Fantasy range of miniatures.
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Post by: fullheadofhair
I am still betting on a bit of 6mm goodness!! Mindyou - wouldn't it be nice if Aeronautica was released with new rulebooks and models in one pack.
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Post by: Newabortion
Kill team rulebook.
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Post by: Kroothawk
There seems to be no special September release beside Ogre army book. Either delayed to another month or false. Harry still thinks some kind of naval game is coming though, but not in September.
Edit: Just had a look at September WD. No last page announcement (gave me a WTF moment), but a few pages ahead there is a one page picture of a Pirate and the text "Wanted: Count Noctilus! If you have any useful information, please contact Jago Roth, captain of the 'Heldenhammer'".
I take that as a confirmation, that a boxed naval game is coming in October.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Ahh, so the surprise here is that there is in fact no surprise? Very zen...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, for most people a naval game by GW coming October IS news (guess you posted before reading my edited post )..
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Post by: filbert
Kroothawk wrote:Well, for most people a naval game by GW coming October IS news.
So the blurb that you mentioned in September WD seems to indicate a Fantasy based naval game, judging by the names and the tone:
"Wanted: Count Noctilus! If you have any useful information, please contact Jago Roth, captain of the 'Heldenhammer'".
With that being assumed and given that it has been repeatedly stated that it is *not* a Man O War reboot, are we looking at a new and original game being released?
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Post by: Kroothawk
I guess so, but have not more info than included in this thread. Empire vs. Vampire makes it a nice one shot release, although I rather had a widely distributed Warhammer Quest, but well ...
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Post by: Flashman
I remain intrigued, but this an odd move by GW (adding to the huge pile of odd moves in 2011).
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Post by: gilljoy
Should be intreasting,
Definately picking it up, always regretted not picking up space hulk.
No word on Necrons in the Sept WD?
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Post by: spaceelf
Games Workshop creating new games, shocking! Unfortunately, this is one instance in which I wish they did not make a new game, as Man-O-War was a good ruleset.
Let us hope they buck their trend and make the game reasonably priced.
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Post by: The Decapitator
It is a Naval Fantasy game and it's due for release in the first week of October.
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Post by: English Assassin
Ach well; maybe if it sells we'll get a properly re-released Battlefleet Gothic.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Hmmm...I could possibly get into a bit of fantasy naval combat. Seems that between the earlier rumors and the WD bit that its getting to be pretty solid thats whats gonna happen.
My wife will be sad if its not WHQ, but oh well.
I will eternally hold hope for a new Necromunda box. New books and artwork, a couple gangs done like the SH minis, some cool plastic terrain. Id even be fine if they left the rules alone. Automatically Appended Next Post: gilljoy wrote:
Definately picking it up, always regretted not picking up space hulk.
Im very glad I grabbed a copy. Ive never played it, but the quality of the minis alone was worth it.
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Post by: whoadirty
If there are no Necrons in October, dare I dream of a Tyranid Wave Two?
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Post by: Wytefang
Mad4Minis wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
gilljoy wrote:
Definately picking it up, always regretted not picking up space hulk.
Im very glad I grabbed a copy. Ive never played it, but the quality of the minis alone was worth it.
I can't imagine not even playing the game if you own it. It's quite a bit of fun - not as deep as I'd like but still very fun.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Someone over at Warseer scanned the pic (German language):
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Post by: Ascalam
whoadirty wrote:If there are no Necrons in October, dare I dream of a Tyranid Wave Two?
You can dream
Dream on.
I hope they get to it eventually though. I used to play Nids, and i'm looking forward to seeing the new models
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Post by: tetrisphreak
Is it in the realm of possibility that Necrons could still be released in October, despite the lack of a white dwarf back page saying so? Since GW has gone all hermit-y and decided to keep all their customers waiting in the dark?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Given GW's information policy, it is possible that Necrons were already released in August but they kept it a secret
But I expect Necrons in November.
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Post by: Eumerin
tetrisphreak wrote:Is it in the realm of possibility that Necrons could still be released in October, despite the lack of a white dwarf back page saying so? Since GW has gone all hermit-y and decided to keep all their customers waiting in the dark?
Unlikely, since the September focus on Ogres got mentioned on the back of August's White Dwarf.
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Post by: Pacific
Someone in another thread was saying that there was going to be a new FW fantasy boat game as part of a first FW Fantasy 'Imperial Armor' book (albeit with a different name) I wonder if that is where all the rumours are coming from?
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Post by: whoadirty
Ascalam wrote:whoadirty wrote:If there are no Necrons in October, dare I dream of a Tyranid Wave Two?
You can dream
Dream on.
I hope they get to it eventually though. I used to play Nids, and i'm looking forward to seeing the new models
Well, given that DE got 4 models that are (pretty) easy to convert for a unit that not many use, one would think it shouldn't be that hard for them to produce one (dual purpose) kit that would be used in most Tyranid players' armies. But this is GW.
OT, I will try and support games that get me cool pirate models.
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Post by: Ascalam
I'll take the hats and put them on my freebootaz
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Post by: Kroothawk
Some tidbits from Warseer:
CSE wrote:oh its coming, its so cool (n i shouldn't say but its actually an October release, has multiple armies ships in it)
(...)
Warmaster o war actually
Do you know if there will be more fleets than Empire and Undead? You said "multiple" ones earlier...
Yup there are more than just those 2
(...)
im certainly not disappointed the ship models especialy the orcs are ace
Doesn't Ulthuan have the largest fleet in the Warhammer World? One would think they would be an obvious choice. Empire, High Elves, Vampire Counts, OnG, two two most popular Order armies, two of the most popular Destruction armies, all four having very strong aesthetics.
I am sure that you won't be disappointed
Harry wrote:Harry said Warmaster scale, so 10 mm.
I did and it is or near as makes no difference.
(...)
There is some Elfy love in there too.
T'was never just Empire and Vampire Counts that early rumour was incorrect.
(...)
It is just one box ... chock full of boaty goodness.
With more concrete information available, I think it is time to start a new thread without the ballast of old and outdated speculation:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/392918.page
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