Hi Dakka. I'm a first generation American, my parents being from Germany. I recently picked up just over 2k of IG for a good price and threw everything in some simple green. I was looking over the codex and saw the Death Korps of Kreig entry. They seem very German in taste. I didn't like the style of the Armageddon Steel Legion because I prefer the cool colors to the warm colors. The DKoK didn't have a paint section in the codex, so I was wondering if I could get help looking for other German Style IG or paint schemes to the DKoK, thanks.

Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, and check Forgeworld for the designs.

But remember you can paint them however you please; the Steel Legion long coat is yellow due to Armageddons terrain(i assume) so make them however you like.

If you want German IG that isn't going to bust the bank, I may suggest that you use plastic guardsmen and simply buy 3rd party German infantry heads.

Westwind productions does some:



http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_178&products_id=1081

http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/germans-108-c.asp


Beats the flipping hell out of flames of war. Models are of better quality. Doesn't look like a model sculpted, assembled, cast, and painted by a 5 year old. Fairly certain they have separate heads and hats. I know commandos do but i think German sprues have helmets/caps separate from the heads.

If you want another German-style Imperial Guard, there's always the Mordian Iron Guard. They have a very 1870's Prussian feel to them, and are usually bright in color:

Above is true, although Mordians remind me more of USMC dress uniforms.



The ones from the far left to the center are dress uniforms. The two on the right are other uniforms.

halonachos wrote:Above is true, although Mordians remind me more of USMC dress uniforms.



The ones from the far left to the center are dress uniforms. The two on the right are other uniforms.

As a note, those are all dress uniforms. The two on the right are just a lower classification.

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

You can paint anyone any color you like. The old IG book had a couple dozen paint schemes for Cadia alone. It's particularly easy if you just make up a planet. Since it seems you already own the models you're going to be using I suppose you should be telling us which IG model range they are. If they're wearing football helmets they're Cadians, undershirts are Catachans, metal figures with gas masks are Steel Legion, longcoats without gas masks are Valhallans, turbans are Tallarns, epaulets are Mordians, and fuzzy hats and moustaches are Vostroyans. Those are just the names of the model ranges. The army they are used to represent does not necessarily have to come from those planets.

Devastator wrote:

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

With the colors related to them i get more of a dark WW II feeling from Kreig and a WWI(Belgium france & German mix) from Steel legion. I know that's not how they were modeled but the model itself reminds me more of WWII than WW one and i still don't see third Reich military from Steel legion. I get both being a set of WWI themed armies but the color scheme of Kreig shouts Wehrmacht to me. Even though it is the same color for WWI. Probably just what is seen more in history books.

Either way they both are WWI one Europe but the color scheme and mask on Kreig makes me thing WWII Germany. In any event they are in top for my favorite regiments.

Some clarifications:
1.) It's spelled Krieg, not Kreig (pronounced creek, not crike).
2.) DKoK has several inspirations, mostly from German and French WW1 trencher uniforms.
3.) Heer just means army, such as Luftwaffe means air force, and contemporary German forces also have a Heer and Luftwaffe. Wehrmacht is the name of the military forces (army, air force and navy) of the Third Reich, was Reichswehr before and became Bundeswehr after WW2.
4.) Steel legion is closest to WW2 German paratroopers, but not identical.
5.) You can browse www.coolminiornot.com or Dakka or google gallery for painting ideas.

Kroothawk wrote:Some clarifications:
1.) It's spelled Krieg, not Kreig (pronounced creek, not crike).

Good to know, I thought it was pronounced kreeg, I'll change that.


Not Sure the Mordians really are German in that they could easily be French or British too or even Russian; their style seems to be a mix.

the Steel legion is based on how all Trench Warfare regiments from both sides ended up looking.


just get the models and paint them how you like.


If you want a more German color, just paint them a dark grey. or you could go for the more realistic, albiet less recognisable, camo schemes.

Snarky wrote:If you want German IG that isn't going to bust the bank, I may suggest that you use plastic guardsmen and simply buy 3rd party German infantry heads.

Westwind productions does some:


http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_178&products_id=1081

Ironically I used their British heads for my Israel Defence Forces-themed IG army and it worked out great. Good suggestion.

Also, get some 1/48 scale German infantry accessories like backpacks and whatnot.

Or for a German army you can just use the Cadian set with added backpacks.

How does adding backpacks make them German?

Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.
Also, their mortars have a striking ressemblence to Austrio Hungarian mortars. Not only that but their big guns are deployed in a similar manner.


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Snarky wrote:If you want German IG that isn't going to bust the bank, I may suggest that you use plastic guardsmen and simply buy 3rd party German infantry heads.

Westwind productions does some:



http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=130_178&products_id=1081

Also, Renegade miniatures does some real nice german WW1 guys. If you doctor em up a bit theyll look just like DKOK

cadbren wrote:How does adding backpacks make them German?

Because cadians can be used to represent any military force and as soldiers carry their kit they have backpacks (i would also mix in some catachan arms as well)


..................oh sorry i see whats the problem, when you guys say German you actually mean Hitler's homeboys and not actually the German Army.

Jollydevil wrote:Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.

As said, they also feature elements from French WW1 troops:
1.) The helmet features the crown of the French Adrian helmet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_helmet
2.) At the bottom, the coat is buttoned as French troops did, leaving it open to the front for better manoeuverability. Rarely done by Germans, if at all.

Harriticus wrote:If you want another German-style Imperial Guard, there's always the Mordian Iron Guard. They have a very 1870's Prussian feel to them, and are usually bright in color

BTW: I guess no German would associate Mordians with German/Prussian troops, as they look too similar to US Marine Corps dress uniform and are always painted as such. BTW 1871 the small German states were unified to the Deutsches Reich with no special Prussian troops at all, and troops had other field caps with no sunshield then or some kind of Pickelhaube helmet.

BluntmanDC wrote:

cadbren wrote:How does adding backpacks make them German?

Because cadians can be used to represent any military force and as soldiers carry their kit they have backpacks (i would also mix in some catachan arms as well)


..................oh sorry i see whats the problem, when you guys say German you actually mean Hitler's homeboys and not actually the German Army.

No we mean Kaiser Wilhelm IIs Homeboys. Get your wars straight.
As for Kroothawk, thanks, ive learned something new today. I do alot more study on German guys, I think theyre the most interesting.

BluntmanDC wrote:

cadbren wrote:How does adding backpacks make them German?

Because cadians can be used to represent any military force and as soldiers carry their kit they have backpacks (i would also mix in some catachan arms as well)


..................oh sorry i see whats the problem, when you guys say German you actually mean Hitler's homeboys and not actually the German Army.

when people say they want a German looking army, the first thing you do is assume its WW2 Germans. then you assume its WW1 germans.


anything after that is going to be wrong most of the time.

See also my Praetorian Guard bitz thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314475.page that includes conversion parts for the (Cadian to Mordian upper body).

BTW, Westwind http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?infoBox=0&cPath=126_149 also has separate heads for Pickelhaube, Adrian Helmet, Kepi and Tommy Helmet, all with gas masks.

to be quite honest, those heads would look very out of place on a Cadian body without some greenstuff work to make them look more germanesk.

making the skirts on the body longer would work.

Grey Templar wrote:to be quite honest, those heads would look very out of place on a Cadian body without some greenstuff work to make them look more germanesk.

making the skirts on the body longer would work.

They would look sort of out of place, however I think that if you greenstuffed up a jacket and stuff they would look fantastic.

Thats what i said

Jollydevil wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:to be quite honest, those heads would look very out of place on a Cadian body without some greenstuff work to make them look more germanesk.

making the skirts on the body longer would work.

They would look sort of out of place, however I think that if you greenstuffed up a jacket and stuff they would look fantastic.

... or maybe use some greenstuff for the jacket

That's why I mentioned the Mordian upper body conversion bits in the other thread first. But painting the Cadian Jacket blue and the trousers white or grey and the armour either black or tin bitz wouldn't look bad.

Germans already got 3 Regiments based on them! Isn't that enough? Pretty sure that's a GW record.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Germans already got 3 Regiments based on them! Isn't that enough? Pretty sure that's a GW record.

3? Where? All I see are DKOK

and Steel Legion and Mordians.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:and Steel Legion and Mordians.

Steel legion maybe, not as much as DKoK, but Mordian, na, more of the marines.

Mordians are the above Prussians. They are absolutely a musket-line.
They wear those uniforms in battle because "crawling around in the muck trying to hide is uncivilised". A Marine that won't crawl around in the muck? Please.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Mordians are the above Prussians. They are absolutely a musket-line.
They wear those uniforms in battle because "crawling around in the muck trying to hide is uncivilised". A Marine that won't crawl around in the muck? Please.

Or this?

You tell me which looks more like this:

Reserach the Mordians. They are not Marines - they don't even have water on their planet

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Reserach the Mordians. They are not Marines - they don't even have water on their planet

Im Not saying theyre marines. Im saying theyre designed after them.

Regardless they are quite European.

The closest thing to USMC is the Catachan. Although they are inspired by pretty much any GI in Vietnam one could argue they invoke the WWII Pacific Theatre Marines badassery as well.

The Mordians are just based on Victorian armies in general, not a specific one. They're all about flashy uniforms, marching in formations, disciplined volley fire and whatnot. Personally I hate the way they've taken Catachans. Guys actually based on the US in the pacific/vietnam would be really cool (though being based on the Japanese or Viet Cong would be even cooler and fit the "expert jungle fighters" bit better), but the Catachans' overmuscled Rambo thing is just slowed. I don't know who even buys them. Today I picked up some stuff from my lgs and half the battleforces were out of stock, the rest only had one each in stock. The only exception was the catachans, who had 3 on the shelves. There were twice as many catachan plastic boxes as Cadians in the main section as well. This thread reminds me of how much I wish any other regiment were in plastic instead of those godawful hideous catachans.

Hmm IMO mordians look more like Prussians, becuase they actually fight in those clothes! Plus they have the enitre "Lets all line up and shoot" strategy most of the time

But yea they're definitely not German

Varrick wrote:Beats the flipping hell out of flames of war.

Flames of war is 15mm, why bring that up?

Egads! The drummer is missing a moustache, how unmanly of him to march to war without a moustache!

I've noticed a frightening number of people trashing FoW minis for being "ugly" and not realizing that a fow trooper stands at a Cadian's knee.

I never really thought about it, but 28mm Landwehr would be really great for cheaper, more varied Mordians.

kenshin620 wrote:Hmm IMO mordians look more like Prussians, becuase they actually fight in those clothes! Plus they have the enitre "Lets all line up and shoot" strategy most of the time

But yea they're definitely not German

You know Prussians are Germans right? They even have Iron Crosses in that pic.

Devastator wrote:

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

They're even closer to Luftwaffe (Fallschirmjaeger, compare their kit and its almost a dead ringer)

The DKoK, despite the majority of players insistence that they are German are actually closer to French or Belgian WW1 troops in appearance.

Good to know, I thought it was pronounced kreeg, I'll change that.

Thats actually accurate (creeg/kreeg), just note that the g at the end is not a very hard g, a native german speaker would pronounce it kinda in between a g and a k sound, rather than a full on hard g or hard k (as in tag or creek).

Also for future reference to non native (American) English speakers, creek is a poor choice of word to pick to explain to someone how to pronounce something. There are large parts of this country that pronounce creek like crick.

Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.
Also, their mortars have a striking ressemblence to Austrio Hungarian mortars. Not only that but their big guns are deployed in a similar manner.

If by same helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform, and trench/overcoat, and wear gas masks, you mean they are modeled after the WW1 french army, you would be correct.

I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

Jollydevil wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:and Steel Legion and Mordians.

Steel legion maybe, not as much as DKoK, but Mordian, na, more of the marines.

You're still going to argue against that, despite the fact that Kroothawk posted images of Prussian dress uniforms that are even closer matches for the Mordians than the Marines are? Okay, so the Mordians are wearing visored covers instead of pickelhaube, but the prussians wore those too... in fact they invented them (IIRC), or at the very least they made them popular by issuing them out as the standard headgear of the Landeswehr. Would you like me to point out some specifics to you? For one, the Prussians are wearing high boots like the Mordians, unlike the Marines wearing low quarters. The Prussians have solid color cuffs of about the same proportion as the Mordians, whereas the Marines have piped cuffs of longer length. The Mordians have more pronounced epaulets than the Marines do, although neither have them nearly as pronounced as the Mordians. The coat worn by the Prussians is plain, unlike the coats worn by the Marines which are covered in pockets. The only thing that the Marines have on the Prussians is the bloodstripe on the trousers, the more pronounced piping on the coats (only barely), and the visored cover, which as shown in the boxart for the Prussian Landeswehr, is also a uniform item of the prussian troops... (which I will point out are closer in appearance to the Mordians covers than the Marines are).

And again, Steel Legion are a closer match for German troops than the DKoK are, but its the WW2 Fallschirmjaeger, not the Army itself that they match.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:You know Prussians are Germans right? They even have Iron Crosses in that pic.

Alright I admit, history isnt too much of my forte. Although technically Prussia first made the iron cross, then Germany (going by political names)

chaos0xomega wrote:I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

I wouldnt blame the fanbase too much, its mainly GWs problem for making very ambiguous regiments. The words Krieg and the helmet immediately give a german impression since most people do not easily recognize the french uniform they wear

I believe the Iron Cross ultimately comes from the German Knightly Order the "Teutonic Knights". As in Teutons/Germans.
While originally a Baltic area, Prussia became German during the early Middle Ages and later came to epitomize German military tradition.
It was the Prussians that led the other German states into unification in 1871 aside from a few holdouts like Austria who didn't like the idea that the Prussians and not them would be in charge.

Anyway, the epaulettes on the Mordians I feel are more French or Italian though the hats remind me of the British.


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Regards the Krieg helmets, while having a stahlhelm look, the vent on top I think gives it a look similar to the French adrienne helmet though it may just be meant to tie in to the vent on top of the space marine helmets.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Devastator wrote:

Varrick wrote: Death Korps of Kreig leads in on its name. Very dark, very Wehrmacht looking, .

They are closer to ww1 era soldiers than Heer.
Steel legion is pretty much the closest thing you can get to Heer.

They're even closer to Luftwaffe (Fallschirmjaeger, compare their kit and its almost a dead ringer)

The DKoK, despite the majority of players insistence that they are German are actually closer to French or Belgian WW1 troops in appearance.

Good to know, I thought it was pronounced kreeg, I'll change that.

Thats actually accurate (creeg/kreeg), just note that the g at the end is not a very hard g, a native german speaker would pronounce it kinda in between a g and a k sound, rather than a full on hard g or hard k (as in tag or creek).

Also for future reference to non native (American) English speakers, creek is a poor choice of word to pick to explain to someone how to pronounce something. There are large parts of this country that pronounce creek like crick.

Well, the Death Koprs of Krieg are actually designed after german WW1 forces. Theyve got the same style helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform color along with a german style trench/ overcoat, they all wear gas masks, etc.
Also, their mortars have a striking ressemblence to Austrio Hungarian mortars. Not only that but their big guns are deployed in a similar manner.

If by same helmet, battled in wasteland and trenches, have a grey uniform, and trench/overcoat, and wear gas masks, you mean they are modeled after the WW1 french army, you would be correct.

I don't know where the idea that greatcoat + gas mask = german came from, but its horribly horribly wrong.

Jollydevil wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:and Steel Legion and Mordians.

Steel legion maybe, not as much as DKoK, but Mordian, na, more of the marines.

You're still going to argue against that, despite the fact that Kroothawk posted images of Prussian dress uniforms that are even closer matches for the Mordians than the Marines are? Okay, so the Mordians are wearing visored covers instead of pickelhaube, but the prussians wore those too... in fact they invented them (IIRC), or at the very least they made them popular by issuing them out as the standard headgear of the Landeswehr. Would you like me to point out some specifics to you? For one, the Prussians are wearing high boots like the Mordians, unlike the Marines wearing low quarters. The Prussians have solid color cuffs of about the same proportion as the Mordians, whereas the Marines have piped cuffs of longer length. The Mordians have more pronounced epaulets than the Marines do, although neither have them nearly as pronounced as the Mordians. The coat worn by the Prussians is plain, unlike the coats worn by the Marines which are covered in pockets. The only thing that the Marines have on the Prussians is the bloodstripe on the trousers, the more pronounced piping on the coats (only barely), and the visored cover, which as shown in the boxart for the Prussian Landeswehr, is also a uniform item of the prussian troops... (which I will point out are closer in appearance to the Mordians covers than the Marines are).

And again, Steel Legion are a closer match for German troops than the DKoK are, but its the WW2 Fallschirmjaeger, not the Army itself that they match.

They DKoK are not moronically painted blue and red. /arguement.


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However, I can see what youre saying, so saying that theyre modelled off of just Germans or Just french is both wrong.

I don't see how you can argue that they aren't german-based. Yes, their uniform takes elements from other great war forces, but "Korps", "Krieg", and the fact that they are all painted in grey and black make it pretty obvious that the designers were going for great war germans. Though I think they would look really good painted in the drab blue-grey of late war french.

Let's just say, that in Germany, Mordians are always associated with US Marine Dress Uniform, not with Prussia. Even I being familiar with historical uniforms, never thought of them as being Prussian inspired. Being a shiney dress uniform, the soldiers are reluctant to crawl in the dirt with it.

actually, what once was Prussia is now the heart of Germany.


at the time, there was no Germany, but a collection of german states with Prussia being the most powerful.

Berlin was also the capital of Prussia.




Prussia, and its method of organization, was the model for the germany today.

Grey Templar wrote:actually, what once was Prussia is now the heart of Germany.

at the time, there was no Germany, but a collection of german states with Prussia being the most powerful.

Berlin was also the capital of Prussia.

Prussia, and its method of organization, was the model for the germany today.

Not exactly.
Parts of former Prussia were left to the GDR and later joined the FRG but the name was undone by the allies, so today there is no prussia.
As a federal state Berlin is Berlin, thus independent and the surronding area is Brandenburg, capital is Potsdam.
So not much left of prussia. The method of organization was the model for some time, but may change with ongoing reforms.
Don't underestimate the influence of multinational campaigns and limited money.

o.o he asked for help with colours, talking about how prussia is the current Germany's great grand daddy is a bit off subject o.o

personally if i could afford it i would get steel legion with there gas masks and long coats, but i think your best bet would be the mordiant colour scheme of a royal/ultramarine blue with sharp red trimming gold tassels, but if your after trench, i think your best bet would be steel sorry i dont know if this is very helpful or not.

:edit:

to many currents x)

If you don't mind the scale difference, Steel Legion, Krieg, Mordians, or Valhallans could all be built pretty cheaply out of historical miniatures (and separately purchased gas mask heads for DKOK and SL), backed up by GW tanks and bits-ordered special and heavy weapons.

Every Imperial Army has a counterpart in Human history, eg Armageddon Legion - WWI Trench warfare, Valhallan Ice Warriors - WWII Russian Troops on the W/front etc...

I think that why GW bases a few armies on the WWI germans is because they are easily recognizable, unlike cadian could be any modern western army

fleet of claw wrote:

I think that why GW bases a few armies on the WWI germans is because they are easily recognizable, unlike cadian could be any modern western army

Armies were easier to recognize before WW1 and the move to less colorful uniforms.

I think the choice of grey and numbers instead of names, plus gasmasks to hide the face was to give 40k a WW1 style army of faceless grey hordes who fight entrenched and die unsung. To mix uniforms isn't so bad since its sci-fantasy and not historical wargaming.

just like to comment on the whold prussia germany issue. TECHNICALLY prussia isnt the current germany atall. prussia was the leader of the first form of a unified germany but after Stalin shifted all the borders after the 2nd world war the majority of prussian land in the unified form of germany, now lies in poland. just let that one sit for a while

No one said it was exactly the same.



Prussia as a political and social entity is very much a part of Germany today.

it was the Prussian military heritage which existed during the 3rd Rich.

If we're going on this tangent, then it should be noted that the country we call Prussia, which took the lead in uniting modern Germany, was politically centered in and traced its heritage from Brandenburg, and only came to be known as Prussia due to the Margraves of Brandenburg wanting to go by a more prestigious title. Geographic Prussia is no longer part of Germany, but Brandenburg still is. Just about everything thought of as "Prussian" really got started in Brandenburg.

fleet of claw wrote:Valhallan Ice Warriors - WWII Russian Troops on the W/front etc...

Russia didnt fight on the Western front....

GW "bases" their IG armies on real world military uniforms. They Don't just say "lets make an IG army that looks exactly like a german infantry soldier from WW1 and sell it as an IG army" no they take different aspects of armies and combine them to make something fresh. So you can sit here all day and bicker back an forth about which god damn real world army each regiment is based on or you can just sit back, and interpret each army the way you want....not everyone is going to see the same thing you do. As for Mordian though......they are not even close to based on US marines....its just stupid to even think that. A marine doesnt wear Brightly colored uniforms into battle....nor would they be afraid to get down on all fours and crawl to kill their enemy(that should be a key interpretation for Victorian age military anyway) and last but by no means least a United States Marine would not have those ornate Shoulder boards on their uniform.....OH yeah and Mordian are also painted in different colors...look in the 3rd edition IG codex, the alternate colors will scream Victorian even more.

Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

Pretty much though I think Cadians are generic 20th century NATO types.

I suspect that the 'new' Cadian plastics were heavily influenced by the first Starship Troopers film.

cadbren wrote:

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

Why would the steel legion be german paratroopers? Paratroopers don't wear gas masks. Also, I think that cadians are more of un/ NATO than us.
Ps-using the iPad, so sorry about the quoting issues.

Pretty much though I think Cadians are generic 20th century NATO types.

Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

You mean these Luftwaffe paratroopers? They are both based on trench units from the first world war and frankly i don't think ANY paratrooper regiment would wear a greatcoat like that.

Want more? http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/fallschirmjager-2513-p.asp
Hows this link to historically accurate miniatures fare? Steel Legion are based off of WWI trench fighter variations.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Only the helmet is direct from the Fallschrmjager; and even then i would say its more related to the standard infantrymans helmet. The coat and rest of the uniform is based on BRITISH WWI uniforms. Including the gas mask. Therefore the helmet alone dosen't make them based off of WWII German para-corps any more than my cap makes me based on a...*puts on fez* Dr. Who.

Space Nazis:

Omegus wrote:Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

So you are from Iowa?

Varrick wrote:

KOS wrote:Steel Legion are luftwaffe paratroopers, not WW1 trench warfare. The ones you are talking about are Death Korps of Krieg regiments.

Valhallans on WW2 Soviets.

Cadians on USA

Catachans mainly on Rambo

Mordians, I have always thought about Prussians or anyway European armies of the late 19th century.

Vostroyans, Russian cossacks 19th century ?

You mean these Luftwaffe paratroopers? They are both based on trench units from the first world war and frankly i don't think ANY paratrooper regiment would wear a greatcoat like that.

Want more? http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/fallschirmjager-2513-p.asp
Hows this link to historically accurate miniatures fare? Steel Legion are based off of WWI trench fighter variations.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Only the helmet is direct from the Fallschrmjager; and even then i would say its more related to the standard infantrymans helmet. The coat and rest of the uniform is based on BRITISH WWI uniforms. Including the gas mask. Therefore the helmet alone dosen't make them based off of WWII German para-corps any more than my cap makes me based on a...*puts on fez* Dr. Who.

Im sorry, but you're horribly wrong. Nobody in WW1 wore coats like the Steel Legion, its not even a great coat, it pretty much IS a smock, just like in the pics you've posted, the only difference is that the Steel Legion don't tuck them in like FJ did, but guess what, not every FJ tucked his smock in either:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/357962-2/Digitalizar0002
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/254293-2/RV47

As for gasmasks, those bear a closer resemblance to an aviators breath mask rather than a gas mask. Gas masks usually cover the entire face, INCLUDING the british gas masks of WW1...
http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1680&bih=857&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ww1+british+gas+mask&oq=ww1+british+gas+mask&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=undefined&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=40398l43330l0l20l18l0l10l10l0l446l1413l3.3.1.0.1l8

Even so the uniform for Steel legion is based off of Royal British Infantryman smocks not those worn by the Luftwaffe paratroopers, that 2nd image was of an Italian paratrooper, i shouldn't have expected you top go to the WH40k wiki link its mainly the respirator box.

Armageddon Steel legion page of the Wh40k wikia
Parts of the uniform are drawn from the British Royal Army's infantry uniform in World War I (the coats are modeled on the British 1914 Utility Tunic and the gas masks are of the 1916 Box-Respirator type) and the German Paratroops (Fallschirmjäger) of World War II (particularly the Steel Legion's helmet design).

The Steel Legion "smocks" Are great coats

The soldiers of the Steel Legions require gas masks and thick, synthetic trenchcoats

and that great coat is modeled after one which was issued to Royal British soldiers in 1914; may not see many wearing it but do a quick Google search. Or let me .
And as for the first image that smock is not nearly big enough to be considered a coat for the Steel Legion; that is basically the uniform shirt for a set of fatigues.
But Steel Legion don't wear smocks they wear thick trench coats, there WERE coats like the Steel Legions worn in WW one, and the only way Steel Legion COULD tuck that coat in was if their pants had that much room at the legs.

All quotes were from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion

Kroothawk wrote:

Omegus wrote:Can we really differentiate Prussians and Germans? Basically same folks, basically same landmass.

So you are from Iowa?

Well, if we're speaking in the most general of terms... Iowans are all ass-holes. I'm an ass-hole. So yeah, basically I'm from Iowa.

1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.
2) steel legion are mobile infantry, wearing rebreathers.
3) pics:

Gw models
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1140104
uniforms in museum ( infantry, para on the right )
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3625824801_5d1eef8120.jpg
fallschirmjäger als infanterie eingesetzt
http://i28.tinypic.com/2zfiudk.jpg
coat:
http://www.modelsbooks.ru/products_pictures/b14.jpg

German uniforms are either longer or shorter than the "steel legions uniform".
Helmet may be looking a bit like FJ-helmet, but surely this design wasn't copyrighted....
Gloves are out of scale on SL, but never put over the sleeves of the coat like SL in WW2 armies from mid-europe.

4) not painted grey or in camo.

edited to link only.

1hadhq wrote:1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.
2) steel legion are mobile infantry, wearing rebreathers.
3) pics:

Gw models

uniforms in museum ( infantry, para on the right )
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3625824801_5d1eef8120.jpg
fallschirmjäger als infanterie eingesetzt
http://i28.tinypic.com/2zfiudk.jpg
coat:
http://www.modelsbooks.ru/products_pictures/b14.jpg

German uniforms are either longer or shorter than the "steel legions uniform".
Helmet may be looking a bit like FJ-helmet, but surely this design wasn't copyrighted....
Gloves are out of scale on SL, but never put over the sleeves of the coat like SL in WW2 armies from mid-europe.

4) not painted grey or in camo.

403 on first link.

1hadhq wrote:1) GW models are a mixture of multiple uniforms, at best from one era.

Thats what I was trying to get accross in my post here. At least someone agrees with me. As for me though i've always viewed Steel Legion as Nazi Germany...especially from their fluff about battle tactics

Kazerkinelite wrote:

fleet of claw wrote:GW "bases" their IG armies on real world military uniforms. They Don't just say "lets make an IG army that looks exactly like a german infantry soldier from WW1 and sell it as an IG army" no they take different aspects of armies and combine them to make something fresh.

The Steel Legion regiments are primarily Mechanized Infantry, and Armageddon produces many armoured fighting vehicles for the Imperium, such as Chimera APCs. This allows them to launch rapid attacks in which the Chimeras overrun enemy lines before the infantry disembarks to finish them off. Regiments are sometimes supported by Conscript Platoons and Ratling snipers.

The mechanized regiments of the Steel legion are extremely mobile and can be shifted within shortest time to the front or to support a threatened front section.