Well it looks like the event is about to get underway in a couple of hours in Switzerland. If no one else posts updates here I will do it when I wake up.

To wet your appitites in the first round it is:
Team USA
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=89296
vs.
Team Greece
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=89322

Also they run a singles event before the team ETC and here are those results:
http://lordsoflegends.de/aukt/final.pdf
The 2 USA players ended up in the middle of the pack.

Good Luck to all the teams and as I always say: may you roll averages.

Hope the boys at team USA do well.

America, feth yeah! Comin again to save the [Mod Edit - Language, please!] day, yeah!

Good luck boys!

Nevermind the USA, Team England are up against the Swiss in round 1. It'll be interesting to see how this goes, best of luck to our lads.

e: Apparently my flag says I'm American now :S

Round #1 pairings:
Finland vs Republic of Ireland
Norway vs Latvia
Denmark vs Poland
Italy vs Sweden
Switzerland vs England
Germany vs Wales
Northern Ireland vs Austria
Russia vs Belgium
Spain vs Czech Republic
France vs Belarus
Greece vs USA
Scotland vs Euro Merc Team

Round 1 republic of ireland defeats finland



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Round 1 40k results
Germany 2 DEF Wales 0
Spain 2 DEF Czech Republic 0
Scotland 2 DEF Euro Merc Team 0
France 2 DEF Belarus 0
Switzerland 1 DREW England 1
Italy 1 DREW Sweden 1
Northern Ireland 1 DREW Austria 1
Republic of Ireland 2 DEF Finland 0
Belgium 2 DEF Russia 0
Poland 2 DEF Denmark 0
Latvia 2 DEF Norway 0
USA 2 DEF Greece 0

U.S. playing German round 2--will be tough.


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RankingsHQ tweeted huge show down between Germany and US 40k teams in round 2

Hello guys,

my name is Lupinus. i'm from germany and reporting for you from the etc 2011. i'm writing under the name of chtiofonce.

here a link to the paarings- and resultsheets

https://picasaweb.google.com/104960327708584073250/40kETC2011#

i will update it frequently, but i have a lot to do here so dont be to hard with me...
i will put some fotos on there too..

so have fun and stay cool ;-)

yours Lupinus


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and one more thing to say, as i mentioned i'm from germany and i think the most of you know that we are fighting against your team. i want to say that is an honour for us to do that, and further it is an extremly hard fight...

respect to the skills of your team and from me to your very nice coach ;-)

lupinus

Can't read the pictures on my phone. What are America's results so far?

Republic of Ireland and Belgium fight to a draw in round 2. Don't know how the U.S./Germany match finished yet.


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Germany crushes U.S. in round 2!

So me again,

i have a bad news for you: your team fighted very hard but in the end the german did it...
at the first 2 rounds your guys were heading for victory but the germans never gave up and turned tables!

i have written down the results and can say to you that in the end it is an

105 to 55 for germany...

but as i mentioned before it was a honour for the german team and wish you best for the rest of the tournament!

greetings Lupinus

ps: i'm sorry for my bad english

Quite a drubbing your German team inflicted on the U.S. team. This makes the Germans the #1 favorite.

The lads are getting on alright then Olympia?

Result updates will eventually get here among other places
(one probably has to wait for the end of the tourney/day for player-spesific results, though).

FB: http://www.tabletoptournaments.net/etc/2011/Warhammer
40k: http://www.tabletoptournaments.net/etc/2011/Warhammer-40K
http://rankingshq.com/tavern/ (40k and FB sections)

Search twitter for #etc11 for more links

Da Boss wrote:The lads are getting on alright then Olympia?

No one arrested as far as I know and all limbs still attached!

I'm so proud of Woody.

ok the results of the second round are updated

https://picasaweb.google.com/104960327708584073250/40kETC2011#

Well played germany. Good luck in the rest of the event.

Too bad usa got knocked out. Better luck next year, fellas.

2 of 6? rounds have been played. I don't think one loss knocked us out considering we had the largest win in the first round.

If Germany loses (a big if) the U.S. could be right back in it!

Here is a breakdown of the USA vs. Germany round #2

USA loses badly 105-55

It looks like there where a lot of bad match-ups for the USA.
Orks vs. Chaos is bad for the USA
GK vs WH is bad (24" range vs. 48" range)
Nids vs. Mech Eldar
Eldar vs. Orks (Greg always has problems with Orks)

Where on the other hand there are no match-ups on the German side where I think they are in trouble.



Game #1 USA's Black Templar vs. Germany's Grey Knights Germans win 14-6
PLAYER: Nick "Darkwynn" Rose

ARMY DESCRIPTION: Black Templars

HQ 1: Commander (7#, 521 pts)
1 Marshal, 128 pts = (base cost 80 + Chain Fist x1 30 + Storm Shield x1 15 + Tank Hunters 3)
1 Adamantine Mantle, 35 pts
1 Terminator Armor, 25 pts

5 Terminator Command Squad, 275 pts = 5 * 43 (base cost 40 + Tank Hunters 3) + Cyclone Missile Launcher x2 50 + Chain Fist x2 10
1 Sergeant, 58 pts = (base cost 40 + Storm Shield x1 15 + Tank Hunters 3)

HQ 2:Emperor's Champion (1#, 140 pts)
1 Emperor's Champion, 140 pts = (base cost 90 + Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds 50)

Elite: Sword Brethren Terminator Assault Squad (7#, 301 pts)
7 Sword Brethren Terminator Assault Squad, 301 pts = 7 * 43 (base cost 40 + Tank Hunters 3)
7 Thunder Hammer Storm Shields

Troops 1: Crusader Squad
6 Crusader Squad, 121 pts = 6 * 16 (base cost 16) + Meltagun 10 + Power Fist 15) Base Bolt pistol, close combat
2 Neophytes (Shotguns), 20 pts = 2 * 10
In Transport 1

Troops 2: Crusader Squad
6 Crusader Squad, 121 pts = 6 * 16 (base cost 16) + Meltagun 10 + Power Fist 15) Base bolt pistol and close combat
2 Neophytes (Shotguns), 20 pts = 2 * 10
in Transport 2

Troops 3: Crusader Squad
6 Crusader Squad, 111 pts = 6 * 16 (base cost 16) + Lascannon 15 (Bolters)
In transport 3

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron
2 Land Speeder Squadron, 140 pts = 2 * 50 (base cost 50) + Typhoon Missile Launcher x2 40
2 Land Speeder Squadron, 140 pts = 2 * 50 (base cost 50) + Typhoon Missile Launcher x2 40

Transport 1 1 Drop Pod, 30 pts
Transport 2: 1 Drop Pod, 30 pts
Transport 3: 1 Rhino, 53 pts Smoke launchers 3pts
Total Roster Cost: 1748

vs.

Player: Fritz Peters, Lews Therin Telamon
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Grey Knights

HQ1: Librarian (150), Nemesis-Force-Sword, Quicksilver (5), Might of Titan (5), Sanctuary (5), Shrouding (5) = 170 pts
HQ2: Inquisitor of Ordo Xenos (25), 3 Servoskulls (9), Psykotroke Grenades (15) = 49 pts

Elite 1: Vindicare Assassin = 145 pts.
Elite 2: Techmarine (90), Conversionbeamer (20) = 110 pts.
Elite 3: Inquisitorial Henchmen: 2 Jokaero Weaponsmith (70), 4 Warrior Acolytes(16) = 86

Troops 1: 10 Grey Knight Terminators (400), 7 Nemesis-Force-Halberds, 1 Nemesis-Daemonhammer, Justicar with Nemesis-Force-Halberd, Brotherhood banner (25), 2 Psycannons (50), Psybolt Ammunition (20)= 495
Troops 2: 10 Grey Knights (200), 7 Nemesis-Force-Swords, Justicar with Nemesis-Force-Sword, 2 Psycannons (20), Psybolt-Ammunition (20) = 240 pts. in Transport 1

HS 1: Cybot (115), twin-linked Autocannon (5), twin-linked Autocannon (10), Psybolt-Ammunition (5) = 135 pts.
HS 2: Cybot (115), twin-linked Autocannon (5), twin-linked Autocannon (10), Psybolt-Ammunition (5) = 135 pts.
HS 3: Cybot (115), twin-linked Autocannon (5), twin-linked Autocannon (10), Psybolt-Ammunition (5) = 135 pts.

Transport 1: Razorback (45) + Heavy Bolter, Psi-active Ammunition [Troops 2] = 50 pts

Total 1750 pts.

Game #2 USA's Orks vs. Germany's Chaos Space Marines Germans win 14-6

PLAYER: Shaun Kemp
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Orks

HQ: Big Mek (35), Kustom Force Field (50) [85]

ELITE 1: meganobz (40*3), combi-skorcha (5*2) [130] in transport 1
ELITE 2: meganobz (40*3), combi-skorcha (5*2) [130] in transport 2

TROOPS 1: ork boyz with choppa and slugga(6*18), nob upgrade (10), power klaw (25), boss pole (5) [148]
TROOPS 2: ork boyz with choppa and slugga(6*18), nob upgrade (10), power klaw (25), boss pole (5) [148]
TROOPS 3: ork boyz with choppa and slugga(6*18), nob upgrade (10), power klaw (25), boss pole (5) [148]
TROOPS 4: ork boyz with shootas (6*20), rokkits (10*2), nob upgrade (10), power klaw (25), boss pole (5) [180]
TROOPS 5 :gretchin (3*11), runtherd (10) [43]
TROOPS 6: gretchin (3*11), runtherd (10) [43]

FAST ATTACK 1: warbuggies (30*2), twin linked rokkit (5*2) [70]
FAST ATTACK 2: warbuggies (30*2), twin linked rokkit (5*2) [70]

HEAVY SUPPORT 1: battlewagon (90), big shoota (5) [95]
HEAVY SUPPORT 2: battlewagon (90), big shoota (5), deff rolla (20) [115]
HEAVY SUPPORT 3: battlewagon (90), big shoota (5), deff rolla (20) [115]

TRANSPORT 1: battlewagon (90), big shoota (5), deff rolla (20) elites 1 [115]
TRANSPORT 2: battlewagon (90), big shoota (5), deff rolla (20) elites 2 [115]

TOTAL: 1750

vs.

Player: Roland Zaglauer, vip-user (Captain)
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Chaos Space Marines

HQ 1: Daemon Prince (110)+ Wings (20)+ Mark of Slaanesh (5)+ Lash of Submission (20)= 155 pts
HQ 2: Daemon Prince (110)+ Wings (20)+ Mark of Slaanesh (5)+ Lash of Submission (20)= 155 pts

Elite 1: 3 Chaos Terminators (90) + 3x combi-meltagun (3×5) = 105 pts in Transport 1
Elite 2: 3 Chaos Terminators (90) + 3x combi-meltagun (3×5) = 105 pts in Transport 2

Troop 1: 5 Chaos Space Marines 75 pts
Troop 2: 5 Chaos Space Marines 75 pts
Troop 3: 5 Chaos Space Marines (75) + Flamer (5) = 80 pts in Transport 3

HS 1: 3 Obliterators 225 pts
HS 2: 2 Obliterators 150 pts
HS 3: 2 Obliterators 150 pts

Transport 1: Chaos Land Raider [Terminator Squad (Elite 1)] 220 pts
Transport 2: Chaos Land Raider [Terminator Squad (Elite 2)] 220 pts
Transport 3: Chaos Rhino [Chaos Space Marines Squad (Troop 3)] 35 pts

Total: 1750 pts

Game #3 USA's Grey Knights vs. Germans Witch Hunters Germany wins 12-8
Player: Jon "The Man" Willingham
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Grey Knights

HQ 1: Librarian (150), Quicksilver (5), Might of Titan (5), Sanctuary (5), The Shrouding (5) [170pts]

Elite 1: Purifiers
8 Purifiers (192), 4 Halberds (8), 2 Daemon Hammers (10), 2 Psycannons (20), 1 Knight of the Flame with Halberd (26) [256pts] in transport 1

Elite 2: Techmarine (90), Rad Gernades (10), Psychotroke Grenades (15), 2 Sevo Skulls (4) [119pts]

Troop: Strike Squad
9 Grey Knights (180), 2 Psycannons (20), 1 Justicar with Daemon Hammer (25) [225pts] in transport 2
9 Grey Knights (180), 2 Psycannons (20), 1 Justicar with Daemon Hammer (25), Psybolt Ammo (20) [245pts]
9 Grey Knights (180), 2 Psycannons (20), 1 Justicar (20), Psybolt Ammo (20) [240pts]

Heavy Support 1readnought (115), Twin-Linked Auto Cannon (10), Twin-Linked Autocannon (5), Psybolt Ammo (5) [135]
Heavy Support 2readnought (115), Twin-Linked Auto Cannon (10), Twin-Linked Autocannon (5), Psybolt Ammo (5) [135]
Heavy Support 3readnought (115), Twin-Linked Auto Cannon (10), Twin-Linked Autocannon (5), Psybolt Ammo (5) [135]

Transport 1: Rhino, Dozer Blades (5) [45] Elite 1
Transport 2: Rhino, Dozer Blades (5) [45] Troop 1

Total: 1750

vs.

Player: Jakob Salzmann, Amasec
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Witch Hunters - using inducted imperial guard

HQ 1 : inquisitor lord (45) with psychic hood (20), Excruciators (5), Psi-tracker (15) , Hammer of the witches (20) = 105 pts
Retinue: 3 warriors (30) with 3 plasmaguns (30) = 60 pts
HQ 2: Canoness (45) with Eviscerator (25), Book of St. Lucius (5) =75 pts

Troop 1 : 5 inquisitorial storm troopers (50), 2 plasmaguns (20) = 70 pts
Troop 2 : 5 inquisitorial storm troopers (50), 2 plasmaguns (20) = 70 pts
Troop 3 : Inducted imperial guard platoon:
- platoon command (30) with power fist (15), 4 meltaguns (40) = 85 pts
- 1. infantry squad (50) with 1 meltagun (10) = 60 pts
- 2. infantry squad (50) with 1 meltagun (10) = 60 pts
Troop 4 : Inducted imperial guard platoon:
- platoon command (30) with 4 meltaguns (40) = 70 pts in Transport 2
- 1. infantry squad (50) with 1 Lascannon (20) = 70 pts in Transport 3
- 2. infantry squad (50) with 1 Lascannon (20) = 70 pts in Transport 4

FA 1: 2*Scout Sentinels (70) with 2 Autocannons (10) = 80 pts
FA 2: 2*Scout Sentinels (70) with 2 Lascannons (30) = 100 pts
FA 3: 2*Amoured Sentinels (110) with 2*Plasma Cannons (40) = 150 pts

HS 1: Exorzist = 135
HS 2: Exorzist = 135
HS 3: Exorzist = 135

Transport 1: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [Troop3] = 55 pts
Transport 2: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [Troop4] = 55 pts
Transport 3: Chimera (55) + heavy bolter [Troop4] = 55 pts
Transport 4: Chimera (55) + heavy bolter [Troop4] = 55 pts
Total: 1750 pts

Game #4 USA's Space Marines vs. Germany's Space Wolves USA wins 20-0
PLAYER: Ben Mohlie
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Space Marines

HQ 1: Librarian: Null Zone, Gate of Infinity [100]

Elite 1: 5 Assault Terminators with thunder hammer storm shield [200]
Elite 2: Dreadnought: twin linked auto-cannon(10), twin linked auto-cannon(10) [125]
Elite 3: Dreadnought: Multimelta (free), storm bolter (free) [105]

Troop 1: Tactical Squad
7 marines with bolters, 1 marine with meltagun (5), 1 marine with missile launcher(free), 1 Sgt. with Power fist (25), combi-melta(10) [210] (has transport 1)

Troop 2: Tactical Squad
7 Marines with bolters, 1 marine flamer(free), 1 marine with missile launcher (free) 1 sgt with bolter [170] (has transport 2)

Troop 3: Tactical Squad
7 Marines with bolters, 1 marine flamer(free), 1 marine with missile launcher (free) 1 sgt with bolter [170] (has transport 3)

Fast Attack 1: Land Speeder: (50) heavy bolter (free), typhoon missile launcher (40) [90]

Fast Attack 2: Land Speeder: (50) heavy bolter (free), typhoon missile launcher (40) [90]

Heavy Support 1: Land Raider: extra armor (15), Multi-Melta (10) [275]

Heavy Support 2:Thunderfire Cannon: [100]

Transport 1: Rhino [35]
Transport 2: Rhazorback twin heavy bolters [40]
Transport 3: Rhazorback twin heavy bolters [40]

Total: 1750

vs.

Player: Kayu „Fenneq“ Orellana
Army: Space Wulves

HQ1: Wolflord (100p), Saga of the bear (35), 1 x powerfist (25), 1 x Stormshield (30), thunderwolf (45), Runearmor (20), wolvetail talisman (5) [260p]
HQ2: Runepriest (100), chooser of the slain(10), living lightning(0), jaws(0) [110p]
HQ3: Runepriest (100), wolftail talisman (5), chooser of the slain (10), murderous hurricane (0), jaws (0) [115p]

Elite1: Dreadnought (105), dccw (0), Stormbolter(0),assaultcannon(0) [105 ]
Elite2: 5 Wolfscouts (5x15), Meltagun(10) [85]
Elite3: 3 Wolveguards in servopants (3x18): I. 1 x Kombi-Flamer(5), Powerfist (20) II. Kombimeltagun (5), Powerfist (20), III. Kombimeltagun(5), Powerfist (20)
2 Terminator-Guards (2x33): I. 1 x Stormbolter(0), 1 x Cyclonemissilelauncher (30), 1 x Powerweapon (0), II. 1 x Kombimeltagun (5), 1 x Chainfist (15) [245p]

troops1: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 1 [105p]
troops2: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 2 [105p]
troops3: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 3 [105p]
troops1: 5 Greyhunters (5x15), Meltagun(5) in Transport 4 [80p]

FA1: 5 fenrisian wolves (5x8) [40p]
FA2: 1 Landspeeder (50), 1x Multimelta (10) [60p]

HS1: 6 Longfangs (6x15), 2 x Missilelauncher (2x10), 3 x Lascannons (3x25), Grimwolf (0) [185p]

Transport 1: Rhino (35), dozerblade(5) [40p]
Transport 2: Rhino (35), dozerblade(5) [40p]
Transport 3: droppod (35) [35p]
Transport 4: Rhino (35) [35p]
Total Points Space Wolves : 1750

Game #5 USA's Space Wolves vs. Germany's Imperial Guard Germany wins 18-2
Player: Tony Kopach
Army Description: Space Wolves

Total Roster Cost : 1750

HQ 1 : Rune Priest Jaws of the World Wolf, Living Lightning, Chooser of the Slain (10), Wolf Tail Talisman (5) [115]

Elite 1 : Wolf Guard (18*5), Combi-melta (5*5), Powerfist(20*5) [220]
Elite 2 : Wolf Scouts (15*5), Meltagun(10), Meltabombs(5*5) [110]

Troop 1 : Grey Hunters (15*7), Meltagun(5), Wolf Standard(10) {120}
In Transport 1
Troop 2 : Grey Hunters (15*8), Meltagun(5), Wolf standard(10) [135]
In Transport 2
Troop 3 : Grey Hunters (15*8), Meltagun(5), Wolf standard(10) [135]
In Transport 3
Troop 4 : Grey Hunters (15*8), Meltagun(5), Wolf standard(10) [135]
In Transport 4
Troop 5 : Grey Hunters (15*5), Flamer(free) [75]
In Transport 5
Troop 6 : Grey Hunters (15*5), Flamer(free) [75]
In Transport 6

Heavy 1 : Long Fangs (15*5), Missile Launchers(10*4) [115]
Heavy 2 : Long Fangs (15*5), Missile Launchers(10*4) [115]
Heavy 3 : Long Fangs (15*5), Missile Launchers(10*4) [115]

Transport 1 : Rhino [35]
Transport 2 : Rhino [35]
Transport 3 : Rhino [35]
Transport 4 : Rhino [35]
Transport 5 : Razorback(40), Lascannon TL Plasmagun(35) [75]
Transport 6 : Razorback(40), Lascannon TL Plasmagun(35) [75]

vs.'

Player: Simon Oerding, braindead
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Imperial Guard

HQ: Company Command Squad (50) + 3 Meltaguns (30) + Banner (15) + Laspistol (free) = 95 pts in Transport 1

Elite 1: 6 Battle Psykers + Overseer = 80 pts

Troop 1: Platoon Command Squad (30) + 4 Meltaguns (40) = 70 pts in Transport 2
Infantry Squad (50) + Commissar (35) = 85 pts
Infantry Squad (50) = 50 pts
Heavy Weapon Team (60) + 3 autocannons (15) = 75 pts
Heavy Weapon Team (60) + 3 autocannons (15) = 75 pts

Troop2: Veteran Squad (70) + 3 plasma guns (45) = 115 pts in Transport 3

FA1: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts
FA2: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts
FA3: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts

HS1: Manticore (160) + heavy flamer = 160 pts
HS2: Manticore (160) + heavy flamer = 160 pts
HS3: Leman Russ Executioner (190) + plasma sponsons (40) + hull heavy bolter = 230 pts

Transport 1: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [HQ] = 55 pts
Transport 2: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [Troop1] = 55 pts
Transport 2: Chimera (55) + heavy bolter [Troop2] = 55 pts

Total: 1750 pts


Game #6 USA's IG vs Germany's BA Germany wins 18-2
PLAYER: Paul Miglino

ARMY DESCRIPTION: Imperial Guard

HQ 1: Command Squad (50), 4 Plasma Guns (60), Officer of the Fleet (30), in Transport 1 [140pts]

EL 1: Psyker Battle Squad (60), 3 Added Psykers (30), Overseer (0), in Transport 2 [90pts]

TP 1.1: Command Platoon Squad (30), 3 Flamers (15), in Transport 3 [45pts]
TP 1.2: Infantry Squad (50), Lascannon (20), Power Weapon (10), Commissar with Power Weapon (45) [125pts]
TP 1.3: Infantry Squad (50), Lascannon (20) [70pts]
TP 1.4: Infantry Squad (50), Lascannon (20) [70pts]

TP 2:0 Veteran Squad (70), 3 Melta Guns (30), Lascannon (20), in Transport 4 [120pts]

FA 1: Vendetta (130), Heavy Bolters (10) [140pts]
FA 2: Vendetta (130), Heavy Bolters (10) [140pts]
FA 3: Vendetta (130), Heavy Bolters (10) [140pts]

HS 1: 2 Hydras, Heavy Bolters (0) [150pts]
HS 2: 2 Hydras, Heavy Bolters (0) [150pts]
HS 3: 2 Hydras, Heavy Bolters (0) [150pts]

Transport 1: Chimera (55), Multi Laser (0), Heavy Bolter (0), Transports HQ 1 [55pts]
Transport 2: Chimera (55), Multi Laser (0), Heavy Bolter (0), Transports EL 1 [55pts]
Transport 3: Chimera (55), Multi Laser (0), Heavy Bolter (0), Transports Troop 1.1 [55pts]
Transport 4: Chimera (55), Multi Laser (0), Heavy Bolter (0), Transports Troop 2.0 [55pts]
Total Roster Cost: 1750

vs.

Player: Denis Müller
Army: Blood Angels

HQ1: Reclusiarch,(130p), 1 x powerfist (15), [145p]

Elite1: Furioso-Dreadnought (125), Blood Fist(0), frag-cannon(0),melta(0), Transport1[ 161 ]
Elite2: Furioso-Dreadnought (125), Librarian (50) [175] Wings + Shield of Sanguinius
Elite3: Furioso-Dreadnought (125), Librarian (50) [175] Wings + Shield of Sanguinius


troops1: Assault Squad, 5xAssault Marine, Meltagun (10pts), Power Fist (25pts) in Dedicated Transport #2 [161pts]
troops2: Assault Squad, 5xAssault Marine, Meltagun (10pts), Power Fist (25pts) in Dedicated Transport #3 [161pts]
troops3: Assault Squad, 5xAssault Marine, Meltagun (10pts), in Dedicated Transport #4 [131pts]



FA1: Baal-Predator, (115), Heavy Bolter(30p.), Dozer Blade (5pts), Searchlight (1pts) [151p.]
FA2: Scout-Bike-S. 3 xScout BikerKombi-Melter (10), Melterbomben (5) [85p]

HS1: Predator, Lascannon Sponsons (65pts) [135pts]
HS2: Predator, Lascannon Sponsons (65pts) [135pts]
HS3: Predator, Lascannon Sponsons (65pts) [135pts]

Transport 1: Dro-Pod [35p]
Transport 2: Razorback, Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade (5pts), Searchlight (1pts) [26pts]
Transport 3: Razorback, Heavy Flamer, Dozer Blade (5pts), Searchlight (1pts) [26pts]
Transport 4: Razorback, Heavy Bolter, , Searchlight (1pts) [21pts]

Total Points Blood Angels : 1750

Game #7 USA's Nids vs. Germany's Eldar Germany wins 20-0

Player: Jay Woodcock
Army Description: Tyranids

HQ1: Tervigon (160), Catalyst (15), Toxin Sacs (10) Adrenal Glands (10) Cluster Spines (0) 195
HQ2: Tervigon (160), Catalyst (15), Toxin Sacs (10) Adrenal Glands (10) Cluster Spines (0) 195

Elite 1 : 2 Hive Guards 100
Elite 2 : 2 Hive Guards 100
Elite 3 : 2 Hive Guards 100

Troop 1 : Tervigon (160), Catalyst (15), Toxin Sacs (10) Adrenal Glands (10) Cluster Spines (0) 195
Troop 2 : 10 Termagants ( 10*5 ) 50
Troop 3 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) 280
Troop 4 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) 280
Troop 5 : 10 Genestealers (10*14) 140
Fast 1 : 16 Gargoyle Brood (16*6), Adrenal Glands (16*1) 112
Total Roster Cost : 1747

vs.

Player: Jannik „greensword“ Röttgen
Army: Eldar

HQ1: Farseer (55), with witchblade & shuriken pistol (0), eldar jetbike (30), runes of warding (15), runes of witnessing (10), spirit stones (20), “Fortune” (30), “Mind War” (20), “Doom” (25) [205pts]
HQ1b: Seer council, 8 Warlocks (8×25=200), eldar jetbikes (8×20=160), 5 witchblades & shuriken pistols (5×0=0), 3 singing spears (3×3=9) , 2 “Embolden” (2×5=10), 1 “Enhance” (15) [394pts]

Elite1: 5 Fire Dragons (5×16=80) in Transport 1 [80pts]
Elite2: 5 Fire Dragons (5×16=80) in Transport 2 [80pts]

Troop 1: 3 Eldar guardians on jetbike (3×22=66), 1 shuriken canon(10) [76pts]
Troop 2: 5 Dire Avengers (5×12=60) in Transport 3 [60pts]
Troop 3: 5 Dire Avengers (5×12=60) [60pts]

HS1: 3 War Walkers (3×30=90), 6 scatter lasers (6×15=90) [180pts]
HS2: 2 War Walkers (2×30=60), 4 scatter lasers (4×15=60) [120pts]
HS3: 2 War Walkers (2×30=60), 4 scatter lasers (4×15=60) [120pts]

Transport1: Wave Serpent (90), twin-linked scatter laser(25), spirit stones (10). Transporting Elite1 [125pts]
Transport2: Wave Serpent (90), twin-linked scatter laser(25), spirit stones (10). Transporting Elite2 [125pts]
Transport3: Wave Serpent (90), twin-linked scatter laser(25), spirit stones (10). Transporting Troop2 [125pts]

TOTAL [1750pts]

Game #8 USA's Eldar vs. Germany's Orks Germany Wins 16-4

PLAYER: Greg, 'Inquisitor_Malice', Sparks
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Eldar

HQ1 : Avatar (155) = [155]
HQ2 : Farseer (55) Runes of Warding (15) Runes of Witnessing (10) Spirit Stones (20) Doom(25) Fortune(30) Guide(20) = [175]

Troop 1 : Wraithguard (35*10) Warlock (25) Spiritseer (6) Conceal (15) = [396]
Troop 2 : Dire Avengers (12*8) = [96]
Troop 3 : Dire Avengers (12*9), Dire Avenger Exarch (12*1), Defend (15*1), Power Weapon/Shimmershield (15*1)= [150]
Troop 4 : Eldar Jetbikes (22*3) Shuriken Cannon (10) = [76]

Fast Attack 1 : Warp Spiders (22*9) Exarch (12) Powerblades (10) Death Spinner x2 (5) Withdraw (15) = [240]

Heavy Support 1: Wraithlord (90) Bright lance (40) Wraithsword (10) Flamers (0*2) = [140]
Heavy Support 2: Wraithlord (90) Bright lance (40) Wraithsword (10) Flamers (0*2) = [140]
Heavy Support 3: War Walkers (30*3) Scatter Later (15*6) = [180]

Total: 1748

vs.

Player: Philipp "PhiSt" Streckmann
Army: Orkz

HQ1 : Big Mek (35), Kustom force shield (50), boss pole(5) [90]

Elite1 : 5 Lootaz (5×15) :[75]
Elite2 : 5 Lootaz (5×15) :[75]

Troop 1 : 30 Boyz(30×6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 2 : 30 Boyz(30×6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 3 : 29 Boyz(29×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25): [209]
Troop 4 : 29 Boyz(29×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [214]
Troop 5 : 25 Boyz(25×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) 2 big shootaz (2×5): [195]

FA1: Deffkopta (35) buzzsaw(25) :[60]

HS1: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xgrotzooka(3×10) :[135]
HS2: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xgrotzooka(3×10) :[135]
HS3: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xbig shootaz(3×5) :[120]

Total: 1748 pts

Da Boss wrote:I'm so proud of Woody.

Speaking of woody....

hello guys again,

i have updatet the results and the pairings for the 4. round, and there are some pictures too ;-)

greetings to the states!

https://picasaweb.google.com/104960327708584073250/40kETC2011

lupinus

It looks like USA 40k came back with a 105-55 win over Denmark.

USA is currently in 5th place.

The 40k heavyweights have worked their way up to the top. In round 4 it will be:
#1. Germany vs. #2. Poland
#3. Sweden vs. #5 USA
#4. Italy vs. #6 Spain

If the #7 English team would have done better, they would have been playing USA.

Well, after the untimely loss in round 2 to one of the favored teams - Germany; America is still in 5th place going into day 2...
...here is wishing them luck!

Team USA is in a good position but they have to beat Sweden who are one of the best teams, and then play 2 of the teams that are ahead of them and that will not be easy.

Its a solid team USA has, just bad matchups vs germany. Good luck to all.

Wow those are some bad matchups for USA. Ouch.

It's all about the matchups babay. BTW is Ben Mohile the best 40k player in the world or what.

Yeah, I'm thinkin...

Vanilla marines without a special character and hardly any repetition.

DarthDiggler wrote:It's all about the matchups babay. BTW is Ben Mohile the best 40k player in the world or what.

The man sure does seem to know how to win with those vanilla marines! Good job Ben!

Come on USA pull it out and torpedo to victory.

THEY HAVE SOME OF THE BEST 40K PLAYERS i have ever met on that team, they can pull it off.

Good job there Capt. America, keep setting the example for your crew and im sure they will pull it off.



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It's all about the matchups babay. BTW is Ben Mohile the best 40k player in the world or what.

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After watching Ben play twice I can say I think he is one of the most tactical people I have ever seen play the game and I really want to play him some time in a tournament.

good luck USA im pulling for you.

marc parker

https://picasaweb.google.com/104960327708584073250/40kETC2011


Updatet... to results round 4 and pairings round 5

greetings Lupinus

So, looks like we're out of it unless Germany tanks and we get full BP for the next two rounds.

puma713 wrote:So, looks like we're out of it unless Germany tanks and we get full BP for the next two rounds.

The u.s. will not win but second or third place is well within reach.

puma713 wrote:So, looks like we're out of it unless Germany tanks and we get full BP for the next two rounds.

Germany tanked and lost to Sweden, but USA is still in 4th place after beating France.

They need a win against England and they should place in the top 3.

By the way, it is in interesting American cultural phenomenon where we only concern ourselves with coming in first place. Most of the other countries placing on the podium (top 3) is considered excellent.

Blackmoor wrote:

puma713 wrote:So, looks like we're out of it unless Germany tanks and we get full BP for the next two rounds.

Germany tanked and lost to Sweden, but USA is still in 4th place after beating France.

They need a win against England and they should place in the top 3.

By the way, it is in interesting American cultural phenomenon where we only concern ourselves with coming in first place. Most of the other countries placing on the podium (top 3) is considered excellent.

I find this strange as well. Was the expectation that the U.S. would win? Now that's hubris. It's only the second year that the U.S. has sent a team.

Blackmoor wrote:By the way, it is in interesting American cultural phenomenon where we only concern ourselves with coming in first place. Most of the other countries placing on the podium (top 3) is considered excellent.

Quoted for accuracy; it is a cultural phenomenon....
..in American Culture, 2nd Place is just the first loser.

Blackmoor wrote:

By the way, it is in interesting American cultural phenomenon where we only concern ourselves with coming in first place. Most of the other countries placing on the podium (top 3) is considered excellent.

Well, when you are removed from a competition (you don't follow it closely, and it doesn't really affect you as a gamer), coming in 3rd is not really noteworthy. Don't get me wrong - it is a great achievement, but moreso for those close to the team, or those with investments in the placing itself. Coming in first, everyone remembers, even those that are removed from the tournament scene or those that don't really care about the tournament otherwise.

It may be an American phenomenon, or it may simply be a human phenomenon. Can you tell me (without looking it up), the team that placed 3rd in a major sporting event from two years ago? From the Olympics? Who got 3rd in Gymnastics two years ago? You probably could if the team was close to you (your team or the team that you pull for). Maybe you can anyway because you remember things like that well. All I remember from College Football last year was Auburn winning the National Championship. I have no idea who was 3rd in the AP behind them.


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olympia wrote:

I find this strange as well. Was the expectation that the U.S. would win? Now that's hubris. It's only the second year that the U.S. has sent a team.

You're suggesting that they shouldn't go, hoping - or even expecting - to win? Then why go?

Just had a quick look at the Tyranid list for team USA..

Today I noticed something I've overlooked on the entry for the Tervigon; you must take either crushing claws or scything talons, cheapest being the latter at 5 points.

(Thread I made the point in: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391197.page)

This would make the usual cost of a Toxin/adrenal/Cata Tervi at 200. He's priced all three at 195.

Can anyone confirm that he's priced these wrong? (I'm a touch ill at the moment and could have easily made a mistake).

*EDIT*

Every 'Nid list I see it's priced without them; something I'm not aware of?

The entry in totality reads

OPTIONS:
Take one of the following:

->I am under the assumption that if something is listed under the heading of options that you do not have to take it, otherwise it is not an option.

(Just checked on Army Builder and they have it as an option as well)

Ah, brilliant! I completely ignored the big bold words of 'OPTIONS'.

Good call.

ETC is over, final results are coming in....
...tweet reports from 40 minutes ago, showed us ahead of England

puma713 wrote:
You're suggesting that they shouldn't go, hoping - or even expecting - to win? Then why go?

I assume they went, like every other team, hoping to do their very best.

And it is offical USA just took 3rd place at least that is what Nick Rose says.

Nice! Another high finish, and an improvement over last year!

The Final Results are in – it is official, United States takes 3rd.

1.) Germany
2.) Poland
3.) United States
4.) Sweden


The Final Results for WHFB are in and the results are:

1.) Poland
2.) Denmark
3.) Russia
4.) Italy
5.) Sweden
6.) United States – not to bad, 6 of 28

Bugger. Where did England place in both? Please tell me we at least beat the home nations...

England came in:
8th in 40K - Swiss were 10th
12th in Fantasty - Swiss were 15th

Magilla, home nations are the UK countries, not the home nation. (I think)

In 40K:
#7 Wales
#8 England
#16 Scotland
#20 N. Ireland

In WFB:
#16 England
#20 Scotland
#23 N. Ireland
#27 Wales

Blackmoor wrote:Magilla, home nations are the UK countries, not the home nation. (I think)

In 40K:
#7 Wales
#8 England
#16 Scotland
#20 N. Ireland

In WFB:
#16 England
#20 Scotland
#23 N. Ireland
#27 Wales

That would make sense...

Way to go, team USA!!!

Hopefully fantasy can crack the top 3 next year, too

I don't know where you guys are coming from above, but I'm pretty happy about us getting on the podium... would love to hear a recap if someone finds a succinct one.

Blackmoor wrote:Magilla, home nations are the UK countries, not the home nation. (I think)

In 40K:
#7 Wales
#8 England
#16 Scotland
#20 N. Ireland

In WFB:
#16 England
#20 Scotland
#23 N. Ireland
#27 Wales

Blackmoor you are correct its the "UK" countries. I was playing for Team Wales we were happy to come in 7th and on top of England.
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I am curious if Tony(USA) was the youngest player there. I also am curious how he did round to round. I talked to Cole after Tony and him fought for the top table at Adepticon, and he said Tony was the best player he ever faced. That being said I think Darth has a point about Ben as well. I would really like to see a break down round to round, Team america players, armies they faced, and who won. Don know if its possible, but someone posted it after the round vs. Germ.

Ohh Yeah, and Congratz USA.

The picasa link on the first page has photos of results sheets from each round with pairings. Last time I looked I think Ben was undefeated and Tony had a loss or two.

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:I am curious if Tony(USA) was the youngest player there. I also am curious how he did round to round. I talked to Cole after Tony and him fought for the top table at Adepticon, and he said Tony was the best player he ever faced. That being said I think Darth has a point about Ben as well. I would really like to see a break down round to round, Team america players, armies they faced, and who won. Don know if its possible, but someone posted it after the round vs. Germ.

You certainly can break down how each player did, but the factor that you do not know about is who gets to be put out there for a pairing, and who gets to go up against a bad match-up.

You have players who get sent out first and their opponents get to pick the army that they think will match up the best against them and those armies will always not do as well as the armies that react to the armies that their opponents put forward.

If you look at the score sheets posted on picasa, you can tell the order they were matched up in. Example:It will say under the U.S. team numers 1,4,5,8, etc. The other team will be the opposite (2,3,6,7, etc.) So the U.S. puts up number 1, they react and match them up with 2, then they put up 3 and the US reacts with 4.

Yeah I get that part of it Blackmoor, but I think it would be interesting to see nonetheless on how folks did, and what armies they faced. Im a 40k junkee what can I say.

Hah i know what you mean Norbu, it would be cool of a full 6 round List vs list outcome. We could do it, but, I dont have that much patience. All the lists are online, along with the matchups for each round. Just need someone to do the legwork...I vote..blackmoor

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:Yeah I get that part of it Blackmoor, but I think it would be interesting to see nonetheless on how folks did, and what armies they faced. Im a 40k junkee what can I say.

Round #1
Tony was put out first and beat IG 20-0

Round #2
Tony was the Champion and went against the IG player and lost 2-18

Round #3
Tony was put out there #5 and beat IG 20-0

Round #4
Tony was the Champion and played Eldar and won 17-3

What is the Champion again?

I may be incorrect, but I believe the champ is the person in your team who got the most points, or 20 points in the previous round.

Congrats on 3rd place. Hopefully next year will be 1st.

yakface wrote:
What is the Champion again?

Before the pairing process begins, the team captain select one army to be the team "champion". The is hidden from your opponents and gets matched up against your opponent's champion. This is one way to add a bit of mystery to the final pairings because you do not know what teams they have still available.





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Here is the result sheet from Team USA's one loss to the ETC 40K winner Germany:


Let's break this down, and you can see where it went wrong.

Pairing #1
The USA starts and put forth Jon and his Grey Knights. The Germans counter with Witchhunters. Not to bad of a match up for Jon, but he is at a disadvantage as you would expect and ends up losing 8-12. Not too bad for being our first out the door.

Pairing #2
Then the Germans put out there Grey Knights player and the US counters with Nick's (Darkwynn) Black Templar. This is where things get out of whack for the US. Nick has 2 foot slogging Terminator squads that deep-strike as well as drop pods against an anti-deep strike army. Not only that, but I have fought BT terminators with my GK terminators before and GK terminators will crush them. They pop the Sanctuary psychic power and the BT go last. Add in that they get 3 attacks each, and some hammerhands and you are in trouble. Not to mention that you are deepstriking so far away that they can shoot you down as you advance. Nick loses 6-14. This is hurts because we get to choose the match up and we should win those.

Pairing #3
We put out Orks, and they put out Chaos Space Marines. We lose 6-14.

Pairing #4
They put out their Blood Angels and we counter with IG. We lose a close one at 9-11. Another match that we get to pick the counter and can’t pull it out.

Pairing #5
We are down to just a few armies, and this is where things start to get bad. The USA put forward Eldar and they counter with Orks. I play foot Eldar myself and I know that Orks are a major pain, especially without Eldrad helping out. I struggle against them and it looks like so does Greg and he lost 16-4. This is hind sight, but maybe they should have thrown Ben out there. I will take a look at Greg’s numbers, but I think they days of the foot eldar build might be over.

Pairing #6
The Germans put out there Space Wolves, and the US counters with Ben’s Space Marines. US wins 20-0. Ben was a Space Wolf player so he knows that army well.

Pairing #7
The is done automatically after pairing #6 since there are only 2 armies left and it ends up being USA’s Tyranids vs. Mech Eldar and the Germans win 20-0

Pairing #8
The 2 Champions that were picked are Tony’s Space Wolves vs. the German IG player. Tony was dominating IG armies but he loses this one 2-18. Ouch!

The bad match ups at the bottom were because Team USA was waiting to counter the IG army with the Tyranid army which is build for that purpose. But the Germans did a great move with the IG army and moved it into the Champion slot almost guaranteeing that they would not have to face the Tyranids. So when the USA got to the last picks they were thinking that the Germans would have the IG army left, but they didn’t so the ‘Nids had to get crushed by the Mech Eldar.



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Looking at it some more at the start of the pairing #6 Ben has to make some interesting choices. The Germans put out the Space Wolves. He has 2 armies left, Tyranids and his Space Marines, and Germans have left either the Eldar or Imperial Guard.

So he knows that his Tryanids are next up so he has 2 choices: Nids vs SW or SM vs SW.
#1. Space Marines vs. Space Wolves and Tyranids vs (IG or Mech Eldar)
or
#2. Tyranids vs. Space Wolves and Space Marines vs (IG or Mech Eldar)

It looks like he thought that the Germans would not make the IG champions since they are a good put-forward army, and he thought that the Mech Eldar would be protected by being the champion so he selected #1. The problem with #1 is that it is very high risk/reward. If he guesses right then he has SM vs. SW, Tyranids vs. IG and SW vs. Eldar. Those are great matches for the USA. But what if he gets it wrong? Then he has what he got SM vs. SW, ‘Nids vs. Eldar, and SW vs. IG. I guess he is still not bad off since he does well against SW, and Tony is doing fine against IG, but the Nids will get murdered.

If he chooses #2 he ends up with either Nids vs. SW, SM vs. IG, and SW vs. Eldar, or what would have happened: Nids vs. SW, SM vs. Eldar, and SW vs IG. Not too bad.

It is just interesting to play Monday morning quarterback and look as the team selection process.

And here is a pic of Team USA


I hope Chtiofonce does not mind me swiping a couple of his pics.
He posted it on page #1, but you can see the rest of his pictures here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/104960327708584073250/40kETC2011#

Very well done guys, a huge accomplishment!

Blackmoor wrote:

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:I am curious if Tony(USA) was the youngest player there. I also am curious how he did round to round. I talked to Cole after Tony and him fought for the top table at Adepticon, and he said Tony was the best player he ever faced. That being said I think Darth has a point about Ben as well. I would really like to see a break down round to round, Team america players, armies they faced, and who won. Don know if its possible, but someone posted it after the round vs. Germ.

You certainly can break down how each player did, but the factor that you do not know about is who gets to be put out there for a pairing, and who gets to go up against a bad match-up.

Bad matchup? Tony plays Space Wolves, surely you must be jesting!

As a Nid player I'd like to see a breakdown on how Jay's Tyranids fared, anyone knows? USA was the only team in the top 5 that had Nids.

Really close 40K this year, I'm just a bit bummed that Sweden lost to Poland in the final round at the top table. At least we were the only ones that beat the winning team.

Good job guys.

I wonder how special characters change the playstyles if they do at all. All I see around here is with them. I wonder if it put us (USA) at a disatvantage?

Hey Guys,

Just some quick feedback from Switzerland.

1. Congrats to the winners. Germany played well throughout the weekend and deserved the win. They out paired us. Unless you see the games though, it's hard to make full judgments on why the losses occurred. I personally made two tactical errors that caused my loss with the Eldar vs Orks.

2. Team America is not only happy about the 3rd place victory, but also really pleased that we tied with Sweden for best sportsmen.

3. I can tell you this - the Swedes and all of the English speaking teams are the greatest people to hang out with. Nick, Shaun and I drank a few beers with all of these countries last night. We had a blast last year and this year was even better. The camaraderie is awesome and I would gladly host anyone of them in the states.

4. Switzerland is damn expensive.

Overall, it was a great time. We have some things that will be improved upon for next year. More to come. It's time to do some touring.

Great job Greg, you done us proud.

Enjoy the sights!

Thats a really interesting breakdown Blackmoor. I would love to see what Ben says about it.

Official debriefing thread is here :

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=91399

FINAL STANDINGS

Place (Match Points) [Battle Points Difference] Team
01 (10) [258] Germany
02 (10) [134] Poland
03 (9) [140] USA
04 (8) [158] Sweden
05 (8) [58] Spain
06 (8) [52] France
07 (8) [-6] Wales
08 (7) [36] England
09 (7) [36] Finland
10 (7) [24] Switzerland
11 (7) [2] Latvia
12 (6) [-8] Denmark
13 (6) [-74] Republic of Ireland
14 (5) [36] Belarus
15 (5) [24] Italy
16 (5) [-6] Scotland
17 (5) [-26] Russia
18 (5) [-48] Euro Mercenaries
19 (5) [-120] Belgium
20 (4) [-40] Northern Ireland
21 (3) [-50] Czech Republic
22 (3) [-60] Austria
23 (2) [-436] Norway
24 (1) [-264] Greece

Congratulations Germany fort 1sts place, Poland for ETC Shield, USA and Sweden for a tied best sporting team award and Spain for the painting award...and to all present for a cracking weekend of wargaming

More when I recover fully but in the meantime you may have noticed german reporter Lupinus ghosting my account over the weekend to post links which you will find here : http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=89660
In the heat of the event the picasa galeries are a bit all over the place but I will sort it out in the coming weeks and let you know when to look at more pics and comments :wink:

PS I don"t mind links to my pics, I publish them for people to look at them However beware that links will mos probably break when I re-order the picasa galeries of this event...

Well done team U.S.A.

So wales got 8 match points despite having a -6 VP differential? That's nutty, but cool.


What exactly is a match point, if anyone knows?

It can't be whether the team won or lost the whole round (as there are only 5 rounds) and it can't be win/loss per player because there aren't nearly enough match points for that...so what is it exactly?

What exactly is a match point, if anyone knows?

It can't be whether the team won or lost the whole round (as there are only 5 rounds) and it can't be win/loss per player because there aren't nearly enough match points for that...so what is it exactly?

It's 2 points for a team victory, and 1 for a draw. (there are 6 rounds actually)

Yak, The battle point differential is not Vps. Heres how it works:

8 Players from Team A, face 8 Players from Team B. In each of those 8 games, there are 20 battle points up for grabs which the players fight for during the game. At the end of the 8 games, the battle points gained from the two teams are totaled and compared. There are battle point differences which are the cut-offs for determining if it was a draw or a win/loss game. i.e. if Team A gets 81 battlepoints, and B gets 79, it is a draw. If Team A gets 100, and B gets 60, Team A wins.

Match points are awarded, 2 points for a winner, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for a loss. The difference in battle points gained by each team is also recorded for final tie-breakers.

For a team to have a low battle point differential, but still place higher than teams with a higher battle point differential, that means that when they won (which was often), they barely won, but when they lost they got crushed.

Wow, Poland got 1st and 2nd place overall in fantasy and 40k... and thats without any books actually translated into the language!

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:Hey Guys,

Just some quick feedback from Switzerland.

1. Congrats to the winners. Germany played well throughout the weekend and deserved the win. They out paired us. Unless you see the games though, it's hard to make full judgments on why the losses occurred. I personally made two tactical errors that caused my loss with the Eldar vs Orks.

2. Team America is not only happy about the 3rd place victory, but also really pleased that we tied with Sweden for best sportsmen.

3. I can tell you this - the Swedes and all of the English speaking teams are the greatest people to hang out with. Nick, Shaun and I drank a few beers with all of these countries last night. We had a blast last year and this year was even better. The camaraderie is awesome and I would gladly host anyone of them in the states.

4. Switzerland is damn expensive.

Overall, it was a great time. We have some things that will be improved upon for next year. More to come. It's time to do some touring.

Was great to play against you Greg, you certainly gave me a schooling on how footdar work against MSU and inspired me to go back to eldar. We were happy with 8th, being in the 3rd place play off was an improvement and we learnt a hell of a lot.

On point 4, hell yeah, at least next year is in Poland where it is cheaper. Hope to see you guys next year.

Now to explain to my partner why I now want to go across the pond to Adepticon to play these guys again....

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:
2. Team America is not only happy about the 3rd place victory, but also really pleased that we tied with Sweden for best sportsmen.

3. I can tell you this - the Swedes and all of the English speaking teams are the greatest people to hang out with. Nick, Shaun and I drank a few beers with all of these countries last night. We had a blast last year and this year was even better. The camaraderie is awesome and I would gladly host anyone of them in the states.

Hey Greg

As I said to Nick on FB I think the standing ovation and having most of the nations spontaneously start chanting USA! USA! USA! when you took 3rd (more noise than for 1st or 2nd) speaks volumes about how well liked you guys are. I think a lot of the home nations were rooting for you or Sweden to take the podium this year (sorry England but you know what I mean ).

Just want to say again it was really good to chat with and share a few beers with you this weekend, don't forget to say hi to Brandon from me and I'll see you in Poland dude!
(where everything is 100x cheaper than this weekend)

Neil

Wow, rough weekend for the Greeks.

Congrats to team USA!

Well Done German Team. I had Lots of good Games against two guys Who were in our Gaming Group for Years.

Congrats to all of the teams that participated!

Good showing from all, it seems. Well done to Germany, Poland, and USA for the top 3 spots.

Skcuzzlebumm wrote:

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:
2. Team America is not only happy about the 3rd place victory, but also really pleased that we tied with Sweden for best sportsmen.

3. I can tell you this - the Swedes and all of the English speaking teams are the greatest people to hang out with. Nick, Shaun and I drank a few beers with all of these countries last night. We had a blast last year and this year was even better. The camaraderie is awesome and I would gladly host anyone of them in the states.

Hey Greg

As I said to Nick on FB I think the standing ovation and having most of the nations spontaneously start chanting USA! USA! USA! when you took 3rd (more noise than for 1st or 2nd) speaks volumes about how well liked you guys are. I think a lot of the home nations were rooting for you or Sweden to take the podium this year (sorry England but you know what I mean ).

Just want to say again it was really good to chat with and share a few beers with you this weekend, don't forget to say hi to Brandon from me and I'll see you in Poland dude!
(where everything is 100x cheaper than this weekend)

Neil

Neil!! I never did get that drink from you!! I cannot drink that fake Budweiser!! There is only one King of Beers See you in Feb in the UK.

Greg- Yes Swiss is expensive. Certainly not for the faint of heart. But the scenery is great!!!

Brian

Great job guys--while the 3rd place finish is certainly something to be proud of--I'm as equally impressed with tying for Best Sportsman. Nice job putting forth a good image for the American 40k player, enjoy the rest of your vacation!

sabote wrote:Neil!! I never did get that drink from you!! I cannot drink that fake Budweiser!! There is only one King of Beers See you in Feb in the UK.

Dude I am going to have to teach you the error of your ways and the Budweiser Budvar is the REAL Budweiser, not that pish you Americans drink... Its that or I just get you drinking Guinness pint for pint with me

Well like I said Caledonia is mid Jan and the UK40KGT is set again for the end of March. Both rulespacks and tickets are going up soon so I'll be sure to get an email to you with details just to make sure you don't miss out.

See you soon buddy.

I think the standing ovations / high sports finish / etc. are extremely important accomplishments of the team.

In a game of dice, with interesting pairing mechanics and other things, there's a lot that can determine the difference between placing and not ... congratulations are in order for placing, but appreciation from your countrymen is in order for representing yourselves as good people. Bravo to that.

Here is a link to mine and some of the other Scottish players pics from the weekend: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150342154375067.391513.690700066&l=d3621a329b&type=1
- N.B I am going to keep updating it throughout the week as more pics get sent to me.

Well done gentlemen.

Great post, Blackmoor!

Excellent analysis.

Skcuzzlebumm wrote:

sabote wrote:Neil!! I never did get that drink from you!! I cannot drink that fake Budweiser!! There is only one King of Beers See you in Feb in the UK.

Dude I am going to have to teach you the error of your ways and the Budweiser Budvar is the REAL Budweiser, not that pish you Americans drink... Its that or I just get you drinking Guinness pint for pint with me

Hey, I'm American, and Budvar is possibly my favorite beer in the world.

Sabote is the man, though, despite his apparently-terrible taste in beer.

Apparently Budvar have a very good pilsner and good dunkel.


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Absolutely bad ass. You guys really killed it on all fronts.

I hope the best sport award gets some coverage on BoLS so the angry horde of commentators can see just how sporting the most competitive players are.

Fallen Angel wrote:Was great to play against you Greg, you certainly gave me a schooling on how footdar work against MSU and inspired me to go back to eldar. We were happy with 8th, being in the 3rd place play off was an improvement and we learnt a hell of a lot.

On point 4, hell yeah, at least next year is in Poland where it is cheaper. Hope to see you guys next year.

Now to explain to my partner why I now want to go across the pond to Adepticon to play these guys again....

Hey Chris - It was great to meet and play against you. That was quite the interesting game. We had several swings in the game itself that made it very interesting and quite enjoyable. Hopefully we can have the opportunity to play again sometime. USA will definitely be in Poland next year!!! And if you need help with the convincing traveling to AdeptiCon, let me know. Cheers.

Skcuzzlebumm wrote:As I said to Nick on FB I think the standing ovation and having most of the nations spontaneously start chanting USA! USA! USA! when you took 3rd (more noise than for 1st or 2nd) speaks volumes about how well liked you guys are. I think a lot of the home nations were rooting for you or Sweden to take the podium this year (sorry England but you know what I mean ).

Just want to say again it was really good to chat with and share a few beers with you this weekend, don't forget to say hi to Brandon from me and I'll see you in Poland dude!
(where everything is 100x cheaper than this weekend)

Neil

Thanks Neil... Team USA can't thank all of you guys enough. It was a really awesome and special moment to hear all of that. Plus as I said, the company and beer was great. Talked to Brandon that night. Good luck with the move to Sweden and see ya' next year.

@Brian - yes - The swiss scenery and " the scenery" is great from so many different angles. Hell - I'm mad at my parents for not telling me to just come work over here for a few years when I was younger.

Congrats to our Team Germany! (which I know personally, and played most of them)

And respect to Team USA for coming here for the second time and score 3rd. (together with 1st in sportsmanship)

Two other things -

1. I personally am proud of all members of Team USA. I know that none of them caved under pressure, worked as hard as possible and positively contributed to the team effort this year. Kudos to all of my team mates.

2. I also have to give Tony's parents (Carla and Paul) mad props. They fully support Tony and his brother Andy (a golden demon winner), dropped a pretty penny to ensure he could be here in Switzerland with them as guardians and were there throughout the entire event. It was great to finally meet Tony, have some laughs (and beer because his parents are frickin' cool as hell) and see him wreck a lot of people.

One final note - the representation across the clubs and US is increasing even more. We had members from BOLS, Wrecking Crew, Da Boyz, Codex Toledo and two independents. I see the selection process opening that up even more for the 2012 team, which is sweet. If you are interested in possibly qualifying, check out the following link:

http://teamamerica40k.com/?page_id=6

Great meeting you again and hopefully, we'll meet again in some other tournament.
And congratulations!

/Pär - Swedish Dark Eldar copy/paste/netlist

Congrats to all on a great finish. Special shout out to sabote who played for Wales and represented the Blade n Bolter Boyz.

Do the ETC Captains ever discuss the possibility of opening up additional spots for larger countries? I.e. the USA - we are big enough to have mulitple teams represent. NE, SE, Midwest, West.




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Bikeninja wrote:Congrats to all on a great finish. Special shout out to sabote who played for Wales and represented the Blade n Bolter Boyz.

Seconded!

Congrats guys! I'm prouder of the tie for best sport honestly as at something like this that would mean more to me too. Awesome job. Next year 1st place

@Aldonis

Basically you'd have to form a team from one of our protectorates though I'm not sure how it would work. I brought it up before the first year and they are pretty solid on only allowing the United States itself 1 team even if all of Europe could fit into one of our states

Thanks for all the kind words guys, we work hard to represent all the US 40k players, and we are really excited to have won the first ever ETC Medal for the USA. We are equally honored to share the best sportsmanship prize with our close friends the Swedes. We know we are ambassadors for all USA 40k players, and so always play with honor and enthusiasm.

I'm really proud of my guys, our team played their hearts out and everyone did exactly what I expected of them. Two years ago, no one in the States had heard of the ETC. Now we have won a medal, invented a robust qualification process, and generated a lot of enthusiasm for the event in our country. I'm pretty proud of that.

In the coming days and weeks I'll do my best to give the play by play people are looking for and summarize the great experience we had.

-Ben Mohlie

Guys, for a tournament junkie like me reading about this has been a real treat.

Congrats on your placement and good luck next year!!!

Well done, guys! Ach, I came within striking distance of making the team this year. Hopefully I will make it next year.

Sounds like a great time and I hope to see us win it next go around!

Congrats to the 40K team! Sorry we couldn't scrape out a few extra points on the fantasy side to bring home a double medal for the US, but I think we are going to be in excellent position next year.

All the fantasy guys are really proud of you guys. We need to work on a coordinated outfit next year!

Aldonis wrote:Do the ETC Captains ever discuss the possibility of opening up additional spots for larger countries? I.e. the USA - we are big enough to have mulitple teams represent. NE, SE, Midwest, West.

You know the Europeans...they follow soccer teams as what is allowed in the ETC. That is why the UK gets to send 4 teams when California is bigger than all 4 of them combined by almost anyway you want to measure it.

Here is a list of countries that are in FIFA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_men%27s_national_association_football_teams#UEFA_.28Europe.29

Now as Hulksmash said, there might be some wiggle room if you are motivated enough. Last year the Danes sent 2 teams. One for Denmark, and one representing the Faroe Islands (And yes, I had never heard of it before either). So the precedence has been set where you can form a team off of a territory. So it might be possible to form a US Virgin Island team or a Puerto Rico team.

So by RAW, Puerto Rico can goto the ETC.

Go Go Team Guam or American Samoa!

Hulksmash wrote:Go Go Team Guam or American Samoa!

Sure, provided that at least 4 of the players on any team can prove their nationality is thus (so passport, or birth certificate, or parent(s) birth certificate(s)) and that nation is FIFA recognised they can enter.

If they can't they are likely to be turned away at the door and will have made a quite expensive trip for nothing. This is why there was no Team Faeroe Islands this year.

Inquisitor_Malice wrote:
One final note - the representation across the clubs and US is increasing even more. We had members from BOLS, Wrecking Crew, Da Boyz, Codex Toledo and two independents. I see the selection process opening that up even more for the 2012 team, which is sweet. If you are interested in possibly qualifying, check out the following link:

http://teamamerica40k.com/?page_id=6

It is an interesting idea to ask the top Generals from 4 major events to play on the American team for the next ETC. I remember a German player from this year (I think it was Germany) saying so and so was the best Tyranid player in Germany. The best Tyranid player in Germany might never win a tournament because of his codex, but that doesn't mean he doesn't give his ETC team the best chance to win.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to take some of the best, veteran players from 8 different army books rather than take 4 of the best Grey Knight (I chose a random army) players and then hope 3 of them can adapt to another army?


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Skcuzzlebumm wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:Go Go Team Guam or American Samoa!

Sure, provided that at least 4 of the players on any team can prove their nationality is thus (so passport, or birth certificate, or parent(s) birth certificate(s)) and that nation is FIFA recognised they can enter.

If they can't they are likely to be turned away at the door and will have made a quite expensive trip for nothing. This is why there was no Team Faeroe Islands this year.

Maybe the Europeans can keep their European Team Championship tournament and the Americans can start the World Team Championships over here.

DarthDiggler wrote:Maybe the Europeans can keep their European Team Championship tournament and the Americans can start the World Team Championships over here.

And that would be different from the ETC how? If you mean so as to allow multiple American teams to enter as individual states then surely that is what the ATC is for?

DarthDiggler wrote: It is an interesting idea to ask the top Generals from 4 major events to play on the American team for the next ETC. I remember a German player from this year (I think it was Germany) saying so and so was the best Tyranid player in Germany. The best Tyranid player in Germany might never win a tournament because of his codex, but that doesn't mean he doesn't give his ETC team the best chance to win.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to take some of the best, veteran players from 8 different army books rather than take 4 of the best Grey Knight (I chose a random army) players and then hope 3 of them can adapt to another army?

This is one of the biggest weaknesses of the American selection process (IMO). There are codexes that are better then others, and you could end up with 4 Space Wolf players, or Grey Knight players or whatever the flavor of the year is. Heck, you could be a mediocre player and win a tournament with 6 Psyfleman dreads with Coteaz and his zoo crew/purifier spam.

If you are asking people to switch armies and you will never be as good as a good player who knows their army inside and out.

That's a really good point that I hadn't considered Blackmoor.

So the best way you would need like a throne of skulls type event only with no player favorite score to figure out who would play for each codex?

We're a really big country and the "national scene" just isn't really there for the USA like it is in say, the UK.

Compound that with the fact that the trip for any American (or Aussie, New Zealander, etc) is going to be inherently more expensive than it would be for someone from say, the UK, to make due to air fare....you only have a limited pool of "great players" who can make that commitment to play at the ETC.

I say good on the guys putting that kind of thing together, and trying to have some kind of system where the few larger regional events can help decide who can get on the big team. Our system will have a lot of flaws, but the problem it's trying to solve is complex enough that any answer that would work is not going to be ideal.

Voodoo! Long time no see! I thought you had left dakka far behind.

LOL, thanks. I'm around, just coming back to the hobby after a while from a work-induced hiatus.

To try and come back to the thread....in a similar "seeing hobby-friends I've not seen in a while - I had head over to my local GW for an escalation tourney and saw some old friends, and later I check on this thread and I find out one of the guys I saw was on our ETC team (Go Paul, east coast represent!).

Congratulations to the US team and everyone else involved in the ETC.

European friend sent me the top 8 lists from the singles tournament and I found these quite interesting. Grey Knights won it all but Eldar did quite well along with Tyranids and Orks making a showing. Only one Space Wolves and list is a bit different then usual only 1 long fang squad. A bit different then what we see in the US. There was no special characters allowed so that changes things somewhat.

1st

PLAYER 6: Juho Klemola
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Grey Knights

HQ1 : Ordo Malleus Inquisitor (25) Terminator Armour (40) Psycannon (15) 3 Servo-skulls (3*3) [89pts]
HQ2 : Ordo Malleus Inquisitor (25) Terminator Armour (40) Psycannon (15) [80pts]
Elite1 : 4 Purifiers (4*24) 2 Psycannons (2*10) 1 Nemesis Daemonhammer (5) 1 Nemesis Force Halberd (1*2) KOTF (24) Nemesis Force Halberd (2) in Transport1 [149pts]
Elite2 : 4 Purifiers (4*24) 2 Psycannons (2*10) 1 Nemesis Daemonhammer (5) 1 Nemesis Force Halberd (1*2) KOTF (24) Nemesis Force Halberd (2) in Transport2 [149pts]
Elite3 : 5 Purifiers (5*24) 2 Psycannons (2*10) 1 Nemesis Daemonhammer (5) 1 Nemesis Force Halberd (2) in Transport3 [147pts]
Elite4 : 4 Warrior Acolytes (4*4) 3 Meltaguns (3*10) in Transport4 [46pts]
Troop1 : 5 Grey Knights (5*20) Psycannon (10) in Transport5 [110pts]
Troop2 : 5 Grey Knights (5*20) Psycannon (10) in Transport6 [110pts]
Troop3 : 5 Grey Knights (5*20) Psycannon (10) in Transport7 [110pts]
HS1 : Dreadnought (115) Twin-linked Autocannon (10) Twin-linked Autocannon (5) Psybolt Ammunition (5) [135pts]
HS2 : Dreadnought (115) Twin-linked Autocannon (10) Twin-linked Autocannon (5) Psybolt Ammunition (5) [135pts]
HS3 : Dreadnought (115) Twin-linked Autocannon (10) Twin-linked Autocannon (5) Psybolt Ammunition (5) [135pts]
Transport1 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Elite1 [50pts]
Transport2 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Elite2 [50pts]
Transport3 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Elite3 [50pts]
Transport4 : Chimera (55) Hull Heavy Flamer (0) transporting Elite4 [55pts]
Transport5 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Troop1 [50pts]
Transport6 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Troop2 [50pts]
Transport7 : Razorback (45) Psybolt Ammunition (5) transporting Troop3 [50pts]

TOTAL [1750pts]

2nd
PLAYER 2: Denis Korzun (Avessalom)
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Eldar

HQ 1: Farseer (55), Runes of Warding (15), Runes of Witnessing (10), Spirit Stones (20), Doom (25), Fortune (30), Guide (20), Eldar Jetbike (30), Singing Spear (3) = 208
HQ 2: Avatar of Khaine = 155
HQ 3: 7*Warlocks (140), 7*Eldar Jetbikes (140), Embolden (5), Enhance (15), 3*Singing Spear(9)= 344

Elites 1: 5*Fire dragons (80), Exarh(12), Firepike(3), Crack Shot(5) = 100
Elites 2: 5*Fire dragons (80), Exarh(12), Firepike(3), Crack Shot(5) = 100

Troops 1: 3*Guardian Jetbikes (66) = 66
Troops 2: 10*Guardians (80), Scatter Laser (15) = 95
Troops 3: 11*Guardians (88), Scatter Laser (15) = 103

Heavy Support 1: 3*War Walker (90), 6*Scatter Laser (90) = 180
Heavy Support 2: Falcon (115), Missile Launcher (20), Holo Fields (35), Spirit Stones (10) = 180
Heavy Support 3: Falcon (115), Missile Launcher (20), Holo Fields (35), Spirit Stones (10) = 180

Total: 1748 pts

3rd
PLAYER1: Stepan Zotov, 'Stepan'

Army Description: Grey Knights

HQ1 : Grey Knight Grand Master (175), Psyhotroke Grenades (15), Rad Grenades (15), Blind Grenades (5), Digital Weapons (5), Master Crafted Weapon (5), Servo-Skull (5) [225pts]
HQ2: Grey Knight Librarian (150), Sanctuary (5), Shrouding (5), Might of Titan (5), Nemesis Force Halberd (5), Servo-Skull (5) [175pts]

Elite 1: Purifiers X 10 (240), 9 X Nemesis Force Halberds (18), Nemesis Force Hammer (5) [263pts]

Troop 1: Grey Knight Strike Squad X 5 (100) [100pts]
Troop 2: Grey Knight Strike Squad X 10 (200), Psybolt Ammunition (20), 2 X Psycannon (20) [240pts]

Fast Attack 1: Storm Raven (205), Twin-Linked Lascannon, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta, Searchlight (1) [206pts].

Heavy Support 1: Dreadnought (115), Twin-Linked Autocannon (10), Twin-Linked Autocannon (5), Psybolt Ammunition (5) [135pts]
Heavy Support 2: Dreadnought (115), Twin-Linked Autocannon (10), Twin-Linked Autocannon (5), Psybolt Ammunition (5) [135pts]

Heavy Support 3: Land Raider Crusader (255pts), Psybolt Ammunition (5), Multi-melta (10), Searchlight (1) [271pts]

TOTAL [1750pts]


4th
Player: Simon Oerding, braindead
ARMY DESCRIPTION: Imperial Guard

HQ: Company Command Squad (50) + 3 Meltaguns (30) + Banner (15) + Laspistol (free) = 95 pts in Transport 1

Elite 1: 6 Battle Psykers + Overseer = 80 pts

Troop 1: Platoon Command Squad (30) + 4 Meltaguns (40) = 70 pts in Transport 2
Infantry Squad (50) + Commissar (35) = 85 pts
Infantry Squad (50) = 50 pts
Heavy Weapon Team (60) + 3 autocannons (15) = 75 pts
Heavy Weapon Team (60) + 3 autocannons (15) = 75 pts

Troop2: Veteran Squad (70) + 3 plasma guns (45) = 115 pts in Transport 3

FA1: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts
FA2: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts
FA3: Vendetta Gunship = 130 pts

HS1: Manticore (160) + heavy flamer = 160 pts
HS2: Manticore (160) + heavy flamer = 160 pts
HS3: Leman Russ Executioner (190) + plasma sponsons (40) + hull heavy bolter = 230 pts

Transport 1: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [HQ] = 55 pts
Transport 2: Chimera (55) + heavy flamer [Troop1] = 55 pts
Transport 2: Chimera (55) + heavy bolter [Troop2] = 55 pts

Total: 1750 pts

5th
Player: Kayu „Fenneq“ Orellana
Army: Space Wulves

HQ1: Wolflord (100p), Saga of the bear (35), 1 x powerfist (25), 1 x Stormshield (30), thunderwolf (45), Runearmor (20), wolvetail talisman (5) [260p]
HQ2: Runepriest (100), chooser of the slain(10), living lightning(0), jaws(0) [110p]
HQ3: Runepriest (100), wolftail talisman (5), chooser of the slain (10), murderous hurricane (0), jaws (0) [115p]

Elite1: Dreadnought (105), dccw (0), Stormbolter(0),assaultcannon(0) [105 ]
Elite2: 5 Wolfscouts (5x15), Meltagun(10) [85]
Elite3: 3 Wolveguards in servopants (3x18): I. 1 x Kombi-Flamer(5), Powerfist (20) II. Kombimeltagun (5), Powerfist (20), III. Kombimeltagun(5), Powerfist (20)
2 Terminator-Guards (2x33): I. 1 x Stormbolter(0), 1 x Cyclonemissilelauncher (30), 1 x Powerweapon (0), II. 1 x Kombimeltagun (5), 1 x Chainfist (15) [245p]

troops1: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 1 [105p]
troops2: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 2 [105p]
troops3: 6 Greyhunters (6x15), Meltagun(5), Wolfbanner(10) in Transport 3 [105p]
troops1: 5 Greyhunters (5x15), Meltagun(5) in Transport 4 [80p]

FA1: 5 fenrisian wolves (5x8) [40p]
FA2: 1 Landspeeder (50), 1x Multimelta (10) [60p]

HS1: 6 Longfangs (6x15), 2 x Missilelauncher (2x10), 3 x Lascannons (3x25), Grimwolf (0) [185p]

Transport 1: Rhino (35), dozerblade(5) [40p]
Transport 2: Rhino (35), dozerblade(5) [40p]
Transport 3: droppod (35) [35p]
Transport 4: Rhino (35) [35p]
Total Points Space Wolves : 1750


6th
PLAYER 2: Pekka Koskivirta
ARMY DESCRIPTION : Tyranids

HQ1 : Tyranid Prime (80) pair of boneswords (10) scything talons (0) [90pts]
HQ2 : Tervigon(160) cluster spines (0) adrenal glands (10) toxin sacs (10) catalyst (15) [195pts]
Elite1 : 3 Hive Guard (3*50) [150pts]
Elite2 : 3 Hive Guard (3*50) [150pts]
Elite3 : 3 Hive Guard (3*50) [150pts]
Troop1 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) [280pts]
Troop2 : 20 Genestealers (20*14) [280pts]
Troop3 : 15 Genestealers (15*14) [210pts]
Troop4 : 10 Termagants (10*5) [50pts]
Troop5 : Tervigon(160) cluster spines (0) adrenal glands (10) toxin sacs (10) catalyst (15) [195pts]

TOTAL [1750]

7th
PLAYER7: Novikov Bogdan, ‘Sentinel’
Army Description: Eldar

HQ 1: Farseer (55), with whitchblade & shuriken pistol (0), Runes for warding (15), Runes of Witnessing (10), Spirit stones (20), Fortune (30), Guide (20), Doom (25) [175pts]
HQ 2: Avatar of Khaine [155pts]

ELITE 1: 5 Fire Dragons (5x16=80) [80pts]
ELITE 2: 5 Fire Dragons (5x16=80) [80pts]

TROOPS 1: 9 Dire Avengers (9x12=108), Exarch (12), Bladestorm (15), Twin shuriken catapult (5) [140pts]
TROOPS 2: 10 Dire Avengers [120pts]

HEAVY SUPPORT 1: Wraithlord, 2 flamers (0), Bright Lance (40), Eldar Missile Launcher (25) [155pts]
HEAVY SUPPORT 2: Wraithlord, 2 flamers (0), Bright Lance (40), Eldar Missile Launcher (25) [155pts]
HEAVY SUPPORT 3: 3 Warwalkers (3x30=90), with Scatter Lasers (6x15=90) [180pts]

TRANSPORT 1: Wave Serpent (90), Twin-Linked Shuriken Cannon (10), Spirit Stones (10) transporting ELITE 1 [110pts]
TRANSPORT 2: Wave Serpent (90), Twin-Linked Shuriken Cannon (10), Spirit Stones (10) transporting ELITE 2 [110pts]
TRANSPORT 3: Wave Serpent (90), Twin-Linked Bright Lance (45), Spirit Stones (10) transporting TROOPS 1 [145pts]
TRANSPORT 4: Wave Serpent (90), Twin-Linked Bright Lance (45), Spirit Stones (10) transporting TROOPS 2 [145pts]

TOTAL: [1750pts]


8th
Player: Philipp "PhiSt" Streckmann
Army: Orkz

HQ1 : Big Mek (35), Kustom force shield (50), boss pole(5) [90]

Elite1 : 5 Lootaz (5×15) :[75]
Elite2 : 5 Lootaz (5×15) :[75]

Troop 1 : 30 Boyz(30×6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 2 : 30 Boyz(30×6) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [220]
Troop 3 : 29 Boyz(29×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25): [209]
Troop 4 : 29 Boyz(29×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) boss pole (5): [214]
Troop 5 : 25 Boyz(25×6) shootaz (free) nob(10) power claw(25) 2 big shootaz (2×5): [195]

FA1: Deffkopta (35) buzzsaw(25) :[60]

HS1: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xgrotzooka(3×10) :[135]
HS2: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xgrotzooka(3×10) :[135]
HS3: 3 Killa kans (3×35) 3xbig shootaz(3×5) :[120]

Total: 1748 pts

Random aside, but apparently that screenshot of Germany, Tony's game, the guy winning 18-2 is ... well, wrong / error / etc.

Game was an 11-9 or 11-8 win for the German, with a tie on Primary and Secondary respectively.

Blackmoor wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote: It is an interesting idea to ask the top Generals from 4 major events to play on the American team for the next ETC. I remember a German player from this year (I think it was Germany) saying so and so was the best Tyranid player in Germany. The best Tyranid player in Germany might never win a tournament because of his codex, but that doesn't mean he doesn't give his ETC team the best chance to win.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to take some of the best, veteran players from 8 different army books rather than take 4 of the best Grey Knight (I chose a random army) players and then hope 3 of them can adapt to another army?

This is one of the biggest weaknesses of the American selection process (IMO). There are codexes that are better then others, and you could end up with 4 Space Wolf players, or Grey Knight players or whatever the flavor of the year is. Heck, you could be a mediocre player and win a tournament with 6 Psyfleman dreads with Coteaz and his zoo crew/purifier spam.

If you are asking people to switch armies and you will never be as good as a good player who knows their army inside and out.

Yup. Many of the other teams work all year long on getting a mix of armies on the teams, deciding who will play what army, discussing each others armies, and team captains asking players to use different styles of list. The pairings of who plays who is a huge part of the tournament, and a team may need you to play something a bit different than your usual, so they have an army to match up against certain other armies.

They also practice, practice, practice against specific builds and lists, expecting that they may get matched up against those. It's not enough to know someone plays grey knights. The captain has to know the build you're using, and how well he can expect you to do if he tosses you up against a certain army. Or throws your army out, and lets the other guy pick your opponent.

Just taking 8 guys who took first at 8 tournaments won't be the best team. Half will need new armies. All will need the finances to go abroad. They'll need to be a lot of co-ordination in the months before the event.

The US team is still going to be way behind the curve on the little games and politics that lead up to the actual games. Which makes taking third even more of an achievement.

The singles tournament got me thinking.

Our guys do awful at that tournament. I think it might be because they are not as familiar with their armies as the others at it. Jon W. is really a Space Wolf player who brought Grey Knights, and Nick is of course an IG player who recently started playing DE. He brought his Black Templar out of moth balls from 4 years ago, and they both finished rather poorly.

I did a quick break down of the points for the first 4 rounds (and yes I know that a lot of factors go into it) but the worst performing armies are the ones that are not their normal armies (Shawn, Nick and Jon) Jay also performed below average, but there are reasons for that.

congrats to the other UK nations placings, and to the USA for their awesome performance.

next year team N.I's aiming for top 15 i'd say

@inq malice, was nice to put a face to the forum name, and meet some of your team over the course of the event. pity didn't get games vs you guys, but I did hear you lot disliked my army more than some

mikhaila wrote:...........................The US team is still going to be way behind the curve on the little games and politics that lead up to the actual games. Which makes taking third even more of an achievement.

Or possibly how pointless allot of the tinkering is.

Good players will beat "good" lists, the idea of getting a player to alter tournament winning play style and lists seems counter intuitive to me.

I wonder if there are plans to hold the event in the US at any point?

notprop wrote:

mikhaila wrote:...........................The US team is still going to be way behind the curve on the little games and politics that lead up to the actual games. Which makes taking third even more of an achievement.

Or possibly how pointless allot of the tinkering is.

Good players will beat "good" lists, the idea of getting a player to alter tournament winning play style and lists seems counter intuitive to me.

I wonder if there are plans to hold the event in the US at any point?

About as soon as the US is part of Europe I'd imagine.

The single player event at ETC was only 28 people IIRC. I might be wrong, but wasn't most players local Switzerlanders, and very few were actually ETC players, making the event a lot less competitive?
And I guess the ETC players who took part in the single event had to do with the list they brought, meant for the team event.

The players placed 1st and 6th are from the Finnish team.
Denis in second place is in Belarus team but lives in Sweden.
4th, 5th and 8th are all on the German team.
The two other guys I'm unsure of, but as you see, most players are ETC-players.

Since we had Denis' army in our car, I don't get how he managed to play with it in the ESC.
Go Denis!

notprop wrote:I wonder if there are plans to hold the event in the US at any point?

It would be awesome. But I think attendance would be a massive problem, as many teams simply wouldn't be able to afford it, or in some cases may not even be allowed into the US due to visa restrictions.

I know it sounds harsh but if you consider how hard it is to get 16 American players (for both WFB & 40k) who are willing to drop that much cash on coming over to Europe for the ETC from a population of @ 300,000,000. Then consider that the combined population of Europe including transcontinental Russia and Turkey 900,000,000, so it is 3 times that of the USA. But you would not trying to be getting 3x as many players, you would be trying to get 25x more players, about 400 people from 25 or so European countries, to make the trip and maintain the current attendance levels. This is think would be a near impossible task.

Nonetheless given the fact that the event passes from country to country it must come up at some point.

Or will they avoid the issue and hope that the Yanks don't get pissed?

Following the Football model, the World Cup is to be held in Quatar, where there are soooo many reasons not to go/play.

mikhaila wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote: It is an interesting idea to ask the top Generals from 4 major events to play on the American team for the next ETC. I remember a German player from this year (I think it was Germany) saying so and so was the best Tyranid player in Germany. The best Tyranid player in Germany might never win a tournament because of his codex, but that doesn't mean he doesn't give his ETC team the best chance to win.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to take some of the best, veteran players from 8 different army books rather than take 4 of the best Grey Knight (I chose a random army) players and then hope 3 of them can adapt to another army?

This is one of the biggest weaknesses of the American selection process (IMO). There are codexes that are better then others, and you could end up with 4 Space Wolf players, or Grey Knight players or whatever the flavor of the year is. Heck, you could be a mediocre player and win a tournament with 6 Psyfleman dreads with Coteaz and his zoo crew/purifier spam.

If you are asking people to switch armies and you will never be as good as a good player who knows their army inside and out.

Yup. Many of the other teams work all year long on getting a mix of armies on the teams, deciding who will play what army, discussing each others armies, and team captains asking players to use different styles of list. The pairings of who plays who is a huge part of the tournament, and a team may need you to play something a bit different than your usual, so they have an army to match up against certain other armies.

They also practice, practice, practice against specific builds and lists, expecting that they may get matched up against those. It's not enough to know someone plays grey knights. The captain has to know the build you're using, and how well he can expect you to do if he tosses you up against a certain army. Or throws your army out, and lets the other guy pick your opponent.

Just taking 8 guys who took first at 8 tournaments won't be the best team. Half will need new armies. All will need the finances to go abroad. They'll need to be a lot of co-ordination in the months before the event.

The US team is still going to be way behind the curve on the little games and politics that lead up to the actual games. Which makes taking third even more of an achievement.

Uhhh Mike, I love you man, but you have no idea what you are talking about here. Every single army list we use is chosen specifically for this format, no one just rolls in with the codex or army list they used to qualify. We pick them a long time in advance and my guys practice constantly in the months leading up to the event. Who plays what army is carefully discussed and every unit selection is agonized over as a team. Then I have my guys practice against every European army they are likely to face, and they work hard at it.

Our qualification system is carefully thought out and is working great. We have built an ETC program from nothing to world class in two years.


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Blackmoor wrote:

DarthDiggler wrote: It is an interesting idea to ask the top Generals from 4 major events to play on the American team for the next ETC. I remember a German player from this year (I think it was Germany) saying so and so was the best Tyranid player in Germany. The best Tyranid player in Germany might never win a tournament because of his codex, but that doesn't mean he doesn't give his ETC team the best chance to win.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to take some of the best, veteran players from 8 different army books rather than take 4 of the best Grey Knight (I chose a random army) players and then hope 3 of them can adapt to another army?

This is one of the biggest weaknesses of the American selection process (IMO). There are codexes that are better then others, and you could end up with 4 Space Wolf players, or Grey Knight players or whatever the flavor of the year is. Heck, you could be a mediocre player and win a tournament with 6 Psyfleman dreads with Coteaz and his zoo crew/purifier spam.

If you are asking people to switch armies and you will never be as good as a good player who knows their army inside and out.

Allan,

First, the top players can learn to play anything in six months, and all of them have 5-6 armies anyway, its really not a weakness.

Second, we do make an effort to have people play things they are familiar with. I think the only army switch we did this year was Jon Willingham playing grey knights, and he did a superb job on Defense.

Third, the only alternative to this is for me to hand pick every member of the team. I don't want to do that, I want anyone to have a chance to qualify for the team, we represent all 40k players in america, not just those in the "elite" club. Besides, if someone wins a major tournament like this, they sure as hell know what they are doing!

speedfreek wrote:Since we had Denis' army in our car, I don't get how he managed to play with it in the ESC.

Well, the explanation is it was actually Denis Müller from Team Germany who placed second.

The ESC lists posted above are also at least partly wrong. The ESC had no restrictions on army lists, i.e. special characters were allowed. The fifth placed German player definitely had SW with Logan. The list posted above is his ETC list.
Many ETC players chose to practice with their ETC lists (so no SCs), but some took different lists. For example the German ETC Eldar player took GK with Draigo and finished 9th. Yeah, that means Team Germany had 5 players in the Top10 (out of 66 total, 7 members of Team Germany played in the ESC).

Are there any pictures of any of the armies taken to the ETC anywhere? Going to that style event, one would hope there are some visual stunning conversations and armies.

I'd offer congrats to all those who participated. It takes a lot to take almost a week off your live and travel abroad to represent something you are passionate about. Traveling inside the USA with an army is trickey enough, i'm certain all countries participants had similar struggles.

Congrats to Team USA, I'm happy to see them do well. Placing high is a significant accomplishment. It shows the growth of the game here.

The USA is never going to do strong in the singles because of what we can bring. We only have so much we can carry and we are not going to bring a second army over or something different just to play in the singles. We plad our armies that had their certain roles and played armies that we would never face otherwise. For example I played 4 mech Eldar players, I won 5 games during the event but they were all small wins because of the army list I was matched up against. Your not going to kill 3 Eldar Falcons and Seer Councils and expect to win big especially since I am not designed to go after those list.

Team USA in all their third-spot-earning glory!!



@NJPC, I took some pictures of the event inbetween my judging duties. You can find all of them here (http://www.gaminglordsleuven.net/images/ETC2011Webgallery), but just to show a few of the gorgeous armies present so you guys can have an idea of the quality present:

A beautifyully converted Dark Eldar Merc army:


Another Dark Eldar Army from the Swedish Team:


Stunning Necron army (the only present):


Beautiful freehand Black Templar Army:


Another good one: Eldar this time!


Of course there were also atrocious things, like this:

I will edit my post because it is hard to get 8 different armies on a team and there is no good way to go about getting them on it without some players making some compromises.

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tom_ep wrote:Team USA in all their third-spot-earning glory!!

In the back row from left to right: Tony Kopach (Space Wolves), Jon Willingham (Grey Knights), Alicia Ling (logistics*), Ben Mohile (Space Marines), Greg Sparks (Eldar)
Front row from left to right: Paul Miglino (Imperial Guard), Nick Rose (Black Templar), Jay Woodcock (Tyranids), Shawn Kemp (Orks)

*Each team is allowed one non-playing team member for support

Blackmoor, you are picking at details that do not tie in with the larger picture.

Team USA became third!! That is no small feat. Besides that, they improved their position compared to last year even though the competition gets more fierce every year, and proved their good form and mastery of the game with that! Besides an easy first round pairing they always faced very tough and experienced teams. I think the results speak for themselves really.

I would trust Ben's judgement on this. It also speaks in favor of the American Team that they give major tournament winners the chance to enter the team. I can tell you the selection process in other countries is often very contentious and a painful affair ... In my opinion, handpicking players should be avoided as much as possible, because it is bound to create some issues within a community as large as the one at your disposal. It is not easy to tap into the pool of top players for a country that size, and at least the selection criteria are very transparent.

I'll mercenary for Ireland next year..

Really... All I think it would take to get more teams from the US accepted would be to go through the motions like Spacecurves did to get the first US team over there.

Until someone is that motivated then they should relax and let the team do what they want to pick people.

Were I the captain I am not sure I would like the 'randomness' of who wins X or Y tournament to determine who I trek across the ocean for glory with.

Managing a team in the really real world is difficult. Managing a team of gamers who are playing the game and fancy themselves superstars is even harder. He deserves some credit for bringing this format to the main stage and not grief for not picking a team like 'you' would like him to.

Btw, Allan, this is not aimed at you.. just read a few naysayer post.

Those are some great looking armies a few posts up.

tom_ep wrote:Another Dark Eldar Army from the Swedish Team:

Actually, this beautiful army is the Swiss Dark Eldars (at least I think it's the swiss).
My army looks a lot more like this...

Sorry for the mixup, Speedfreak

DarthDiggler wrote:

Maybe the Europeans can keep their European Team Championship tournament and the Americans can start the World Team Championships over here.

We already have the ATC - was in Chattanooga last year - great event!

The ATC was indeed an awesome event, I highly recommend it. Every club that has five people and the resources to travel should attend this year!

Spacecurves wrote:The ATC was indeed an awesome event, I highly recommend it. Every club that has five people and the resources to travel should attend this year!

Agreed. ATC is awesome.

When is the ATC? also how many teams compete?
Just curious..

ATC 2011 was in May. I believe there were 14 teams of five players this year which was the first.

Clauss wrote:When is the ATC? also how many teams compete?
Just curious..

A lot of forum faces came out too, the best part was putting faces to names.

I played Willingham and N. Rose from the ETC team, along with Aldonis and Hivemynd above me. Jon wipped my ass, but I did well on the rest. Was my first "big" tournament outside of Adepticon.

Edit: Extrenm! my teammate!

Hey guys,

braindead here from the German team. Thanks a lot for joining ETC once again, always a pleasure meeting you.

I have written a batrep for my game against Tony during our ETC match. Although it is in German, I think google translator will solve. For anyone interested you can find it on my blog www.40kings.de