I'm trying to get a feel on the community's opinion of the Blood Ravens, I've been stalking all the fluff on the internet about this chapter. I was wondering what everyone's opinion is on them. Things that are attracting me to this chapter:

1.) Lots of Librarians! As a fan of the old chaos codex of the Thousand Sons, back where pyshic powers meant something, I find this chapter because of their high volume of Librarians attractive. I like pyshic powers, they are fun and hey lets face we all like seeing a pyshers head explode when things go wrong!
2.) Lots of fluff to shift through and explore. Tons of information on these guys! It was a lot of fun reading about them online and through the DOW games. It's kind of like growing up with this chapter through the series, aside from the game mechanics, I liked the storylines. I think that the DOW 2 series made the Campaigns worth while because you leveled the guys you used. It also let you in to how the characters think, which I liked. A little mystery in there like having no idea who they are and where they started is a sweet open-ended story. Deleted chapter history? Chaos? True loyalist? Only the Emperor and Inquistion truly knows. Having a strong connection to Mars always helps too, plenty of bullets and vehicles to go around never hurts!
3.) I like their tactics from the fluff, observe the enemy and learn how to strike where it's weak to win. Make good use of scouts and call in the heavy support, that's my take on how they do business! Once they know how you operate you should just give up because you're done!
4.) Their paint scheme is easy and could be fun to paint! I find it a very effective scheme to do, especially with foundation paints and the like. If I do them then it's going to be battle worn and not the pretty and clean!
5.) I love the little hint that they are the lost brothers to the Thousand Sons! I'm a huge fan of the Thousand Sons and I think that they got screwed by Horus big time! You are to blame too youo ditry Space Wolves! I digress... I believe that the link between the Thousand Sons and Blood Ravens is a very compelling one and is solid. If you haven't read it it's on the wiki page http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Ravens and elsewhere. So the ability to play a Thousand Sons loyalist chapter has been almost a dream for me, but I really don't like doing DIY chapter.
6.) Chapter Master and Chief Librarian?!? Hells to the yes!!! Enough said here...

So what does everyone think about these guys?

Well, they're pretty messed up after the Retribution campaign, although they do have some pretty awesome characters. Gabriel Angelos, Davian Thule, and Tarkus. Oddly enough, I haven't liked any of their librarian characters.

Personally, I don't believe the link to the Thousand Sons to be true, but we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

Well, keep in mind that there are basicaly three Bloodravens chapter variants you could create.

- The standard, pre Aurelia version with lots of librarians, a healthy chapter and the chief librarian as chapter master thing.
- The followers of *deleted by the Inquisition* which are basicaly chaos marines ( which allows you to add some nice extra touch )
- post Aurelia, where the chapter is greatly weakened but "redeemed" and no longer has a chief librarian who also acts as chaptermaster ( and seems to have lost many of it's psykers ).

Awhile back I knew a guy who modeled a Blood Ravens army, by modeling all the Sergeants to LOOK like librarians. It was pretty impressive, too bad I don't have any pics . . but its a half-decent idea.

AchillesFTW wrote:Awhile back I knew a guy who modeled a Blood Ravens army, by modeling all the Sergeants to LOOK like librarians. It was pretty impressive, too bad I don't have any pics . . but its a half-decent idea.

That would be cool, but useless in the game. Having 2 Librarians for a HQ slot would be funny, and a lot of fun!

My most favorite chapter...
And they are not so easy to paint... chapter symbol is hard to get right...
They have the most bad-ass captain ( chapter master now ) and one of the most amazing fluff I have seen ( excluding the C.S.Goto part... ).

Well there is this.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/BLOOD-RAVENS-TRANSFER-SHEET.html

Zakiriel wrote:Well there is this.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/BLOOD-RAVENS-TRANSFER-SHEET.html

+1

I've slowly come full circle on the usage of transfers (especially now that I have wife and kids, so sometimes good enough is good enough)

Well atleast Gabriel Angelos is chapter master. i would follow him into battle anytime.

So I think that I'm going with these guys for all the right reasons. Unfortunately it means I'm going to have some issues turning my other space marines into Blood Ravens. I just purchase BT bits a while ago and a lot of my Space Marines already have Black Templar bits on them. It's going to take a lot of work to make everything work. Also, I can't find anywhere that says if the Blood Ravens follow the codex colors for companies or not. Anyone have any insight on this?

Don't understand all the love for Angelos.

I disagree with #5...
Also i'm with Omegus, i don't understand all of the love for Angelos?

He looks cool in the Retribution video, but he's just another Chapter Master with a Daemon Hammer I think...

Angelos is ok I guess, he was a great character in the first Dawn of War

KingDeath wrote: post Aurelia, where the chapter is greatly weakened but "redeemed" and no longer has a chief librarian who also acts as chaptermaster

My own nilla marines army.I use Calgar as chapter master.He goes by the name Raphael Xiorphian,also acting captain of 1st company.It isn't really a company,just 5 Terminators.

What do you think would be best for the HQ choice? Tigirus(sp?) and just use him as the Chapter Master/ Chief Librarian or another special character?

Here is my Chapter Command

Chapter Master-Calgar-Raphael Xiorphion


Chief Librarian Niven(Tiguirius)


Master Chaplain Palmarius(Cassius)

Captain of 1st company-Decieced-
Chapter Master acting as stand-in captain(Lysander will take over,under the name Zacheriah Mebetherian,once I buy him
)
Captain of 2nd company-Sicarius-Gabriel Angelos-
Promoted to 2nd company command after the death of the former,approximatly 12 Terran yrs after the Tyranid incursion into the Aurelia Sub-sector


Captain of 3rd Company-Kantor-Castiel Nesitoge

Captain of 4th company-Vulkan-Vehed Yuta'kesdo
Captain Vehed was recruited from the Forge world of Taren XXI.While not having the skill to be sent to Mars,Captain Vehed has great crafting skill,and wields a spear,hand crafted himself,and his left gauntlet has been extensivly modified to allow it to spew out burniong promethium in the same volume as the blessed heavy flamer.Vehed wears a cloak into battle,made from the skin of a Lyndwyrm,a creature he bested on the Death World of Henirel.The indestructable scales have saved him more than once.

5th company-Captain Aramus-Regular captain with combi melta,relic blade,hellfire rounds,digital weapons,articer armour
Captain Aramus was promoted to Captaincy after the Tyranid Incursion in the Aurelia subsector.He had his bloter modified to include a one-shot melta gun,following his return to the Omnis Arcanum.he still wields the ancient relic blade known as Wisdom.He is relativily new,but the Dreadnought that was the former captain Davian Thule,aids him in command.
Note on the Thule Dreadnought/Davian Thule:After damage to his Dreadnoght armour,Davian Thule was moved to another Dereadnought assembly,the first in history to have been.He now resides within an Ironclad assembly,commonly carrying a Seismic hammer and Powerfist,but has been known to wield Chainfists and Hurricaine bolters.

6th captain-Korsarro Khan-Lithenus Mactieran

Captain of 7th-deceased

Captain of 8th-Shrike-Teoris Quinsan
Captain Quinsan is known as the "Ninja" by his brothers,for his stealth and hit and run tactics.He carries a pair of ancient and deadly lighning claws,superior to any other of the same age.

Captain of 9th-deceased

Captain of 10th-deceased-scout sergeant Cyrus performing active commander.

I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them. Especially from the point of view that they are loyalist descendants of the 1k Sons.

The problem is that all my hopes and dreams for the Chapter will be destroyed by some turd who thinks he can write...

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them.

So you are ignoring the fact that they have a massive amout of fluff about they that actaully outstips some of the first founding combined.

They have a massive amount of materiel written about them.They even have their own computer game based on them,IIRC.

Still,the more the merrier,especially when it brings one mopre player away from the Ultrasmurf.

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them. Especially from the point of view that they are loyalist descendants of the 1k Sons.

The problem is that all my hopes and dreams for the Chapter will be destroyed by some turd who thinks he can write...

This made me laugh! I would like that too! Thanks Deadshot for that Chapter breakdown, did you kitbash Calgar or are you using his true model?

Using the true modal*.I just am no good with kitbashing or coversions.Best I ever doen was build a HK,using the Missile Launcher from the Devastators.Basically I built the top half and the Launcher,and put it on the cupola-legs,gunner thing.

*The Terminator one.The PA is aweful,plus I can't find a PA one.Besides,you get a banner and 3 honour guard with the termy armour.

you would have to have something about "The Fated"

You mean the 5th company?What about it?

well something about the captian that took them into the eye or somthing

You mean Sg Telion,the most flukey in history,hitting Old One WEye's eye socket?He and his men got pummelled,he got in a flukey shot,and still didn't kill it.

Deadshot wrote:You mean Sg Telion,the most flukey in history,hitting Old One WEye's eye socket?He and his men got pummelled,he got in a flukey shot,and still didn't kill it.

Did you just make that up?

Nope.That is the actual story of OOE.Ptg 57 of Nids codex,5th ed.

Deadshot wrote:Nope.That is the actual story of OOE.Ptg 57 of Nids codex,5th ed.

Never mind that.
I think he meant the captain of the 5th company who took the company int eh EoT (I think) and not Sergeant Telion who gave OOE his name...

Well,then I have no clue what you're on about.

And OOE lost his eye to a plasma pistol,fired though it into his brain during the invasion of Ultramar.

Sounds good!

Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

Angelos got his Daemon Hammer from Inquisitor Toth right before the finaly assault on Bale's forces. There were no Grey Knights involved at that time.
For unknown reasons a number of them assisted the chapter during the Kronos war, but why they did this is unknown.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them.

So you are ignoring the fact that they have a massive amout of fluff about they that actaully outstips some of the first founding combined.

Most of it is by Goto, though, so doesn't really count.

I like the blodd raven because they are interesting and different. i sick of hearing about the bloody smurfs and how giliuman s the best ect ect

i like how they are mysterious and could be one of the deleted chapters

Deadshot wrote:Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

How do you know this?

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Also,something interesting about the Blood Ravens,is that they are one of the few chapters allowed to know about the GK,possibly due to their high number of psykers.That is how Angelos got his Daemon Hammer.

How do you know this?

Well that's right on the wiki page, Blood Ravens have been allowed to know about the Grey Knights. "Knowledge is power, guard it well."

Although Angelos was given a hammer by the Inquisitor in the DOW series and not the Grey Knights.

I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Uhlan wrote:I really like the Blood Ravens and wish more fluff was written about them.

So you are ignoring the fact that they have a massive amout of fluff about they that actaully outstips some of the first founding combined.

I was being sarcastic...

purplefood wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

All the 1st founding(the legions) and the second founding know about them,as they were their when they were formed.

Ravens are just a chapter that popped up and said-"die Xenos scumvbags,die!"

They are unkwown founding have have an unknown primarch.

Deadshot wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I know that.They are allowed to know about them because they guard their knowledge,and have a high number of psykers.

All chapters guard knowledge. The Blood Ravens just place a higher importance on it. Incidentally plenty of chapters know about the existance of the Grey Knights.

All the 1st founding(the legions) and the second founding know about them,as they were their when they were formed.

Ravens are just a chapter that popped up and said-"die Xenos scumvbags,die!"

They are unkwown founding have have an unknown primarch.

That doesn't mark them out as particularly special.

Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

So much hate for C.S. Goto, his dawn of war novels were by no means fantastic but parts were good and I think he was the one to first suggest the Thousand Sons link.

As far as I care the Blood Ravens= thousand sons loyalist successor chapter. And arguing against it is being unable to accept any progress in the 40k story line. It breathes a little life into a setting that can become so stagnant.

orz192 wrote:So much hate for C.S. Goto, his dawn of war novels were by no means fantastic but parts were good and I think he was the one to first suggest the Thousand Sons link.

I'm thinking the note about the Grey Knights on the wiki is just the editor's assumption/fantasy based on the Grey Knights appearances in the DOW series. I don't recall anything ever being mentioned about such a relationship between the two chapters, and there is no source cited. That note is also suspiciously absent from Lexicanum.

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

If the DOW series is not a sufficient indicator, the story in Age of Darkness is certainly a strong one.


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If the DOW series is not a sufficient indicator, the story in Age of Darkness is certainly a strong one.

Not familiar enough with it to be fair, although I'm all for a connection if there's proof. No need to beat down every possible piece of evidence if any such exist, its just that neither of those are pointers for reasons I've explained.

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

What about the Excorsists,supossed decsendents of GK.

Deadshot wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Unlike other chapters,they can't trace their geneseed back to any of the primarchs.This has led to the conclusion of the 1k Sons,as they have the same motto as Magnus and have a disproportionate number of psykers.that not unique?A loyalist chapetr desceneded from a Trator Legion?

Knowledge is Power is also a phrase used by the Word Bearers. They have a large number of psykers due to the worlds they recruited from. Neither of those are any pointers to a Thousand Sons connection.

Only the Space Wolves know about the Grey Knights from the First founding. The Blood Angels don't, they were mind-wiped (excluding Dante). Select few chapters actually know of them, the Silver Skulls among them, as they point out potential recruits from amongst their own stock.
This connection isn't factual. The Grey Knights are in the game, the Blood Ravens were likely mind-wiped afterwards if the situation were real. They are also less likely to be trusted by the Grey Knights due to their quest for knowledge, which makes them vulnerable to corruption, like the Thousand Sons.

What about the Excorsists,supossed decsendents of GK.

What about them? Seriously, be more specific, as currently I see no relevance in that point.

Apologies.Do they know about the GK?

Yes, I assume so. They're Daemonhunters as well, more expendable but less effective. They're rumored to be made from GK geneseed. I see no reason for them not to know about who are likely their closest allies. They're pretty much free of corruption so there's little risk involved.

Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

Source?

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Exorcists

I kinda wantedto bring up a few points then I remembered...

1. Blood Ravens are from a computer game. (Thus have no real relevance to my vision of 40k)

2. Grey Knights have no business having their own codex. (Thus my extreme hatred for their models/codex)

Blood Ravens also have a few novels,which I believe the game was based on.I have one in front of me.Dawn of War 2.

Deadshot wrote:Blood Ravens also have a few novels,which I believe the game was based on.I have one in front of me.Dawn of War 2.

The novels were based on the games. Blood Ravens were created by the video games' developer, Relic.

Deadshot wrote:Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

It makes sense in light of the revised GK being all radicals instead of puritans.

Deadshot wrote:Free of corruption?You being serioud here?They actually allow themselves to be possessed,in order to better fight Daemons!The Daemon is banished by an Inquisitor,later,after which they are immune to possession,but they were still willingly possessed.That is why they have 2 extra scout companies.

Yes, they're pretty much free of corruption due to their possession. It makes it harder for Daemons to do it again, harder for them to be corrupted, and better against Daemons as their souls don't register to all but the most powerful.

They have to be corrupted to become Excorcists.So theycan't be free of corruption.

Deadshot wrote:They have to be corrupted to become Excorcists.So theycan't be free of corruption.

They're possessed by a Daemon. The Daemon is then banished from them, making them more resistant to corruption. Their souls are near invisible to Daemons, so yes, they are free of corruption.

During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

Deadshot wrote:During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

And the point of this possession is to make them resistant, which you don't seem to understand.

purplefood wrote:I disagree with #5...
Also i'm with Omegus, i don't understand all of the love for Angelos?

That voice could move mountains man...

iproxtaco wrote:

Deadshot wrote:During that time,they are corrupted.Once corrupted,they will always have a dark taint in them.

And the point of this possession is to make them resistant, which you don't seem to understand.

No I don't understand.Astartes,especially the Grey Knights from which they were originally dirived,are already resistent to possession.Why would you actually want to be possessed,regardless of outcome?IMO,they are Heretics and Traitors,who invite Daemons into the Real Space.

Yes, and then they immediately banish them.

Doesn't matter what they do with them.They allow themselves to be possessed and corrupted.How is that any different from a CSM?

They do it so that they can more effectively fight Demons.

Deadshot wrote:Doesn't matter what they do with them.They allow themselves to be possessed and corrupted.How is that any different from a CSM?

Because the Daemon is banished from their bodies in order to serve a purpose that they are loyal to. Their souls are now invisible to all but the most powerful Daemons, it makes them very hard to corrupt, like the Grey Knights, whose souls hurt Daemons.

They are redundant then.If they were already hard to corrupt,and hurtDaemons that attempted posseission,why be invisible.Surely you would want them to attempt it so they are hurt.Hiding is not what an Astartes does.Hiding is for assassins,and cowards.

What are you talking about? Use the Space Bar, it helps. Are you saying that the Exorcists are redundant because the Grey Knights exist? No, because the former are far more expendable. Their SOULS are invisible. It means that less powerful Daemons can't possess them as easily, they're still perfectly visible to the eye. Any advantage is a good thing, being hard to detect certainly is an advantage. Are you thinking that all Space Marines have souls that hurt Daemons? Because that's a trait that only the Grey Knights have, thanks to the processes that create them.

Grey Knight souls hurt Daemons.Exorcist souls arer invisible to them.So why would you need a chapter that is invisible to Daemons,when already hacve a chapter that hurts them,which are the forebearers to the former.

Actually that raises a question for me.

The Exorcists are derived form the GK.So the Original Exorcists had to be pure GK.So how would the GK get possessed if they hurt Daemons for mere contact or whatever?

Deadshot wrote:Grey Knight souls hurt Daemons.Exorcist souls arer invisible to them.So why would you need a chapter that is invisible to Daemons,when already hacve a chapter that hurts them,which are the forebearers to the former.

Because the Exorcists are expendable compared to them, and are more numerous. The Grey Knights cant be everywhere at once, only the most dire of incursions warrant their full attention. The Exorcists are 'cheaper', are expendable, and are easier to train, and the Inquisition wont have to go around killing more people than the Daemons did to keep them a secret.

Actually that raises a question for me.

The Exorcists are derived form the GK.So the Original Exorcists had to be pure GK.So how would the GK get possessed if they hurt Daemons for mere contact or whatever?

You misunderstand how the Chapter is formed. It's rumored that Grey Knight geneseed was used. It's not this that makes their souls hurt Daemons, its their training and conditioning. The first Exorcist was just an anonymous human taken from his world and brought up as a Space Marine, not a previous Grey Knight.

Both points considererd,I still think they are going to betray the Imperium,eventually.

Nah, they wont, if you still think that then you still don't understand what makes the Exorcists highly resistant to corruption, more so than all other Chapters, excluding the Grey Knights of course.

I completely understand.I just think they shouldn't be trusted.I am just one of those people.

The thing is if the GK will know the origins of the Blood ravens and if they are connected to a traitor legion then they will treat them with mistrust.

That is the whole point.No one knows who the Ravens descended from,or what primarch they served.It is possible they were one of the missing legions,but the theory about the 1k sons is the most likely.

Deadshot wrote:They are redundant then.If they were already hard to corrupt,and hurtDaemons that attempted posseission,why be invisible.Surely you would want them to attempt it so they are hurt.Hiding is not what an Astartes does.Hiding is for assassins,and smart people.

Fixed that for you.


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Deadshot wrote:I completely understand.I just think they shouldn't be trusted.I am just one of those people.

If anything they are one of the few chapters that wouldn't fall.

I mean I am just a person that is mistrustful of unorthodox practise.Possession by Daemons?Yeah,while I am at it,I might just cut my groin off with a butter knife,and jump off a ten storey building.

Deadshot wrote:I mean I am just a person that is mistrustful of unorthodox practise.Possession by Daemons?Yeah,while I am at it,I might just cut my groin off with a butter knife,and jump off a ten storey building.

Well clearly the traditional way of fighting them wasn't working too great.
IG can't fight them.
Normal SM can be overwhelmed.
GK can't be everywhere.
So maybe a chapter of GK light can help with the problem.

Maybe,but I don't like them.

I prefer the standard,"FOR THE EMPEROR!CHARGE!", thing that nilla marines do.

No accounting for taste i suppose...

It is a simple case of love for the classics.

Yeah classics...
38,000 years in the future.

Deadshot wrote:No I don't understand.Astartes,especially the Grey Knights from which they were originally dirived,are already resistent to possession.Why would you actually want to be possessed,regardless of outcome?IMO,they are Heretics and Traitors,who invite Daemons into the Real Space.

This is part of the background of 40K that harks back to the Illuminati. Those who have been possessed and exorcised the demon are actually as resistant (or more so in older fluff) to further Chaos incursion than even the Grey Knights. It's the same principle behind tempering a blade to make it stronger, or any of the immunizations you may have received over the course of your life.

A Grey Knight's resistance to Chaos is a hazmat suit of wards, sacred rites, and psychological and psychic conditioning. An Exorcist's resistance is that of a vaccine.

I know the Illuminati.Never heard that part before,but you have peaked my interest,not an easy thing to do,and I give.

Spacebar. It's a good thing.

Are we to understand that the Blood Ravens campaign ending for DoW2 retribution is the "canon" outcome for that storyline?

Also I've been trying to find it on you tube, does anyone know where to find a video that has the Eldar in their campaign having a little discussion about Slaanesh?

Just Bought the Space Marine Commander box set and the Codex, because I sold mine to a friend. Planning on priming the commander white and using him as a captain for my 2nd Company. I have 3 tac squads I have to get together and prime and paint and a bunch other misc guys! Wish me luck!


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Anyone know a great set-up for a captain for the boxed set? I was thinking Lightning claws, storm bolter and hell fire rounds, any sugguestions?

Storm bolters can't take Hellfires,niether can Heavy bolters or Bolt pistols,however combi weapons can.


I set up mine as a Cghapter master,or a captain if I need points.

Combi-melta,Relic Blade,Artificer armour,Hellfire,Aux Grenade launcher*,Digi-weapon nets you 200 or 175 points.A JP makes this 225 or 200.



*These are fun,but not life changing.

After much consideration, I've decided that I'm going with Sicarious for the Captain for the 2nd Company of the Blood Ravens. I haven't thought of a name for him but he's all modelled and ready to go for painting. I like his rules and I think that he will be perfect for my Blood ravens! So with that, I'm going to go with the 2nd company for Blood Ravens as the start point for the Chapter.

Try Merin Nucero.

I also use him as captain of the second for my Blood ravens.

Mybye make the grand master like a GK grand master, i.e. good phykic powers but still kick-ass in combat.

JamesMclaren123 wrote:Mybye make the grand master like a GK grand master, i.e. good phykic powers but still kick-ass in combat.

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Didn't they get rid of Allied list for the GK? I'm pretty sure that was taken out since the new codex, however I don't have it so... yeah.

Post-Aurelia, the BR decreed that never would a Libby become chapter master, for like the HH, chief libby and Master of a Space Marine chapter is too much power.

I started a Blog on this now...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/396004.page

I kind of thought that Angelos would have become a dreadnought at the end after the damage he took at the end of retribution. Would have been sort of cool though having a dreadnought for a chapter master.

I haven't played the DoW 2 series all the way to the end yet, but I'm working on it. As well as working on making the 2nd Company.