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Post by: Kroothawk
Official teaser video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD7YVR5Cm98&feature=youtu.be
Official pics here:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh
Book: http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136543&d=1332955525
Griffon:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136544&d=1332955571
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136545&d=1332955628
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136546&d=1332955678
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136547&d=1332955732
Wizard-mobile:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136548&d=1332955776
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136549&d=1332955828
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136550&d=1332955879
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136551&d=1332955930
War Altar:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136552&d=1332955975
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136553&d=1332956124
Demigriffon:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136554&d=1332956167
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136556&d=1332956222
Other:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136557&d=1332956261
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=136558&d=1332956303
Estel from Warseer wrote:Empire Army Book (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• 96p Full colour, Hardback Army Book.
• Essential guide to the Empire army including background, new rules, Army List, artwork and miniature gallery.
• Every Character and Unit in the Army Book is available to buy!
• Contains rules for brand new ‘never seen before’ miniatures.
Plastic Kits
Karl Franz on Deathclaw (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one of THREE different models; Karl Franz on Deathclaw, Empire General on Griffon or Amber Wizard Lord on Griffon.
• Assembled kit is huge- 6” high and 9” wide.
• A centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• Kit contains lots of extra pieces i.e. Multiple Chest plates and heads for the Griffon and more.
Empire Celestial Hurricanum / Luminark of Hysh (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one of Two different models; or the.
o The Celestial Hurricanum: A rare choice for the Empire Army or a mount for a Celestial Battle Wizard Lord.
o Enhances the armies fighting abilities, spell casting and can create enchanted storms!
Or
o Luminark of Hysh: A rare choice for the Empire Army or a mount for a Light Battle Wizard Lord.
o Creates a magical enchantment that protects nearby troops and helps disrupt enemy spell casting and can fire deadly beam of light at the enemy!
• A centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• Each kit contains lots of extra parts e.g. Light and Celestial Battle Wizard lords, Acolytes etc.
Volkmar the Grim on The War Altar of Sigmar (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that constructs the mighty War Altar of Sigmar.
• Standing 7” high it is a centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• The War Altar is a Lord choice as it can be a mount for either Volkmar or an Arch Lector.
Empire Demigryph Knights (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains enough multipart plastic pieces to assemble three Demigryph Knights- Elite Monstrous Cavalry that are a Special choice in the Empire Army Book.
• The kit allows you to model the rank and file Inner Circle Knights or a full command group or a mixture of both.
• The kit allows them to take lances or a cavalry Halberd.
Empire Master Engineer (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• Plastic Frame Clampack that contains one Master Engineer.
• The Master Engineer is a Hero Choice in the army.
• The Master Engineer is easy to assemble and can be assembled in different ways.
Captain of the Empire (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• Plastic Frame Clampack that contains one Captain of the Empire.
• The Captain of the Empire is a Hero Choice in the army.
• The Captain of the Empire is easy to assemble and comes with 2 heads to choose from.
Harry wrote:NOW UPDATED WITH FACTS!
Rumours about the Timescale:
Opinions vary but I think....
Empire is being released in April 2012
A date of the 7th of April has been suggested.
ITS OFFICIAL 7th APRIL
Rumours about the Book:
Mr Cruddace has written the book (hastings)
IT'S OFFICIAL : The book IS with the first wave of models in April.(Harry) (33EUR)
In the book there are three options for the War Alter. (hastings)
One is a character mount but there are two additional options as rare choices. (hastings)
(Not Quite ... war alter and two magickthinyamigigs) (Harry)
Rumours about the army:
Nothing solid on army wide changes
Rumours about models:
Empire will get 4 plastic kits and 2 plastic 'single pose' characters. (6 Plastic in total) (Harry)
Also at least one new sculpt in finecast as well as some old models being redone in finecast.
Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages and warrior priests.(Birdy via Darnock)
This will see The Empire become the first fantasy army that can be all plastic.
On release all units and options will be available from the release date. (Birdy via Darnock)
Not sure how to interpret this .... every option in the book will be covered OR no second wave?
HERE IS WHAT WE ARE GETTING:
6 Plastic kits:
Karl Franz on Death Claw 1 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Empire Celestial Hurricanium/Luminark of Hish 1 fig. plastic 39 EUR (2 Rare slot magic platforms)
Empire Demigryph Knights 3 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Captain plastic 1 fig. 10,5 EU
Engineer plastic 10,5 EUR
Volkar on war altar plastic 1 fig 39 EUR
Finecast:
Witch hunter 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Markus Wolfhart 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Empire amber wizard 1 fig resin splash release 13 EUR
Warrior priest 1 fig resin 13 eur
Rumours of Characters/Lords/Heroes
I heard something about a mounted Wizard..... as a mount option for the Griffon? (Amber wizard)
The Gryphon can be built as a two headed Griffon :WTF:
Also something about a new Jade? wizard ... this guy will be in finecast.
Single Hero Sprues of Mage? and Empire Captain (Birdy via Darnock)
I heard something about an engineer. I heard it was plastic and a very nice sculpt. (Harry)
I heard something about a plastic Captain ... also very nice. (Harry)
Marius Leitdorf will be re-released in Finecast.
Finecast - Order specific mages and warrior priests. (Birdy via Darnock)
Rumours of Karl Franz OR Lord/Hero on Griffon.
There are rumours of a plastic Lord/Hero on a Griffon that could 'pass' as Karl Franz. (Harry)
There is a rumour that it IS Karl Franz. (which is an interesting development as this is the first time we have seen a special, named character as a plastic kit). (Harry and Hastings)
“The new plastic Empire hero on griffon is also supposed to be very nice” (hastings)
Griffin, which to be honest is a bit of a let down. It's big, Manticore sized, and looks almost like an update of the Deathclaw mini only a bit more static, oddly it was painted a deep ruddy brown. (Darnock via birdy)
As you see opinions vary ... I heard it was BIG and the paint job and the camera angle have not done it any favours. So I shall wait until I have it in my hands before passing judgement.
More importantly I heard it has the option of KF a generic lord/hero or an Amber wizard.
Rumours of a plastic War Altar (and something new?)
There are rumours of a dual plastic kit which makes a War Altar and something else. (Harry, hastings, malladin.ben)
It is rumoured that the War Altar can be customised to make Sigmar, Ulric or Morr. (ghost21)
There is a rumour that it makes a War Altar and a “College of Magic wizardlordmobile”. (NatTreehouse, Harry)
A war altar combo kit with a wizardy casting platform thing which had lots of globes almost like a celestial model. (Darnock via birdy)
New from BoW: We’re hearing that an Glass Lens Weapon (Ala Archimedes) is on the cards as well. – If so will this include some kind of clear perspex component like in the Necron kits?
I assume this is part of the wizard platform.
Have heard a conflicting rumour that whilst working from the same chassis these may be two seperate kits.
Nice little rumour from Kyte that the War Alter may be pushed into combat by Flagellants rather than pulled by horses.
I have heard the iconic statue of the griffon remains. (This pours water on the customise for different religions rumour. I feel like I would have heard 'you can have a Griffon like the last one or a big wolf' ... Didn't hear that. )
Rumours of new Warrior priests:
There were lots of rumours of new warrior priests early on.
I think that any new priests will be done for the plastic War Altar.
(Rather than an additional kit or individual sculpts)
But I get the impression there is more than one priest with the kit .... extras left over for a Preist on foot.
Rumours of Demi-Griffon knights.
There are rumours of Demi-Griffon knights. (Eldargal and others Me but not allowed to say anything earlier. )
Don't expect the same as the Forge World one ... expect something a bit different. (harry)
Three to a box (Birdy via Darnock)
Rumours of knights:
So many conflicting rumours about Knights I don't know what to make of it.
I have heard nearly nothing about new Knights .... so I assume that is what is happening. (Nearly nothing. )
My guess is sprues have been seen/heard about for demi-griff knights...and conclusions have been leapt to.
Rumours of new Knights:
No new knights kit. (hastings)
Rumours that Reiksguard knights are in the book. (hastings)
Rumours of a Nuln Siege Cannon:
There were rumours of a BIG cannon ....
I have heard nothing about this .... so I assume this isn't happening.
There are rumours of some things back from 4th edition:(ghost21)
Rumours of Halflings:(ghost21)
No Halflings in the book.
Rumours of the War Wagon: (ghost21)
NO War Wagon in the book.
BRING IT ON!
Darnok over at Warseer posted this from an anonymous source:
So i understand empire will get 4 kits. Knights obviously. 2 character ones (cant properly remember which ones but if you notice the priest of morr rules i would guess WP's will get a kit). And a new war atlar. The Altar kit will be a dual kit. The second option will be a Nuln seige cannon. Massive cannon used to defend the walls of nuln.
He adds:
I can't comment on how solid these are. But it's not the first - and probably not the last - I've heard over the last few weeks. It seems to me like the Empire is not too far away, meaning somewhere in the next six months.
Something more: the knight mentioned are supposedly not replacements of the current knights, but demi-gryph knights. See Warhammer Forge for reference.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/THE-EMPIRE/THEODORE-BRUCKNER-AND-REAPER.html
75hastings69 wrote:Empire are not getting updates of current knights, there are different cav coming though. The old crappy horses/knights remain. War altar makes something else, but afaik it's not a cannon of any kind.
eldargal wrote:I heard more Knightly Orders, not just one box of generic knights, plus warrior priests halflings and some characters, including a female. Never heard anything about a war altar/cannon kit, I heard a vague whisper of a war altar/war wagon kit.
(...)
Oh, forgot about demigrpyh/griff/griffon cavalry. Looking forward to seeing those actually.
ghost21 wrote:i really shouldnt mention it but some things are back from 4th ed?.. im thinking
(...)
take with salt..
warrior priest of morr/ sigmar/ ulric, the ulric may be a re release from soc
oh and a special warrior priestess of myramidia?
Harry wrote:No salt required fits with something I heard about a choice of priests.
.... and that would be Myrmidia.
Concerning next army books:
75hastings69 wrote:The WD VC article should be viewed as a stop gap between books, terrorgheist will be in proper print much quicker than some people may imagine
ihavetoomuchminis wrote:January is more accurate for VC.
I know common sense dictates Woodies and Brets.
But this is GW 
I am sticking with VC, Empire, Dwarves
(...)
There is some other stuff in there too but I am not sure if it is only waves with the bits I have heard so far.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Hah! I keep telling people "You know, GW is totally going to give Empire demi-gryphon knights. It's inevitable!".
I really hope it comes true, because Reaper is freaking awesome.
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Post by: kenshin620
Great, Brets and WE are in the dust for VC, Empire, and Dwarves?
Real nice 
Although an expansion of the priests is welcoming.
Still no hope for Kislev is there?
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Post by: lasgunpacker
Demi-Gryphons and no new knights would also being in keeping with the new policy of "Moar Monsters, and to heck with your basic troops" that GW has obviously adopted in the last little while. Same with a war altar/cannon.
Sigmar/Ulric/Morr priest kit sounds interesting though.
Hopefully the Warrior priest of Myrmidia comes out in plastic, like the various new generic characters have been.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Really happy that they're expanding the different deities in the next book, the 7th edition book was far too sigmar-centric.
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Post by: Jon Touchdown
No Brets = me sad
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Post by: ph34r
I am excited for VC.
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Post by: Flashman
Expanded Priests 
Demi-griffon cavalry  I have tolerated monstrous cavalry for TK and OK because the units looked right for the armies. However, I'm beginning to get a bit tired of this "monsters for everyone" approach. It just won't feel right for Empire. Big arse war machines, maybe, but big beaky horses just doesn't work for me.
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Post by: Slinky
Flashman wrote:Demi-griffon cavalry I have tolerated monstrous cavalry for TK and OK because the units looked right for the armies. However, I'm beginning to get a bit tired of this "monsters for everyone" approach. It just won't feel right for Empire. Big arse war machines, maybe, but big beaky horses just doesn't work for me.
That's how I feel too...
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Post by: Cerebrium
VC and Empire over WE and Brets. Seems par for the course, really.
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Post by: Vermillion
I was thinking dwarves was up next before empire, oh well, 2012 might be a very interesting year for GW to try to tempt me back if the rumours of 6th ed and new eldar are true and dwarves come along mid to late 2012 too.
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Post by: EmilCrane
I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update? I... I... I am probably going to start Flames of War.
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Post by: Acardia
I'm fine with the Demi-gryph, I think that the concepts are cool as well regarding the cannon. I would also not be suprised that Lumpin Croop returns into the empire if a new halfling kit comes into play.
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Post by: Scottywan82
ph34r wrote:I am excited for VC.
Ditto! Hope this means some new plastic kits for Black Knights. Guaranteed I will be having some of that.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Scottywan82 wrote:ph34r wrote:I am excited for VC.
Ditto! Hope this means some new plastic kits for Black Knights. Guaranteed I will be having some of that.
I wouldn't hold out hope for Black Knights.
Interestingly enough, one of the rumors I've heard from Warseer is a kind of "Frankensteinian" monster in the form of a Flesh Golem.
Do want.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Yeah... cool I guess. I want some more sick skeleton warriors on horseback, though!
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Post by: Jon Touchdown
EmilCrane wrote:I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update? I... I... I am probably going to start Flames of War.
I feel the same way bro 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Think about it like this.
They can introduce Flesh Golems via White Dwarf like they did the Terrorgheist and Cairn Wraith/Tomb Banshee hero choices.
Black Knights can be kept in reserve for when the new army book comes out properly. And then they can add a mad doctor who makes Flesh Golems troop choices!
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Post by: Flashman
EmilCrane wrote:I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update?
It's taking them longer to think up some new big arse monsters that will fit in with the Bretonnian fluff. Don't worry. This is GW. They will find a way 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Flashman wrote:EmilCrane wrote:I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update?
It's taking them longer to think up some new big arse monsters that will fit in with the Bretonnian fluff. Don't worry. This is GW. They will find a way
Who says they can't do Empire releases in WD and the Bretonnian army book?
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Post by: winnertakesall
I swear rumors are getting more and more frequent.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kanluwen wrote:Flashman wrote:EmilCrane wrote:I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update?
It's taking them longer to think up some new big arse monsters that will fit in with the Bretonnian fluff. Don't worry. This is GW. They will find a way
Who says they can't do Empire releases in WD and the Bretonnian army book?
With GW's love affair with Empire... its more likely to be the other way around.
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Post by: Melonfish
Shame, Brets really do need that update, the army list and model list is somewhat thin on the ground at the moment what with finecast taking all the metals off the shelves...
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Post by: Kanluwen
aka_mythos wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Flashman wrote:EmilCrane wrote:I love the Empire lots but... Brets are the oldest book out there, but we get no update?
It's taking them longer to think up some new big arse monsters that will fit in with the Bretonnian fluff. Don't worry. This is GW. They will find a way
Who says they can't do Empire releases in WD and the Bretonnian army book?
With GW's love affair with Empire... its more likely to be the other way around.
Can't blame them for having a love affair with a well-selling army. 
Plus, if they really have such a love affair why are my Knights riding horses older than some of the posters here? 
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Post by: English Assassin
scarletsquig wrote:Really happy that they're expanding the different deities in the next book, the 7th edition book was far too sigmar-centric.
Agreed. It's well past time Alluminas, Arianka and Solkan got some attention.
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Post by: Ouroborus
They should keep new knightly orders out. It tramples (no pun intended) on Bret territory too much.
HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
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Post by: Verd_Warr
Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh? 
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kanluwen wrote:Can't blame them for having a love affair with a well-selling army.
I don't. I don't blame GW for doing lots of Empire and I don't blame them for doing lots of Space Marines. I only blame them when they finally do get around to another army and do too little or don't do it well. When an army needs help, GW could just as easily axe the army and I accept the cost of GW revisiting a poorly followed army is their greater support of a more promenant army.
GW just has to figure out how to get itself out of the corner its painted itself into. The religious angle is the only thing Bretonnia have going for them since they aren't technologically as advanced, as magically advanced, and have no skilled warrior beyond their knights. Despite Bretonnia's seemingly religious slant everything they can do the cults of Sigmar can do better. So there are alot of barriers to Bretonnian's being improved.
Kanluwen wrote:Plus, if they really have such a love affair why are my Knights riding horses older than some of the posters here?
GW has focused more energy on other aspect of the Empire than the totality of Bretonnia... so it matters little when they leave something for later. Add to that the fact GW's giving Empire demi-gryph knights in their book... so who needs horses.
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Post by: Kanluwen
aka_mythos wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Can't blame them for having a love affair with a well-selling army.
I don't. I don't blame GW for doing lots of Empire and I don't blame them for doing lots of Space Marines. I only blame them when they finally do get around to another army and do too little or don't do it well. When an army needs help, GW could just as easily axe the army and I accept the cost of GW revisiting a poorly followed army is their greater support of a more prominent army.
I'll agree with you on this, but to their credit...they've only really axed one "official" army. Sublists and campaign stuff they've done more to, but we're not getting into that as much as some people would love to I'm sure.
GW just has to figure out how to get itself out of the corner its painted itself into. The religious angle is the only thing Bretonnia have going for them since they aren't technologically as advanced, as magically advanced, and have no skilled warrior beyond their knights. Despite Bretonnia's seemingly religious slant everything they can do the cults of Sigmar can do better. So there are alot of barriers to Bretonnian's being improved.
I don't really think the Bretonnians have a "religious angle" personally. They're very much the embodiment of the early Romantic era stuff regarding King Arthur, though and if I had to pick one phrase to describe the army in its background it would be "The Hero Cult".
Kanluwen wrote:Plus, if they really have such a love affair why are my Knights riding horses older than some of the posters here?
GW has focused more energy on other aspects of the Empire than the totality of Bretonnia... so it matters little when they leave something for later.
I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here. Are you meaning "They're fleshing out the religions of the Empire, which seemingly has had more effort put into it than the entirety of Bretonnia's background"?
If so, I'd say that there's not too much work for them to actually do in regards to fleshing out the Empire's religions. It's been done for awhile in WHFRP, Warhammer Online, and there was even a White Dwarf with a five or six page spread about the various religions.
Add to that the fact GW's giving Empire demi-gryph knights in their book... so who needs horses.
Anyone fielding Knights? Demigryphon Knights likely will be dubbed "Inner Circle Knights" and a rare/special choice so that there's a choice for those trying to do a Knightly Order army and foregoing blackpowder weapons.
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Post by: Cyporiean
I'd be fine with Wood Elves eating Bretonnia...
Though with neither army being updated in the seeable future, it does have the positive note of my not getting sucked back into Fantasy.
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Post by: agnosto
I was thinking the next fantasy book would be Brets or Empire since the easter eggs in the Ogre artwork....that and the bound and gagged emperial soldier dangling from my thundertusk.  I hope they nerf the steam tank. There's no reason something should be T10 W10 and have a 1+ save.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kanluwen wrote:I don't really think the Bretonnians have a "religious angle" personally. They're very much the embodiment of the early Romantic era stuff regarding King Arthur, though and if I had to pick one phrase to describe the army in its background it would be "The Hero Cult".
I just use religious angle as short hand for the embodiement of their faith in the Lady of the Lake and virtuousness. Its more that Bretonnia should be able to do something equal to or better than the Empire... beyond knights.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here. Are you meaning "They're fleshing out the religions of the Empire, which seemingly has had more effort put into it than the entirety of Bretonnia's background"? If so, I'd say that there's not too much work for them to actually do in regards to fleshing out the Empire's religions. It's been done for awhile in WHFRP, Warhammer Online, and there was even a White Dwarf with a five or six page spread about the various religions.
Your original comment was presumably on the age of the horse minatures the empire models use? -and my point was just that the Empire model range has recieved a lot of attention the last two edition, even if something like horses have been neglected. Any army, like Empire, can always use or appreciate more fleshing out, but I think its Bretonnia who need it. All in due time.
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Post by: Kanluwen
aka_mythos wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I don't really think the Bretonnians have a "religious angle" personally. They're very much the embodiment of the early Romantic era stuff regarding King Arthur, though and if I had to pick one phrase to describe the army in its background it would be "The Hero Cult".
I just use religious angle as short hand for the embodiement of their faith in the Lady of the Lake and virtuousness. Its more that Bretonnia should be able to do something equal to or better than the Empire... beyond knights.
Ahhh. Gotcha on that one.
Kanluwen wrote: I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to here. Are you meaning "They're fleshing out the religions of the Empire, which seemingly has had more effort put into it than the entirety of Bretonnia's background"? If so, I'd say that there's not too much work for them to actually do in regards to fleshing out the Empire's religions. It's been done for awhile in WHFRP, Warhammer Online, and there was even a White Dwarf with a five or six page spread about the various religions.
Your original comment was presumably on the age of the horse minatures the empire models use? -and my point was just that the Empire model range has recieved a lot of attention the last two edition, even if something like horses have been neglected. Any army, like Empire, can always use or appreciate more fleshing out, but I think its Bretonnia who need it. All in due time.
But let's be fair. The attention that the Empire model range received was no different than the overhaul that Bretonnia received when their book came out. It's not like the Empire got their models in the middle of another army's book release, right?
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Post by: Minsc
I can sort of understand doing Empire and Dwarves before the other armies, if only because two of GW's big focuses this edition are Magic and Monsters. Guess what one army is short of in both regards, and the other is short of in one regard and has an extremely high shut-out capability in the other regard?
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Post by: Ouroborus
Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
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Post by: RiTides
Yes, but don't great swords cost a fortune? Maybe I'm thinking of another Empire unit... you know, the one that's good but no one ever takes due to it being a box of 10 for a ton of $$$...
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Post by: ph34r
Yeah, greatswords cost a lot. Less than they used to, but still more than they should. It wouldn't be so bad if this edition didn't require blocks of 30-40 'swords, that is pretty harsh on the wallet.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Ouroborus wrote:Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
I think that's the point. The empire was based off of 17th(?) century Germany, and that's what they wore.
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Post by: UltraPrime
If you want Greatswords, you're better off (in the long run) buying Battalions to get them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ouroborus wrote:Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
...Greatswords have all of those things.
It's also worth noting that Greatswords are going to look far more regimented because they're the elite troops of an Elector Count.
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Post by: kenshin620
Although I have to admit, with perry WOTR knights coming out late 2011/early 2012, I am tempted to start a knight heavy army.
Something tells me though the demigrifs are going to use the mournfang's 2 in a box "you cant have a full rank" set
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Post by: Kanluwen
Isn't that about the same as any chariot-based items?
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Post by: kenshin620
Kanluwen wrote:Isn't that about the same as any chariot-based items?
TK chariots are 3 to a box
Other chariot units were boxed before chariot based units were made (goblin chariots) or are still single model units
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Post by: Martin27
agnosto wrote:
I hope they nerf the steam tank. There's no reason something should be T10 W10 and have a 1+ save.
It's stats are irrelevant, with the 'anything wounds on a 6' ruling, and the facts that everyone and their dog can shoot/fight combat, its a total waste of 300pts. this from a man who owns 2 :-(
I agree with what a lot of people are saying-the demi-gryffins are un-necessary, what is needed is nice cavalry models. But yup, welcome to the age of nothing but monsters. If it doesn't have a £27+ price tag it doesn't get made
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kanluwen wrote:aka_mythos wrote:Your original comment was presumably on the age of the horse minatures the empire models use? -and my point was just that the Empire model range has recieved a lot of attention the last two edition, even if something like horses have been neglected. Any army, like Empire, can always use or appreciate more fleshing out, but I think its Bretonnia who need it. All in due time.
But let's be fair. The attention that the Empire model range received was no different than the overhaul that Bretonnia received when their book came out. It's not like the Empire got their models in the middle of another army's book release, right?
Well its partially the sentiment that Empire had received just as much attention to models with each of the last two books while Bretonnians haven't...and that's fine... Its just that a lot of the Empire models that were redone had relatively recently been redone, absorbing much of the effort that could have gone towards new horses or knights. When an army gets so much unnecessary its hard to garner sympathy to a small thing like horses.
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Post by: Ouroborus
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ouroborus wrote:Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
I think that's the point. The empire was based off of 17th(?) century Germany, and that's what they wore.
Go buy a book that illustrates what the common German soldier wore in that time period. You'll find a lot of uniformity and puff.
Kanluwen wrote:Ouroborus wrote:Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
...Greatswords have all of those things.
No they look miles better than state troops.
Their clothing and armor is superior, their faces look good, no awkward poses, FACIAL HAIR etc etc.
What GW should do is take their 6th edition state troops, update them a bit so they can have different poses and have them take the place of what we have now.
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Post by: Flashman
Well Ouroborus, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but personally I think the State Troops look fantastic individually. They were done just after the point when GW started to put really nicely details on their sculpts and basically set the standard for what has followed since.
It's just a shame they're nearly impossible to rank up as Halberdiers/Spearmen.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The only thing I don't like about the State Troops is that some of them have bare feet.
I just took a needle file and rounded the toes out and filled over the toes so it looks like yet more slippers.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Ouroborus wrote:CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ouroborus wrote:Verd_Warr wrote:Ouroborus wrote:HOPEFULLY The Empire gets new state troops. As they stand now they're some of the worst looking core units in the entire game.
You are, of course, entitled to that opinion, but... huh?
They look terrible. Weird poses, goofy faces, no puffy shrts, dumb hats, random junk on them etc etc etc
They should look towards the great swords to see what they SHOULD do with state troops, appearance-wise.
I think that's the point. The empire was based off of 17th(?) century Germany, and that's what they wore.
Woops, sorry misread that. I thought you said they had puffy shirts.
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Post by: Ouroborus
This is what Empire State Troops should look like:
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1739
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Post by: Kanluwen
...
That's almost exactly what they do look like.
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Post by: Airmaniac
Why is this thread now about what Empire State Troops should look like, instead of the actual main thing here, which is that Wood Elves and Bretonnia are going to be fethed for years to come. Once GW finally gets around to redoing their Armybooks it will be almost time for 9th edition, which has a good chance of screwing up the then finally decent (in 8th edition) Wood Elves / Bretonnia....
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Post by: BrookM
Hmm, Landsknecht had those uniforms because hey, you live only once and you had to look your best guv.
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Post by: Saphos
@ Kan
Not really, they lack the puffy sleeves/slashed clothes style mostly. The Goldswords indeed look more like that.
@ Ourobos
Yet, the state troops are historically accurate still (if that means much in a fantasy army). The style of clothing they wear is that of the common (not Landsknecht) men or earlier Landsknechte in that period (see the nice woodcuts Dürer did of Landsknechte around 1505), including the hats with outrages feathers which are spot on ^^. They fit quite well for around 1490-1505 whereas the later you get, the more puffy the sleeves and the more heavy slashes you see. The Goldswords/the Artizan stuff is around 1520. I think it is a nice detail to use this difference in style to depict the difference in status. They indeed could have done the state troops in the more flashy style but they obviously chose not to (as this is fantasy they had not historical obligations anyway). As the kits are quite new, we can bet on not seeing a replacement in quite some time. Whether we like them or not.
Ontopic:
Hmmm, although as an Empire Player I like this rumour, Brets and Woodies should be redone before. But as one of the rumourists said, it is GW so we shouldn´t be surprised. I´d love to see a warwagon, that is for sure.
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Post by: Small, Far Away
Vampire Counts? WTF?
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Post by: Saphos
Probably indeed the "popular armies get done first" thing.
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Post by: Erasoketa
I think that both Empire and VC desperately need an update for their chavalry. New plastic kits with the quality of the Chaos Marauders, Chaos Knights or Dark Elves Cold Ones should be the update for Knight Orders and Blood Knights.
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Post by: Bloodwin
I dont care for the Empire but monstrous cavalry makes sense for monster hammer. I hope Dwarves come soon and they seem a good choice as GW need to get their version of Dwarves set in the minds of players before the Hobbit clouds everybody's minds.
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Post by: Alpharius
Airmaniac wrote:Why is this thread now about what Empire State Troops should look like, instead of the actual main thing here, which is that Wood Elves and Bretonnia are going to be fethed for years to come. Once GW finally gets around to redoing their Armybooks it will be almost time for 9th edition, which has a good chance of screwing up the then finally decent (in 8th edition) Wood Elves / Bretonnia....
Probably because the title of the thread kind of tells us what to expect inside...?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small tidbit:
Harry wrote:I think maybe I heard something about a generic lord/hero on a griffon that could 'pass' as Karl Franz if it had to. (But I can't remember where I heard that so I am not 100%)
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Post by: Vulcan
Why are people upset about the Brets being skipped?
Looking at the last few books, the very last thing I want to see is a new Bret book. They'll neuter the Virtues and the Treb, take away all the useful magic items, leave the 8 least useful and double the price on many of them, and probably not even give our Knights Devastating Charge.
Our book works just fine as it is and doesn't need any 'improvement' from GW.
Wood Elves, on the other hand...
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Post by: kenshin620
Vulcan wrote:Why are people upset about the Brets being skipped?
Looking at the last few books, the very last thing I want to see is a new Bret book. They'll neuter the Virtues and the Treb, take away all the useful magic items, leave the 8 least useful and double the price on many of them, and probably not even give our Knights Devastating Charge.
Our book works just fine as it is and doesn't need any 'improvement' from GW.
Wood Elves, on the other hand...
Umm because brets are old and could actually use an update compared to Dwarves, VC, and Empire? Just because some people have success with an army doesnt mean that they shouldnt get updated. Heck I know some WE players that still have a bit of luck with their army
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Post by: Nagashek
Orcs were certainly fine and needed a book far less than Brets and WE. Dwarves could use it too, but I'm REALLY worried about losing more than I gain. I really like the Rune system. I just want points tweaked.
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Post by: eledamris
At the moment, Dwarves are pretty[Mod Edit - Pick another word to use as an adjective. Thanks.] strong. I've never lost with mine. I'd say that Brets need a new book the most, followed by WE. They're not necessarily weak, but they're both two editions old, and we were all getting our hopes up now that the other two outdated armies have gotten updated (Ogres and TK).
To throw my two cents into the "leaving GW" debate, I'm not going to leave the game because of a failure to update my favorite codexes. I doubt I'll leave the game at all. What I will do, however, is start using some of the fantastic alternative models that other companies are putting out due to the ridiculous pricing that GW is sticking to.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I still don't know what to think of ghost21's rumours, but here they are:
Expect mini forces from various places.
I really shouldn't, but there is going to be mini armies like allies or something (not sure on exact wording).
There will be things like an Araby one and Kislev, also I heard Estalia, and oddly some insect kingdom
rodmillard wrote:Maybe I misread it, but I thought Ghost was talking about a separate allies book with rules for Araby, Kislev, Tilea and the "Insectoids" (sounds alot like what some fans have been suggesting for a DoW replacement). AFAIK it had nothing to do with the forthcoming Empire release except to say that Kislev won't be in there.
That's exactly what I meant
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It's an expansion book. I'm told it won't effect the releases of other armies
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Honestly you will see them in WD before book form
(...)
I think CHaos Dwarfs are a FW thing for now, sorry
There are 5 "states" in the book / supplement,
apparently 2 "good", 1 neutrall, and 2 "evil-ish"
and when you think of fishmen?... there are far more disturbing creatures in the sea than just fish... *cough ithilids cough *
But then Harry supports this rumour.
Nevermind, now it ddeserves its own thread.
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Post by: kenshin620
Kroothawk wrote:I
I really shouldn't, but there is going to be mini armies like allies or something (not sure on exact wording).
There will be things like an Araby one and Kislev, also I heard Estalia, and oddly some insect kingdom
Insects? Not fishmen?
I would like some Araby and Estalia stuff though!
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
Can't wait for new priests. Morr FTW.
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Post by: English Assassin
Since I trust plastic warrior priests will (like those plastic wizards) make nice bases for converting robed inquisitorial acolytes, neither can I.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Darnok over at Warseer posted this by an anonymous source:
I heard today that GW have supposedly already made a plastic treeman for the new Wood elves, but that VC, Empire, DE and Dwarfs will supposedly get new books before the WE's.
The treeman, however was said to be on the new monster base and about as tall as the Ogre Thundertusk's banner, and that it stylewise is more living brushwood-forest thingy than an actual anthromorphic tree. Anyway take with a grain of salt as always.
Harry wrote:Sounds about right.
There is a tree done.
WE are not coming any time soon.
My list of armies that come first is a bit different to that list ... but also quite similar.
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I am pretty sure I have the next several fantasy releases sorted.
Confirmed from multiple directions. (So not even a little bit rampant. )
WE and Bretonnians are NOT amongst them.
I have been trying to hint as much for many months now. (... actually well over a year since the wind changed).
I am not sticking my finger in the air and GW are not sticking to the previous release order any more.
You can not look at what happened last edition and predict what they will do next.
Stephanavich wrote:VC --> Empire --> *big gap for 40k* --> Dark Elves --> Dwarfs --> WoC --> Brets --> Woodies.
This is what I've heard the schedule up to christmas 2013, with Woodies ~November. Take with a bucket of salt. I heard the first 4 off one guy, and the next 3 off another. But the second guy seemed to think that inbetween all of these, some Tomb Kings, Beastmen, Lizardmen and a "new army" will get something (my guess is Hierotitan, Beastmen Rares, ??? and some contingent stuff)
ihavetoomuchminis wrote:Rosstifer wrote:Judging from the rumour tidbits in this thread and others, it will be Vampires, Empire, Warriors then Dwarves. With big kit's soon for Wood Elves and Beastmen. Ish.*
As a Beastmen/Vampire Count's/Warriors player, this is all good news for me.
* Disclaimer - I read things very quickly, so I could have this all wrong. Sorry to the rumour chappies if I do.
From the info me and others have, that's correct.
On a note aside, i'd like to say that i really think WE should be updated. Despite this, i can understand the reasons why it has not been done yet. The rumoured coming armies are more popular, so they make more money.
... and, on new plastic blisters:
Harry wrote:Evilgenius wrote:To the people that have seen the new WD. Are there any new plastic character blisters released this month that compliment this kit?
I really like the ones already released and am eager for more.
Well you are in luck then as there are (approx'  ) 18 more done.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Appreciate the info. It's a shame- I think the Wood Elves are pretty well in need of an update given what a large percentage of their book is substantially overpriced in 8th edition.
I *am* glad to see VC coming around soon, if only to hope that skeletons and some of the selections (other than ghouls and wights) become more palatable for competitive play. It'd be great to see a little more VC variety.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Personally, I think it's okay if Wood Elves have to wait a little longer for an update.
Not because I dislike Wood Elves, mind you. But because I'd rather see them done right instead of having a slapdash of special rules put up to make them work in the current edition.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Kanluwen wrote:Personally, I think it's okay if Wood Elves have to wait a little longer for an update.
Not because I dislike Wood Elves, mind you. But because I'd rather see them done right instead of having a slapdash of special rules put up to make them work in the current edition.
I couldn't agree more. My girlfriend plays them and really wants the update, but we'd both much rather see them come out with awesome new rules and models that make my jaw drop like Dark Eldar did.
I was quite surprised to see Dark Elves (apparently) in line for an update soon(ish), I really hope it's true that they are after Empire! If so, I'll continue not buying the book and just using one online. Should I do the same for Warriors, or is it far enough out that I should just go ahead and buy it? Oh, Warhammer, I love you, but as a college kid with a gakky job, I kind of hate loving you so much.
Edit: Maybe to keep Wood Elf players happy, they could release an update via White Dwarf with just point adjustments? I mean, I know this is complete wishlisting, but I really would like them to do that to hold players over until a proper update.
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Post by: Korraz
After some thinking, I've actually started to hope that WE get done in 9th... Worst case scenario would be WE getting an army book towards the end of 8th, getting "streamlined" into the 8th design philosophy and then having to wait until 11th to get redone right again, while everybody else gets his individuality back in 9th...
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Post by: RossDas
I'd really love for the Reiksguard heavy foot-soldier models to make a return; even in place of the Greatswords.
As for cavalry, an optional winged lancer/horse archer kit would go straight to the top of my wish list!
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Post by: aka_mythos
Kanluwen wrote:Personally, I think it's okay if Wood Elves have to wait a little longer for an update.
Not because I dislike Wood Elves, mind you. But because I'd rather see them done right instead of having a slapdash of special rules put up to make them work in the current edition.
Who knows with a Treeman done it could always be a random release by itself or accompany some WD article ruleset.
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Post by: Kroothawk
From Gabacho Mk.II, who is usually well informed:
Unless this has been given a reply-
Harry wrote:WE are not coming any time soon.
Satan wrote:Late 2012 or early 2013, right?
2013 Q3
[Unless, of course, the Bret/Wood Elf armybook is still going forward]
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Post by: Angron
During a gakky economy, GW has to increase revenue, so will release the more popular armies to stall a decline in sales. If you want Brets and WEs to come out, go spend more money at GW sp they can feel all warm and fuzzy and give you, what im sure they consider, charity. Until then, theyre not going to spend a lot of time and energy creating something that they will see measily returns on compared to their other goods.
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Post by: Nagashek
:pinches his nose, takes a deep breath, and begins calmly:
Has anyone paused to consider that Woodelves aren't popular BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AN EFFECTIVE ARMY FOR 3 *%&$ing EDITIONS?!?
Of course DE are popular! They were a power army in 7th!
Of course VC are popular! They were a power army in 7th!
Screw it! Let's just redo Skaven, Demons, and WoC while we're at it! I mean, Dwarves need the love, and I look forward to their release, but do you seriously mean to tell me that not just one, but TWO armies will have to wait for 10 years and potentially 3 editions before a redo? Now I know how Deldar players in 40k felt.
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Post by: RiTides
WE were Good in 7th edition, though! Not very top tier, but good, and I thought decently popular.
I'm not sure where the " WE aren't popular" idea comes from... from what I've seen, many people have WE armies, and just don't play them currently.
I don't mind the release schedule. Seeing VC come out would be great, Empire is fine, WoC because I play them assuming they don't make my army illeagal... Dwarfs could use some variety, and possibly DE, just to make the current powerbuilds change.
But neglecting WE and Brets... well, what to expect, right...
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Post by: Nagashek
WE were playable in 7th. Not good. Playable. Big difference. They could never pull off a win vs DE/VC/DoC, but had a reasonable chance at just about anything else. (IE you are an expert and your opponant is no better than "Average.")
The mass nerfing of the movement phase has really hit WE hard, and they rely on their tree spirits now more than ever.
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Post by: Lord Poison
even though I play empire I couldn't care less, except about the halflings!
I will make an army of them, new, if GW actually makes them again!
though GW has never brought back anything I liked or done anything to make me buy anything new in well 10 years, so I won't hold my breath
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Post by: RiTides
Well, I'd argue you on it Nagashek (or perhaps argue that almost no army could compete with the 3 you mention in 7th edition) but this isn't really the place for it... we can agree that tree spirits got better (I played all-tree-spirits in 7th, and it was not nearly as convincing as it is in 8th!) and that WE movement advantages have been nerfed hard in 8th...
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Post by: Nagashek
I believe we can remain amicable on those points indeed sir! Though I am not certain what you mean by your first point, but I did not mean to imply that NO army could stand against those three, only that WE couldn't. Well, unless played flawlessly against a neophyte, that is...
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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:The new plastic empire hero on griffon is also supposed to be very nice
ihavetoomuchminis wrote:This comes along with the empire release, and it's supposed to be Karl Franz/heore on griffon. Not bretonnia.
Harry wrote:Interesting development.
The first time we have seen a special, named character in a plastic kit.
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Post by: tarnish
to be fair woodelfs and brets would need a lot of love to sell even remotely well. they are the bastard children of fantasy along with beastmen....
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Post by: Kanluwen
tarnish wrote:to be fair woodelfs and brets would need a lot of love to sell even remotely well. they are the bastard children of fantasy along with beastmen....
They also need a lot of work to be properly effective, if that makes sense.
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Post by: Kroothawk
NatTreehouse wrote:I just got told in this release:
Dual kit makes Warshrine/College of Magic Wizardlordmobile.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Some new tidbits about upcoming Fantasy releases other than Empire, still a bit speculative and not by the core rumour mongers:
meltedwing wrote:I was informed recently that one of the three army books that are "pretty much done and ready to go" is the Bretonnia book.
I was told the third book is Dwarves. I have nothing on release dates or anything beyond which books they are.
(...)
I think that's pretty evident by the fact that they have three books that are "pretty much done and ready to go". They are definitely not going to release all three at once.
Kyte wrote:I am pretty certain that the next book will be Empire, then WoC in autumn and then Dwarfs by christmas or early '13.
Heard no mention of Bretts, but I heard that plastics for DE, WE and Skaven have been in the works for a while.
phantomtie wrote:I have empire first dwarfs 2nd dark elves 3rd and WOC 4th and that's all I have for the year but harry is the expert.
theDarkGeneral wrote:With the Daemons to be redone sometime next year (2013) for both 40K and Fantasy, we'll see the new Greater Daemon models then.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
Kanluwen wrote:tarnish wrote:to be fair woodelfs and brets would need a lot of love to sell even remotely well. they are the bastard children of fantasy along with beastmen....
They also need a lot of work to be properly effective, if that makes sense.
They mostly just need a points cost hike, along with some special rules for Wood Elves to let them remain a mostly skirmisher army.
Brets just needs that points cost hike. Maybe some new special rules, and some better grail knights.
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Post by: Dysartes
Kroot, please tell me they're wrong about a new Dwarf book!
I don't want to see it until we hit 9th, where maybe the designers will have lost their magic item allergy.
Think of the runes, man, think of the runes!
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Post by: Experiment 626
Dysartes wrote:Kroot, please tell me they're wrong about a new Dwarf book!
I don't want to see it until we hit 9th, where maybe the designers will have lost their magic item allergy.
Think of the runes, man, think of the runes!
VC's kept our powers, and we basically went from our old list of 18 total powers to 14 new ones. Plus, of the 4 powers we 'lost' in the transition, 2 of those were the 'Master' power which allowed you to raise skellies & ghouls beyond starting size. The other two we 'lost' were the 'make your vamp ethereal' power and the moronic 'heres a more expensive Lv2 wizard upgrade!' powers. (basically, we lost 4 powers we knew well ahead of time would be going anyways so it's no real shock/loss!)
And of those powers we 'lost', well, we can give upto 1 necromancer the skellie-boosting ability and we can outright buy proper wizard level upgrades.
I can see GW scaling back in the number of runes overall, but you'll likely lose stuff that either doesn't gel with 8th, and/or get various minor effects lumped into a stronger rune.
And I honestly can't see GW doing away runes and forcing dwarfs into magic items. That would be a gakstorm on the level of what 7th ed Daemons caused!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Dysartes wrote:Kroot, please tell me they're wrong about a new Dwarf book!
Personally I expect Empire and WoC this year and Dark Elves 1st half next year. That would mean you are safe for another 15 months at least. A Dwarf miniature release without army book could happen though.
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Post by: Cyrax
From the Beasts of War
beerogre wrote:That’s right guys, all you WHFB Empire players will be stoked to know that the next army update will belong to you!
The next White Dwarf has a new Karl Franz model and a Empire Wizard mounted on a two-headed griffon.
There’s a War Altar and new knightly orders too… does that make you go weak at the knees?
What do you think?
UPDATE: We’re hearing that an Glass Lens Weapon (Ala Archimedes) is on the cards as well. – If so will this include some kind of clear perspex component like in the Necron kits?
http://www.beastsofwar.com/groups/warhammer-fantasy/forum/topic/empire-army-update-immanent-have-your-say/
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Post by: Flashman
Two headed griffon? Rolls eyes.
Fantasy has got very silly over the last year.
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Post by: ph34r
Flashman wrote:Two headed griffon? Rolls eyes.
Fantasy has got very silly over the last year.
Fantasy has always been pretty silly. Things got a bit more standardized in 5th-6th I feel like, but crazy has been on the resurgence and I'm alright with that.
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Post by: Kroothawk
75hastings69 wrote:Empire book is Mr Cruddace not Jervis as some have suggested
Cruddace also did the Tomb Kings book, the Codex IG and Codex Tyranids.
Pics will come with WD next week.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Wait...
Cruddace is doing Empire?
Well...consider my interest just having taken a shot to the head. I'll give it a glance, maybe snag a few of the new kits--but unless Cruddace has been given a lesson in game balancing I'll keep Vampires as my primary interest for now, thankyouverymuch.
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Post by: kenshin620
Kroothawk wrote:75hastings69 wrote:Empire book is Mr Cruddace not Jervis as some have suggested
Cruddace also did the Tomb Kings book, the Codex IG and Codex Tyranids.
Pics will come with WD next week.
Hmm Tomb Kings are quite decent in 8th. I'll expect the "mid tier-ness" the recent 8th books have.
Time to prepare to love/hate next week
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Post by: Kroothawk
Not if Cruddace gets his Imperial rage and allows squads of 3 steam tanks
Anyway:
75hastings69 wrote:There are actually 3 war altars in the book
2 in rare 1 as a mount
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I for one will say I'm looking forward to this release more than most as my ostlanders have sat unfinished since the TOFP around 5 years ago! Hopefully the update will be enough to motivate me a little.
(...)
can i add that there is no war wagon in the book...... also that a certain pastry goods adoring chap will be pleased he painted up his reiksguard knights
also sadly for my savoury loving friend there are no halflings either
Posted by Darnok by an anonymous source:
Just a quick one I can confirm rumours for empire after speaking with the rep today releasing 7 April.
Demigryph Knights - 3 per box
War Alter
Lord on Griffon - Plastic
???
Single Hero Sprues of Mage? and Empire Captain
Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages and warrior priests.
On release all units and options will be available from the release date.
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Post by: kitch102
There's your confirmation then!
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Post by: Flashman
Another dynamic and exciting GW product teaser there...
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Post by: Ozymandias
ZebioLizard2 wrote:Kanluwen wrote:tarnish wrote:to be fair woodelfs and brets would need a lot of love to sell even remotely well. they are the bastard children of fantasy along with beastmen....
They also need a lot of work to be properly effective, if that makes sense.
They mostly just need a points cost hike, along with some special rules for Wood Elves to let them remain a mostly skirmisher army.
Brets just needs that points cost hike. Maybe some new special rules, and some better grail knights.
I'm assuming by points cost hike you really mean points cost reduction? Woodies are already incredibly overcosted by today's books standards (12 points for a T3 spearman, really?).
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Post by: Manchu
Photo is broken for me, can someone rehost?
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Post by: pretre
Manchu wrote:Photo is broken for me, can someone rehost?
Just for you...
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Post by: Kanluwen
So now we have rumormongers digging through the GW garbage...
Glorious!
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Post by: Manchu
Thanks very much, pretre.
Empire Gryphon Frame 2? Does "frame" mean sprue?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Indeed it does.
Most likely; all this does is confirm that we're getting a plastic Gryphon kit.
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Post by: Manchu
That's pretty exciting however considering the Island of Blood Elf griffon.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Oh it certainly is exciting; no doubt.
But it just means that we will see a big ol' plastic character kit for Empire as that has been the trend lately.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Manchu wrote:That's pretty exciting however considering the Island of Blood Elf griffon.
It really is. Here's hoping it looks even half as good. Myself, I'm hoping for a near direct translation of the metal 6th ed Griffon.
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Post by: Dez
I liked that trailer. I actually had a moment where I considered an Empire army, then the thought was immediately beaten to submissions by the thousands of ideas that were waiting before it.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kroothawk wrote:Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages...
Uhh... supurfluous much?
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Post by: ph34r
According to the internet,
6 Plastic kits:
Karl Franz on Death Claw 1 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Empire Celestial Hurricanium/Luminark of Hish 1 fig. plastic 39 EUR (2 Rare slot magic platforms)
Empire Demigryph Knights 3 fig. plastic 43 EUR
Captain plastic 1 fig. 10,5 EU
Engineer plastic 10,5 EUR
Volkar on war altar plastic 1 fig 39 EUR
Finecast:
Witch hunter 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Markus Wolfhart 1 fig resin 13 EUR
Empire amber wizard 1 fig resin splash release 13 EUR
Warrior priest 1 fig resin 13 eur
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Post by: Platuan4th
ph34r wrote:
Finecast:
Witch hunter 1 fig resin 13 EUR
S***. Looks like I traded off my Empire prematurely.
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Post by: Cyrax
Yet no news of the new Nuln cannon.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
>witch hunter
Do want.
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Post by: kenshin620
Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)
I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything
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Post by: Experiment 626
kenshin620 wrote:Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)
I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
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Post by: kenshin620
Experiment 626 wrote:
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
What if I play Dwarves!
But seriously, I hope theres some merit to having a general or a order grand master. Maybe some tactical flexibility or something
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Post by: Dysartes
kenshin620 wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
What if I play Dwarves!
Y'know, that was exactly what I was thinking when I clicked to go on to page 5...
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Post by: Ehsteve
It's strange not seeing pictures up already given the WD is only being released on Saturday.
Hope all goes well with the demigryph knights, as in not another Sepulchral Stalkers syndrome of being too expensive both in cash and points and not being able to make up for it. Sold on the idea, but the models have to seal the deal.
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Post by: Cryonicleech
Cruddace? CRUDDACE?
NOT AFTER WHAT HE DID TO TOMB KINGS AND TYRANIDS!!!
Meh, here's to hoping that the book is still solidly competitive.
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Post by: BorderCountess
Experiment 626 wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)
I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
There's no reason you can't currently take a Wizard Lord and a General of the Empire at the same time - they're cheap enough.
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Post by: TheMind
ANOTHER fantasy update? Where's my 40k at? Where's my Tau at?
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Post by: Platuan4th
TheMind wrote:ANOTHER fantasy update? Where's my 40k at? Where's my Tau at?
Your 40K was in November. And March, it just wasn't a book.
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Post by: TheMind
Platuan4th wrote:TheMind wrote:ANOTHER fantasy update? Where's my 40k at? Where's my Tau at?
Your 40K was in November.
And March.
Sage voice: I don't count a second wave that's over 2 years overdue as an update.
But seriously, where's the next codex? Or are they just done until 6th ed comes out?
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Post by: -Loki-
ph34r wrote:According to the internet, Empire Celestial Hurricanium
Hurricanium? Definitely a Cruddace book.
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Post by: Aerethan
TheMind wrote:Platuan4th wrote:TheMind wrote:ANOTHER fantasy update? Where's my 40k at? Where's my Tau at?
Your 40K was in November.
And March.
Sage voice: I don't count a second wave that's over 2 years overdue as an update.
But seriously, where's the next codex? Or are they just done until 6th ed comes out?
40k gets an entire edition update this year and they are whining about releases? You get DA and CSM this year. Fantasy needs the love! Besides, afaik there will only be 3 fantasy releases this year: VC, Empire and WoC. for 40k it's 6th ed., DA and CSM. So it's about even.
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Post by: kenshin620
Manfred von Drakken wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)
I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
There's no reason you can't currently take a Wizard Lord and a General of the Empire at the same time - they're cheap enough.
Thats not what the problem is
The problem is currently, there is NO reason tactically wise to bring a general (or grandmaster) in an army. Arch lectors bring in magic defense and a wizard lord is a lvl 3-4 wizard with one of 8 of the lores. Generals and Grandmasters can only be combat characters, poor ones at that
Also how come EVERY release topic always has someone on the other side saying "What? Game Y is getting updated? Wheres my game X update!" 
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Post by: manoknok
That is a terrible voice over on the video.
And no mention of halflings! Bah
According to video release date is 31st of March....
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Post by: kenshin620
manoknok wrote:That is a terrible voice over on the video.
And no mention of halflings! Bah
According to video release date is 31st of March....
31st is when WD is out. It it will feature the new Empire as the focus
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Post by: BorderCountess
kenshin620 wrote:Manfred von Drakken wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Well alright looks like these guys are almost ready to go. Be interesting to see how the army goes and if the usual build of big blocks of infantry with cannons everywhere will change (I doubt it, but Demigriffs might be a good choice for support)
I hope Lords other than Arch Lectors/Wizard Lords are worth anything
It's 8th edition. Internet "wisdom" decrees that when possible, you must always include a Lv4 wizard or you're doing it wrong!
There's no reason you can't currently take a Wizard Lord and a General of the Empire at the same time - they're cheap enough.
Thats not what the problem is
The problem is currently, there is NO reason tactically wise to bring a general (or grandmaster) in an army. Arch lectors bring in magic defense and a wizard lord is a lvl 3-4 wizard with one of 8 of the lores. Generals and Grandmasters can only be combat characters, poor ones at that
Sure there is: Generals are cheaper by 45 points, and one unit of State Troops can take a magic banner. Arch Lectors are only taken if you intend to bring the War Altar, which saves another 100. Generals are value Lords, who are there for the sole purpose of getting Leadership 9. And it doesn't matter if they're not good at combat: their job isn't to kill things, it's simply to not die.
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Post by: Griever
Wow that video is of awful quality. Like it was made by some random high school kid messing around with Windows Movie Maker.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
Hopefully the flying Gryphon knights aren't true, god knows Bret still needs something to itself that's unique.
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Post by: kenshin620
ZebioLizard2 wrote:Hopefully the flying Gryphon knights aren't true, god knows Bret still needs something to itself that's unique.
I think the Gryph Knights arent flying
They're Demigryphs
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
H.B.M.C. wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages...
Uhh... supurfluous much?
I only play 40K and still know that there are 8 schools of Empire wizards, while that kit makes 4 of them. Pretty sure there is still room for the other four schools of wizards. The Wizard kit does make good Inquisition henchmen, as a side note.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
I think the Gryph Knights arent flying
They're Demigryphs
Oh, interesting to say the least than.
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Post by: Aerethan
MajorWesJanson wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Finecast - Lots of goodies including order specific mages...
Uhh... supurfluous much?
I only play 40K and still know that there are 8 schools of Empire wizards, while that kit makes 4 of them. Pretty sure there is still room for the other four schools of wizards. The Wizard kit does make good Inquisition henchmen, as a side note.
It can make: Metal, Fire, Heavens, Death/Shadow, Life, Light and arguably Beasts depending on how you model it. That is 8 by my count. You have to realize that things like the Scythe can be used for several lores.
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Post by: ph34r
MajorWesJanson wrote:I only play 40K and still know that there are 8 schools of Empire wizards, while that kit makes 4 of them. Pretty sure there is still room for the other four schools of wizards. The Wizard kit does make good Inquisition henchmen, as a side note.
Hm, judging by the pictures that kit makes Death, Heavens, Metal, Light, and Fire at the least. I'm not 100% sure on what shadow school mages are supposed to look like. The current kit might leave out the lore of beasts and life, which might be what the rumored wizard kits are?
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Post by: Kanluwen
The "Grey Wizards", if the artwork from the "Heraldry and Uniforms of the Empire" is reliable, look a lot like how Gandalf was portrayed in the Lord of the Rings movies.
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Post by: nels1031
Hoping Ulric has a bigger role in the Empire army.
I already have a vision of Inner Circle White Wolf Knights riding Thunderwolves in place of the Demigryph things. Might get started this weekend.
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Post by: reds8n
more from 'seer, shouts out to Mr.( I assume, apologies otherwise) Estel
Empire Army Book (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• 96p Full colour, Hardback Army Book.
• Essential guide to the Empire army including background, new rules, Army List, artwork and miniature gallery.
• Every Character and Unit in the Army Book is available to buy!
• Contains rules for brand new ‘never seen before’ miniatures.
Plastic Kits
Karl Franz on Deathclaw (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one of THREE different models; Karl Franz on Deathclaw, Empire General on Griffon or Amber Wizard Lord on Griffon.
• Assembled kit is huge- 6” high and 9” wide.
• A centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• Kit contains lots of extra pieces i.e. Multiple Chest plates and heads for the Griffon and more.
Empire Celestial Hurricanum / Luminark of Hysh (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes one of Two different models; or the.
o The Celestial Hurricanum: A rare choice for the Empire Army or a mount for a Celestial Battle Wizard Lord.
o Enhances the armies fighting abilities, spell casting and can create enchanted storms!
Or
o Luminark of Hysh: A rare choice for the Empire Army or a mount for a Light Battle Wizard Lord.
o Creates a magical enchantment that protects nearby troops and helps disrupt enemy spell casting and can fire deadly beam of light at the enemy!
• A centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• Each kit contains lots of extra parts e.g. Light and Celestial Battle Wizard lords, Acolytes etc.
Volkmar the Grim on The War Altar of Sigmar (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains a multipart plastic kit that constructs the mighty War Altar of Sigmar.
• Standing 7” high it is a centerpiece kit that will appeal to both gamers and modelers/painters alike.
• The War Altar is a Lord choice as it can be a mount for either Volkmar or an Arch Lector.
Empire Demigryph Knights (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• This box contains enough multipart plastic pieces to assemble three Demigryph Knights- Elite Monstrous Cavalry that are a Special choice in the Empire Army Book.
• The kit allows you to model the rank and file Inner Circle Knights or a full command group or a mixture of both.
• The kit allows them to take lances or a cavalry Halberd.
Empire Master Engineer (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• Plastic Frame Clampack that contains one Master Engineer.
• The Master Engineer is a Hero Choice in the army.
• The Master Engineer is easy to assemble and can be assembled in different ways.
Captain of the Empire (ideal Premium/Hobby Account new release product) - Released 7th April
• Plastic Frame Clampack that contains one Captain of the Empire.
• The Captain of the Empire is a Hero Choice in the army.
• The Captain of the Empire is easy to assemble and comes with 2 heads to choose from.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Sooo... no new knights, then? Bugger.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Going give the book a good read through but if anyone is interested in starting empire you may want ot hit me up
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Post by: Scottywan82
Awesome! Sounds like some very sexy plastic kits, and YAYYAYYAY about plastic clampack heroes and such.
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Post by: praetor24
And the first pics from Anardakil in Warseer.
and
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Post by: Scottywan82
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Post by: reds8n
work blocked ho !
Also, good GOD is that a huge Griffon.
Demigryphs look terrible.
Double agree.
Rough job mucking out Deathclaw eh ?
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Bring me..... A change of pants
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Post by: Scottywan82
I do think Karl Franz looks cool. Even if he's riding 'Roid-Claw the Griffon.
EDIT:
Ah ha! The Griffon is just a reverse T-Rex! Giant arms, tiny head.
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Post by: Kanluwen
On the contrary, I think the Demigryphs look great! They'll look nice with Theodore Bruckner and Reaper. The paint job is...an odd, odd, odd choice especially given the "leering" faces on the front of the Demigryphon's barding. They look like Khorne devotees.
It's good to see a Dave Thomas sculpt! Like the Witch Hunter; it's going to be a very interesting choice within the book, I think.
Markus Wulfhart is quite neat, and I can see myself picking him up as I like having Archers/Huntsmen in my Empire army.
The Luminark of Hysh is a "Bwuh?!".
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Post by: Beer_&_Bolters
Oh wow, some of that stuff is looking pretty cool. totally digging the war alter varients, even the crazy laser lookin thing.
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Post by: Tronbot2600
Ugg, none of those models do anything for me. Bummer.
Oh well, I'll pick up the book when it comes out. Kinda excited to dust off my old empire army.
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Post by: biccat
Well, at least the Demigryphs look nice.
The rest is more OTT ridiculousness that has characterized Fantasy for the last few releases (looking at you Vampire Counts). I was hoping Empire could avoid it.
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Post by: deejaybainbridge
These teaser videos are pretty pointless.
Sure they get worse each time.
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Post by: Dysartes
OK, how the heck is Karl Franz ever hitting anyone around Deathclaw (or whatever his griffon is called)?
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Dysartes wrote:OK, how the heck is Karl Franz ever hitting anyone around Deathclaw (or whatever his griffon is called)?
He doesn't have to, he's riding a beast the size of a large house. The same applies to most monster-riding characters. Seriously, dude, you're riding a dragon, there's absolutely no point in waving a damn lance around, it's really not adding anything to the equation.
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Post by: bubber
I think the griffin needs to go on a diet....
The knights look cool but not blown away by anything else here - luckily I don't play Empire.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I like the Demi-Gryph Knights. And I'm probably in the minority in that I like the roided out Griffins. I always preferred the beefier monsters anyway and I think they look sweet. Not a fan of anything other than the war altar and even that is a stretch.
Might use the Demi-Gryphs as mounts for my TWC counts as army since it doesn't look like I'm getting a plastic steam horse
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Post by: warpcrafter
Am I the only one who has a problem with those enormous carts being pulled by only two horses? And by the way, does this mean the Empire now has a freakin' layzer?
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Post by: Platuan4th
I'm now totally over my rage about the Witch Hunter being in Finecast as he doesn't really fit in with previous Fantasy Witch Hunter stylings.
Now that I know he's not a revamp of the totally awesome WH Quest model, I know he's a 100% pass.
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Post by: Dorksim
I wonder if the Demi Knights will fit over the horses on the pull cart models. Now that we know for certain that there are no new knights coming, it might be a decent substitute despite the akward poses of the horses.
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Post by: Zarren Wevon
WOW The studio paint jobs on the griffon are some of the most beautiful work I've ever seen out of the 'eavy Metal studios.
Thinking about possibly picking up a griffon to paint even though I'm not a giant fan of The Empire's moar skullz aesthetic. I'm super impressed!
On the topic of moar skullz, does anyone else feel like this new Empire line is a lot more reserved and subtle than what might have been portended by the plastic Empire terrain kits?
I'm fairly certain this is a win for the GW modeling team.
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Post by: scarletsquig
It all looks great, IMO and I've been playing Empire for over a decade.
Particularly like the Luminark and Demigryph Knights.
The Luminark is a really nice "wacky but still fantasy" concept, much better than the 7th edition releases with the Necron horse and space marine servo-cherub. I can buy that a series of mirrors amplifying the input of a light wizard could result in some sort of crazy pseudo-laser.
I really don't have a problem with the horses either, look fine to me. Were people expecting some kind of mega-uber magic 'roid horsie to go with their mega uber awesome man dollies or something? It's a freaking horse people, it eats hay and licks salt. There's only so much you can do with it.
Demigryphs are a *much* better way to do monstrous cavalry rather than putting the damned things on chariot bases all the time and having them be unreasonably colossal. They're restrained sculpts, but that's fine. Not everything has to be the size of a small house for it to look good.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
Demigryph knights are good.
Griffon is bizarre.
The main body of the three chariotwagons is comparatively tiny.
Witch Hunter is pretty cool, but not Age of Legends enough.
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Post by: SetheloniusBunk
Please don't spam the forum. Thanks. ~Manchu
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm not sure why people dislike the Witch Hunter.
Y'know, I just thought of something.
I wonder if Karl Franz on Deathclaw will have parts to make a foot lord as well?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Poor Volkmar: Clubbed to death by a griffon statue
BTW added the pics and new rumour to first post. Witchhunter entry confirms that he is in the army book now.
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Post by: Warrior Squirrel
Karl Franz is now more badass then the Emperor. To me sons of Sigmar, for the Empire!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:I'm not sure why people dislike the Witch Hunter.
For me, it's cause he doesn't look like a Witch Hunter, he looks like an Empire Captain wearing a heavy coat.
None of the traditional Warhammer Witch Hunter accoutrements are there other than the stakes: no gorget, no holy water, no Puritan style jacket, no holy symbol.
He just doesn't LOOK like a Witch Hunter, he looks like any other Empire character that happens to be fighting Vampires in the rain.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I like the Witchhunter... it moves away from the pilgrim, puritain look and makes him look like he belongs in the Empire.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Mythos hit the nail on the head for me.
The pilgrim/Puritan look works for the Mordheim Witch Hunter models, but I personally think it would look a bit off for one meant to be in the army.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Witch Hunters aren't part of the army, though, they're part of the church.
Warrior Priests don't wear the standard Empire uniform, either, they wear the uniform of the church. I'd have problems with Warrior Priests suddenly wearing the standard army uniform, too.
And the same goes for Wizards.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Witch Hunters don't really have a "uniform" though, do they? Warrior Priests, while not wearing the "standard Empire uniform" do have several elements which are usually able to be worked in(their breastplates, for example).
From what I've seen the Witch Hunters are very similar to the Inquisition in 40k; in that they try to "blend in" where they are, and they're highly individualistic. I think that no matter how they portrayed a Witch Hunter, someone would think that he doesn't "look right".
Edit note:
Not saying "You're wrong for not liking it!" or anything of that nature Platuan4th. I certainly understand not liking a model because it doesn't fit your vision of a concept!
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Post by: Flashman
Hmm... not as OTT as some of the VC stuff and I kind of like that the griffon is more solid looking than the HE version. Even the Demigryphs don't offend my eyes as much as I feared, but...
...I still prefer my fantasy not quite so fantastic
EDIT - Single Plastic Characters are pretty good too.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:Witch Hunters don't really have a "uniform" though, do they? Warrior Priests, while not wearing the "standard Empire uniform" do have several elements which are usually able to be worked in(their breastplates, for example).
From what I've seen the Witch Hunters are very similar to the Inquisition in 40k; in that they try to "blend in" where they are, and they're highly individualistic. I think that no matter how they portrayed a Witch Hunter, someone would think that he doesn't "look right".
Edit note:
Not saying "You're wrong for not liking it!" or anything of that nature Platuan4th. I certainly understand not liking a model because it doesn't fit your vision of a concept!
Oh, I know you weren't saying that. Just saddened that they're standardizing them to fit into the visual in the army, they won't really stand out much. Especially since many Witch Hunters in the fluff and novels want to stand out to inspire fear in the populace. The average Empire citizen is terrified of the Templars of Sigmar, or rather terrified of what they'll do and of being accused of something whenever they appear.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Well I just hope judging how big the griffon is that we can now air-drop steamtanks....
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I am disappointed that instead of a staple unit, knights on horseback, which is badly in need of revamping to look presentable, we're getting a monstrous cavalry unit that doesn't seem to fill any particular niche the Empire needed filling, and indeed goes a little way towards homogenizing armies a bit more (at least the Empire MCav does not fly, so there's at least the excuse of a difference there compared to Bretonnia's monster-mounted knights unit). I'm a bit tired of mages and their endless contrived mage-mounts as well. Why not beef up something truly original instead, give us a new Engineer war machine or even the old War Wagon back.
Oh well. At least the griffon looks better than the old one (although I suppose Karl Franz will lose his access to the Imperial Dragon now since Deathclaw is huuuge) and the War Altar is perfectly adequate for its purpose.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Dang! That's my favorite cover of the 8th edition books. Waaaaay better than VC.
Loving the new models too!
I suppose Karl Franz will lose his access to the Imperial Dragon now since Deathclaw is huuuge
Presumably Deathclaw *ate* the Imperial Dragon, judging by the size of him...
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Post by: Flashman
Agamemnon2 wrote:I am disappointed that instead of a staple unit, knights on horseback, which is badly in need of revamping to look presentable, we're getting a monstrous cavalry unit that doesn't seem to fill any particular niche the Empire needed filling, and indeed goes a little way towards homogenizing armies a bit more
This.
The different factions are beginning to look more and more similar. I accept that each race still has different profiles, but for me this is about the only thing that sets them apart now.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Flashman wrote:This.
The different factions are beginning to look more and more similar. I accept that each race still has different profiles, but for me this is about the only thing that sets them apart now.
In that respect, the potential future Dwarf and Bretonnian army books will be interesting. Since dwarves don't have magic or monstrous mounts, and Bretonnians are almost as light on the high-fantasy stuff, I wonder and dread what the current paradigm would do to them.I guess dwarves would get some kind of steam-powered vehicle and a new large war machine, and so on
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Post by: Platuan4th
Agamemnon2 wrote:I guess dwarves would get some kind of steam-powered vehicle and a new large war machine, and so on
Which just wouldn't sit right, since the Engineering guild dislikes new things that haven't proven themselves over a century of testing. Unless it was a train, cause they apparently have those.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
I heard a rumor about dwarf golem creatures.... But lets hope not
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Post by: Kanluwen
Didn't we have this same line of discussion when the Vampire Counts book was coming out?
For my own part:
I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing that Warhammer Fantasy is becoming a bit more "fantastic". I like the addition of things like Demigryph Knights, Crypt Horrors/Vargheists, the Ogre Kingdoms big mammoth guys, and the Tomb Kings stuff.
Is some of it over the top? Oh gods yes. But I'd rather they actively add stuff--even if I'm just going to ignore it!--than if they were to remove stuff.
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Post by: MajorTom11
As a painter and modeller, I think the latest releases are pretty stunning... good on ya GW!
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Post by: Da Boss
I'm alright with the new Empire stuff- it actually helps me maintain "suspension of disbelief" in the game world. I mean, if the Empire was in a world where there are all sorts of monsters that they COULD domesticate, and they weren't doing it, there's no way they'd survive as a culture. Similarly, if magic exists then they should be taking every advantage they can. So on that front, I think the Demigryph knights are kinda cool. What I don't like though is the Wizard platforms. In concept they are okay, but the execution is sorely lacking for me.
I do like the amber wizard model quite a lot though. And Mr Beefy Griffon isn't bad either.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Digging the beefcake griffon myself, two-headed and all. But then again, I a) like griffons anyway; and b) am not playing Empire Can't fathom how they make a griffon viable in game, unless it has over 6 wounds or some ultra-fantastical ward save. No idea how it's supposed to be blamf in combat either - griffons have more or less been the most mediocre medium monster mount of a rather mediocre class of medium monsters. - Salvage
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Post by: kronk
I don't play Warhammer Fantasy, but I'll use some of these for D&D.
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Post by: Alpharius
I have to admit - I love most of it!
Even the ridiculous over the top gigantic new Deathclaw.
And the two-headed version?!?
Wow!
Over the top?
Yes.
Awesome?
Hell yes!
Now I can only wonder about the costs to get all of this new stuff...
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Post by: AlexHolker
Neither the griffin or the hippogryphs are helped by the forced head-up pose. I would have given the griffin a larger head (even if that means abandoning the two-headed griffin concept) and replaced the hippogryphs with something else. Leotau, chocobos, I don't know, something that looks better than a horse with its extremities replaced with those of a bird.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Note: These are just guesses, based off the price bands that similar stuff is already in.
Deathclaw is most likely going to be around $55 or so(the listing in WD has him at 43 Euros--the Vampire Counts Lord on Zombie Dragon is 47,50 Euros).
Demigryph Knights are coming 3/box like the Necropolis Knights/Tomb Stalkers; and if I had to hazard a guess the price will be similar($54.50).
Plastic characters will likely be $13.50/each, Finecast characters will likely range from $15.25 to $18.25/each.
The wagon will probably be $57.75ish.
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Post by: Dysartes
Warrior Squirrel wrote:Karl Franz is now more badass then the Emperor. To me sons of Sigmar, for the Empire!
Pssst... Karl Franz is the Emperor...
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
Dysartes wrote:Warrior Squirrel wrote:Karl Franz is now more badass then the Emperor. To me sons of Sigmar, for the Empire!
Pssst... Karl Franz is the Emperor...
Hahaha take that 40k players!
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Post by: angelshade00
Johnny-Crass wrote:Dysartes wrote:Warrior Squirrel wrote:Karl Franz is now more badass then the Emperor. To me sons of Sigmar, for the Empire!
Pssst... Karl Franz is the Emperor...
Hahaha take that 40k players!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The griffin is absolutely terrible with that huge inflated chest.
The cav is kinda boring and just a smaller version of the same thing (makes me wonder if Brets will just get a giant Pegasus)
The wagon is sweet, I like all 3 versions, especially the orrery.
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Post by: angelshade00
lord_blackfang wrote:
The cav is kinda boring and just a smaller version of the same thing (makes me wonder if Brets will just get a giant Pegasus)
Yes, I half expect to see an Arachnarok sized pegasus...
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Its all generally nice, I like the Griffon, and the wagons are neat, although Volkmar's looks the weakest of the three builds.
It was also what I was expecting, monsters, new must have unit, and other big kits.
It seems all fantasy is going like this soon, endless armies of wizards, a few monsters/War machines and horde infantry units.
It was the final nail in the coffin for me pulling out of it at the moment. I still love the setting, but I am not a fan of what the game has become just to sell the kits.
I wish they had done an Apocalypse style fantasy expansion for all this stuff, instead of insisting on ramping up all the actual armies with loads of bigger and badder things each time.
Its getting to the point, the armies look like they are taking turns pulling bigger weapons out of the bag as they face eachother, like a tom and jerry cartoon.
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Post by: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly
Interesting to see the trend of 'bigger and more extreme' continuing with fantasy models. On the one hand, I think it suits the background and idea of monsters like griffons to actually be huge and imposing. On the other, the multi-topped war machine is pretty forced in. And I agree with some other posters, new knights would have been much cooler than a monstrous cavalry option.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Alpharius wrote:Now I can only wonder about the costs to get all of this new stuff...
LGS owner sent around a shot of the GW spreadsheet for first week of April:
- Salvage
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Post by: Scottywan82
REALLY? Great Wolf Transfers? Damn, wish I'd had those when I was doing Space Wolves.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Whoa.
What the hell is with all those Chapter transfers?!
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Post by: Scottywan82
GW's braincells found one another! ...For a minute.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I like that they're boxing Valten as one big ol' thing, and I like that I was fairly close on most of the pricing...utterly wrong on the wagons though.
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Post by: Flashman
Oooh, Mentor Legion. I was just pondering which chapter to paint the tactical squad I'm currently making...
And is that the return of the Hot Pot Catapult? I thought halflings weren't making an appearance?
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Post by: biccat
$50 for the Empire Whatsicanum or Thingaminark isn't as terrible as it could've been. But 3 demigryph knights for $55 is outrageous.
Certainly disappointing that the Knights are simply being repackaged.
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Post by: Kanluwen
biccat wrote:$50 for the Empire Whatsicanum or Thingaminark isn't as terrible as it could've been. But 3 demigryph knights for $55 is outrageous.
3 for $55 is outrageous/a decent deal depending on how big they are.
Reaper and Bruckner are pretty dang big. If they're on chariot bases, I'd say it's not too bad.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
biccat wrote:Certainly disappointing that the Knights are simply being repackaged.
Aye, reminds me of the simple re-release of the TK skeletons when the new book hit, without sexy new sculpts to replace the decade(s) old ones. Certainly a bad move for TK as a whole, will have to see how vital knights are to Empire I guess.
- Salvage
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Post by: Experiment 626
The Luminark of Hysh... Why oh why GW did you have to release something like that?!
Now all I can think about is converting it so that it's a psychotic clown-villan and his 'light of judgement' coming to burn down anyone who speaks out against his new world order. (with 3 statues of magical goddesses along for the ride!)
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Post by: Kroothawk
1.) Guess we will see the first painting guide using the new colours. Guess these models are painted with those.
2.) Weird that Volkmar is not included in the wizard-mobile kit, as he uses the same wagon with only minor changes.
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Post by: Dysartes
Kroothawk wrote:2.) Weird that Volkmar is not included in the wizard-mobile kit, as he uses the same wagon with only minor changes.
Maybe the chassis + horses is one sprue, with the War Altar as one topping sprue, and the laser/planetarium as another.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
The griffon is seriously disapointing. Guess it is time to get one of the Blood Island ones and convert.
The Demi-griffs need to be seen more closely, but I do not think that I need them. Plastic characters... maybe.
As for what they could produce without resorting to monsters and ever bigger weird items, why not more troop types?
E.G. Reiksguard box. Horse archers. Kislev winged knights. Resculpted knights. Resculpted broom pushers. Halfling regiment. Pike regiment. Regional regiments.
The Empire in particular has a ton of previous units that could have made a return, and the same approach could work for other armies as well.
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Post by: ghosty
Wow, the Gryphon head looks tiny. And I have this sneaking feeling that it'll probably work out cheaper to buy 3 island of blood gryphons for the same price as a trio of demigryphs.
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Post by: catharsix
Alpharius wrote:I have to admit - I love most of it!
Even the ridiculous over the top gigantic new Deathclaw.
And the two-headed version?!?
Wow!
Over the top?
Yes.
Awesome?
Hell yes!
Now I can only wonder about the costs to get all of this new stuff...
I'm in agreement with you and Major Tom, etc. These new WHFB BIG HONKIN' MONSTER kits have me seriously considering buying them for, well, I don't know what purpose, but they are so damn cool. (The Storm of Magic ones being a bit disappointing though).
Actually, come to think of it, I DID buy a NecroWar-sphynx just because it was so awesome, and I figured I could use some of the bits in my Necrons army (so the purchase was justified as being for my "Main" army )
-C6
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Post by: Perkustin
Those Demigriffs are sexy as hell. I really like the griffon, it's not dynamic but it looks pretty cool.
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Post by: SngrFghtr
gotta say i think they are all pretty awesome! I like the War Altar, Celestial Hurricanium, and Luminark of Hysh but i kinda dislike them...I like the Demgriffs, and Griffin maybe they could have done a better job with them but i still like them a lot, I think the characters all look good as well
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
I'm very torn about it.
I really like all the weird contraptions and monsters, but I'm afraid we're going to be trying to find space on the table for scenery if this trend of monsters and warmachines continues...
Until the next edition I suppose, when they will make monsters and war machines a terrible investment.
Celestial Hurricanium is great. Really love the steroid gryphon as well. I'm thinking the two headed version will be useful for 40k imperium players in some way.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Hurricanium and Luminark are going to be a jackpot of bits for scenery, I think. I mean, a whirlygig solar system? A giant focusing lens?
Can we say "arcane relics"?
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Post by: Alpharius
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm very torn about it.
I really like all the weird contraptions and monsters, but I'm afraid we're going to be trying to find space on the table for scenery if this trend of monsters and warmachines continues...
I like a nice looking table in terms of scenery, but luckily WFB doesn't 'need' it like 40K does...
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Until the next edition I suppose, when they will make monsters and war machines a terrible investment.
Always a possibility, but these models are so nice, it wouldn't sting nearly as much, especially if you get them now, paint them quickly and get a lot of years of use out of them!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm thinking the two headed version will be useful for 40k imperium players in some way.
Expensive terrain piece, painted up as a statue in a city center?
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Post by: Ehsteve
Jaw dropped at sight of the Hurricanum.
Absolutely brilliant, the rest I am not so concerned about but that model certainly has me wishing I had the cash for it.
The War Altar is a massive improvement and I must commend the sculptor. Now it's time to hope that these models are useful in the new army book (which I must say has an awesome cover, best of the hard covers yet, so much more characters than the others).
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
True enough Alph, I do wish the ogre mercs unit was back (for that 'in the future' Marienburg army...) and I want them to redo the knightly orders properly. They were so strong for flavouring the armies to different provinces.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
I am glad for the lack of love for the knights. I felt with the Templar master and everything we were to akin to Brets
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Post by: Alpharius
It is definitely a disappointment that the Knights didn't get re-done...
The old metal knights (Panther and Blazing Sun) are really nice in terms of flavor, but are they even available anymore?
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Masters are at least, and Boss Salvage's list on the previous page shows them being made into Finecast.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Johnny-Crass wrote:I am glad for the lack of love for the knights. I felt with the Templar master and everything we were to akin to Brets
The knightly orders have been part of the Empire army for about 20 years. The Panthers, White Wolves and Reiksguard have been around for ages and they can really define an army as Middenheim (white wolves) or Altdorf (reiksguard) for example.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Alpharius wrote:
The old metal knights (Panther and Blazing Sun) are really nice in terms of flavor, but are they even available anymore?
No, but the Blazing Sun conversion kits ARE.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Johnny-Crass wrote:I am glad for the lack of love for the knights. I felt with the Templar master and everything we were to akin to Brets
The knightly orders have been part of the Empire army for about 20 years. The Panthers, White Wolves and Reiksguard have been around for ages and they can really define an army as Middenheim (white wolves) or Altdorf (reiksguard) for example.
I know but I do not think they should be core and a centerpoint. Unless maybe you take a master. I dunno.... I just dislike calvary
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Post by: kenshin620
By Sigmar, those Griffons make the old one look tiny!
Cant decide if thats a good thing or a bad thing
Hmm also I must admit the Demigriffs arent what I imagined. The FW stuff confused me I suppose
Wacky chariots are wacky! A Treasure trove for those making Empire Terrain (aka the only terrain made by GW )
Still I think the models are well within the Empire look, even if they look kinda funky.
It IS however a tad odd there are very little rumors/solid rumors on rules.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
Fortunately our need for new knights has a saviour in the very same Perrys that sculpted the originals. Not GW, so cheaper [12 for £18] and more realistic.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I can't work out why Volkmar the Grim would be a separate kit.
Anyway, I like the little solar system bit, but otherwise those wagons are just far too busy for my tastes. I don't like the Demi Griffons at all, and 'Roid-Claw doesn't do it for me. The Witch Hunter doesn't look anything like a Witch Hunter, and the single frame plastics don't do anything for me.
I'd like to get the solar system bit and the guys from the wagon, but that's about it.
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Post by: -Loki-
I actually thought the Demigryphs were knights on horses. Terrible sculpts.
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Post by: Alpharius
lasgunpacker wrote:Fortunately our need for new knights has a saviour in the very same Perrys that sculpted the originals. Not GW, so cheaper [12 for £18] and more realistic.
And as such... probably look really small and weedly when compared to GWs versions?
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Post by: bd1085
Very nice.
Saving a few bucks to loot the hell out of that altar kit for an epic war shrine, not to mention the vast amount of bits.
I'm definitely interested to see what the Witch Hunter has in store for enemy armies.
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Post by: kenshin620
Alpharius wrote:lasgunpacker wrote:Fortunately our need for new knights has a saviour in the very same Perrys that sculpted the originals. Not GW, so cheaper [12 for £18] and more realistic.
And as such... probably look really small and weedly when compared to GWs versions?
Yup. Even your average (possibly inbreed) bretonnian peasant drinks a galleon of protein shake and takes steroids in warhammer
Still, Perry does give you the option to field an inexpensive Empire ish looking army if you want to go that route
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Post by: AlexHolker
H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't work out why Volkmar the Grim would be a separate kit.
To spite me, clearly. Limited edition skull-shaped rocks, yet another SM Dreadnought and now a one-in-the-entire-setting war machine each get their own plastic sprues, but a replacement for a 15 year old metal HQ/Elite/Troops/Fast Attack/Heavy Support set? Fat chance!
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Post by: plastictrees
Love it all.
The little old school touches like the angry goblin face on the demi-gryph knight's barding? Delightful!
Can't see myself ever building a FB army so instead of my money I will give GW a terse nod of approval.
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Post by: Aerethan
$29 for a crappy resin Grandmaster model with the same old crappy horse? I'm buying the metal ones off ebay asap.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Aerethan wrote:$29 for a crappy resin Grandmaster model with the same old crappy horse? I'm buying the metal ones off ebay asap.
You might not have to...
They're on the GW site still for $15; but I haven't tried to order them so I can't attest if you can get them there or not.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
They are still for sale
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Post by: Aerethan
Kanluwen wrote:Aerethan wrote:$29 for a crappy resin Grandmaster model with the same old crappy horse? I'm buying the metal ones off ebay asap.
You might not have to...
They're on the GW site still for $15; but I haven't tried to order them so I can't attest if you can get them there or not.
A model almost doubling in price because of the move to mediocre results in resin is not ok. Now I just need to get some money together!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wow... doubling in price? What the feth for?
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Post by: kenshin620
H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow... doubling in price? What the feth for?
GW is having a field day with "Be a Ninja Day" with their prices
Only two things
1. They're not good at being ninjas
2. No one knows exactly when "Be a Ninja Day" is
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow... doubling in price? What the feth for?
Because they're absolute bonkers, obviously!
I assume it's to put them in a specific "price band" by their logic, but it makes no sense.
It's also quite strange that they're Finecasting these models, while all of the old metal Vampire Counts Bloodlines models have vanished and the "generic" stuff has been made into Finecast.
Oh, except for Nagash. You can still buy him in metal!
Exciting right?
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Post by: agnosto
Look! A bunch of big kits that just scream "I'm a primary target for your cannons!"
If they want monster hammer, the least they could do is nerf artillery to make them viable.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Alpharius wrote:lasgunpacker wrote:Fortunately our need for new knights has a saviour in the very same Perrys that sculpted the originals. Not GW, so cheaper [12 for £18] and more realistic.
And as such... probably look really small and weedly when compared to GWs versions?
Nope, think again.
GW vs. Perry comparison pic:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KfiHNhQw9y8/TiVVPlSiVRI/AAAAAAAAAak/A8ankUjec0E/s1600/IMG_3158.JPG
Headswaps even work out just fine between the 2 ranges.
Only thing that you have to deal with is that the weapons are true-scale, so you have to deal with the pain of not having handguns the size of tree trunks. :p
I'll be making a full-on Perry Empire army this year.
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Post by: Goldshield
As a longtime Dogs of War player, I was hoping that the new Empire book was going to go back to a number of the classics of the 5th Empire so I could convert my army to a more updated book. Halflings, Foot Reiksguard, Kislevites, Ogres and tons of other things. I would have enjoyed the halflings to return at least (God knows apparently they made sure IG had updated models for them but not Empire). The new stuff is nice and pretty, but a shame that not more attention has been detailed to the footsloggers and the backbone that keeps the Empire alive with blood and steel.
Well least I have Leitpold to bring some Ironguts and hopefully a Giant option will be available for the new book for my mercs to take the field once more.
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Post by: King of the Elves
Hotpot is coming back only $30 !!!!!
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Post by: Orlanth
1. The griffin needs to go on a diet.
2. War Alter seems to me as: Get altar, get two Wizards FREE!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
One Wizard.
Note they have the same body. It's the arms and head that differ.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Luminark of Hysh seems to come with a model just for that build, so it might be two Wizards.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:The Luminark of Hysh seems to come with a model just for that build, so it might be two Wizards.
Just one Wizard, they use the same body, different arms. Unless you want to use the Acolyte as a wizard.   However, looks like the War Altar DOES come with a second figure:  Look to the extreme right.
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Post by: RiTides
Hmmmmmmmmmm......
Not sure. GW's strategy of making a big multi-kit and a bigger class of cavalry is kind of lame, I think. Those wagons... egh. Maybe fine without all the stuff on top
Can't say it won't tempt me whenever WoC hits and we get some crazy insane monstrous cavalry. But I wish they'd mix things up a bit more... and overall, I'm not at all a fan of / tempted by this release. But then again, I'm not a fan of empire
Cool to see griffons getting emphasized so much, though. They are one of the more interesting things about empire, to me.
GW should resculpt the bad units the are already made, though, rather than make big kits, I think...
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Post by: Kanluwen
I would certainly say the Acolyte could be used as a Wizard!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:I would certainly say the Acolyte could be used as a Wizard!
Could we call him Ebenezer the Miserly?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I would certainly say the Acolyte could be used as a Wizard!
Could we call him Ebenezer the Miserly?
How about Jacob Marley?
But yeah. Those wagons look like they will be good to at least steal bits from for scenery.
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Post by: kenshin620
RiTides wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmm......
Not sure. GW's strategy of making a big multi-kit and a bigger class of cavalry is kind of lame, I think. Those wagons... egh. Maybe fine without all the stuff on top
I'm sure we'll be fine
Until they make this for bretonnians
As long as WE, who arent known to be a "war machiny" army, doesnt get anything I suppose too, like a giant tree (not tree MAN, just a tree!) Knowing GW though, they want people to buy big things...that are slightly overcosted and fold over to cannons
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Post by: RiTides
I could go for a trojan horse, though!
And a monstrous tree for WE would be OK with me, too . I even made a thread about proposed rules for one two years ago! Back when WE were still decent...
Basically, I'm just finding the monsters they're making a bit uninspired. The Ogre one was fantastic, but the TK ones... egh. These fall into that category for me.
So, yeah... all in the execution! But it would certainly help to be able to mix things up and not have to release the same "categories" for every army.
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Post by: sebster
Good to see the War Altar finally got a model worthy of its importance and value to an Empire army, I'm please I held off on buying the old model. I think I'll invest in that, and maybe, maybe the demi-griffon cavalry if their rules are reasonable. I'm not sold on any of the other new uber-contraptions, though, they all just seem kind of silly. Especially that light wizard laser thing.
But it is kind of funny that all the new war machines got spiffy horses that look big and muscular like horses, while knights still have to make do with their tiny ponies.
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Post by: Lockark
guys. Empire now have a DEATH RAY.
Their is a DEATH RAY in fantasy now!
O____O
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Post by: kenshin620
Lockark wrote:guys. Empire now have a DEATH RAY.
Their is a DEATH RAY in fantasy now!
O____O
Tomb Kings already does that
Although I suppose thats more of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" variety
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Post by: Aerethan
Technically the Engine of the Gods 1.0 from the Lustria supplement was the first death ray in fantasy. At least since 6th edition.
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Post by: kenshin620
Aerethan wrote:Technically the Engine of the Gods 1.0 from the Lustria supplement was the first death ray in fantasy. At least since 6th edition.
Unless we also count the time Chaos had access to Lascannons and other 40k weapons.....
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Post by: Aerethan
kenshin620 wrote:Aerethan wrote:Technically the Engine of the Gods 1.0 from the Lustria supplement was the first death ray in fantasy. At least since 6th edition.
Unless we also count the time Chaos had access to Lascannons and other 40k weapons.....
since 6th edition? never saw that in the last 12 years.
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Post by: kenshin620
Aerethan wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Aerethan wrote:Technically the Engine of the Gods 1.0 from the Lustria supplement was the first death ray in fantasy. At least since 6th edition.
Unless we also count the time Chaos had access to Lascannons and other 40k weapons.....
since 6th edition? never saw that in the last 12 years.
Ahh didnt see the 6th edition mark
Anyways, back onto the topic of Magnifying Glass Light Wizards
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Hmm, Looks like might actually have to start my empire army.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
hotsauceman1 wrote:Hmm, Looks like might actually have to start my empire army.
Give me a week to read the book and mine might be for sale
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Ill probably get ebay salvage. but i need a fantasy rulebook fist.
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Post by: Norn King
That Griffin is nuts!
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Post by: Dr. Cheesesteak
Johnny-Crass wrote:hotsauceman1 wrote:Hmm, Looks like might actually have to start my empire army.
Give me a week to read the book and mine might be for sale
I may be in line for that...
also, anyone notice that dude's Rudolph nose?? I hope that's just bad lighting...
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Post by: Dysartes
Johnny-Crass wrote:I dunno.... I just dislike calvary
Why? Were you there for the crucifixion?
H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't work out why Volkmar the Grim would be a separate kit.
As I suggested above, it may be that the core chassis is on one sprue, with the War Altar bits on a second, and the Death Ray/Planetarium bits on a third. Package sprues A & B for the Altar, and sprues A & C for crazy wizard shenanigans...
AlexHolker wrote:To spite me, clearly. Limited edition skull-shaped rocks, yet another SM Dreadnought and now a one-in-the-entire-setting war machine each get their own plastic sprues, but a replacement for a 15 year old metal HQ/Elite/Troops/Fast Attack/Heavy Support set? Fat chance!
And which set would that be, Alex?
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
I hate my auto correct so much... Put Calvary in once and it now turns cavalry into it every time...
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Post by: TBD
What is the Warrior Priest model to the right of Volkmar on the other (right) page that we can't clearly see in the picture?
It doesn't appear to be a different build of Volkmar, so is there perhaps an additional plastic Warrior Priest in that kit to use as Arch Lector (I think it says under the picture)?
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Post by: Aerethan
That is what it appears to be yes.
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Post by: ghosty
I've changed mt mind on the Gryphon. I like it. If they're pushing religions in the Empire this time round, I might have a look in on them. At the very least, I'll pick up the Gryphon for my Chaos Warriors. What I'd use it for... I dunno. But it's really grown on me over the last day or so.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
ghosty wrote:I've changed mt mind on the Gryphon. I like it. If they're pushing religions in the Empire this time round, I might have a look in on them. At the very least, I'll pick up the Gryphon for my Chaos Warriors. What I'd use it for... I dunno. But it's really grown on me over the last day or so.
WOuld make a far better Manticore than the new one
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Post by: reds8n
from 'seer, thanks to Mr. Ghal Maraz
What I can get from the WD:
units led by Empire Generals and Captains roll 3D6 for Break Test, discard highest;
Witch Hunters have Sniper and Killing Blow;
Imperial Griffons are S6, 5W - I don't have my old Army Book here, but it seems to me these are different? They can be two-headed as a special option (with built-in game effect);
Karl Franz grants his Ld to models within 18"; 24" if he is upon Deathclaw or the Imperial Dragon;
Deathclaw has +1 A and Ld respect an Imperial Griffon, the usual faithful rule and makes enemy units roll an additional D6, discard lowest when testing Fear/Terror caused by it.
The General on the Imperial Griffon model has the option of two heads (helmetd or not) and lance or sword (different from the Reikland Runefang).
The two magic altars can be fielded without Wizard on top, thus counting as a rare choice (I guess that was already known).
Demi-Gryphs Knights with cavalry halberds are shown with the shield too (I guess they'll use it only against shooting).
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Post by: 12thRonin
Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
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Post by: Platuan4th
12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
Cause it looks like a mirrored human version of Eltharion?
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Post by: lasgunpacker
sebster wrote:
But it is kind of funny that all the new war machines got spiffy horses that look big and muscular like horses, while knights still have to make do with their tiny ponies.
Technically it is that the horses are growing to match their oversized riders, rather than the horses being to small. They are already too big for historical/realistic horses.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's a Perry sculpt. Speaking ill of it will result in immediate banishment and mocking.
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Post by: AlexHolker
12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
According to someone in the Warseer thread it's a legitimate 15th century fencing pose.
Still looks silly, though.
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Post by: Johnny-Crass
AlexHolker wrote:12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
According to someone in the Warseer thread it's a legitimate 15th century fencing pose.
Still looks silly, though.
Since when do you fence with a great sword
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Post by: Platuan4th
Johnny-Crass wrote:AlexHolker wrote:12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
According to someone in the Warseer thread it's a legitimate 15th century fencing pose. Still looks silly, though.
Since when do you fence with a great sword
Since Fencing in a historical context means "Historical European Martial Arts". Also, "the action or art of using the sword scientifically" is in the OED as one definition of Fencing dating back to the 16th Century. Fencing with Foils, Epees, and Sabers is actually called Modern Fencing and derives from the French school of fencing.
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Post by: Goldshield
Witch Hunters get Sniper and Killing Blow? Oh yes... that makes him perfect to model my Tilean First Sword after with two pistols and Fencer's Blades (Hopefully they still get 50 pts of magic items).
"I am the First Sword of Tilea... and you will be speaking to me with more respect."
My interests have piqued again to make this project work.
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Post by: 12thRonin
Platuan4th wrote:12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
Cause it looks like a mirrored human version of Eltharion?
Eltherion is at least parrying with the blade in a somewhat realistic manner and the model flows with that motion. The Captain is doing a reinforced pommel thrust which is generally used against a grounded opponent with a double handed sword but his stance and blade angle is a forward thrusting stance. Not to mention the cloak is going the wrong way for either, but we should be used to that by now.
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Post by: vitki
So where do all the ostriches live in the old world? Does the Empire own farms of giant mutated chickens?
Where do they get all these huge feathers that would need to be replaced after every battle or stiff breeze?
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Post by: Platuan4th
vitki wrote:So where do all the ostriches live in the old world? Does the Empire own farms of giant mutated chickens?
Where do they get all these huge feathers that would need to be replaced after every battle or stiff breeze?
All the Griffons, duh.
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Post by: Orlanth
I would rather they used the War Altar kit chassis for a War Wagon than those magic thingies. I dont mind one large magic apparatus but two and no War Wagon, we have been had.
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Johnny-Crass wrote:AlexHolker wrote:12thRonin wrote:Surprised nobody has commented on the Captain with the Greatsword and the "pose" yet.
According to someone in the Warseer thread it's a legitimate 15th century fencing pose.
Still looks silly, though.
Since when do you fence with a great sword
Since at least the 15th century.
Warseer got this right. You can poke with a zwerch, it's a standard move.
Images from Talhoffer's Fechtbuch 1460.
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Post by: Kanluwen
So it looks like the Witch Hunter has a whole bag of stakes on his back!
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Post by: Commander Cain
Wow that griffon thing is ugly, looks like someone bolted the steam tank to the front of it and called it a job well done! All the chariots look weird to me but I can see how they fit in with the empire aesthetic. The knights however look pretty cool
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Post by: Slinky
I really like KF's helmet, but I'll prolly not add him to my Empire army, the War Altar however will almost certainly find a place amongst the ranks of Hochland
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Post by: ph34r
Just today I realized that the new/biggerized gryphon matches extremely closely with the Blanche (i think?) art of Karl Franz on Deathclaw (from the main rulebook, fluff section on the Empire's history). The similarity reminds me strongly of the zombie dragon likeness that was captured from the art to model; I am impressed.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
I like the griffon less with the better pictures. The demi-griffons are better than I thought, but still not great. I wonder what they would look like with the white lion heads?
The witch hunter is pretty cool... but finecast means no. The plastic heros are interesting, and I am pleased to see that the Perry brothers did them.
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Post by: plastictrees
ph34r wrote:Just today I realized that the new/biggerized gryphon matches extremely closely with the Blanche (i think?) art of Karl Franz on Deathclaw (from the main rulebook, fluff section on the Empire's history). The similarity reminds me strongly of the zombie dragon likeness that was captured from the art to model; I am impressed.
Awesome isn't it?
Besides being a throwback art reference I love that it has a distinct "shape". So many of GW's previous ridden monsters were all basically the same pose and bulk. I know some people will hate it but I'd love to see them take a more stylised approach to their monsters.
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Post by: TheSovereign
Really digging the Karl Franz and witch hunter models!
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Post by: Beer_&_Bolters
Definately like the big griffon and the demigriffons better with the clearer pics. not quite sure how i feel about a two-headed griffon tho...
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Post by: Alpharius
I love them all... willpower fading...
I want two Griffons - one for Karl and one for the two-headed version!
This is going to get pricey!
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Post by: TBD
That plastic Master Enigeer will do great as my GK's Vindicare Assassin
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