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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I'm working on an invasion of the Stardust Empire with a few other people at Sturmkrieg. We're each writing stories and articles from our armies' perspective, and including fluff from some actual games we've fought together as part of the invasion. The Sturmkrieg and Volianvan sectors have each started an invasion of the Stardust Empire because of its heretical practices, though it claims to be an ally of the Imperium. We're currently mid way through the beginning of the invasion.
Sturmkrieg Sektor- Created by Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Volianvan Sector- Created by Lord Kesharq
Stardust Empire- Created by Dark Emperor
Here's the fluff on the battles and the invasion:
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Attack_on_the_Stardust_Empire
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Declaring_War_on_the_Stardust_Empire
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Inquisitor_Lord_Balan
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Saving_Balan
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Taking_the_Ruins
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/To_catch_a_Master_of_the_Forge
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/The_turning_of_the_chapters
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Timeline_of_the_War_of_the_Emperors New
Additional fluff about the factions involved:
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Stardust_Empire
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Sturmkrieg_Sektor
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Category:Volianvan
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Post by: Blacksails
So...the Dark Emperor...is...a chaper master, chaos lord, autarch, ethereal, hive tyrant and finally, emperor?
I don't usually do this, but "lolwut"?
This would be fine if it wasn't 40k fiction, but it is, which means it makes no sense in the universe. The Dark Emperor breaks all established notions of fluff. And the Imperium does not make alliances with other empires, especially ones named 'Stardust'.
To be frank and honest, this doesn't fit in the 40k universe...at all.
By all means, keep writing this amongst your friends, but as far as 40k fluff goes, this doesn't work.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
This is why we're attacking it, because it's completely heretical. I don't really like to tell people that they absolutely have to change things, as I've seen that be very harmful to membership on more dictatorial fanfiction wikis. I'll make suggestions to him about ways to improve his story, especially since we're working on it with him.
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Post by: Blacksails
I'm not telling you to change it, I'm just telling you it breaks the established 40k fluff.
A lot of 40k players are attracted and will remain attracted to this game because of the rich backstory that's been growing for almost 30 something years. People who love the fluff love it so much because there are still so many blank areas for us to fill in with custom chapters, regiments, craftworlds, kabals and waaaaghhhs! But when people break from established facts and notions, its not enjoyable because then it becomes your universe rather than our universe. I want to be able to picture my space marine chapter fighting alongside your IG regiment, but, I can't because of things like the 'Dark Emperor'.
Simply put, you can't be an Eldar, Tau, Tyranid, superhuman, and chaos worshiper at the same time. Its just, well, silly.
Sorry, but don't expect a lot of people on the internet to take this seriously, as far as 40k fluff is concerned.
And about being harmful by suggesting complete changes, if we as fans didn't follow some basic guidelines about writing in the 40k universe, we could do whatever we wanted, and frankly, the 40k universe would lose its magic if we all went about whatever we wanted.
Just my two cents.
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Post by: purplefood
Blacksails pretty much summed up my feelings on this subject.
I haven't read this entire thing, i'm sure there are some good parts but if you have a character such as this 'Emperor Omega' it will lose it's charm.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Wait what?
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I'm not telling you to change it, I'm just telling you it breaks the established 40k fluff.
I'm aware. It's not mine to change, unless I insist on changing it, which I have done a few times in extreme cases.
Post 2011/11/13 17:22:46 Subject: Re:Attack on the Stardust Empire
I'm not telling you to change it, I'm just telling you it breaks the established 40k fluff.
A lot of 40k players are attracted and will remain attracted to this game because of the rich backstory that's been growing for almost 30 something years. People who love the fluff love it so much because there are still so many blank areas for us to fill in with custom chapters, regiments, craftworlds, kabals and waaaaghhhs! But when people break from established facts and notions, its not enjoyable because then it becomes your universe rather than our universe. I want to be able to picture my space marine chapter fighting alongside your IG regiment, but, I can't because of things like the 'Dark Emperor'.
That is the reason why I started Sturmkrieg, so that we all would be able to have a common fictional universe for our creations. The problem you mention is the reason why limits are necessary to fanfiction, though we need to know a good boundary for those limits. I would say that at least in this case, the Stardust Empire is going beyond this limit.
Simply put, you can't be an Eldar, Tau, Tyranid, superhuman, and chaos worshiper at the same time. Its just, well, silly.
Sorry, but don't expect a lot of people on the internet to take this seriously, as far as 40k fluff is concerned.
And about being harmful by suggesting complete changes, if we as fans didn't follow some basic guidelines about writing in the 40k universe, we could do whatever we wanted, and frankly, the 40k universe would lose its magic if we all went about whatever we wanted.
That's a very good point. And the advantage of a wiki, or something like Sturmkrieg is that content can be moderated, so that everything can be decent and fit together, as opposed to a random fanfiction website where everyone writes their own thing and there is no moderation of ridiculousness. The only issue is that wiki admins are not supposed to be dictators, or overly controlling.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Updated.
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Post by: Blacksails
I don't know what you've updated, but there's still that absurd Dark Emperor thing. Part dragon, part wolf, part human, part ridiculous. Sorry, but there's no redeeming feature to that character and sadly, it kind of ruins the rest of this Stardust empire faction.
As for something to think about, your battles are very small in their scope. I understand that they're based on a standard 40k battle, but for writing about a war, you have to expand the scope. Don't think platoons and squads, think regiments and companies moving to take a large and significantly important target.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I know that the Dark Emperor is really ridiculous (part of the reason we're invading his empire), but I think that he just wants his army to be for fun on the table top rather than strictly adhering to canon. Really my main problem is that he has Chaos Marines that are allied with the Imperium.
As for the battles, I see what you mean. It is a pretty big war; within the 30 worlds of the Stardust Empire, there are approximately 14 Space Marine chapters and a Chaos Legion. I did want to start out with a [relatively] small raiding force, but it's still a good size attack. I'll work on adding the bigger battles, maybe for later in the war when the initial lighting attacks are over.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I also need to change the force that attacks the War Ravens; I think it's a bit of contradiction of my own fluff for that many Scharzenkommando forces to be getting sent after a Space Marine chapter.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Do you think we should ask Dark Emperor to tone down his empire at all, or would that be too dictatorial?
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Post by: Blacksails
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:Do you think we should ask Dark Emperor to tone down his empire at all, or would that be too dictatorial?
That only depends on whether or not you like it and where you want to take your fluff. Your fluff would work perfectly fine on it own, you'd just have to create a different enemy (a more believable one, say an Ork Waaagh!). Personally, I think the Dark Emperor stuff (and the stardust empire by extension) is just silly, non-sensical, and sounds like a 12 year-old fanboy. Your fluff (flaws and all) has a good tone about it, and it appears that you're at least trying to fit with the established universe, yet have your own flair.
Toning it down wouldn't really fix the problem. Nothing short of an entire revamp of that fluff would bring it into line with established fluff. Anyways, do what you want, but I personally feel the Dark Emperor/Stardust Empire detracts from your fluff.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I've mentioned to him that it really doesn't fit, the way he has a lot of his stuff, like the way that he has Chaos Space Marines in an empire allied with the Imperium; he said that they no longer worship Chaos, which I think technically would still work as long as they weren't mutated. (I remember hearing that in the fluff, non corrupted Space Marines can come back from Chaos in exchange for a penance crusade, or something like that.)
I think he just wants to have fun (which is the most important part of the hobby), and his fluff is just an explanation for the way his army works on the table top.
In a way it's good that he boldly creates an army just with what he thinks is the most fun, since that's what the hobby is all about. If he was really pushing that his army was completely canon consistent, it would be different.
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Post by: purplefood
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:I've mentioned to him that it really doesn't fit, the way he has a lot of his stuff, like the way that he has Chaos Space Marines in an empire allied with the Imperium; he said that they no longer worship Chaos, which I think technically would still work as long as they weren't mutated. (I remember hearing that in the fluff, non corrupted Space Marines can come back from Chaos in exchange for a penance crusade, or something like that.)
I think he just wants to have fun (which is the most important part of the hobby), and his fluff is just an explanation for the way his army works on the table top.
In a way it's good that he boldly creates an army just with what he thinks is the most fun, since that's what the hobby is all about. If he was really pushing that his army was completely canon consistent, it would be different.
It's nice that he knows what he wants to do, but ignoring the general not-canonosity of it some of the stuff is fairly absurd.
If you take into account the universe he wants it to be a part of it is even worse.
Renegade SM can come back in return for a pennance crusade. It is rare for a chaos worshipper to be allowed back into the Imperium and not executed/purged/whatever.
Part of the challange and the fun of making your own armies background is making it so that you get the right feel for your army and at the same time stick to canon as much as is possible IMO.
Having just read through the Stardust Empire i have a feeling it needs a re-write...
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I don't really think his marines would be taken back either; he also told me that they have Berzerkers which have converted to worshiping the Dark Emperor, which are two things I don't see the IoM going for. I also really don't think that they'd like the who A CHALLENGER APPEARS thing with the DE being a shadow version of the Emperor.
Part of the reason for the invasion was to have a reason to get rid of it; it was only a matter of time before the Inquisition found out about the Tyranids he has working with him.
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Post by: purplefood
How about this.
The Governor of the [Name] sector has over the years succumbed to Warp madness. A potent psyker [name] became Sector governor from an early age after his family somehow managed to negotiate for him to be left out of the Black Ships horrible tithe. However, more recently he has shown signs of the warp malady that afflicts some very few psykers.
Proclaiming himself the Dark Emperor of the [name] sector he has seceded from the Imperium. This was not a sudden decline. Over the many years [name] has gone further and further over the edge. Hiring chaotic and xenos mercenaries, experimenting with xeno bio and weapons technology and in some cases outright blasphemy. How this escaped the notice of the Inquisition is down to simple betrayal. Inquisitor [name] turned his back on his glorious majesty and aligned himself with the governor. Using the inquisitor to capture or kill his fellows in the sector and any replacements in a series of staged accidents or using his chaotic mercenaries to deal with them [name] has managed to keep his sector from inquisitorial eyes.
Drop any and all loyalist SM from their roster. They are secessionists now. Any loyal SM forces (Lets say a Fleet based chapter that was mid-system) are either forced to fall back and regroup or have fallen back to join up with the Sturmkrieg forces.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
It sounds good. I'll mention it to him. Although, I don't think any amount of heresy is going to get Tyranids to form and alliance; they aren't even sentient, I don't think.
This actually works really well because every time we've destroyed one of his chapters, he's just written fluff about a new one.
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Post by: purplefood
You don't form allainces with Tyranids in the traditional sense.
The usual narrative mechanic is some kind of bio/technical machine that subverts the hivemind...
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:You don't form allainces with Tyranids in the traditional sense.
The usual narrative mechanic is some kind of bio/technical machine that subverts the hivemind...
I forgot about that. I've seen a lot of Ork stuff done that way, like mek boyz with remote controlled Carnifexes in apocalypse.
It works well for Tyranid allies.
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Post by: purplefood
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:purplefood wrote:You don't form allainces with Tyranids in the traditional sense.
The usual narrative mechanic is some kind of bio/technical machine that subverts the hivemind...
I forgot about that. I've seen a lot of Ork stuff done that way, like mek boyz with remote controlled Carnifexes in apocalypse.
It works well for Tyranid allies.
It also looks really ferreting cool.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I just added the beginning of a story about how and why the Space Marine chapters of the Stardust Empire turn away from their heretical leader.
It's called The turning of the chapters.
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Post by: purplefood
SM chapters are independent.
The Sector of a governor would have no control over them.
It is also likely the fleet elements of 6 chapters (A bit much for a single sector maybe tone it down to 3) could hold off and if necessary rescue the ground forces of the chapters fairly easily.
My suggestions: Tone it down to 3 chapters.
Have them either, fleet based, hit and run experts or city fight experts.
Either they strip their homeworlds down and evacuate, hold their ground and wait for Imperial relief, begin a long hit and run campaign that lasts the entire campaign.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I realized that, although it's not a sector; it's the "Stardust Empire." I don't have any control over it, but I could ask DE if he'd be interested in toning it down. I've brought up the issue of having 14 Space Marine chapters in an allied empire of the Imperium, really close to Terra. It could also be possible that while the sector governor doesn't have power over the SM, he has informal control over them, meaning that they just work together and and the SM chose to recognize his authority.
How many ships would each chapter have, do you think? Approximately how big are they too?
For their battle plan, I think they'll strip down their homeworld and evacuate.
Thanks for your input; I'll amend the story so that the Space Marines are working on evacuating. Maybe I'll make it so it's just that one chapter is having difficulty with fighting of Stardust Empire forces. They do have a ton of Tyranids, Eldar, Tau, and Chaos Marines.  
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Post by: purplefood
Hang on...
These guys weren't ever a part of the Imperium?
Okay this thing kind needs some help...
I can understand your guys being outside the Imperium, sometimes the Imperium doesn't have the forces or someone deems them stable enough to leave alone for the time being.
But these guys wouldn't have SM chapters roaming through their space if they weren't Imperial... they sure as all hell wouldn't have any kind of control over them. Ask him if he wants it to be good. Not if he wants to tone it down...
An SM fleet is mainly comprised of Strike Cruisers, Battle Barges, frigates, some destroyers and various auxiliary and support vessels.
Strike Cruisers will be... well cruisers sized. about middling. Battle Barges tend to be much bigger (About battleship sized i think)
The frigates and destroyers are much smaller.
The auxiliary vessels would be smaller still unless the chapter has a manufactorum ship which tend to be colossal.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
They're allied with the Imperium, so I think the backstory is that they were given to the DE by the GE or something like that. Apperently they're supposed to be brothers, I believe. (I also haven't written any of this BTW.) They also shouldn't have Tau, seeing as they're on the complete opposite side of the galaxy either. It's totally heretical, and the Imperium wouldn't stand for it. That's part of the reason for the invasion.
Thanks; about how many ships would it be? Maybe 12 or 15, maybe several more smaller ones?
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Post by: purplefood
About 6-8 Strike Crusiers and a maximum of 3-4 Battle Barges...
It's impossible for the Emperor to have a brother...
You can sort of be allied with the Imperium. Some systems have more independance than others due but all must pay a tithe unless they aren't a part of the Imperium at all for whatever reason.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
That definitely helps out a lot.
I'll mention to him that the Emperor can't have a brother, though fluff wise, it's possible that maybe the DE would claim to be related to the GE.
I think really the only way to be an ally is to have semi independence, and the only way to have that is pretty much through chance, or to have been part of the Imperium pre heresy. Possibly something like being out on the eastern fringe, or being a sub sector within a sector that doesn't pay any attention to you, and so you sort of get independence by default since the Imperium just never deals with you.
Something like the Rotstein example also.
I also consider it slightly Mary Sue to deliberately try to plan out being "semi independent." It's also pretty redundant as the Imperium is so big and so much of a confederation that most sectors or systems with have semi independence unless they're a major part of the Imperium or are totally untrusted.
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Post by: purplefood
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:That definitely helps out a lot.
I'll mention to him that the Emperor can't have a brother, though fluff wise, it's possible that maybe the DE would claim to be related to the GE.
I think really the only way to be an ally is to have semi independence, and the only way to have that is pretty much through chance, or to have been part of the Imperium pre heresy. Possibly something like being out on the eastern fringe, or being a sub sector within a sector that doesn't pay any attention to you, and so you sort of get independence by default since the Imperium just never deals with you.
Something like the Rotstein example also.
I also consider it slightly Mary Sue to deliberately try to plan out being "semi independent." It's also pretty redundant as the Imperium is so big and so much of a confederation that most sectors or systems with have semi independence unless they're a major part of the Imperium or are totally untrusted.
It's not Mary Sue but it is silly to make a point of it as most systems are semi-independant...
He could claim he was a brother of the Emperor... though if we are going with that i would instead have him claim he IS the Emperor... why nto go all the way?
Unless this is on the Eastern fringe then Tau should be there...
Everyone else (kinda) makes sense to be there... apart from the SM chapters unless they are turning renegade...
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Just added a timeline of the events of the war.
It's not Mary Sue but it is silly to make a point of it as most systems are semi-independant...
He could claim he was a brother of the Emperor... though if we are going with that i would instead have him claim he IS the Emperor... why nto go all the way?
Unless this is on the Eastern fringe then Tau should be there...
Everyone else (kinda) makes sense to be there... apart from the SM chapters unless they are turning renegade...
I guess not really, but I've noticed that a lot of people seem to lay into any stories that are described that way, without really taking into account that most sectors or worlds are probably semi independent.
It does make sense for a heretical faction, although he really doesn't see it that way. He really doesn't see the problem with having Chaos Space Marines, Tau, Eldar, Tyranids, and Orks all in an empire separate from the Imperium and allied with it. If the Dark Emperor character wanted to be an ally of the Imperium, it's probably more likely that he would just call himself a brother of the Emperor rather than actually try to claim himself to be the Emperor.
The Stardust Empire is near Terra, and the Tau are all the way on the eastern fringe.
It makes sense for everyone else to be in that part of the galaxy, but it doesn't really make sense at all fluff wise for them to be all hugging together in the same empire; it really goes against the grim darkness of 40k.
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Post by: purplefood
He doesn't see the problem?
It's ridiculous is the problem. In every sense of the word. It is open to ridicule.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I assume you're referring to
It does make sense for a heretical faction, although he really doesn't see it that way. He really doesn't see the problem with having Chaos Space Marines, Tau, Eldar, Tyranids, and Orks all in an empire separate from the Imperium and allied with it. If the Dark Emperor character wanted to be an ally of the Imperium, it's probably more likely that he would just call himself a brother of the Emperor rather than actually try to claim himself to be the Emperor.
I think he realizes that people know it's completely ridiculous, but I think he genuinely believes that if he makes up a "good backstory" that all is explained and it makes sense for things to work his way. Part of it was my not coming out with how it doesn't work that way for not wanting to hurt his feelings. I think he just does it for table top fun, or he just wants to have his own thing, but that's sort of a problem for wikis though.
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Post by: purplefood
With fluff you can do whatever you want.
I prefer to have a background that fits with the universe myself.
Thing is, if you're gonna have this kind of background he will recieve... less than positive reviews. It's lazy. Not in the amount written but it's badly written.
There is some potential but most of it needs to be re-written.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I agree with that.
Currently, it's all just his personal army; it doesn't fit the fluff and is only there for him.
I think that what really needs to be rewritten is that they can be heretical, but they shouldn't have 30 different races all in alliance; it totally breaks the grim dark them.
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Post by: Dark Emperor
Mostly I was Not thinking When i Wrote the Fluff So i might Change it. But i would Keep it to the 6th ed Rule book ally List
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Post by: Dark Emperor
If you guys want me to take things out i will and i was Planing to kill of the Nids Anyway (that doent Mean i wont Play them in the Tabletop)
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Post by: Dark Emperor
Look the point of the Fluff Was that Even if something is a Xeno with a little persuasion Even a Xeno can Serve the Imperium and the God Emperor, The point of the Entire Group is not to Attack the Imperium and I know Someone would say but their Job is to Guard the Easter Part OF the Imperium and they are a Sub Empire In the Imperium.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
There's a discussion here where a few people gave good suggestions for updating the fluff to work better with established canon. I believe they suggested that the Tyranids could stay if they are being psychically controlled by the Dark Emperor. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/472288.page
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Post by: purplefood
Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.
A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.
Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.
Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.
Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.
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Post by: Trondheim
This, this reeks worse than manure! Never have I read such heretical trash
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Post by: Dark Emperor
 purplefood wrote:Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.
A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.
Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.
Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.
Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.
Thanks For the Welcome and I understand thanks for that but I think This whole thing is just Out Of control (not the Empire Thing But the Talk on it). But I am Trying to Fix what i wrote, Plus the Inquistion Has had a Few Meetings with the Group. But I think that I did Make a Mistake When writing. And I never Wrote that in the Empire i Had my own Inquisition and Im not Saying Forced Space Marine Chapters but the Chapters joined the Imperium of their Own accord and the Xeons Strictly Avoid All contact with Imperium Forces (guard Duty in other Words)
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.
A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.
Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.
Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.
Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.
Thanks.
I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.
It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.
@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.
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Post by: purplefood
The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.
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Post by: Dark Emperor
 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: purplefood wrote:Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.
A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.
Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.
Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.
Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.
Thanks.
I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.
It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.
@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called
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Post by: Dark Emperor
purplefood wrote:The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.
He was (i have not Wrote it yet) but they found him Pure and found no Psychic power in his mind. He was Warned to Remain in His sector at all times and that if the other Imperial forces need him He will be asked and he is to train. That was all he was told to do and that is What He has Been doing for a long time and he just tries to maintain order and still Pays Skull Taka (the Ork War boss) to Make Attacks on other Ork Forces.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.
Do you think he could slip through the cracks on a forgotten world? I suppose they must have ways of detecting a psyker that powerful. It looks like it's back to the planning board on that area then.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Dark Emperor wrote: Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: purplefood wrote:Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.
A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.
Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.
Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.
Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.
Thanks.
I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.
It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.
@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called
I was referring to the character being delusional, not you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll refer to the character as Dark Emperor Omega. I was just trying to create a way for him to think he is serving the Imperium while maintaining the forces that you have established. It won't work canon consistently to have the Imperium allied with heretics and xenos. Plus none of those xenos would want to ally with each other either. It would take a massive force just to get them into an army, let alone live together in an empire.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
The Eldar and the leaders of the empire would have a fun time with these guys:
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Post by: purplefood
Dark Emperor wrote:
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called
Please use proper grammar and spelling on Dakka and at all times remember Rule #1.
If you want to write within the 40k universe (Believably at any rate) you have to obey the rules of the universe. Admittedly you don't have to do it but people could just as easily not have to read it...
Incidentally everything i have ever seen written about the 'Dark Emperor' (The character not you) says he is an Alpha level psyker...
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Post by: Dark Emperor
purplefood wrote:Dark Emperor wrote:
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called
Please use proper grammar and spelling on Dakka and at all times remember Rule #1.
If you want to write within the 40k universe (Believably at any rate) you have to obey the rules of the universe. Admittedly you don't have to do it but people could just as easily not have to read it...
Incidentally everything i have ever seen written about the 'Dark Emperor' (The character not you) says he is an Alpha level psyker...
Sorry about that
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Post by: DeffDred
This... Stardust Empire... has to go.
The idea of any of these races working together is foolishness beyond compare.
I read the breif entry on it and was just... shocked?... disgusted? I didn't even see anything on this "Dark Emperor" (our sheilds will be quite operational when your friends arrive).
Here's my main question. Why are you trying to include all these races? Did you just buy a bunch of models and can't decide on what to play?
The idea of Tau, Orks, Space Marines, chaos and Tyrainids working together is so beyond stupid I can't even express my hatred for the concept properly.
This idea MUST be struck from the record. Go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. SAVE NONE OF THESE IDEAS!
Too many Marine Chapters, too many ships, too many worlds, too close to Terra, too many allied races... the list of problems goes on.
You can make your fiction however you want but if you ever played against me and tried to tell me this back story I'd probably just stop playing and start a game with someone else.
If you're hellbent on including all these races you should make it coincidence they are all there and not the grand plan of an apparently non-psyker alpha psyker brother of the Emperor (who was created, not born).
There is just too much to go over and try to justify or correct. Seriously. Start over with a new idea.
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Post by: Lewisito
Hi all, i am Lord Kesharq, the 3rd member of that site involved in that war....i was just wondering what people thought of my fluff.
(not asking for comparisons with Dark Emperors, just want views on my own fluff writing skills).
As for this....well it will burn in the holy fire of imperial counter attack!.
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Post by: purplefood
 Lewisito wrote:Hi all, i am Lord Kesharq, the 3rd member of that site involved in that war....i was just wondering what people thought of my fluff.
(not asking for comparisons with Dark Emperors, just want views on my own fluff writing skills).
As for this....well it will burn in the holy fire of imperial counter attack!.
I'm somewhat ashamed to say that despite reading both the Sturmkrieg stuff and the Stardust stuff (Which really needs to just be re-thought) i haven't read any of yours...
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Post by: Lewisito
Lol its ok mate, after all mine is kinda a side show to what Inquisitor Ehrenstein and the dark emperor have going on, am also not that involved with this war as i have been adding real life campaign games into my fluff which has lead me to really not get to involved as it would have been too many deployments for a single space marine chapter to do .
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Post by: purplefood
Is there a link you can give me?
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Post by: Lewisito
yeah sure all my works can be found here, iv written a lot over time so am not wanting you to go though it all lol. Just hope other gamers like it .
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Portal:Volianvan
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Lewisito wrote:Lol its ok mate, after all mine is kinda a side show to what Inquisitor Ehrenstein and the dark emperor have going on, am also not that involved with this war as i have been adding real life campaign games into my fluff which has lead me to really not get to involved as it would have been too many deployments for a single space marine chapter to do .
You've actually written a lot more than I have. 
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Post by: King Pariah
Remember what I posted back on that getting the Stardust empire to fit better thread? I'm reposting it. (I admit, this sort of even tests my tolerance of fan fluff)
Yeah, he's definitely going to have to get rid of the nids, Nids actively protecting anything aside from a synapse creature and a synapse creature desiring to do anything more but nom nom nom to sustain the Tyranids as a whole?
Also, if he wants Tau allies, move his empire perhaps on the eastern fringe of the galaxy so it's relatively close to the Tau empire so it becomes reasonable that some minor breakaway Tau faction(s) would become incorporated into his empire.
What I think his "dark emperor" should be: A leader of tremendous charisma, a tactically and strategically brilliant soldier/warrior, of immense strength, power, and longevity from which a rumor was created suggesting that he had close ties to/worked closely with the emperor once upon a time, perhaps even related. The truth (if he so desires, could be another rumor and the truth be wrapped up in mystery): He's the Primarch of the Forgotten, once swallowed up by the warp only to be spat out fairly recently in some remote part of the galaxy. Perhaps he refuses to join the Imperium as it is not the Imperium that his father (The Emperor) had wished to create, and is trying to build an empire that is more akin to The Emperor's dream.However he is reluctant to abandon the Imperium and mankind as they are kin and so he goes out of his way to assist the Imperium when he can. The reason as to why he allies with xenos: he, unlike his father, sees hope for the galaxy in other races as well and strives for cooperation (as much as possible, probably make a loose alliance with orks somehow, perhaps something similar to the fluff of the Knights Inductor - a homebrew chapter - would suit his needs) against chaos and other forces that aren't so compromising/cooperative. The Dark Emperor being the Primarch of the Forgotten would also explain as to why he has access to Space Marines.
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Post by: Lewisito
Really Inquisitor Ehrenstein? iv not kept count? but i didn't know i had outdone you :S. Which reminds me that i need to get back to work on your planets!.
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Post by: purplefood
I have a recollection of the HH series hinting that at least 1 of the 2 Lost Legions were destroyed if not both of them...
Incidentally from reading random bits of it the Volianvan sector is pretty good...
It's not over the top. Fairly detailed (There are parts where you could go into detail further) and sensible.
The only real problem with it would be the grammar and spelling but all you'd have to do is run it though a spell check and you're fine.
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Post by: Lewisito
Thank you for the positive feed back mate, glad to see you enjoyed it.
Ah yes the grammar and spelling are mostly due to me being dyslexic, but i do try to correct any mistakes made when i find them or there pointed out.
Oh and agreed, there is stuff there i need to go back to, to work on more and add to or too finish off due to whatever reason came up that distracted me from finishing a article in the first place.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote: Lewisito wrote:Hi all, i am Lord Kesharq, the 3rd member of that site involved in that war....i was just wondering what people thought of my fluff.
(not asking for comparisons with Dark Emperors, just want views on my own fluff writing skills).
As for this....well it will burn in the holy fire of imperial counter attack!.
I'm somewhat ashamed to say that despite reading both the Sturmkrieg stuff and the Stardust stuff (Which really needs to just be re-thought) i haven't read any of yours...
What do you think I need to do?
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Post by: purplefood
It's really German. Like to the point where it's just silly...
You know how in the Adam West Batman when they poked fun by having everything be "bat-xxx"?
It's like that... but German.
I'm not saying don't have some elements of it but it doesn't need to be so heavy handed...
Also the blanks thing really has to go. It doesn't matter that they have very few psykers in return. Blanks are insanely rare across humanity.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:It's really German. Like to the point where it's just silly...
You know how in the Adam West Batman when they poked fun by having everything be "bat-xxx"?
It's like that... but German.
I'm not saying don't have some elements of it but it doesn't need to be so heavy handed...
Also the blanks thing really has to go. It doesn't matter that they have very few psykers in return. Blanks are insanely rare across humanity.
Ok. I see what that's a problem. Would any of these things help it out?
Using the Cyrillic alphabet to appear less German
Not using German, but using words from multiple languages. For example, attention becomes achteskaya or ачтескаыа
English spellings for words- Freiwehrkrieg becomes Freivehrkrieg and Silesia becomes Tzelesia
Russian themes, not really obvious, but possibly in the uniform designs. They could be gray, but the style would be more Russian, at least for some of the worlds
Having the Sektors (sub sectors) have some independence from one another, so that they can have different themes. The Rotstein Sektor is very different and in many ways non German. From the local perspective they are independent, but to the Imperium and Mechanicum they are part of the Sturmkrieg Sector
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Is it worse than this? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/368718.page I about had a fit when I saw that poster. Cool design and no offense to the OP, but the language IS German. Plus the whole thing was REALLY German. --> I expected this to automatically append.
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Post by: purplefood
It was pretty German but yours is more OTT than that is...
That army has a German feel to it whereas you smash the reader in the face with the German-ness.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:It was pretty German but yours is more OTT than that is...
That army has a German feel to it whereas you smash the reader in the face with the German-ness.
That one always seemed way more German to me, and a bit silly to have full translations. In the beginning, I used to to full translations, but I realized how silly it was not to have any linguistic change. I'll put it down to not being clear enough on my part. I'll put up drawings of uniform designs and stuff. If there's any one area that could use change to improve it, please let me know.
How does it compare to the Volianvan Sector and the Stardust Empire?
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Post by: purplefood
It's not as bad as the Stardust Empire but IMO it's not as good as the Volianvan Sector.
In the middle. That said it's not without it's good points, but it does need a few adjustments.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:It's not as bad as the Stardust Empire but IMO it's not as good as the Volianvan Sector.
In the middle. That said it's not without it's good points, but it does need a few adjustments.
Thanks. On the issue of the Pariahs, I'm going to limit the numbers of them again. Probably the same as the number of pskyers elsewhere, but still more than normal. I don't really see a reason where there can't be an unusual population. I had this conversation at a GW store a while back. It's up to you how to do it, but understanding that silliness like everyone being a Pariah would be excessive. It could work out to one in 1,000,000 at most. Not the 1 in 1,000 that led to billions of Pariahs.
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Post by: purplefood
It's not. Blanks are rarer than psykers. A lot rarer...
By several orders of magnitude...
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Post by: Avatar 720
Are we talking about Blanks here? Or Pariahs? They're both essentially anti-psykers, but Blanks are noticeably less effective against Psykers than are Pariahs, and are also likely more common (although they're still infinitely rarer than Psykers).
Bear in mind that the largest recorded group of Blanks in canon fluff, and outside Imperial Assassins and the Sisters of Silence, numbered only two dozen or so (Eisenhorn's 'Distaff'), so a large gathering of Blanks really shouldn't pass that number, otherwise you run the risk of people wondering why this large group of Blanks hasn't been mentioned before in fluff. If, for example, someone wrote about how an Ultramarine single-handedly destroyed an entire Waaagh!, you'd expect the SM Codex to talk about it, or for it to be at least mentioned somewhere.
Depending upon whether you want Pariahs or Blanks, I'd say safe numbers to have are 0-1 and 10< respectively.
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Post by: King Pariah
Didn't the Oldcron codex state that Pariahs were roughly 1 per planet/hiveworld?
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Post by: Avatar 720
They're ~1 per planet per generation, but just because one is born doesn't mean it'll survive. In fact, Blank and Pariahs are more vulnerable to dying young due to the very nature of their effect on those around them; not just Psykers are affected, even non-Psykers are actively repulsed by their presence, and they can be hunted down and killed because of how they make other people feel about them.
If a Blank or Pariah is born in a Hive City and not detected right away, chances are that he or she will be murdered by people who were turned on them by their very presence.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
This... this is absurd. I recommend that Exterminatus be applied against the Stardust Empire so that this maddeningly idiotic material burns.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
 Arcsquad12 wrote:This... this is absurd. I recommend that Exterminatus be applied against the Stardust Empire so that this maddeningly idiotic material burns.
You might want to weigh in on the discussion here in that case:
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Sturmkrieg eletion_nomination/Noticeboard
He is in the process of redoing it, but if he doesn't get it done within like a week or a month, odds are it'll all be deleted by the admins. And we are very democratic there, so if you get like six people saying it has to go, that would probably do it.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
 Avatar 720 wrote:Are we talking about Blanks here? Or Pariahs? They're both essentially anti-psykers, but Blanks are noticeably less effective against Psykers than are Pariahs, and are also likely more common (although they're still infinitely rarer than Psykers). Bear in mind that the largest recorded group of Blanks in canon fluff, and outside Imperial Assassins and the Sisters of Silence, numbered only two dozen or so (Eisenhorn's 'Distaff'), so a large gathering of Blanks really shouldn't pass that number, otherwise you run the risk of people wondering why this large group of Blanks hasn't been mentioned before in fluff. If, for example, someone wrote about how an Ultramarine single-handedly destroyed an entire Waaagh!, you'd expect the SM Codex to talk about it, or for it to be at least mentioned somewhere. Depending upon whether you want Pariahs or Blanks, I'd say safe numbers to have are 0-1 and 10< respectively.
There's blanks, that are basically Tau equivalent. They don't have anti psychic abilities, and aren't immune. The local population has a higher than normal number of Pariahs due to genetic anomalies. Most of them do not have significant anti psychic abilities, similar to what you mentioned about blanks. They are immune to psychic powers, but don't broadcast any area of disruption. You can read more about them here. Keep in mind that I haven't updated the numbers in that article, and that they should all be an order of magnitude lower. http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Psychic_nulls_in_the_Sturmkrieg_Sektor Keep in mind that Dan Abnett was the one who created Pariahs in the first place. I was discussing the issue of numbers with Dondrekhan and a few people at our FLGS, and he pointed that out. Other people generally don't care about have a local exceptionality, generally under the following conditions: 1) I acknowledge the drawbacks of having a non-psychic race, 2) I create a good and interesting backstory for what they do with their abilities, not have Mary Sue "lets go kill all the daemons" nonsense, 3) I don't do anything silly like make everyone a pariah. Also, when asking about this, people have said that it's good to make an abnormality like having more nulls than usual because it makes the story interesting to read. I also talked to one of the former GW staff members who was very knowledgeable about the background and he said that it would be alright as long as I still kept it rare; he warded me off of one of my old idea of having like half the population be null; that was a bit silly. I don't really see why it would be impossible for a very remote population to develop some unusual trait, like having more nulls than usual. I follow good writing practices and don't give them psykers, meaning that they have to deal with the drawbacks of being non psychic, rather than having the best of both worlds. [EDIT] I just reduced the number of nulls in that article. Here's the previous revision to show how many I had before I just reduced it: http://en.sturmkrieg.com/index.php?title=Psychic_nulls_in_the_Sturmkrieg_Sektor&oldid=3962
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Post by: Arcsquad12
I don't think you quite get it. Dark Emperor's writing is horrendous, and frankly his attitude towards other people or criticism of his work is terrible.
Right now you aren't doing much better. Changing minutiae won't fix the fundamental problems with your fluff. If you want your writing to fit with the rest of the 40K verse, you need to play within the rules of the setting.
Taking criticism by screaming in All Caps and then trying to justify your writing repeatedly after being told what is wrong means you aren't learning.
Likewise, just changing tiny bits and pieces doesn't fix other things. Changing a name or a number means nothing if it doesn't adhere to the restrictions of the setting.
A total rewrite is needed. Not a revision, not an alteration, but burning the entire thing to the ground and building from the ground up. And learn how to take criticism.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Arcsquad12 wrote:I don't think you quite get it. Dark Emperor's writing is horrendous, and frankly his attitude towards other people or criticism of his work is terrible.
Right now you aren't doing much better. Changing minutiae won't fix the fundamental problems with your fluff. If you want your writing to fit with the rest of the 40K verse, you need to play within the rules of the setting.
Taking criticism by screaming in All Caps and then trying to justify your writing repeatedly after being told what is wrong means you aren't learning.
Likewise, just changing tiny bits and pieces doesn't fix other things. Changing a name or a number means nothing if it doesn't adhere to the restrictions of the setting.
A total rewrite is needed. Not a revision, not an alteration, but burning the entire thing to the ground and building from the ground up. And learn how to take criticism.
Is this directed at me or Dark Emperor?
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Post by: Arcsquad12
Its directed to both of you. You want to really take this off? Dark Emperor has to go. It might be a collaborative effort on your part but he doesn't seem to see it that way. This is what I got from the discussion link.
Captain 642 Do you mind if i ask you a question. Who do you think Posted my Fluff to Dakka Dakka? and It Was not Me Plus this is FAN fiction. There For I have the ability to write what i like BUT you think that it should Go cause People think it is Crap. That is a load of bull, But i have begun to change my stuff and i never wanted what i wrote to be final however If you wish To destroy an Idea of mine then that is uncalled for and it is not right. I want More then Just what the People On Daka Daka Say. I wrote the Fluff So Come to me and Not go on What the people of Dakka Dakka say. And i agree with Lord Kesharq and Inquisitor Ehrenstein.
He goes looking for criticism, receives it, and tosses it aside. Dakka Dakka says his work sucks, "screw them! Their opinions don't matter, we'll just get our validation from everyone else!"
And then there is you, Ehrenstein. You keep standing up for him and quietly trying to fix the problem, but a simple fix just isn't going to cut it. Any amount of minor edits won't do a damn thing in the long run if the fundamentals are still broken. To use an analogy. this is like Bioware trying to fix Mass Effect 3's ending, not by actually fixing the flaws, but adding new material to try and justify them.
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Post by: Avatar 720
Having people with little or no warp presence is all well and good in theory, but the Tau are the only documented race that have that, and they have it for good reasons: they are a small Empire; they were unheard of for many, many years and paid no heed; they don't plunge themselves into the Warp to travel and they have no connection whatsoever with the forces of Chaos.
Humanity, however, is the exact opposite of all of that. They are a huge force; they have spread their influence throughout the Galaxy and it's unlikely that you'll even find notable Xeno races that haven't come into contact with the Imperium, or at least heard of the Humans; they travel through the Warp on a regular basis; they are regularly corrupted by the Ruinous Powers and their emotions and actions feed the power of the Chaos Gods. To have an entire sector of Humans without a warp presence makes very little sense at all considering their actions and the fact that they are human.
Genetic anomalies also can't reasonably be used as an argument for more Pariahs, otherwise the Inqusition would already own the entire sector, if not purely for the fact that so many humans have little or no warp presence. The numbers of Pariahs would be a godsend against not only the force of Chaos, but also that of Eldar, the Tyranids, and to a lesser extent, the Orks, because who knows how the power of the Waaagh! reacts to the Pariah gene.
I know how interesting so many psychic-immune or warp-immune people would be, but if you want to keep it even loosely within the realms of believable fluff, the numbers have to fiercly culled, and you'll have to rethink these humans-without-warp-presence that I'm assuming you mean when you say Tau-equivilant. Humans are one of the largest non-Daemon presences in the Warp, if not the largest due to how they utilise it.
The way I see it, you have two options: keep the numbers and have the entire sector under the lock and key of the Inquisition (such a gathering of warp-presenceless humans could not possibly be missed, even on the Eastern Fringe), or nuke the numbers, and by that I mean about 1 Gamma level at most, and 200 Omega level at most, with the rest fitting between. It could be argued that this few could go unnoticed, or if noticed, be deemed as too valuable to remove from duty, lest the entire sector be put in danger.
Anything more and you'll have to come up with a believable reason as to why they haven't all been recruited into the Sisters of Silence or the Inquisition, or even killed in case they become corrupted by some other power or otherwise turn against Humanity. You'll also have to come up with a way of explaining how this genetic anomaly isn't being studied and applied throughout Humanity to essentially breed blanks for use against Chaos, and how it only affects this sector.
You'll also need to justify how 1 in every 700 people in the sector are Blanks, when Blanks are noted as being infinitely rarer than Psykers, who are even rarer than 1 in 700 throughout the entire Imperium.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Thanks for your reply, I get to soon.
Idea for FTL travel
Attach phone line to Eldar ship
Wait for it to go through the Webway
Connect to teleporter
Email ships to teleporter across the galaxy
Problem, Navigators?
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Post by: purplefood
That'd work assuming Eldar are either complicit or stupid.
Since they are usually neither when it comes to the affairs of mankind we can assume it wouldn't work.
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Post by: Lewisito
yeah id have to say it would not as there not that stupid...shame..,the prince of pleasure could have done a better job!
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Post by: blood reaper
I've had a look over the way DarkEmperor reacted to the proposed deletion of his article.
You think that is anyway to act on a wiki?
Aren't you the owner of wiki, can't you simply tell him that it's going to be deleted until he has changed it?
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
 blood reaper wrote:I've had a look over the way DarkEmperor reacted to the proposed deletion of his article.
You think that is anyway to act on a wiki?
Aren't you the owner of wiki, can't you simply tell him that it's going to be deleted until he has changed it?
While Dark Emperor's behavior certainly has been hostile and at times has not been consistent with civility, I do not think that he has been expressly hostile enough to warrant an ANI intervention or block.
I'm not actually the only owner of it, plus I'm also not the only bureaucrat (leadership/executive position) on that wiki. We also try to do things democratically as well. Captain 627 has also seemed to have taken up the job of requesting reform or deletion. My main focus recently has also been on de.sturmkrieg.com, with less focus on this particular wiki.
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: blood reaper wrote:I've had a look over the way DarkEmperor reacted to the proposed deletion of his article.
You think that is anyway to act on a wiki?
Aren't you the owner of wiki, can't you simply tell him that it's going to be deleted until he has changed it?
While Dark Emperor's behavior certainly has been hostile and at times has not been consistent with civility, I do not think that he has been expressly hostile enough to warrant an ANI intervention or block.
I'm not actually the only owner of it, plus I'm also not the only bureaucrat (leadership/executive position) on that wiki. We also try to do things democratically as well. Captain 627 has also seemed to have taken up the job of requesting reform or deletion. My main focus recently has also been on de.sturmkrieg.com, with less focus on this particular wiki.
Not a ban, but you and the other admins should realise that the allowance of poor quality stuff can ruin everything, look at Warhammer 40,000 Fanon wiki.
It begun with the AT's and rampant Xeno mary sue hybrid crap.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
We wouldn't ban him for that, but maybe block for a few days if there was any serious behavior. The OTT content and wanting to be taken seriously is the reason why we are enforcing that this change or be deleted.
Does the Warhammer 40,000 Fanon Wiki have a lot of really bad content?
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Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:We wouldn't ban him for that, but maybe block for a few days if there was any serious behavior. The OTT content and wanting to be taken seriously is the reason why we are enforcing that this change or be deleted.
Does the Warhammer 40,000 Fanon Wiki have a lot of really bad content?
I'd say the quality of the stuff has dropped, and the feel and nature of 40k is gone.
I never said ban ether, but I simply meant warnings.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Here's something I've wondered about:
When a fictional universe gets created, does it actually exist somewhere, it some dimension?
Or would the number of nearly infinite parallel universes resulting from decisions mean that any fictional universe created exists somewhere?
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Post by: purplefood
In some metaphysical theories yes...
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So that would mean that according to those theories, the Stardust Empire exists?
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Post by: blood reaper
Possibly.
Prepare all Nuclear weapons, destroy the abomination with fire and flames.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
*Nuclear Launch Detected*
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Post by: Trondheim
No it means your all foolish mortals in need of a violent death, followed by nuclear fire storms. But to keep this civil perhaps it dose in some rather horrid galaxy hopefully faaaaaaaaar away from anything I even remotely enjoy
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I've also heard that parallel universes exist in the same 3D space; if you travel far enough, you'll eventually come to a parellel version of the Earth. So technically if this is correct...
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:I've also heard that parallel universes exist in the same 3D space; if you travel far enough, you'll eventually come to a parellel version of the Earth. So technically if this is correct...
Then your friend has created the greatest threat to mankind.
It must be destroyed.
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Post by: purplefood
This is all theoretical though.
The idea is that in an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities so literally anything could happen...
Ironically it can never be proved or disproved because we'll never know if the universe is an infinite universe or not...
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Post by: blood reaper
purplefood wrote:This is all theoretical though.
The idea is that in an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities so literally anything could happen...
Ironically it can never be proved or disproved because we'll never know if the universe is an infinite universe or not...
We can't take that chance.
Fire everything everywhere that we can possibly reach.
For the menace lurks somewhere......
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
According to this, it wouldn't matter if Dark Emperor wrote about it or not, or if we deleted it, as it would exist anyway.
But yeah, there is an oh gak moment when you realize that according to a major theory, the Stardust Empire actually exists somewhere.
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Post by: Avatar 720
It also means that somewhere, somehow, I'm having Purple's babies.
It's stuff like that that gives me hope.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
purplefood wrote:It was pretty German but yours is more OTT than that is...
That army has a German feel to it whereas you smash the reader in the face with the German-ness.
Would this font make it look less German?
http://www.dafont.com/kremlin.font
I'm still working on finding a good one. Red October looked like it would be good, since it was purely style and didn't have improper Cyrillic letters or backwards letters, but whoever created it though it would be cute to replace © and ® with Communist symbols.
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: purplefood wrote:It was pretty German but yours is more OTT than that is...
That army has a German feel to it whereas you smash the reader in the face with the German-ness.
Would this font make it look less German?
http://www.dafont.com/kremlin.font
I'm still working on finding a good one. Red October looked like it would be good, since it was purely style and didn't have improper Cyrillic letters or backwards letters, but whoever created it though it would be cute to replace © and ® with Communist symbols.
It would make it look Russian.
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Post by: purplefood
It's not the font. It's the names of things...
You seem to have mixed WWII Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany to make a society that is loads of both... and it isn't particularly subtle either. I mean it doesn't have to be but you seem to be very heavy handed with it.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
So if I change the names, that should help the problem?
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Post by: purplefood
As long as you change the blank thing as well and be a touch subtler with the names it'd be better overall... IMO anyway...
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Ok. I'll work on that then. I can also see what other people think about the changes too.
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As I was looking over the world wide campaign, I remembered the massive map I started working on for the invasion of the Stardust Empire- 34 worlds and many territories per world. At some point after this world wide campaign, we could do one for the War of the Emperors. I don't think there's any shortage of people who would be interested in eliminating the Stardust Empire.
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Post by: Lewisito
Holy hell that stuff is real.... were doomed xD
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Post by: Azariah Kyras
This still exists?
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
I am running a campaign to purge the Stardust Empire, if anyone is interested, it's here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/480741.page
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Well one of the other admins said that it's going to get completely deleted if it doesn't get cleaned up by the 20th.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
I'm interested and signed up.
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Post by: Trondheim
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Well one of the other admins said that it's going to get completely deleted if it doesn't get cleaned up by the 20th.
Good news then
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Today is the deadline.
That means we'll be moving through and removing articles that weren't improved sufficiently. We'll probably have a brief discussion on the associated talk page for each article whether it made the improvements necessary.
You all are free to give us your input on which articles are good and which aren't.
http://en.sturmkrieg.com/SKNN
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
We worked out a compromise between our interests in canon consistent fanon and Dark Emperor's desire to create his own fluff without interference. We will be deleting the Stardust Empire articles from Sturmkrieg, and have created a separate wiki for the Dark Emperor to write about the Stardust Empire in what ever way he chooses. He will be the administrator of it. We will each pursue our goals; we will work toward a comprehensive and generally consistent 40k fanon encyclopedia, and we will be able to create the Stardust Empire as he wants.
http://stardustempire.sturmkrieg.com/wiki/Main_Page
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:We worked out a compromise between our interests in canon consistent fanon and Dark Emperor's desire to create his own fluff without interference. We will be deleting the Stardust Empire articles from Sturmkrieg, and have created a separate wiki for the Dark Emperor to write about the Stardust Empire in what ever way he chooses. He will be the administrator of it. We will each pursue our goals; we will work toward a comprehensive and generally consistent 40k fanon encyclopedia, and we will be able to create the Stardust Empire as he wants.
http://stardustempire.sturmkrieg.com/wiki/Main_Page
Have you erm seen the main page, Inquisitor, I would suggest you have a look.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
I'll admit. I did laugh.
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Post by: motyak
What does pingers mean? here it is slang for ecstasy pills...so that makes no sense edit: or maybe it makes perfect sense
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Schadenfreude. I wonder if he realizes that it publicly recorded his IP address. EDIT: I'm not sure I want to take the time to clean it up.
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:Schadenfreude.
I wonder if he realizes that it publicly recorded his IP address.
EDIT: I'm not sure I want to take the time to clean it up.
Nah, it's far too funny. Let Emperor rage quit, it will be even more funny.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
 blood reaper wrote: Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:Schadenfreude. I wonder if he realizes that it publicly recorded his IP address. EDIT: I'm not sure I want to take the time to clean it up.
Nah, it's far too funny. Let Emperor rage quit, it will be even more funny.
You think so? That might be a bit cruel. I did think it was funny, but seriously...
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Post by: blood reaper
Emperor will be able to fix it, I think.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
LOL. As long as he's willing to learn admin skills, which he should. Feth it. I have enough wikis to deal with. I'm not babysitting this one. It's not hard to learn how to be a sysop.
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Post by: blood reaper
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
LOL. As long as he's willing to learn admin skills, which he should. Feth it. I have enough wikis to deal with. I'm not babysitting this one. It's not hard to learn how to be a sysop.
Your vandal probably has a dynamic proxy.
I'll get to the Judgement of Carrion and find out who the traitor is,
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
blood reaper wrote: Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote: LOL. As long as he's willing to learn admin skills, which he should. Feth it. I have enough wikis to deal with. I'm not babysitting this one. It's not hard to learn how to be a sysop.
Your vandal probably has a dynamic proxy. I'll get to the Judgement of Carrion and find out who the traitor is,
I've got a few theories. I noticed that he uses a proxy. His email address matches one used to make several insulting comments at Sturmkrieg. Not sure if it's actually his real name. EDIT: http://stardustempire.sturmkrieg.com/w/index.php?title=Stardust_Empire_Wiki:Community_portal&oldid=829 LOL, he used your signature.
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Post by: Sturmwächter
I will be deleting the .sturmkrieg.com domain of the Stardust Empire Wiki. I don't think it's beneficial for Sturmkrieg to be associated with it. If Inquisitor Ehrenstein so wants, it can use a .sashaweb.net domain.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
I still have no idea what you guys were trying to accomplish with this in the first place.
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Post by: LooT
Wow, I thought the Micronational community was bad for all the grumbling and moaning. Sheesh....
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Post by: Arcsquad12
The hell is wrong with your forums? You have a topic titled "Matt Ward and Abortion", and your only comment on it is "Discuss".
http://forum.sturmkrieg.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26
Naturally the only response is someone calling out just how bad this entire project is.
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Post by: blood reaper
I think we should let Sturmkrieg die, it isn't very popular and those supporting it will hopefully just loose interest.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
Morbid curiosity more than anything. The last big thing to happen was when a vandal defaced the wiki. I wanted to see what it was like in the back rooms. I'd never register there, but lurking is always fun.
Until you find stuff like Matt Ward Abortions, that is.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
 Sturmwächter wrote:I will be deleting the .sturmkrieg.com domain of the Stardust Empire Wiki. I don't think it's beneficial for Sturmkrieg to be associated with it. If Inquisitor Ehrenstein so wants, it can use a .sashaweb.net domain.
You posted this on the project forum, that was enough. There is no reason to bring it up here. All you're doing by announcing that here is creating a spectacle and feeding the cycle of Stardust hate. Yes, it's awful, has near troll levels of Mary Sue, and made even the worst parts of the Sturmkrieg background look mundane, but you don't need to be gloating about its demise.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Arcsquad12 wrote:I still have no idea what you guys were trying to accomplish with this in the first place.
Are you referring to the Stardust Empire wiki? If so, I didn't want to completely delete everything Dark Emperor wrote since he's a friend and he obviously has trouble with his stories. At the same time, we didn't want it on Sturmkrieg because it conflicted with our goal of creating a fanfic encyclopedia with somewhat regulated fanfiction to make sure it's generally canon consistent and free of Mary Sues and other silliness that turn people away from fanfiction in general. It really conflicted with that.
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 Lord of Timbraxia wrote:Wow, I thought the Micronational community was bad for all the grumbling and moaning. Sheesh....
What exactly is that?
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Arcsquad12 wrote:Morbid curiosity more than anything. The last big thing to happen was when a vandal defaced the wiki. I wanted to see what it was like in the back rooms. I'd never register there, but lurking is always fun.
Until you find stuff like Matt Ward Abortions, that is.
The vandalism was funny, but it was also fairly fethed up considering the fact that Dark Emperor obviously has problems. While the Stardust Empire is terrible, you don't have to read it. There's no need to go out of your way to go ruin sth for some developmentally challenged kid just because you don't like it.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
The Stardust Empire did not fit in 40k and did not fit with out goal. We decided to delete it after giving the writer many chances to alter it. That is all that needs to be said. We don't need to revisit it. We only need to not let gak like that fly again.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
That doesn't explain why YOU, or someone using your username decided to make a topic about Matt Ward and abortion.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
It was trolling. I'm locking the discussion.
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Post by: LooT
Micronationalism is obscure (yes, more obscure than the belov'd man dollies, gawd bless 'em).
www.microwiki.org. uk is one of the main communities.
Micronations are unrecognised nations made for simulation or secession purposes. Basically bedroom-countries
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Lord of Timbraxia wrote:Micronationalism is obscure (yes, more obscure than the belov'd man dollies, gawd bless 'em). www.microwiki.org. uk is one of the main communities. Micronations are unrecognised nations made for simulation or secession purposes. Basically bedroom-countries
I think that would be fun to do, though I'd only be semi serious. I did sth like that in high school, except we had a hypothetical country in North America, so the real hardcore micronation people might say that we're just roleplaying. EDIT I have way too much creativity. I want to do this. Except it's going to be a buzz kill if the other people are really intense and I don't want to be associated with them.
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Post by: Arcsquad12
You know what? Forget it. Forget shutting this down, forget anyone telling you it's a bad idea. I want you to keep doing this, you insane, deluded nutjob. I'd be depriving myself of entertainment otherwise.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Arcsquad12 wrote:You know what? Forget it. Forget shutting this down, forget anyone telling you it's a bad idea. I want you to keep doing this, you insane, deluded nutjob. I'd be depriving myself of entertainment otherwise.
What exactly are you talking about? I told you I'm deleting the Stardust Empire. What Dark Emperor does on his own wiki unassoicated from us is his business.
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Post by: LooT
I think that would be fun to do, though I'd only be semi serious. I did sth like that in high school, except we had a hypothetical country in North America, so the real hardcore micronation people might say that we're just roleplaying.
Semi-serious is good. One of the most popular Micronations is a US semi-serious nation, who's led by an 'emperor' who is a medical assistant irl, and has a Warhammer army spread across his citizens
Also, a holiday called Topin Wagglegammon. You can't go wrong with Topin Wagglegammon.
Come along and say hi. We use Skype as much as the wiki and the forum. We're always open to new blood, so to speak.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Lord of Timbraxia wrote:I think that would be fun to do, though I'd only be semi serious. I did sth like that in high school, except we had a hypothetical country in North America, so the real hardcore micronation people might say that we're just roleplaying.
Semi-serious is good. One of the most popular Micronations is a US semi-serious nation, who's led by an 'emperor' who is a medical assistant irl, and has a Warhammer army spread across his citizens
Also, a holiday called Topin Wagglegammon. You can't go wrong with Topin Wagglegammon.
Come along and say hi. We use Skype as much as the wiki and the forum. We're always open to new blood, so to speak.
So his Warhammer army is the national army?
I think that would be fun.
The wiki uses long URLs which is a bit ... It seems to be in the domain root so the page titles could be accessible from /pagename, which is convenient. I have a solution that I can suggest.
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
This reminds me of one of the Aschknas flags
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Post by: LooT
You could use those flags if you wanted. I'd suggest going on random pages on the wiki, so you see some of the Micronations. Most of them are only a few years old, and serious-ish, but I'm sure we'll get along all dandy
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Lord of Timbraxia wrote:You could use those flags if you wanted. I'd suggest going on random pages on the wiki, so you see some of the Micronations. Most of them are only a few years old, and serious-ish, but I'm sure we'll get along all dandy
I'd do that, except GW has a policy against using their IP with any third party IP, and they specifically state that includes your own IP.
I like the new Dongmailia flag better than that one. It looks better to have the same colors without literally having the German Empire flag.
I think it will be fine. What I was concerned about are people who would list president/dictator/whatever on a job application as their personal experience. Apperently Chris-Chan lists "Mayor of CWCville" as an actual position that he has experience with.
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Post by: LooT
Nah, we aren't that stupid. Most of us (besides a few nutjobs, including some fellow who we banned because he claims half of Asia and claims to be leading a revolution.... *sigh*) recognise that this is a simulation and a hobby at the end of the day. You won't see us using our Micronational passports to get through Gatwick
"Sorry sir, but this is not a recognised passport..."
'BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF BOBLAND!'
We have a few running jokes in the community, particularly of nutters from times past
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Post by: LooT
I'd say get on the forum and introduce yourself if you're interested, maybe PM me your Skype address if you wanted in to some of the chatrooms too 
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Post by: blood reaper
So it's a mix of Israel, Germany and Russia?
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Lord of Timbraxia wrote:Nah, we aren't that stupid. Most of us (besides a few nutjobs, including some fellow who we banned because he claims half of Asia and claims to be leading a revolution.... *sigh*) recognise that this is a simulation and a hobby at the end of the day. You won't see us using our Micronational passports to get through Gatwick
"Sorry sir, but this is not a recognised passport..."
'BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF BOBLAND!'
We have a few running jokes in the community, particularly of nutters from times past
That guy sounds entertaining.
Would you say that it was the equivalent of the Stardust Empire?
Do you have any links to this?
I'll get on the forum.
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Post by: LooT
Unfortunately no. The fellow got banhammered (our phrase for getting banned), went to another wiki, got banned there, came back, banhammered again, and now has tried to make his own wiki on . cc, that Google no longer picks up. We don't hear from him now
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Post by: Inquisitor Ehrenstein
Lord of Timbraxia wrote:Unfortunately no. The fellow got banhammered (our phrase for getting banned), went to another wiki, got banned there, came back, banhammered again, and now has tried to make his own wiki on . cc, that Google no longer picks up. We don't hear from him now
Wow... What wiki did he go to? You mean he had a . cc address for the wiki, or is that a webhosting thing?
Was this one of the serious people?
I'm trying to decide how I want to do my websites. Either my own server and I can have total control over the webpages and such, or I can use Google Sites and have slightly less control but a lot of stuff will be pre setup and I can have more than three domain levels so I can do something like state-ministry.zh.sashaweb.net, where .zh is a pretend country code TLD and the sashaweb.net part is ignored.
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Post by: LooT
Are you on the forum yet? a few chaps could help, more so if I introduced you to the Skype community too. It generally pays to work with people when you're completely new to Micronationalism. I learnt that the hard way
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Post by: Janthkin
Keep it civil and on-topic, folks.
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Whoops, sorry. Will take it to PM 
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