Just got my Feb White Dwarf through post this morning and firs thing was to look on edge of the WD magazine...

So if you join Jan Feb WD together, then some picture is drawing up. I recon chaos space marine or templar?

What you think?
I never seen anything like this on WD so is probably preparing us to something big!

Hmm.... does look Templar-ish..

Looks green and with a robe... Dark Angels?

If you also paint lemon juice on the back cover of your WD it will show you a map that will lead underneath Warhammer- World to a vault and in that vault are the Tyranid 2nd wave and 6th Ed Squats

Actually, I think it might be a DA. You can see the robes around his legs.

Gornall wrote:Looks green and with a robe... Dark Angels?

I agree entirely.

Yeah does look more DA actually. Thought the green was just from the lighting.

I spotted it too. I think its definitely Dark Angels.

Maybe a spoiler of things to come?

Johnny-Crass wrote:If you also paint lemon juice on the back cover of your WD it will show you a map that will lead underneath Warhammer- World to a vault and in that vault are the Tyranid 2nd wave and 6th Ed Squats

heeh good one, but does not work :(

Now, ask your self a question, why would GW did that ? Without reason generating this extra cost of print/drawing ?

Dont thinks so, is just pure marketing. As WD is only based on this strategy, is something new on horison.

I agree that it's probably DA, as it is going to be a few more issues before the picture is completed, and by that time the DA codex should be ready.

Heck, didn't even notice that. Immediately put my WDs together to check that it out.

I don't know if it's Dark Angels actually, if you look close above the pauldron, you see a skull, which could be from a chaos backpack.

With those cables, I'm saying chaos.

reds8n wrote:

Gornall wrote:Looks green and with a robe... Dark Angels?

I agree entirely.

As do I!

Might be wistful thinking on my part though.

juraigamer wrote:With those cables, I'm saying chaos.

Id be inclined to say chaos as well. Would make sense, since chaos is heavily rumored to be early in the next edition, possibly in the main box set.

Looks like a spikey skull on the back pauldron.

Good find!

Also looks like Chaos to me. That right pauldron is coarse and raised. Also, it looks like you can get a glimpse of the marine's head or skull-backpack. And robes could mean anything. We could see more robed Chaos figures, I'm sure.

With there being skulls under their feet, I am wondering if the "skull" above the shoulder is part of a backdrop/background.

Is this GWs attempt at viral marketing

It may well be a Dark Angel, but I suspect it's a cunning hint for 6th Ed.

I would say probably not chaos to my eye, straight edge pauldron rim, robes, general lack of spikey...

Not sure DA or BT, but would be bloody shocked if it was anything else... just imo though.

Redemption wrote:Heck, didn't even notice that. Immediately put my WDs together to check that it out.

I don't know if it's Dark Angels actually, if you look close above the pauldron, you see a skull, which could be from a chaos backpack.

Not to be a jerk, but I'd suggest you take a peek at the Dark Angels sprues.

One of the backpacks actually has a skull in lieu of the vents

The cabling as well might point towards something else, but when you look at most GW artwork there's a lot of stuff which doesn't appear on the actual models.

Huh, I never even noticed DA had a skull pack... good point dude.

To me it looks more like a Dark Angel than anything else. All of the visible armour is smooth except for the shoulder pad detailing - Chaos marines typically have raised edges on the amour forming obvious 'points' mirroring the shape of the points on a Chaos star.

Coupled with the dark green colouring and the lighter shade of the robes, DA gets my vote.


Either way, given that rumour has DA vs Chaos as the 6th ed box game, both would be plausible and it would be an intruiging (if subtle) confirmation...

All the cabling and the style of shoulder pad puts me in the mind of an Iron Warrior. Though if it wasn't for the cabling and the metal arm look I'd agree with Dark Angel.

Ah, true I guess. Although the skull in the picture has a spike on its forehead, which makes it more chaosy. There's also something above the skull, perhaps the actual exhaust vent. On the other hand, chaos exhausts usually stick out further.

I guess we'll have to wait for the March issue, or until someone finds the original artwork.

Either Chaos or DA related, though the robe seems to lean more towards DA...

;(

Cypher - chaos and Dark Angel.

Have a feeling this discussion is going to become a News and Rumour fixture on the last weekend of every month

It's not really a "spike on its forehead" from the looks of it Redemption. If you look, it appears to be a kind of "band" of spikes.

Take a peek at the cover of the Dark Angels codex or Azrael the Chapter Master. They both have something similar going on, albeit the skull is turned to the side.

Something to keep in mind though is that the Dark Angels have always had a more "Chaotic" appearance in their artwork. Part of it is because of their description of utilizing a lot of older Marks of armor, reflecting their "First Legion" status.

This hinting does make me happy though. Even if it's just something silly, at least the Unforgiven are not the Forgotten.

Has to be DA.

Come on heavy weapon terminators...

/wishlisting

Kanluwen wrote:It's not really a "spike on its forehead" from the looks of it Redemption. If you look, it appears to be a kind of "band" of spikes.

Take a peek at the cover of the Dark Angels codex or Azrael the Chapter Master. They both have something similar going on, albeit the skull is turned to the side.

Something to keep in mind though is that the Dark Angels have always had a more "Chaotic" appearance in their artwork. Part of it is because of their description of utilizing a lot of older Marks of armor, reflecting their "First Legion" status.

This hinting does make me happy though. Even if it's just something silly, at least the Unforgiven are not the Forgotten.

Seeing the Dark Angels codex cover, yeah I guess you're right. The rest of the armour doesn't look very chaos-like at least.

I think you guys are looking too much into it.

If I had to guess it would be an image of a Space Marine that is completed when you group all 12 of 2012's WD issues together; a nifty way to commemorate the 25th anniversary of 40k.

No one is really saying that this is definitive proof, SonicPara.

Even if it's just a coincidence, it is nifty.

Also as a sidenote, I think I've seen this artwork somewhere before. I'll be hunting for it. It looks so familiar that it's going to be bugging me all day.

SonicPara wrote:I think you guys are looking too much into it.

Us? Rumor-driven, news-starved, wishlisting hopefuls. . .looking too much into it?!

Could it be a DA Chaplain? Those two cables look like going into something in his hand, Crozius maybe?

Looking at it, its probably just a picture that will be made up from the white dwarfs from 2012.
Seems like the 12 magazines would finish the picture. Still cool though.

SonicPara wrote:I think you guys are looking too much into it.

If I had to guess it would be an image of a Space Marine that is completed when you group all 12 of 2012's WD issues together; a nifty way to commemorate the 25th anniversary of 40k.

Yup, this is what's happening. Buy every 2012 WD and you will get the complete picture.
The image will be something to do with 25th anniversary I'm sure.

Still sticking with my interpretations of the "Project Prisoner" rumors that the boxes set will be DA against Chaos, with the DA trying to catch a fallen angel.

Well i tprobably is linked to that, as the big thing of this year will be 6th edition, so the side picture year thing will probably be linked to the starter books.

Lorizael wrote:

SonicPara wrote:I think you guys are looking too much into it.

If I had to guess it would be an image of a Space Marine that is completed when you group all 12 of 2012's WD issues together; a nifty way to commemorate the 25th anniversary of 40k.

Yup, this is what's happening. Buy every 2012 WD and you will get the complete picture.
The image will be something to do with 25th anniversary I'm sure.

Culminating in a WD DA codex...

I really think it is just for show, when you have your WD's upon shelf. Kind of like Nintendo Power used to do with Mario

Lorizael wrote:

SonicPara wrote:I think you guys are looking too much into it.

If I had to guess it would be an image of a Space Marine that is completed when you group all 12 of 2012's WD issues together; a nifty way to commemorate the 25th anniversary of 40k.

Yup, this is what's happening. Buy every 2012 WD and you will get the complete picture.
The image will be something to do with 25th anniversary I'm sure.

Well it can't be all year as January does not have a picture on it's spine, so in truth I really do think this is building to something. Games Workshop has really put it's marketing mind to work!!!

First when I saw it with the cables and green I though Nurgle, then I saw the robes and the skull on the backpack I thought DA. At the moment both make sense to me but it has got me stumped.

My bad it is on Jan just very faint.

Aw frick, I hope it's not Dark Angels. I just bought a bunch of BT stuff!

Hes actually holding the cables. So it might be a crosius... or a thunderhammer?

Its a Dark Angel. Robes + Green + Skulls + Green Paludron with the ravenwing symbol snuck in there would mean its the DA baby!

JohnnoM wrote:Hes actually holding the cables. So it might be a crosius... or a thunderhammer?

Of course it is a Crozius, after all it is the Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplains that hunt down the fallen and then force the prisoners to confess and repent. Fitting perfectly with the Project Prisoner rumor for the 6th Edition Boxed Set and a Dark Angels vs. Chaos. It's 25 years of 40K, what better legion than the First?

When you combine all 12 WDs from 2012 and speak the words, "Matt Ward", they combine into a new DA codex.

It's how they'll be doing all their codices from now own, to up White Dwarf subs.

puma713 wrote:When you combine all 12 WDs from 2012 and speak the words, "Matt Ward", they combine into a new DA codex.

It's how they'll be doing all their codices from now own, to up White Dwarf subs.

My bet is it Is Jervis and Phil Kelly as they both are fanboys of the DA.

Hmm, clever actually, just when I thought I got out, they pull me back in.

BobTheChainsaw wrote:Aw frick, I hope it's not Dark Angels. I just bought a bunch of BT stuff!

Me too. A box of sword brethren, 5 upgrade boxes, Helbrecht, grimaldus and the limited edition emperor's champion. Oh well, still like my old book. Lol

Maybe the big reveal is that GW are turning the Dark Angels into a Chaos faction?

scarletsquig wrote:Maybe the big reveal is that GW are turning the Dark Angels into a Chaos faction?

Do not even joke about this.

scarletsquig wrote:Maybe the big reveal is that GW are turning the Dark Angels into a Chaos faction?

Well funny you may say that but in the fluff half of them did turn during the heresy, when they were the Dark Angles Legion. This would lend something to the idea that the boxed game might be the fall of the dark Angles home world. Or just the lead up to the new dark angles codex. Well I hope so anyway.

I wonder if this has anything to do with rumors of the 6th Ed. Starter containing Dark Angels...

I don't know why anyone thinks it's a Templar when he's green.

d-usa wrote:

JohnnoM wrote:Hes actually holding the cables. So it might be a crosius... or a thunderhammer?

Of course it is a Crozius, after all it is the Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplains that hunt down the fallen and then force the prisoners to confess and repent. Fitting perfectly with the Project Prisoner rumor for the 6th Edition Boxed Set and a Dark Angels vs. Chaos. It's 25 years of 40K, what better legion than the First?

bhsman wrote:I wonder if this has anything to do with rumors of the 6th Ed. Starter containing Dark Angels...

Hmmm... maybe we should ask d-usa?!?

I picked that interpretation of the rumors quite a few months ago and decided that I will ride them out until the end. Any signs that look like its plausible are happily endorsed by me.

Honestly, if I'm playing the non-anticipating card, I'd say a techmarine.

I think it's probably a DA or a BT though. Don't think it's chaos. Not enough gaudy skulls and junk, lol

Samus_aran115 wrote:Honestly, if I'm playing the non-anticipating card, I'd say a techmarine.

I think it's probably a DA or a BT though. Don't think it's chaos. Not enough gaudy skulls and junk, lol

It's a Dark Angel with a bunch of cables on his wrist. You can tell it's a Dark Angel because of the cream robe that's covering his shins. From my guess he has a plasma cannon or something. If it was a techmarine it would be red and the armor would be segmented like it is on most techmarine models.

One thing I could see them doing for the long term, more or less as a permanent WD theme, would be one long picture with one suit from each of the original legions. DA is the 1st legion is it not?

Brother SRM wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Honestly, if I'm playing the non-anticipating card, I'd say a techmarine.

I think it's probably a DA or a BT though. Don't think it's chaos. Not enough gaudy skulls and junk, lol

It's a Dark Angel with a bunch of cables on his wrist. You can tell it's a Dark Angel because of the cream robe that's covering his shins. From my guess he has a plasma cannon or something. If it was a techmarine it would be red and the armor would be segmented like it is on most techmarine models.

Yeah, that's true. Artificier armor always looks a bit different.

Give it another month. I think the head and torso should show up by then, and we'll have a good idea.

Wow.... goooood find! Thanks!

I'd say it'd be Dark Angel as well, and it's actually a really effective way to promote WD again, I might actually get a monthly subscription to collect them if they improve the content and lower the price.

For easier reference here the DA cover, indeed featuring the spiked skull backpack. Shakes my believe that skull=good and spiked_skulls=evil though

The Spanish Edition January issue has a scaled up version of the side picture, so the issues don't fit.

Anyway, interesting. I bet on DA.

Im guessing it will be on all this years issues of WD as it is the 25th Anniversary for 40K

I have the biggest smile on my face right now.

Going to have to buy this years WDs just for this.

Well it could also be fabius bile (he has robe, cables and skulls) but it will propably be DA.

See also the BoK rumour that the DA Codex is next, then 6th edition, then Chaos SM:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/411404.page

I take it this is 2 issues in the pic? Would the pic on the left be the January edition and the one on the right be the February edition?

Also this is nothing new. When there was a White Dwarf Canada, all the cover combined made a pic as well. Can't remember what the pic was. Does anyone have a link to that?

Just saying this is not the first time GW did anything like this before.

Fallen DA maybe?

DarbNilbirts wrote:One thing I could see them doing for the long term, more or less as a permanent WD theme, would be one long picture with one suit from each of the original legions. DA is the 1st legion is it not?

DA is the first legion, yeah. I could see them doing just random iconic images rather than something orderly as legions. Nintendo Power used to (might still) do this sort of panoramic thing too.

White Ninja wrote:Fallen DA maybe?

Fallen turned to Chaos when the armour was black. Green came after the fall (not like GW remembered that with Cypher).

-John

One thing I don't understand is say DA are released in April/May. So that will be what, 1/2 to 1/3 of the DA pic? So what will the remaining 7 or so months mean then? We already have DA, so why continue with them then?

I don't think this will be a DA release but you never know.

I'd absolutely LOVE April/May to be DA but it seems a little weird to me that just a week or so ago, we had 6th ed and this forum was pretty certain that Chaos/BT/Tau were next up for an update.

Fast forward a week and the 6th ed leak has been disproven (to an extent) and suddenly there's talk of DA getting a new codex and even a whole new army of Fallen! I know these are all just rumours so we never really know but things have moved and changed so much I don't know what's coming.

The Fallen thing may be that they are going to add them into a new CSM codex?

Well, it is GW's 25th anniversary right? So I would assume January-December will probably be one big mural... Based on what we have so far that is.
...and I think someone already mentioned this...

Astelan wrote:

Going to have to buy this years WDs just for this.

"Mission accomplished!"

Davor wrote:One thing I don't understand is say DA are released in April/May. So that will be what, 1/2 to 1/3 of the DA pic? So what will the remaining 7 or so months mean then? We already have DA, so why continue with them then?

To show who the DA is fighting perhaps?

timd wrote:

Davor wrote:One thing I don't understand is say DA are released in April/May. So that will be what, 1/2 to 1/3 of the DA pic? So what will the remaining 7 or so months mean then? We already have DA, so why continue with them then?

To show who the DA is fighting perhaps?

Shhhh, that's too reasonable. Also, if it switched from BT to DA in the release schedule, I'm going to ragequit and beat up a schoolbus!! Just kidding...I'll just enjoy my two wound tech marines and army wide preferred enemy longer.

timd wrote:

Davor wrote:One thing I don't understand is say DA are released in April/May. So that will be what, 1/2 to 1/3 of the DA pic? So what will the remaining 7 or so months mean then? We already have DA, so why continue with them then?

To show who the DA is fighting perhaps?

Yep. Calling it now:

WD picture is a DA on the left vs a CSM on the right.

Release order is DA, 6e/starter box, CSM

When each is released, the latest portion of the WD picture will reflect the release.

First let me say there is no disputing the fact that it is a dark angel - no one else wears green armor and tan robes! All the old art for DA has them wearing skulls and spikes. This doesn't mean they are chaos, they are just 'dark and mysterious'. I bet the first 6 issues will have the right half of a dark angel marine, the last 6 issues will be the left half of a chaosy dark angel / 'fallen'.

And I bet it all coincides with the release schedule (remember last time we got screwed though when our codex came out just prior to 5th....) See I told everyone on several different forums that the DA were coming this year and everyone shot me down! They even shut down my threads due to "no proof", then again rumors are rumors and there was no proof for the BT either. Anything could happen yet, but my faith and hope has just grown a bit in the 40k universe for my first army.

I'm still having real problems believing that DA would leap-frog BT by two years. CSM over Tau, sure. While I'm a Tau fan I see that the "villian" in the box should appeal to a larger audience...and therefore have their codex updated next.

Bottom line, be it black marines or green marines or spikey marines...possibly no Tau for awhile. Guess I'll have plenty of time to paint what I have.

Cypher is back!

That (the full set) will look good in the bookshelf, but I'm more interested in does White Dwarf still have a preview of next month and if it does, what does it show?

Crazy Theory, dark Angels will be the new poster children heading up a new Codex Space Marines Codex.

Bold or Stupid wrote:Crazy Theory, dark Angels will be the new poster children heading up a new Codex Space Marines Codex.

Probably about the same chance as the Alpha Legion being the poster children of C:SM.

Sounds like a red herring to me. If we assume that it'll take all year to complete the picture, the Dark Angel release is next year, not this year. Besides, the book Ravenwing by Gav Thorpe comes out in Jan 2013, according to black library.

And the old codex is still for sale and they haven't pulled any of the old models.

Looks close to this, not sure what the cables are though.

Deathshead420 wrote:Looks close to this, not sure what the cables are though.

Looks about as close to that as it does to any picture of a Dark Angel ever.

Pictures was just added for effect. Geeze come on guys how about how huge Calgar looks in some of the drawings and when it translates to the mini he is about the same size as other minis.

These are pics that is suppose to look cool and awsome. Just because some extra stuff was added doesn't mean it will translate to minis.

Remember, The Look of Cool.

I wonder,
To have a "Complete" Marine on the edge cover, would 12 issues do it?
12 Issues of WD would be pretty thin, if you see what I mean?

Well the DA or SM is already 1/3 or 1/4 complete, I say by June we should have a complete SM.

Thing is if DA are released what will be the second half? Chaos SM?

Noticed this last night and Dark Angles jumped straight to my mind. Having the full image build up over the year on my shelf is welcome. I like things like that. Also a nice salute to 25 years and the 6th edition of 40K.

i don't know if anyone said this yet but blood of kittens said that it is meant to be cypher

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/

I don't think he is Cypher. Cyhper has metallic wings in his backpack, also he is a gunslinger with bolt and plasma pistols, neither of them attached by two cables.

If this is supposed to be Cypher should he have the pre - heresy black armour or have i missed something ?

I think we're all reading into this a little too much...

seems vaguely like this dood

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440345a&prodId=prod1060244

Perhaps it's a new style of armor for said character? Designs do change.

Or it's just a generic Dark Angel Marine, which is almost guaranteed to be the truth. HBMC said it best.

EvilTim wrote:I wonder,
To have a "Complete" Marine on the edge cover, would 12 issues do it?
12 Issues of WD would be pretty thin, if you see what I mean?

It'll take 6 issues for the one marine to show & another 6 issues to see what figure is next to him...One side (Jan-JUn issues) Loyal DA & other (6 issues) a Fallen? Hmmmm.....

Fallen angels maybe?

Kroothawk wrote:For easier reference here the DA cover, indeed featuring the spiked skull backpack. Shakes my believe that skull=good and spiked_skulls=evil though

GW, knows not the difference between good and evil when skullz are involved.

SOOOOO hope it is DA *crosses fingers*. I think it is finally time I can stop playing out of the vanilla marines codex. If it actually is DA well I will be like......

I think it isnt chaos, if you look above the skull you can sort of make out the start of an iron halo...

Maybe they're giving us a DA list and a Fallen Angels list in the same book?

it Def's a DA for sure

I wonder if GW put these on the spines just to watch how we react.

That would first require them to acknowledge that the Internet is more than just a passing fad. It would also imply that they give a damn what their customers think.

What, you guys have been missing the MAD magazine inspired fold over rear page messages all this time?

An obvious Dark Angel, imo. The robes and the colour give him away.

Here comes the Chaos Forces...

Munga wrote:What, you guys have been missing the MAD magazine inspired fold over rear page messages all this time?

Haha yes, that must be what it is

-Loki- wrote:Maybe they're giving us a DA list and a Fallen Angels list in the same book?

IMO THIS.....

I know some Eldar players who are not happy that it would be DA getting a codex first

Seriously hope it's a sign of new codex for dark angels. Will my dreams come true? Lol

Well ... I had just started up some Necrons, but if this does end up with a new DA codex (which I would love but will wait and see) then I may have to abandon them ... hmmm so many choices.

Johnny-Crass wrote:If you also paint lemon juice on the back cover of your WD it will show you a map that will lead underneath Warhammer- World to a vault and in that vault are the Tyranid 2nd wave and 6th Ed Squats

wow running to lemon juice right now!!!!adventureland hear i come.yayyy

Think its the fallen

I would say, wait up one more issue then the answer will be straight in the face I geuss. I think it's DA too. Too non-chaos looking for me.

I would have to say Chaos. They are rumoured to be the next codex, so maybe...

TheRobotLol wrote:I would have to say Chaos. They are rumoured to be the next codex, so maybe...

You seem to have been listening to different rumour sources than, like, everyone else on the internet.

Bloody good find, I'd never have noticed that. Looks like a DA to me, I don't know of chaos running around in dresses

Could be a hint at the 6th ed starter box, equally it could just be them deciding to put pretty pictures on the side of the magazines to incentivise people to buy the mag -

Little Timmy: "Mummy mummy, buy this magazine so when I have a load of them I can see a picture on the side of it"

Man I hope matt ward is writing the next DA books! Then we'll get robe-missiles and new psychic powers like "robes of dark darkness" (all enemy models within 12" are removed from play), and cool stories like how the DA teamed up with the Dark Eldar (cause they both have dark in the name) to fight off a Necron invasion of Terra! It's going to be epic!!

Space Marine (yes).
Bionic arm (yes).
Robe (yes).
Green glow from light source? Or green armour?
Roan numeral on shoulder pad? I see an "I" and that far over it would be either XII or VII...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
xii legion is world eaters & vii is imperial fists....but I don't think that is what that might mean....

How about a "I" for 1 or the First legion aka the Dark Angels

-Loki- wrote:

TheRobotLol wrote:I would have to say Chaos. They are rumoured to be the next codex, so maybe...

You seem to have been listening to different rumour sources than, like, everyone else on the internet.

HEY i heard MANY people say csm was next. And you are the GW rumour master?... thats what I thought

Ozymandias wrote:Man I hope matt ward is writing the next DA books! Then we'll get robe-missiles and new psychic powers like "robes of dark darkness" (all enemy models within 12" are removed from play), and cool stories like how the DA teamed up with the Dark Eldar (cause they both have dark in the name) to fight off a Necron invasion of Terra! It's going to be epic!!

The Death Robefist
The Robed Deathsword
The Raven Swordclaw

Yes... or as NashVentress put it when the GK codex came out, "I'm just off to the Nemesis Doompub for a Nemesis Doompint, would you like one?"

Ozymandias wrote:Man I hope matt ward is writing the next DA books! Then we'll get robe-missiles and new psychic powers like "robes of dark darkness" (all enemy models within 12" are removed from play), and cool stories like how the DA teamed up with the Dark Eldar (cause they both have dark in the name) to fight off a Necron invasion of Terra! It's going to be epic!!

Excellent... The mind control drugs are taking effect...

Er... Keep calm and carry on, everyone!

Anyway, I do think that it's a Dark Angel for the DA vs CSM 6th edition box.

I'd have thought it'd be regular marines again, though I'd hoped for either DA or IG

It'll be glorious to have his divine hand grace the codex of the green marines.

I thought he was doing the Black Templars Codex...

Holy god. . .

wtf is going on in this thread.

puma713 wrote:Holy god. . .

wtf is going on in this thread.

I was thinking the same thing.
Must be a DCM thing.

It's a love thing.

He writes the best codices so we're here to agree with the love.

skrulnik wrote:

puma713 wrote:Holy god. . .

wtf is going on in this thread.

I was thinking the same thing.
Must be a DCM thing.

Why can't it just be about love? I mean, he gave us the best 'dexes out of all the authors, and everyone hates him for it. The least we could do is try to show our appreciation for him one day out of the year...

It looks like the "Off Topic Brigade" has decided to become the 40k equivalent of "bronies".


I think I am going to go throw up.

I'm just hoping it lives up to the grey knights codex. I'm sure it will if Mat's writing it.

For the record I actually like Matt Ward.

If we get a couple more Mat Ward codices we will have balance again, so I hope he does both the DA and the Chaos Legions. They shouldn't have to watch him as much anymore, he is ready to fly solo.

ph34r wrote:It looks like the "Off Topic Brigade" has decided to become the 40k equivalent of "bronies".


I think I am going to go throw up.

Aww, you don't need to be jealous ph34r. Here! I made you one, so you can play too!




bleh, I have to write "I will only ftp in binary mode" on the chalkboard about 50 times...

daedalus wrote:Aww, you don't need to be jealous ph34r. Here! I made you one, so you can play too!

Hahahahahaha

Sweet, everyone sharing and caring, its such a nice feeling

Ward isn't that bad a codex-writer as a whole, it's just a few rules that need nulling down. C:SM is a good example- balanced, with very few OP units.

i cant tell if this is a joke or what this Matt Ward thing is

anyway maybe OP should add in a poll i am personal interested as to what people think it is

personally i hope Chaos but it truly looks like dark angels

which is a okay with me

It sorta looks like a pic..

Mat Ward is an angel.

It's like the site has been hacked. . .

not saying hes not a good guy but i honestly cant like a guy who gave my favorite army, Chaos, a Chainsword to the heart and said eat it cause what you do good, close combat, aint good no more, Cause we do it better

No can do

but i digress any actual news on this picture?

I'm failing my Ward save.

World Eaters are Red
Ultramarines Blue
This overpowered meter
is from Mat Ward to you


I would LOVE to see The Fallen and Dark Angels in the same book. I'd also like to see them progress the storyline, and have all DA be Fallen. I don't suppose they will do that, but it would be cool.

I think that definitely looks like a Dark Angel.

But, can anyone go back and make sure White Dwarf hasn't been doing this for a long time? Perhaps they've been doing this for a while so that when you put them on a bookshelf, they look cool, and we just haven't noticed before.

Why isn't february over yet.. The Lord of the Rings curtain is much more effective than the Iron Curtain

GW uses the iron curtain to stop leaks from getting out..but the LOTR curtain blocks anyone from even wanting to know what secrets are behind it

Nah most of the time its just block colours.

Grakmar wrote:I think that definitely looks like a Dark Angel.

But, can anyone go back and make sure White Dwarf hasn't been doing this for a long time? Perhaps they've been doing this for a while so that when you put them on a bookshelf, they look cool, and we just haven't noticed before.

It's generally always block colors.

Dark Angels. GW regional manager told me so.

And they are ALWAYS right!

I don't think we need a regional manager's word when it's glaringly obvious.

But that's the only time we get a regional manager's word!

n0t_u wrote:But that's the only time we get a regional manager's word!

True that.

Is there any rumor at all on who is writing this one? I dont think it could be Ward seeing as how he was on crons. Probably Kelly... Hopefully. I like my DA fluff the way it is

I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Really? Because Wolves, Orks, and Eldar (when they first came out) have/had many different builds that can be effective. Orks are an older army that can still do very well. I guess if you like having your characters carve names into demon primarchs and BA teaming up with necrons then have at it. In every book that Ward writes there's a new "Best fighter/tactician" in the galaxy award. It went from Calgar to Donte to Draigo to Stormlord. His fluff is terrible and other than GKs his armies arent great

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Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

And with that I think I can here Satan skating to work today. Matt Ward love in dakkadakka thread, you heard it here first. I see your point but personally i'd like to see kelly write it even if it does turn a little samey as the old dex. They are good as they are mostly we don't need a complete rethink or anything silly.

I really hope ward doesnt get orks when their time comes. Thraka would be teaming up with Yarrick and female orks would pop up outta no where

I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

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daedalus wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with Kan on something, but what can I say? When you're right, you're right. Ward is the best bet for a solid codex, even if it does get goofy sometimes.

And with that I think I can here Satan skating to work today. Matt Ward love in dakkadakka thread, you heard it here first. I see your point but personally i'd like to see kelly write it even if it does turn a little samey as the old dex. They are good as they are mostly we don't need a complete rethink or anything silly.

And i dont Hate Matt Ward. Im currently playing BA and they're my Favorite (play style wise) army in the game. It takes tactics to win with BA with all the GKs running about. And to be fair i also have a GK army. I just dont like his fluff and his codices are incredibly inconsistent. The only really good codex he has is GK

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Seconded.

Please keep the Phail guy busy doing Dreadfeet 2 or whatever.

Grakmar wrote:I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

Thunderwolves and Mowgli-Marine? Thunderhawk stealing Blood Claws? Black-holes-in-a-box? Seriously, compared to the drivel Kelly writes, Ward's fluff is pure Shakespeare.

Kanluwen wrote:I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

So, what's your argument?

Chosen Praetorian wrote:I really hope ward doesnt get orks when their time comes. Thraka would be teaming up with Yarrick and female orks would pop up outta no where

Back in the early days of 40k fluff, the Imperium would have Commisars work and live with Ork Warlords in order to direct their efforts away from the Imperium and there were female Orks. The old White Dwarf issues ran articles on that sort of thing.

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

Zweischneid wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't know why in the world you'd want it to be Kelly.

He's far too inconsistent with how he writes books. If every book he wrote was at the quality of Space Wolves OR Dark Eldar OR Orks OR Eldar, there'd be no big deal. But the fact remains that he's written that many books and out of those only two have the excuse of having been written with Blandhammer in mind.

Personally? I want Ward writing my book. I can live with a few silly pieces of fluff if I get an army where I can do multiple effective builds.

Seconded.

Please keep the Phail guy busy doing Dreadfeet 2 or whatever.

Grakmar wrote:I think the best codex writer is actually a combination.

Have Ward do the rules, have Kelly do the fluff.

Thunderwolves and Mowgli-Marine? Thunderhawk stealing Blood Claws? Black-holes-in-a-box? Seriously, compared to the drivel Kelly writes, Ward's fluff is pure Shakespeare.

Well I'll be sure not to ask what you think of the new necron fluff if thats your opinion. I agree that the wolves were out there but thats one out of 1 out of 4 for Kelly's bad fluff compared to Wards 4 for 4 for bad fluff with Everyone wanting to be and Ultramarine, Necrons teaming with BA, Draigo, and Necrons loosing all of their fluff that tied them into the imperium (void dragon) and the stormlord being the trash that he is (fluff wise). They destroyed the Adeptus Machanicus being taken over by necrons which was a huge blow for me and alot of people i know.


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Zweischneid wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

Well if you're not aware of them then maybe that says something about your gaming abilities and to be more accurate, there's only one list that you're good enough to see

Gotta say obviously a DA. Judging from the draughtmenship it is a Gallagher piece (probably expressed earlier in the thread, unless you've been uncharacteristcly lax) and comparing it to his previous DA work (i.e. the front cover of the previous edition lol) the colouration is consistant. I would put it at 5% at it not being a DA.

Zweischneid wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, because neither Space Wolves, nor Dark Eldar or Orks have more than one effective builds. Oh wait, they do.

Not that I am aware of. Space Wolves spam Long Fangs and Grey Hunters. Dark Eldar spam Ravagers and randomly filled MSU-spam (yah, you can fit your Venoms with Warriors or Wyches or whatever, but's not like it makes a difference). Orks largely have Ghaz and little else.

Kelly Codexes stand out a mile wide for the worst internal balance, the most blatant spam and the least inspired lists since the game was conceived. The guy is a blight upon the hobby like no other.

(Even though Zweischnied is reiterating sentiment already expressed, he said it best)


I had never thought about it that way, the OT part of this thread has actually been really interesting.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Well I'll be sure not to ask what you think of the new necron fluff if thats your opinion. I agree that the wolves were out there but thats one out of 1 out of 4 for Kelly's bad fluff compared to Wards 4 for 4 for bad fluff with Everyone wanting to be and Ultramarine, Necrons teaming with BA, Draigo, and Necrons loosing all of their fluff that tied them into the imperium (void dragon) and the stormlord being the trash that he is (fluff wise). They destroyed the Adeptus Machanicus being taken over by necrons which was a huge blow for me and alot of people i know.

I am not sure where you see the 3 "not bad" for Kelly? Dark Eldar being suddenly getting a Bugs-Bunny theme with Looney-Toon-style Black-Holes-in-a-Box is easily the stupidest thing I've ever written. Inept naming like the Decapitor-wieding-Decapitor-decapitation-people didn't help either (If Kelly gets the DA-Codex, they'll probably have SCs called "Bolter" and "Chainsword"). And his blatantly expositionary and descriptive writing style "Vect is the most intelligent Dark Eldar" ; "Dark Eldar are the most depraved" could put down a Bull Elephant without narcotics. If you like spelling-failures, you may like the Ork book, granted. But Eldar singlehandedly broke 4th edition in ways no book has since managed. And it's fluff was largely copy-&-paste anyhow.

SW - Long Fang spam, Loganwing, Pod lists, Twolf spam
Orks - Nob spam, Killa wall, horde
DE - Venom spam, Rider spam

You have an opinion. Great. I think you're wrong.

Chosen Praetorian wrote:
Well if you're not aware of them then maybe that says something about your gaming abilities and to be more accurate, there's only one list that you're good enough to see

Well, that is the problem. If literally EVERYONE who ever fields those armies fields those lists, than it is kinda hard to see something else.

I've fought numerous people with Blood Angels. What did I face: All-Death Company armies, All-Jumper Armies, MSU-Armies, Deathstar-Termy/LR armies, Dante's Golden Army, Drop Pod armies, Dreadnaught-heavy armies, Scout-heavy armies, Tank-shock armies, Infiltrate-outflank armies, etc.. .. Each unique to play and play against. Each with distinct strategic benefits and drawback. Each a wonderful contribution to the game and the hobby.

I've fought numerious people with Space Wolves: 3x Long Fangs with ML. Without exception. Also, JoTWW.

Seriously, I tried closing my eyes and not see the travesty Kelly has bestowed upon the formally wonderful armies given over to his hand. But it's hard to ignore for even the most willfully ignorant.


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His Master's Voice wrote:SW - Long Fang spam, Loganwing, Pod lists, Twolf spam
Orks - Nob spam, Killa wall, horde
DE - Venom spam, Rider spam

You have an opinion. Great. I think you're wrong.

So two or three each? Goddamn, there're less lists in three Kelly Codexes than in half of every Ward Codex than.

Kelly's fluff writing is of a DIFFERENT LEAGUE compared to Ward's. Little frivolities like Black holes in a box and Mowgli wolfborn are just little bits of throaway indulgnece for the slightly younger fans. Not the backbone of the army.

Let's hear all the competitive lists Grey Knights can present then.

Zweischneid wrote:I've fought numerous people with Blood Angels. What did I face: All-Death Company armies, All-Jumper Armies, MSU-Armies, Deathstar-Termy/LR armies, Dante's Golden Army, Drop Pod armies, Dreadnaught-heavy armies, Scout-heavy armies, Tank-shock armies, Infiltrate-outflank armies, etc.. .. Each unique to play and play against. Each with distinct strategic benefits and drawback. Each a wonderful contribution to the game and the hobby.

Edit: Just saw the above. Looks like we're operating with different definitions of competitive. Death Company? Dread spam? Tank shock? Really? We might as well call Grot spam a competitive list then.

His Master's Voice wrote:Let's hear all the competitive lists Grey Knights can present then.

Henchmen spam
Draigowing
Purifer-spam
Hulksmash just won a GT with Strike spam

That's 4 off the top of my head.

And that's assuming that you don't do something reckless like combine two of those builds to make an effective hybrid.

Since everyone decided to ignore my subtle hint to stay on topic, and veered even further off the original subject, time to put this one to bed...