Speculation on 40k release schedule (incl starter box confirmation, see edited first post)

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**CpatTom**

Just so you know, it is far more expensive to attract new customers than to maintain loyal customers.

**candy.man**

Strombones wrote:GW does not care what veteran players think about gameplay. They do not care if releasing vanilla marines before your army hurts your feelings. They do not care if one codex is better than the other.

They don't care how many people swear to god that "if codex X Y or Z comes out it will break the game and I swear I'll quit 40k forever!" why? Because you won't quit 40k. GW is like a drug dealer. If you are in the hobby you are hooked. Not releasing products to your convenience or to how you think is "fair" or "balanced" is not even a blip on their radar. Also like a drug dealer they are more concerned with hooking new customers than pleasing the ones they already have.

It's called business.

You’ve hit the nail on the head IMO. Great analogy on how GW does business.

Personally I always like to emphasise the “put your money where your mouth is” belief. If you really dislike GW, stop buying their products and move on, otherwise they will never learn. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who “claim” to dislike GW yet still buy plastic crack like no tomorrow.

Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.

**Agamemnon2**

A corollary to the drug dealer analogy is that GW wants people to quit the game regularly. They're marketing for the 8-14 year olds, and it's in their best interests to keep the average age of gamers in that bracket. If too many "veterans" stick with the game, it becomes harder and harder to attract kids to it. The worst thing that could happen to 40k from GW's perspective is if it became populated by the grognard majority.

**H.B.M.C.**

Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.

That's all they want out of each new customer. After that they can do whatever they want and GW doesn't care. As long as they get those three purchase dates for 20-30 kids a month (depending on the region of course), the store is fine.

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.

The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?

**DarkStarSabre**

Largely because that many years ago the service was better, the magazine offered more and even Mail Order offered more.

Found an old Troll magazine. Remember those?

5 Leman Russ, 1 being an Exterminator, 1 being a Demolisher for £40.

My god if I'd been able to see the future I would have milked that sort of thing.

**Agamemnon2**

lord_blackfang wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.

The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?

An anomaly occurred. Most of my generation has left the game, "on schedule".

**AlmightyWalrus**

candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.

I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!

**Cyrax**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.

I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!

Not to mention that damn op Tau.

**warboss**

lord_blackfang wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.

The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?

Clearly for all the women involved in the hobby.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Cyrax wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.

I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!

Not to mention that damn op Tau.

...not sure if serious. I think you missed my point.

**Cyrax**

I got it, I just wanted to add Tau to your list. I don't think it's fair that they'll get new toys while SW and IG suffer from codex creep.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Cyrax wrote:I got it, I just wanted to add Tau to your list. I don't think it's fair that they'll get new toys while SW and IG suffer from codex creep.

You blatantly didn't get it (or I'm not getting you

). The entire point is that SW and IG don't suffer from Codex Creep anywhere near as much as they should if Codex Creep were real, and neither do the Orks.

**Cyrax**

Either I'm defending that IG is suffering from the creep or my sarcasm is not what it used to be.

**Billagio**

I think there more DA players than GW realizes. Many just by regular tac marines and use them as DA, while others may by terminators for deathwing. I think GW would find it impossible to determine who is buying models for X chapter when they are all generic.

**Kroothawk**

Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :

BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!

So Dark Angels next Codex according to this. Supported by secret message on WD backs: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426368.page

Hastings said to this:

75hastings69 wrote:
demyx wrote:....which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos

Interesting

**H.B.M.C.**

Perhaps they see those two books as being the books that suffered the most from the 'Jervis Era'.

Still, the idea that they won't re-do Templars and Tau is kinda strange.

**Totalwar1402**

Wouldn't they be bringing out vanilla marines after 6th edition?

**H.B.M.C.**

Perhaps they really like the current Marine Codex (it is the most subdued of the Ward Collection), so want to keep it around for a while longer?

**tedurur**

Fairly unsurprisingly the first rumor looks to be bollocks. DA is not getting squated. Hopefully being the last book of 5th ed will not be a huge drawback nor the clusterfeth that is the Skaven book.

**d-usa**

Kroothawk wrote:Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :

BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!

So Dark Angels next Codex according to this. Supported by secret message on WD backs: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426368.page

Hastings said to this:

75hastings69 wrote:
demyx wrote:....which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos

Interesting

Yes, I need more rumors to keep my predictions for the correct rumor alive. Project Prisoner (Dark Angels hunting Chaos Fallen to inprison/torture/save) for the win!

**1hadhq**

The first legion next.....

This rumor has the first 6th ed dex as chaosy, followed by a non 40k fall / winter since 3 candidates get shot down there ?

Wasn't so good when DA had a 'new design' dex and to be the last in 5th ed design isn't better.

**Nightwatch**

1hadhq wrote:
Wasn't so good when DA had a 'new design' dex and to be the last in 5th ed design isn't better.

Orks did fairly well this edition though, considering the circumstances.

**agnosto**

So BoK goes against Harry, I know who I'll believe since he's mostly right, most of the time....Harry. It would be odd to only release 2 40k armies in the year of the 25th anniversary.

I guess we'll see.

**timetowaste85**

Isn't BoK usually wrong? I'll stick with Harry. And if BoW talked with GW and the 6th we saw was a work in progress, BoK saying it's totally false doesn't instill me with confidence in their/his words.

**Kroothawk**

Bok is often right (WD only Sororitas Codex) and were among the first to say 6th edition this year. Why does this contradict Harry?
BTW the "Year of Fantasy" only saw one army book ... besides the new edition.

**Starfarer**

agnosto wrote:So BoK goes against Harry, I know who I'll believe since he's mostly right, most of the time....Harry. It would be odd to only release 2 40k armies in the year of the 25th anniversary.

I guess we'll see.

Harry is usually right, but by is own admission, he hears things that are a ways out and also is more of a WHFB guy, so doesn't pay close attention to 40k rumors. That said, I trust Harry more than most posters, but 75Hastings69 is just as accurate and seems to get info a little closer to release, and he essentially confirmed DA(by confirming net rumors don't trump WD, referring to the DA imagery teaser on the spine of WD.) So I put a good bit of stock in it if Hastings is confirming it.

Funny too, since I was thinking yesterday that the back images were probably the 6th box set cover, and it seems even more likely that is the case with the new DA rumors.

**Jaon**

So...much....meantioning...of ...Sq*ts....

*HEFTS DAEMONHAMMER* MUST...PURGE!

**Bonde**

It is starting to seem like the only two things that are certain this year is a 6th edition and a Chaos release, of course together with the mandatory Space Marines.

**Dysartes**

Nah, the only certain things this year are, as always, death and taxes.