Dear Fans,

This week I am happy to announce a new kit we have worked on, its the first of a series of kits which will allow modelers to create large scale armored knights.

Please note we have a very limited number of these kits currently onhand, we are expecting a main release date of March 5th, 2012 and any orders placed before then will be filled on a first-come first serve basis once stock arrives.

The "Knights Praetorius" are the Empress' most loyal soldiers. Each is endowed with a touch of the Empress' psychic powers when admitted into the unit. While few in number, each is a match for 10 lesser men, the psychic unity with the Empress allows a measure of prescience as well as formidable endurance. Both men and woman are allowed to test to join the unit, but few survive this testing.

Each resin kit comes unassembled and unpainted. The28 mm TRU-Scale kit comes with enough components to assemble a squad of 6 "Knight Praetorius" - 12 assorted armored pauldrons, 6 torsos, 6 sets of legs and 6 equipment backpacks. Please note it is necessary to purchase heads, arms, weapons and bases to assemble as shown. Chapterhouse Studios Marine Heads and weapons are scaled appropriately for use with this kit. We recommend 28mm scale model kits for assembly with this kit.

Shown examples were modeled and painted by Stephen Smith and consist of numerous components from different manufactures for the weapons, arms, heads and weapon effects can be seen in the gallery on our website here.

You can place pre-orders (or if your the early bird get the first cast) by clicking here.






Stay tuned for some more ornate and adorned armor versions.

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Cool

Pretty neato I'd say.

It should work now, I had the code messed up the first minute.

Studded armor is a win.

Ordered mine!

Finally!

I want to be 'that guy' to ask the question.
Will those legs be sold separately once the initial few batches of the kit sell out?

So modellers provide their own heads, arms and weapons?

Just want to be clear.

I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

Yes, it would be... and will!

Glad to see these kits finally for sale via the website!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:So modellers provide their own heads, arms and weapons?

Just want to be clear.

Yes,

Each resin kit comes unassembled and unpainted. The28 mm TRU-Scale kit comes with enough components to assemble a squad of 6 "Knight Praetorius" - 12 assorted armored pauldrons, 6 torsos, 6 sets of legs and 6 equipment backpacks. Please note it is necessary to purchase heads, arms, weapons and bases to assemble as shown. Chapterhouse Studios Marine Heads and weapons are scaled appropriately for use with this kit. We recommend 28mm scale model kits for assembly with this kit.

In the next few days, I will be showing the Studded legs, the banded legs and the "Knights of the Grail" lines and posting them on the site.

Alpharius I hear you and Pyriel have been working on something that may show up sometime as well.

Nick

Me too, i purchased some a few months ago after contacting them when i heard rumors of this. Not disappointed what so ever!

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Those were mostly one offs, not squad level. Bulk and customization are needed to break the threshold into "I'll make my entire army out of that" land.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Those were mostly one offs, not squad level. Bulk and customization are needed to break the threshold into "I'll make my entire army out of that" land.

Scibors had his models, but yeah, not really an affordable option when your looking at $20+ per model. That and they are not poseable.

I need to work on some arms so people can basically buy everything they need in one shop, granted there are a number of arms you can use out there that work with these kits.

Chapterhouse wrote:

Alpharius I hear you and Pyriel have been working on something that may show up sometime as well.

Nick

I certainly hope so!

ShumaGorath wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Those were mostly one offs, not squad level. Bulk and customization are needed to break the threshold into "I'll make my entire army out of that" land.

Agreed - and CHS just pulled that off, I think...

Alpharius wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

Alpharius I hear you and Pyriel have been working on something that may show up sometime as well.

Nick

I certainly hope so!

ShumaGorath wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Those were mostly one offs, not squad level. Bulk and customization are needed to break the threshold into "I'll make my entire army out of that" land.

Agreed - and CHS just pulled that off, I think...

After much harassment

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding money.

There have been a number of versions out there, but most are around $15-20 a model or have some other fault.

Those were mostly one offs, not squad level. Bulk and customization are needed to break the threshold into "I'll make my entire army out of that" land.

Scibors had his models, but yeah, not really an affordable option when your looking at $20+ per model. That and they are not poseable.

I need to work on some arms so people can basically buy everything they need in one shop, granted there are a number of arms you can use out there that work with these kits.

Regular marine arms are truscale marine arms. If you restored the silly arm proportion back to their distended gorilla shoulders you lose what makes truscale great (IE semi realistic proportions). I think you just need to take what you have and package them in with the truescale torsos and legs .

Would it be possible to get a side by side with a regular SM?

ShumaGorath wrote: I find it strange that no shop sold truscale marines before now in any realistic capacity. One would think it would be like molding mone

I agree. Tru-Scaling is an untapped gold mine IMO.

I actually really like the look of this kit. Might buy a set and convert up a combat squad for 40K RPG Deathwatch or Black Crusade.

Ehsteve wrote:I actually really like the look of this kit. Might buy a set and convert up a combat squad for 40K RPG Deathwatch or Black Crusade.

Aaaand thank you for giving me a reason to buy these.

darknightwing wrote:Would it be possible to get a side by side with a regular SM?

Wow that was fast. I think I might get some now, it definately looks more like the superhuman genetic mutant marines should be.

And I thought 40k was dead to me, take my money, take it!

Looking at the comparison picture, I think Shuma's correct. The arms do look more in-proportion with the true-scale model than with the original.

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Are you sure? That's odd, because I couldn't care less.

I think they are pretty damn cool looking. If I hadn't been gifted with a 2,000 point, pre-assembled and primed Space Wolves army (for free ), I would be thinking about a few.

What's not to like? This is something I've been waiting for, ages now really and huzzah, it has not only finally arrived, but it is an affordable kit, even with shipping and handling overseas. Death Watch is a go-go!

Just incase you didn't read this part of my post I will share it with you again...

raincity wrote:this is a great kit and I'm truly impressed by the sculpters work and skill

I found it to be a humerous parady. There is a lot they cannot say without risking copyright infringement.

I think they stopped caring about copyright infringement a long time ago but thats my opinion and not something I will discuss further in this thread but I can't see why they didn't just call them true scale space knights and leave it at that, we all know what they can be used to represent. The childish barb we can do without.

<MODERATION NOTE: labeling something your opinion does not excuse you from following Dakka's Posting Rules --Janthkin>

So, are there any plans to release the legs only?

Absolutionis wrote:So, are there any plans to release the legs only?

Not really on these legs, but I have some studded and banded armor ones that will be out solo.

I actually put some thought into that fiction and did so in an attempt to stay away from the GW fiction.

I don't care either way, but it really does just sound like you're going nearest neighbor on this and decided it was only really important to be one step away from GW IP.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I actually put some thought into that fiction and did so in an attempt to stay away from the GW fiction.

I don't care either way, but it really does just sound like you're going nearest neighbor on this and decided it was only really important to be one step away from GW IP.

If I really wanted to cash in on GW terms and words and did not care about copyright I would be dropping "Space" and "Marine" everywhere in the product description to show up on the search engines ; ).

I believe the product can stand on its own merits.

Chapterhouse wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

I actually put some thought into that fiction and did so in an attempt to stay away from the GW fiction.

I don't care either way, but it really does just sound like you're going nearest neighbor on this and decided it was only really important to be one step away from GW IP.

If I really wanted to cash in on GW terms and words and did not care about copyright I would be dropping "Space" and "Marine" everywhere in the product description to show up on the search engines ; ).

I believe the product can stand on its own merits.

But you put a cereal box helping of allllmost GW IP for some reason. You've waffled on using direct names and comparisons or using generics.

Damned if we do Damned if we dont

I call it parody, and to be honest, what else do you call the ruler of an empire of planets?

Star Wars - Emperor, Dune - Emperor, Star Craft - Emperor, Never Ending Story - Empress . . . Etc. Etc.

Pictures of the next set that will be out in a week or so..

Chapterhouse wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:So, are there any plans to release the legs only?

Not really on these legs, but I have some studded and banded armor ones that will be out solo.

Oh, that's unfortunate. Although I agree that the price is great for six of those, I hope you understand that many of us are fans of our own chapters' insignias and regalias. Admittedly, I would love to combine them with shoulderpads that you provide and other bits (Chaos Backpacks, etc).

Regardless, maybe and hopefully you may change your mind in time.

Great product, as usual. Fills a niche that had been shockingly missing forever.

I was amused by the fluff myself for it's similar yet different from GWness.

<broadcast mode active: if you're looking for a discussion of IP law or copyright, take it elsewhere; this thread is about some new miniatures>

Seriously - off-topic posts will be deleted, and anything the moderators construe as trolling will jeopardize your posting privileges.

On-topic, it's a very nice piece; I just wish we had more angles in the picture of the painted mini!

I used this kit and was pretty happy with it. I mixed and matched some more GW pieces with it, especially some of the FW MK III-VI torsos. I was very happy with the way it turned out. I tried a couple of different things, using both the regular FW torsos, and also extending the torso by cutting in half lenghtwise and adding a piece of plasticard to bulk out the torso.

Okay, you have my attention CHS, especially with the torso pic above.

Outside of tactical space "knights" what can we expect on other fronts...like terminators, which are now probably equal in height?

Man, I'd love to do a couple squads but a full army? There are so many SM models outside the tac squads that it would still be a lot of converting work.

coyotius wrote:

Outside of tactical space "knights" what can we expect on other fronts...like terminators, which are now probably equal in height?

Now that would be awesome...

I think I'd be spot on in stating that I am a but a peon here at DakkaDakka (new) but having just placed an order for 3 Chimeras AND 3 of your conversion kits I'd have to say you are making GW money as well, and a lot of it. I'd understand all the anger if you sold 'everything' to make these 'parody' kits but the fact remains that these have been designed for use with GW product lines and you state that quite often.

Now it is just my two cents, but I am pretty pleased with your work and would rather see more critique in your threads than bashing and now that the mods have stepped in it looks like this thread might yet be salvaged.

Cannot wait for my chimera conversion to come in, looking forward to more stuff from you guys in the future!

Edit:
Also looks like you used a muzzle flash from Armorcast in the main photo displayed, just another product line that goes hand in hand with what you and GW sell.

It's nice to see someone doing a full true-scale kit for Astartes, and these do look very easy and nicely sculpted. Plus they're plain enough that they could be detailed or painted into most Chapters' iconographies.

But it does, for me, push the line uncomfortably close, from parts for modification to replication.

Are the upcoming bits more sorta Sanguinary Guard style sculpted armour in the Greco-Roman style?

I have never been a big fan of Chapterhouse, but, I have to say that this Tru-Scale kit is pretty much spot on.

I have no use at the moment but they are now in my mind for future projects.

Tru-scale 'Eradicator' armour would be a winner though!

I'm really surprised at the price. $22.50 for six, and GW prices a combat squad at $25 for five. True that there are no arms, heads and weapons, but that's probably something that most SM players have coming out their ears, other than maybe shoulder-pads, and I know The Warstore's bitz section sells generic ones at $2.99 for 10 pairs.

If I could think of a reason to buy some more marines right now(just got a windfall of about 50 free Space Wolves), I'd buy them at the soonest opportunity.

Chapterhouse wrote:

darknightwing wrote:Would it be possible to get a side by side with a regular SM?

I can finally get some games on using the movie marine rules.

Anyway, would there be some general support for creating a rule set for true scale marines? I mean looking at that picture comparison and thinking S4, S5, 1W just seems wrong.
Maybe Dakka could debate up some nice true scale skirmish game rules and create a new game mode?

Shame those guys still suffer from the dislocated hip syndrome. In fact, it looks even more ridiculous when the scale is different.

I have so many uses for these.

Well I know Tom-Pyriel is working on some more different versions hand in hand with Alpharius.

I also received the first masters of some pads that people can use to customize their Terminators yesterday, as well as the masters of the heads for easy use on Tau Battlesuits.

When I think about it, it's kind of hard to believe that since the first time I saw a true scale marine (over ten years ago) and realized how much awesome potential they had, it hasn't been until now that someone has actually produced an affordable conversion kit.

Well done, ChapterHouse. This kit is pretty sweet. If I decide I need a few more marines, I know where I'm getting them.

You should work on putting out a generic truscale terminator next. There's a lot of interest in them from what I can see. I'd probably pick one up and I'm stingy.

I am working on putting on some unarmored arms and some of our spartan heads, halberds and shields to make some really good looking models!

AegisGrimm wrote:I'm really surprised at the price. $22.50 for six, and GW prices a combat squad at $25 for five. True that there are no arms, heads and weapons, but that's probably something that most SM players have coming out their ears, other than maybe shoulder-pads, and I know The Warstore's bitz section sells generic ones at $2.99 for 10 pairs.

Not to mention that these kits actually come with shoulder pads too...

Aye, and we have our power claw arms as well (not to mention 3 lines of heads).

Shoot... you dont need outside companies pieces to make a complete Knight after all, as long as your want him to be a close combat king.

Okay, I'm really digging the torsos and legs and I'd love to use these for my Deathwatch game.

I'm a bit luke-warm on the shoulderpads and the backpacks, though. They're really well-done, but I'd like my Stellar Knights to more closely resemble the esatblished look from the rest of my Stellar Knight army. I can definitely see using those on some special characters, though.

All that said, how would my Generic Wargame shoulderpads and backpacks look on those bodies?

Damn, if only I wasn't halfway through making my chosen I would have bought these.

JustPlainJim wrote:
All that said, how would my Generic Wargame shoulderpads and backpacks look on those bodies?

Not the best view, but this is one of them with a Forge World backpack and terminator shoulder pads.

No idea how your Generic Wargame Shoulder pads and backpack would look on them. Never tried it at all.

Once I get done with errands today Im going to work on that Knight Praetorius figure and see what I can do with only Chapterhouse kit. (We have bases too, so whoohoo).

I wouldnt mind do package deals with everything, but I can see that as being too limiting for some people. Id rather keep the customize deal going.

Not to mention that these kits actually come with shoulder pads too...

Oh, I know. But I'm lukewarm about the CH shoulders that come with them. I like blank surfaces to put logos on, and some of them are far too busy.

Argh! If I didn't have over 45 Space marines to paint for my current army......I suffer from good ole "Wargaming ADD", and I would hate to add another project.

But.... they might make awesome Black Templars for my bud's birthday!

While I'm all for better proportioned marines, I'm really not a fan of the whole 'True-scale' idea. All it does is speed up the gradual scale-creep that's been ongoing since the 90's.

I would much rather see appropriately scaled Guard, instead of bigger marines.

insaniak wrote:While I'm all for better proportioned marines, I'm really not a fan of the whole 'True-scale' idea. All it does is speed up the gradual scale-creep that's been ongoing since the 90's.

I would much rather see appropriately scaled Guard, instead of bigger marines.

This is so true, considering that guards are 28mm scale then they would all be around 7 feet tall.

insaniak wrote:While I'm all for better proportioned marines, I'm really not a fan of the whole 'True-scale' idea. All it does is speed up the gradual scale-creep that's been ongoing since the 90's.

I would much rather see appropriately scaled Guard, instead of bigger marines.

Truscaling also fixes marine proportions a bit.

Yeah, but at the expense of making them too big.

The point is to make YOUR models a better scale in comparison to your OPPONENT'S models. This is made more sensible because you can make your models bigger but you can't make your opponent's IG/Eldar/etc smaller.

The problem with true scale is that it makes the non-human minis too small. An Ork is capable of ripping off a marine arm so the minis should look like they can do that.

Make smaller guardsmen instead.

The torso and legs look pretty good but the backpack and shoulder pads looks very bad.

Gargantuan wrote:The problem with true scale is that it makes the non-human minis too small. An Ork is capable of ripping off a marine arm so the minis should look like they can do that.

Make smaller guardsmen instead.

The torso and legs look pretty good but the backpack and shoulder pads looks very bad.

As stated thats not actually a thing thats possible to do. Marines are undersized for the games scale and everything else is oversized. Something has to give and since no one is going to buy too small models then the marines have to be "too big" as if that actually has any meaning when the comparative scale is already wrong to begin with.

insaniak wrote:While I'm all for better proportioned marines, I'm really not a fan of the whole 'True-scale' idea. All it does is speed up the gradual scale-creep that's been ongoing since the 90's.

I would much rather see appropriately scaled Guard, instead of bigger marines.

Completely agree. When I painted up a few Dkok models, I realized how big the Cadians really are.


That said, even though they are not for me, those are some wonderful True Scale sculpts CH.

I feel people should also check out Steve Smith's/Warsmith's thread, the guy that created these, for other cool creations too:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/428357.page

I'm wondering how some of the FW terminator pads would look on these?

GW wont be happy now .. XD
cool kit tho

I am not looking forward to seeing these on tabletops. I dislike the concept of true scale marines for the reasons already stated as they are anything but the true scale. At least current true scale projects are a labor of love and interesting to look at as pieces of effort and art. These just become gamebreaking models which are annoying to look at and interact with.

Many truescale models ruin gameplay due to oversized bases and TLOS issues. I wasn't aware humans and orks were 3 feet tall.

nkelsch wrote:I am not looking forward to seeing these on tabletops. I dislike the concept of true scale marines for the reasons already stated as they are anything but the true scale. At least current true scale projects are a labor of love and interesting to look at as pieces of effort and art. These just become gamebreaking models which are annoying to look at and interact with.

Many truescale models ruin gameplay due to oversized bases and TLOS issues. I wasn't aware humans and orks were 3 feet tall.

How the heck are True Scale game breaking?

And even True Scale models should be on the appropriate sized bases.

You're a very conflicted fellow.

nkelsch wrote:I am not looking forward to seeing these on tabletops. I dislike the concept of true scale marines for the reasons already stated as they are anything but the true scale.

So you agree to convert all your non-Marine armies to be smaller? Good to hear.

nkelsch wrote: At least current true scale projects are a labor of love and interesting to look at as pieces of effort and art. These just become gamebreaking models which are annoying to look at and interact with.

So essentially you're admitting that the models themselves aren't the problem.
After all, Labor-of-Love Truescale has the same gameplay issues that Chapterhouse Truescale has.

nkelsch wrote:Many truescale models ruin gameplay due to oversized bases and TLOS issues.

Oversized bases? No, these fit on 25mm bases just fine. I think you're thinking of the Labor-of-Love Truescale Marines that are often found on larger bases.

TLOS is not a problem. As any Tyranid player will tell you, having taller models is a problem. They're harder to hide behind cover. Enjoy shooting your friends' Marines. Not a problem for anyone except someone that decides to buy this product.

nkelsch wrote:I wasn't aware humans and orks were 3 feet tall.

I wasn't aware that standard Guardsmen were 7ft tall and Gaunts were bigger than Humans. Even Eldar Guardians are the same size as Space Marines.

Just let people enjoy their hobby.

Like the standard saying in politics goes:

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Absolutionis wrote:The point is to make YOUR models a better scale in comparison to your OPPONENT'S models. This is made more sensible because you can make your models bigger but you can't make your opponent's IG/Eldar/etc smaller.

And when your opponent is using Marines...?

Eldar and Dark Eldar don't need to be smaller. They're supposed to be taller than humans. The only ranges that are wildly out of scale are non-marine humans. And even there, for the difference that it actually makes at 28mm, compared to the convenience of having interchangable bits between ranges, I really don't think it's worth the fuss, frankly.

I love "True Scale" marines!

Anything that makes them easier to get, customize and field is OK by me - and will get some of my money too!

And I really do blame GW for basically making 'regular' humans "too big"...

It is kinda funny when you put Imperial Guardsmen next to "actual" 28mm scale humans, like those from Infinity.

insaniak wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:The point is to make YOUR models a better scale in comparison to your OPPONENT'S models. This is made more sensible because you can make your models bigger but you can't make your opponent's IG/Eldar/etc smaller.

And when your opponent is using Marines...?

Eldar and Dark Eldar don't need to be smaller. They're supposed to be taller than humans. The only ranges that are wildly out of scale are non-marine humans. And even there, for the difference that it actually makes at 28mm, compared to the convenience of having interchangable bits between ranges, I really don't think it's worth the fuss, frankly.

Eldar also aren't supposed to be marine height. Yet they are, even unhelmeted. Something is off here, last I checked Eldar aren't eight feet tall. Almost every model in 40k is the wrong scale in one way or another.

Absolutionis wrote:You're a very conflicted fellow.

nkelsch wrote:I am not looking forward to seeing these on tabletops. I dislike the concept of true scale marines for the reasons already stated as they are anything but the true scale.

So you agree to convert all your non-Marine armies to be smaller? Good to hear.

GW sets the scale for GW games. As an unaffiliated model line, these are fine. For play with GWs rules and the way people use self-made true scale, there are issues.

nkelsch wrote: At least current true scale projects are a labor of love and interesting to look at as pieces of effort and art. These just become gamebreaking models which are annoying to look at and interact with.

So essentially you're admitting that the models themselves aren't the problem.
After all, Labor-of-Love Truescale has the same gameplay issues that Chapterhouse Truescale has.

Yes, but I respect someone who spent hundreds of hours converting and sculpting true-scale for the effort they put in.

nkelsch wrote:Many truescale models ruin gameplay due to oversized bases and TLOS issues.

Oversized bases? No, these fit on 25mm bases just fine. I think you're thinking of the Labor-of-Love Truescale Marines that are often found on larger bases.

TLOS is not a problem. As any Tyranid player will tell you, having taller models is a problem. They're harder to hide behind cover. Enjoy shooting your friends' Marines. Not a problem for anyone except someone that decides to buy this product.

I have seen multiple true-scale armies at tourneys who use Dark angels rules so they can count all their 40mm truescale marines as terminators. It causes issues but people make an effort to muddle through because the astounding effort put into making the models.

nkelsch wrote:I wasn't aware humans and orks were 3 feet tall.

I wasn't aware that standard Guardsmen were 7ft tall and Gaunts were bigger than Humans. Even Eldar Guardians are the same size as Space Marines.

Just let people enjoy their hobby.

Like the standard saying in politics goes:

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Oh, their hobby? last time I checked there is a huge social and game component which involves showing up with reasonable models and sharing the 'hobby' with others. I have found many truescale projects to be unreasonable and unsuited for gameplay and the concept is all around unappealing to me due to the attitude that somehow marine players know whats what with scale. I have no issue with minis being hero scale or super deformed or not able to fit in a rhino or whatever.

If it impacts gameplay with oversized bases, taller marines to give vehicles more cover, able to get better LOS and increased assault distances, then I hope TOs will step in and deal with it.

insaniak wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:The point is to make YOUR models a better scale in comparison to your OPPONENT'S models. This is made more sensible because you can make your models bigger but you can't make your opponent's IG/Eldar/etc smaller.

And when your opponent is using Marines...?

Eldar and Dark Eldar don't need to be smaller. They're supposed to be taller than humans. The only ranges that are wildly out of scale are non-marine humans. And even there, for the difference that it actually makes at 28mm, compared to the convenience of having interchangable bits between ranges, I really don't think it's worth the fuss, frankly.

Your opponent gets better cover saves, and you have a cooler looking army. Sounds good in my books either way. =o]

Nothing better then playing againsted a nicely painted and modeled army. Nothing worse then playing againsted Grey Legion clone @2764785773 =o[


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nkelsch wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:You're a very conflicted fellow.

nkelsch wrote:I am not looking forward to seeing these on tabletops. I dislike the concept of true scale marines for the reasons already stated as they are anything but the true scale.

So you agree to convert all your non-Marine armies to be smaller? Good to hear.

GW sets the scale for GW games. As an unaffiliated model line, these are fine. For play with GWs rules and the way people use self-made true scale, there are issues.

Parden me? So if I want to use other companys models but use the 40k rule set ( actually it would be the other way) i'm doing it wrong?


Wow

Could we please get back to the topic at hand and maybe make a new thread for this topic. I like what Nick has done so please don't get this thread closed.

nkelsch wrote:Oh, their hobby? last time I checked there is a huge social and game component which involves showing up with reasonable models and sharing the 'hobby' with others. I have found many truescale projects to be unreasonable and unsuited for gameplay and the concept is all around unappealing to me due to the attitude that somehow marine players know whats what with scale. I have no issue with minis being hero scale or super deformed or not able to fit in a rhino or whatever.

If it impacts gameplay with oversized bases, taller marines to give vehicles more cover, able to get better LOS and increased assault distances, then I hope TOs will step in and deal with it.

These Truescale Kits fit fine on a 25mm base. The majority of the problems you've stated are nonexistent. This has already been stated. Please stop talking about oversized bases; you're fabricating a problem that does not exist.

I'm also not a Marine player. I hate Marines in general. However, this kit will and may convince me to start a Marine army. I am in no way a "marine player" that knows what's-what with scale.

Taller Marines have nothing to do with assault range.

If your problem with this Truescale kit is that people will use it to hide Rhinos, then substitute an appropriately-sized model. The few millimeters of height are more of a drawback in terms of cover anyways.

If your issue with these models is hardcore play in your hardcore tournaments, I agree. These models have no place in a Hardcore tournament. These models are for Modelers.
If you want strict tournament play with negligible hobby element, play Magic the Gathering. I play it myself and admit it's a really great competitive game. Miniatures games aren't exactly compatible with competitive play.

Oh, their hobby? last time I checked there is a huge social and game component which involves showing up with reasonable models and sharing the 'hobby' with others. I have found many truescale projects to be unreasonable and unsuited for gameplay and the concept is all around unappealing to me due to the attitude that somehow marine players know whats what with scale. I have no issue with minis being hero scale or super deformed or not able to fit in a rhino or whatever.

You sound absolutely ridiculous. So people shouldn't use models that GW doesn't produce? What happens when GW doesn't produce the model for something? These are somehow unbalancing? Why? Because they make the players army using them worse by denying them cover and making it significantly easier to draw LOS on them?

Your arguments make no sense. You're throwing a tantrum for no logical reason.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:Could we please get back to the topic at hand and maybe make a new thread for this topic.

<this is an excellent suggestion; please discuss the perils of insidious true-scale modeling somewhere else; further posts on that topic will be redacted>

I don't have an actual GW shop in a 100 mile radius(I've checked). So I have absolutely no worries about whether tru-scale marines would be poo-pooed or kicked out of a tournament if I want to paint some up.

I know this skirts the rules of Janthkin's post above, but to have an issue with these models being taller than standard SM would require a ban of all basing materials that are thicker than grass flocking/sand, because they also make the mini taller.

But I think they are cool, and like personalized bases, simply add another outlet for creativity in this hobby, so good-good. The only worry I have is GW having another reason for coming after ChapterHouse because they look so much like Space Marines, but I hope that never happens.

I like the idea of using them as models for RPG games. Then their height makes them even more unique. Like how much bigger Artemis is from the Inquisitor line.

Not really my thing but it's a good looking kit that I'm sure will sell well and fill a niche in the market.
I think the fluff is a bit much, considering how close these are to gws miniatures but that's for chs to decide.

LOL on that note, if anyone wants to write a good background piece, let me know I can reward in product.

Oh yeah, also looking for a moderator for our new boards, experience is critical as I dont even know how to set the forum up..

Nick

"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords.
Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties."

Done

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords.
Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties."

Done

Nice, but a little more bulk to it if you can.

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

Done

raincity wrote:

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

Done

Hey I totally read that one! If I recall correctly Verstarker was known as the Lord of Thorns, and you could tell his followers by the excessive amounts of spikes and spines they would affix to their armour.

It was such a bad thing having Emperor die shortly after the coronation and leaving the Empress alone to rule such a large expanse but you have to admit that it does mean that any vassle of Verstarker tends to only have a short stay in the capital's dungeon before spending a long time affixed to the castle the spikes that they love so much. No being a soft puppet figure-head for this Empress!

I'm not a fan of "true-scaling" in general, as I prefer my Marines to be not much more than human-sized in old-school RT style, I don't like the more recent (driven by BL?) presentation of SMs as giants.

That said, these kits are AMAZING, and I am tempted to buy some. I am now conflicted

Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

AJCarrington wrote:Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

You unable to get spikes on your own?

I really like these. The price is great too. The fact that I have tons of SM spare parts isnt helping my ability to resist buying some of these.

AJCarrington wrote:Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

The potential for new varieties and ideas on the armor are limitless. Just like in the Dark Ages, icons and designs were pretty varied on armor plate and more to do with how much money the knights had to spend on the armor.

So yeah, I think it is a safe bet there will be many types of armor released.

Thanks.

@Breotan: Sure, but still curious as to the extent of this range.

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL on that note, if anyone wants to write a good background piece, let me know I can reward in product.

"In the far past, the world was united under the iron heel of the corrupt (United Earth Corporation, Confederation of States, other evil bad group name). A twisted parody of a government, (Evil bad group) was wrought with corruption and crime. So long as the overlords of terra were free to indulge in their desires, the rest of humanity could burn for all they cared. With the rise of mutations in the late 25th century, a woman known only as the Empress rose to power through the use of psychic charged orations. Using her vast intellect, she turned the poor underclass into an army of genetically engineered super-soldiers imbued with a fraction of her own psychic power. Through this amalgamation of human evolution, scientific intervention and otherworldly power, the Empress overthrew the (Evil bad group) and established herself as the leader of the people of Earth. Under her guidance the planet experienced an unprecedented period of growth, with the super-powered police state effectively eliminating any semblence of organized crime or corruption, the world was free to expend it's resources for the betterment of mankind. Expanding into space travel for more than intergallactic mining, the human race expanded into the stars where it encountered evils far worse than anything on earth."

Man that was terrible. feth me right?

Vain wrote:

raincity wrote:

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

Done

Hey I totally read that one! If I recall correctly Verstarker was known as the Lord of Thorns, and you could tell his followers by the excessive amounts of spikes and spines they would affix to their armour.

It was such a bad thing having Emperor die shortly after the coronation and leaving the Empress alone to rule such a large expanse but you have to admit that it does mean that any vassle of Verstarker tends to only have a short stay in the capital's dungeon before spending a long time affixed to the castle the spikes that they love so much. No being a soft puppet figure-head for this Empress!

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL on that note, if anyone wants to write a good background piece, let me know I can reward in product.

Make an official contest!

AegisGrimm wrote:..........True that there are no arms, heads and weapons, but that's probably something that most SM players have coming out their ears........

Arms coming out of thier ears?

Magic the gathering players surely?

Great Job Nick, I attest to their quality since mine have seen use a long time ago

Can we get more pics on the upcoming variant kit Nick ??

Cheers

These are great. Besides the size, one thing i like about them is they're not so "wasp-waisted". If you look at GW's marines (especially terminators), they're 8 feet tall with a 18 inch waist. It's weird that the figures are sculpted that way, because the art isn't.

I like this look much better. Tru-scale terminators would be awesome, too.

As soon as my FoW/ malifaux order through WS is done, i plan to jump in on a few kits worth. Must Chaosify them up a bit though.

Mat

raincity wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I was going along with your basic generic premise and trying to show how easy it would be to build upon it.
I am sorry if I confused you with the framing that made it sound like it was an existing story.

I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

That's probably not the tone you want to set with your first post..........

yeah right

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

Nice first post there Swordwind.

As always the best way to vote is with your wallet.
If you don't like them don't buy it.
If you like them with the exception of a few small bits let them know and maybe they will address it.

This kit fills a niche that some people have been yearning for greatly. I am not going to say they are the bested sculpts ever but they are far superior to what I am likely to be able to do and for a price that isn't horrible. If/When I get some I will probably use them to represent Heroes/Captains and bling them up appropriately according to their chapter so I like that they aren't too filled with extra decorations.

Now if you excuse me, I need some help getting off this soapbox

the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

Apparently the heavy moderation on this thread has resulted in anyone not liking the models being labelled as a troll. So, that happened.

I don't think these models are that great - some parts are OK (like the torsos), and some parts are pretty bad (the power packs), and has been remarked - the prices are pretty high for what you get - 6 half-marines for the cost of 5 full marines. I rather suspect if GWS released true-scale legs at that price point the reception would be substantially different. But that's speculation.

Obviously, the fact no one else makes these kits at all does influence the reception, possibly, but this is not one of CHS's better releases, in my opinion. I'm saying this as a customer who has bought some of their stuff which I did like (the Stormraven extension kit is inspired).

Truthfully, I wish they would take some of their talent and use it to create some original IP of their own. (Still no good looking female heads from ANY studio!). There are so many genres of history untapped, so many unique looking weapons mundane and exotic, it's a shame to keep churning out legally-just-far-enough knockoffs of another studio's work. Japanese weapons alone could have dozens of new weapons packs! Well, perhaps at some point.

Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I dont really think much to any of the bits in this thread, i can see the merits of other things they have done like the thunder chicken extension, but even that is hardly ground breaking, a bit of plasticard and a craft knife and you could do that yourself.

the two "eldar" models seem to get praise, the farseer looks terrible, its like someone stuck two fish slices to his head, the scorpion warrior is pretty good however, credit where its due shes passable.

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

swordwind99 wrote:

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

You haven't been lurking long it seems, there have been several times where negative comments have been posted on Dakka and directly resulted in improvements being made because company reps/owners read/post/lurk here.

Cyporiean wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

You haven't been lurking long it seems, there have been several times where negative comments have been posted on Dakka and directly resulted in improvements being made because company reps/owners read/post/lurk here.

cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

swordwind99 wrote:
cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

This thread for one. Originally he wasn't going to have energy weapons, as he felt they didn't fit his universe but I suggested it and some others supported the idea.

Now he has energy weapons!

Kanluwen wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:
cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

This thread for one. Originally he wasn't going to have energy weapons, as he felt they didn't fit his universe but I suggested it and some others supported the idea.

Now he has energy weapons!

This is fact.....

Bear in mind, totally not trying to hijack Chapterhouse's thread here. Was simply making an example!

Kanluwen wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:
cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

This thread for one. Originally he wasn't going to have energy weapons, as he felt they didn't fit his universe but I suggested it and some others supported the idea.

Now he has energy weapons!

well i suppose thats sort of an example but it wasn't really a negative comment, it was more a suggestion, his stuff is really good, head and shoulders above the sculpt quality of chapterhouse and much more original.But if feedback is taken on board my main gripe with these tru scale parts is the sculpts look poor, the kneeling legs look rough as hell,the studs on the studded legs are not lined up, the knee pads are uneven and different sizes,in fact looking at the leg sections in general they look a bit random across the board(on a positive note they are at least stood up right rather than the squatting marines we have)
The torsos are Ok, a bit plain and bland, yes you could in all fairness convert them, but why should i? im paying FW prices for them i want FW detail! they also seem a little bit uneven and not very smooth, in fact it could be the camera or the light but none of these parts look "smooth" which could lead to washes and such pooling where you don't want them?
The shoulder pads are awful,to be honest most of the shoulder pads made by chapterhouse are awful, but all of those apart from the two simple plain ones at the bottom are poor and the photo editing has made them look alot worse too, the one on the top right hand side is very poor, the band is uneven and the little block with the stud is lop sided.

The back pack is not too bad, but the vent on the back is out of shape and the filery bit is off, plus there seems to be some glue marks or something to the right hand of the filter?

The shoulder pads are awful,to be honest most of the shoulder pads made by chapterhouse are awful, but all of those apart from the two simple plain ones at the bottom are poor and the photo editing has made them look alot worse too, the one on the top right hand side is very poor, the band is uneven and the little block with the stud is lop sided.

That I can agree with. They don't have the quality of detail I would prefer when making a purchase. Even were I to buy a set of tru-scales, I would use my own pads, which is a bummer. I really only like the one with the raised Deathwatch-style upper rim. The rest are too random for a cohesive set.

Sure, the sculpting isn't FW-quality, and you get 6 incomplete figures for the price of 5 complete GW plastics. But frankly, if GW were to release something comparable to just the 6 legs in Finecast, they'd cost as much as this whole set. They charge $22.50US for three SM casualties in metal

Ok so how do these look with normal shoulder pads? I can always use Forge World terminator shoulder pads if normal ones don't look right though.

Pretty cool stuff btw.

Shouldn't they still accept power armor pauldrons, if you use GW arms? Then you could use anything, from FW to the plastics to the old metal sets they have on the GW site.

swordwind99 wrote:the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

I feel the same way, but these days am in fear of posting my honest feelings about Chapterhouse products because chapterhouse and some of their in house sculptors can get very aggressive with attacking criticism and labeling negative opinions as trolls and flaming worthy of mod attention.

As I'm posting, I will share my review:

Torso 1 looks pretty good to me. Symmetrical and no messed up detail.
Torso 2 does not look good to me. It is a fair bit lopsided especially around the armor plates and belt.

The legs all look of the approximately correct scale, but they have some major problems. The studded greaves strike me as very bad quality, and the posing in general to me looks unrealistic and awkward, in particular the lower left "wide stance", the upper left walking stance, and the studded greaves. The studded greaves look very disproportional to me (imagine where the knees are). The upper right legs and lower left legs have very different lengths of upper leg. The thigh plates look thin, rounded, and bad. I think by using GW's space marine accessories you may be able to cover up the places that the legs look weird, except probably the lower left legs any maybe the studded ones. While it is possible that the camera angles chosen do not make the legs look their best, I do not think a different angle would create a vast difference.
The upper-right two legs look okay, the upper-left two look decent to me, and the bottom two look the worst.

The upper left shoulder pad strikes me as awful. The studs look bad, uneven, and the shoulder pad itself looks short. As a side note, the photoshop work cropping the shoulder pads seems to do them a huge disservice as the edges are extremely jagged.
The upper right shoulder pad to me is a good concept, but I find the execution lacking, resulting in another short and wide shoulder plate that does not match "true scale" marine depictions.
The left middle shoulder pad looks good. The studs do not look bad like the upper left, and the tiered armor is a crowd pleaser.
The middle shoulder pad looks lopsided, with the armor band on the bottom overlapping and making it appear even more squat.
The right middle shoulder pad looks cool. Props for originality, though on the flip side it does not fit "true scale" marine depictions.
The bottom left shoulder pad looks good. Plain and symmetrical.
The bottom right shoulder pad also looks good for the same reasons as the bottom left.

The power packs I overall like. They fit the required image while being not direct rip-offs. I imagine most people will use GW backpacks however.

The set's price seems reasonable to me, especially if you compare it to some of chapterhouse's other conversion bits.

Overall quality level seems higher than average for chapterhouse, a breath of fresh air compared to the in my opinion very low quality Jet Bike and Power Claws released recently, and a good indication if chapterhouse is looking to up its game. Compared to Kromlech, MaxMini, and heck I'll even say Scibor, these sculpts still remain very lacking in my view, though they do not seem as willing to toe the copyright line as closely.

ph34r wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

I feel the same way, but these days am in fear of posting my honest feelings about Chapterhouse products because chapterhouse and some of their in house sculptors can get very aggressive with attacking criticism and labeling negative opinions as trolls and flaming worthy of mod attention.

This.
I received a warning and was labelled a troll earlier in this thread for saying the fluff is a bit much and slightly arrogant on chs behalf, I had no intention of flaming, trolling or starting an argument..
Just what I thought was constructive criticism on how to do business without creating drama, I possibly should have tried to convey my message in a better way but it still would have had the same meaning.
I also stated that I think its a nice looking kit and will fill a gap that many people are happy to see filled (a statement which went unheard)

swordwind99 you may get a warning for your posts, hopefully you won't but if you do, don't let it stop you posting.
Not every negative/constructive feedback is trolling, and the sooner its realized, the better the discussions will be in regards to chs.
(This isn't an invititation to discuss my feelings on ANYTHING chs related, I'll save that for pm's)

Now getting this back on track, I noticed the guy that made these marines also had a rad looking converted dreadnought..
Will this be a kit that could see release in the future?

ph34r wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

I feel the same way, but these days am in fear of posting my honest feelings about Chapterhouse products because chapterhouse and some of their in house sculptors can get very aggressive with attacking criticism and labeling negative opinions as trolls and flaming worthy of mod attention.

As I'm posting, I will share my review:

Torso 1 looks pretty good to me. Symmetrical and no messed up detail.
Torso 2 does not look good to me. It is a fair bit lopsided especially around the armor plates and belt.

The legs all look of the approximately correct scale, but they have some major problems. The studded greaves strike me as very bad quality, and the posing in general to me looks unrealistic and awkward, in particular the lower left "wide stance", the upper left walking stance, and the studded greaves. The studded greaves look very disproportional to me (imagine where the knees are). The upper right legs and lower left legs have very different lengths of upper leg. The thigh plates look thin, rounded, and bad. I think by using GW's space marine accessories you may be able to cover up the places that the legs look weird, except probably the lower left legs any maybe the studded ones. While it is possible that the camera angles chosen do not make the legs look their best, I do not think a different angle would create a vast difference.
The upper-right two legs look okay, the upper-left two look decent to me, and the bottom two look the worst.

The upper left shoulder pad strikes me as awful. The studs look bad, uneven, and the shoulder pad itself looks short. As a side note, the photoshop work cropping the shoulder pads seems to do them a huge disservice as the edges are extremely jagged.
The upper right shoulder pad to me is a good concept, but I find the execution lacking, resulting in another short and wide shoulder plate that does not match "true scale" marine depictions.
The left middle shoulder pad looks good. The studs do not look bad like the upper left, and the tiered armor is a crowd pleaser.
The middle shoulder pad looks lopsided, with the armor band on the bottom overlapping and making it appear even more squat.
The right middle shoulder pad looks cool. Props for originality, though on the flip side it does not fit "true scale" marine depictions.
The bottom left shoulder pad looks good. Plain and symmetrical.
The bottom right shoulder pad also looks good for the same reasons as the bottom left.

The power packs I overall like. They fit the required image while being not direct rip-offs. I imagine most people will use GW backpacks however.

The set's price seems reasonable to me, especially if you compare it to some of chapterhouse's other conversion bits.

Overall quality level seems higher than average for chapterhouse, a breath of fresh air compared to the in my opinion very low quality Jet Bike and Power Claws released recently, and a good indication if chapterhouse is looking to up its game. Compared to Kromlech, MaxMini, and heck I'll even say Scibor, these sculpts still remain very lacking in my view, though they do not seem as willing to toe the copyright line as closely.

ph34r,

This is a good critique, some of your past post are not like this and just seem to be attacks on the company and not the sculpting details, there is a difference, and this post is very helpful.

swordwind99, so what forum did you come from that makes you think Dakka is so strictly moderated? Dakkadakka is a forum where we tend to try to be respectful and if people critique, we try to keep it to the point where its not attacking the company or individual, otherwise, yeah the Mods do step in. I hope you can contribute to the community.

If you read the post here, you will see that its not all "sunshine up the butt", there are many who say they dont like the sculpt AND they give reasons why (other then "Its crap). Such limited criticisms help noone in the end and only tend to aggravate pretty much all parties involved in a discussion.

I think many hobbyist realize that a)Im not the best photo shopper in the world and b) up close photos of models that are 2 inches tall do not truly represent what you will see on the table from eye level. Maybe thats why people buy miniatures that are not "flawless"?

Nick
Chapterhouse Studios LLC


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ph34r wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

I feel the same way, but these days am in fear of posting my honest feelings about Chapterhouse products because chapterhouse and some of their in house sculptors can get very aggressive with attacking criticism and labeling negative opinions as trolls and flaming worthy of mod attention.

This.
I received a warning and was labelled a troll earlier in this thread for saying the fluff is a bit much and slightly arrogant on chs behalf, I had no intention of flaming, trolling or starting an argument..
Just what I thought was constructive criticism on how to do business without creating drama, I possibly should have tried to convey my message in a better way but it still would have had the same meaning.
I also stated that I think its a nice looking kit and will fill a gap that many people are happy to see filled (a statement which went unheard)

swordwind99 you may get a warning for your posts, hopefully you won't but if you do, don't let it stop you posting.
Not every negative/constructive feedback is trolling, and the sooner its realized, the better the discussions will be in regards to chs.
(This isn't an invititation to discuss my feelings on ANYTHING chs related, I'll save that for pm's)

Now getting this back on track, I noticed the guy that made these marines also had a rad looking converted dreadnought..
Will this be a kit that could see release in the future?

rain,

As far as the overly negative (IMHO and others Im guessing from the moderation) comment and your positive comment, well isnt like saying to your wife "Your butt is huge and fat in those jeans, but hey I like the color?".

LOL

As for the dreadnought, probably not, though I have always wanted to do parts that would customize dreads, its just not in the books yet (not enough time).

I'd be more concerned about the bowleggedness of the upright standing legs than the quality of any of the shoulder pads. They look fine when assembled and few tiny resin bits look good with bad photography and a photoshop chop job. The final effect is nice, and that's what most people are going to see.

Chapterhouse wrote:ph34r,

This is a good critique, some of your past post are not like this and just seem to be attacks on the company and not the sculpting details, there is a difference, and this post is very helpful.

swordwind99, so what forum did you come from that makes you think Dakka is so strictly moderated? Dakkadakka is a forum where we tend to try to be respectful and if people critique, we try to keep it to the point where its not attacking the company or individual, otherwise, yeah the Mods do step in. I hope you can contribute to the community.

Chapterhouse wrote:If you read the post here, you will see that its not all "sunshine up the butt", there are many who say they dont like the sculpt AND they give reasons why (other then "Its crap). Such limited criticisms help noone in the end and only tend to aggravate pretty much all parties involved in a discussion.

There is a problem when people who post how they dislike your work without extensive explanation are condemned/flamed/punished, but nobody bats a single lash at a 100% vacuous post that is positive.

If I did not fear that my honest OPINION would not be labeled as trolling or flaming, and having a moderator crack down on me, I would have posted my opinion as simply "These seem like decent true scale conversion kits, but have too many blatant flaws and sculpting oversights for me to consider buying."

As I have said I do not think that this product is awful, I think it is decent with some notable/obvious flaws, but if there is a product that I do think is awful, I do not think that the only way I should be allowed to share my opinion is with an extensive kiddy-gloves review.

There is a problem when people who post how they dislike your work without extensive explanation are condemned/flamed/punished, but nobody bats a single lash at a 100% vacuous post that is positive.

In general decorum an insult requires explanation/reprisal while a compliment is taken with honor.

ShumaGorath wrote:In general decorum an insult requires explanation/reprisal while a compliment is taken with honor.

That's the way it goes. The level of paranoia on online forums is way higher than in real life. Online, it is much easier to slam someone as being a troll than to agree to disagree or ask for explanation.
I've criticized a lot of art in my day, and got a lot of brutally honest critiques in return, but never has someone told me "you don't actually believe that, you are just trying to start gak". I consider that the ultimate insult, and unfortunately it's a staple go-to on the internet if someone disagrees with you.

If I was Chapterhouse Studios, this is what I'd do:

Fix the concept for the legs so that the Marine could actually wear them - make the thighs thicker and get rid of the lizard hips.

Then I'd make a plastic sprue of just the torsos and the fixed legs. Forget about the shoulder pads and backpacks.

Do that and you'd sell a ton, and all you need to do is sculpt and commission a single sprue.

raincity wrote:
Now getting this back on track, I noticed the guy that made these marines also had a rad looking converted dreadnought..
Will this be a kit that could see release in the future?

Image?

broadcast mode: Since there seems to be some confusion, a bit of moderation explanation follows.>

First, a reminder of the forum posting rules. All posts on Dakka are subject to these rules; every poster is held accountable under them.

Now, to be clear: you are welcome to your opinions. In most cases, provided your opinions have something to do with the topic of the thread, you are welcome to share your opinions. But HOW you share your opinions is subject to moderation.

ph34r's post is largely a fantastic post, once past the initial sentence. It would be great if all posts, positive or negative, were of this standard. But that's neither expected nor required.

This post isn't great:

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

It isn't constructive, as it doesn't provide anything in the way of actionable criticism. It's condescending in tone, and belittling of the efforts of the original poster. Worst, from a moderator's perspective, it's likely to derail the discussion of the original topic (i.e., some new figures) and replace it with a different, less constructive topic (i.e., the post itself). Unsurprisingly, that's exactly what happened - there are no fewer than 11 posts discussing the post, rather than the topic at hand. And not only is this a violation of the posting rules (Stay on topic!), it has the result of fragmenting conversation, and making it more difficult to resume the original conversation.

This post is no better:

CURNOW wrote:yeah right (image)

One-liners and funny pictures do nothing to advance discussion in a thread, and, on Dakka, fall under the definition of "spam."

And this:

swordwind99 wrote:the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

is completely unacceptable. We've moved past nonconstructive & disruptive into what certainly appears to be deliberately baiting off-topic hostile responses, or "trolling." NOTHING about "listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts" is going to further the conversation of the original topic.

It's pretty simple, folks: if you moderate your own comments, I won't have to. There are over 54,000 registered users on Dakka; only a tiny percentage ever have cause to hear from the moderators about their posts.

If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast

Both me and you actually know the answer to that so why pretend and then comlpain that you are called out for these "nice" first time posts?
Maybe because the true scale marines are not, contrary to finecast, advertised as the best thing in the world since sliced bread and maybe because they arent priced as if they were made out of pure gold.
That kind of makes people a wee bit extra sensitive when said sliced bread made out of gold has huge bubbles and missing parts in it but hey, that´s just me.


As for the complaints about some pieces lacking in quality we DO listen and if possible make changes.
I made plans to redo all the flaws and repair the original sculptors errors and add tons of detail to the various parts some pretty long time ago as various people and mods can attest to but all that completely crashed due to lack of time. So much lack of time actually that had we waited for me to finally get them done there would never have been any true scale released and a lot of people contacted us about releasing them so in the end I guess the classic demand vs supply won out.

However I still have the bitz on my desk and still plan on slowly transforming them to forge world levels of detail and also give them various "themes".

ph34r wrote:If I did not fear that my honest OPINION would not be labeled as trolling or flaming, and having a moderator crack down on me, I would have posted my opinion as simply "These seem like decent true scale conversion kits, but have too many blatant flaws and sculpting oversights for me to consider buying."

Dakka moderators can always be trusted to be petty, shortsighted and firmly on the side of the site advertisers.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Dakka moderators can always be trusted to be petty, shortsighted and firmly on the side of the site advertisers.

Why would you assume that is what I meant? Rude.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

ph34r wrote:If I did not fear that my honest OPINION would not be labeled as trolling or flaming, and having a moderator crack down on me, I would have posted my opinion as simply "These seem like decent true scale conversion kits, but have too many blatant flaws and sculpting oversights for me to consider buying."

Dakka moderators can always be trusted to be petty, shortsighted and firmly on the side of the site advertisers.

That's uncalled for.

It's Aggy! What exactly were you expecting?

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's Aggy! What exactly were you expecting?

Every time he posts he makes me want to grab for eye-liner and a box of razorblades.

BrookM wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's Aggy! What exactly were you expecting?

Every time he posts he makes me want to grab for eye-liner and a box of razorblades.

Vhat you do vith your cosmetic products is your bvsiness, no need to involve me in any vay.

BrookM wrote:Every time he posts he makes me want to grab for eye-liner and a box of razorblades.

No Brook - he's not emo he's eyore.

I have always gotten a great deal of enjoyment out of Aga's posts - someone who will always tell you exactly where what he feels without any candy coating, ever. The pithy dryness and excellent adjective usage are just a bonus.

But now I'm contributing even more to dragging this thread offtopic.

All that being said, I don't think these are that bad. The leg poses are a bit iffy in my opinion, but not more so than those used by stock GW marines. I'm not in the market for truescale marines, but if I was, I'd consider these over making my own or hacking away at Terminator legs.

So i have been informed i needed to read the forum rules, i have and i would like to say "I am truly sorry if Nick (or chapterhouse) felt offended by my opening post.", I will make sure any future criticism is polite.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

ph34r wrote:If I did not fear that my honest OPINION would not be labeled as trolling or flaming, and having a moderator crack down on me, I would have posted my opinion as simply "These seem like decent true scale conversion kits, but have too many blatant flaws and sculpting oversights for me to consider buying."

Dakka moderators can always be trusted to be petty, shortsighted and firmly on the side of the site advertisers.

I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but this one barely qualifies. Surely you could work the Illuminati in, if you exerted a little effort? It'd give me something to chortle at, as I eat caviar and drink champagne provided by the exorbitant wealth the role of Moderator provides me.

Hello,
Sadly all of mine are built already, or I would get quite a few of thease. It could come in handy for Wolf Guard in PW however if I wanted to build more

Regards,
Carl

You know, I happen to love the whole resin after market industry for 40K. Heck, I write about most everything that comes out on my blog. Some of the stuff I like, some I don't. But I love the passion that goes into all of it and I try and be supportive of it all. Let the gamer decide what they like and what they don't.

I mean, these are people who are trying to make a business out of their passion. That is something I have been lucky to do in my entrepreneurial career and it is the most satisfying thing you can do for a living. It is VERY hard to make a business out of such a niche market and it takes enormous effort. Thus, I never slam anyone. Constructive criticism is always important. As the great basketball coach John Wooden said "Feedback is the single most important element of learning".

But feedback must be delivered in a manner that the recipient can appreciate. I am always open to feedback, but if you attack me I will attack you back and no one learns anything. The Internet allows people to be total jerk with no consequences. So you have to make an effort to write your posts as you would talk to someone in person. Now, I used to be really bad about this. But I have learned to follow that rule and it has served me well. But a lot of people don't and I am always amazed. To quote Patrick Swayze as Dalton in Road House "Be Nice".

I have enormous respect for Nick and Chapterhouse Studios. They are putting out great product on a regular basis, all while doing it part time and holding down jobs. Their product makes our armies more interesting, and I am looking forward to them succeeding in their lawsuit with Games Workshop and setting down the ground rules by which companies can act in this industry, so small enterprises have a set of standards they can follow. Sure, they probably screwed up a bit in the beginning, but that was probably more ignorance (and a bit of arrogance) and who of us hasn't been guilty of that!

I am following this case with another of my friends who is an IP attorney and have started writing about it on my blog. The first article is up today, and while nothing earth shaking, I hope you will read it. (Sorry for the shameless plug!).
[url]
http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2012/02/games-workshop-vs-chapterhouse-studios.html[/url]

Well, just my two Imperial credits.

Alec

Janthkin wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:

ph34r wrote:If I did not fear that my honest OPINION would not be labeled as trolling or flaming, and having a moderator crack down on me, I would have posted my opinion as simply "These seem like decent true scale conversion kits, but have too many blatant flaws and sculpting oversights for me to consider buying."

Dakka moderators can always be trusted to be petty, shortsighted and firmly on the side of the site advertisers.

I do enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but this one barely qualifies. Surely you could work the Illuminati in, if you exerted a little effort? It'd give me something to chortle at, as I eat caviar and drink champagne provided by the exorbitant wealth the role of Moderator provides me.

It's a truism that if you're doing something on the internet and you're not paying, then you're not the customer. You're the product.

Back OT. For me the static/robotic nature of the poses are what I don't like about these. Maybe it's just the way that they've been put together...

Chapterhouse wrote:Damned if we do Damned if we dont

I call it parody, and to be honest, what else do you call the ruler of an empire of planets?

Star Wars - Emperor, Dune - Emperor, Star Craft - Emperor, Never Ending Story - Empress . . . Etc. Etc.

Pictures of the next set that will be out in a week or so..

Is there any word on when these new torsos will be ready?

Please Stop posting pictures of your products that are poorly photoshop cut out. It makes them look rough and less detailed.

Just take nice pictures of the models on an infinite background or if you can't hire someone to.

I won't join the childish trollfest of an argument over whether or not these are TLOS and game legal.

I just think they look badass and wouldn't mind having a squad purely for cosmetic reasons. An entire army of them would look even cooler. Maybe not game legal, but cooler. Props to Chapterhouse! Now make some Black Templars True scale.

So are their going to be any Evil/Chaos Knight Praetorius released in the future? Or just the mostly plain look you have out now?

edit:

Ninjakinshu wrote:I won't join the childish trollfest of an argument over whether or not these are TLOS and game legal.

I just think they look badass and wouldn't mind having a squad purely for cosmetic reasons. An entire army of them would look even cooler. Maybe not game legal, but cooler. Props to Chapterhouse! Now make some Black Templars True scale.

For me all the tournaments in my area stopped caring about "Tournament legal models" a long time ago... If your LGS isn't a GW and their enforcing that, all I have to say is "lame sauce". Because I love 3rd party conversion bits.

Hmmm, I recon if you bought some of theose tru-scale marines some greenstuff and a devestator kit you could make so half decent obliterators!

Are those new True scale chest pieces done?

Hello Chapterhouse Studios customers and fans,

Five new shoulder pad options have just been added to the store. The pads are tailored to fit on Space Marine Terminators and are modeled after the earlier style that was present during the Heresy Civil war.

Each set comes with 2 matching pads and they are available for $2.00 a set - components come as unpainted pewter. These have been specially designed to fit on the shoulders of terminator models with nothing but superglue, no modifications are necessary.

Click on the photos to be transffered to the product page of each item.

Heresy Era Pad for Terminators Type A


Heresy Era Pad for Terminators Type C


Heresy Era Pads for Terminators Type D


Heresy Era Pad for Terminators Type B


Heresy Era Pads for Terminators Type E


We will continue to add a few more Heresy Era pad choices in the coming weeks as well as some new sculpts for our TRU-Scale Knights Praetorian line. My next newsletter will be showcasing the "Assault" version of our Javelin Imperial Jetbike and notify you all of its release.

Game On,

Nick Villacci

Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Oh, I like those.

love them

There are more details seen in side shots of the pads since on some of them I sculpted little small nocks and things to add to the visuals.
Not seen here but I think there is a side pic on the website that shows this.

Finally!! I have been waiting for you guys to do some Heresy era shoulder pads for terminators for a while. Love your stuff.

so ordered the moment i get money

Very nice sir!

The third set looks like warjack shoulders. That's not necessarily bad, just an interesting design.

Ok, these look great.
Well done Nick, really, some of the best so far.

Unpainted photos of the parts would be much more helpful to see the detail.

AH

Pyriel- wrote:There are more details seen in side shots of the pads since on some of them I sculpted little small nocks and things to add to the visuals.
Not seen here but I think there is a side pic on the website that shows this.

That, good sir, is excellent work!!

Ok... I want a load of the studded Terminator Pads. They look stunning.

Dok wrote:The third set looks like warjack shoulders. That's not necessarily bad, just an interesting design.

If im not mistaken those are actually quite true to some illustrations from visions of heresy.

Very nice indeed!

Nice stuff!

They are good, I like type D the best.

Man... those are very nice... definitely going to pick up a set or two...

I wonder if these pads can be shoehorned onto the FW Tartaros-pattern terminators? I have an idea involving those gun-halberds and these shoulders bouncing around.

I wonder if these pads can be shoehorned onto the FW Tartaros-pattern terminators? I have an idea involving those gun-halberds and these shoulders bouncing around.

Hmm, never thought of that. It might actually be an awesome idea, thanks.
Should be possible since it´s all a matter of applying a knife or file to resin.

ThomasPolder wrote:

Dok wrote:The third set looks like warjack shoulders. That's not necessarily bad, just an interesting design.

If im not mistaken those are actually quite true to some illustrations from visions of heresy.

Right on, I wasn't implying anything one way or the other. That's just the first thing that jumped to mind when I saw them.

Im thinking that these are really nicely done. Thanks dude.

Very nice - will be picking some up.

Padre^.

ThomasPolder wrote:

Dok wrote:The third set looks like warjack shoulders. That's not necessarily bad, just an interesting design.

If im not mistaken those are actually quite true to some illustrations from visions of heresy.

You're correct, these are influence by the designs in the Collected Visions books (and therefore what most people think of when they envisage pre-heresy), rather than the Tartaros-pattern ones which were a fresh idea.

Pads D and E look great!! I just wish the rivits on B were a little smaller.

Oooh, I wonder what these would look like on GK Terminators?! That would look a lot like the picture posted above would it not?

I really like Chapterhouse! Have bought items there and they are great! I want to get a few jetbikes next!!!

looking forward to the mention of new sculpts for true scale

Speaking of Tartaros pattern, any idea if these pads fit on them? Given Forgeworld say their own terminator pads don't I suspect not, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

ironicsilence wrote:looking forward to the mention of new sculpts for true scale

Same here. Ive got a set of the current ones that Im making into CSM...looking forward to what they come out with next.

Does anyone with experience of the TRU-scale set know how the proportions compare to standard marine components? Specifically, I was hoping to mix in some of my own shoulder pads and/or torsos with them to create more variety.

Pacific wrote:Does anyone with experience of the TRU-scale set know how the proportions compare to standard marine components? Specifically, I was hoping to mix in some of my own shoulder pads and/or torsos with them to create more variety.

Pads are okay, torsos are too small.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

May I reformulate:
"Can you express your explicit intention to copy the following IP of GW: ..."
Are you really expecting such an answer here?

Kroothawk wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

May I reformulate:
"Can you express your explicit intention to copy the following IP of GW: ..."
Are you really expecting such an answer here?

i can hope, and please try and be civil

Kroothawk wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

May I reformulate:
"Can you express your explicit intention to copy the following IP of GW: ..."
Are you really expecting such an answer here?

Mark XVI isn't GW's creation per se, is it? But regardless, some Techno-Barbarian armor would be pretty cool...

Valete,

JohnS

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

May I reformulate:
"Can you express your explicit intention to copy the following IP of GW: ..."
Are you really expecting such an answer here?

i can hope, and please try and be civil

I believe Nic has actually responded to this request a few times already, at least I seem to remember he responding to a question on the damocles armor, if I remember correctly hes response was that we would love to make it but has never been able to get in contact with the person who first did the art work for the damocles so has never been able to get permission....least thats what I remember

ironicsilence wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:any chance for chapter house to make Mark 1 thunder armor and mark 16 damocles armor?

May I reformulate:
"Can you express your explicit intention to copy the following IP of GW: ..."
Are you really expecting such an answer here?

i can hope, and please try and be civil

I believe Nic has actually responded to this request a few times already, at least I seem to remember he responding to a question on the damocles armor, if I remember correctly hes response was that we would love to make it but has never been able to get in contact with the person who first did the art work for the damocles so has never been able to get permission....least thats what I remember

Specifically, I did contact the artist for permission-licence. The artist said no, he believed, wrongly in my informed opinion, that gw owns the rights as he thought it was a derivative work in his opinion. Out of respect for the artist rights I did not persue it further or make the kits.

Sadly and wrongly, one of the russian sculptors "stole" his designs and I have seen him selling them on ebay. When he was asked on warseer if he had permission or asked to use the designs he said "no he did not ask, but if the owner contacts him he will be happy to discuss". :-(

Nick

What ever happened to the tau battle suit heads that you were making?

Hello Chapterhouse Studios customers and fans,

This week I have added something for the Tau players out there. We have designed 6 new head sculpts that are compatible with Games Workshops Tau Crisis Battlesuit model. Two separate kits, set #1 and set #2 are available for purchase for $4.00.

Each set comes with 3 different heads and a sprue of antenna for further customization - components come as unpainted pewter. These have been specially designed to fit on necks of the Battlesuit models with nothing but superglue, no modifications are necessary.

Click on the photos to be transferred to the product page of each item as well as more detailed photos.





We will continue to add alternative-custom bits for the Tau players out there in the coming months. My next newsletter will be showcasing the "Assault" version of our Javelin Imperial Jetbike and notify you all of its release (I said as much last news letter, we are waiting for the first kits to arrive).

Game On,

Nick Villacci

Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Those look pretty cool.

As a Tau player I'm kind of "meh" on these new heads. Something about the asthetic seems off to me.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:As a Tau player I'm kind of "meh" on these new heads. Something about the asthetic seems off to me.

Interesting as we had the same concept artist who did much of the artwork and concepts for the original Tau line work on these as well.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:As a Tau player I'm kind of "meh" on these new heads. Something about the asthetic seems off to me.

I'm with you. Sorry CH, I'm sure there are those who will like them...it's just individual taste. Some don't mind the current suit aesthetic and these head go with that. I prefer the sleaker FW variants so these heads are too blocky. Good to see Tau stuff regardless.

These actually look worse than the head that comes with the plastic kit. The FW variants are the way to go, although I realise they're very pricey (especially when you only want the heads). Hopefully we're not too far from a revised Crisis suit kit.

I guess this is why I don't play Tau normally. I actually like these heads.

I'm also not a fan of the heads, possibly something to do with the lack of two "horns" on either side of the face, but I'm excited by the prospect of more Tau bits. It would be great to see alternative arms and legs for battlesuits, the standard ones are just so lacking.

I don't mean to discourage you all, it's great to see Tau support, just this isn't my cup of tea.

Great job on the heads. If I ever decide to put together some crisis suits, I'll have to pick up some of these, if for no other reason than to add variety to my suits.

Set #1 doesn't sit well with me at all. Maybe it is the tall. elongated feel to them that affects me.

Set #2 show a front view only, so I don't know about those. They do seem a bit big to me, but that might very well be the angle or the paintjob.

To me, it looks like head 2 and 3 from set one, should be paired with head one from set 2. Just looks like those aestics fit better to me. Are individual sets of one head going to be put up? i.e. Set of 3 of head one from set one.

I would probably lose the "neck" and just add a half-ball to the bottom so the base of the head is almost sitting on the collar. (People can do that once they get them though.)

I like 1 and 2 from set 1 and 2 from set 2. The rest are kinda meh. Will you sell them individually or only in the sets?

Its a good point that the heads get placed a bit high, making them look goofy.

Also, I get confused trying to match the set 2 model display with a head from the box. Are there 4 variants in set 2 or is it a trick of the light?
Edit: no wait, I see it now its mirrored on the model. Clearly not sanctioned Imperial science, trick with mirrors.

I like that someone is working on Tau bits put I have to agree that the heads are a bit odd. I think more flat and wide would have been better. The necks stick out and are weedy. The heds should be lower, wider and something covering the neck from the front. If new tau bits have that look I will buy.

I think the heads are actually pretty cool looking. Though I'd prefer arms, legs, and weapon bits instead. But I may end up getting a few of these.

As somebody said already, the heads are really blocky. I associate Tau with rounded edges and ergonomic shapes...which is sort of why I hate the crisis suit model as a hole anyway. If you're going to make anything for the Crisis suits, for the love of god give them some new legs with thicker ankles...

I like the bottom left and top middle ones the most. Some seem a little weird.

Heh I like all the heads! They have a good techy feel to them and should look great for a commander or elite battlesuit.

Can't wait for the new jetbike variant, I have been waiting for that before placing a CH order.

I'm deciding if I should get some of the True-scale marine models. I was primarily looking at the really awesome ones produced by Warsmith, but, a few days before I was going to order them, they were tragically discontinued.
The Chapterhouse ones look pretty good, although something about them seems a bit off. On the plus side, they are cheaper, provide more parts, and supply an extra marine compared to the former, but I'm still undecided as of late.

I do think they are nice and will spice up a lot of generic Tau armies out there, and they do look decidedly Tau. Having said that I find myself liking Paulson Games new "not Tau" tau heads better.

SecretStamos wrote:I'm deciding if I should get some of the True-scale marine models. I was primarily looking at the really awesome ones produced by Warsmith, but, a few days before I was going to order them, they were tragically discontinued.
The Chapterhouse ones look pretty good, although something about them seems a bit off. On the plus side, they are cheaper, provide more parts, and supply an extra marine compared to the former, but I'm still undecided as of late.

Both were designed by hits_the_spot here on Dakka.

Absolutionis wrote:Both were designed by hits_the_spot here on Dakka.

That's really cool. The Space Crusader kits were outright incredible.

Those Tau heads get a giant "meh" from me.

The first set certainly fits in with Tau, could be good for distinguishing Team Leaders for XV8s or for Shas'vre/Bodyguard units.

The second set looks like they ran out of inspiration/ideas and just threw some bits on a block. The necks look too long or the head is placed too far back on the neck stalk. No real 'Wow!' factor for either, but these looked so very awesome when the original sculpt was being displayed but have lost me at the crucial sales point.

It's not the heads causing the weirdness, but the torsos. THe 1980s blocky robot look to the torsos has never meshed well with the rest of the model and now these new heads are accentuating it further.

frozenwastes wrote:It's not the heads causing the weirdness, but the torsos. THe 1980s blocky robot look to the torsos has never meshed well with the rest of the model and now these new heads are accentuating it further.

Wut?
The designer/sculptor was presumably able to look at the torso that he was meant to be designing heads to fit though. It's not the fault of the torso that he wasn't able to come up with something that meshed well with it, particulary as several people have produced head options that are as good or better than the originals.

I quite like these heads. Should i ever revisit Tau i will consider getting a few of these heads. I am quite partial to the left head of set 1 and the middle head of set 2.

plastictrees wrote:

frozenwastes wrote:It's not the heads causing the weirdness, but the torsos. THe 1980s blocky robot look to the torsos has never meshed well with the rest of the model and now these new heads are accentuating it further.

Wut?
The designer/sculptor was presumably able to look at the torso that he was meant to be designing heads to fit though. It's not the fault of the torso that he wasn't able to come up with something that meshed well with it, particulary as several people have produced head options that are as good or better than the originals.

In order for the head to look good, I think it needs to be twice as wide as the current heads and extend outside the width of the centre block of the torso (like the FW ones).

OR

The torso could be made rounder in some way.

Original head, these variations on the original, etc., simply can't fully compensate for the large sharpe-edged blocks that make up the centre torso.

The forge world designs that replace the torsos are excellent examples of correcting the issue. On their crisis suit models that use the standard torso, the weapons and arms are changed so drastically that the blocky torso no longer dominates the appearance of the model. Or they have a wider head.

I quite like the heads, but it would be useful if they could be bought in kits of 3 of the same head, or 1 of one design and 2 of another, as Its nice to have uniformity to your battlesuits and then have the team leader or commander in a bodyguard team stand out

I don't mind the head designs but the execution of the sculpting is IMO terrible.

Bobug wrote:I quite like the heads, but it would be useful if they could be bought in kits of 3 of the same head, or 1 of one design and 2 of another, as Its nice to have uniformity to your battlesuits and then have the team leader or commander in a bodyguard team stand out

Seconded.

I just got my Tau suit heads in today, and after looking at them, they are GREAT!!!! Not only are they pewter, but they are nearly perfect with very little flash, I think Nick is putting out very good stuff, and luckily Chapterhouse is a local business. I am very impressed with their product!!

I like heads 1 and 2 from the first set. But to be honest I couldn't care about the heads when I would rather see a new suit all together.
I think it's about time they drop the bulky box suit.

The Tau heads are kinda eh. I like the ones they come with. I do think a couple could be used as a replacement for the hellishly ugly multitracker however.