Oh, look. Forge World is making Jacks for Warmachine now.

Well that certainly isn't a contemptor lol...*prepares to watch a few people eat crowe lol *


Pretty interesting design, I question the need for it though, if the rumors of a plastic chaos dread and chaos contemptors are true, there certainly wasn't a gap for bipedal walkers in the line up lol...

Get your first post edited guv. No link, only one pic! C'MON!



It's a bloody monster!

Rules: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/decimator.pdf

A little love for the work-blocked please?

Shame there's no size comparison next to the Ork Megadread

Work blocked assistance !

Decapitators prediction came through then?

Breotan wrote:Oh, look. Forge World is making Jacks for Warmachine now.

Oh, I don't know, this one looks like his legs could support him.

Stoffer wrote:Decapitators prediction came through then?

I would say so.... I hope due apology is given!

Medium of Death wrote:Get your first post edited guv. No link, only one pic! C'MON!

No link? Did you even try to click on the picture?

It looks like a kit bash....they could have done better.

Forgeworld Newsletter # 298


Hi there,
In this week’s newsletter we delve deep within the Eye of Terror to unleash a new Chaos Daemon Engine, the Decimator, which is available to pre-order now alongside two new Zone Mortalis Door Sets. We’re also now accepting reservation orders for the Forge World Open Day, and there’s still time to get your AdeptiCon reservation order to us as well.

Chaos Decimator Daemon Engine
Chaos Decimator Daemon EngineThe Decimator is a brutal and hellish creation; the essence of a creature of the Warp bound and fettered within the armoured bulk of a bipedal war machine. Great slab-shoulders of tainted and defiled ceramite and adamantium, and a low-set ‘head’ give the Decimator a characteristic hunched posture which exudes brooding and vicious menace.

Inquisitorial savants do not know for sure what malefic party is responsible for this sinful innovation as the Decimator is capable of fielding a wide range of armament: rapid-firing Butcher Cannons, multi-barrelled Stormlasers, and great raking Siege Claws to name but a few. Towering over even the mighty Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts of the Adeptus Astartes, the Decimator is believed to be an attempt to bolster the ranks of such ancient devices that still serve the Traitor Legions. If this is the truth, then it is feared that many warriors of the Imperium will fall before these deadly war machines.

The Decimator Daemon Engine, designed by Daren Parrwood and Edgar Skomorowski, is an incredibly detailed full resin kit that stands roughly 4" (102mm) tall. Weapons for this fell war machine are sold separately, and Daren has designed three weapons kits that are released alongside the body kit: the Decimator Stormlaser, Decimator Siege Claw and Decimator Butcher Cannon. All these kits are available to pre-order now for despatch from Monday 2nd April, and you can also download experimental rules for the Decimator from the Forge World website.



Zone Mortalis Door Sets
Zone Mortalis Small Blast DoorsFollowing hot on the heels of our brand new Realm of Battle Zone Mortalis scenery tiles come two sets of detailed resin blast doors. Adding a new tactical dimension to the brutal and bloody conflicts of the Zone Mortalis experimental rules expansion, the Door Sets can be operated in one of three different modes in a scenario.

The Large Blast Door comprises a single, multi-part blast door measuring 3 ¾" (95mm) across and 2 ½" (64mm) tall, while the Small Blast Door Set contains two narrower doors, each measuring 1 ¾" (45mm) across. These detailed resin kits, designed by Blake Spence, are available to pre-order now for despatch from Monday 2nd April.


Forge World Events News:
Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham
Sunday 1st April will see Forge World and Warhammer Forge abandon our top-secret Manufactorum for our annual Open Day. This year’s event is bigger and better than ever as we will be taking over not only the Gaming Hall for our Sales stands but also the Staff Restaurant for our Studio displays.

You can now download a map of the event from the Forge World Events page to guide you around the Open Day, and we’ll be bringing you more details about the event in future newsletters. For now, we can whet your appetite with a few teasers: there will be two brand new participation games and as many of our detailed display boards as we can cram into the Studio area. We also intend to run a ‘Studio Café’ Q&A session, in addition to showcasing a vast array of work-in-progress miniatures, future releases and the incredibly painted models in our displays.

Our Sales stands will be packed with a huge selection of resin kits, books and modelling supplies, including some pre-release kits that will be announced in future newsletters, and as always the Open Day will be the first chance to purchase our 2012 Event Only models. We’ve designed both a Warhammer Forge model and a Forge World model once again, and while we can’t tell you what they are just yet, suffice to say we think they’re great!

We are now accepting reservation orders for the Forge World Open Day, which is the best way to ensure we have the exact product you want, packed up and waiting for you at the event. As with all our UK shows, Open Day reservation orders are pre-paid to make the collection process quicker and easier, leaving you with more time to enjoy the rest of the event.
Please telephone the Customer Service team on 0115 900 4995 to place a reservation order. We will require your name, a contact telephone number and e-mail address along with the list of products you wish to reserve, and you will also need your card details to hand. We’ll process the payment while you are on the phone, and in the week before the event you’ll receive a confirmation e-mail containing your order number. This is your proof of payment, and you must bring this e-mail with you to claim your order.

AdeptiCon 2012, 19th to 22nd April, Westin Lombard Yorktown Center, Chicago
Forge World will again be attending AdeptiCon this year, and we are still accepting reservation orders for this popular event. While we will be bringing a huge selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling products, placing a reservation order is the best way to ensure that we have exactly what you want packed up and waiting for you at the show.

You can either telephone us on 011 44 115 900 4995, or send an e-mail entitled ‘AdeptiCon 2012 Reservation’ to forgeworldreservations@games-workshop.co.uk. We will need your name, a list of the items that you wish to order, and a contact e-mail address for yourself by Monday 2nd April. In the week prior to the event, we will send you a confirmation e-mail containing your order number, details of any items that are unavailable, and a total cost in US$ (less local sales tax) that will be payable at the event.

Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World

Ouch! £15 for a single door (or two small ones). Truly, Zone Mortalis is for the rich wargamer.

Hmm. Is it just me, or does the Decimator's face convey a (presumably unwanted) overtone of "Mexican wrestler"?

The doors look nice; shame they're ridiculously pricey.

I was going to say it's actually fairly reasonably priced for Forgeworld, then I read this part:
"Weapons for this fell war machine are sold separately."

Makes sense, but $50+ US without arms is pretty expensive.

MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty interesting design

If you like that, you should check out Privateer Press.

They've got a whole game dedicated to designs like this.

Although the rules are experimental, I can definitely see the Mk of Nurgle becoming popular. It's armor values seem less than I would have imagined, but the model itself is awesome. Very cool and menacing pose and detail work.

Thanks s8n! Looks nice...although, yeah, it looks like a Jack. Now to think of an excuse to buy one for my Daemons...

SICK! And yeah, this pie is delicious humble.

But glad to be wrong! Awesome model!

Oh Momma....

biccat wrote:I was going to say it's actually fairly reasonably priced for Forgeworld, then I read this part:
"Weapons for this fell war machine are sold separately."

Makes sense, but $50+ US without arms is pretty expensive.

Oh god, I was almost persuaded

I don't currently play chaos.

I'm buying one.

Breotan wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Get your first post edited guv. No link, only one pic! C'MON!

No link? Did you even try to click on the picture?

No!



Your initial post is still a little bare though.

I really like the look of this monster.

It's an Elite choice for either Daemons or CSM.
It has Unholy Vigour - Wep. Destroyed or Immobolised Results ignored on a 5+. If wrecked (didn't explode) can get back up on a 6, destroyed on a 1. Can try again next turn on a 2-5.
It has Decimator Seige Claws - Ignores Armour, Re-roll wounds, 2d6 and pick the highest for Armour Pen. Passengers receive D6 heavy flamer hits if their transport suffers a penetrating hit.
A host of nice weapons.
Looks like a titan.

The Decimator is a brutal and hellish creation; the essence of a creature of the Warp bound and fettered within the armoured bulk of a bipedal war machine. Great slab-shoulders of tainted and defiled ceramite and adamantium, and a low-set ‘head’ give the Decimator a characteristic hunched posture which exudes brooding and vicious menace.

Inquisitorial savants do not know for sure what malefic party is responsible for this sinful innovation as the Decimator is capable of fielding a wide range of armament: rapid-firing Butcher Cannons, multi-barrelled Stormlasers, and great raking Siege Claws to name but a few. Towering over even the mighty Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts of the Adeptus Astartes, the Decimator is believed to be an attempt to bolster the ranks of such ancient devices that still serve the Traitor Legions. If this is the truth, then it is feared that many warriors of the Imperium will fall before these deadly war machines.

The Decimator Daemon Engine, model designed by Daren Parrwood and Edgar Skomorowski, is an incredibly detailed full resin kit that stands roughly 4" (102mm) tall. Weapons for this fell war machine are sold separately. This kit is available to pre-order now for despatch from Monday 2nd April, and you can also download experimental rules for the Decimator from the Forge World website.

I love it. And it's enormous!

I wonder what the 'soul burner petard' thing looks like.

Definitely want one of those. And definitely don't want a £15 door. Stupid Forge world...

Those rules are pretty overpowered! It ignores stunned and shaken results due to DP and if they destroy it, there's a chance it gets back up again! Plus the 5+ Inv save on top and the extra flamer hits on transports and buildings!

Not sure the guys at my local gaming club would like facing facing this but i'm very tempted to get one to march alongside my sonic dreadnought!

a few of the arms are on the FW website for order for £9.00 each.

Siege Claw


Butcher Cannon


Stormlaser

Also, weapons are £9 each.

Total price is £53 or about $80 US, plus shipping.

I like it, not a massive fan of the look of the claws, but nothing That's deal breaker.

The Doors seem a tad overpriced, which is a little sad :(

Chaos players rejoice!

No crazed rule, large model with a price comparative to the metal. Mark rules which make sense. It may have some powerful ranged weapons but then again it is only BS3 and is a massive points drain (nearly 200pts fully kitted out for range). The other issue is I3, but there aren't that many things striking at I4 and above which wreck vehicles (unless they are a MC).

Oh and the model is freakin' huge, it's spilling over a 60mm base.

i haven't had the urge to buy FW in a long time but this is something i WANT.. no NEED. the claws look sweet but i think so i think ill be getting a pair and a butcher cannon to swap out. The stormlaser looks like it would be prone to warp or break.

I'll just use my Death Jack for now to see how it runs.

Im a bit disapointed with this guy. On one hand I like the model but its actual use on the table is dipping almost to zero. Being twice as big as a standared dread mean he will be hard to give some cover too. His max strenght is 8, basic dreads are 6/10. His AV is low to me, I think he should have been 13-12-11 due to his size. Plus give him the upgrades that I see everyone taking(MoN and butcher cannon) he comes to 190 points. I could take a basic dread with twin Ac, H-flamer and extra armor for 130 and still give some more combi/power weapons to guys who wont be targeted first thing.
On the other hand the Unholy Vigor and D-possesion are Great benifits. Im just not sure if they outweigh the drawbacks.
Also I can see with some work... I can make him into the Deamon Prince I have been wanting to create. 8)

I love it. The rules are a bit over-the-top, but I like them too. This kit alone would have me start a Chaos Space Marines army.

Looking at it some more, I kind of want to cry that this isn't a plastic GW kit.

If Chaos got plastic kits like this, man-oh-man, I would start a new CSM army in a heartbeat.

What's the Decimator's AV look like?

whigwam wrote:What's the Decimator's AV look like?

12/11/11

Uh.. 12 / 11 /11 for armor values? Whats up with that considering how big it is. What dreadnought has a side armor value of 11?

Guess only marines get AV 13!

12/11/11

Ws and BS 3, S 8 , I 3 and A 4.

whigwam wrote:What's the Decimator's AV look like?

The experimental rules are in my post.

Damn, hoping for AV13. But this still looks great, thanks guys!

kronk wrote:The experimental rules are in my post.

Thanks, but I couldn't click through. Work-blocked!

Not sure what's overpowering about these rules. I guess if you compare them to the chaos dreadnought they're amazing but comparing them to imperial dreadnoughts it's really awful.

Close combat weapons but low AV and no fleet.. Semi-decent weapons but BS3. Sure it ignores stun/shaken but it has no real dangerous anti-tank or weapons that will reliably hit

Cool idea and GREAT model but a bit amazed at the rules.. Hopefully the official rules will be better than a standard dreadnought

Yeah I am definitely seeing me grabbing one with a couple of butcher cannons for my deathguard it's a thing of beauty.

Well, time for me to start saving up for a new forgeworld order!

That thing looks great.
I don't entirely agree with the Jack comment, I think it fits very well with Chaos and 40K in general and is a great looking model.
I haven't read the rules properly yet to make a reliable judgement of whether they're balanced, but it looks like it might be a bit overcosted.

This thing just screams "IRON WARRIORS" to me. Although it could realistically fit in almost any Chaos army with the right loadout.

So great, I might have to get it. Even though I don't own any Chaos.

Hmmm... After giving the rules a better look, I really like them. The claws and rules in general seem really nice, however I'd say it's over-costed/too fragile.

I think it's hitting power and special rules are very suitable (the hitting power is at least), but 155pts is too much considering it's size and fragility IMHO.

Give it 12/12/11 and it'd be more reasonably priced, give it 13/12/11 and it still may be fairly priced for its abilities, if not slightly undercosted.

I'm considering buying one with two butcher cannons, 8 str 8 shots is pretty damn brutal and with a MoN it will be shooting until it dies.

I think I'd rather put a pair of storm lasers on it.

6 to 10 AP3 shots that wound marines on 2's and deny power armor saves doesn't suck.

However, 8 S8 shots, even at BS3, will wreck some rhinos.

Gargantuan wrote:I'm considering buying one with two butcher cannons, 8 str 8 shots is pretty damn brutal and with a MoN it will be shooting until it dies.

Well, only 4 will probably hit, meaning that it's effectively Psyfleman damage output. But for ~60pts more, so although the butcher cannons look cool, I'm not convinced on its usefulness. As for durability, I'd say it's pretty similar to an existing Dread. Lower armour & bigger size, but can resist some level of damage.

I kind of like the Chaos walker thing. It looks a lot like the Chaos BFG ships, with the heavy use of exterior framing on angled pieces. It's a nice break from the smooth framed with rivets look of the Imperium stuff. (Although both sides use both styles occasionally).

Balance wrote:I kind of like the Chaos walker thing. It looks a lot like the Chaos BFG ships, with the heavy use of exterior framing on angled pieces. It's a nice break from the smooth framed with rivets look of the Imperium stuff. (Although both sides use both styles occasionally).

I agree that its a nice break. Although the armour plates remind me very much of the defiler, which I don't like so much.

Still, its cool enough for me to wanna get one.

I think its a great middle ground between the Scorpion and regular Dread. Only biggger!

The Legion of Brass WILL have 3 of these!

Looks like a mini warhound

Why does chaos tend to have low armor for size walkers anyways? The defiler is the same, its like twice as large as a dread but only 12 front armor

Rules are...decent I suppose. Typical FW wonky rules

I think its looks pretty cool. Its exactly the sort of twisted looks all chaos vehicles should have. The rules are pretty disappointing. This thing is as much taller than a Contemptor as a Contemptor is to a standard dreadnought. It looks about 4" tall... almost physically 2 standard dreadnoughts and yet its only a bit better than what you'd expect of a single standard dreadnought.

One thing no one's mentioned... It has "dedication" rules... and if the Chaos Codex is coming up as soon as rumored, these rules may reflect how the Chaos codex deals with dedication to the big-4.

Pretty lazy of them to make all the marks the same cost.

I think you meant to say pretty awesome of them to make all of the marks the same cost!

Eh. Atleast it's not a pile of crap loosely connected with the god it's aligned to with a gun of some sort ontop of a baneblade's bottom like other FW kits for Chaos. That one for Khorne is dumb as hell. A pillar of skulls and a cannon...on top of a baneblade's treads. Wooooooo. I'd laugh if I didn't know what the Loyalists got.

Trevak Dal wrote:Eh. Atleast it's not a pile of crap loosely connected with the god it's aligned to with a gun of some sort ontop of a baneblade's bottom like other FW kits for Chaos. That one for Khorne is dumb as hell. A pillar of skulls and a cannon...on top of a baneblade's treads. Wooooooo. I'd laugh if I didn't know what the Loyalists got.

Uh, the one you're referring to, the Pillar of Skulls, is not a FW kit. Get your facts straight, laddie.

I have really mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I like the rules despite the low AV. On the other hand, I'm not too crazy about the model. It does look very, very Warmachine-y. Which isn't neccesarily bad, per se, but if I liked that aesthetic, I'd be playing 40k instead. On the other-other hand, those big flat plates looks great for my Iron Warriors, but I don't like the legs that much.... so almost awesome. But not bad, and I think with some minor conversions it could be full awesome.

The price is a little high but in line with the Mega and Meka dreads.

Wow very cool guess I know what I am getting soon. Some how when I see this model all I hear is....

"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, and I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next!"

Fitting don't you think. So getting one of these!

Rules and weapons wise its pretty much a Contemptor dread, but just really big.

It also resembles an Imperial Knight Titan, but at 4", is much too small. Scale it up to 6"+ and you have a Knight.

Style wise, I guess FW wants us to buy Warmachine jacks for use in 40K...

It's like a midget knight titan from hell. I love it. Also, "butcher cannon" is such an awesome name for a weapon.

timd wrote:Style wise, I guess FW wants us to buy Warmachine jacks for use in 40K...

Someone needs to take a Nightmare warjack into a GW store and try to pass it off as the Forgeworld Decimator.

biccat wrote:

timd wrote:Style wise, I guess FW wants us to buy Warmachine jacks for use in 40K...

Someone needs to take a Nightmare warjack into a GW store and try to pass it off as the Forgeworld Decimator.

I think the tooth pick legs would be a dead give away.

Kind of an awesome big model, man this thing looks so sweet! I'd buy it with 2 of every weapon option. The claws just look wicked to me, and the Butch Cannon and Storm Laser are just so awesome in play. Style wise, I like. Did anyone see a hint of the ABC robot from Judge Dredd? Just a smallish bit?!

Towering over even the mighty Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts of the Adeptus Astartes, the Decimator is believed to be an attempt to bolster the ranks of such ancient devices that still serve the Traitor Legions.

So it looks like we will still be seeing the Chaos Contemptor at some point.

Damn, I really wish that I had a CSM army so I had a good reason for buying this. It looks awesome, but the rules are a bit mediocre, but that is what I expect from FW. They don't want to make powerful units, they want to make beautiful and fluffy miniatures.
When Chaos at some point gets a proper GW release, I'm going to be so poor because of all the FW models that come with it.


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Rabidweasel wrote:Those rules are pretty overpowered! It ignores stunned and shaken results due to DP and if they destroy it, there's a chance it gets back up again! Plus the 5+ Inv save on top and the extra flamer hits on transports and buildings!

Not sure the guys at my local gaming club would like facing facing this but i'm very tempted to get one to march alongside my sonic dreadnought!

What are you talking about? The 5+ save is only on weapon destroyed and immobilized results, not on wrecked and exploded results, and due to the huge size and less than impressive AV it is going to go down rather quickly. Remember that is also only has WS, BS and I 3 due to being posessed. I could imagine fielding this in a list with a lot of other AV threats, but I would probably field this anyway due to the model being so awesome.

timd wrote:

It also resembles an Imperial Knight Titan, but at 4", is much too small. Scale it up to 6"+ and you have a Knight.

Uh oh...

Anyway, I agree that the rules for it should have "more oomph" for something that size.

That's it.
C:CSM is totally going to be my next army after orks and necrons.

Now what to stick on it...I'm tempted to keep the decimator claw. The anti-transport thing sounds really interesting.
Maybe the storm laser for anti-infantry and anti light vehicle duty.

Nice Mini; my only fear is that they will eventually come up with even cooler god specific models. Guess I'll just convert this one appropriately until that happens.

Alpharius wrote:
Uh oh...

Anyway, I agree that the rules for it should have "more oomph" for something that size.

I really hope there will be some kind of new dreadnought variant in the upcoming CsM codex, that can be proxied with the decimator.

Darkseid wrote:Nice Mini; my only fear is that they will eventually come up with even cooler god specific models. Guess I'll just convert this one appropriately until that happens.

Alpharius wrote:
Uh oh...

Anyway, I agree that the rules for it should have "more oomph" for something that size.

I really hope there will be some kind of new dreadnought variant in the upcoming CsM codex, that can be proxied with the decimator.

Or even better, the decimator will be in the new C:CSM


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Bonde wrote:Damn, I really wish that I had a CSM army so I had a good reason for buying this. It looks awesome, but the rules are a bit mediocre, but that is what I expect from FW. They don't want to make powerful units, they want to make beautiful and fluffy miniatures.
When Chaos at some point gets a proper GW release, I'm going to be so poor because of all the FW models that come with it.


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Rabidweasel wrote:Those rules are pretty overpowered! It ignores stunned and shaken results due to DP and if they destroy it, there's a chance it gets back up again! Plus the 5+ Inv save on top and the extra flamer hits on transports and buildings!

Not sure the guys at my local gaming club would like facing facing this but i'm very tempted to get one to march alongside my sonic dreadnought!

What are you talking about? The 5+ save is only on weapon destroyed and immobilized results, not on wrecked and exploded results, and due to the huge size and less than impressive AV it is going to go down rather quickly. Remember that is also only has WS, BS and I 3 due to being posessed. I could imagine fielding this in a list with a lot of other AV threats, but I would probably field this anyway due to the model being so awesome.

Yep, and you only have 1 chance with the 5+ save. If its failed it stays failed.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yep, and you only have 1 chance with the 5+ save. If its failed it stays failed.

Well, unless you take MoN. Seems like the best choice IMO.

Edit: Also, Unholy* Vigor does mean that it can possibly recover from Wrecked results.

whigwam wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yep, and you only have 1 chance with the 5+ save. If its failed it stays failed.

Well, unless you take MoN. Seems like the best choice IMO.

That only allows for rerolls though. If you fail it the second time, then it stays failed. So 2 chances before failure

Breotan wrote:Oh, look. Forge World is making Jacks for Warmachine now.

It looks nearly identical to a Warlord titan.

I like the rules for it not sure why some think they are weak. It would do real well against infantry with the lasers or real well against tans with the cannon. As for its look, I think it resembles a Khador jack more than a dreadnought. If I played Chaos I would definately want to get a few of them though.

Lovely model, from what Aura was just saying when she saw it, if she ends up with Chaos this year from the starter box, she plans on using them as her Dreadnoughts.

Meh, I don't like it. It's not bad in any way, just kinda bland. I'd rather have a Chaos Contemptor. Or build one myself.

Huh. $80 USD isn't the worst price ever for this. If I have the money it would be nice to eventually get one of these for my Emperor's children or Iron Warriors.


Points wise it's prety over coasted, but I like the niche it fits. Ever since 5th ed I've been stuck in the "9 oblit rut". Now that I have elite slot dedicated Anti-Tank/MEQ, I can free up heavy slots for some of the other options.
=D

Anything that gives my chaos decent options I'm all for at this point.

Holy Jesus. Take all of my money FW!

Don't like its stat line in the least. 3 BS, WS and Initiative is pretty meh. Not to mention only 12 front and 11 everywhere else. Given it's description, I would've guessed 13 12 11 or something. Besides that, what exactly does it do? It's a bloated dreadnought that still only moves 6" with 3 BS. The claws are gimicky.

I'll just use it as a chaos dreadnought.

Alpharius wrote:

timd wrote:

It also resembles an Imperial Knight Titan, but at 4", is much too small. Scale it up to 6"+ and you have a Knight.

Uh oh...

Anyway, I agree that the rules for it should have "more oomph" for something that size.

+1 Agree on "more oomph".
Perhaps the marks should just have been Khorne +1A, Nurgle +1 AV on side armour, Slaneesh +1I and assault grenades and Tzeentch +1 BS. That would have been a lot simpler, but perhaps the current experimental marks fit with a possible new theme of marked vehicles in the upcoming Chaos Legions Codex.

Very interessting that the Butchercannon looks like the Reapercannon. A sign of things to come?

I really like it. WIll have to get one sometime.

Darkseid wrote:Very interessting that the Butchercannon looks like the Reapercannon. A sign of things to come?

Well, considering how butcher cannons seem to be popping up everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if they removed the reaper and replace it with the butcher.

That looks awesome! Much better than the Contemptor and Chaos Dreads.

Bonde wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

timd wrote:

It also resembles an Imperial Knight Titan, but at 4", is much too small. Scale it up to 6"+ and you have a Knight.

Uh oh...

Anyway, I agree that the rules for it should have "more oomph" for something that size.

+1 Agree on "more oomph".
Perhaps the marks should just have been Khorne +1A, Nurgle +1 AV on side armour, Slaneesh +1I and assault grenades and Tzeentch +1 BS. That would have been a lot simpler, but perhaps the current experimental marks fit with a possible new theme of marked vehicles in the upcoming Chaos Legions Codex.

I wish slaanesh would stop being confused about if he wanted shooty or assault guys. I.E: Noise Mariens. The M.o.S on the decimate giving Defensive grenades is nice if you are running it shooty with your noise mariens. (Helps it tie up combats, and block charges), but other wise not realy worth it's 15 points.

Would rather see something that compliments the noise marines more in all honesty. Like gives it a doom siren attack and/or access to some heavy duty sonic weapons.
=/

GW.
All of my money.

Base model for a Dreadknight anyone?

Seems the right size...

Hmmm, I haven't bought any models of any sort since october 2010.

On a related note, I now have an answer for when my parents ask me if I have anything I want for my 18th birthday.

Lockark: Meh, apparently they decided that Slaanesh wouldn't be good for anything other than ridiculous psyker powers some time ago.

The model definitely looks very WM inspired. But WM looks titan inspired so meh...

The rules are needlessly bloated. Get rid of the stupid necronesque rule, raise the AV a point on front and side. Drop the super special save and just let it benefit from Daemonic Possession. I would roll special saves, fleet, etc. Into the marks.

This guy will be vastly more useful than the overpriced Contemptor.

This guy is awesome, and better value than the contemptor

A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Ratliker wrote:well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Yeah. Low armor doesn't necessarily mean weak. Look at necron vehicles.
They also technically have low armor, but they have enough special abilities to counter-act that (Quantum Shielding, living metal, symbiotic repair...)


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Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

Why would anyone have an issue with this being a counts as Dread in 40K btw?

I've seen Deff Dreads bigger than this thing, most of the time its a disadvantage to the user of the model as its easier to see, and less like to get a hull down save.

Hell, I think my own Deff Dread in the Gallery is as big if not bigger than this guy, and no one batted an eyelid when I took him to Lenton for the 40K doubles tournie.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

I think he means you can proxy the contemptor as a regular dreadnought.

Ratliker wrote:well it clearly is meta-ment to be deployed wyth 2 bucher cannon and mark of nurgle, a supa-psi-dakka dread For Kai'os!
low armur are lame, but i think they are low to balance the unholy vigour.

Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

That with two butcher cannons and mark of tzeentch seems mad OP. 8 S8AP4 shots that reroll 1s to hit at only 210 xD.

whitedragon wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Alpharius wrote:A better value how?

And to me, it is a rather ridiculous looking thing - way oversized for what it can do, at least for now.

Contemptors all the way for me!

Plus, they at least have the added benefit as functioning as "counts as" Dreadnoughts in 'regular' games of 40K.

Why would you proxy it as an ordinary dreadnaught?

I think he means you can proxy the contemptor as a regular dreadnought.

Why would you proxy a contemptor as a normal dread? Sure it'll look good, but if I pay for a special dread, then I am sure as hell would use it as a special dread.

I think the Decimator looks pretty ace. Anyone know when the Khador Codex comes out?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Why would you proxy a contemptor as a normal dread? Sure it'll look good, but if I pay for a special dread, then I am sure as hell would use it as a special dread.

For a game/event that doesn't allow FW units, of course!!

Oh man, I like the look of this beast. Just trying now to think how I can get rid of the chaosy bits and add it to my marine army!

123birds wrote:That with two butcher cannons and mark of tzeentch seems mad OP. 8 S8AP4 shots that reroll 1s to hit at only 210 xD.

Or you could have a psyfleman with 4 of the same shots and which have BS4 instead of 3, and re-roll on a 1-2 instead of just a 1. And has side armor 12. And is smaller. And costs almost half as much. And has fortitude.

It looks pretty damn cool. However, the 80's called and they want their shoulder pads back

Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

H.B.M.C. wrote:Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

Come on - pick a side!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Seems all FW threads are the same - people complaining that the new unit is [too powerful/not powerful enough].

Uh, and what did you expect people to focus on? Arguing about whether it has too many or too few spikes? Rules make or break purchases for many people.

Which in turn, ph34r, just leads to a "is FW legal argument".



Slinky - I choose the "It's a cool model and I care little what it's rules are as I'll make my own" side. Is that a real side?

That's mine, HBMC. Rules change, I'll always like the model!

ph34r wrote:Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

If by almost twice as much you mean 60% more.

It's totally immune to stunning and shaken, which is better than Fortitude.

It stands back up 11/36 times and has a 5/9 save vs weapon destroyed/immobilized.

It averages 4 hits at S8 with 2 Butcher's Cannons. Riflemen average 3.7. 2 Butcher Cannons can get 8 hits, 2 autocannons can get 4.

*Dedication to Nurgle is the only one worth considering, and it may as well be mandatory. For this reason, I doubt the Dedication's will remain the same when the real rules come out.

I think I need to see it painted before I cast judgement. I like it, but I want to see it in some chaotic colors.

I like the model but it seems like one could make a scratch built without too much sculpting (or a ton of sculpting if you want to go the uber-Nurgle route).

yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which in turn, ph34r, just leads to a "is FW legal argument".

It's true, but is that a problem? There is not much more to discuss.

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

DarknessEternal wrote:

ph34r wrote:Yeah, except it has the firepower of a regular psyfleman dreadnought, but costs almost 2x as much. And it has weak side armor. But I guess you can stand back up 1/6 of the time and have a sort of 5+ invulnerable?

If by almost twice as much you mean 60% more.

It's totally immune to stunning and shaken, which is better than Fortitude.

It stands back up 11/36 times and has a 5/9 save vs weapon destroyed/immobilized.

It averages 4 hits at S8 with 2 Butcher's Cannons. Riflemen average 3.7. 2 Butcher Cannons can get 8 hits, 2 autocannons can get 4.

*Dedication to Nurgle is the only one worth considering, and it may as well be mandatory. For this reason, I doubt the Dedication's will remain the same when the real rules come out.

So you pay 60% more points for a large model that will rarely get cover, which has a piddling 8% increased firepower. 100% immunity to stunned and shaken is good, and a bit better than fortitude, but you're going to need it with your side armor 11. The standing back up is pretty decent.

Overall the nurgle mark is the only thing that puts it into "maybe" territory. It's hard to decide what to root on for this model, as a chaos player it looks awesome but if the rules are too viable nobody will want to play it. (just for you HBMC)

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Mmh 80$ plus shipping huh?...

Ok Warmachine Khador or Protectorate of Menoth Warjacks!, there is finaly a use for you guys!

Just had Defilers armors plates on the shoulders, chaos bits and voila!!!

Rimmy wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Dude read the thread or the FW site for the experimental rules and you will see...

Rimmy wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Rimmy wrote:yea stop me here if i'm way out of line, but whats it FOR?

a chaos contemptor?

I almost wish it'd be large and just call it a Chaos Knight class titan. just needs a bigger base if you ask me.

Its a whole new unit...

that doesn't exactly answer my question. what is its intended purpose?

Oh I see!
Well, I would imagine it to be anti-transport, considering its claw special ability. Isn't it cheaper than a contemptor too?
It appears to be a bit nastier against meqs than dreadnaughts.
Oh, and its really, really hard to kill. Until your opponent rolls that 1, then the decimator will always be a threat on the field.

I quite like the look of the Decimator but I will have to agree that the sizing of the model is a little goofy. Does anyone else suspect the model was oversized for because of “rule of cool”? Also I’m also going to agree with the Warmachine comparisons. As a Cryx collector, I can see a strong resemblance to the Slayer chassis.

In regards to the rules, they’re not as bad as I though they would be. I think they just need a little more “finetuning”. I’d either boost the side armour to 12pts or lower the base point cost by about 15-20pts.

As a side note, I quite like the fact that the model has rules for dedication. Hopefully this is a sign for what’s to come in the next CSM dex.

I have no problem with the armor tbh. A dread has what? 12-12-10? Well this guy has 12-11-11. Seems right to me.

This guy's biggest draw is the fact that it can be taken with a Chaos Daemon army.

Twin Butcher Cannons means it comes out of the gate with 8 Str 8, AP 4 attacks on BS 3. For an army needing firepower, it gets a massive amount just from the Elites slot with this guy.

Let me say I love the model. It looks very cool, however the rules have me worried. The rules seem to introduced an inordinate amount of randomness into the model. Maybe you immobile it, maybe you don't. Maybe you kill it and maybe you don't.

Wasn't the biggest complaint from fantasy players with their new edition was the randomness involved with everything? Is this the new direction of 6th edition? Random everything where tactical moves are at the whims of random die rolls? This has me worried.

DarthDiggler wrote:Let me say I love the model. It looks very cool, however the rules have me worried. The rules seem to introduced an inordinate amount of randomness into the model. Maybe you immobile it, maybe you don't. Maybe you kill it and maybe you don't.

Wasn't the biggest complaint from fantasy players with their new edition was the randomness involved with everything? Is this the new direction of 6th edition? Random everything where tactical moves are at the whims of random die rolls? This has me worried.

Random for the opponent. Not the controlling player. I'm a necron player; I'm used to this sort of mechanic.

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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Why would you proxy a contemptor as a normal dread? Sure it'll look good, but if I pay for a special dread, then I am sure as hell would use it as a special dread.

For a game/event that doesn't allow FW units, of course!!

That would be why, of course!

The Decimator is nice, but a bit too big in terms of size compared to rules, I guess?

It's not about the size. It's about how you use it!

That's what people with small Dreadnoughts say lol

I still find it very interesting that this model was made at all... very curious to see if they release new chaos dreads and contemptors in the near future as well...

This model has me re-contemplating a Dark mechanicum legio Cybernetica force for my apoc games....

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Oh I see!
Well, I would imagine it to be anti-transport, considering its claw special ability. Isn't it cheaper than a contemptor too?
It appears to be a bit nastier against meqs than dreadnaughts.
Oh, and its really, really hard to kill. Until your opponent rolls that 1, then the decimator will always be a threat on the field.

It's not *that* hard to kill. It can't be stunlocked, which is more or less the same as a Grey Knights Dreadnought, and 1/3 of the time (without the Mark of Nurgle) it will ignore Damaged results. It then has a 1/6 chance of standing back up after being wrecked. I don't know about you, but those aren't particularly good odds; certainly not good enough to rely on. They might be a nice little surprise bonus at times, kind of like repairing the immobilised result of a Rhino, but you can't base the survivability of the Decimator on this rule.

The only real benefit with this rule is that it makes the Decimator almost immune to glancing hits (only 1/9 glancing hits will actually do anything!), which is pretty nice.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Slinky - I choose the "It's a cool model and I care little what it's rules are as I'll make my own" side. Is that a real side?

Indeed it is and I concur wholeheartedly!

This model is just oozing with awesome sauce!

Breotan wrote:Oh, look. Forge World is making Jacks for Warmachine now.

Just what I thought too!

I'd say it owes as much of its look to a warhound as it does to a warjack.

I think replacing both arms with butcher cannons for 8 s8 shots is going to be a strong choice for CSM players if this becomes legal... Its like the CSM psi-riflemen dread!

Regarding the cost, initially it seemed steep but it comes with a virtually auto-passing fortitude (hence BS 3 from possession, sigh), 4 more shots than a regular Psirifleman dread, a semi 5+ invul save from imobilizied/weapon destroyed results and has the chance to get back up fairly reliably with MON. It basically is a super venerable dread without the twinlinked BS 5 =/.

Yeah, there's a much more obvious Titan legacy there.
The warjack comparisons are pretty strained, unless your talking about the new colossals which are...not out yet.

And because I need to get more use out of my two gallery images:

krazynadechukr wrote:

Breotan wrote:Oh, look. Forge World is making Jacks for Warmachine now.

Just what I thought too!

Im sorry, but the decimator doesn't look like a copy of a warjack at all.

You can't say that its the huge pauldrons cause well....SM and all

you can't say that its the location of the face cause well....dreadnoughts

you cant say that its the style cause one is goofy with a lot of open spaces and the other is full of details

Really, I don't understand why people are saying that the dreads are a copy of warjacks; they're not.

And if these are meant to be jokes and are not serious....I guess im sleep deprived? :p

it looks epic! i am a little mystified about the AV, but the rules are experimental, it can be chnaged with feedback.

as for the whole weapons-and-body-separate thing, we could always make our own weapons since it comes with arms, just not hands.

definitely considering buying one!


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@blitz: to be fair, they look almost identitcal minus small details asnd the decoration on the armour.

thats not a bad thing though, since it looks better than the warjacks

Wow, an awkward, silly looking model, and poorly implemented rules! What a treat.

What? Games workshop and Forge world are releasing more Space marine stuff?! *Gasp* What a surprise.

Cheexsta wrote:
It's not *that* hard to kill. It can't be stunlocked, which is more or less the same as a Grey Knights Dreadnought, and 1/3 of the time (without the Mark of Nurgle) it will ignore Damaged results. It then has a 1/6 chance of standing back up after being wrecked. I don't know about you, but those aren't particularly good odds; certainly not good enough to rely on.

It ignores Shaken, Stunned, Weapon Destroyed and Immobilized on a 5+, Wrecked and Exploded on a 6+ that fixes weapons and immobilizes. That is more than 1/3.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:
It's not *that* hard to kill. It can't be stunlocked, which is more or less the same as a Grey Knights Dreadnought, and 1/3 of the time (without the Mark of Nurgle) it will ignore Damaged results. It then has a 1/6 chance of standing back up after being wrecked. I don't know about you, but those aren't particularly good odds; certainly not good enough to rely on.

It ignores Shaken, Stunned, Weapon Destroyed and Immobilized on a 5+, Wrecked and Exploded on a 6+ that fixes weapons and immobilizes. That is more than 1/3.

Just to nitpick, it does not ignore "Explode" results on a 6+ only wrecked

Blitza da warboy wrote:Really, I don't understand why people are saying that the dreads are a copy of warjacks; they're not.

Nobody said dreads were copies of Warjacks, especially since dreads have been around a wee bit longer than Warjacks. I made a joke because the Decimator reminded me of a Warjack more than it did a Dreadnought.

Ordered 2 of those. 1 with double dakkas, 1 with double claws. The later I plan on use as IW DP if my opponents do not accept FW rules.

Blitza da warboy wrote:Im sorry, but the decimator doesn't look like a copy of a warjack at all.

Did you miss the smokestack, boiler on the back, and butt-vent? Not to mention the human-like feet, which is a WarMachine aesthetic. 40K robots tend to have splayed feet more like a bird than human.

I have already ordered 2!!

DarthDiggler wrote:Let me say I love the model. It looks very cool, however the rules have me worried. The rules seem to introduced an inordinate amount of randomness into the model. Maybe you immobile it, maybe you don't. Maybe you kill it and maybe you don't.

Wasn't the biggest complaint from fantasy players with their new edition was the randomness involved with everything? Is this the new direction of 6th edition? Random everything where tactical moves are at the whims of random die rolls? This has me worried.

If I can draw your attention to Weirdboys, Shokk attack guns and ramshackle damage tables you'll see that Ork players have had to deal with randomness since their current codex was released.

That thing is sick

Congrats to The Decapitator for being spot-on with his prediction!

This thing is very impressive... still not totally sure what I think of it.

plastictrees wrote:Yeah, there's a much more obvious Titan legacy there.
The warjack comparisons are pretty strained, unless your talking about the new colossals which are...not out yet.

And because I need to get more use out of my two gallery images:

Lol, brilliant

MajorTom11 wrote:That's what people with small Dreadnoughts say lol

I still find it very interesting that this model was made at all... very curious to see if they release new chaos dreads and contemptors in the near future as well...

I have a strong suspicion that this is going to be represented in IA12:The Morros Incident. It's rumored to contain Tzeentch forces that aren't Thousand Sons.

We'll see a few of these running around on that prison planet, killing stuff, maiming stuff, and rocking out to death metal...

Looks pretty, but hate the execution. how does it move its arms? Limited shoulder cup and ball joint with maybe 15 degrees movement, so does it just piston its claws back and forth or what? Moving from the elbow hinge and rotatinf the shoulder in line only.... sorry, I just hate badly consider construct movement, pet hate

Druidic wrote:Looks pretty, but hate the execution. how does it move its arms? Limited shoulder cup and ball joint with maybe 15 degrees movement, so does it just piston its claws back and forth or what? Moving from the elbow hinge and rotatinf the shoulder in line only.... sorry, I just hate badly consider construct movement, pet hate

I think it can actually move its arm a bit more than that. The pauldron doesn't seem to cover the joint entirely.

I have a strong suspicion that this is going to be represented in IA12:The Morros Incident. It's rumored to contain Tzeentch forces that aren't Thousand Sons.

Any threads/further info on this about?

I like it.

Its interesting that its not a dreadnought variant, like a contempter.

and even more interesting is its obviously not piloted by a chaos space marine given the stat-line.

Which makes the divergent look from CSM dreds seem highly appropriate.

Ratius wrote:

I have a strong suspicion that this is going to be represented in IA12:The Morros Incident. It's rumored to contain Tzeentch forces that aren't Thousand Sons.

Any threads/further info on this about?

Here.

It also gets mentioned on The Independent Characters podcast and on 40k Radio podcasts a little while back.

Give it a battle cannon on its back or shoulder and BAM you have a great chaos defiler.

add a heavy flamer and its wysiwyg

Make a good demon prince

physcosamatic wrote:Give it a battle cannon on its back or shoulder and BAM you have a great chaos defiler.

add a heavy flamer and its wysiwyg

Don't have to. The claw comes with one

biccat wrote:

Blitza da warboy wrote:Im sorry, but the decimator doesn't look like a copy of a warjack at all.

Did you miss the smokestack, boiler on the back, and butt-vent? Not to mention the human-like feet, which is a WarMachine aesthetic. 40K robots tend to have splayed feet more like a bird than human.

Dreadnoughts have smokestacks, that's not a boiler in the back, its where the daemon is kept in (hence the chains), butt vent.....that's too general and deff dreads, contempor dreadnoughts, and tau battlesuits also have normal feet.

I go away for a couple of days and look what happens.

Well I hope this will keep a few of the naysayers quiet anyway....

More to come, and you're not going to like it...

The Decapitator wrote:I go away for a couple of days and look what happens.

Well I hope this will keep a few of the naysayers quiet anyway....

More to come, and you're not going to like it...

Oh, is there going to be more necron stuff? I mean, they have been neglected for a good 8 years or so.\

Edit : Aw crap, I just read the "not"

The Decapitator wrote:More to come, and you're not going to like it...

...We're going to love it?

It's a bit pricey to say the least, but it looks mean and I like the dual heavy flamers for dealing with wordes. It's also very durable if your dice don't utterly hate you.

I do dislike both GW and FW's penchant for sticking 3's on BD and WS for Defilers and now this. I can accept BS as more enraged daemons probably aren't ccrack shots, but you're telling me they're only average even at rending enemies with their giant mecha-talons?

Sephyr wrote:It's a bit pricey to say the least, but it looks mean and I like the dual heavy flamers for dealing with wordes. It's also very durable if your dice don't utterly hate you.

I do dislike both GW and FW's penchant for sticking 3's on BD and WS for Defilers and now this. I can accept BS as more enraged daemons probably aren't ccrack shots, but you're telling me they're only average even at rending enemies with their giant mecha-talons?

I think the low WS is meant to represent that they aren't disciplined fighters; Just a POed demon flailing around.

whigwam wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:More to come, and you're not going to like it...

...We're going to love it?

Let's hope so.

OPTIMISM! YEAH!

Medium of Death wrote:

whigwam wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:More to come, and you're not going to like it...

...We're going to love it?

Let's hope so.

OPTIMISM! YEAH!

Optimism+GW or FW=huge fething mess of a topic

Or at least thats how rumor threads usually go

H.B.M.C. wrote:Which in turn, ph34r, just leads to a "is FW legal argument".



Slinky - I choose the "It's a cool model and I care little what it's rules are as I'll make my own" side. Is that a real side?

When it comes to GW all I care about is the model...I dont play their game systems.

picking one up at adepticon, no only if they could approve the rules for use in the gladiator. pick it up friday paint it fri-sat and play with it on sunday. WIN!!!

I made some observations on this on my blog
http://www.3forint.com/2012/03/forge-world-decimator-preview-pics-and.html


The short of it all is.

AWESOME!!!

I like the 2 shooty versions better than the assaulty version. I already ordered my first one!

The DoW modders sure are fast

What mod is that? It looks kick-ass.

Joshh wrote:What mod is that? It looks kick-ass.

Its a wip

http://www.moddb.com/mods/dark-prophecy-mod

Do we know if they will make Soul Burner Petards?
And does anyone know what those should look like?

poipo32 wrote:Do we know if they will make Soul Burner Petards?
And does anyone know what those should look like?

Probably. I guess it will look like some sort of demonic mortar.

Makes me want to commit heresy! :9

But seriously, rumors of cultists (possibly mixed with CSM) making a return in 6th Ed and now this? I'm looking for a second army to play, and Chaos has me interested!

I absolutely love this model, and didn't think warjack at all when I saw it, mostly due to its thicker legs. I did, however, think transformer. The face reminds me of Megatron a bit with the glare and the dangling spikey bits on the face. Also, long thin spinny claws seems very transformer as well.

As for the rules, I hate them. S8 lightning claws with special anti-transport rule? Compare this to a death company dread with blood talons. Higher WS, same attacks, same re-rolling to wound, higher initiative, and special rule that seriously puts the HURT on infantry. Also ignores stunned and shaken and has a 4+ cover save.....from just getting in cover on the way in. Also has a meltagun and for 15 points totes a second S8 Ap2 weapon.

Or the furioso dread, which can also take blood talons, is AV 13, WS6, I4 for only 125 and has a meltagun.

This guy is just way way overcosted. And the mark of Nurgle will be a hindrance as often as it will be a boon. Oh, you rolled a 1, rerolled and got a 6! Yes!

Oh, and for the other one you rolled a 5, and then rolled a 1....darn it. And that only works on "wrecked" results. If it explodes its out for the count. Same rules apply as always - shoot it until it's immobilized and then leave it alone. If it's the shooty variety, then work on its arms. But as most people have said, doubling up on butcher cannons makes it "as good" as a psyrifle but at nearly 200 points. Yay? Seems that's the trend for chaos lately. "Almost as good, for more points!" ever since space wolves came out.

I will get one when I have the extra cash, but it will probably just serve as a chaos dreadnought for my Emperor's Children, or as a death company dread in my counts-as BA Emperor's Children list.

Spellbound wrote:I absolutely love this model, and didn't think warjack at all when I saw it, mostly due to its thicker legs. I did, however, think transformer. The face reminds me of Megatron a bit with the glare and the dangling spikey bits on the face. Also, long thin spinny claws seems very transformer as well.

As for the rules, I hate them. S8 lightning claws with special anti-transport rule? Compare this to a death company dread with blood talons. Higher WS, same attacks, same re-rolling to wound, higher initiative, and special rule that seriously puts the HURT on infantry. Also ignores stunned and shaken and has a 4+ cover save.....from just getting in cover on the way in. Also has a meltagun and for 15 points totes a second S8 Ap2 weapon.

Or the furioso dread, which can also take blood talons, is AV 13, WS6, I4 for only 125 and has a meltagun.

This guy is just way way overcosted. And the mark of Nurgle will be a hindrance as often as it will be a boon. Oh, you rolled a 1, rerolled and got a 6! Yes!

Oh, and for the other one you rolled a 5, and then rolled a 1....darn it. And that only works on "wrecked" results. If it explodes its out for the count. Same rules apply as always - shoot it until it's immobilized and then leave it alone. If it's the shooty variety, then work on its arms. But as most people have said, doubling up on butcher cannons makes it "as good" as a psyrifle but at nearly 200 points. Yay? Seems that's the trend for chaos lately. "Almost as good, for more points!" ever since space wolves came out.

I will get one when I have the extra cash, but it will probably just serve as a chaos dreadnought for my Emperor's Children, or as a death company dread in my counts-as BA Emperor's Children list.

I agree with everything you said, although I think the Decimator looks more like the "stand up on two legs defilers" that several folks have converted throughout the years, only better! I would use it as a defiler in my Chaos army.

Looks like a chaos version of the iron giant

Rabidweasel wrote:Those rules are pretty overpowered! It ignores stunned and shaken results due to DP and if they destroy it, there's a chance it gets back up again! Plus the 5+ Inv save on top and the extra flamer hits on transports and buildings!

Not sure the guys at my local gaming club would like facing facing this but i'm very tempted to get one to march alongside my sonic dreadnought![/quote

just looking but there are several 40k vehicle types that can ignore stun/shaken, a few character that can get back up. oh. and the rules are EXPERIMENTAL...just saying. Give it a try in a game, proxy it, try it for 3 games (thats how we usually start judging a vehicles OP at my local GW).

We tried out the land raider achiles everyone was complaining about thats to OP for regular games. Well let me tell you in 3 of 5 games I proxied, it was destroyed before i could get in range with the meltas. las cannons, gauss (got glanced to death), etc. Before you suggest something is overpowered, try it out for a number of games and see it in action. Spouting out OP on forums gets people in a frenzy when there are no facts to back it up.

On the other hand it is a powerful vehicle, so we will see if it lives up to its name. Got guys that use contemptors and megadreads in tourneys at the store, interesting to see how they fare against this.



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Viersche wrote:Looks like a chaos version of the iron giant

lol. that is so true.