philBrad2 wrote:Not much on design studio. FW Bran Redmaw (nice) plasma macharius. Eldar warp hunter. Falcon with a, D cannon. (...)
There is nothing on the Deisgn Studio stand (I currently sit above it) for 40K all GW are doing is pimping Dreadfleet, Ogres and Storm of Magic. Only interesting 40K bits I've seen is a some new greens. New Cadian IG, a new Warlock and a Storm Guardian,

FW nothing really apart from Bran we've not seen, semiar is sold out couldn't get a ticket for sither session this year. Retial is an absolute nightmare, who thought of putting BL, FW and GW retail in the smallest hall with restricted access needs giving the Emperor's Mercy its totally stupid. So far with GD2011 I'm disappointed.
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Tamila has confirmed to me when discussing IA11 the Solitaire has been removed , wondering if this is at GW's request??

Sephiroth wrote:No sign of Necrons...

eldargal wrote:No details yet, DrLove on BoLS Lounge just said there were 3 new DE skimmers, he was on his way into the FW seminar at the time. I think he said he would post pictures afterwards.

DrLove42 wrote:FW seminar over. Lots to post. Big things:

IA12 is not DE. Its a prison asteroid, penal guard, minotaur marines and Tzeentch chaos
The 3 new DE skimmer I mentioned will not be made due to time constraints. Other than the phoenix lord, no new xenos is planned for a while
But a chaos contemptor is due

More when I can

Chaos Undecided wrote:The guy at the FW seminar said that Book 11 The Doom of Mymeara (spelling?) should be out in the next few months so I guess they want it out before Christmas, Book 12 The Merros Incident still in the works and there was mention of another masterclass book.

TheMournival wrote:Was told by FW designers that the Chaos Contemptor is 3-4 months away! A generic version will be released first, then legion/God specific versions later!

stickmonkey wrote:Ill also confirm the eldar warlock and storm guardian are training sculpts.

fraggle wrote:Managed to attend both the BL & FW seminars. Not sure if here is ok for BL so will stick to 40k stuff.

Imperial Armour masterclass 2 is next book after IA 11.
Then IA12 - The Morros Incident - contents as reported previously. Little extra details given except for minotaurs pads etc.

No further Badab Characters to be released.

New Contemptor arm - power claw with a graviton gun mounted inside (pic to follow).

Land Raider Proteus variant with side armour like the 'pre -heresy style mk2' LR. and also different weapon load out to the proteus just released (heavy bolters and melta guns (pic to follow)

Shadow spectre lord - dont think it is female judging from photo

Rapier and Omega as prevously mentioned (although name of omega may change based on Tony's poll in the sem)

Pre-heresy termies very likely - talked about in a tongue in cheek way.

Probable chapter specific versions of contemptor - although 'not in the order you may expect'. Think the khorne one is a conversion at present.

More to follow
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New land raider looks much better painted / in flesh than on website.

IA11 - Solitaire gone due to story change as I said before. Also the corsairs list has been chaged quite a bit since I last saw it at the FW open day.

Corsair Psychic (Voidlistener?) - is a navigator for them but acts like a warlock in game I think. Can cast one or two powers (if with stones) - one of which does D6 strength 10 attacks minus the targets toughness with an AP2. (i.e against T4 is S6 etc). 12 to 18 inch range I think.

Probable model for this but not female IIRC.

From the DE side they have kept kabalite warriors and venoms in the list but seem to have removed raiders etc.

3 New Apoc templates in back, one for hornets, one for wraithlords + wraithseer.

I'll try and get photos up and remember a bit more
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Tzeentch confirmed - they didnt say that it was 1K sons buts it was inferred. They also said they'd hope to get to undivided chapters (alpha, black, word bearers etc) at some point.

Rapier is very nice. Omega looked unfinished at back.
Wulfen redmaw was only half done as far as I know but didnt see it myself
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Contemptor fist has the graviton gun inside.

FW are planning to possibly re-release some of the terrain which has been removed from the website but it needs redoing for 'hollow resin' to work, like the first emplacement.

Jokaero! wrote:Let's start off with Forge World.

DAREN PARRWOOD. I went to speak to the two guys involved in the Tantalus and Reaper and see what they had to say. First of all I spoke to Daren Parrwood who had the concept models for the Tantalus and his little sketch book, all of which is floating around the webway so I won't repeat what I have to say on that. I spoke to him about what he plans to do with a big thunderhawk sized barge. He originally planned on creating a few vehicles Tantalus sized but thought some of the other ideas were strong enough to make into a bigger vehicle and has plans for that.

STUART WILLIAMSON. Stuart also confirmed that he would like to work on a bigger ship soon and I asked him about any plans for vehicle upgrades such as enhanced aethersails and such and that they had no plans to do so at all. I raised the possibility of them doing an upgrade kit for Trueborn and again, no plans. He did however debunk the theory that FW aren't allowed to step on GW's toes and said they could fill gaps in the codex at a later date.

TONY COTERILL. I went to the afternoon seminar. IA 12 will be guard and chaos so DE will NOT feature. I also asked a question about whether he could add any more to what the other guys had to say about a larger ship and said nothing was planned and that no further Dark Eldar were planned as of yet. One of the reasons holding them back is how organic and curved the models are which makes them very complicated.

TANTALUS RULES. 12 12 10, comes with a flicker, can fire 12 dissie shots, transport 16, access to some other upgrades. Heavy support or dedicated for the court. Can do D6 S7 AP2 hits to a vehicle or troops it flat outs over or 1 S7 2D6 to a vehicle. A bit over 200pts.

JES GOODWIN. I'd start by saying I spoke to Juan Diaz first but didn't have much to say. Jes however is a cracking bloke. Started off speaking about the forum and that he checks up now and then and thinks we're getting a lot stronger. No confirmation on the Voidraven. Special characters will be divided up between himself and Juan but no concepts are done at all. He'd like to see them come out one a month in the future.

*EDIT Jes said he was pressured to do a court box set but decided against that as he wanted to do them individually. He also said he was asked to do a new archon model but really didn't/doesn't want to do another one. He also made a small quip about how you can make two Medusae out of one blister and assumes the suits don't like that fact.

Anyway, hope this sates all the Dark Eldar players out there.

And I got a Tantalus. NERRRR NERRRR.

TL;DR = DE superheavy planned but not for 2011/12. No more FW DE planned either any time soon, complications of the kit cited. FW won't rule out anything mentioned though. Jes will be doing the special characters with Juan but not even in concept form, on to do list.
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The 3 new DE raiders (1 with 2 Pulsars, 1 with 6 Lances and one very similar to the Tantalus) were used to get the correct idea of size for the Tantalus. They won't be made at present due to time constraints and not needing them. Come IA13 (if it is DE) theres a strong chance they could return

From what Daren Parrwood said to me, they were three different concepts for the Tantalus and looking at them you can see one won through. However he said that whilst doing them he'd like to use their combined aesthetics for a super heavy. Obviously you can't rule out them returning.

t-tauri wrote:Forgeworld seminar. As always Tony Cottrell makes the event worth the money.

Imperial Armour Apocalypse 2 was available today according to Tony. If you could get to the front of the queue.

Some of my pictures are a little blurry, so we'll see what we can remember.

Next book releases IA11 (end of year/Christmas) Masterclass v 2. Imperial Armour 12.

Models mostly eldar (Mymeara and Alaitoc), Corsairs and cold weather Cadians/Elysians. Small amount of Space Wolves. Bran Redmaw miniature.
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The "old school" section. It seems as if Forgeworld are keen on doing "early" (not necessarily pre-heresy) kit. Tony had a show of hands in the seminar on early terminators and seemed keen on the idea. The idea of robots was pitched to several FW staffers who all seemed to like the prospect of revisiting them as an Adeptus Mechanicus book. More Contemptor variants including a power claw hand with integral graviton gun. Chapter specific and chaos ones are both highly likely but it might take a long time before your particular chapter gets one (compare with the release schedule of ordinary Dreads over several years).

Tony was asked re Thunderwolves and his answer (to me at least) implied that FW weren't doing them but "someone" was. I'd guess a GW one is on the way.

redbristles wrote:I was at the first FW seminar, which was really well done I think, Tony Cotteril showing off some pics of their recent and upcoming releases, and a few sneaks at whats next, followed by a Q&A session...

confirmed (from my limited memory):
After IA11 its Modelling Masterclass 2
IA12 is a penal planet job like previously mentioned in the thread
New contemptor weapons, some sort of power claw
Book of monsters for FW coming soon, kind of like storm of magic but just filled with Warhammer Forge monsters, looks lovely
"many more monsters to come"
and a mention of more "classic" (they're very reluctant to say pre-heresy) space marine vehicles

kitch102 wrote:Ok, what a day, I am more than knackered! Hope you all appreciate me writing this up instead of going to bed!

So I garnered very little in the way of concrete information throughout the day, staff were being a lot more tight lipped than expected regarding forth coming releases - all I got was the whole "we're working on a lot of things, keep an eye on WD" yadda yadda yadda. Interestingly, in the sermon thing that I attended, their head of studio said the secretive marketing strategy was just an experiment and if enough people didn't like it, they'd drop it. Needless to say that I put a written feedback slip over to the WNT guys, saying pretty much what everyone on Dakka has said - hobbyists budget for their purchases and if you let them know in advance of what they can get, you'll see happier customers and an increase in sales on launch day. Here's hoping that they'll listen, though obviously if you feel the same way, we'll all benefit from you writing in to tell them to stop being so bloody stupid.

I have an audio recording of the whole seminar, I'll get it up tomorrow night once my phone's recharged.

Here's what information I could garner, where it's a fact, I'll say so, otherwise take it with a pinch of salt.

- Necrons are not far off, though no specific launch date stated, no information on models etc. Some of what was said in the seminar hinted at a launch style similar to that of the DE (wave 1, wave 1.5 mini release, wave 2, followed by fillers etc). One interesting point was as soon as you could finish saying "Nec..." the staff shut up like a threatened murder witness. Could this mean that something is nearing fruition? Pure speculation on my part, but there was a MASSIVE lack of necron items aside from those brought by the staffs gaming tables, that would say to me that they're getting ready for an announcement. I quizzed one of the 'eavy metal guys on why the 'cron 'dex was no longer on the site and was given the "we're working on many..." lines (again), I think you 'cron players will be happy very soon but have no facts to back this up, just my gut feeling.

- The SoB WD codex was released purely as a stop gap to bring them in line with the grey knights release, they haven't neglected you SoB players and wanted to give you something as quickly as they could that was playable and relevant to the current game.

- Dreadfleet confirmed to have no expansions, ever. Big surprise there. It was getting a hell of a lot of love on the 10 trial tables they had set out though, I heard a few saying they were off to preorder as soon as they finished gaming.

- The DE Tantalus transports 16 miniatures. It comes with flickerfield, aethersails & 1 or 2 other things as standard. The scythes cause an instant hit on vehicles at (iirc) 1d6 AP. Models with a toughness value take 2d6 s6 hits. The pulse disintegrators are S5 AP2 H6 with a 36" range. FACT

- The DE were planned to be a big part of imperial 12 but, due to the scale of what they have / had planned for them, have been put ON HOLD. They MAY appear in IA13, and would have potential to span 2 books, in the same vain that the Badab War series did. However, the writer has stated that they ARE DEFINITELY ON HOLD, they may come back to them in the future though have been shelved for now. Would not be drawn on what they're being replaced by. FACT

- IA Apocalypse v2 contains information on the Tantalus, chapter specific contemptors and chaos contemptors. Lots of nice information there, with some stuff for Tau though I didn't recognise any of this stuff being new (note: I don't know the Tau range well enough, so take from that what you will) FACT

- The Chaos Dwarfs are not planned to get a GW / studio style codex, though they have a full army list, including characters, back story, magic items in the tamurkand book. The story is basically a dwarf lord promises to turn to chaos if they help him take over the empire, but instead of going the usual route through kislev () he works his way south west and attempts to head north in the empire through their southern borders. Bad things happen to bad stunties along the way.FACT

- The'res a brilliant looking MMO PVP game called Wrath of Heroes coming out, it's PC only but apparently doesn't need a high spec gaming pc to run. The bloke I was speaking to said he uses his on a standard word processing machine and it works fine. Pictures / video to follow, though you'll probably get more information from www.wrathofheroes.com. I'll hopefully have beta access soon so will feedback on this as I can. The game is aimed at the Dark Age of Camelot audience, and doesn't really compare to WoW[color=red]FACT[color]

- Andrew Kenrick, our wonderful WD editor himself, and one of his colleagues (Phil I think? Not sure, will find his picture and confirm) hinted at a possible Tyranid release. This will not be the fabled 2 wave, but will fill a gap in the codex. However he also said "but then it may not be a gap filler, but an altogether different model with it's rule set to be released in white dwarf". Nid players... don't read too much in to this, there aren't enough facts to get excited about, but equally I don't think someone in the know such as Mr AK would say sometihng's coming when it's not. Again, no dates were hinted at.

Answers to the questions I could get:

Plans to release plastic titans - certainly one day, they'd love to do that and to make them a bit more mainstream, but for the moment no plans. (Side note, GW seems to plan it's next releases by the number of staff saying "wouldn't it be cool if...", so if enough start saying this, then it could happen sooner. Don't hold your breath though.

Revitalising any of the specialist games - No, not at all, ever. The reason being that their staff have enough to remember with the 3 biggies, and they politely take the stance that if the customers are willing to champion the SG's in their area to drum up interest and get games going, then brilliant, but GW will not be offering any support aside from providing the models and rules.

Squ.... NO SQUATS. DO NOT ASK ABOUT SQUATS. This was actually said before questions were allowed, which inspired more laughter than I expected! They were talking about how they went back to the picture of the donorian clawed fiend in the 1998 rulebook 13 years later (present day) and decided to make a model; my plan was to lead that on to the squats as they're in the same picture, but alas, I baeten to it by a bloody powerpoint slide.

Extra equipment included with characters - restricted due to the cost to manufacture these, when they'd really be as and when required. The way they see it is that they already have a million bits out there that we as hobbyists can use, leaving them free to work on 'whats next'. Fair play to that I'd say.

I mentioned the rumour of SoB and Necrons being included in the 6ed box set and was told "that's the first time I've heard that rumour" (by the 'eavy metal guy in the seminar). I'd kind of take it that that's a no, otherwise I'd have been given that "we're always working on..." line again.

Moving away from the Q&A side, I hope you're ready to battered by pictures of the miniatures painted by a guy called Angelo Dicampo (or something like that), he won 4 golden daemons, a bronze AND the slayer sword. What a legend! Pretty sure I saw GW's intellectual property manager offering him a job, like that's a bloody surprise lol.

I also managed to get my boarding captain & relic contemptor (with HB & PF), COPUY OF PROMETHEUM SUN (!!!!) number 2379, signed by the man himself (twice, I didn't realise he'd already signed it lol) & a copy of the anthology, which I got signed by Nick Kyme & Gav Thorpe. Both damned nice guys too.

Also learnt that some of the authors have lists of people that have written in to them asking to be included in their books, apparently Dan Abnetts a big one for this, so if you fancy being a guardsman that gets killed 2 paragraphs after being introduced to a story get writing! I reckon I might! Guardsman Si Kitchener doesn't have much of a ring to it though lol.

philbrad2 wrote:Well I've returned to chez Phil as there was nothing left to see. After the WS meet did one circuit of the design studio tables - to see if anything had 'emerged from stasis' and FW studio tables to see if the Wulfen of Bran Redmaw had emerged - it hadn't. Couple of things the Khorne Contemptor was on show and a side-by-side multi-melta for the Contemptor as well.

On the whole armies on parade and GD were nicely laid out with much more space than previous years though to my eye entries were down on previous years. Gaming hall was frenzied noisy hot as you'd expect. Retail ... sorry this was a joke, to put GW, FW & BL retail in the smallest hall with limited in out access is simply insane! After about an hour of doors opening the PA system announced apologies for the retail layout and delays would be quite long, in fact queue for the retail hall was stretching back to the far side of the gaming hall at one point. GW really seriously need to address this. FW reservation pick up at the front of the venue excellent idea and seemed to work well. The rest... well we headed for retail first thing and were probably 30 people deep at the FW stand at 9.30AM spent a further 10 minutes trying to locate the single lane for people leaving the hall who weren't buying anything (or couldn't get near). The whole thing really was a complete farce and I saw a lot of angry people. Quite how GW address this I don't know, but this year the mayhem of the 2010 FW stand was bought to all. As ever BL's lane system worked well but they were tight for space.

This will be my last UK Gamesday. It's simply not worth the entrance fee for a model I don't want and nothing new to show me. Sure its not all those things to everyone there were some great models on show and the gaming halls were doing their bit but it left me and several others I spoke to disappointed.

There was a distinct lack of numbers to previous years and the event felt quite small. But hey I'm old and cranky

Sorting some photos out to post anyone with any link to the FW seminar notes/videos etc.. I for one would be happy yo see them. Think I'll go watch the F1 ...

Adieu

PhilB

philbrad2 wrote:So GW's total output for the remaining quarter of this year is Dreadfleet and nothing else? Not everyone a) plays WHFB or its sub games or b) is interested in the forthcoming 'Pirates of Nottinghamshire' game - sure there were people who gave a massive 'meh' to Space Hulk. To have nothing new for 40K to show at the biggest of all games days with the vast majority of the Design Studio present? There was nothing, literally, for 40Kers to look forward to from GW. Sure Forgeworld had some tasty pieces of kit, the WraithSeer/Lord/Guard Apoc formation in the rear of the new IA11 book is a fave of mine. So once again thanks FW for saving the day in some ways.

My theory is a big GW website/WD 'ta-dah! Here's the Necrons' at the end of October and not wanting us nasty internet people to steal their thunder. I think this strategy is wrong, sure don't reveal everything but at least give the public some tidbits to speculate on it gets interest in the product sparked. But to have nothing and not even give any hints

Yes GW are pimping Dreadfleet, and yes they were/are the Orge Kingdoms but also Storm of Magic still. I really can't get over the fact there was zero for GW design team on 40K. In my 17 previous UKGD's this is a first.

PhilB

Jokaero! wrote:RE: Space Wolves. Just before I had a chat with Jes another guy asked him whether he was working on them. Jes replied "I'm afraid I can't tell you that" with a big smile. Make of that what you will.

Can't remember if anyone discussed FW and the possibility of Adeptus Mechanicus. Tony would really like to do them but wouldn't want to do them half heartedly, like some skitarii and a robot or two, he'd want a whole range done with huge robot kits but doesn't know when they would fit in their schedule.

The questions about whether they would do Primarchs and Custodes got some very mysterious answers too.

Medium of Death wrote:So Necrons are looking very unlikely then?

*sulks*

lunarman wrote:Everyone thought the necrons would be released at Games Day.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Some Necronews on BoW



Not sure it is the sort of news you hoped for MoD

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Some Necronews on BoW



Not sure it is the sort of news you hoped for MoD

NAVARRO wrote:Please tell me thats not a GW miniature... because it looks like a cheap toysrus thing I would buy for my kid... Butt ugly.

SilverMK2 wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Please tell me thats not a GW miniature... because it looks like a cheap toysrus thing I would buy for my kid... Butt ugly.

I think it i BOW trying to be funny again. Note the use of the word "trying"...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Some Necronews on BoW



Not sure it is the sort of news you hoped for MoD

Sheep wrote:They might have discovered the elusive "scale"

1hadhq wrote:A necroshpinx/dreadknight?

Kroothawk wrote:New Cadians