Hi there,
With the Open Day now only a few days away, we’re able to announce several exciting last-minute items that will be on sale in limited numbers on Sunday, each in advance of their scheduled release. We’ve also got a reminder that there’s still time to place your AdeptiCon reservation orders, so without further ado…
Imperial Armour Model Masterclass Volume 2
Imperial Armour Model Masterclass Volume TwoAvailable to purchase for the first time in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day, Imperial Armour Model Masterclass Volume 2 costs £26.
Whether you’re building and painting a centrepiece model for your army or a detailed diorama for display, Imperial Armour Model Masterclass Volume 2 is packed with innovative techniques to help you create stunning models.
Among others, you’ll find construction and painting articles on models such as the Imperial and Chaos Reaver Titans, the Great Brass Scorpion and the Crassus Armoured Assault Transport as well as in-depth construction guides focussed on our display tables such as ‘Encounter at the Balmaeus Ice Mines’, built alongside Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara (which you’ll be able to see in all its splendour at the Open Day).
The book also contains detailed galleries of some of our iconic models, including the Vulture Gunship and Keith Robertson’s fantastic Saim-Hann Phantom Titan bust.
This 144-page, full colour hardback book contains a plethora of informative articles, stage-by-stage guides, lavish galleries and inspirational models from the talented painters and modellers of our design studio, making this book a feast for the eye and the imagination as well as a practical resource as well.
It is the second Forge World book dedicated to the methods, materials and techniques required to achieve the highest possible results in terms of quality and realism when building and painting Warhammer 40,000 models.
Deimos Pattern Predator Executioner
Deimos Pattern Predator ExecutionerThe Predator is a highly effective medium tank designed to provide Space Marine detachments with heavy fire support in the heat of battle. An ancient and revered design, cited by the Codex Astartes as a spiritual mentor, no less, there are almost as many patterns of Predator as there are of the ubiquitous Rhino hull it is based upon. One such variant is the Deimos Pattern, manufactured in the vast forges that occupy the moons of Mars.
The obscure Deimos Pattern Predator Executioner is significantly rarer than the Annihilator and Destructor, for the Adeptus Mechanicus hoard their secrets jealously in the dark days of the 41st Millennium. Some even go so far as to whisper that it is a sinful pattern born of the tech-heresy of innovation, although it is known to date from the shadowed days of the Scouring.
The potent firepower of a Plasma Executioner is the default armament of this war machine, bolstered by the usual Heavy Bolter or Lascannon sponsons. The main gun can be replaced with a Heavy Conversion Beamer, although the additional power drain of this arcane and ancient device precludes the addition of Lascannon sponsons. Such devices
Designed by Will Hayes, the Deimos Pattern Predator Executioner is a multi-part resin and plastic kit containing two turret weapon options and two sponson weapon options. It will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April in advance of its scheduled release date, and will cost £46
Chaos Decimator Weapons
Inquisitorial savants do not know for sure what unknown and malefic party are responsible for the sinful innovation of the Decimator Daemon Engine, which is capable of fielding a wide range of armament; arcane conversion-beam generators, great multi-barreled Stormlasers, the reality-altering heresy of warp-tainted Soulburners and great raking Siege Claws to name but a few.
Towering over even the mighty, and exceedingly rare, Contemptor Pattern Dreadnoughts of the Adeptus Astartes, the Decimator is believed to be an attempt to bolster the ranks of such ancient devices that still serve the Traitor Legions on the part of the shadowed, now near-mythical, Legio Cybernetica. If this is the truth, then the warriors of the Imperium may well yet tremble before the might of this colossus.
Two more detailed resin weapon options for this fearsome Daemon Engine will be on sale at the Forge World Open Day in limited numbers, well in advance of their scheduled release. The Decimator Soulburner and Decimator Heavy Conversion Beamer, designed by Daren Parrwood, are finely detailed resin weapons for the recently-released Decimator Daemon Engine, experimental rules for which can be downloaded from the Forge World website now.
Forge World Events News:
AdeptiCon 2012, 19th to 22nd April, Westin Lombard Yorktown Center, Chicago
Forge World will again be attending AdeptiCon this year, and there’s still time to place your reservation orders for this popular event. While we will be bringing a huge selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling products, placing a reservation order is the best way to ensure that we have exactly what you want packed up and waiting for you at the show.
You can either telephone us on 011 44 115 900 4995, or send an e-mail entitled ‘AdeptiCon 2012 Reservation’ to forgeworldreservations@games-workshop.co.uk. We will need your name, a list of the items that you wish to order, and a contact e-mail address for yourself by Monday 2nd April. In the week prior to the event, we will send you a confirmation e-mail containing your order number, details of any items that are unavailable, and a total cost in US$ (less local sales tax) that will be payable at the event.
Salute 2012, 21st April, ExCel, London
While some of our intrepid staff are across the pond in the Windy City, others of Forge World will be journeying to London’s ExCel centre for Salute 2012. We’ll be bringing a wide selection of our range of books, resin kits and modelling supplies, but due to the limited space that we have available at this event we recommend you places a reservation order to ensure we have exactly what you want, packed and waiting for you.
As with all our UK shows, Salute reservation orders are pre-paid to make the collection process quicker and easier, leaving you with more time to enjoy the rest of the event.
Please telephone the Customer Service team on 0115 900 4995 to place a reservation order. We will require your name, contact telephone number and e-mail address along with the list of products you wish to reserve, and you will need your card details to hand. We’ll need to receive your Salute reservation by Tuesday 17th April, and we’ll process the payment while you are on the phone. In the week before the event you’ll receive a confirmation e-mail containing your order number. This is your proof of payment, and you must bring this e-mail with you to claim your order.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
Redemption wrote:Anyone recognise the terrain in the cover of the Masterclass? Hint towards a new FW Realm of Battle tile perhaps?
Might be; might just be something they made for the book.
Masterclass v.1 had the cover being the terrain that they showed you how to make within, and it used various bits and bobbles.
But off the top of my head, the new one uses:
A custom made tarmac, the crates set, the old trench wall sets, the Imperial Guard scanner bits, the gantry crane is made from Sentinel legs, the Air Traffic Controller station at the upper right is the Concrete Bunker with some stuff added on in the form of structural supports and sand bags on the roof, the scanner dish is from the Anphelion Project complex, the fuel bowser is from either the discontinued terrain bit which had it dug into a sandbag bunker or the discontinued bit which had it available as a trailer. The piece directly above it was something from the Taros book, a moisture condenser.
Well not necessarily. Their terrain has pretty much vanished as the molds died, and the ROB tile has apparently done fairly well so seeing new ones is a fair shake.
Are the masterclass books that awesome? What kind of tips are inside?
Also, I'm all about the plasma predator. I don't really like the old school style tanks but a plasma turret is way cooler than an autocannon turret imo.
I can't see the review at the moment, but yes I would say they are that awesome. Volume 1 was anyway.
It's a really good insight in to how FW goes about things, filled with tips and with guides for some of the trademark FW projects you have seen if you have read the IA books. Best £27 I spent at FW I'd say.
Heavy conversion beamer for the decimator eh, wonder if the rules are the same as the conversion beamer on the contemptor, one would certainly assume so.
Still I'll have to hold off till I've got the first one here and finished before I start thinking about a second
It's not really useful because it's likely a preview we were MEANT to see with Open Day or the newsletter afterwards, as it has no actual page on the website like the rest of the releases. The photos are there; but no info.
Why?
Because Forge World--from the way they've explained it to me before--put stuff up on the site weeks in advance, but it remains "hidden" until it reaches a certain date/time and coincides with the newsletter/announcement.
This newsletter went out way early as they said on their Facebook page it's supposed to go out tomorrow...and as it stands, they have nobody at their offices right now.
All the Stormeagle represents is someone finding something they weren't supposed to.
It's 80 GBP--so it most likely is a resin/plastic kit combo.
A Stormraven by itself is 41 GBP; so we can kinda/sorta guesstimate what the resin add-on bits are from that. A top wing extender, an extension to the rear compartment, etc.
I have two unassembled Storm Ravens I'm not doing anything with. I'll get two Eagles if they will be available as conversion kits, but I don't want any more Raven sprues.
DUDE! Me want Storm Eagle! I think I might skip the missile launchers, but can someone please email the sculptor for the Storm Raven? Tell him to take notes for next time.
ph34r wrote:I agree with the "looks like tau" remarks. I also think the missile launchers on top is silly.
Having a missile launcher on TOP of a flying vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense tactically. Generally, you want to have as little of yourself (or your vehicle) between your weapon and your enemy as possible.
Looking at it a bit more closely, does it look to anyone else like it has some kind of large transport bay at the back? There appears to be *something* in what is presume are holes under the missile launchers that looks like interior detail.
Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
ph34r wrote:Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
/shrug, I guess.
It has a straight top and angled down wings. Like the assault ram and the Valk, etc so on.
ph34r wrote:I agree with the "looks like tau" remarks. I also think the missile launchers on top is silly.
Having a missile launcher on TOP of a flying vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense tactically. Generally, you want to have as little of yourself (or your vehicle) between your weapon and your enemy as possible.
Maybe this is an air-superiority Storm Raven. If the enemy is in the air too, it doesn't matter much where your missiles come from.
Also, titans don't make a lot of tactical sense either, but man are they cool.
Hmm, not sure what to make of the flyer. Sure it looks nice but it is just a bit too tau for my liking. For another 10 pounds I could pick up the assault ram which I prefer in design.
Tank variants are nice! I was hoping for a turret mounted conversion beamer, looks like I am in luck!
Another modeling masterclass? Well, the last one was amazing. While some of the projects were a little hard to do, this was mostly due to the amount of materials that were needed to get everything done! Probably will pick this up!
Anpu-adom wrote:
Having a missile launcher on TOP of a flying vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense tactically. Generally, you want to have as little of yourself (or your vehicle) between your weapon and your enemy as possible.
True, but that's got a lot of justification as an Imperial design style cue. Look at the Thunderhawk with a gigantic tank-gun thingy on the back of it. A-10 pilots probably think that thing's got too big of a gun!
thesoupdragon wrote:I hope the Stormeagle is for real - I really like it and would definitely order one.
Considering Forge World's Open Day has traditionally been around April 1st(last year was April 3rd, year before was March 28th) and they've yet to do an April Fool's Joke...
Nice looking model. Perhaps what the Storm Raven should have been, minus sprue considerations?
I think I would probably take the missile pods off the back or meltas from the front (which again give it a little bit of an 'action man' look) but otherwise think it's a pretty nice model.
ph34r wrote:I agree with the "looks like tau" remarks. I also think the missile launchers on top is silly.
Having a missile launcher on TOP of a flying vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense tactically. Generally, you want to have as little of yourself (or your vehicle) between your weapon and your enemy as possible.
Maybe this is an air-superiority Storm Raven. If the enemy is in the air too, it doesn't matter much where your missiles come from.
Also, titans don't make a lot of tactical sense either, but man are they cool.
Some British fighter craft have had over wing hard points.
thesoupdragon wrote:I hope the Stormeagle is for real - I really like it and would definitely order one.
Considering Forge World's Open Day has traditionally been around April 1st(last year was April 3rd, year before was March 28th) and they've yet to do an April Fool's Joke...
While its not perfect, the Storm Eagle design definitely addresses almost all of the issues I have with the Storm Raven design. If only FW had come out with that first and GW then copied it instead ala the Valkyrie...
What about weight distribution though? It's got some extra weight at the back of the model now, but the flying stand presumably slots into the same spot on the model. Can anyone with more resin model experience than I comment as to whether that could cause imbalance/stress issues?
Pacific wrote:Nice looking model. Perhaps what the Storm Raven should have been, minus sprue considerations?
I think I would probably take the missile pods off the back or meltas from the front (which again give it a little bit of an 'action man' look) but otherwise think it's a pretty nice model.
It looks a lot like a plastic and resin kit, so you ought to be able to easily switch the multimeltas with the heavy bolters or maybe even the cyclone missiles.
automatonsleuth wrote:What about weight distribution though? It's got some extra weight at the back of the model now, but the flying stand presumably slots into the same spot on the model. Can anyone with more resin model experience than I comment as to whether that could cause imbalance/stress issues?
Probably like the chapterhouse kit, there will be a plug to cover the existing slot, and a new slot further back in the resin body.
From what I can tell, it keeps the top and bottom fuselage, the nose ramp, cockpit, engines and wings from the Stormraven, with resin sides, rear extension, bottom engine mounts, and top fin structure.
Arm.chair.general wrote:This is obviously them getting ready for an April fools joke, I mean it's obviously a Storm-Raven conversion
You know what they say: Keep your words short and sweet, as you may just have to eat them. I look forward to you being so wrong it's just not funny.
Well if it is the official model then I am very disappointed, it looks like another Space Marine box with wings...
Spoiler:
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Stormraven front and wings, landing gear from the Thunderhawk... those small frontal wings are also from the T-hawk and the missile launchers look like those from Land speeders turned upside down.
All Imperial Designs are boxes with X. This at least looks like a decent flier. It's not a bad design at all if you just relocate the missile launchers.
warboss wrote:While its not perfect, the Storm Eagle design definitely addresses almost all of the issues I have with the Storm Raven design. If only FW had come out with that first and GW then copied it instead ala the Valkyrie...
I really dislike the Chibi-Hawk, but love the CHS conversion kit and how it improves it. But this Storm Hawk is out of this world. I didn't want a third flyer... but yeah, that thing looks amazing.
And more Decimator weapons! Awesome!
FW needs to keep releasing news letters every few days.
ph34r wrote:Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
I could have just been easiest for them to make the kit that way, but then again who knows.
Here is the real interesting part; I wonder if this was inpsired by the CH kit?
(which looks awesome in person, btw)
ph34r wrote:Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
I could have just been easiest for them to make the kit that way, but then again who knows.
Here is the real interesting part; I wonder if this was inpsired by the CH kit?
(which looks awesome in person, btw)
I doubt it. The CH kit is a mediocre extension to the existing kit, while this is a near total redesign of the rear and to a lesser degree, sides of the kit.
I already love the Decimator, the new tank is great as it looks like the really old version...but that flyer...I like it although I feel like I shouldnt.
I hope the Stormeagle isn't the flier that was hinted at before. Because I am not dropping that kind of cash just so my marines get a Stormraven equivalent.
ph34r wrote:Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
I could have just been easiest for them to make the kit that way, but then again who knows.
Here is the real interesting part; I wonder if this was inpsired by the CH kit?
(which looks awesome in person, btw)
I doubt it. The CH kit is a mediocre extension to the existing kit, while this is a near total redesign of the rear and to a lesser degree, sides of the kit.
It really isn't a fair comparison. The CH kit is good for what it does - make the GW kit look less obnoxious/chibi-like. I wouldn't call in mediocre, either. It's actually better than most of the stuff that CH puts out.
Looks like gak, true. I don't understand all those angles. Looks like the Space Marines are taking design cues from Necron & Tau. Marines are boxy, keep them that way. I hope that it's just a prank by Forge World. I guess if it's an add-on kit, meh whatever. Totally down for that painting volume 2. Sometimes I'm not sure if I have more invested in my FW books or in the models.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Every time I see Storm Eagle, for some reason my brain reads it as Smeagle!
I agree about the Chaper House kit, that thing is win. Makes the ugly thing actually look okay.
Just Dave wrote:I'm not sure if I really like it or am 'meh' about it.
I also can't shake the image of the Tau Manta/Tigershark every time I look at it.
I also hate Forgeworld for nicking the idea I was gonna include in my Space Marine Fandex.
Well, I was using the CHS Storm Raven conversion kit, and it still has the wing-mounted missiles, and I had already made TL Lascannon sponsons for it...all I have to do is replace the nose-mounted reaper with a TL multi-melta and I've got a Stormeagle already!
Kanluwen wrote:HAH!
I knew I remembered the Storm Eagle from somewhere!
HAH! Mine was designed with being a Dropship in mind as wlel; i think Forgeworld may have either broken into my room, or had a peek at my Chaos thread (I know I started posting it on Papanurgle...)
kenshin620 wrote:Hmm it looks alright I guess. But at that price, ehh nothing like a little cardstock cant do too badly
Happygrunt wrote:
I like this. I am just hoping BA can take it. (Which doesn't seem likely...)
Doesnt seem likely? Odd that a vehicle mod for the Stormraven would not be available to one (Of Two) army that can take Sravens currently
They're the only two Marinecolors that can take it because they're the Marinecolors that have come out since the Stormraven was conceived. Nobody cares about older colors of Marines.
jabbakahut wrote:I would assume it would be for any Marine army, it would send people to GW for the base kit and FW for the mini T-hawk.
It was likely be sold as a complete kit, rather than something you buy to go with a Storm Raven kit you already have.
The more I look, the more I think this is a complete resin kit. There's just too much that's different between the two for it to work any other way.
Have you seen the Vulture kit in its components?
It's an entire Valkyrie(I'm not kidding. It's the entire Valkyrie kit) with a few key differences:
The cockpit/engine assembly is a series of big resin pieces, and then there's a few small resin bits here and there(namely for the tail booms) to finish it out.
That apparently warrants a 16 GBP difference.
When you look at the Vulture kit v. this, they definitely do seem similar in how they are set up.
What???
The Storm Chicken looks better than that. You need your eyes checked something serious dude. really.
Storm chicken is the worst model GW has made since the Dreadfull knight. This is a serious leg up from the storm chicken. I will take two please.
Breotan wrote:The more I look, the more I think this is a complete resin kit. There's just too much that's different between the two for it to work any other way.
Seeing the pics together in Kid Kyoto's post, I have to agree. The only piece where I can't spot any differences is the cockpit area.
Storm Eagle looks fairly lame. Backside has an almost Tau-like appearance.
Glad GW does the infinitly superiour Storm Raven instead. Should put the Eagle right back into whatever fan-boy cellar they took it. Looks like they just kitbashed random molds they had flying around instead of actually bothering with "design" in any resemblance of the word.
Zweischneid wrote:Storm Eagle looks fairly lame. Backside has an almost Tau-like appearance.
Glad GW does the infinitly superiour Storm Raven instead. Should put the Eagle right back into whatever fan-boy cellar they took it. Looks like they just kitbashed random molds they had flying around instead of actually bothering with "design" in any resemblance of the word.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
if by superior you mean inferior then yes
If by inferior you are referring to all the half-assed fugly crap FW keeps churning out recently, like the Kettle-on-legs Dreads and Termies or that Tau-Stretch-Limo with wings now, while GW-main keeps going from strength to strength with each new release (cheap WoW knock-off Mandrakes aside perhaps), revolutionizing their Marine model range in particular in the most breathtaking ways, than you might have a point.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
if by superior you mean inferior then yes
If by inferior you are referring to all the half-assed fugly crap FW keeps churning out recently, like the Kettle-on-legs Dreads and Termies or that Tau-Stretch-Limo with wings now, while GW-main keeps going from strength to strength with each new release (cheap WoW knock-off Mandrakes aside perhaps), revolutionizing their Marine model range in particular in the most breathtaking ways, than you might have a point.
BA and GK storm POS is utter garbage, least FW put out something WAY superior to that. you should be thanking them. as for the contemptor, it's clearly a preheresy dreadnought as per ALL the artwork
A storm eagle release from FW at this time is a bit fishy with the rumours of a new SM flyer coming from GW, it doesnt make sense that FW would cut GW's grass like that.
I call april fools joke
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
BA and GK storm POS is utter garbage, least FW put out something WAY superior to that. you should be thanking them. as for the contemptor, it's clearly a preheresy dreadnought as per ALL the artwork
spiraleddie wrote:A storm eagle release from FW at this time is a bit fishy with the rumours of a new SM flyer coming from GW, it doesnt make sense that FW would cut GW's grass like that.
I call april fools joke
Ignoring the fact it is not sunday yet, why would FW hastily remove the page from their site in a typical GW "you didn't see anything here. EVER!" style? I say this was supposed to be revealed at the open day and FW now have their knickers in a twist as the page went live accidentally/"accidentally".
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
BA and GK storm POS is utter garbage, least FW put out something WAY superior to that. you should be thanking them. as for the contemptor, it's clearly a preheresy dreadnought as per ALL the artwork
*Not sure if aware he's the only one that prefers/likes the Stormraven
Or just naive.*
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Personally I'm not criticising the 'Eagle for having the Tau aspect, I think it works, just observing.
spiraleddie wrote:A storm eagle release from FW at this time is a bit fishy with the rumours of a new SM flyer coming from GW, it doesnt make sense that FW would cut GW's grass like that.
I call april fools joke
Your reasoning is ass-backwards. Have you considered that the rumours of a GWSM flyer might have been referring to the FW vehicle that we have proof of, and not the other way around?
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
BA and GK storm POS is utter garbage, least FW put out something WAY superior to that. you should be thanking them. as for the contemptor, it's clearly a preheresy dreadnought as per ALL the artwork
i'm always serious, even blind fools would have realized this
Breotan wrote:The Vulture used to be an all resin kit.
So did the Valk, but that's not really the point.
Breotan wrote:I didn't realize they changed it. Then again, I don't play Guard.
This Storm Eagle is a conversion kit. It's a substantial conversion kit to the point where it's more resin than man, twisted and evil plastic, but it's a conversion kit nonetheless. From the looks of things we've got a plastic cockpit area, and front, we've got plastic doors (or would have if not for the Sally chapter doors), plastic thrusters on the front, big long resin sides that cover the original bodywork completely, the same wings as the Chibi-Hawk, but with resin attachments at the corner, new fin at the back, resin missiles, and resin Lascannon barrels sticking out of what would normally hold the Chibi's Nemesis Blood Doomstrike missiles.
Hello,
I do like the new Stormeagle, however I believe I would want to make the missile launchers "pop-up" from the main body somehow. As for the new “dread” for Chaos I am reminded of a Warlord epic model the more I look at it, adding a few cannons to the shoulder carapace would make it a fair looking Chaos Warlord in my opinion.
Regards,
Carl
Ghiest1 wrote:I do like the new Stormeagle, however I believe I would want to make the missile launchers "pop-up" from the main body somehow.
They might? It's got those weird voids in front of them - do they sit inside there when not being used?
Ghiest1 wrote:As for the new “dread” for Chaos I am reminded of a Warlord epic model the more I look at it, adding a few cannons to the shoulder carapace would make it a fair looking Chaos Warlord in my opinion.
And the plastic main engines. And judging from the two inserts on the roof where the top turret and air intake on the Stormraven normally are, the front roof is also plastic.
The black indentations in front of the missile launchers are probably needed because of the tabs attached to the wings.
Ghiest1 wrote:As for the new “dread” for Chaos I am reminded of a Warlord epic model the more I look at it, adding a few cannons to the shoulder carapace would make it a fair looking Chaos Warlord in my opinion.
I didn't even think of that... you're right!
That'd be a pretty massive Warlord. Possibly even bigger than the Imperator.
What???
The Storm Chicken looks better than that. You need your eyes checked something serious dude. really.
Storm chicken is the worst model GW has made since the Dreadfull knight. This is a serious leg up from the storm chicken. I will take two please.
The amount of crap people can spout on this thead is too DAMN HIGH!!!
Really the SR looking better then this?..., get your eyes checked please...
I like how everyone seems to be adamantly calling anyone who dislikes the Stormeagle either blind, or somehow stupid. They don't give a single reason why they like it, only that we are "dumb and blind" for not liking it.
Sorry, I can see perfectly fine, and I;m far from stupid. While it has far better body proportions than the Stormraven, it still has idiotically stubby, chibi-style wings. It looks like a flying brick. I would rather buy the Chapterhouse conversion kit for a plastic Stormraven, any day of the week, than buy a Stormeagle.
That said, I do not think any of the SM flyers are amazing. Definitely not as good as the DE or IG ones.
That I can get behind. The Valkyrie and the Razorwing are far more proportioned aerodynamically than either of the two SM flyers- they look like actual flyers, rather than something simply shrunk down to fit on the table. Especially when you compare the Raven/eagle to the Thunderhawk.
I say screw the Space marine chibi-flyers and convince GW to produce an affordable plastic Land Speeder Tempest. It could be done with a single sprue added to the basic 'Speeder boxed set, like the Tornado, and you could then buy two of them for a little more than the $50 pricetag from FW for just one. I would fly a complete squadron of several of those before I'd buy even a single Hawk/Raven.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 'Space Marine Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
The legendary mobility of the Adeptus Astartes has won planet-spanning conflicts with a single strike; providing the precise application of deadly force at the point where it proved most decisive. A Chapter’s fleet of attack craft is the keystone that makes this possible, and it is the iconic Thunderhawks and Drop Pods that are at the forefront. Craft such as the Storm Eagle Assault Gunship follow close behind to lend their weapons to the devastating assault.
A formidable gunship, the Storm Eagle mounts fearsome firepower for a vehicle of its size and is capable of transporting twenty Space Marines directly into the thick of an assault. The exact provenance of the Storm Eagle is unknown, but it bears clear similarities to the Stormravens employed by the Blood Angels and Grey Knights. Certain sources place the principal manufacture of the Storm Eagle upon Tigrus and Anvilus IX, both primary-grade Forge Worlds that suffered catastrophic damage during the Horus Heresy.
In recent decades the number of Storm Eagles in active service has begun to increase, especially amongst those Chapters known to have favourable relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus. This has lead some observers to believe that production has been restored at an as yet unknown location.
Designed by Stuart Williamson, the Storm Eagle is a complete resin and plastic kit which is packed with some incredible design work, including a fully detailed interior. It will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, in advance of its scheduled release date, for £80.'
AegisGrimm wrote:I like how everyone seems to be adamantly calling anyone who dislikes the Stormeagle either blind, or somehow stupid. They don't give a single reason why they like it, only that we are "dumb and blind" for not liking it.
Weirdly one person you quoted was in favour of the Storm Eagle, and the other was against it. Did you intend that?
ph34r wrote:I'd take the stormeagle over the conversion, and the stormraven slightly over the conversion. The conversion is a minor downgrade in my books.
If it was made by someone other than CHS, would you be saying that?
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Kanluwen wrote:It saddens me that they're having to reveal something early simply because someone found it by accident.
ph34r wrote:I'd take the stormeagle over the conversion, and the stormraven slightly over the conversion. The conversion is a minor downgrade in my books.
If it was made by someone other than CHS, would you be saying that?
The stormraven is ugly and the CH stormraven is still ugly. Not even being sculpted by one of CH's non-awful sculptors would make it somehow good.
Kanluwen wrote:It saddens me that they're having to reveal something early simply because someone found it by accident.
Really?
Yeah. I like seeing the Open Day previews, and this was going to most likely be a big surprise there. It wasn't even in the newsletter which was supposed to come out today, so it would have been something for sale on Sunday that nobody had any inkling was coming.
It's one less piece of something "exciting" to come out of Open Day, and that's what makes me sad.
AegisGrimm wrote:
I say screw the Space marine chibi-flyers and convince GW to produce an affordable plastic Land Speeder Tempest. It could be done with a single sprue added to the basic 'Speeder boxed set, like the Tornado, and you could then buy two of them for a little more than the $50 pricetag from FW for just one. I would fly a complete squadron of several of those before I'd buy even a single Hawk/Raven.
You do realize that the Tempest is almost twice the size of the other landspeeder variants. If they made a part to resemble one for them it would truly be a chibi model.
Kanluwen wrote:It saddens me that they're having to reveal something early simply because someone found it by accident.
Really?
Yeah. I like seeing the Open Day previews, and this was going to most likely be a big surprise there. It wasn't even in the newsletter which was supposed to come out today, so it would have been something for sale on Sunday that nobody had any inkling was coming.
It's one less piece of something "exciting" to come out of Open Day, and that's what makes me sad.
But this isn't the first time Forgeworld's web guys have revealed stuff via incorrect folder permissions. I used to browse to the root of their PDF directory (much faster way of grabbing the rules) and for about a month they had a supplement for Wizards of the Coast's Star Wars RPG on there, just sitting there. It was only when I posted about it on Warseer that they finally remembered the use of .htaccess files and folder permissions
It looks like that lesson has been unlearnt, but if you put something on your publicly-accessible web server it WILL BE FOUND If they really wanted a big reveal, the trick is to upload the page only during or after the reveal, not a week or two before...
ph34r wrote:The stormraven is ugly and the CH stormraven is still ugly. Not even being sculpted by one of CH's non-awful sculptors would make it somehow good.
The CHS conversion kit was made by someone in the PM&B forum. The guys from CHS saw it and said "Hey, can we make that?" and the guy went "Sure!".
Forge World wrote: As this is a pre-release, rules will be included in the stock we have on Sunday. When it goes up for pre-order in the next few weeks, the pdf will be added to the product page
Forge World's Open Day has been around April 1st for years. They haven't done a joke before; it's safe to say that this is not what they would start with.
They also posted the newsletter today; which is y'know...not April 1st.
Forge World wrote: As this is a pre-release, rules will be included in the stock we have on Sunday. When it goes up for pre-order in the next few weeks, the pdf will be added to the product page
Cool. Hopefully one of the enterprising young dakkites with an iphone will upload a pic of the rules. I'm curious to see how it relates to both the storm raven and thunderhawk (obviously, I'm expecting something inbetween in ability and points).
You do realize that the Tempest is almost twice the size of the other landspeeder variants. If they made a part to resemble one for them it would truly be a chibi model.
Not that I ever knew of. It's a single-seat landspeeder variant, with an enclosed cockpit. I have never seen it in person, but to me it just looks like a cockpit on a normal landspeeder, with variant weapons. It's been lengthened, I guess but I couldn't see it as twice the size. Althoug heven as a slightly larger separate kit that was 25% bigger than a normal Landspeeder I would buy one before a Stormraven.
GW's jokes are always amazing. That 'Finecast' thing they did last year was hilarious. Yeah, they did it in May, but that's beside the point: Best joke ever!!!
Whilst we're all drooling/ arguing over the Storm Eagle, I feel sorry for the Predator Executioner. I think that is one awesome model, that should be getting some love.
But back to the main subject of conversation, I really like the Storm Eagle, I've always been in two minds about the Storm Raven, it's not great, but it's okay. The Storm Eagle, however, reminds me of the Thunder Hawk, which I happen to love. Yes, it does seem to resemble a Manta, but it fits well with the design of SM vehicles so far. I like the aesthetics of it, the weapon placements don't bother me at all, the missiles could be homing for all we know. And as for the whole conversion versus full kit argument? I'm going with full kit, there's just too many differences to the Raven.
So they took the major common complaints they had about the Stormraven and are releasing an accordingly modified version of it at roughly twice the cost? $66 US is bad enough for the Stormraven, the Storm Eagle looks okay, but at a price of about $130 I'll pass.
Redemption wrote:Forgeworld has now explicitly said the Storm Eagle is not an April Fools joke. Can we put this tiresome argument to rest now?
Of course FW wouldn't openly admit that this is an April Fools joke, that would spoil the joke. The big reveal must be on the 2nd it is April Fool law.
Zweischneid wrote:Storm Eagle looks fairly lame. Backside has an almost Tau-like appearance.
Glad GW does the infinitly superiour Storm Raven instead. Should put the Eagle right back into whatever fan-boy cellar they took it. Looks like they just kitbashed random molds they had flying around instead of actually bothering with "design" in any resemblance of the word.
if by superior you mean inferior then yes
Ignore what Zweischneid says about FW, he has serious issues with them, and is almost certainly going for the 'angry man of Dakka' award for 2012 (and it's just March!)
Basically the Stormeagle is what the Stormraven should have been. But, in between the design and implementation stage it went through 'cost-benefit analysis' and the sales team decided they should try and fit it on less sprues, so instead we got the fisher-price toy that is the Stormraven.
Hi there,
We’re now only two days away from the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, and today we can officially announce that the Space Marine Storm Eagle Assault Gunship will be on sale there in limited numbers!
Space Marine Storm Eagle Assault Gunship
The legendary mobility of the Adeptus Astartes has won planet-spanning conflicts with a single strike; providing the precise application of deadly force at the point where it proved most decisive. A Chapter’s fleet of attack craft is the keystone that makes this possible, and it is the iconic Thunderhawks and Drop Pods that are at the forefront. Craft such as the Storm Eagle Assault Gunship follow close behind to lend their weapons to the devastating assault.
A formidable gunship, the Storm Eagle mounts fearsome firepower for a vehicle of its size and is capable of transporting twenty Space Marines directly into the thick of an assault. The exact provenance of the Storm Eagle is unknown, but it bears clear similarities to the Stormravens employed by the Blood Angels and Grey Knights. Certain sources place the principal manufacture of the Storm Eagle upon Tigrus and Anvilus IX, both primary-grade Forge Worlds that suffered catastrophic damage during the Horus Heresy.
In recent decades the number of Storm Eagles in active service has begun to increase, especially amongst those Chapters known to have favourable relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus. This has lead some observers to believe that production has been restored at an as yet unknown location.
Designed by Stuart Williamson, the Storm Eagle is a complete resin and plastic kit which is packed with some incredible design work, including a fully detailed interior. It will be available to purchase in limited numbers at the Forge World Open Day on Sunday 1st April, in advance of its scheduled release date, for £80.
Damn you forgeworld, first those pretty Minotaur special characters then the termies now this sexy predator?? Must buy 3 for my pre heresy army!!! Me want!! me want!!
Congrats, you and I posted the only useful information on this page, the rest is useless meme and pointless drivel. Now I remember why I hardly post here any longer.
Forge World has now sent newsletters, posted on their website, and repeatedly posted on a popular social networking site multiple times that the Storm Eagle is an actual new release. They have release dates for it and pricing information. GW and their subidiaries are a business and when they have joked in the past it's been pretty obvious (unless you are extremely gullible or a twit). If the rest of this thread is going to consist of further speculation that it's an "April Fools" and other useless junk like meme photos, clearly this thread is spent of any meaningful conversation even faster than usual around here. Time for another long break.
ph34r wrote:Yeah, but these wings are different. This is the first time they have done the wings flat across the top. In the past they have been generally highly angled tabs more akin to fins, or for the thunderhawk straight wings. This one has a very Tau-like flying wing type thing going on in the back.
I could have just been easiest for them to make the kit that way, but then again who knows.
Here is the real interesting part; I wonder if this was inpsired by the CH kit?
(which looks awesome in person, btw)
I doubt it. The CH kit is a mediocre extension to the existing kit, while this is a near total redesign of the rear and to a lesser degree, sides of the kit.
Oh, I agree they are very different. I apologize for not being more clear in my statement.
I was wondering if there was a conversation like this sometime...
Designer 1: "Hey guys, lets make a marine flyer...we have a lot of options"
Designer 2: "Yeah, we learned a lot from making the thunderhawk, and assault ram..."
Designer 3: "Hey, how about we just make a modification kit for the storm raven?"
Designer 1 & 2: "what? that flying brick? Have you seen how many people hate it?"
Designer 3: "I am not saying it should look like a storm raven, but we could use it as a base, and mod it".
Designer 2: "That would look terrible..."
Designer 1: "Wait, a second, I saw a conversion kit that actually made it look good, by extending it..."
Designer 2: "Yeah, I think we can pull it off, and make a even more extensive mod...dude your'a genius"
Designer 1: "thanks!"
Designer 3: facepalm....
Who knows? Regardless, depending on how bad the rules suck, I may consider getting one...but at 80 pounds...maybe not.
I suspect it was more aimed at the people that commented unfavorably on the Stormraven Chapterhouse kit.
So, you guys think they will sell this as a conversion kit? I have a stormraven that's still in the box, and a CHS kit, but I think I like this better than the CHS kit.
It's aimed all around, I see poeple who like the Storm Eagle, who don't, who like the Storm Raven, people who don't, no need to turn this into a flame war.
Problem was they had a lot of people complain to them that "I read it was a complete kit, but it's not!" when it was clearly marked as "This is a conversion kit for X, requiring you to purchase X to build Y".
ph34r wrote:The stormraven is ugly and the CH stormraven is still ugly. Not even being sculpted by one of CH's non-awful sculptors would make it somehow good.
The CHS conversion kit was made by someone in the PM&B forum. The guys from CHS saw it and said "Hey, can we make that?" and the guy went "Sure!".
Still ugly. Now, if someone made a kit out of the TRUE "mini t-hawk" style storm raven... I'd buy that.
I guess I fail to see what people are getting all cranked up about. I mean it's fine... but not amazing. It's a relatively minor re envisioning of the storm raven.... or to be pessimistic... the storm raven with the CH upgrades... with some control surfaces re positioned & some external weapon mounts. (which if you think about it is really funny... stealing an idea from a company that you believe is stealing from you).
Anyway, I digress.
My point is that while it's a good model... it's just not that exciting or earth shattering, and it's $120 or so... plus shipping! That's a lot of dough for an OK model. Especially one I can't field in most (read as all) local tournaments. Obviously there are many of you who don't share the last problem, but for me it is an important factor in my purchasing decisions.
Kanluwen wrote:Problem was they had a lot of people complain to them that "I read it was a complete kit, but it's not!" when it was clearly marked as "This is a conversion kit for X, requiring you to purchase X to build Y".
I thought the new images they use, where they grey out the elements of the kit you don't get, were a good way to solve that. Alternately, screw it, why not add a popup box you must tick acknowledging it's a conversion kit, not a complete kit.
I definitely would not buy this if it was a standalone kit, since you can just about buy 2 stormravens with extension kits for that price.
Arm.chair.general wrote:£80 for what looks like the space marine brick kit-bashed with a few other flyers? No thanks. The predators on the other hand are gorgeous!
I am continually baffled by people's assertions that the SM's "flying brick" designs are something new. They're not. SM's have always had this design aesthetic for their vehicles. Take a look at the Land Speeders from RT to see the proto-flying bricks. That's what SM's are all about. The Thunderhawk, Stormraven and now Stormeagle are all effectively flying tanks and are designed to operate as such on the battlefield.
Platuan4th wrote:
Yeah, that's the one the first pic shows. The 2nd edition(2nd pic) shows a better proto-version of the Marine flyer aesthetic, though.
Agreed. Though the first Speeder shows the groundwork for everything that followed it. SM's have never been about aerodynamics, it just not their schtick.
Ouze wrote:I suspect it was more aimed at the people that commented unfavorably on the Stormraven Chapterhouse kit.
So, you guys think they will sell this as a conversion kit? I have a stormraven that's still in the box, and a CHS kit, but I think I like this better than the CHS kit.
Semi OT,
So FW and GW recently keep on pumping out kits that other companies have been making...
e.g thunder wolves
tervigons
stormravent
bio weapons
coincidence? Or they are going to be diligent now? :'D
Man, I miss the design aesthetic of the 2nd edition speeder. I liked it. With FW making throw back Rhinos and Predators, I wonder if they'll to throw back landspeeders.
Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.
So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.
No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?
No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?
Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.
So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.
No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?
No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?
And the Pink Knight hadn't Risen at that point.
Personal attacks, really? you see that as a personal attack? you seem to be years too late if thats what fits your definition. Because 2 years ago, I would have said you are correct.
Im going to be quite frank. lets see the truth.
Did kanluwe attempt to contact FW or not to tell them about the leak? Ya he did.
Everyone likes leaks, there are benefits and flaws, who cares leaks are OK look at News and Rumour section, thats what ITS FOR.
If today, slarg232 goes around attempting to cover up a leak because slarg232 felt obligated as a " buddy " of FW , then I'll laugh at you just the same, if not more TBH But as you can see, I was rather polite about it because IT IS THE KANLUWEN MAN, I have to be careful or else I'll invoke wrath of ban hammer.
Simply put, I'll react to an "type of action" not to "whom"
Though I wonder, if you must know why must we go OT in this thread?
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Gitsplitta wrote:No it's not. And I'm all for it. About damn time GW stopped inventing squads and then failing to produce any models for them.
I sort of see GW's purpose for it though.
Generally ( i think most people agree )
tons of Codex units without proper models are quite tasty ( effective vs point cost )
The extra bonus in its worth was what encouraged players to convert and kit bash GW kits to make this unit.
Which usually involves in atleast 2 kits, essentially earning GW double, rather than if they come up with an official kit.
Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.
So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.
No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?
No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?
And the Pink Knight hadn't Risen at that point.
Personal attacks, really? you see that as a personal attack? you seem to be years too late if thats what fits your definition. Because 2 years ago, I would have said you are correct.
Im going to be quite frank. lets see the truth.
Did kanluwe attempt to contact FW or not to tell them about the leak? Ya he did.
Everyone likes leaks, there are benefits and flaws, who cares leaks are OK look at News and Rumour section, thats what ITS FOR.
If today, slarg232 goes around attempting to cover up a leak because slarg232 felt obligated as a " buddy " of FW , then I'll laugh at you just the same, if not more TBH But as you can see, I was rather polite about it because IT IS THE KANLUWEN MAN, I have to be careful or else I'll invoke wrath of ban hammer.
Simply put, I'll react to an "type of action" not to "whom"
Though I wonder, if you must know why must we go OT in this thread?
You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.
Slarg232 wrote:You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.
You do realize there are 2 types of "audience" in our discussion right?
1) GamesDay people
2) Online people like dakka dakka for example.
Yes so the leak ruined it for gamesday people, you have my sympathy and condolence ( im not sarcastic because back there even I agreed GW needed to make the trip worthwhile since the ticket was so expensive
you can search, it was in a Gamesday ticket price complaint thread ). However... becauseIts irreversible and done like someone said earlier in this thread "lol deleting something on the internet"
lesson learned, additional competence needed. No reason to halt the leak to the type 2 people. Because then the leak sort of drips down to what we benefit :'3
Alls good in the universe.
You never know, might be the most competent Aprils Fool Joke EVAR
Slarg232 wrote:You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.
You do realize there are 2 types of "audience" in our discussion right?
1) GamesDay people
2) Online people like dakka dakka for example.
Yes so the leak ruined it for gamesday people. Its irreversible and done like someone said earlier in this thread "lol deleting something on the internet"
lesson learned, additional competence needed. No reason to halt the leak to the type 2 people.
Alls good in the universe.
You never know, might be the most competent Aprils Fool Joke EVAR
It's Open Day, not Games Day; Open Day is free.
And yes, the leak ruined it for the target audiance. That's a problem.
Slarg232 wrote:It's Open Day, not Games Day; Open Day is free.
And yes, the leak ruined it for the target audiance. That's a problem.
Oh its free? sorry about the gas fee then....
but really, you are looking it from the other side ( im not completely disagreeing with you)
rather, you need to accept once its leaked, its irreversible, so might as well share the wealth xD
But wait a minute, thats not fair :'o your cause for halting the leak is quite noble, which I can agree to.
But I will laugh at you if its for the sake of brown nosing FW :'D
Slarg232... as much as I would love to keep on entertaining you, and the lovely audience,
I really think continuing to go OT is not very wise for me.... so if you must ask your questions, I will respectively reply to them ALL ( in PM )
So.... your choice I guess...?
warhamster77 wrote:so your saying I can get a bus ride from Texas all the way to Nottingham for a Games Day? I don't think I can hold my breath that long....
You, mein frunde, have NEVER been in the Magic School Bus, have you?
Slarg232 wrote:You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.
And it would be entirely your fault for being a dumbass and telling that 12-year-old what his surprise was in the first place, wouldn't it? Or leaving it relatively out in the open so that finding said surprise would take very little (if any) effort.
That's kind of what happened here. Forge World don't know how to internet and fethed up, and you're trying to say* it's all our fault for "ruining" the surprise for all the attendees at the Open Day. Sorry but that's a load of horse gak.
STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Storm Eagle officially validated by Forgeworld, some like it, some don't.
Not any real reason to keep this thread running.
Wrap it up and move along to greener pastures people. Nothing to see here any more.
Or... y'know, we could keep it open to continue to discuss the other releases as well...
I really like that predator. I'm not sold on the decimator, I think the bipedal walkers category is fairly crowded and whilst it's well sculpted, I don't think it adds anything. I'd have preferred something more otherworldly and weird for a daemon engine, like those nurgle flyers or the brass scorp.
I was wondering if there was a conversation like this sometime...
Designer 1: "Hey guys, lets make a marine flyer...we have a lot of options"
Designer 2: "Yeah, we learned a lot from making the thunderhawk, and assault ram..."
Designer 3: "Hey, how about we just make a modification kit for the storm raven?"
Designer 1 & 2: "what? that flying brick? Have you seen how many people hate it?"
Designer 3: "I am not saying it should look like a storm raven, but we could use it as a base, and mod it".
Designer 2: "That would look terrible..."
Designer 1: "Wait, a second, I saw a conversion kit that actually made it look good, by extending it..."
Designer 2: "Yeah, I think we can pull it off, and make a even more extensive mod...dude your'a genius"
Designer 1: "thanks!"
Designer 3: facepalm....
Who knows? Regardless, depending on how bad the rules suck, I may consider getting one...but at 80 pounds...maybe not.
Oh so plausible... (and no, I'm not being sarcastic.)
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I honestly think it looks 100% better than it's parent model. I'd own one if I ever broke my 'No MEQ army' rule.
Bettcha Orks can loot it.
QFT
Can't wait to see what Gorfrag is gonna do with one of these babies.
I'm super excited about the Deimos Pattern Predator Executioner . While not a fan of the Deimos pattern I can already see it'd be a cinch to mod that plasma cannon onto a modern predator. Personally I just like the harsh angles over the round hatches and dome shaped turrets. Anyone else think that this predator version is only going to be heavy 2 compared to the Leman Russ' heavy 3 executioner? I Also like the Glacis plate on the Deimos. I don't like my rhino's and predators sharing the same glacis plate so I may use the deimos' as a base to build plasticard conversions for my futures preds in the same vein.
Love the conversion beamer design, just not a fan of the rules. I can appreciate high risk high reward play styles but str / ap dependent on range just seems folly to me, I mean what if the enemy is a drop troop style and is never more than 12 inches from you? Again just a personal tactical style. Still a awesome looking gun.
Shoulders on the Decimator look a bit overbuilt in my opinion but that's about all the complaint I got for it, seems moderately balanced (for forge world that's a big deal) and they're releasing most of the weapon choices very quickly.
Okay yeah I like the storm eagle. It's a nice step between the Thunderhawk and Storm Raven. Thunderhawk carries 30, eagle 20, raven 12. I was planning years down the line on getting 3 thunderhawks but now I'm thinking one with next years taxes and picking up 3 of the new fliers. I'm eager to see the rules and point costs here for them, luck holding some nice Dakka memeber will happen to snap a pic of their rules after picking one up on sunday. I can see where people catch the tau style in the rear of this thing but that's not neccessarily a bad thing. Personally I just think it's the mostly flat top with the wings on the same level that gives it the tau look. Most other imperial aircraft have the wings centered on the body or have engines between them and the hull.
All in all I'm pretty excited. Though I'm still disapointed in Will Hayes for those god awful terminators in newsletter 300. C'mon Forgeworld, give us our god ed cataphracts/pre heresy terminators already.
carabine wrote:Okay yeah I like the storm eagle. It's a nice step between the Thunderhawk and Storm Raven. Thunderhawk carries 30, eagle 20, raven 12. I was planning years down the line on getting 3 thunderhawks but now I'm thinking one with next years taxes and picking up 3 of the new fliers. I'm eager to see the rules and point costs here for them, luck holding some nice Dakka memeber will happen to snap a pic of their rules after picking one up on sunday. I can see where people catch the tau style in the rear of this thing but that's not neccessarily a bad thing. Personally I just think it's the mostly flat top with the wings on the same level that gives it the tau look. Most other imperial aircraft have the wings centered on the body or have engines between them and the hull.
All in all I'm pretty excited. Though I'm still disapointed in Will Hayes for those god awful terminators in newsletter 300. C'mon Forgeworld, give us our god ed cataphracts/pre heresy terminators already.
The "flashy" wings at the rear of the Eagle are the only thing I don't like about it...I'm currently painting a CHS-modified Stormraven, and so will stick to that...will be converting it to the Eagle's weapons loadout once the rules become available. (Not that I ever get time to play, but I like to have "legal" models...) Just my two cents, but I really like the CH version - in the hand, it ends up like a mini Thunderhawk...
Agree completely re the Terminators...very disappointing.
Man, I miss the design aesthetic of the 2nd edition speeder. I liked it. With FW making throw back Rhinos and Predators, I wonder if they'll to throw back landspeeders.
They might well do: For their Badab War (*cough* pre-heresy *cough*) stuff so far they have followed the Collected Visions books with the armour styles, except for the recently released terminators.
And, the Land Speeders from Collected Visions do all look like 2nd edition ones:
You can still get the 2nd edition ones in metal (they weren't made OOP that long ago), although they are rapidly getting more expensive to get anything other than one broken and dipped in Dulux.
Man! I just told myself that I could live without the FW retro Predator, and then they stick a conversion beamer on it and now I'm sold!
The StormEagle is cool, it looks like a fun build! I also get a Space Marine Landing Craft vibe from it more than T-hawk! A tad pricey for me, but I've liked most of what FW has been putting out as of late! Can't wait to see what April 1st brings. Would the announcement that FW is switching to Finecast resin be a good April Fools Day joke?
Pacific wrote:You can still get the 2nd edition ones in metal (they weren't made OOP that long ago), although they are rapidly getting more expensive to get anything other than one broken and dipped in Dulux.
Pacific wrote:You can still get the 2nd edition ones in metal (they weren't made OOP that long ago), although they are rapidly getting more expensive to get anything other than one broken and dipped in Dulux.
Are people really trying to argue the Stormeagle is fake? Really? It's up there on FW's website, complete with a price. They wouldn't piss off the customer base by having it be an "April Fools" joke either.
Forge World(read: Ead Brown) commented on their Facebook that they're doing last minute Open Day stuff, like putting rules in the Stormeagle kits, and people keep insisting it's a fake.
Nrljm wrote:I think an April fools joke like that would result in riots!
Actually, FW openly said that they use different resins for different things (Like one kind of resin for Land Raider parts, another for the Bio-Titan, another for infantry-sized guys, etc), and that they have used the Finecast resin (and resin mixes very close to it) for certain models, and they've had no issues with it.
Nrljm wrote:I think an April fools joke like that would result in riots!
Actually, FW openly said that they use different resins for different things (Like one kind of resin for Land Raider parts, another for the Bio-Titan, another for infantry-sized guys, etc), and that they have used the Finecast resin (and resin mixes very close to it) for certain models, and they've had no issues with it.
And just to nip this in the bud...
They said they experimented with the Finecast resin last year. They cast up a number of small items, mainly Death Korps of Krieg models, using Finecast. The results were acceptable, but it wasn't really any different than them using their standard resin.
evancich wrote:FW's FB page says they are readying the rules tomorrow, which happens to be a Sunday and April 1st.
I don't like the odds. I hope it is real and will be for sale, but it would be a pretty good prank.
Seriously?
Enough of this "It's an April Fool's Joke!" stuff.
Forge World has had their Open Day near April 1st for years. They have never done an April Fool's Joke for their Open Day. They are not "readying the rules tomorrow", they are packaging the rules into the kits which will be for sale tomorrow available for purchase. The rules proper will not be on the website until it is for sale to everyone else.
Enough of this "It's not an April Fool's Joke!" stuff.
Forge World has had their Open Day near April 1st for years. They have never done an April Fool's Joke for their Open Day, which clearly means they can *NEVER* pull a prank.
Just like you can't use FW units in a "normal" 40k game. Oh wait...
FW shut up and take my money!!!! That is smexy =o]
That's the stormeagle? Aren't they meant to be huge? About manta sized?
Probably, but that's changed now. If they were Manta size FW would be charging ~$2,000 for them and nobody would buy one. An affordable (this is not the Thunderhawk) but cool looking (this is not the Stormraven) aircraft is going to be huge among SM players.
The Stormbird is what the Thunderhawk was replacing.
The Stormbird was large enough to land a company of Astartes and their support vehicles, etc at once.
There's also the Stormhawk which we do not have any images of yet(at least that I can think of) which is mentioned in "A Thousand Sons" as being a fightercraft of some sort.
Ah yeah, it was the stormbird that I was thinking of. They just all sound so familiar, you know?
Anyway, I actually like the storm eagle. It looks very sleek for a SM craft, and it the chapter marking on the door is a nice touch. Question is though, is it only a salamander symbol, or can it be any symbol?
I'm quite sure that even if it hasn't been mentioned in fluff anywhere, Chapters would absolutely currently have some big bulk lander that could handle a company + some vehicles in one drop (like the Stormbird), but it'd be so unfeasible in the game that it doesn't ever need to have rules. It's just like I'm very sure that Imerial Guard forces have dropships that can shuttle down an entire tank company in one go, not to mention the ones for Titans(!). The Imperium is widely known for it's huge OOT machinery,
It's not like it'd see a reason to be on even a Apocalypse table, either. All we really need to ever worry about are vehicles that are used for "hot drops" or are gunships, anyway.
On topic, I like the Predators, but not the Chaos walker. It's pretty 'visually boring', really. And I think the Stormhawk would look a lot better to me if the wings were more centrally mounted, like a Thunderhawk. That's a Marine flyer design that I like.
Nrljm wrote:I think an April fools joke like that would result in riots!
Actually, FW openly said that they use different resins for different things (Like one kind of resin for Land Raider parts, another for the Bio-Titan, another for infantry-sized guys, etc), and that they have used the Finecast resin (and resin mixes very close to it) for certain models, and they've had no issues with it.
And just to nip this in the bud...
They said they experimented with the Finecast resin last year. They cast up a number of small items, mainly Death Korps of Krieg models, using Finecast. The results were acceptable, but it wasn't really any different than them using their standard resin.
Bull crap we just placed an order around March this year for Chaos dwarves and they were definitely not the same resin or sprue or most importantly,
they came in clam shells like FC models.
Nrljm wrote:I think an April fools joke like that would result in riots!
Actually, FW openly said that they use different resins for different things (Like one kind of resin for Land Raider parts, another for the Bio-Titan, another for infantry-sized guys, etc), and that they have used the Finecast resin (and resin mixes very close to it) for certain models, and they've had no issues with it.
And just to nip this in the bud...
They said they experimented with the Finecast resin last year. They cast up a number of small items, mainly Death Korps of Krieg models, using Finecast. The results were acceptable, but it wasn't really any different than them using their standard resin.
Bull crap we just placed an order around March this year for Chaos dwarves and they were definitely not the same resin or sprue or most importantly,
they came in clam shells like FC models.
part underlined. i know bro
And they have already talked about the clamshells as well.
They changed packaging for some items when GW started doing clamshells.
I haven't gotten anything in it yet, but I haven't ordered anything small enough to really be in it.
Edit, here's the exact statement as a reply to someone asking if the clamshells were foreshadowing of FW being available in normal GW shops:
Forge World wrote: Nope. We periodically change our packaging and the clampack option is a lot better. We wouldn't be able to meet the demand of wholesale production without significantly affecting our quality control.
Order some chaos dwarves so you can see first hand rather constantly "correcting" those of us that have actually bought the items.
Feel free to explain why the resin is different as well.
So what you're saying is Forge World is lying when they say that they are not using Finecast?
Because the resin that they've been using for their infantry models is not the same mixture as what is used for Finecast. It is solid, not springy like Finecast.
I should also add that you getting a model which is on a sprue or might actually BE a Finecast model is not a sign of them continuing to produce said models.
The way I've had it explained to me by them is this:
They do a large scale production run to start with, meeting a certain number. They then warehouse that specific number of models. When the stock begins to go down, they start casting more to fill the warehouse numbers back up.
What that means is this:
If you make an order for an item like the Heavy Bolter Tarantula Emplacement(this is my own personal example, mind you, as this is what happened to myself) it can feasibly come in packaging years old.
Kanluwen wrote:So what you're saying is Forge World is lying when they say that they are not using Finecast?
Because the resin that they've been using for their infantry models is not the same mixture as what is used for Finecast. It is solid, not springy like Finecast.
Im saying, those of us that bought it knows its not the same as normal FW resin.
What Im saying is, I really don't have the patience or the care to convince you in particular.
However, you are free to purchase some and then make your judgment prior to butting in everyone's business.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ah yeah, it was the stormbird that I was thinking of. They just all sound so familiar, you know?
Anyway, I actually like the storm eagle. It looks very sleek for a SM craft, and it the chapter marking on the door is a nice touch. Question is though, is it only a salamander symbol, or can it be any symbol?
I feel your pain...I just hope they don't go down the track they did with the Baneblade variants...that was just puerile and embarassing...
Anyway, back OT...I would expect that the Eagle would accept any doors from the FW range... they look Rhino-door-sized (?).... probably will turn out they mounted the Sallie doors on it to show the compatability and match the paintjob...
The FW newsflash says "In recent decades the number of Storm Eagles in active service has begun to increase, especially amongst those Chapters known to have favourable relations with the Adeptus Mechanicus..." so looks like any Chapter it is...
Kanluwen wrote:The Stormbird is what the Thunderhawk was replacing.
The Stormbird was large enough to land a company of Astartes and their support vehicles, etc at once.
There's also the Stormhawk which we do not have any images of yet(at least that I can think of) which is mentioned in "A Thousand Sons" as being a fightercraft of some sort.
correct, but the stormeagle was mentioned in A Thousand Sons as well as the ship Russ used to drop down in
It looks nice. I really hope storm eagles have some variety in their weapons load out. It does bother me that it looks like all weapons are fixed in the forward position.
Do you think it'll be a super heavy, or just another version of the thunder turkey? I suspect the latter; by the looks of it, it appears to be a more aggressive version of the SR, judging by the huge missile launchers on the back. Probably less transport and more dakka.
Hmmm...come to think of it, my latest Death Guard bits I got are similar to FC resin in color and how they feel to the touch, but-as you said-it's a harder resin. The detail looks good though, so I'm happy!
Everyone - Please keep this thread on topic, and ratchet down the venom?
Start another thread about FW Resin over in Dakka Discussions if you must, but anything more along those lines here will be grounds for warnings and such.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Do you think it'll be a super heavy, or just another version of the thunder turkey? I suspect the latter; by the looks of it, it appears to be a more aggressive version of the SR, judging by the huge missile launchers on the back. Probably less transport and more dakka.
the email said it has 20 transport capacity. So not really less, just about the same if you count the Dreadnought.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Do you think it'll be a super heavy, or just another version of the thunder turkey? I suspect the latter; by the looks of it, it appears to be a more aggressive version of the SR, judging by the huge missile launchers on the back. Probably less transport and more dakka.
The FW Decimator rules have been updated, and can be found here.
Not sure what's different, it looks about the same to me but I'm likely missing something obvious, maybe extra weapon options. I see all the marks are still 15 points no matter which.
I still think the weapon prices are silly. None of them seem to take into account the fact that you're giving up a CCW and a Heavy Flamer. So is a Butcher Cannon worth 20 points? Hell yes it is. But is it worth 20 points, the loss of a HTH attack and a heavy flamer? Hmm... not sure.
[EDIT]: They're a bit of a mess. The conversion beamer is printed twice. Does anyone remember if the Las-thingy, the Autocannon or the Soul Burner Petard had any additional special rules?
Take my money forgeworld that New predator pattern is beautiful
