- New Mk IV Assault Space Marines
- New Tartaros Pattern character cc weapon upgrade pack
- 2 new SM Apothecarius models
- new Land Raider Spartan (capacity 20 SM or 10 Terminators)
- new Imperial flyer
- new Storm Eagle (based on Storm Raven, available in 6-8 weeks, 80 £)
- fun Space Shark and Khorne Flake models for display only
- Race specific RoB sections for 40k, also Cityfight terrain sections (will accommodate the GW40k buildings), maybe trenches, maybe sections liking them to the Zone Mortalis boards
- New Zone Mortalis boards (diagonals, specifics) plus dressing kits for engineering and medical bay.
- no Elysians or other IG troops in the near future
- IA12 is Minotaur SM Vs Necrons. Focus is on sectorwide conflict rather than specific system/planet. Includes for necrons dragonfly swarms, some superheavies, Cryptec/Overlord upgrade/conversion sprue with heads, no new troops. Will be a 'snap shot' of a day in the Imperium, based around a predefined piece of space, sub-sector/system. It aims to show that the Imperium is torn apart by War, with multiple threats and conflicts in short periods of time. It endeavours to give a feel for how chaotic the universe really is.
- IA13 most likely the delayed Tzeentch/penal colony stuff
- next 3 or 4 IA story lines well developed
- Dark Eldar storyline needs rework because too grimdark even for 40k Simon Egan and Will Hayes would love to do DE models
- still plans for Adeptus Mechanicus in next 2-3 books, including Knights.
- more Modelling Masterclass volumes
Summary Fantasy
- new Colossal Squig from Monstrous Arcanum
- new Preyton from Monstrous Arcanum
- new Chaos Dwarf K'daai Fireborn from Tamurkhan book.
- Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs finished and K'daai Destroyer in the works.
- next book will be "Battle for the Fire Pass" campaign book, featuring Empire and Dwarfs vs Orcs and Goblins. Will probably include Dwarf Zeppelin. Mock-Up of book present. One different sculptor for each race.
- Race specific RoB sections for Fantasy
Open Day has just begun. First impressions by people over at Warseer:
Kilgore wrote:Mark 4 assault squads, older mk apothecarys, new imperial flyer, tartaros character upgrade kits, new city fight boards, forgeworld have outdone themselves!
philbrad2 wrote:Right spotted....
Stromeagle Indeed a resin plastic hybrid
Mk iv assault troops
New CC termis upgrades hammers and claws
New termi combi/heavy weapons
New apothecarys - these are absolutely gorgeous
New IG 'A10' attack flyer
Land Raider Spartan
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Its a whole kit and included plastic Storm Raven. Fuselage top, ramp, cockpit and outer wing panels are SR sourced. Engines use resin centres (with inner wings) and plastic SR intakes and exhausts. Rules (from memory) Armour 12/12/12 (yes 12 rear) 20 troop capacity, weaponry quite similar to SR for nose, TL lascannos on wings, hellstrike missles, missile launcher pods were I think 2 S5 AP5 large blast.
kragnorak wrote:Hi had a 5 minute chat with EDGAR SKOMOROWSKI, who sculpted most of the chaos dwarf range. He said that he has just finished making the new Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs and that the K'daai Destroyer is being sculpted as we speak.
Once he had finished them he was moving onto the new "Battle for the Fire Pass" campaign book.
SotonShades from BoLS wrote:The Warlock Titan. Sorry eldargirl, but they won't be upgrading your beloved Phantom until the next time they do a major Eldar book (I'll explain when that is likely to be in a bit).
You want terrain kits? Blake Spence is working on them. He's the gentleman you can thank for the Zone Mortalis boards. Mostly going to be working on Realm of Battle Boards and more expansions for ZM, but other stand alone pieces are planned. Race specific RoB sections are planned, for most armies in 40k AND Fantasy! Could be a while before we see them though. This will include proper Cityfight terrain, possibly trenches in the future and linking pieces between RoB sections and ZM modules, such as stairs/subway entrances.
SotonShades, sorry for this very late question but did you hear anything about new stuffs for Elysian IG?
Yep. I'm afraid there are no plans to revisit them at the moment, or any other IG regiments or previously pulished lists. There are a few kits from previous books in the pipeline, most notably Bran Redmaw, but for the most part what is out is out. Apart from whomeveer gets in to IA12. Speaking of which;
IA12 is Minotaur Space Marines Vs Necrons. Focus is on sectorwide conflict rather than specific system/planet, so will incorporate IG and probably other races as well. Looking at a facet of Imperial war we haven't really seen before.
To go with the book expect a BIG expansion of FW's Necron range. I have seen Minotaur shoulder pads. Simon Eagen wants to work on helmets, torsos and backpack bits as well (in fact that is where the 2 Minotaur characteers came from).
Speaking of conversion bits, new style Terminators WILL be getting full set of weapon options, possibly including some more esoteric ideas (graviton gun perhaps?) and Assault Terminator options. Assault Termies were on display in Will Hayes's Case.
There are also stirings within the studio for doing Chapter specific Contermptors, similar to their current range of Dreadnoughts. Nothing officially started yet, but it is something various designers said they wanted to work on.
Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.
During the Q&A session, a question was raised regarding some SM chapters getting certain equipment and other not (such as the Thunderfire Cannon). Chaos Marines were also mentioned. Basicly, GW & FW want to keep some disparity between the MEQ lists based on the way they are supposed to play, so not all equipment will go to everyone. This includes chaos not getting a Caestus Assault Ram.
Minotaurs will probably appear in several unlinked books, with an overal unfolding mystery about them. The Tzeentch/penal colony stuff will most likely be IA13 now (possibly with a Fantasy Book inbetween) and will most likely cover a Tzeenchian Cult across several legions and renegade space mainres.
No plans for any further Enforcers/Arbities rekeases. In fact, a point was made that if you see it as a show only model, it is probably because they don't feel it would work as an army. Same goes for Primarch models, but for a slightly different reason.
No plans to release any more models for Badab characters, whichwas why such detailed descriptions were given, to give you chance to convert them.
Next fantasy book is most likely going to be a campaign between Orcs and Goblins and the Emprire; the Third Battle for Blackfire Pass.
There are fairly well developed ideas for the next 3 or 4 IA story lines. In fact the DE one is having to be rewritten because it is currently too Grim-Dark and bleak for 40k!
Speaking of which, Adeptus Mechanicus MAY appear in the next 2-3 books. Not certain, and probably more as part of a faction than as a force in their own right. They really want to do Knight Titans, but will be a while away yet.
Several people asked about a bulk land pod for the Thunderhawk Transporter. Again, it's another case of "something we'd like to do, but have no plans or concepts for it yet.
For those of you who aren't so pleased with the WDSoB codex... well, FW haven't got that on their radar yet, but really want to do a War of Faith style IA book, with Sister and lots of screaming fanatics. Earliest would be several years down the pipeline though.
Some points were raised about Blakc Library and FW cross-overs. Basic reply was that they love to draw inspiration from each other, but neither party wants to do any tie-ins because it screws with their creative freedom. Specifically, can you imagine how a BL author would feel if one of his favourite characters to write had a bullet put in the back of his head by a FW writer?
THERE WILL BE MORE MODELLING MASTERCLASS VOLUMES!
Hopefully they will be putting a new one out every year or year and a half. Most likely the next one will be a Fantasy release. That said, it was doubtful they would be releasing and more hobby supplies such as their weathering powders any time soon.
Despite the release of so many older marks of armour and relic style vehicles/weaspon, FW will not be doing any pre/heresy stuff any time soon. To do a book would essentially mean SM vs SM, and would be such a big project it would be very very difficult to manage around doing other releases. They also don't feel it would work too well along the lines of the game set in the 41st millenium, so wouldnt work with/against 41st millennium codicies. Afterall, the great crusade was humanity expanding across the whole galaxy in a few hundred years, wipining out all but a handful of sentient xenos races.
FW also apologised for dropping a lot of their older scenery kits recently, particularly the old trench system. Basically comes down to not being able to constantly stock enough, with terrain beaing some of the worst selling stuff and too expensive to manufacture for what they can reasonably expect to sell it at. The old foam bits were also too damagable. Hopefully the new hollow terrain casting methods will mean they can stock and create a much greater variety (as I've already mentioned.)
FW want to convert more of the deamon engines and superheavies from epic in to 40k sclae. however, simply blowing up the old models is not a realistic option, so they would need to be completely redesigned, probably keeping little more than the original name. they also pointed out that scale ratios in epic do not work in 40k. mostly, especially on tall models such as titans, they are too short! And the taller the model, the worse this difference is (so my warlord at 40+ inches isnt too far off what they should be)
The FW design team want to keep IG using tracked vehicles, grinding forwards, rather than wheels like trrop trucks or bikes. Don't expect to see too many exceptions like the tauros for the elysians. They will only do it where it makes sense for a regiemtn in their books.
FW won't be doing any Fellblades for the Space Marines. They dont feel it fits with 40k since the reorganisation of the Legions to chapters. There was however talk of doing weapons packs, such as 10 combi-meltas for example only, that would be popular. Similar to the Chapterhouse kits. No firm confirmation on this though.
As they've pointed out before, FW have very few links with the main design studio, so theyk now nothing of 6th Ed and how their stuff will integrate. As far as FW are concerned, anything stamped with the 40k approved logo is balanced enough for regular games, but always ask your opponant (no reason to say no, but...) They haven't even had a chance to get a hold of the new paints yet (so I had to tell Phil what they were like!) Similarly, there is no connection between the FW Demigryphs and the new empirs plastics as far as the FW team are aware.
FW are happy with the rate at which they put out books. They want to cover all the race before they cover any again (though expect Imperials to be in all books, quite possibly mostly Minotaurs for the next few), so we are now expecting Necrons in IA12, Tzeentch later (prob IA13) then DE and Slaanesh before anyone else gets re-done. Necrons are in very early concept phase, so will be a while before we get out hand on them, but there are all ready plans afoot for a BIG kit for Orks when they come round again. They will almost certainly get either a Bomma or a Gargant. Quite possibly both.
VaUgHaNy86 from Dakka wrote:I was talking to a couple of the design team today with regards to the Necrons, apparently they are currently working on some small constructs atm which are referenced as dragonfly like with segmented bodies, 4-5 to a base, with regards to ia 12 they are planning on releasing a titan like model undecided on war machine or construct, something to tie in with tomb stalker but spyder sized, possible upgrade sprues for crypteks/ overlords including possible alternate heads with different styles of death mask, the ia12 will be an entirely new dynasty with very different fluff and a couple named characters possible c'tan shard and they are planning on doing something between tomb stalker/ titan size, possibly a flyer, no plans on doing anything with regards to troops or anything like that, only characters as troops and infantry they believe there is no need to do anything with
Lovepug13 from Dakka wrote:Other items from Q&A....
Warlord Titan will be a go.....Late 2013 is the earliest you will see this.
Likewise....Gargant will be a go when Orks get another book....whenever that is.
For IA12 they want to focus on the bigger things for Necrons, a superheavy or superheavys could be on table
The prison planet "morros incident?" still going to be going ahead.....just not yet.
Zone Mortalis board to stay at Warhammer world for usage in main gaming hall....
Tzentch and Slanesh to get some love at some point in future in 40k
Thats all I can remember...had a great day, even got a Grot Mega tank lol :-)
Dysartes from Dakka wrote:One thing I forgot to mention - Modelling Masterclass Volume Two uses the old/current paint range, not the new one.
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I spoke to one of the sculptors, who commented the Blackfire Pass would have Empire, Dwarf and Orc & Goblin stuff in it - a relief for me, given the lack of obvious Dwarf content in Monstrous Arcana.
When I flicked through the art pamphlet with the Blackfire Pass cover, one piece of art that stuck out was a Dwarf Zeppelin. There was also a range of empire art, and a couple of O&G pieces.
One of the digital artists was working on a Night Goblin Fanatic piece, and I think the other was working on a River Troll.
The FW (as opposed to Warhammer Forge) digital artists were working on a technical drawing of a Deimos-chassis Rhino (I think - certainly that chassis, but I didn't see a plate over the top hatch), and there was a SM and Contemptor being coloured in Minotaur colours, presumably for IA 12.
Slaaaaaanesh from Warseer wrote:
Very nice stuff all around. Did anyone happen to catch the actual release date for the Stormeagle kit?
I overheard 6-8 weeks from the designer.
Could someone please tell us, how many parts have one of the new terminator models? Are the heads single pieces?
The kit is two sprues, one with torso and legs seperated, and the other with the following seperate parts, right arm, storm bolter, left arm power fist, head, and even the shoulder pads are in two pieces that slot over each other to give the layered armour look. Ooh and a saw bit to turn the powerfist into a chainfist.
Regarding the Storm Eagle, I don't know about a conversion kit but they give you enough of the storm raven kit to make it, but not a complet storm raven plus the forgeworld parts.
Sorrowshard from The Dark City wrote:Hello Ladies,
Back from my fact finding mission at WH world today, it was a bit of a marine fest really, very little indeed to report on anything solid.
However I do have a couple of things for you.
DE wont be in the next IA as thats already set, possibly the one after or the one after that, Alan did say he had done some stuff towards it already.
I said we would all very much like a t hawk sized ish or bigger galleon/barge pirate ship thingy to fill our 'titan' slot, he said that was one thing they would probably look at and that also (he seemed quite keen on this idea) an extra large talos-like Heamo construct. Sounds pretty ace to me, but as I feel it is important that we have some nice big toys but I think we need something kabalite first an foremost, hell they could do a variant on the barge for Coven too (slave cages, autopsies etc)
I also explained that the Tantalus is utter garbage, Alan was surprised he said (and I quote) "well it was carving things up in test games" I said I don't see how thats possible unless ther testers can roll 5's on demand ? I also explained the the douche canoe does it better and is significantly smaller and does not mount "pulse dissonance projectors" and blades.
He kinda muttered something about looking at it so I guess its possible it could see a review for the eventual IADE book, two things folks, FW will need your feedback if it is to improve and not just "it's gash make it better" I personally will be sending an email explaining the problems with it and offering solutions with explanations, I'll prob do up another data sheet, last time I snet them one of these and an email things DID get changed, some of my ideas made it into print on the phantom so things can be changed and fed back on , at least where FW is concerned.
Also I noticed today the 'original' Tantalus had two Dark lance mounts which we never got in the end, is not like dark lances are the b0rk3n, wonder why ?
Ok so this next bit is pretty big.
Will (Phantom Titan) Hayes was completely down with the idea of a DE super heavy barge/ship, he even told me about some of his ideas for it , he was very enthusiastic, in fact apparently he had made a start on it, but no one could agree on how it should be and became a bit of a committee / too many Chefs affair and he has put it aside currently with no plans to pick it up at any point, he said it was too big a project to realistically do in his own time, so he/FW could really do with a shove to get it on the boil again as it is technically 'dropped' at the moment,
They should just let Will/Jes get on with it , there is literally no way it could go wrong with them on it.
Talima suggested hitting up the FB page and seeing what the response was like, I think we should defo do that and also I think an open letter from the Dark city to Will/FW would maybe help get the project of life support, remember just because Alan does rules does not guarantee we will see model for it any time in the next ten years....
I'm happy to deal with the letter, I'll have a word with sky about getting a poll up so we can essentially collate the opinion of the entire DE community here into one easy to ingest result, Ill forward that along with the open letter.
Lastly and it's a pretty loose rumor really, but Simon Egan seemed fairly enthusiastic when I asked if he would be doing DE models anytime soon, there are no plans but I think he would really like to, if the Shadow Spectres are anything to go by I think any DE he does end up doing will be fething marvelous.
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In the meantime expect to be spammed to death with marines marines and just for a change more marines.....
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Eldorad wrote:So I had a good look at the Black Fire Pass mock up (as it was, not much yet).
There was (mixed in with the WH online art) some brand new are including some empire knights, a jade wizard, some big orcs, a sea troll and... a Dwarf airship.
Spoke to the scuplters and airship is definately on the cards.
Keith mentioned that each sculpter is working on a different race - one for dwarfs, one for empire, one for orcs - to give consistency.
Exciting times!!!
PS Magma dragon looked badass and the new book is sweeeeet.
Petay1985 wrote:Ok, additonal things that i discussed with the Forge World designers:
Mark Bedford:
- Currently working on command squad, (i seem to recall it will be mostly MkIV) with plumed helmets, cloaks, etc... Will include a captain, apthecary, champion, standard bearer as one would expect.
- Apothecarties designed to show the evolution of the apothecary specific kit.
Blake Spence:
- Working on more Zone Mortalis boards, diagonals and other more interesting specific boards.
- 'dressing' kits being worked on; so that'd be like 'engine room' 'medical-bay' 'command and control' etc, etc..
- 3D boards being considered/wanted, logistics still uncerain though. i.e. multiple levels.
- City Fight realm or battle boards being worked on, very nice progress. Will accommodate the GW40k buildings.
Alan Bligh
- Imperial Armour 12 to be a 'snap shot' of a day in the Imperium, based around a predefined piece of space, sub-sector/system. It aims to show that the Imperium is torn apart by War, with multiple threats and conflicts in short periods of time. It endeavours to give a feel for how chaotic the universe really is.
- Necrons main protagonist.
- Minatours & Guard main Imperial assets, Minatours logical as fleet based and models/upgrade kits on the horizon.
- Orks likely involved.
- Consideration to other races such as Eldar/Dark Eldar and minor Chaos elements still in progres.
- Alan alson confirmed that the prison planet idea is not lost, and will feature in a future book with a Tzeentch cult (involving multiple warbands).
Simon Egan:
- Literally just finished the Minotaurs characters.
- Wants to do Torso's (terminator), storms shields (round and oval), thunder hammers.
- Wouldn't elaborate on current/next project.
Will Hayes:
- Had a fantastic dicsussion regard Power Armour; in that a Mark is defined by the chasis and systems, which is then clad in armour plate, so any mark could in theory have different aesthetics of armour plate over the defining systems and chasis. So mark doesn't neccessarily refer to aesthetic, but are characterised by it.
- Mk IV is the ultimate power armour, most advanced systems, etc.. So will be given a full suite of items; most of which we've seen. Infanty, Jump Infantry, Terminators, etc...
- New Boltgun, Bolt Pistol and Storm bolters coming out in the same style as the new termiantor storm bolters. however only the Boltguns will be an individual kit.
- Terminator Character Upgrade kit will feature all items shown, but not the terminators themselves.
- Intends to have a Terminator Assault Kit, which will likely be the Terminators + Lightning Claws + Thunder Hammer & Storm Shields.
- Chapter specific Contemptors on the cards at the moment.
Phil Stutcinskas:
- Land Raider Spartan likely to be capacity 20, Rapier Laser Destroyer Sponsons, assault vehicle, etc...
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Thats all i can remember for now... hope it's of interest to some.
Vogon from ChaosDwarfs wrote:I've just had a chat with Steve Whitehead who is in the process of sculpting a K'Daai Destroyer.
He is doing this in his free time as a Freelance piece he expects to finish it in a couple of months but doesn't think we'll see it for sale for at least 6 months.
He seems to be extremely enthusiastic about the project and was genuinely pleased to talk about it. He did say that there are no Hobgoblins in the pipeline as things stand right now but did talk about a conversion he's seen with a skaven stormvermin on the back of the new wolves and suggested that would be a great place to start from. Now I wonder where he got that idea Happy
Edgar has finished the Fireborn and is working on the Bull Centaurs which are a lot bulkier and more "bull like" than the current incarnation also about 6 months away.
Once these three releases are complete this will be it for Chaos Dwarfs for quite a while as the staff move on to other projects
I can't remember who asked but I also had a chat with Tamila Fox about the unused CD background. She said she doesn't have it as she is currently working on the next book The Battle of Black Fire Pass (Orcs, Dwarfs and Empire)
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Ok a little bit more of an update from the Q&A with Tony Cottrell and Alan Bligh
I asked them directly about the future of Chaos Dwarfs and they said there is nothing planned after the release of the Fireborn, Destroyer and Bull Centaurs
Tony Cottrell then went on to say the the Fireborn will be out at least to pre order towards the end of April. I also asked about the base size of the Bull Centaurs and after much umming and ahing Tony and Alan came to the conclusion that they were on the same base as the Chaos Daemons Juggernaughts. The confusion this question caused was a joy to witness Happy
The pair of them were also very candied about the way FW works, basically there is no long term plan beyond the books currently being worked on (so Black Fire Pass and Minotaurs V Necrons for 40K). They have multiple projects on going in the back ground any one of which could become the next book or fade away to nothing it seems a much more organic process than GW which is why there is apparently random stuff coming out at odd intervals.
DazzaB from Warseer wrote:The book is based on the 3rd battle for blackfire pass, so there is definitely no Sigmar model. I had a good chat with Talima Fox about the story, An Orc Waaagh through Blackfire Pass, With a heavy involvement of Dwarves of course Averland Empire.
Marius Leitdorf is likely to feature though in the story as he's such a great character which Talima agreed also Averland is just a stone's throw away from The Moot, So you never know there could be some Halflings in there too.
She also said as The Empire have such a good range of models, WF are likely to concentrate on large models and new characters, as they did with Tamurkhan.
the whole design team seem to be quite excited about designing stuff for dwarves in particular.
Oh and when talking about the Greenskins she mentioned Night Gobbos, forest Gobbos and of course Orcs
Petay1985 wrote:Mark Bedford said that the two apothecaries pictured will be released as a matched pair. He inferred that the apothecary that would come in the Command Squad kit will be different, but i cannot be sure.
Will Hayes indicated that the storm bolters will only be released with the Tartaros Terminator Set and likewise the bolt pistols would come with the MkIV Assault Marines Kit, it was also suggested that they would be in the Command Squad kit when it comes out - but this depends on what Mark Bedford chooses to include.
Mark Bedford was very specific that the helmets in the command squad would have crests and inferred that the 'roman' influence would be present through the squad.
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I had a conversation with Alan Bligh about using Meso-american influences for a Forge World created Necron Dynasty, Alan was very excited at the prospect, or so it seemed. All in all very exciting, the idea of a stepped pyramids, mass sacrafice etc... were discussed. Alan also talked about wanting to do a super heavy unit in a similar vein to a monolith and a super heavy flyer!! which he seemed to have grand plans for...
With regard to the inclusion of Orks, Alan intimated that they would almost certainly be included.
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Another few bits and pieces: Talking to Darren Parwood regarding the Imperial Avenger; he said that it is very much a ground attack craft designed to elliminate tanks and armour. Thus sitting well in the family of Thunderbolt, Marauder Bomber, Marauder Destroyer... Darren said that he had originally set out to re-design the Lightning, aiming to bring it's aesthetic more in line with the aforementioned list to create a more coherent STC aesthetic, it would not be a replacement for the current model, but an alternative varient. With the Imperial Avenger taking over as something new and exciting he was not sure when he'd be working on the Lightning Varient again, but was optomistic that it'd be sooner rather than later.
EDIT: Darren talked alot about developing the lightning around a single central engine, which sounds pretty cool.
Pics by Minudra over at Warseer:
Colossal Squig from Monstrous Arcanum:
Preyton from Monstrous Arcanum:
Skin Wolf special show only model:
Chaos Dwarf K'daai Fireborn:
SM Tartaros Character Weapon Upgrade first look:
Mk. IV Assault SM:
IA11 diorama:
SM Boarding Assault Upgrade Kit plus Storm Eagle:
Chaos Decimator, from prototype to end product ... plus first glimpse of new Imperial flyer:
Tadaah:
Whatever (Charax found out: Khorne Flake )
fragrock44 wrote:We were told by Mark Bedford that its actually Bran (Flake) Redmaw
Seems to be new: Land Raider Spartan:
Magma Dragon:
Colossal Squig:
Preyton:
Earthbeard wrote:Preyton is likely a similar concept to the peryton, mythological creature which is like a eagle with stag syyle head.
A Space Shark, sadly without "Lasers", photo by Slaaaaaanesh over at Warseer:
It was put up for a while and then hidden again as I went to grab some friends to go see it. Good thing I too pics, there were plenty of please to release the model but they were being a bit cagey about it.
The current models are being done but the designer is not happy with how they look at the moment which is why they were not on display today.
Noooo idea why I can't see the images on Warseer... so I guess I"ll just stick to this here thread
Will there be a Forgeworld seminar? Is this the place that has the forgeworld seminars? Hard for me to recall, living on the other side of the planet... need to hunt down info regarding those seminars o_o
Very much like the Crasus yes, but they also look a bit more practical than the vanilla raider to me too. Great reinvisioning of the old design. They've really got the pre-heresy/sabertooth look down well with these kits. ^^
ME WANTEE
I have no idea what that presumably imperial aircraft is but I want one.
The land raiders look a bit.. off with the huge front but if the rules are good I could defiantly learn to love them.
Fast Skimmer
Four access points
Transports either 20 or 25 models (Terminators and JI count twice)
One hull mounted TLHB One hull mounted Vengeance Launcher (48" / S5 / AP4 / Heavy 2, Large Blast)
Ceramite plating
Deep Strike
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
0-1 of the following:
4* Hellstrike missiles: +40 pts
2* TL lascannon: +60 pts
Any of the following:
Searchlight: +1 pt
Extra armour: +15 pts
FA choice for C:SM, CA, C:SW, C:BT FA choice for Siege Assault Vanguard
HS choice for Tyrant's Legion
Looking at that WIP fighter, I'm wondering what it would look like seen "backwards", with delta gull wings at the back and those canards at the end of a long nose.
Why do I forsee myself spending about £200 on FW in the next few weeks? I can't afford that, but then again, can I afford NOT to have a Land Raider Spartan (complete with built-in Xbox 360 and Halo 4 demo) and a full squad of MkIV assault marines? And Apothecaries! I love Apothecaries! I must has ALL the apothecaries!
And this is what I adore about FW, previews! It just makes them seem more human than big brother GW.
LR spartan, looks pretty scary to me! The sm flyer looks better from other angles, may have to get one after all! The new termies look so cool when put next to the dreads, very cool indeed, need some close up pics of the cc ones though! Imperial bomber has a very unique design, personally I love it, shows a lot of creativity on the designers part.
Can't wait for all this to be released!
Cain
Automatically Appended Next Post: Loving the Khorne flake!
Wow, I had something of a bet with my brother that they would never do a retro Spartan, but they did, and I am surprised! FW is really outdoing itself!
They did a Spartan.. oh snap, and here I am about to head back into Dark Angels.
Well I know what my Deathwing will be using in a few months time. Always loved that thing from way back when it first appeared in White Dwarf as a Land Raider/Rhino conversion.
AlexHolker wrote:Looking at that WIP fighter, I'm wondering what it would look like seen "backwards", with delta gull wings at the back and those canards at the end of a long nose.
Love the idea. Might look a bit too modern though.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:No loving the A10 Avenger, I could work but it looks too high tech and not WWII enough.
First thing that came to my mind is that it looked like a combination of two WWII planes: Messerschmidt ME110 and Corsair F4U
Avenger: Awesome.
Apothecaries: AWESOME.
Fireborn: I can't tell what I'm looking at.
Terminators: Still look silly
LR Spartan: Cool I guess. I wish they would release this hull with standard weapons, as it has an assault ramp.
Magma Dragon: I'm excited.
Storm Eagle: Is starting to look more like a thunderhawk to me. I still don't like the top wing.
Mk. IV assault squad: Rather boring imo. I guess the sanguinary guard backpack is now canon mk4.
Before I'd seen the Apothecaries I wanted them, on the grounds that I have an unhealthy obsession with Apothecaries. Now that I have seen them however...
Just got back myself; the Imperial Avenger is a seriously sweet looking piece of tank smashing aircraft. Darren Parrwood said he's just working on the crew and all being well it will be out in the summer.
They're also working on new realm of battle boards that will be designed around cityfights, but it's early days yet. They'd got one rough WIP prototype layed out with streets, pavements, service ducts etc. Apparently each one will be designed with a plinth to take standard imperial sector buildings.
No warlock titan 'til Eldar are the focus of another IA.
More terrain: Race specific, zone mortalis extensions RoB to zone mortalis transitions, city fight and perhaps trenches.
No plans to revisit Elysians
IA12 is Minotaurs vs Necrons, sector wide conflict with possibly other races and IG involved. Large scale war rather than planetary.
Considerable expansion of the FW Necron range.
Minnotaur shoulder pads, Simon Eagan wants to do helmets, backpacks etc as well.
Some thought of chapter specific contemptors but nothing certain.
Minotaurs to appear in several, unlinked books with some overarching mystery theme.
No more enforfers/arbites.
No primarchs.
No plans for more Badab characters
Well developed ideas for 3-4 more IAs.
Dark Eldar story being revised on account of being too grimdark even for FW.
AdMech may appear in 2-3 books time.
FW really want to do Knight Titans.
zedmeister wrote:"Imperial armour 12: no longer on a prison planet. Instead it will be Minotaurs against Necrons."
What's this, now? I haven't seen anything on either BOLS or Warseer.
Post 32 in the Warseer FW2012 open day thread.
Oh. Now I see why I couldn't find it, the OP doesn't know how to spell anything.
Well there goes all of my interest in FW for the foreseeable future. Good thing they are making more IG airplanes, there's just not enough of them.
Johnny-Crass wrote:Did anyone get a picture of the blackfire pass book?
Probably not, because the wording implies that the sculptor(Edgar Skomorowski) is finishing the K'daai Destroyers before work proceeds on Blackfire Pass.
A nice five-finger-discount from BoLS. SotonShades is doing a QandA session with the FW designers and fielding questions posted on BoLS loungs. Highlights below:
The Warlock Titan. Sorry eldargirl, but they won't be upgrading your beloved Phantom until the next time they do a major Eldar book (I'll explain when that is likely to be in a bit).
You want terrain kits? Blake Spence is working on them. He's the gentleman you can thank for the Zone Mortalis boards. Mostly going to be working on Realm of Battle Boards and more expansions for ZM, but other stand alone pieces are planned. Race specific RoB sections are planned, for most armies in 40k AND Fantasy! Could be a while before we see them though. This will include proper Cityfight terrain, possibly trenches in the future and linking pieces between RoB sections and ZM modules, such as stairs/subway entrances.
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Minotaurs will probably appear in several unlinked books, with an overal unfolding mystery about them. The Tzeentch/penal colony stuff will most likely be IA13 now (possibly with a Fantasy Book inbetween) and will most likely cover a Tzeenchian Cult across several legions and renegade space mainres.
No plans for any further Enforcers/Arbities rekeases. In fact, a point was made that if you see it as a show only model, it is probably because they don't feel it would work as an army. Same goes for Primarch models, but for a slightly different reason.
No plans to release any more models for Badab characters, whichwas why such detailed descriptions were given, to give you chance to convert them.
Next fantasy book is most likely going to be a campaign between Orcs and Goblins and the Emprire.
There are fairly well developed ideas for the next 3 or 4 I story lines. In fact the DE one is having to be rewritten because it is currently too Grim-Dark and bleak for 40k!
Speaking of which, Adeptus Mechanicus MAY appear in the next 2-3 books. Not certain, and probably more as part of a faction than as a force in their own right. They really want to do Knight Titans, but will be a while away yet.
I still have a few more pages of notes to type up, but i need to finish my rapidly cooling chips and collect my painting comp entry in the next few mins. Will carry on when i can
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There are also stirings within the studio for doing Chapter specific Contermptors, similar to their current range of Dreadnoughts. Nothing officially started yet, but it is something various designers said they wanted to work on.
Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.
During the Q&A session, a question was raised regarding some SM chapters getting certain equipment and other not (such as the Thunderfire Cannon). Chaos Marines were also mentioned. Basicly, GW & FW want to keep some disparity between the MEQ lists based on the way they are supposed to play, so not all equipment will go to everyone. This includes chaos not getting a Caestus Assault Ram.
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Yep. I'm afraid there are no plans to revisit them (Elysians) at the moment, or any other IG regiments or previously pulished lists. There are a few kits from previous books in the pipeline, most notably ran Redmaw, but for the most part what is out is out. Apart from whomeveer gets in to IA12. Speaking of which;
IA12 is Minotaur Space Marines Vs Necrons. Focus is on sectorwide conflict rather than specific system/planet, so will incorporate IG and probably other races as well. Looking at a facet of Imperial war we haven't really seen before.
To go with the book expect a BIG expansion of FW's Necron range. I have seen Minotaur shoulder pads. Simon Eagen wants to work on helmets, torsos and backpack bits as well (in fact that is where the 2 Minotaur characteers came from).
Speaking of conversion bits, new style Terminators WILL be getting full set of weapon options, possibly including some more esoteric ideas (graviton gun perhaps?) and Assault Terminator options. Assault Termies were on display in Will Hayes's Case.
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Several people asked about a bulk land pod for the Thunderhawk Transporter. Again, it's another case of "something we'd like to do, but have no plans or concepts for it yet.
For those of you who aren't so pleased with the WDSoB codex... well, FW haven't got that on their radar yet, but really want to do a War of Faith style IA book, with Sister and lots of screaming fanatics. Earliest would be several years down the pipeline though.
Some points were raised about Blakc Library and FW cross-overs. Basic reply was that they love to draw inspiration from each other, but neither party wants to do any tie-ins because it screws with their creative freedom. Specifically, can you imagine how a BL author would feel if one of his favourite characters to write had a bullet put in the back of his head by a FW writer?
THERE WILL BE MORE MODELLING MASTERCLASS VOLUMES!
Hopefully they will be putting a new one out every year or year and a half. Most likely the next one will be a Fantasy release. That said, it was doubtful they would be releasing and more hobby supplies such as their weathering powders any time soon.
Despite the release of so many older marks of armour and relic style vehicles/weaspon, FW will not be doing any pre/heresy stuff any time soon. To do a book would essentially mean SM vs SM, and would be such a big project it would be very very difficult to manage around doing other releases. They also don't feel it would work too well along the lines of the game set in the 41st millenium, so wouldnt work with/against 41st millennium codicies. Afterall, the great crusade was humanity expanding across the whole galaxy in a few hundred years, wipining out all but a handful of sentient xenos races.
FW also apologised for dropping a lot of their older scenery kits recently, particularly the old trench system. Basically comes down to not being able to constantly stock enough, with terrain beaing some of the worst selling stuff and too expensive to manufacture for what they can reasonably expect to sell it at. The old foam bits were also too damagable. Hopefully the new hollow terrain casting methods will mean they can stock and create a much greater variety (as I've already mentioned.)
FW want to convert more of the deamon engines and superheavies from epic in to 40k sclae. however, simply blowing up the old models is not a realistic option, so they would need to be completely redesigned, probably keeping little more than the original name. they also pointed out that scale ratios in epic do not work in 40k. mostly, especially on tall models such as titans, they are too short! And the taller the model, the worse this difference is (so my warlord at 40+ inches isnt too far off what they should be)
The FW design team want to keep IG using tracked vehicles, grinding forwards, rather than wheels like trrop trucks or bikes. Don't expect to see too many exceptions like the tauros for the elysians. They will only do it where it makes sense for a regiemtn in their books.
FW won't be doing any Fellblades for the Space Marines. They dont feel it fits with 40k since the reorganisation of the Legions to chapters. There was however talk of doing weapons packs, such as 10 combi-meltas for example only, that would be popular. Similar to the Chapterhouse kits. No firm confirmation on this though.
As they've pointed out before, FW have very few links with the main design studio, so theyk now nothing of 6th Ed and how their stuff will integrate. As far as FW are concerned, anything stamped with the 40k approved logo is balanced enough for regular games, but always ask your opponant (no reason to say no, but...) They haven't even had a chance to get a hold of the new paints yet (so I had to tell Phil what they were like!) Similarly, there is no connection between the FW Demigryphs and the new empirs plastics as far as the FW team are aware.
FW are happy with the rate at which they put out books. They want to cover all the race before they cover any again (though expect Imperials to be in all books, quite possibly mostly Minotaurs for the next few), so we are now expecting Necrons in IA12, Tzeentch later (prob IA13) then DE and Slaanesh before anyone else gets re-done. Necrons are in very early concept phase, so will be a while before we get out hand on them, but there are all ready plans afoot for a BIG kit for Orks when they come round again. They will almost certainly get either a Bomma or a Gargant. Quite possibly both.
The Avenger is cool for the role it plays as a tank killer, but I still think the Thunderbolt looks much cooler as a IG flyer.
The Warhammer stuff i can't really comment on, as I couldn't make too much out.
The Spartan looks like something created with the old VDR rules, where people took things far too much to the comical extreme, like putting four heavy bolters on a landspeeder, or a six-barreled dark lance on a DE skimmer. You might as well put a thudd-gun or a thunderfire cannon in each sponson.
The Raven still looks kind of awkward with the too-far back wings, but I like it better after seeing more photos in different perspectives than the Salamanders one. My time away from the game must show, though, because seeing it's all it's rules versus it's points makes me shake my head.
I used to make flyers with the old VDR rules that were less powerful than this thing but more expensive, and people used to call vehicles with those rules undercosted.
Sad that I will have to wait so long for a DE book, but HIGHLY amused that someone really got into the fiction for DE so much that FW started getting squeamish. That pleases me greatly. Bwa ha ha.
Well, I said in the Newsletter thread with the show-only models in I'd try to get a couple of pics of the models after the show. Unfortunately, due to a logistical issue meaning they were massively short on the Skin Wolf (I was told by a staff member when I joined the queue at 10:45am that they'd only had 25 Skin Wolves, but the FW staff member disagreed with that number, though agreed that they'd massively underestimated the likely demand), I can't supply any further pictures until my one gets here.
In the mean time, though, here are a couple of shots of the Enforcer & Cyberpuppy:
I particularly like the detail on the spine of the Cyberpuppy.
I think you've had pictures of the new things I saw, so I won't bother posting them.
Fast Skimmer
Four access points
Transports either 20 or 25 models (Terminators and JI count twice)
One hull mounted TLHB One hull mounted Vengeance Launcher (48" / S5 / AP4 / Heavy 2, Large Blast)
Ceramite plating
Deep Strike
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
0-1 of the following:
4* Hellstrike missiles: +40 pts
2* TL lascannon: +60 pts
Any of the following:
Searchlight: +1 pt
Extra armour: +15 pts
FA choice for C:SM, C: DA, C:SW, C:BT FA choice for Siege Assault Vanguard
HS choice for Tyrant's Legion
Why am I not surprised that Chaos wasn't on that list?
zedmeister wrote:
During the Q&A session, a question was raised regarding some SM chapters getting certain equipment and other not (such as the Thunderfire Cannon). Chaos Marines were also mentioned. Basicly, GW & FW want to keep some disparity between the MEQ lists based on the way they are supposed to play, so not all equipment will go to everyone. This includes chaos not getting a Caestus Assault Ram.
Or, you know...3/4ths of the stuff Space Marines get. Did anyone bother asking them WHY the Chaos stuff is so overcosted? Our stuff WOULD be nice if it wasn't "ALMOST as good as loyalists but for more points"...
The flyer is really cool and I want 40, but no Chaos or Tau at all...makes me sad.
zedmeister wrote:Further updates snaffled from Warseer:
No primarchs.
Well developed ideas for 3-4 more IAs.
Dark Eldar story being revised on account of being too grimdark even for FW.
AdMech may appear in 2-3 books time.
FW really want to do Knight Titans.
YES!, yes, damn, yes and yes.
I love FW these days, much better behaviour all-round than GWIMHO.
The rate at which they produce new stuff is very impressive too.
I was talking to a couple of the design team today with regards to the Necrons, apparently they are currently working on some small constructs atm which are referenced as dragonfly like with segmented bodies, 4-5 to a base, with regards to ia 12 they are planning on releasing a titan like model undecided on war machine or construct, something to tie in with tomb stalker but spyder sized, possible upgrade sprues for crypteks/ overlords including possible alternate heads with different styles of death mask, the ia12 will be an entirely new dynasty with very different fluff and a couple named characters possible c'tan shard and they are planning on doing something between tomb stalker/ titan size, possibly a flyer, no plans on doing anything with regards to troops or anything like that, only characters as troops and infantry they believe there is no need to do anything with
zedmeister wrote:Further updates snaffled from Warseer:
No primarchs.
No plans for more Badab characters
Well developed ideas for 3-4 more IAs.
Dark Eldar story being revised on account of being too grimdark even for FW.
AdMech may appear in 2-3 books time.
FW really want to do Knight Titans.
bad, even worse, good, very bad, doubt it will happen so bad, good
Loving all the marine bits. The left Apothecary is a MUST have for me. The stuff on the Minotaurs is sooooon good for me, my chapter uses the symbol but them wanting to do shoulders is preety stupid, they already have shoulders done for both marine and termie, but the heads, backpacks and torsos SOUNDS GREAT!!!!! Also can't wait for IA:12 if those things said are true.
Love love love the new Imperial Navy Attack flyer. Hoping that the rumors come true for plastic Thunderbolts so I could run a squadron of T-Bolts escorting one or two of those flyers...
And the Jet Shark is fantastic. I'd been wondering for a long time how I could run the Space Sharks as Space Wolves with Thunderwolves. If only that weren't a joke, then I could actually do it!
Johnny-Crass wrote:Did anyone get a picture of the blackfire pass book?
Probably not, because the wording implies that the sculptor(Edgar Skomorowski) is finishing the K'daai Destroyers before work proceeds on Blackfire Pass.
Johnny-Crass wrote:Did anyone get a picture of the blackfire pass book?
Probably not, because the wording implies that the sculptor(Edgar Skomorowski) is finishing the K'daai Destroyers before work proceeds on Blackfire Pass.
Steve Whitehead is doing the Destroyer
So be it then!
The post from the beginning is worded as such that it makes it seem that Edgar was doing the sculptwork on the Destroyers.
Kanluwen wrote:If you look at the mock-up, it's two in a back-to-back setup like the Snowspeeder from The Empire Strikes Back.
Indeed - IIRC, the sculptor mentioned in passing that there was going to be a rear gun added before it is completed.
YES! I don't know why but I just wanted it as a two seater.
but if they're back to back:
warger: tow cables +75pts
If the Avenger can fly an uniterupted circle around and enemy super heavy walker, it may use tow cables, on a 4+ the enemy walker fall over if it moves after this attack, suffering d3 destroyer hits in the process.
I spoke to one of the sculptors, who commented the Blackfire Pass would have Empire, Dwarf and Orc & Goblin stuff in it - a relief for me, given the lack of obvious Dwarf content in Monstrous Arcana.
When I flicked through the art pamphlet with the Blackfire Pass cover, one piece of art that stuck out was a Dwarf Zeppelin. There was also a range of empire art, and a couple of O&G pieces.
One of the digital artists was working on a Night Goblin Fanatic piece, and I think the other was working on a River Troll.
The FW (as opposed to Warhammer Forge) digital artists were working on a technical drawing of a Deimos-chassis Rhino (I think - certainly that chassis, but I didn't see a plate over the top hatch), and there was a SM and Contemptor being coloured in Minotaur colours, presumably for IA 12.
Kanluwen wrote:If you look at the mock-up, it's two in a back-to-back setup like the Snowspeeder from The Empire Strikes Back.
Indeed - IIRC, the sculptor mentioned in passing that there was going to be a rear gun added before it is completed.
YES! I don't know why but I just wanted it as a two seater.
but if they're back to back:
warger: tow cables +75pts
If the Avenger can fly an uniterupted circle around and enemy super heavy walker, it may use tow cables, on a 4+ the enemy walker fall over if it moves after this attack, suffering d3 destroyer hits in the process.
Don't laugh, but I've been already considering Rogue Squadron colors for my Valkyries and I've got a great piece of color art from "The Phantom Affair" comic where it had Rebel SpecOps groundpounders showcased for my Guard.
Johnny-Crass wrote:It is going be a Warlord for their Epic range... And I am going to die laughing
Mate.....It was Tony Cottrell who said it....(and that was in an open Q&A - so I wasnt the only one to hear it) - he said they do a titan every other year and it will be late next year earliest when we see one.
He seemed open and genuine and I believe he is a top by at Forgeworld......he said they really wanted to do one
MajorTom11 wrote:
PPS no interest in MK8??? Are you mad??? I have been waiting for that for ages!!! We should start a petition I think....
Tom, the way it reads to me at least is that FW's sculptors have no real interest in doing Mark 8's stuff, not that they believe there is no interest in it.
Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.
Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.
Lol Kan... contradictory to the last!
There are also stirings within the studio for doing Chapter specific Contermptors, similar to their current range of Dreadnoughts. Nothing officially started yet, but it is something various designers said they wanted to work on.
Similar story for Iron Hands but less so. As for Mk VIII armour, the Errent pattern... No real interest I'm afraid. Maybe if their is enough demand for it, but designers are doubtful it would be different enough from the plastic kits to be worth doing.
That's kind of what I based my statement on Tom. When you put it into context like that, it reads far more in line with FW's stance on things.
What's this Iron Hands thing that they are alluding to?
I'm assuming they are meaning to say they'd like to do something, but probably aren't going to.
FWIW: FW get on the Mk. 8, the people demand it.
To make it a tad more unique, I think it would work if they included the gorget, but angled the rest of the armour in a kind of square shape like the DC torso. (one the legs, knees, arms, etc.)
Ah ok, I guess it could be taken both ways. The key point I would think though is the 'if there is enough demand for it' part... time to start a grass roots campaign!
Only if you join my grass roots campaign for a "Black Crusade" Imperial Armour volume! I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything there Tom, y'know that. It's why I went back and edited to make it clear it was my opinion!
MoD:
The "Iron Hands thing" is the FW rep speaking, saying that the designers want to do something related to the Iron Hands.
Most of FW's projects are done by the designers as a "This would be cool!" idea, rather than "Dave! Do this! Dave do that!".
Kanluwen wrote:Only if you join my grass roots campaign for a "Black Crusade" Imperial Armour volume! I wasn't trying to pick a fight or anything there Tom, y'know that. It's why I went back and edited to make it clear it was my opinion!
MoD:
The "Iron Hands thing" is the FW rep speaking, saying that the designers want to do something related to the Iron Hands.
Most of FW's projects are done by the designers as a "This would be cool!" idea, rather than "Dave! Do this! Dave do that!".
I think if they believe the Mk8 isn't interesting enough, they're looking too much at how GW's studio staff has portrayed them with Grey Knights and Sgts. as opposed to Jes Goodwyn's original concept art:
Beside the standard armor on the torso and the neck guard:
-armor over the exhaust vents on the backpack
-a seemingly different slope to the shoulder pad
-the helmet has protection for the earpieces
-That isn't a powerfist, thats just how the arms are armored
-pointed teardrop knee pads
-a seemingly more armored yet flexible looking ankle servo
Awesome that DE are getting some love now and that they have designers actually wanting to work on them. Its no surprise their test results don't mesh with real world experience though, I've always thought their game testers take a less serious approach to list building then the mathhammer tuned lists seen here.
Dysartes wrote:@ FM Ninja - That looks like a modern render of the original Warlords from Adeptus Titanicus. The Beetleback design, I believe they're known as.
A bit like this one (taken randomly from a Google image search):
The Beetlebacks are the Mars pattern. The Epic Warlord currently available is Lucius Pattern. The Epic range is really strange. They have Mars pattern Reavers and Warhounds, but Lucius pattern Warlords. You have to go to FW if you want Lucius pattern Warhounds, and there's currently no Lucius pattern Reavers. (wonders if there is a Lucius Reaver in the fluff???)
Mk.XVI ‘Damocles’ Armour, in use by the Ultramarines after the Dornian Heresy.
Dornian? when did that happen?
It's an alternate 'history' of the 40K history, where the legions loyal in the official universe rebelled (under Dorn) and those now heretic are the loyalists.
it's a fun story, but in NO way official.
edit: here, as on B&C:
This premier issue is devoted to chronicling something a little different; a twisted alternate timeline in which Warmaster Horus was able to cast off the daemonic influences that sought to possess him, and where the Ruinous Powers were instead forced to corrupt Rogal Dorn to overthrow the Emperor. The Dornian Heresy is the tale of an alternate universe where choices, sometimes large, sometimes small, have led to the familiar primarchs and legions meeting very different fates. For instance, how different might things have turned out if Sanguinius had instead been found and raised by the mutant tribes of Baal, or if Angron's first meeting with the Emperor had been as an honourable ally against the slavers at Fedan Mhor?
Well I was a bit foolish and bought an Enforcer on ebay today. I plan on ordering a few at Adepticon, but at least now I don't have to stand in line for a few hours just to make sure I get one that weekend. A few hours freed up at Adepticon is worth the crazy markup IMO.
inquisitorlewis wrote:Well I was a bit foolish and bought an Enforcer on ebay today. I plan on ordering a few at Adepticon, but at least now I don't have to stand in line for a few hours just to make sure I get one that weekend. A few hours freed up at Adepticon is worth the crazy markup IMO.
inquisitorlewis wrote:Well I was a bit foolish and bought an Enforcer on ebay today. I plan on ordering a few at Adepticon, but at least now I don't have to stand in line for a few hours just to make sure I get one that weekend. A few hours freed up at Adepticon is worth the crazy markup IMO.
You didn't spring for the VIP pass?
Nah. Another foolish move. Honestly I didn't expect to want the LE model this year. Between my gf and I we bought 2 of each last year, and I ordered around 10 more. I have none of those left. I had just planned on doing an order sometime throughout the weekend and just waiting for them to ship them out. Then I saw the awesomeness that is the Enforcer model and...
I love when FW or even GW goes outside the norm. This Enforcer goes way outside IMO. I just couldn't wait. The markup I paid was about the price of the VIP ticket so it should all balance out in the end.
I’m with ph34r here. They don’t look like Retribution ‘Jacks at all to me. The first one especially looks like a modern retake of the old Space Crusade Chaos Dread, with some Brass Scorpion style layered armour.
The right one is the one I said looks like Scyrah aesthetics / style. Challenge: find me a faction in warhammer that suits that shape , style aesthetics better than Retribution of Scyrah
H.B.M.C. wrote:I’m with ph34r here. They don’t look like Retribution ‘Jacks at all to me. The first one especially looks like a modern retake of the old Space Crusade Chaos Dread, with some Brass Scorpion style layered armour.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I’m with ph34r here. They don’t look like Retribution ‘Jacks at all to me. The first one especially looks like a modern retake of the old Space Crusade Chaos Dread, with some Brass Scorpion style layered armour.
And I'm hoping the only reason why that concept wasn't used is because the plastic Chaos dreadnaught (when/if it ever comes) will be based off that design instead, lol.
The right one is the one I said looks like Scyrah aesthetics / style. Challenge: find me a faction in warhammer that suits that shape , style aesthetics better than Retribution of Scyrah
H.B.M.C. wrote:I’m with ph34r here. They don’t look like Retribution ‘Jacks at all to me. The first one especially looks like a modern retake of the old Space Crusade Chaos Dread, with some Brass Scorpion style layered armour.
Ohh... its April 1st I get it.
As for your link, I have no idea what that is AND it looks nothing like the concepts.
As for your challenge... lol? The faction that suits the shape style and aethetics of the concepts is... dun dun dun.... chaos? Have you seen the Reaver, Blood Slaughterer, Brass Scorpion, old Dreadnought..? If the retribution of scryah look like anything, it's space elves.
The right one is the one I said looks like Scyrah aesthetics / style. Challenge: find me a faction in warhammer that suits that shape , style aesthetics better than Retribution of Scyrah
H.B.M.C. wrote:I’m with ph34r here. They don’t look like Retribution ‘Jacks at all to me. The first one especially looks like a modern retake of the old Space Crusade Chaos Dread, with some Brass Scorpion style layered armour.
Ohh... its April 1st I get it.
As for your link, I have no idea what that is AND it looks nothing like the concepts.
As for your challenge... lol? The faction that suits the shape style and aethetics of the concepts is... dun dun dun.... chaos? Have you seen the Reaver, Blood Slaughterer, Brass Scorpion, old Dreadnought..? If the retribution of scryah look like anything, it's space elves.
If you plug that picture in GW Chaos army, vs Scyrah army, you would still think it fits Chaos more?
Father Gabe wrote:Please tell me that the Stormeagle is not some april fools thing. Yes I realize a newsletter was released but...you never know.
No. It is not. They had a limited quantity of them for sale at Open Day, had them on display at Open Day, etc.
Whew. Was a bit worried there. Looks kinda nice, probably get one (or wait and see if GW makes plastic version) to go along with my cestus assault rams.
I agree that they right one looks a little more fitting with Scyrah than chaos. But it is a concept picture, I'm sure the spikes and skulls will make it look a little less so.
Added some better pics and info on Warhammer Forge, including better pics of the K'adaai Fireborn, at the end of the post.
Also added a nice detailed report on 40k. Text quotes are ordered chronologically. Also the pics from each photographer.
The Mk III Marine made me wonder for a moment, but it's just last year's event-only boarding Captain with his head posed looking right rather than left.
Ehsteve wrote:That's FW's last year (2011) event only model for 40k: The MkIII Boarding Marine (with TH/SS)
You sure? Wasn't he facing the other way and in a completely different pose? Granted, I haven't built mine yet, so I haven't explored what possibilities that model may have, but it does look different to me.
I hope they release a Tartaros CC squad as well as the character upgrade pack shown in the pics, as that's what I want to go with my Mk IV Salamanders - If it has 4 TH and 1 LC, so much the better
Slinky wrote:I hope they release a Tartaros CC squad as well as the character upgrade pack shown in the pics, as that's what I want to go with my Mk IV Salamanders - If it has 4 TH and 1 LC, so much the better
Will Hayes was certainly talking about it - the character set wouldn't include the bodies, just the additional parts, and it isn't like they don't know have the appropriate LC and TH/SS arms designed, so it does make sense.
Kanluwen wrote:Is the character set going to include the combiplasma and lightning claws?
From what we have seen of the models, and no announced CC kit yet, it looks like the Character set will be THSS, TLLC, Power Mace/Maul, Combi-plasma, Combi-melta, and maybe a few other things. Heads? Combi-Flamer?
Kanluwen wrote:Is the character set going to include the combiplasma and lightning claws?
From what we have seen of the models, and no announced CC kit yet, it looks like the Character set will be THSS, TLLC, Power Mace/Maul, Combi-plasma, Combi-melta, and maybe a few other things. Heads? Combi-Flamer?
One of the Tartaros terminators (behind Mr Claws, to the right of Mr Power Maul) is holding what appears to be an axe, which I'm presume will also come with the character pack.
I don't think that is the model from last year. I don't think last years model had that crest.
What didn't I comprehend about that statement?
So, what you're saying is you weren't actually adding anything to the exchange at all?
Happygrunt said he didn't think that last year's model had that crest.
I then showed a picture of the model in question proving it did.
You then for some reason posted an auction of that SAME MODEL whilst quoting the picture, meaning you either didn't get what I was doing or that you were clarifying what was clearly obvious.
Just trying to understand why you felt the need to post what you did whilst quoting mine.
It's not going to be out for awhile yet, most likely Slaan. Forge World commented that the stuff they had for sale only at Open Day in a small quantity "takes us all the way to May".
The Open Day showcases models which aren't fully ready for a variety of reasons: ranging the gamut from they're still working out prices to the models being shown are just the first production run and they still have a lot more to cast to create an adequate stock level for sales.
VaUgHaNy86 wrote:I was talking to a couple of the design team today with regards to the Necrons, apparently they are currently working on some small constructs atm which are referenced as dragonfly like with segmented bodies, 4-5 to a base, with regards to ia 12 they are planning on releasing a titan like model undecided on war machine or construct, something to tie in with tomb stalker but spyder sized, possible upgrade sprues for crypteks/ overlords including possible alternate heads with different styles of death mask, the ia12 will be an entirely new dynasty with very different fluff and a couple named characters possible c'tan shard and they are planning on doing something between tomb stalker/ titan size, possibly a flyer, no plans on doing anything with regards to troops or anything like that, only characters as troops and infantry they believe there is no need to do anything with
This sounds great!
However, I wish I was there to give this feedback;
Don't bother. Why was the tombstalker not in the new dex?
(don't give me some marketing insanity either).
FW makes some great models hampered by bad business decisions on GW's part.
Please support those who have supported you.
What good are models we can not play with?
(yes, I know, "just ask your opponent..." thats not the same as being in a codex...not by a million light years).
Not to be rude, but why would the Tomb Stalker have been in the new Codex?
Models being in the codex with options only available from FW have become a fluke, not the standard. The only current one coming to mind is the "Vendetta", and let's face it: that's so mind-numbingly easy to convert that it is not even really worth mentioning.
Kanluwen wrote:Not to be rude, but why would the Tomb Stalker have been in the new Codex?
Models being in the codex with options only available from FW have become a fluke, not the standard. The only current one coming to mind is the "Vendetta", and let's face it: that's so mind-numbingly easy to convert that it is not even really worth mentioning.
I do not see your question as rude at all sir, however honestly why the heck am I the only one pissed about this?
Its the concept that we spend money on these products, and it would be nice to use them as much as possible, and while yes, there is the whole new "apoc only" and "warhammer 40k" branding going on in the newer books, facts are not everyone knows about FW, and even worse almost no organized play (note, I did not specific competitive play - just organized events) supports forgeworld models (astronomicon being one of the few exceptions).
I am not debating the past on if it were a "fluke' or a "standard", I am stating that it SHOULD be a standard.
Many of the special characters can often be proxied as codex minis or at times are close enough to a "real" model that we can use them in any games we like - but many things...they just don't get as much play. Can I show up on any given random night and use my $100 model? How many games a year can I play it in, realistically ? 20% of them? 50%? Some players are either unfamiliar with FW, or have a bias against them "isn't that one of those OPFW models?".
I can sometimes get it if its a superheavy/apoc only model - thats fine - but why oh why not put a standard unit (i.e. standard FOC choice) in a codex?
We pay good money for these models; yes, they are more expensive - I am fine with that - we have access to more exciting and creative products - that is an acceptable trade off. However, we buy these models to PLAY with them. Get a clue GW, let us use these expensive toys we are transferring our gold into your coffers for; is that too much to ask?
We paid for your models, we paid for your codex, now for the love of the ctan support those who have supported you.
Honestly, FW rules could have a great big old pop-up holographic recording from the Design Studio staff saying that "These rules are perfectly acceptable for 40k play, you cannot protest!"--and people still would protest.
They have a stigma to them, mainly being that not everyone has had an opportunity to see the rules. The best way to combat this?
Have the book with you. Use it as your fire, and consider yourself Prometheus gifting the knowledge of awesome things to mortals.
This lack of immediate knowledge/access is a big part of why most organized events do not allow FW units. Organizers aren't necessarily familiar with the rules, nor might they have an easily accessible copy to refer to in case of debates.
I use a simple standard... anyone who won't let me use FW, I wouldn't want to play with them anyway. I believe its GW and FW intention that once players are sufficiently veteran in playing 40k, there shouldn't be any exception to using FW units.
I think its the responsiblity of anyone who wants to use FW models in their average game to always bring the books with you when you play even when you're not planning on using units from those books. That way people can familiarize themselves with the rules and realize 99% of the time, the rules are fair or over priced, and not "instant wins" from the days of FW's association of bringing super heavies into average games.
davethepak wrote: Many of the special characters can often be proxied as codex minis or at times are close enough to a "real" model that we can use them in any games we like - but many things...they just don't get as much play. Can I show up on any given random night and use my $100 model? How many games a year can I play it in, realistically ? 20% of them? 50%? Some players are either unfamiliar with FW, or have a bias against them "isn't that one of those OPFW models?". I can sometimes get it if its a superheavy/apoc only model - thats fine - but why oh why not put a standard unit (i.e. standard FOC choice) in a codex?
To be fair, this seems more a problem with certain groups than with FW itself.
My group "allows"(rather, doesn't disallow or force people to ask permission) FW as long as you have the rules on hand(we have the same rule for anything in a Codex, BTW). So we get to use them in 100% of our games we play on the increasingly rare occasions we play GW games. We feel if it's a GW products with GW rules(note, I did NOT say GW studio rules) it's fine to play with, especially since FW is no less balanced than anything that the studio puts into the Codecii themselves. As for being unfamiliar, members of our group have a hard enough time being familiar with their OWN book(our IG player barely remembers the RULES much less what other peoples armies can do) for being unfamiliar with FW to really matter.
The same arrangement existed with the store I played in in Baton Rouge with the main difference being most of us were familiar with the FW rules due to having multiple copies of each book floating around to peruse on nights we played. Just like any of the Codecii, if you didn't know what something did, it's cause you didn't take the time to look. The books were available to you.
Y'know I'm still waiting for GW to clarify their situation with FW lately. Nowadays every army that they post for 40k done in house has FW models in it, and now in IA apocalypse volume 2 there is a specific notation for which models are intended for 40k and which are for apocalypse.
These issues have led most tournament holders in the Fayetteville / Raleigh area of North Carolina to feel that now a tourny must specificaly state whether or not forge world products are permitted.
I would love for GW to simply come out and say that unless otherwise stated, forge world products are fully legal. It seems atleast that's the direction that they're going.
Honestly I don't think I know any players who'd refuse to allow non apoc forgeworld units in a regular game in my area. Except for when the community is gearing up for a major tourny that is.
Back to the show pieces. Still really ugh over the new termies, they just don't look right to me, in either anatomy (and yeah even for how bad GW usually is) or in style. I still want my Cataphracts or other pre heresy terminator armor. The thunder hammer looks like a long handled mallet, can't quite get a good look at the shield, but then again it's pretty hard to do a shield wrong. Lightning claws look like the old 3rd ed metal terminator LC.
I don't even play fantasy and I want a colossal squig.
Love the fact that they confirmed that the single engine is the mk 4 jump pack though deep down I still enjoy the current one. Poses for the mk 4 assault marines are kinda meh.
Mk 3 and 4 apothecaries are awesome, can't wait to place my order.
Storm Eagle is awesome, though I'd say a tad bit overpriced compared to stormraven points wise. Also would rather a full resin kit not a mix & match.
Land raider spartan is a wierd place for me, the more classic designs are starting to grow on me but I'd rather stick with the mk 2 b land raider. Also I really want FW to redo the up armored land raider kit, the one's they're shipping now need new molds, really don't fit well.
Dissapointed that chaos was pushed back a volume, happy that necrons are finally getting some love (and I don't even play either).
New IG flier looks like a combo of some wierd WW2 german designs and a Corsair. I never liked most german designs from that era. Just an aesthetic thing though, nicely done still.
Nice to hear that there will be more zone mortalis terrain, though I still think that it's overpriced for what it is and how big each piece is. and I meah overpriced even for forgeworld.
All in all, happy, sad, wondering where's my pre heresy terminators and WHERE ARE MY ORKS?! IA 8 was originally supposed to be the first of a two part set, we only got half the ork clans in IA 8, where's my blood axes?
I agree with some here, I would love to see a slightly more elaborate mk 8 armor set as well.
Let's have a more general look at Forge World Open Day:
1.) No charge (AFAIK)
2.) Lots of new stuff and announcements.
3.) Designers freely talking about current and future projects, some more than half a year in advance.
4.) Nice diorama.
5.) You could buy FW (and old GW) stuff (some people like standing in queues )
6.) Haven't found a negative comment on the event yet (other than some things were sold out too fast).
Now compare that to a GW Games Day Thanks to Forge World for staying in touch with what gamers want!
Kroothawk wrote:Thanks to Forge World for staying in touch with what gamers want!
for the most part but they really should update the rapier laser battery and lose the twin linked and make it heavy 4 like it was back in second ED
Eh?
From my recollection in 2nd edition rules were:
Range - 0"-60" Strength 9 Save Mod -6 Damage 2D10 Armour Penetration d6+2d10+9 Mounted on an armoured carriage that was operated by two crewmen or one servitor that moved a max of 4" a turn. Single shot only with no sustained fire.
I think the new rules are on par though FW seem to have two different rules for the Rapier - which one is correct? The IG rules are superior to the SM rules.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:for the most part but they really should update the rapier laser battery and lose the twin linked and make it heavy 4 like it was back in second ED
zedmeister wrote:I think the new rules are on par though FW seem to have two different rules for the Rapier - which one is correct? The IG rules are superior to the SM rules.
Kroothawk... its good to know the old spirit of GW still lives on somewhere. FW!!!
I don't see the difference between the two sets of rules beyond the IG and SM crews. I agree though that the rules do represent the rapier with laser destroyer well.
Also two points...
1) Anyone else notice that they wrote it "Rapier Carrier with Laser Destroyer" as oposed to "Rapier Laser Destroyer"... I don't know about you but that seems like implication that they're atleast thinking about other weapons to mount on the rapier.
2) How can anyone hate the Spartan? Besides the opportunity to graffiti "This IS SPARTA-N!" on the tank... its a land raider with TWO Laser Destroyers on it... Deathwing armies I think will be very interested in a fluffy way to deal with swarms,
Kroothawk wrote:Thanks to Forge World for staying in touch with what gamers want!
for the most part but they really should update the rapier laser battery and lose the twin linked and make it heavy 4 like it was back in second ED
Eh?
From my recollection in 2nd edition rules were:
Range - 0"-60"
Strength 9
Save Mod -6
Damage 2D10
Armour Penetration d6+2d10+9
Mounted on an armoured carriage that was operated by two crewmen or one servitor that moved a max of 4" a turn. Single shot only with no sustained fire.
I think the new rules are on par though FW seem to have two different rules for the Rapier - which one is correct? The IG rules are superior to the SM rules.
sorta, but it was actually:
short range 0-18 long range 18 - 72 to hit short +1 strength 9 damage 2D10 save modifier -6
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
sorta, but it was actually:
short range 0-18 long range 18 - 72 to hit short +1 strength 9 damage 2D10 save modifier -6
Ha, not far off at least
Kroothawk wrote:
I think you missed the point of my post
No, I got it. I'm chuffed with FW - they are the veteran side "Porsche" compared to the more mass market "Ford Mondeo" GW main. I've bought lots of 40K/BFG/AI/Epic FW recently and plan to buy more. Consequently, the only stuff I seem to buy from GW main is more SG stuff and the occasional rulebook (though occasional means once every few years).
I look forward to the next Land Raider variant which has twin-linked Thunderfire Cannon sponsons and has a hull mounted Reaver Titan.
Those Fat Boy pattern terminators are not improved with alternate weapons, with the exception of the lightning claw one, which looks nearly acceptable. The Mk4 assault marines or whatever look very uninspired, just more of the same old, same old.
I'd buy the Space shark if they released it.
I can't wait to buy that Avenger, even though I'm pretty sure it's a fairly large and hence very expensive model.
I kind of wish I hadn't read about IA12 being Necrons. Not because I'm not excited about it (I am) but it's sort of like someone saying hey, Christmas is moved up this year, and you ask oh yeah, to when? And they're like, can't tell you. But probably soon.
The anticipation is palpable, I guess is what I'm saying. I'm palping it as we speak.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I really wish they'd release a Jes Goodwin art book, looking at that Mk 8 reference image.
Ouze wrote:
Also, I really wish they'd release a Jes Goodwin art book, looking at that Mk 8 reference image.
They did one back in 2001 called "The Gothic and the Eldritch" it goes for $200 on Amazon. I got one 2-3 years ago for about $50. It had little bits on the different power armor and Chaos legions.
Kroothawk wrote:
Now compare that to a GW Games Day Thanks to Forge World for staying in touch with what gamers want!
Ain't that the truth Went to the 2010 UK Games Day for the first time in over 5 years & resolved to go never again.
Ouze wrote:I look forward to the next Land Raider variant which has twin-linked Thunderfire Cannon sponsons and has a hull mounted Reaver Titan.
LOL
Forge World strike me as how GW used to be before the accountants took over - creating models & rules for gamers / collectors / painters rather than rule sets to sell the latest underpointed oober powered unit in the latest AB / codex that was released.
Ok, not everyone can afford FW (or like me, could do the models justice in painting their hearts desire titan / greater daemon), but that holds true to most (if not all) past time pursuits.
aka_mythos wrote:Also two points...
1) Anyone else notice that they wrote it "Rapier Carrier with Laser Destroyer" as oposed to "Rapier Laser Destroyer"... I don't know about you but that seems like implication that they're atleast thinking about other weapons to mount on the rapier.
The Rapier originally carried Multi-Lasers, so it's possible they will attach other things to it.
aka_mythos wrote:2) How can anyone hate the Spartan? Besides the opportunity to graffiti "This IS SPARTA-N!" on the tank... its a land raider with TWO Laser Destroyers on it... Deathwing armies I think will be very interested in a fluffy way to deal with swarms,
aka_mythos wrote:Also two points...
1) Anyone else notice that they wrote it "Rapier Carrier with Laser Destroyer" as oposed to "Rapier Laser Destroyer"... I don't know about you but that seems like implication that they're atleast thinking about other weapons to mount on the rapier.
The Rapier originally carried Multi-Lasers, so it's possible they will attach other things to it.
A gun-carriage festooned with multi-lasers, you say? Could it be possible that He Who Shall Not Be Named has swung a job a Forge World?
aka_mythos wrote:Also two points...
1) Anyone else notice that they wrote it "Rapier Carrier with Laser Destroyer" as oposed to "Rapier Laser Destroyer"... I don't know about you but that seems like implication that they're atleast thinking about other weapons to mount on the rapier.
The Rapier originally carried Multi-Lasers, so it's possible they will attach other things to it.
A gun-carriage festooned with multi-lasers, you say? Could it be possible that He Who Shall Not Be Named has swung a job a Forge World?
Nope. Like H.B.M.C. said, the Rapier originally(as in: before HWSNBN even dreamed of MULTI-LAZORZ!) carried multi-lasers.
aka_mythos wrote:Also two points... 1) Anyone else notice that they wrote it "Rapier Carrier with Laser Destroyer" as oposed to "Rapier Laser Destroyer"... I don't know about you but that seems like implication that they're atleast thinking about other weapons to mount on the rapier.
The Rapier originally carried Multi-Lasers, so it's possible they will attach other things to it.
A gun-carriage festooned with multi-lasers, you say? Could it be possible that He Who Shall Not Be Named has swung a job a Forge World?
Nope. Like H.B.M.C. said, the Rapier originally(as in: before HWSNBN even dreamed of MULTI-LAZORZ!) carried multi-lasers.
Oh I know, I know, but it seemed to have been such a long time since He and His multi-multi-multi lazors had come up, I though a cheap laugh would pass the time while we all wait for those fabulous Apothecaries to be released.
Speak not his name, for then you give him Power. Like some eternal beast, he will be awoken from his slumber and when he has...
The world, as we know it, shall end.
Anyways, back on topic....
On both the Guard and Astartes pages, they start off by calling it a "Rapier Armoured Carrier" and then they go on to detail the Laser Destroyer, so it might just be a simple explanation there. I would not be surprised to see alternate weapons though.
While it looks like FW has a lot of stuff coming out in the upcoming months, it looks like the overwhelming bulk of it is loyalist marine stuff that just doesn't do anything for me. The Storm Eagle is particularly irritiating, it's a Storm Raven in all but name from the looks of it and just screams "bandwagon hop", it makes the thunderhawk pointless and the game never needed SM's with lots fast skimmer assault gunships in the first place, especially not widespread availabilty of them.
/rantover.
I'd love to see some of that Tzeentch and DE stuff though, but above all the AdMech stuff is incredibly tantalizing, really looking forward to seeing some of that stuff. Imagining a Skitaari list and Knights would be an amazing addition to the 40k universe.
Pyriel- wrote:I certainly hope that shark jetbike is an april joke. Has to be the ugliest and most stupid thing I have ever seen.
But I guess to each their own.
I cannot imagine them actually selling that or the Khorne Flake.
I'm not saying they're going to sell it, but in the past GW sold comedic seasonal pieces... so I don't understand that harsh sentiment. Learn to laugh... Its funny.
Vaktathi wrote:While it looks like FW has a lot of stuff coming out in the upcoming months, it looks like the overwhelming bulk of it is loyalist marine stuff that just doesn't do anything for me. The Storm Eagle is particularly irritiating, it's a Storm Raven in all but name from the looks of it and just screams "bandwagon hop", it makes the thunderhawk pointless and the game never needed SM's with lots fast skimmer assault gunships in the first place, especially not widespread availabilty of them.
/rantover.
I'd love to see some of that Tzeentch and DE stuff though, but above all the AdMech stuff is incredibly tantalizing, really looking forward to seeing some of that stuff. Imagining a Skitaari list and Knights would be an amazing addition to the 40k universe.
The Storm Eagle seems like FW's attempt to cater to the same group of people a number of other aftermarket Storm Raven add-on kits did... the people who didn't like how the Storm Raven turned out.
They're primarily producing neat add-ons for armies and center pieces for armies. So of the 50+ items they release each year is there one or two I'd consider buying?-Yes, which beats GW's 100+ items and me wanting none.
aka_mythos wrote:The Storm Eagle seems like FW's attempt to cater to the same group of people a number of other aftermarket Storm Raven add-on kits did... the people who didn't like how the Storm Raven turned out.
At one of the FW Masterclasses they were making fun of the Storm Raven, so it doesn't surprise me that they came out with something better
endtransmission wrote:At one of the FW Masterclasses they were making fun of the Storm Raven, so it doesn't surprise me that they came out with something better
Kroot's post has just reminded me, during the first Q&A session Tony Cottrell did say that he would really appreciate people giving them positive feedback; if they get something wrong it's not a problem because the inbox fills up, but it's very difficult for them to know when they got something right, as no-one tells them!
So if you really like any of the rules, models or anything then please drop them an e-mail and they'll keep doing it right.
Also, with regards to the Mk VIII armour, he did say that would be kind of stepping into the future from the 40k perspective, although he and Alan then seemed to have a bit of a murmur about Minotaurs. The main upshot, as far as I understood it anyway, was that they prefer to do models that fit into a larger story, rather than just gap fillers.
Vaktathi wrote: but above all the AdMech stuff is incredibly tantalizing, really looking forward to seeing some of that stuff. Imagining a Skitaari list and Knights would be an amazing addition to the 40k universe.
As was stated before, I'm disappointed at the sheer volume of Loyalist Marine-only stuff that was shown this year; the Stormeagle's already been shown to be loyalist-only (not VERY surprised, but disappointed that my conversion will be relegated to Apoc-only), and I fear the Deimos will be loyalist-only (will be VERY sad if that happens!). The Avenger...obviously Loyalist-only so regular 40k skimmer rules would be irrelevant to me.
Pyriel- wrote:I certainly hope that shark jetbike is an april joke. Has to be the ugliest and most stupid thing I have ever seen.
But I guess to each their own.
I cannot imagine them actually selling that or the Khorne Flake.
That was actually a model for Bran (flake) Redmaw .
reds8n wrote:That was actually a model for Bran (flake) Redmaw .
To be fair, not all countries sell Bran Flakes, so this pun may be UK only. Never seen or heard of Bran Flakes in Germany, although theoretically they seem to exist here. So internationally, Khorne Flakes is the better pun.
The K'Daii Fireborn models are a real disappointment. Combined with subpar rules and overcosting, I can't see them ever being used, too bad they didn't translate well at all from concept art (which was awesome) to model (which is not awesome).
Here's to hoping that Magma Dragons and the K'Daii Destroyer end up much better!
All they need to do now is miniaturize that Gargantuan Squig and we'll finally have some decent Mangler Squig models (like Warhammer: Age of Reckoning) instead of those abysmal $90 a base models which stick out like a sore thumb.
Looking forward to Blackfire Pass, though I am surprised at the O&G focus given they now have a whopping 2 models in the range (after they release the squig that is).
The K'daii rules aren't bad just niche, but those models are real disappointment; they don't really look like their fluff description or their concept art. Ogre sized samurai on fire are what these are supposed to be like... they're a column of fire with a meh-armor.
They've also changed the concept art for the Destroyer... we've gone from a molten rock and metal bull to to something that looks like a croutching minotaur with armored mask and armor-peg-leg-spike arms.
The Bull Centaur's concept art is a different as well... for one of the most armored unit suddenly they're less armored... oh and on fire... someone should remind FW Bull centaur don't have the immunity to fire the Fireborn have.
Pyriel- wrote:I certainly hope that shark jetbike is an april joke. Has to be the ugliest and most stupid thing I have ever seen.
But I guess to each their own.
In other news, an exceeding number of Dakkanauts have lost their sense of humor.
I think the Fireborn really need to be shown as painted models, as they have a bit too much detail going on it seems.
This might just be me, but I really just feel like I am staring at a lot of weird grey. I really need to see one of those painted to understand how they are supposed to look.
Jadenim wrote:Kroot's post has just reminded me, during the first Q&A session Tony Cottrell did say that he would really appreciate people giving them positive feedback; if they get something wrong it's not a problem because the inbox fills up, but it's very difficult for them to know when they got something right, as no-one tells them!
So if you really like any of the rules, models or anything then please drop them an e-mail and they'll keep doing it right.
This might just be me, but I really just feel like I am staring at a lot of weird grey. I really need to see one of those painted to understand how they are supposed to look.
It looks like they're supposed to be Djiin or Efreet, which is gonna have an issue when it's unpainted.
Yeah, I just can't tell I'd it is organic looking, flames, trees, or what. I can get a sense of how it supposed to be painted, but my imagination isn't cooperating.
aka_mythos wrote:The K'daii rules aren't bad just niche, but those models are real disappointment; they don't really look like their fluff description or their concept art. Ogre sized samurai on fire are what these are supposed to be like... they're a column of fire with a meh-armor.
They've also changed the concept art for the Destroyer... we've gone from a molten rock and metal bull to to something that looks like a croutching minotaur with armored mask and armor-peg-leg-spike arms.
So, what you're saying is I should be looking to oop Clan Wars Shadowlands models for stand ins?
The K'dai look good in person, those photos don't do them justice. I normally despise sculpted flame, but they are challenging that attitude for me. What I can't wait for is the Magma dragon, after seeing the concept I reakon it will be the first FW Dragon that I buy.
I think the Fireborn really need to be shown as painted models, as they have a bit too much detail going on it seems.
This might just be me, but I really just feel like I am staring at a lot of weird grey. I really need to see one of those painted to understand how they are supposed to look.
It's made of flames, and I think will look rather awesome when painted:
To me their flames don't look right. They're supposed to be fire daemons trapped in armor... It looks more like a lot of little fires burning across a surface when you'd imagine a creature of fire would present more of a centralized source for the fire... and you'd imagine more flames coming up along the edge of the armor than abruptly stopping.
Vaktathi wrote:While it looks like FW has a lot of stuff coming out in the upcoming months, it looks like the overwhelming bulk of it is loyalist marine stuff that just doesn't do anything for me. The Storm Eagle is particularly irritiating, it's a Storm Raven in all but name from the looks of it and just screams "bandwagon hop", it makes the thunderhawk pointless and the game never needed SM's with lots fast skimmer assault gunships in the first place, especially not widespread availabilty of them.
/rantover.
I'd love to see some of that Tzeentch and DE stuff though, but above all the AdMech stuff is incredibly tantalizing, really looking forward to seeing some of that stuff. Imagining a Skitaari list and Knights would be an amazing addition to the 40k universe.
ShatteredBlade wrote:Must resists urge to buy Storm Eagle..
But you need the Storm Eagle
So did I, but they made it Loyalist-only.
True, but much could change when(if) a new chaos codex comes out. It could be a long wait though. It wouldn't stop me from buying it, cause you could always use it for appocolypse games.
ShatteredBlade wrote:Must resists urge to buy Storm Eagle..
But you need the Storm Eagle
And the Storm Eagle needs you!
Pilots Creed:
This is myStorm Eagle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My Storm Eagle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
MyStorm Eagle, without me, is useless. Without my Storm Eagle, I am useless. I must fly my Eagle true. I must fly better than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...
My Storm Eagle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the missions we fly, the noise of our engines, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its spirit. I will keep my Storm Eagle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before THE EMPEROR, I swear this creed. My Storm Eagle and myself are the defenders of the Imperium. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of humanity.
So be it, until victory is ours and there is no enemy, only ash!
Of COURSE they yanked PotMS/Infernal Machine form it...but Daemoinc possession? I'll take it! I think I'll keep multi-meltas on the nose, though; mine's going for the hybrid lander/tank-hunter role!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I think the one-unit-per-transport thing still applies, though....oh well! Would be a hell of a way to deliver Abby or Kharn...
Sisters of Silence were an organization not really like the Sisters of Battle--excepting the fact that they were made up of women. They were entirely Blanks, and guarded the ships hauling around psykers.
I assume Miss Dee's comment is in reference to the Black Library releasing an audiobook on the Sisters of Silence for April Fool's Day.
The joke being that the Sisters of Silence, once they are fully initiated...take vows of silence and never speak again. They use hand signals during combat and the like.
CthulhuIsSpy wrote:3. Why is there a vampiric moose?
It's a (deliberately or otherwise) misspelled Peryton, a chimeric beast invented (though as a literary device he claims it to originate in a lost classical text) by Argentine writer of weird fiction Jorge Luis Borghes.
He's somebody well worth reading, and a significant influence on contemporary writers like Gene Wolfe and Neil Gaiman.
They've been saying no more Elysians since last year. I understand why you'd want more, but it was done as a thematic scenario driven army. Beyond that I know they were working on a transport version of the Tauros....what happened to that?
I dunno... incredible optimism on the sellers part maybe? I won't be surprised if he gets whatever he's asking for it though. It's a pre-release one, limited edition (in a way)!
I am surprised no one has really spoke of what Mark Bedford & Will Hayes had said in regards to a Adeptus Mechanicus army in the works. Towards the end of some question and answer tome, someone (jokingly?) questioned about Custodes models, one of them replied "It's on the drawing table." 2014 perhaps? Hm.
more capacity than any land raider, fast, skimmer, tons of weaponry = O_o
Well, C-130's tend to have more space in them than any APC, so it would make sense.
Also, the Stormeagle has less armor and costs more. two TL'd Lascannons are 60 points. The bonus is that it is Fast, and so can fire weapons while moving at cruising speed.
krazynadechukr wrote:I am surprised no one has really spoke of what Mark Bedford & Will Hayes had said in regards to a Adeptus Mechanicus army in the works. Towards the end of some question and answer tome, someone (jokingly?) questioned about Custodes models, one of them replied "It's on the drawing table." 2014 perhaps? Hm.
If true, and in the works... awesome!
It would have to be Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era then though, wouldn't it?
krazynadechukr wrote:I am surprised no one has really spoke of what Mark Bedford & Will Hayes had said in regards to a Adeptus Mechanicus army in the works. Towards the end of some question and answer tome, someone (jokingly?) questioned about Custodes models, one of them replied "It's on the drawing table." 2014 perhaps? Hm.
If true, and in the works... awesome!
It would have to be Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era then though, wouldn't it?
Wouldn't have to be in a book or anything, they could just produce some models for the sake of production.
aka_mythos wrote:Adeptus Custodes are still around and rarely but occasionally go off world, so no it wouldn't have to be Heresy or Preheresy era.
Not questioning you but all info I've ever read states that the custodes haven't been offworld and have eschewed the use of their armor since the emperor was intered. If I'm wrong I'd apreciate hearing your source.
aka_mythos wrote:Adeptus Custodes are still around and rarely but occasionally go off world, so no it wouldn't have to be Heresy or Preheresy era.
Not questioning you but all info I've ever read states that the custodes haven't been offworld and have eschewed the use of their armor since the emperor was intered. If I'm wrong I'd apreciate hearing your source.
In the RT era fluff after the Emperor was interred into the Golden Throne, the Adeptus Custodes would go off world to investigate reports of believed manifestations of the Emperor since they're the only ones really qualified to identify him. I also veguely remember them being involved with the incidents surrounding the Star Child and Sensei... all that fluff about a reincarnated Emperor and his possible children.
I pretty sure current fluff has them never leaving earth/the Emperor's side since his installation into the Golden Throne, hence my Pre-Heresy/Heresy era guess.
Of course, they could just be cool models for cool models sake, but where's the fun in that?
Simon Egan and Will Hayes would love to do 
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