Looks like Space Marines are getting pretty much everything else in Finecast now towards the end of May.

I was looking forward to seeing the Thunderfire in Finecast but went ahead and bought two second hand ones and $56 is a little pricey!

Space Marine Bike Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Shoulder Pads ---------------------------- $10.00 Finecast
White Scars Bike Squad Upgrade Pack ---------------- $10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Command Squad Upgrade Pack -----$13.25 Finecast
Ultramarines Shoulder Pads -----------------------------$10.00 Finecast
Crimson Fists Tactical Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $14.75 Finecast
Crimson Fists Assault Squad Upgrade Pack -----------$14.75 Finecast
Iron Hands Tactical Squad Upgrade Pack ---------- $18.25 Finecast
Sergeant Telion -----------------------------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian with Staff & Book -----------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian: Force Sword & Bolt Pistol --$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Chaplain: Crozius & Power Fist -----$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Chaplain: Skull Helmet ---------------- $16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Librarian: Force Axe & Plasma Pistol--$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Apothecary: Chainsword -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Multi Melta -----------------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Heavy Flamer -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Sergeant: Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon -----$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Flamer -----------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Shadow Captain Kayvaan Shrike -----------------------$19.25 Finecast
Chapter Master Pedro Kantor -----------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge -----------------------$19.25 Finecast
Chief Librarian Tigurius -----------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Kor'sarro Khan -----------------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armour -----$19.25 Finecast
Chaplain Cassius -----------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Sergeant Chronus -----------------------------------------$19.25 Finecast
Forgefather Vulkan Heston -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Techmarine -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Terminator Chaplain -----------------------$21.50 Finecast
Captain Darnath Lysander -----------------------------$21.50 Finecast
Space Marine Casualties -----------------------------------$24.00 Finecast
Space Marine Masters of the Chapter -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Ultramarines Tyrannic War Veterans -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Legion of the Damned Squad -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Veterans MK2 -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Veterans -----------------------------------$41.25 Finecast
Space Marine Thunderfire Cannon -----------------------$56.00 Finecast

(Original Sourse is BoLS http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/gw-news-may-releases-2012.html )

I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

THANK GOODNESS I just ordered and received all the LotD models I didn't have! The two-packs went up 8 dollars! But the singles only went up 1 dollar...... That is GW math for you.

Looks like I will be getting the Legion of the Damned guys at the end of the week. Don't want them in Finecast!

Awesome! I've been hoping the Thuderfire would go FC.

You've made my day, Killian!

The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!


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Also: Does this effectively mean no new Codex in May?

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

I don't see that anywhere....(in the list posted)

Priced out the LotD models I'd want (11 of them). AUD$155.

Nope. If the choice is AUD$155 or Finecost (and never owning them), I'll take Finecost.

That's a hell of a lot of marines....

H.B.M.C. here in the USA, there are websites that sell gw items for 20-25 % off. you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Stoffer wrote:Apothecary in termie armour! Hell yes!

Uhh... what?

I don't see that anywhere....(in the list posted)

I think it might just have been me seeing the Chaplain and my wishful thinking taking over :(

Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

Only for one-piece plastics, sadly...

Stupid GW.

Stoffer wrote:
Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

I'm not following this sentence. New models is normally a good thing for a codex. However, none of these models are new, just switched from metal to Finecast.

What am I missing or what are you trying to say?

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

GW has never been particular keen on economics, or logic, when it comes to pricing. Their price rise every year strategy goes against all logic of supply and demand, and they seem to completely miss the fact that if they cost things with a lower profit margin they would get more people buying stuff and so would overall make more money. But that's a rant for another topic. In general, having price rises for anything becoming the 'cheaper and better' resin instead of 'expensive' metal really annoys me, but it's a stealth rise instead of the hike they'd do in June anyway so it does no more than confirm my expectations of GW's bad business policies so I'll leave it at that.

I figured this wave was coming about six weeks ago when I noticed the thunderfire was no longer available on the UK site. I will probably pick up a thunderfire in finecast, it's expensive but the metal kit was so horrible to keep together and so prone to being dropped and exploding that I've waited for this conversion before buying any.

@Kronk --

I think he means that by converting to Failcast, it means that these are NOT something about to be redone completely, and since they are all big staples of the Space Marine Codex, it seems unlikely it is about to be redone.

chobarba wrote:op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

They only convert metal models to Finecast. Never Plastic to Finecast.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales. AT MOST someone will buy 3 Thunderfires and that's at the small end of the scale because they can compete with a bunch of other stuff like a Landraider(When not taken as a dedicated transport) when it comes to the FOC. Then you have to consider that it wasn't until the past few years that people have really been using them so before that maybe 1 in 5 Space Marine players even had a single one.

Just look at the price of IC models. I KNOW they do not cost more to produce than the average infantry model but they are gonna sell so few of them that they have to set the price higher to make a profit after the moulds.

This isn't an argument saying ALL their prices are justified because they are not. It just justifies the price point within their line-up.

chobarba wrote:H.B.M.C. here in the USA, there are websites that sell gw items for 20-25 % off. you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

I've not seen one selling metal models that also sells overseas.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Because Finecast is a revolution in miniature wargaming, and represent the finest quality miniatures in the world.

(/monotone droning)

Of course, there's another way you could go:

1 Thunderfire cannon in resin - £35
1 FW Rapier Laser Destroyer + 2 stonking crew in resin - £29

Scottywan82 wrote:@Kronk --

I think he means that by converting to Failcast, it means that these are NOT something about to be redone completely, and since they are all big staples of the Space Marine Codex, it seems unlikely it is about to be redone.

Ah. I follow you (him), now.

Maybe, maybe not. I hadn't counted on seeing a new Space Marines codex before next summer, anyway. They'll always get a new codex with each edition, but there's is still competitive as-is IMHO.

Looking at the models on this list, they're all one-offs that wouldn't be conducive to a plastic kit, anyway. I would like to see a plastic kit for Chaplains/Librarians like the Captain kit, with lots of bits and do-das. But while I'm wishing, I want a pony, too.

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

kronk wrote:

Stoffer wrote:
Regardless, a big push of new models might be bad news for a new codex?

I'm not following this sentence. New models is normally a good thing for a codex. However, none of these models are new, just switched from metal to Finecast.

What am I missing or what are you trying to say?

It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Stoffer wrote:It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't think that converting from metal to finecast is taking up the sculpters' or codex writers' time, so I'm not too worried about that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

No, it just keeps it in line with everything else that goes up in price.

Or look at it this way. If it stayed $49.50 and went to Finecast then yes, compared to the rest of the prices in GWs line then it would be undercosted. Not saying that moving to Finecast is a justification of the price rise but the 13% increase just keeps it in line with everything else.

kronk wrote:

Stoffer wrote:It seems like GW has a capacity to release x models at any one time. If that number is taken up by re-releases that might mean their resources are focused on that currently. Secondly those re-releases might compete with a new codex in terms of people spending their money.

Thanks for the explanation.

I don't think that converting from metal to finecast is taking up the sculpters' or codex writers' time, so I'm not too worried about that.

Not necessarily, but it might take up a portion of whatever production resources are available to GW at any time. The other factor again is that it might be seen as two releases competing with each other, so you're giving people with a limited budget the choice of new models for an old codex instead of investing in whatever new codex comes out. The flipside of that is that if you're doing a marine codex (like Dark Angels) the timing of this is fairly good as you'll probably be able to use some of these models as a part of that release.

Killian wrote:

chobarba wrote:op i hope they don't do this for every army... i like my normal plastic orks

They only convert metal models to Finecast. Never Plastic to Finecast.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales. AT MOST someone will buy 3 Thunderfires and that's at the small end of the scale because they can compete with a bunch of other stuff like a Landraider(When not taken as a dedicated transport) when it comes to the FOC. Then you have to consider that it wasn't until the past few years that people have really been using them so before that maybe 1 in 5 Space Marine players even had a single one.

Just look at the price of IC models. I KNOW they do not cost more to produce than the average infantry model but they are gonna sell so few of them that they have to set the price higher to make a profit after the moulds.

This isn't an argument saying ALL their prices are justified because they are not. It just justifies the price point within their line-up.

Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

jspyd3rx wrote:The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

aha, nice reference

TBH there isnt anything there that I'll ever want for my marines, which is a good thing though I hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

I've put off buying a TFC for a long time because it was a $50US metal nightmare. Now it'll be a $56US uncomfortable awkward conversation. This doesn't make me want to buy one any more than before. I have yet to see one in the wild, but I've seen a couple really good conversions.

However many of those models are welcome in non-metal.

Killian wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

The price. Fifty dollars is ludicrous for what you get in that box.

As for the Thunderfire Cannon, I'm picking up the Rapier Laser Destroyer and will be using that as a stand-in. My gaming group is cool with it. It's a bit cheaper and I think it looks better, anyway.

I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

Killian wrote:If it stayed $49.50 and went to Finecast then yes, compared to the rest of the prices in GWs line then it would be undercosted. Not saying that moving to Finecast is a justification of the price rise but the 13% increase just keeps it in line with everything else.

Keeping the price in line with everything else and being undercosted aren't necessarily the same thing. I could charge people $20 for red and blue M&Ms and $15 for each green one... that doesn't mean that the green one (despite its magical properties) is undercosted. I think the underlying issue is that the switchover to finecast doesn't warrant a price increase due to the incredibly variable quality of the casts.

I was thinking the same think, Kronk.

I'll probably get one of each to differentiate them. Anybody have a clue as to the size difference in them?

Breotan wrote:I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

Now that you mention it, I'm not seeing any guns on that list. The meltaguns and plasma guns aren't being redone, either.


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SlaveToDorkness wrote:I was thinking the same think, Kronk.

I'll probably get one of each to differentiate them. Anybody have a clue as to the size difference in them?

Comparing these two pictures, the footprint looks about the same, but the Thunderfire is a little taller.

Breotan wrote:I'm not seeing the Deathwatch gun/shoulderpad. :(

And that makes you sad?

zedmeister wrote:Of course, there's another way you could go:

1 Thunderfire cannon in resin - £35
1 FW Rapier Laser Destroyer + 2 stonking crew in resin - £29

Agreed. I was gonna use the RLD as a TFC, and ive got a TFC! The model looks great.

I'll be getting a couple of TFC for my upcoming Mentor Legion project.

Oh well, guess I'm never gonna have the new style LotD.

Quick, everybody buy up whatever metal marines you need now or foresee needing in the future.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

you wanted them so bad you havn't bought them in the years they have been out...

Not made of money.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

I think what he's saying is GW sells so few Thunderfire cannons, to justify continuing to sell them they need to raise the price. I disagree, since I believe they sell so few precisely because of the high price.

I'm happy to see the Bike squad, White scars, and Iron Hands bits show up, and separately from the kits! I have been planning on getting all three, but really don't need more bikes or another tac squad right now, just the bits. Now I can get just what I need (2 Bike Squads, a White Scar Squad, and an Iron Hands squad upgrade) for the price of one full bike squad.

I may be wrong, but aren't the metal (soon to be Finecast) pauldrons the wrong size for modern Marine kits? If memory serves, they were made for 2nd edition-era Marines, and are smaller that the present plastic ones. If so, it's a bit cheeky for GW to reissue them.

I've put quite a few on various Marines in my Deathwatch army. Never had a problem fitting them to modern plastics.

Yea, got most of my Marines with Tac and Ultramarine pauldrons and only had some casting issues. Normal fit is fine.

Just wish they'd release 'em in batches of 5. I don't need 10 Mentor Legion pads. I need like... three!

What are the Bike Squad Upgrades? Is that the Bike Sgt w/ Power Sword, Biker w/ Plasma, and Biker w/ Melta?

DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

Brother SRM wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

To be fair that particular behemoth is a good 200 pages longer than most peoples' attention span.

aka_mythos wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Killian wrote:Yes, it is expensive but I think it is perfectly priced when you think about possible volume of sales vs. income from those sales.

So what you're saying is that right now the Thunderfire is undercosted at US$49.50, and that a 13% price increase is actually what it needs?

I think what he's saying is GW sells so few Thunderfire cannons, to justify continuing to sell them they need to raise the price. I disagree, since I believe they sell so few precisely because of the high price.

And they'll raise the stats more in the next book because they don't sell so great, and then people will complain about the "must have" unit being so expensive and in Finecast.

It's an endless cycle of shenanigans.

Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

timd wrote:Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

There are a rare few things that have gone down. Off the top of my head, the Yeti's from WHFB are the only thing I can think of...

jspyd3rx wrote:The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

I've got $5 here plus shipping if you'd rather do that instead.

The iron hands bits are a nice touch, but after doing some math I raged.

Normally the price between the original boxes was $8.75 USD for the iron hands bits. How changing to finecrap and adding $10 USD to the price happened is beyond me.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

I have to say I think that is one of the biggest things to come out of this whole deal and I am actually excited about it. I think many overlooked that bit of news.

timd wrote:Very, very glad that I picked the Space Marine Masters of the Chapter set in metal recently...

Although it looks like the set went down $2 in price from the metal price...

Well I am with you on that. I have my metal Masters still in there box awaiting their fate. It is interesting that they went down in price and the LotD box went up considerably.

juraigamer wrote:

The iron hands bits are a nice touch, but after doing some math I raged.

Normally the price between the original boxes was $8.75 USD for the iron hands bits. How changing to finecrap and adding $10 USD to the price happened is beyond me.

SickSix wrote:

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:Iron hands upgrade sounds nice.

I have to say I think that is one of the biggest things to come out of this whole deal and I am actually excited about it. I think many overlooked that bit of news.

As this is a recast to resin release, its most likly the old bits, just "worth" more... or so they say.

So May is a 2nd and finecost - wave month.
I'll waste nothing on these, rather go for the new'crons.

Finally iron hands finecast. Now i need to break apart my guys. O well this combined with necrons is gonna kill my warhammer budget

OH BOY, this is the bestest news ever! More Fincast is most epic WIN.





I can remember a point in time when I reveled in GW's new releases. Now... Well... I just don't know anymore.

Killian wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Yes, but there is a distinct difference between selling 3 of a model and none. That difference exists in the price point. There is a bell curve in price value and profit, if they make it too expensive they stop selling models and thus lose profit. There is no way in hell that the thunderfire hasn't dived right off that curve into the abyss of proxies and conversions. I've seen one sold in my local area ever. I bought mine from someone else.

Exactly. I bought both of mine second hand but for me the reason wasn't the price, it was the horrid reputation the model had in metal. Yes, Finecast has a bad rap too but the Thunderfire is probably the single model that the Finecast version will have a better reputation than the metal model.

Did you buy yours second hand more for the price or the fact it was already assembled and you didn't have to deal with that? (If infact yours WAS pre-assembled.)

When determining the price of a product there are a lot of factors you need to look at.
1 - How many they expect to sell? If everyone needs this item to make a viable army, then more people that have to have it and you would expect it to be cheaper because the benefit would be they produce more, they sell more. I don't know anyone that wants or needs 3 of these in one army. I have 1 but only because it looked cool and I needed something that could take out lots of cheap infantry like bugs and orks.
2 - What expenses can you control? Some costs are easier to estimate and control than others such as the cost to actually produce - this is usually done on a per unit basis but if you ramp up production, you incur additional labor, utilities, and other expenses indirectly related to the item produced. Once you start ramping up production, you find that costs usually increase exponentially rather than linear. The more power you use, the more you pay per unit of power. The more labor you use you start to get into OT or hiring additional employees. With the Thunderfire, I don't see them needing to sell too many.
3 - What is the turn over on the item? Will this sell like hot cakes because everyone needs the item to play or is this an ancillary piece that you can live without that you can expect to have sit on the shelf because it isn't a necessity. I've seen this item sitting on the shelves at my LFGS and even at 30% nobody bit on it. So that tells me its just not that great a seller and GW can expect it to sit on their shelves and their distributors shelves as well.

Not everything GW makes is sold at MSRP, their distributors get it between 40-50% off MSRP. So when they calculate the price, they look at it both ways - we want to make a profit when we sell to the Distributor and when we sell at our own shops. All of that goes into how they develop the price. GW and just about every other Company in the world tries to find the price point where they are able to maximize their profits or get as close to their profit max as possible. You are right about one thing though - your gross profit line does look like a bell curve - if its too high nobody will buy and if its too low you're selling the product for less than what you're making on it. Both are poor strategies and you will not stay in business long.

For the record, I bought mine second hand. It was assembled, pinned, and green stuffed. I bought it for $25 for both pieces

To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

Well, Marines finally get the Finecast love. Powerfists are painful in so many ways.

Killian wrote:
Damned Legionnaire: Multi Melta -----------------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Heavy Flamer -----------------$16.00 Finecast
Damned Sergeant: Bolt Pistol & Power Weapon -----$16.00 Finecast
Damned Legionnaire: Flamer -----------------------------$16.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 -----------------$33.00 Finecast
Legion of the Damned Squad -----------------------------$41.25 Finecast

So, if you buy the squad they're $8.25 ea or you could buy the two-packs and get them at $16.50 each. Explain that in terms of production costs. Just ordered the metal ones I needed.

Edit: appologies to anyone responding...but after thinking about it for a second more I noticed sets 3 & 4 aren't listed so they may be rolling those into 1 & 2 to make four-packs...which would make sense pricewise. If not then it's a massive price hike.

Finaly LOTD marines in finecast

now I will have a awesome death company

Leth wrote:Finally iron hands finecast. Now i need to break apart my guys.

Okay, I'll bite. Um, why?

Had a bunch with just the shoulders that i was able to trade for. Now i can give em the bionic love they deserve. Anyone know what the bike upgrade things is?

I'm actually fairly excited about these. The veterans, librarians, and tech marines are some great models, and I love the Telion model. One problem I see is the Tigurius model. It's ancient, and needs an update badly.

It's not older than many of the models on that list - it's the same age as the Cassius and Calgar models for that matter - and it's the second Tigurius model GW's made.

Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not older than many of the models on that list - it's the same age as the Cassius and Calgar models for that matter - and it's the second Tigurius model GW's made.

Yeah, those are outdated as well. Long story short, the model doesn't look so great.

Just realized the Iron Hands upgrade kit is among the new releases as well; another big plus!

Marneus Calgar? The Big M, in Termy armour, with full retinue, doesn't looks so great?

Ah, I thought you meant PA Calgar. Yes, termie Calgar looks amazing. But are you sure they're the same age? There's a distinct quality gap (more like yawning chasm) between the Tigurius and termie Calgar models. It's even evident in the style of their poses, as Tigurius is more static, indicative of GW's earlier work.

Back when Codex: Ultramarines came out (this is 2nd Ed) we got PA Calgar and the original Tigurius.

When Codex: Space Marines (4th Ed) came out, we got Termy Calgar & Friends, plus a new Tigurius to replace the old model. We also got Cassius w/Bolt Pistol.

Then when Codex: Spiritual Liege (5th Ed) came out, we got Cassius again, this time with the Combi-Flamer he had been released with accidentally for a little while back in 4th Ed (the first batch had Combi-Flamers for some reason). Termy Calgar and Nu-Tigurius were not replaced.

Jackal wrote:To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

I guess you haven't seen the 25th Anniversary Marine...

Looks like i am not buying any of the new special marine models. No finecast for me.

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

THANK GOODNESS I just ordered and received all the LotD models I didn't have! The two-packs went up 8 dollars! But the singles only went up 1 dollar...... That is GW math for you.

Yes, GW math is terrible, just like stating a $13.25 model (LotD singles) going up to $16 apiece is a "1 dollar" increase. But it just wouldn't be a Finecast release without a 20% price increase, would it?*


So far as the TFC; I think it has nowhere to go but up. The metal model is a nightmare, so I think a $6 premium to have it in Finecast is probably acceptable. That being said for what the TFC actually does and it's statline it was probably $20 overpriced back when it was $50.

*Well, at least 20% - Chaplain Cassius is up 30%.

Arm.chair.general wrote:Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

Chaos isn't begin to grow... until later this summer. : P

ThomasPolder wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote: hope this isnt all what comes out next month :/

Have you looked like two threads down? Big Necron release in May.

To be fair that particular behemoth is a good 200 pages longer than most peoples' attention span.

To be fair, most peoples' attention span isn't long enough to read the first lines of the first post, where most information is covered

Arm.chair.general wrote:Great, space marines get everything yet chaos space marines get nothing :/

It's not really "everything" it's just a bunch of models getting converted from metal to Finecast. It's nothing new at all. Chaos will get theirs when they get a new codex sometime in the next 12 months.

Kroothawk wrote:
To be fair, most peoples' attention span isn't long enough to read the first lines of the first post, where most information is covered

Believe me, I know!

I was hoping for more time to buy these in metal. Looks like I may have to splurge to dodge a bullet.

helium42 wrote:

Jackal wrote:To be honest, finecast marines arent too bad

They are generally larger and alot more chunky than most other armies.
Its usually smaller parts that suffer from the poor casts and bubbles, so marines shouldnt be hit too badly i hope.
Do want the LotD models though, so hoping it will work out.

Also, for reference, all 3 of my mangler squigs are all 6 tyrant guards are all perfect quality, while necron characters and eldar aspects seem to have varous faults.

I guess you haven't seen the 25th Anniversary Marine...

Given that every Finecast Marine (well, every Finecast model, but Marines are what's relevant here) I've bought has needed to be returned at least once, I foresee titanic quantities of rage in GW stores across the land unless they take care to ensure the have more then twice the stock they expect to sell on-hand on 19th May.

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

It just feels like GW doesn't really want to sell this gak sometimes. But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

Thanks for the warning. Ordered the chapters masters this morning so I get them in glorious metal!

helium42 wrote:Quick, everybody buy up whatever metal marines you need now or foresee needing in the future.

Not really worth it anymore. With the full court press to finecast, I'[m heading over to warmahordes.

Sidstyler wrote:
And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

It just feels like GW doesn't really want to sell this gak sometimes. But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

My Thunderfire usually does pretty damn well, to tell you the truth. I use an old Thudd Gun though. I think the Rapier Laser Destroyer that Forgeworld remade would be suitable anyway.

Sidstyler wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me. Even before this it was almost the same cost as a land raider. Do they smoke the leftover resin? How do they not recognize what this does to their sales volume?

And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

I must admit this is where Mantic's Quad Cannon thing does come in handy. Can get 3 of those pretty much for the same price

Sidstyler wrote:But even though they do everything ass-backwards they still somehow make money.

GW is like Capcom

The power of "Fond Memories" and "Nostalgia" overpowers logic and reasoning

Sidstyler wrote:And what's even better: the thunderfire cannon isn't even that good in-game. So if you didn't want it because the rules sucked, but you thought about maybe getting one anyway because you liked how it looked, then the $56 price tag will turn you off for sure.

Man, I swear by the two Thunderfires I run and my opponents never ignore them twice.

carmachu wrote:

helium42 wrote:Quick, everybody buy up whatever metal marines you need now or foresee needing in the future.

Not really worth it anymore. With the full court press to finecast, I'[m heading over to warmahordes.

... where metal is phased out as well and even the (more expensive) plastic versions contains resin

Yup. Might I suggest giving up on the wargaming hobby altogether? Just imagine how much money you'd save.

Kroothawk wrote:
... where metal is phased out as well and even the (more expensive) plastic versions contains resin

I smell an incoming debate about what the heck Plastic-Resin really is, just like all those other times

Its plastic!
Its not plastic!
Its resin!
Definition of resin is blah blah blah
Thats not the type of resin we're talking about!



Although I dont remember them being more expensive, just the same price

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Agamemnon2 wrote:Yup. Might I suggest giving up on the wargaming hobby altogether? Just imagine how much money you'd save.

Clothes? Bah who needs them! And food, I bet I can survive on the cockroaches that live in my house alone!


There is money to be saved everywhere my friend



Anyways back to resin marines. Well at least bitz will be easier to do I suppose

Ouze wrote:

SickSix wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really wanted those LotD models. Ah well...

THANK GOODNESS I just ordered and received all the LotD models I didn't have! The two-packs went up 8 dollars! But the singles only went up 1 dollar...... That is GW math for you.

Yes, GW math is terrible, just like stating a $13.25 model (LotD singles) going up to $16 apiece is a "1 dollar" increase. But it just wouldn't be a Finecast release without a 20% price increase, would it?*


So far as the TFC; I think it has nowhere to go but up. The metal model is a nightmare, so I think a $6 premium to have it in Finecast is probably acceptable. That being said for what the TFC actually does and it's statline it was probably $20 overpriced back when it was $50.

*Well, at least 20% - Chaplain Cassius is up 30%.

Yes I made a fool of myself there. I thought they were $15 for some reason. But GW doesn't look any better for it lol. A 3 dollar increase is just crazy.

The Thunderfire Cannon is the most ridiculously symmetrical model. I don't know why they released in metal rather than plastic, maybe to save on the initial startup costs on it (keeping the metal mold vs. tooling the metal block for the plastic mold). IMO releasing that model in plastic for $35 would have been keen.

Pity about the price hikes, but of course it is may. I need to find me the GW Direct LOTD models and the Chapter Masters.

And I agree with whomever said releasing the old shoulderpads was cheeky without resizing them. You can get those things to fit the most recent edition models, but they're undersized when compared to the plastic shoulders contained within chapter specific sprues release from Black Templars forward. I tried mixing some of the metal ones with the plastics and I noticed the size difference immediately (perfectionist). This lead to me getting rid of all of my metal DA and tactical arrow shoulders.

I really wish that they'd make a sprue with nothing but shouldpads. The various types of Assault, Tactical, Devastator, Command Squads, etc.

Anyways, this.


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Okay just priced the LTOD Marines that are GW Direct...about $120....$10 per troop. That hurts me right in my face. It's really hard to imagine prices going up from there on regular, troop sized models.

I gotta stop thinking that miniatures as Pokemon, and I don't gotta catch 'em all.

Zwan1One wrote:Thanks for the warning. Ordered the chapters masters this morning so I get them in glorious metal!

Here is the link to the metal Space Marine Chapter Masters: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060070

For some reason searching chapter masters or even Space Marine Chapter Masters will not find the (much cheaper- $35 vs $60 individually) four figure set.

Tim

Edit: Oops, its showing "No longer Available" and the single figures are "Expected to despatch in five to six weeks."
So too late to buy these in metal from GW.

Anyone know what the bike upgrades include?

Since the Iron Hands upgrade is the bits from that box, I'd say it likely will be the bits from the White Scars bikers.

Goddammit where is a resin Sanguinor??

The bike upgrade is seperate from the white scars upgrades however, only reason I am wondering.

MajorTom11 wrote:Goddammit where is a resin Sanguinor??

What's wrong with the metal one, Tom?

Leth wrote:The bike upgrade is seperate from the white scars upgrades however, only reason I am wondering.

That is a very good spot.

I wonder, because there is no "bike squad upgrade" kit available right now. Just the White Scars one.

Unless they're Finecasting the metal Sergeant & two special weapon dudes they did when the bikes first came out.

Dysartes wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Goddammit where is a resin Sanguinor??

What's wrong with the metal one, Tom?

Although I am usually quite happy to grab up metals still, in this case I am wanting it for the wings and a chop up on the body, so finecast would be very desirable for a heavy chop conversion...

Dysartes wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Goddammit where is a resin Sanguinor??

What's wrong with the metal one, Tom?

It's metal, silly

For a non-conversion I still prefer metal actually , explanation 2 posts above as to why I want Sanguinor in Resin though -

Yeah, I can't deal with the chipping though, you can't look at them without a piece breaking off.

Khornate, bonjour, moi aussi j'suis Quebecois... are you in Montreal? If so, make sure to check out the tournament forum, there is an event in a month if you didn't already know.

With that out of the way, everything that is happening at home is not pertinent to this thread. I sympathize with frustrations (especially after today), but Rule#2 of Dakka is to Stay on Topic. As such I have had to edit out your post. Please try to confine your posts to wargaming, and also, seriously, please try to stay calm at home as well, this will all pass, no need to do anything drastic. - MajorTom11

:::awkward:::

Please see above -

Stoffer wrote:Yeah, I can't deal with the chipping though, you can't look at them without a piece breaking off.

That's quite an exaggeration there, Stoffer - even without varnish, unless I'm knocking them over on a harshly-textured surface, my metal figures don't seem to chip. With the right varnishing (I've been advised gloss, then matt), the odds on chipping drop even further.

Hmm, well fine(cast)

I will hold off a bit but I don't know, maybe they still have plastic options for magnetizing. We will see

I don't usually do panic purchases (ahead of price adjustments, for example), but Direct Only items turning into Finecast is whole another matter. I simply had to purchase the remaining Legion of the Damned models, even if I don't collect Marines of any kind.

The LotD squad box is no longer available. The singles and doubles are still up for order.

I decided to mail order all the LotD models I didn't already have as well.

Btw if a specific model already says "ships in 3 to 4 weeks" on the site that does not necessarily mean you can't get the metal version anymore if you order it before saturday (probably). The local GW store manager called HQ to ask about a certain few miniatures, and was told that although they didn't know anything about a change to FC (no, of course not ) they still had a specific number of said models left in storage, and as long as that is true and the price and/or description hasn't changed on the website they are available to order in metal.

Does anybody know why these have been gone from the GW site (and how long they have been gone)?

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m710083a_99060101439_DamnedLegionnaires2_873x627.jpg

Last wednesday I mail ordered the whole lot of them, and was already wondering why there was no "Damned Legionnaires 2". They weren't there wednesday. If they ran out of them they usually list an item as "no longer available" instead of removing it altogether.

So I just happen to visit the local game store today, browse the remaining metal blister (which aren't that many left), and I find the blister with these exact two guys is one of the two only LotD they still had hanging on the rack (the other being the Multi-melta). Talk about lucky coincidence

Also, looking at the list in the first post of this thread, I only see these listed:

- Legion of the Damned squad (I assume this is the current 5 model box)
- Damned sergeant: bolt pistol & power weapon
- Damned Legionnaire: multi melta
- Damned Legionnaire: heavy flamer
- Damned Legionnaire: flamer
- Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 (looking at the price there are 2 guys in this blister)
- Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 (^^)

Two blisters seem to be missing...

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me.

They have to cover the cost of paying all the laborers needed to dump the massive amounts of bad casts into the garbage...

TBD wrote:
- Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 1 (looking at the price there are 2 guys in this blister)
- Space Marine Damned Legionnaires 2 (^^)

Two blisters seem to be missing...

I am willing to bet that there are actually going to be 4 guys per pack for those selections. Old #1+#2= New #1 etc.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Im getting telion and a Thunderfire cannon.
And i wonder what the bike squad upgrade pack is.

hotsauceman1 wrote:YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Im getting telion and a Thunderfire cannon.
And i wonder what the bike squad upgrade pack is.

Bike squad upgrade hopefully is the Sarge, Plasma gunner, and Melta gunner rider bitz. I've been wanting to get them, but not really to pay $40 or $45 for the kit when I have plenty of bikes already. This, the White Scars one, and the Iron Hands bits will let me get what I want and not have to get the rest of the kit, saving me about $100.

Noooooooooooooooooooo!

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:How they justify a 56 dollar thunderfire is beyond me.

They have to cover the cost of paying all the laborers needed to dump the massive amounts of bad casts into the garbage...

/rimshot +1

Finecast would be awesome if it wasn't so overpriced.

See what I did there?

MajorWesJanson wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Im getting telion and a Thunderfire cannon.
And i wonder what the bike squad upgrade pack is.

Bike squad upgrade hopefully is the Sarge, Plasma gunner, and Melta gunner rider bitz. I've been wanting to get them, but not really to pay $40 or $45 for the kit when I have plenty of bikes already. This, the White Scars one, and the Iron Hands bits will let me get what I want and not have to get the rest of the kit, saving me about $100.

Yeah, I'm assuming it's those same formerly-metal bits that have been around since 2nd edition. I don't know why you'd need them these days when you have plastic meltaguns, plasma guns, and power weapons.

I'm happy about those Legion of the Damned.

Brother SRM wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Im getting telion and a Thunderfire cannon.
And i wonder what the bike squad upgrade pack is.

Bike squad upgrade hopefully is the Sarge, Plasma gunner, and Melta gunner rider bitz. I've been wanting to get them, but not really to pay $40 or $45 for the kit when I have plenty of bikes already. This, the White Scars one, and the Iron Hands bits will let me get what I want and not have to get the rest of the kit, saving me about $100.

Yeah, I'm assuming it's those same formerly-metal bits that have been around since 2nd edition. I don't know why you'd need them these days when you have plastic meltaguns, plasma guns, and power weapons.

because having the rider cradle the weapon on his side looks much cooler than him holding a two-handed special weapon out in one hand?

SlaveToDorkness wrote:
because having the rider cradle the weapon on his side looks much cooler than him holding a two-handed special weapon out in one hand?

It's not exactly hard to convert them doing that in plastic:

As nice as the look for your CF is, I don't see it at all the same. nor do I see that sitting in the bike as well. However your models look very nice.

Thanks for the kind words! I don't see it being that hard to cut plastic to the shape for those poses, or ones similar to them. Granted, I also don't like that those single-piece torsos are so old, and paying high prices for them doesn't sit well with me. The sergeant in particular is also very small for a Space Marine.

Brother SRM wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:YAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Im getting telion and a Thunderfire cannon.
And i wonder what the bike squad upgrade pack is.

Bike squad upgrade hopefully is the Sarge, Plasma gunner, and Melta gunner rider bitz. I've been wanting to get them, but not really to pay $40 or $45 for the kit when I have plenty of bikes already. This, the White Scars one, and the Iron Hands bits will let me get what I want and not have to get the rest of the kit, saving me about $100.

Yeah, I'm assuming it's those same formerly-metal bits that have been around since 2nd edition. I don't know why you'd need them these days when you have plastic meltaguns, plasma guns, and power weapons.

Slave to Darkness is half right. They do look cool. The other reason is that all my plastic plasma guns and melta are already in use, so it would be just as expensive to buy more online, when these are already complete.

The only good thing about this is that the more finecast models GW produce, the better they'll get at it. (Hopefully)

Anyone old enough to remember the first plastic models, were they perfect from the beginning?

chobarba wrote: you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

ALOT

Looks like I have about $200 worth of metal models to buy before this happens.

SgtSixkilla wrote:The only good thing about this is that the more finecast models GW produce, the better they'll get at it. (Hopefully)

Anyone old enough to remember the first plastic models, were they perfect from the beginning?

chobarba wrote: you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

ALOT

LOL! I liked that Alot!

SgtSixkilla wrote:The only good thing about this is that the more finecast models GW produce, the better they'll get at it. (Hopefully)

Anyone old enough to remember the first plastic models, were they perfect from the beginning?

chobarba wrote: you should look into some of these websites for the UK as that will chop the price down ALOT!

ALOT

As much as i liked that, the only thing that let it down was that apostrophes have thier own key without using shift. The ALOT thing definately made up for it though.

They (GW) have removed them from the website. Confirmed. I was too late to get them! Really pissed I missed out on the Terminator Chaplain. Its the best model in the range if you ask me. The new one had better not have holes and a bent Crozius!

Got my Legion of the Damned in the nick of time, thanks to SickSix.

Are they doing the troops/heavysupport/fast attack symbols in finecast, too? Since painting Fast Attack symbols is going to be weaksauce later on. :(

Crazyterran wrote:Are they doing the troops/heavysupport/fast attack symbols in finecast, too? Since painting Fast Attack symbols is going to be weaksauce later on. :(

The shoulder pads still say "ships in 24 hours" for the most part. I think they're just switching over things you'd find in stores.

Here is a link to the Space Marine Finecast wave, just came out... http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=2500122-gws

I really like the Tyrannic war vets, but I hope they aren't eaten up by the finecast bugs >.>

Holy moley... $94 for a Thunderfire. Gah!

I smell an incoming debate about what the heck Plastic-Resin really is, just like all those other times

Its plastic!
Its not plastic!
Its resin!
Definition of resin is blah blah blah
Thats not the type of resin we're talking about!

That does happen a lot on forums, but there is no debate where knowledge is involved. Plastics are polymers. The "regular" GW kits are made from polystyrene like most mass-market model cars, planes, trucks, ships, etc. by Revell, Tamiya and others. Polystyrene is one kind of plastic. The "resins" used for many other kits are often made using polyurethane which is another kind of polymer (i.e., plastic). For example, the old Armorcast GW licensed models were made from urethane. Urethane is most likely the major component of current Forge World and many other companies' products as well.

So, the box of Bikes is gone. Soooooo
3 Sm bikes
The upgrade will get you.....10 bucks.
Thats 55 bucks. and around 5 or so dollers for tax? 60 bucks.
You could buy a landraider for that much.
Or spend 45 more to get the revenwing battalion
Well im glad i got most of my bikes.

I like the pictures, but I laughed at the captain in terminator armor. "paper banner not included" lol. Such an average model compared to some of the other new stuff.

The only good news about this is now my FLGS will now carry them. 20% off GW's price ftw.

$94 Thunderfire cannon

WOW at first I thought

Ledabot wrote:I like the pictures, but I laughed at the captain in terminator armor. "paper banner not included" lol. Such an average model compared to some of the other new stuff.

That guy was awesome when he first came out - and while he isn't quite up to the levels of some of the more recent models, he's still pretty good, though maybe a touch small.

Glad to see I was right about the Bike Upgrade kit

I'm really glad I bought my Kantor before they cut off his balls

LunaHound wrote:$94 Thunderfire cannon

WOW at first I thought

I reckon you could make a cheap thunderfire cannon by converting one from the psilencer gatling cannon from a bitz store and some cheap small treads.

I'm happy to see both the iron hands and the Thunderfire cannon become finecast

Where is everyone seeing $94 for the Thunderfire? I'm seeing $56...maybe it was an error they corrected?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod1600062a

What exactly does the White Scars pack include? Heads and weapons? Arms? "Six components" isn't very informative...

Or the fairly standard "oops I picked the Australian website" mistake...

reps0l wrote:Where is everyone seeing $94 for the Thunderfire? I'm seeing $56...maybe it was an error they corrected?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod1600062a

Take a peek at the small flag next to the people posting that. $10 bucks says they have the Australian flag like mine.

Aussie prices are quite a bit higher than UK or US equivalents.

Not an actual mistake (sadly) if you live in Australia - check the flags for users on their posts - it helps clear up a lot of things!

I thought the user posting it had a US flag, my bad.

Alpharius wrote:Not an actual mistake (sadly) if you live in Australia - check the flags for users on their posts - it helps clear up a lot of things!

Copy that! I feel bad for the Aussies

yeah aussie prices are disgusting lol

N'Ferno wrote:What exactly does the White Scars pack include? Heads and weapons? Arms? "Six components" isn't very informative...

I'm curious to know as well. Helmet-less heads would be nice, as they would hopefully look suitably barbaric for Space Wolves
conversions.

Update: Well, looks like we're in luck. They're up on the GW site. https://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1600068a

Arm.chair.general wrote:

LunaHound wrote:$94 Thunderfire cannon

WOW at first I thought

I reckon you could make a cheap thunderfire cannon by converting one from the psilencer gatling cannon from a bitz store and some cheap small treads.

Or, as said earlier in the thread, you could just use this Forgeworld Rapier laser destroyer, with comes with those 2 sexy-as-hell guys for £29 (not sure what that equates to exactly in $, but is obviously cheaper).

Kroothawk wrote:
... where metal is phased out as well and even the (more expensive) plastic versions contains resin

While true, its early stii and metals are plentiful, and the plastic is actually good. Anything is better then fine cast./

Pacific wrote:

Arm.chair.general wrote:

LunaHound wrote:$94 Thunderfire cannon

WOW at first I thought

I reckon you could make a cheap thunderfire cannon by converting one from the psilencer gatling cannon from a bitz store and some cheap small treads.

Or, as said earlier in the thread, you could just use this Forgeworld Rapier laser destroyer, with comes with those 2 sexy-as-hell guys for £29 (not sure what that equates to exactly in $, but is obviously cheaper).

Great idea

reps0l wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Not an actual mistake (sadly) if you live in Australia - check the flags for users on their posts - it helps clear up a lot of things!

Copy that! I feel bad for the Aussies

I looked for new zealand. $110. Not so excited anymore. Well at least thats only AUS$85.

Ledabot wrote:

reps0l wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Not an actual mistake (sadly) if you live in Australia - check the flags for users on their posts - it helps clear up a lot of things!

Copy that! I feel bad for the Aussies

I looked for new zealand. $110. Not so excited anymore. Well at least thats only AUS$85.

Ouch! I converted the $110 new zealand dollars and it worked out as £54! I feel for you guys in Australia and New zealand

d-usa wrote:Or the fairly standard "oops I picked the Australian website" mistake...

No oops. I live in Australia.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

d-usa wrote:Or the fairly standard "oops I picked the Australian website" mistake...

No oops. I live in Australia.

Don't mind me, I'm just an idiot on the internet

H.B.M.C. wrote:

d-usa wrote:Or the fairly standard "oops I picked the Australian website" mistake...

No oops. I live in Australia.

It's an oops. We all know you shop over in England at Maelstrom!

If you want a properly cheap thunderfire cannon, get the £12.50 one from Mantic which is much larger and nicer-looking, and not Citadel Finecast:



The squat is a seperate piece and can be left off or replaced with a servitor/ techmarine.

I agree that £36 for a small artillery piece with a single crewman is a bit of a ripoff.

Just perusing the section for this on the GW site, bit baffled by the Crimson Fist sets.

There are 2, for the same price, that appear to me to be exactly the same except that the Assault set also includes a power fist.

Why does the Tactical set exist?

I recently (about a month ago) started buying up the LotD mini’s because I like them and wanted to paint them, knowing I’ll never field them with my Templar they are still good looking models. I also bought the squad set in metal. Now they’re coming out in FineCast I guess I’ll be picking up those too because at least they will be a little easier to pose differently…. Can't wait to hear about the Thunderfire cannon too!!!! I have it in metal that I grabbed not to long ago…
If someone buys one of those I hope it will get posted....

Slinky wrote:Just perusing the section for this on the GW site, bit baffled by the Crimson Fist sets.

There are 2, for the same price, that appear to me to be exactly the same except that the Assault set also includes a power fist.

Why does the Tactical set exist?

2 Mk6 heads instead of 2 Mk7 heads? That's the only reason I can see.

warboss wrote:It's an oops. We all know you shop over in England at Maelstrom!

Emgarbo.

This actually makes me happy. I can get more Tyrannic War Vets for bits.

Is it just me or did the Masters of the Chapter box drop in price compared to the metal box? I remember the metal box being $45.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1600048a

AresX8 wrote:Is it just me or did the Masters of the Chapter box drop in price compared to the metal box? I remember the metal box being $45.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1600048a

And weren't there 5 of them previously?

No, there were only 4.

Must be a mistake then. Add a zero to the end of their price.

Slinky wrote:Just perusing the section for this on the GW site, bit baffled by the Crimson Fist sets.

There are 2, for the same price, that appear to me to be exactly the same except that the Assault set also includes a power fist.

Why does the Tactical set exist?

Because the ones in the tactical set look cooler. The assault set just has fists, the tactical set has fists within a circle. I prefer the tactical set ones, which is why I have so many Marines with those pads in my army.

Brother SRM wrote:

Slinky wrote:Just perusing the section for this on the GW site, bit baffled by the Crimson Fist sets.

There are 2, for the same price, that appear to me to be exactly the same except that the Assault set also includes a power fist.

Why does the Tactical set exist?

Because the ones in the tactical set look cooler. The assault set just has fists, the tactical set has fists within a circle. I prefer the tactical set ones, which is why I have so many Marines with those pads in my army.

Ah, thanks - hadn't noticed that

AresX8 wrote:Is it just me or did the Masters of the Chapter box drop in price compared to the metal box? I remember the metal box being $45.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1600048a

Metal box was $35. Bought a box a couple of months ago.





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Just happened to look at the GE blurb for the new Finecast Marines:

"It's kind of scary to think about, but Citadel Finecast is now just over one year old. Over the last 12 months we've released over 200 miniatures in Finecast resin and today we get to add another 40 to the Space Marine range. Yep, you read that right - 40."

A slight rework gives a more consumer oriented blurb...

Over the last 12 months we've released over 200 miniatures in Finecast resin and today we get to add another 40 to the Space Marine range. Yep, you read that right - 40. It's kind of scary to think about...

jspyd3rx wrote:The Thunderfire cannon is the only model I know of that desperately needed a finecast treatment. Gonna take my metal model out to the the field with a boom box and bat.

Oh dear...

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