Can Someone please tell me the background of Eldar.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

For a start...

Thanks


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Are they a good starting army???

I haven't played any other army and have been trying Eldar for a few months now. I've had limited success. The mechanized lists seem to be the most popular (that's what I'm working toward), but they are a challenge to keep alive sometimes. I would say they are not a "beginners army", but I think they are worth the challenge. They have an old codex, which adds to their challenge. I like painting them and I like the fluff.

Cool thanks

a few things

1. What is Fluff???
2. what craftworld do you have???
3. Are the Farseer and Warlocks worth getting???

this is my army so far

1x Barrathoth, The Cry Of the Wind
6x Swooping Hawks inc. Exarch


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And what do you think of my new Craftworld (my picture)
Haven't thought of a name yet (suggestions)

1) Fluff talks about the "story" behind the game. Not the actual rolling of dice and rules, but the story to what is happening. Fluff and story can be used interchangeably.
2) Craftworld Avior!
3) Yea. Farseers and Warlocks are Eldar bread and butter. Good psychic powers make a good eldar army.

oh ok what do your eldar look like???





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Oh ok what do your eldar look like???





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Also What is in your army???



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I am looking for a 1500pt army and what do you thinnk I should out into it.

There has to be...

1x Barrathoth, The Cry of the Wind
6x Swooping Hawks inc. Exarch
1x Eldar Battleforce
1x Farseer and Warlocks
1x Striking Scorpians

Eldar look like Games Workshop elves. They are tall, strong, tough and look like excessively beautiful humans with very high cheekbones and tilted eyes. Eldar look distinct from humans, but can disguise themselves as a human - and some Eldar have been living as humans for years.



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Army building advice shouldn't go in this forum now that it's been moved, but here it is:

Eldar players are more divided than Space Marine players with how they pick their craftworld colours. There is an absolute huge difference between craftworlds in their society and war machine, but there's only one codex. That said, an army which focuses on Jetbikes or (for some reason) gravtanks tend to be red and white while an army which focuses on aspect warriors have a tendency to have green and white guardians. Current edition has the red-and-white Eldar (i.e. Saim-Hann) as the most common. Ulthwé seems to be the craftworld that I see most forum-goers who are die-hard about their Eldar pick. Personally I play a small craftworld which has a similar warmachine to Il-Kaithe and has an absolutely massive Corsair presence although my primary enemy tends more towards what Alaitoc or Iyanden would face.

I'm going to go with a rare value statement regarding your choice. Baharroth and Swooping Hawks are the two least useful purchases you will ever make in Warhammer 40k (unless you also want to pick up Tau's Aun'va).

Farseer is the second best HQ you can purchase. Eldrad is the best. Warlocks on jetbikes (these models have never been made by GW and must be converted) are the third best. Autarchs are gimmicks, Avatars are good only if you also get a Farseer, Phoenix Lords can pretty much be ignored until you've got an army and are comfortable with playing Eldar. Yriel is fun, but usually needs to be in a position where he can bugger off on his own and assault a unit on his own.

If you want further army-building advice, you are best served asking separately in the army list forum. You WILL get recommendations for mechanization, though, just saying.

Maybe you should buy the Codex first before making an Eldar army, just saying.

I agree with Kroothawk. Swooping Hawks

I would also not recommend them as a starting army. Yes, it's hypocritical of me, but I only started them because I liked the pretty colours. (Shut up, I was 10. And a half.) But even then, it took me a good few years to win my first game. You need to manouver your units correctly, and make sure your units are matched against things they can take out. That's the thing with Eldar, most units are brilliant at taking something out, but bad at other things. You need to use your speed to your advantage and make sure you have favourable matchups. Then, just use Doom a few times and it's an insta-win. Ok, maybe not, but you get the idea.

I play Eldar myself and personally love them. The fluff is really good and painting them is a difference form my guard army. So, choose whether you want to go mech and be like veryone else. Or go for a bigger challenge and go foot. I play foot, but that's just me as I don't see eldar as a big mech army.

Eldrad is the best choice. Then get an avatar, then get 3 war walkers with scatter lasers everywhere get about 20/30 guardians with scatter lasers. Then just go for long range anti tankness with some harlequins with shadowseer. LEft over points, go for some striking scorpions or something. JUST LEAVE THEM SWOOPING HAWKS BE, THEY ARE THE WORST CHOICE OF ALL TIMES. NEVER TAKE THEM. Did that in bold as it is so important. Never take phoenix lords until you are a good eldar player. A good guide to go to for more indepth advice is:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/402275.page

Hope this helps. Good luck with your eldar. I went Ulthwe myself just to let you know. Easier colours to paint and I love guardians to bits.

Eldar was my first army and I think I did pretty well with them.

Anyways, do get the codex before starting an army.

Check out the Army Lists and the Battle Reports threads to build a list. I've got a bunch of swooping hawks models as well, but no one seems to use them. That will probably change with the flyers coming out across the armies, but for right now they're hard to find.

I play a version of Yme-Loc (red instead of orange), but the FOC is all the same. It's just paint.

Since I'm a noob as well you may want to check out some of my threads since they're mostly about rules and tactics, especially http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455696.page (hopefully experienced players will continue to post to it).

Try reading the codex, that's a good source of info, but basically they are future elves. The ninjas to the space marine's pirates, polar opposites in style.

Eldar were my first army also..

I'd say these days, the variants of space marines are much easier to learn, play and be forgivable even when you make the mistakes newer players tend to make.

But, play what you like - I think they look cool.. so that's why I play them!

I also was someone who started Eldar as my first army. I actually think it helped me to become a good player, because to win even part of a Battle as Eldar you have to have a good grasp of what is going on. When I expanded into IG than BT I realized how much easier/forgiving those armies were than my Eldar.

I played Eldar because I love the lore, and they are still my favorite race lore and play wise. Nothing beats the feeling of an Eldar army that pulled off every one of it's tasks perfectly. It's like conducting a symphony, if everything goes according to plan it's just down right beautiful.

However, they have real weaknesses and if I was ever playing "to win" my IG would always be fielded first just because they adapt so much better. Also, one thing you have to be prepared about if you actually want to win with Eldar is putting quite a bit of time into list building/experimentation. It taught me to be a really good player as list building is part of the strategy of the game, and so many people fail at making good lists. Eldar taught me otherwise, but it was a pain getting to that point.

I love Eldar and they are great if you want a challenge, but if you are looking for a easy/chill experience they may not be the army for you.

Edit: Something I would suggest trying out if you are going Eldar would be War Walkers. They are one of our only units that can reliably get their points back even if they are thrown into a situation they aren't 100% meant for.

Eldar are definitely a tough army to begin with, I have 3000 points of them, but that is because I bought them for 100 dollars off a guy at a GW who was getting out of gaming.

BUT!!!!
They have really cool fluff(background), and have some really cool abilities(psychic powers like fortune and guide even though we shall have to see how those are with the new rulebook) and some cool units(harlequins ROCK, and Farseers on Bikes are great imho)

overall, if you like the look and feel of an army, play them, dont do a super awesome army that you hate the look and feel of because then you will just ragequit after 20 hours of painting. Best of luck to you!

A family member and I got into 40k about 1.5 years ago, he picked Eldar for all the cool skimmers and tanks....While they are not the meta army to play, they can be mastered....after a few months, this family member started winning, and now is one of the best players at the FLGS. Just a matter of learning the army, and playing. Trust me, Eldar can put out some terrifying lists!
Advice:
6th edition is out in less than 2 weeks, and an Eldar codex in the next...well that's undetermined. BUT, I would wait to buy anything more....as I am guessing 6th will chane alot.

Ok thanks guys!

you have really helped
the only reason that I chose Eldar is because I originally just was going to paint them and not play, but I have changed my mind. This was the reason that I chose Swooping Hawks and Barrathoth(because they looked cool)

Eldar Man wrote:Ok thanks guys!

you have really helped
the only reason that I chose Eldar is because I originally just was going to paint them and not play, but I have changed my mind. This was the reason that I chose Swooping Hawks and Barrathoth(because they looked cool)

I can tell you that sadly, Baharroth is the worst Phoenix Lord and Swooping Hawks are your worst Aspect choice (if not the worst choice in the book). I have tried....really really tried...to make these things work well. They can do damage, they aren't UTTERLY useless, but they are confused about the jobs they need to perform. They don't put out enough damage to be swarm killers, they are str 3 so they aren't good against anything else but swarm units, and though their grenade drop is cool it will once again only kill swarms. Considering swarms are cheaper and will still probably catch and kill you they are not a very good choice. Their haywire grenades are their only redeeming quality, and the only time I have effectively used them was in a Planet Strike game where I was allowed to DS and assault in the same turn into a Battlewagon.

Wonderful models though!

I like them and because I spent so much money on them I am determined to make them Work!!!

This hereby is the Start of my Eldar ARMY!!!!!

Eldar were my first army.

Long before there was the path system, aspect warriors or even their own vehicles.

They aren't an easy army to learn to play - you have to support each of them with something else in order for it to pay off dividends (the army works on synergy between units).

They are, however, rewarding to play once you have figured out their little eccentricities.

Ive seen swooping hawks do okay against me as having people with haywire grenades drop into my gunline of tanks can be annoying and will take alot of fire off your other guys, but they are not a very strong unit as others have said

Eldar Man wrote:Can Someone please tell me the background of Eldar.

Read the codex. Dakka Dakka is not a substitue for codices

We can give you brief tips and general overviews, but there's no substitute for reading your Codex. Know your army. Know the background, know their units, know the play style, know their soul and you will triumph.

Swooping Hawks are a situational unit best pulled out against enemies with lots of skimmers/lightly armored troops, if you're playing against lots of Eldar/Dark Eldar/airborne Guard armies you'll find them more useful. I find they work best when used for fast strikes against things the enemy isn't expecting to be attacked, using other units to draw off the enemy and hit isolated vehicles with the Hawks is the tactic I've had the most success with (my IG-playing friend has started deploying rings of Guardsmen around his Basilisks to stall the Hawks...).

The remarks about the soon-to-come new Eldar Codex are certainly true, but I would like to observe that some characteristics of armies do not change: the Eldar will always be the hyper-specialized army, every unit excels in one or two situations and is no better than mediocre in others, it's not a list you can build an entire battle plan around a single type of unit (*coughPurifierscoughcough*), you win by exploiting the ways in which a wide variety of units complement each other.

It is possible that Hawks gain with the new 6th edition, with grenades and assault troops improved and tanks nerfed.

Mahtamori wrote: ...some Eldar have been living as humans for years.

What? Where did this come from? And why would any of them want to live as one of a 'lesser race'?

Maybe they meant the Exodites...

n0t_u wrote:Maybe they meant the Exodites...

Can't be. Even those guys live in ways that in the eyes of the Eldar are above lesser breeds like us.

I know, just they were sort of as similar as it gets.

n0t_u wrote:I know, just they were sort of as similar as it gets.

Unless its something that happens on frontier worlds beyond the notice of the major galactic powers, with Humans and Xenos living together. Off course, once the Imperium/Chaos/Craftworlds take notice, they get curb stomped.

Tadashi wrote:

Mahtamori wrote: ...some Eldar have been living as humans for years.

What? Where did this come from? And why would any of them want to live as one of a 'lesser race'?

So that they can breed with humans and have their children grow up to be Ultramarines.

See: RT rulebook pg 177 (The Elar race and the Craft-Worlds)

See also: White Dwarf issue 126 (Epic Knights)

See also: Kaarja Salombar, a character in "The Chapters Due"

See also: The Ultramarine Librarian who was half eldar.... for the life of me I can't find it in all my older books! I know it's there!

Illiyan Nastase. He was basically a phone that the Ultras happened to use.

Then they retconned it trying to sound fancy by giving the Eldar a higher amount of helices or something in their DNA so that they would no longer be compatible and capable of breeding.

n0t_u wrote:Illiyan Nastase. He was basically a phone that the Ultras happened to use.

Lol...a phone.


Reminds me of Wobbly Models...

Then they retconned it trying to sound fancy by giving the Eldar a higher amount of helices or something in their DNA so that they would no longer be compatible and capable of breeding.

Wasn't that the Orks? And in an interview concerning the new DE Codex, it was stated that 'hybrids' made up the bulk of Commoraghs non-DE population. They're not DE clones, the so-called half-born.

Tadashi wrote:Wasn't that the Orks? And in an interview concerning the new DE Codex, it was stated that 'hybrids' made up the bulk of Commoraghs non-DE population. They're not DE clones, the so-called half-born.

The orks are fungi, so I doubt they were retconned in not being able to breed with humans because of too many helices.

And I think when DE mean hybrid, it's not entirely... natural...

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Tadashi wrote:Wasn't that the Orks? And in an interview concerning the new DE Codex, it was stated that 'hybrids' made up the bulk of Commoraghs non-DE population. They're not DE clones, the so-called half-born.

The orks are fungi, so I doubt they were retconned in not being able to breed with humans because of too many helices.

Orks have three-strand DNA IIRC: two animal, one fungal.

And I think when DE mean hybrid, it's not entirely... natural...

Not necessarily. No mention was made either way, so its probably best we not set our thinking in stone over the matter.

Ok this thread is not about Orks ok so if you don't like it LEAVE!!!

Eldar Man wrote:Ok this thread is not about Orks ok so if you don't like it LEAVE!!!

Calm down have a piece of

The ork thing was brought on from your discussion, admittedly a bit OT but no need to get aggressive or over-enthusiastic...

Orks don't even have a lot to do with the Eldar. It's not like they interact a lot beyond Eldar assassinating warbosses that feel like messing with the Eldar so people like Gazhkull get into power.

OkI sorry for over reacting but I hate Orks

Eldar Man wrote:OkI sorry for over reacting but I hate Orks

Why? They're the most fun race in 40k.

Because they are little more than chav football hooligans.

For that reason alone they should be exterminated.

chromedog wrote:Because they are little more than chav football hooligans.

For that reason alone they should be exterminated.

Good luck with that.

But seriously what appeal do the Orks Have???

and can you search Eldar Points and go to that thread and help me out

Eldar Man wrote:But seriously what appeal do the Orks Have???

They're simple-minded, enjoy life, immune to Chaos, invincible, and the most awesome race in the setting.

They are the comedic relief army, as light hearted as grimdark gets.
As for Eldar it depends on what specific part you want to know.

The War In Heaven
Prefall
The Fall
Dark Kin or Dark Eldar
Craftworld
Exodite
Corsair
Harlequin
Mythology (Cegorach, Yynned, Asuryan, Kaela Mensha Khaine, Isha, Vaul, etc)

All of those should be good points to search for.

n0t_u wrote:They are the comedic relief army, as light hearted as grimdark gets.

With analysis, they're the most grimdark of all races, seeing as they're the only ones who actually enjoy the crapsack world of 40k, and their only purpose is to survive and fight, forever... Which is a guarantee, since nothing can ever wipe out the Orks, and they'll be alive and kicking ass for all time.

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Good luck with that.

Yeah, well. We all have goals, right? Some of us just like to reach a little further.

Extermination of chavdom is a good thing for the gene pool, after all.

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Tadashi wrote:

Good luck with that.

Yeah, well. We all have goals, right? Some of us just like to reach a little further.

Extermination of chavdom is a good thing for the gene pool, after all.

Trying to exterminate Orks is about as productive as talking to a rock.

Tadashi wrote:Trying to exterminate Orks is about as productive as talking to a rock.

Are you insulting my other hobby?

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Tadashi wrote:Trying to exterminate Orks is about as productive as talking to a rock.

Are you insulting my other hobby?

Huh? What in Throne's name are you talking about? You CAN'T exterminate Orks. No one can. The Necron and Eldar Empire's couldn't do it at the height of their power, and even had the Heresy hadn't happened, I doubt the Imperium could have either. For them, survival isn't a question. It's a fact.

You could actually with enough effort seeing as it is possible for them to die. But, you have to remember they have spread out of the galaxy already.

n0t_u wrote:You could actually with enough effort seeing as it is possible for them to die. But, you have to remember they have spread out of the galaxy already.

They'll just keep coming back. If the Necron Empire/Eldar Empire/old Imperium couldn't do it, the current Imperium, Craftworld Eldar, and even the slowly re-awakening Necrons can't do it. Heck, these guys are holding back an entire Hive Fleet and enjoying it. And when said Hive Fleet has now manifested the Swarm Lord and still can't beat the Orks...you gotta hand it to them, those greenskins are invincible.

Tadashi wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Trying to exterminate Orks is about as productive as talking to a rock.

Are you insulting my other hobby?

Huh? What in Throne's name are you talking about? You CAN'T exterminate Orks. No one can. The Necron and Eldar Empire's couldn't do it at the height of their power, and even had the Heresy hadn't happened, I doubt the Imperium could have either. For them, survival isn't a question. It's a fact.

haha, I meant talking to a rock.

Badly phrased joke, moving on quickly.

Let's see...

Created by old ones to combat the necrons
(By wardian fluff): numbers were too great for the necrons to consider effectively battling them (and the orks) after successfully laying down the pain on the old ones and c'tan so necrons went to sleep allowing the eldar to eventually claim galactic dominance (which we all know is a title that goes to the orks but let dem panzies dink der da bestest fa now, we'll krump'em later )
Eldar eventually fall from properly worshipping their gods into pleasurable decadence which results in the birth of Slaanesh who nom noms a bunch of the eldar as well as all but 3 (well... More like 2.5) of the eldar gods. Craftworld and exodite eldar had already split from their decadent brethren and depending how far they were from their brethren, were safe from getting nomed. Dark eldar had been holed up in commoragh and were also safe from slaanesh's awakening.
From then on, they've been pretty much the same as they are currently in the fluff or so I am led to believe.

Ok thanks

I would also reccomend finding out about the webway: That's one of the most important things about the eldar. That and the paths are the two defining things with craftworld eldar. Well, that, the craftworlds, the psyker-ness, their hiding from She Who Thirsts (known to the imperium as Slaanesh)...

I reccomend PMing people with specific questions: If you ask them on a forum, you'll get a whole load of conflicting and confusing answers. If you want to know about the eldar, find someone with something eldar-y in their signature and avatar, then ask them. If you need to know about Dark Eldar or She Who Thirsts, feel free to ask me (although there's probably better people to trust than one with my avatar).

Eldar Man wrote:But seriously what appeal do the Orks Have???

They're funny.

In the GrimDark, where everything is such SRS BSNS, the Orks are yukking it up. The worst times in the history of everything are for them a huge party. This is the original, pre Third Edition spirit of 40k.

Manchu wrote:

Eldar Man wrote:But seriously what appeal do the Orks Have???

They're funny.

In the GrimDark, where everything is such SRS BSNS, the Orks are yukking it up. The worst times in the history of everything are for them a huge party. This is the original, pre Third Edition spirit of 40k.

I agree. What part of 40k is funny, save certain ork special rules (e.g. "Faster! Waaagh! Uh oh...") or how they don't know which god it is any of the time?
But no, I understand completely what you mean and I wouldn't want to play with them either.

p_gray99 wrote:I would also reccomend finding out about the webway: That's one of the most important things about the eldar. That and the paths are the two defining things with craftworld eldar. Well, that, the craftworlds, the psyker-ness, their hiding from She Who Thirsts (known to the imperium as Slaanesh)...

I reccomend PMing people with specific questions: If you ask them on a forum, you'll get a whole load of conflicting and confusing answers. If you want to know about the eldar, find someone with something eldar-y in their signature and avatar, then ask them. If you need to know about Dark Eldar or She Who Thirsts, feel free to ask me (although there's probably better people to trust than one with my avatar).

It isnt just known to the Imperium as Slaanesh... thats his name lol to any race in the galaxy. The other titles (Dark Prince, She who thrists, God of Pleasure, ect) are just that... titles or nicknames.

Big fan of eldar fluff, have played eldar/dark eldar/slanneshi themed armies for 6+ years. Best referance is the codexes themselves (all editions) and lexicanum.com IMO for general fluff.

Laughing God wrote:

p_gray99 wrote:I would also reccomend finding out about the webway: That's one of the most important things about the eldar. That and the paths are the two defining things with craftworld eldar. Well, that, the craftworlds, the psyker-ness, their hiding from She Who Thirsts (known to the imperium as Slaanesh)...

I reccomend PMing people with specific questions: If you ask them on a forum, you'll get a whole load of conflicting and confusing answers. If you want to know about the eldar, find someone with something eldar-y in their signature and avatar, then ask them. If you need to know about Dark Eldar or She Who Thirsts, feel free to ask me (although there's probably better people to trust than one with my avatar).

It isnt just known to the Imperium as Slaanesh... thats his name lol to any race in the galaxy. The other titles (Dark Prince, She who thrists, God of Pleasure, ect) are just that... titles or nicknames.

Well knowing the orks they won't use a word as complicated as "Slaanesh", and I've never heared of the eldar (of any sort) refering to She Who Thirsts in any other way, while the Tau probably don't even know about the chaos gods, never mind calling one of them the same thing as the humans do. So overall, I'd say that it's probable that Slaanesh is more of an imperial word that the thing's true name, although it's the name GW uses most, so I'm fine for people to consider it as the "main" name.

It's actually Slaaneth, but that's more or less just to the Daemons.

Eldar never refer to Slaanesh by name, only as The Great Enemy, She Who Thirsts and others like that.

If I Ever played CSM i would want to be able to get the Chaos Gods

Wait, do you mean get the chaos gods on the table?

Wait, let me reiterate that.

That would be even more OP than fielding primarchs.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Wait, do you mean get the chaos gods on the table?

Wait, let me reiterate that.

That would be even more OP than fielding primarchs.

Actually its possible, like the C'tan were in the oldcron codex, when the only way to beat them was to deploy another C'tan on the field.

Yeah, but like the C'tan of the oldcrons, the Chaos Gods would be so under-powered to be fielded on the tabletop for anything short of Apocalypse (and there we're talking about something that's probably nigh 10,000 points if not more)

n0t_u wrote:It's actually Slaaneth, but that's more or less just to the Daemons.

Eldar never refer to Slaanesh by name, only as The Great Enemy, She Who Thirsts and others like that.

Most of the references say "She Who Thirsts", some say "The Great Enemy", and as far as I'm aware there aren't very many at all that use any other names. To the eldar the name doesn't matter as much though: they all know who she is, and don't need to use multiple different references to who it is. And given that even a thought of her can send shivers down an eldar's spine, they don't exactly spend hours making up new names.

Yeah, they don't have a name for Slaanesh at all nor will they come up with one.

and why should they worry all they need to worry about is not getting killed by "She Who Thirsts"

Eldar Man wrote:and why should they worry all they need to worry about is not getting killed by "She Who Thirsts"

Their souls are promised to her because the sins they committed as a race was the birth of Slaanesh. Either they A) put their souls in soulstones when they die, and then go on to animate either the collective ''running'' the Craftworld, or maybe the walkers of their armies, or B) they get devoured by Slaanesh. Doesn't matter where they are, or who kills them.

It's called DOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Eldars are the 'WE ARE DOOMED' faction more than any other, it's woven right into every part of their fluff.

oh I didn't know that!

Should also be worth adding that their souls are stuck in those stone until they are put into the infinity circuit later on. So someone does have to collect the stones from the fallen, perhaps they do it as they go or something.

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Unless, of course, they sell their souls to another Power. Khorne would sooner use sorcery than give anything to Slaanesh and make her happy, and Nurgle cares for his children, so an Eldar marked by these two would be pretty safe from Slaanesh. Tzeentch...you'll have to be really useful to keep your soul safe if you're an Eldar.

I'm pretty sure the stone will work still as it just captures their soul upon death.

n0t_u wrote:I'm pretty sure the stone will work still as it just captures their soul upon death.

Apart from that precaution of course.

Wow that's COMPLICATED!!!

Which part?

The whole Spirit Stone Thing??!?

Well, I've yet to hear about chaos corrupted eldar in any recent fluff. There's reference in the Lexicanum saying that some eldar left in the Crone Worlds (the center of their old empire and the place the most destroyed by Slaanesh's birth) became chaos eldar, but I've never seen any other reference to it. It's probably a leftover from previous editions that never got explicitly retconned.

Eldar don't seem to be affected by Chaos the same way humans does. Even their possessed, the Mandrakes, aren't remotely like human possessed.

Hmmmmm.......Chaos Eldar that would be cool!

I thought all the Eldar too close to the center were killed upon the birth of Slaanesh; the shockwave of it ripping their souls out. I guess they could become corrupted, but due to how they live their lives now and the soul stones I think it'd be exceedingly rare.

But still it would be awesome!!!

Eldar Man wrote:But still it would be awesome!!!

That it would...as far as we know, no Eldar has ever bound themselves to another Chaos Power other than Slaanesh, but since all the Powers are more or less equal, not to mention how they interact with each other and their unique traits, its definitely possible that an Eldar bound to another Power would not give said Eldar's soul to Slaanesh.

Eldar Man wrote:The whole Spirit Stone Thing??!?

They wear it from the moment they're born...I think. But I do know for sure that they don't go anywhere without it, and if they ever have to remove it, they put it back on the first chance they get.

Tadashi wrote:That it would...as far as we know, no Eldar has ever bound themselves to another Chaos Power other than Slaanesh, but since all the Powers are more or less equal, not to mention how they interact with each other and their unique traits, its definitely possible that an Eldar bound to another Power would not give said Eldar's soul to Slaanesh.

And would be a good way of pissing of Slaanesh. Kinda surprising there's hasn't been more attempts.
It's the aesthetical part of the Eldar that wouldn't fit with Khorne or Nurgle, as far as I'm concerned. Tzeentchian farseers would make good models, and make perfect sense. You could explain the motivation behind Nurgle's eldar (cheat death as a race) or Khorne's (regain dominion of the stars), but I don't think they would make for cool models... Fat bloated eldars would be almost undistinguishable from plague marines, and Khornate eldar would lack in muscle mass...

n0t_u wrote:I thought all the Eldar too close to the center were killed upon the birth of Slaanesh; the shockwave of it ripping their souls out.

Is what I remember from the latest codex, and why I really doubt Lexicanum as a source on this. Probably a retcon, possibly just bs...

Hmmmmmmm........ Something to think about?

The 2nd Ed Eldar Codex made a brief reference to Eldar champions of chaos (it was just one sentence from what I can remember) so that's probably where Lexicanum is getting it from.

It said that the "Chaos Eldar" where the most terrible of the Dark Gods servants and that they rarely left the Chrone Worlds IIRC

That would be cool!

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Wait, do you mean get the chaos gods on the table?

Wait, let me reiterate that.

That would be even more OP than fielding primarchs.

Malice can actually be summoned directly to the Materium, there's a short story were the Sons of Malice sacrifice a body for him to possess. Or at least I think that's what goes down.

Course he's a lesser Chaos God.

As for "Chaos Eldar", they could exist in fluff. Eldar who have devoted themselves to the other 3 Chaos Gods, who in turn protect their souls from Slaanesh. The Eldar are very, very susceptible to the Chaos Gods beyond Slaanesh. Warriors lost on their Path who can no longer control their "warmask" could easily become crazed Khornate killers, Farseers obsessed with the future and destiny may seek aid from Tzeentch, and with such strong emotions the Eldar can despair with an intensity unseen by the other races and this would appeal to Nurgle.

That being said a "Chaos Eldar" army or the like would be reundant and stupid for GW to implement. We already have Dark Eldar for "evil Eldar" (yes, I know Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar, but the differences on the table would be too subtle to matter).

True but Dark Eldar and Eldar can Ally wheras Chaos Eldar Would not Ally with Eldar

Harriticus wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Wait, do you mean get the chaos gods on the table?

Wait, let me reiterate that.

That would be even more OP than fielding primarchs.

Malice can actually be summoned directly to the Materium, there's a short story were the Sons of Malice sacrifice a body for him to possess. Or at least I think that's what goes down.

Course he's a lesser Chaos God.

They sacrificed the 11 Doomed Ones (pretty much the 11 best Space Marines of their chapter now warband). And yeah, sure he's a lesser god, but a god nonetheless and would be OP for anything short of Apoc as a unit that couldn't be less than 5,000 points.

Ok

Harriticus wrote:That being said a "Chaos Eldar" army or the like would be reundant and stupid for GW to implement. We already have Dark Eldar for "evil Eldar" (yes, I know Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar, but the differences on the table would be too subtle to matter).

That explanation doesn't seem to hold the road, considering that the mention of Chaos Eldar date back to 2nd and Dark Eldar (IIRC) where added on later.

I thought the Dark Eldar were originally Chaos, but were changed or something. Then my knowledge on Dark Eldar is far less than Eldar.

IIRC, the original Evil Eldar were Chaos, but then were retconned into "fallen" eldar who have given in to their perverted desires but are not chaos.

so guys if Eldar souls go to Slaneesh , when how the souls go to the New God that ,when all Eldars die,will kill Slaneesh?

Souls that are captured in Soulstones that are then placed within the Infinity Circuit are the ones that go to Ynnead. That's also where that god currently grows according to their mythology around it.

n0t_u wrote:Souls that are captured in Soulstones that are then placed within the Infinity Circuit are the ones that go to Ynnead. That's also where that god currently grows according to their mythology around it.

But even then, Ynnead has only a fool's hope of beating Slaanesh...I'm pretty sure even Eldrad doubted it could work.

Really interesting!

I must say as long as you can get it close not even Ghazgull Thraka can survive, being doomed while being shot at by guided, bladestorming Dire Avengers. Dire Avengers are a must have, Dire avengers and Striking Scorpions, working alongside a farseer, it is a deadly combination. Also if I were you Eldar Man, I wouldn't listen to Tadashi much as he is a hardcore SM/IOM supporter. From what I have seen anyway.

emphan34 wrote: Also if I were you Eldar Man, I wouldn't listen to Tadashi much as he is a hardcore SM/IOM supporter. From what I have seen anyway.

Not in this thread, I haven't.

Hahahaha OK!

The 3rd edition DE codex still said that the DE could feast on souls, rather than pain making their souls rejuvinated. I think that 3rd wasn't saying that their souls were being sucked away as much, and more hinting that they were very similar to slaanesh, even if them serving her was retconned.

Anyway, on the subject of Chaos Eldar, they can definitely serve a god (see harlequins and exarchs) so I don't see why they couldn't serve a chaos god in a similar way.

True!

n0t_u wrote:I thought the Dark Eldar were originally Chaos, but were changed or something. Then my knowledge on Dark Eldar is far less than Eldar.

i though dark eldar were eldar trapped in warpspace when slaneesh was born

rednecroncryptek wrote:

n0t_u wrote:I thought the Dark Eldar were originally Chaos, but were changed or something. Then my knowledge on Dark Eldar is far less than Eldar.

i though dark eldar were eldar trapped in warpspace when slaneesh was born

I believe they were hiding in Comorragh.

Not so much trapped in warpspace but hidden in the webway. Whilst the webway might run through warpspace, it is separate at the same time..

A pocket of safety inside warpspace - a hyperspace "bubble" so to speak.
The webway has its own defenses against demonic intrusion (the warp spiders after whom the aspect is named) that patch and/or rebuild any breaches like a self-healing membrane.

The webway's the veil between realspace and the void. Think of a planet's atmosphere: The planet is realspace, space is the void, and that amazingly thin bit in the middle is the webway.

Then does a webway gate let you pass between realspace and the void

No.
It lets you pass from one realspace location to another via gates.
Much ilike stargates in SG-1 do.

Eldar do not travel the warp, they travel through realspace at STL speeds, or they utilise large warp gates to move their ships, the craftworlds lumber along.

For an Eldar to travel "naked" into the warp (unprotected by the wards and other protections of the webway), they would be rent asunder and their souls consumed by Slaanesh - as they're on His/Her turf now - and as their souls retain awareness after death, would VERY much feel every second of their consumption. The stones are to keep their souls intact in realspace.

chromedog wrote:

For an Eldar to travel "naked" into the warp (unprotected by the wards and other protections of the webway), they would be rent asunder and their souls consumed by Slaanesh - as they're on His/Her turf now - and as their souls retain awareness after death, would VERY much feel every second of their consumption. The stones are to keep their souls intact in realspace.

Wasn't there a mention somewhere that Eldar aboard Imperial ships can traverse the Warp safely, albeit cowering in terror in the safest area of the ship? I think it was in an RT/BL book somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.

Wouldn't be too surprised, as Imperial ships will still have some defences, however crude in the eldar's eyes.

Gellar Fields maintain some sort of defensive bubble around a vessel while it traverses the Warp. It keeps those inside safe from the Warp... in theory. In truth, Gellar Fields fail all the time and ships are frequently lost in the Warp, but for those that don't have such calamities, a Gellar Field is sufficient to keep daemons away from the crew and passengers, including Eldar.

Tadashi wrote:

chromedog wrote:

For an Eldar to travel "naked" into the warp (unprotected by the wards and other protections of the webway), they would be rent asunder and their souls consumed by Slaanesh - as they're on His/Her turf now - and as their souls retain awareness after death, would VERY much feel every second of their consumption. The stones are to keep their souls intact in realspace.

Wasn't there a mention somewhere that Eldar aboard Imperial ships can traverse the Warp safely, albeit cowering in terror in the safest area of the ship? I think it was in an RT/BL book somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.

Not what I meant by "naked", though. If you travelled into the warp via a breach in the webway, then an eldar would be dead (or worse).
Imperial ships have their own crude wards against the warpspawn - the gellar field. Eldar are still uncomfortable even protected by such a field, as they STILL attract the notice of these entities, and put the fields under even more stress to cope with the more intensive attacks. See the novel "Farseer".

 chromedog wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

chromedog wrote:

For an Eldar to travel "naked" into the warp (unprotected by the wards and other protections of the webway), they would be rent asunder and their souls consumed by Slaanesh - as they're on His/Her turf now - and as their souls retain awareness after death, would VERY much feel every second of their consumption. The stones are to keep their souls intact in realspace.

Wasn't there a mention somewhere that Eldar aboard Imperial ships can traverse the Warp safely, albeit cowering in terror in the safest area of the ship? I think it was in an RT/BL book somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.

Not what I meant by "naked", though. If you travelled into the warp via a breach in the webway, then an eldar would be dead (or worse).
Imperial ships have their own crude wards against the warpspawn - the gellar field. Eldar are still uncomfortable even protected by such a field, as they STILL attract the notice of these entities, and put the fields under even more stress to cope with the more intensive attacks. See the novel "Farseer".

What Novel "Farseer"

BL novel by William King.

"Farseer".


THAT novel "farseer".


Has a stupid human chump (he's a drug addled loser) accompanied by Eldar on an imperial ship as it travels through the warp.

Cool will check it out!

I find with my Eldar, a prism at the back with a wraithlord up front with A farseer/Warlocks is brilliant, but ya can't pass up some delicious fire dragons, using them on tanks is overkill, they are really good against termites with their freakin' 2+ but as for hawks, leave them...unless there's a monolith/Necrons, their grenades work WONDERS, on that subject weapons with similar rules are the D-cannon, Wraithcannon against necrons NEVER pass them up, aswell as Banshees, most things for CC use Delicious Banshees, lighter armored, other Eldar, Chaos Daemons, Guardsmen, etc Scorpions and to make it overkill some Spears, spiders, and a vyper and they can't resist, o3o especially the Prism cannon, my FAVORITE unit of mine o3o

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Their souls are promised to her because the sins they committed as a race was the birth of Slaanesh. Either they A) put their souls in soulstones when they die, and then go on to animate either the collective ''running'' the Craftworld, or maybe the walkers of their armies, or B) they get devoured by Slaanesh. Doesn't matter where they are, or who kills them.

Unless they're a Solitaire and Cegorach can trick Slaanesh out of his (or her) soul.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
Their souls are promised to her because the sins they committed as a race was the birth of Slaanesh. Either they A) put their souls in soulstones when they die, and then go on to animate either the collective ''running'' the Craftworld, or maybe the walkers of their armies, or B) they get devoured by Slaanesh. Doesn't matter where they are, or who kills them.

Unless they're a Solitaire and Cegorach can trick Slaanesh out of his (or her) soul.

that would be the best thing about that

Thread Necromancy, nice...

In the spirit of thread necromancy:

My interested in the Eldar has experienced a sort of revival of its own lately. I've always had an interest in them, but they have caught my eye differently as of late.

To answer the OP's original question, I would say that they are not a good beginner's army because playing them effectively requires not only a strong knowledge of your own codex, but a healthy knowledge of all the other codices as well. I would personally say the SM are my preferred race, but I have no problem admitting that they are not particularly complex, and you can play competitively with nothing more than your codex and a handful of dice. This is not true of the Eldar.

This thread took a hard left about half way through and somehow got turned into a whole different discussion involving a few BL books, some bits of fluff, and a few references to some older editions. It's difficult to respond to all that at once so I will just say that I recommend not reading any of the BL novels or user submitted (wiki) fluff until you have read the Eldar Codex thoroughly.

The fluff in this particular game has a sort of tide to it. Its ebbs and flows from edition to edition, and all the codices play on one another in a sort of leapfrog of in game "historical accuracy". It's not a bad thing, and I for one like the ambiguity it lends to the hobby. But the unfortunate side effect of that is the fans (particularly some forum users) tend to possess strong biases for against the various factions. This is especially true in the BL novels, which are fun if you regard them as being simply other people's interpretations, but they can quickly damage the game's overall feel if you place to high a value on them.

Again, I suggest you thoroughly look over your codex (and the DE codex and Necons for a bit of addition perspective) and then and only then start thumbing through the BL stuff.

yeah i brought it back to life i made this thread when i was a noob but i understand now so thankss

Just reading through old posts and tbh I am extremely embarrassed at my posts. Like seriously

Was there a need to revive a year old thread?

WOW

No. I was just saying that I was extremely embarrased HAHAHA.

Harry, What?

Please don't revive ancient threads.