The unit entry has been leaked. Just saw it quoted on chinese forum baiduhttp://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D5%BD%B4%B840000 .

DA has :

Captain Balthasar(with power armor, not in TDA)
Librarian(with power armor)
Tactical Sqaud(10 men, with 1 plasma cannon)
Deathwing Squad(5 men, with storm bolters, no Stormshield)
Ravenwing Squad(3 bikes)

Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

I wonder what the price tag will be? That looks like a nice enough starter set for anyone playing power armour. The contents have been hinted to be those you mentioned already weeks ago by Harry and the others on Warseer.

The contents in and of themselves do not seem that great.

But would like to see the actual models. .

Cultists would imply that a new CSM dex is due out around then. That or they will white dwarf them in. Seems like their new thing this past year or so, to add in new stuff for both fantasy and 40k.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:The contents in and of themselves do not seem that great.

Really? Seems to be very in line with assault on black reach numbers wise

Captain=Captain
Tac Squad=Tac Squad
Termie Squad=DW Squad
Dread=Chaos Dread
Boyz=Cultists
Nobz=Chosen (+ an extra)
Deffkoptas=RW Bikes

Only thing thats really gone is a big based character since the Chaos Lord is in power armor, but the libby probably makes up for that

Now though I wonder if they'll give a bigger price tag though...

Even after I said I wouldn't, I might still end up getting this. Going to be waiting to see how it all looks.

I'm just curious if the rumors were true about this starter set having a DA and a CSM version instead of being one kit that comes with both forces.

Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

morgendonner wrote:I'm just curious if the rumors were true about this starter set having a DA and a CSM version instead of being one kit that comes with both forces.

I have a source telling me that there will be three versions:

1) DA+Chaos
2) DA + Terrain
3) Chaos + Terrain

kenshin620 wrote:

balsak_da_mighty wrote:The contents in and of themselves do not seem that great.

Really? Seems to be very in line with assault on black reach numbers wise

Captain=Captain
Tac Squad=Tac Squad
Termie Squad=DW Squad
Dread=Chaos Dread
Boyz=Cultists
Nobz=Chosen (+ an extra)
Deffkoptas=RW Bikes

Only thing thats really gone is a big based character since the Chaos Lord is in power armor, but the libby probably makes up for that

Now though I wonder if they'll give a bigger price tag though...

Yeah, don't get me wrong its great for a starter. Not so much for a person that has alot of DA stuff already, beside the fact that they have DA iconagraphy on them. Was hoping for something more I guess, but meh.

I would have liked to see the libby in termy armor or even the captain. Thought that would go along with the DA alot better. 3 Bikes seems kind of a waste to me anyways.

But as I said want to see the models.

sharkticon wrote:

morgendonner wrote:I'm just curious if the rumors were true about this starter set having a DA and a CSM version instead of being one kit that comes with both forces.

I have a source telling me that there will be three versions:

1) DA+Chaos
2) DA + Terrain
3) Chaos + Terrain

I can't imagine them releasing all those different SKUs. Shelf space is at a premium.

sharkticon wrote:
I have a source telling me that there will be three versions:

1) DA+Chaos
2) DA + Terrain
3) Chaos + Terrain

If this is true I'm prepared to be out about $200+; I'd love some themed terrain for multiple armies!

I believe the new rulebook has hints of the new terrain. I'm looking at several plinths with Admech-looking skulls, in several of the terrain displays.

Aye, really well done themed terrain would be hard to resist.

My main reason for buying Battle for McCragge, and not just getting the mini rulebook off ebay was the downed transport.

Deathwing, with no equipment variety, what a waste.

I am not too impressed with this, especially because of the balance as seen.

Briancj wrote:I believe the new rulebook has hints of the new terrain. I'm looking at several plinths with Admech-looking skulls, in several of the terrain displays.

The book said to be on the look out for more fortifications in WD on there website I know. So could happen I guess.

I still have the DA sprue from when I made my Thousand sons robed.

So have an DW Assault cannon, and some termie bits on there.

well that doesn't seem balanced, those cultists are gonna fold like paper in front of those terminators and bikes

Who is really shocked that the imperium has an edge as far as points are concerned. Remember AoBR the Orks were short over 100 points. They also could barely deal with the dreadnought. The imperium will always have a better starter set than any other faction. "Good" must *always* prevail. Heil Corpse Emperor!

I mean, I don't intend to play the starter set as a game so it doesn't matter to me; I just want more cool Chaos models!

The only balance I can see from that is some kind of scenario based one. Trying to play even a standard mission with those two forces wouldn't be entertaining in the least.

Brother SRM wrote:I mean, I don't intend to play the starter set as a game so it doesn't matter to me; I just want more cool Chaos models!

I agree. The other starter sets had nice quality snap together models, especially the ICs. I have high hopes for the next boxed game.

I am also pretty psyched about cultists making a comeback.

Brother SRM wrote:Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

I was thinking something along those lines...looks like Chaos is way outgunned there...unless Cultists are far better than it would seem.

Interesting if true. Provided the price (after 25% discount) isn't extortionate, and provided GW haven't done anything else to vex me in the interim (such as continuing to fail to provide me with a decently-cast terminator chaplain), I might yet pick up a copy from Dark Sphere when it's released.

The Deathwing will hopefully be interesting to paint, and will be a characterful add-on for Space Hulk. Also, I'm sure they'll be easily-enough customised to whatever loadouts their new codex allows.

I'll probably pick up the Lord and Dreadnought from a bits supplier, but the rest isnt really that appealing - nice that chaos get cultists and DA get deathwing, but I cant imagine the sculpts being that great.

Fits what has been rumoured for some time now, only with more details on weapon loadout.
BTW this drawing showed up in the 6th edition rulebook, might be a glimpse on how the dreadnought might look:

Yeah I saw that as well. Looks pretty cool I must say. Looking forward to that if that be the case.

Man, that would be awesome to get something like that.

This makes me realize that I should not only finish painting my AoBR set but also the Battle for Macragge one as well!

Contents seem pretty solid to me, nothing that is getting me all excited about it being released but I am still interested. What I am looking forward to seeing the most will be the cultists!

The chaos dread will probably be the number one ebay item out of this set.

I am not too stoked about the contents either. But we'll see what everything actually looks like in a few months I guess.

tokugawa wrote:
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

Assault rifles? No flashlights for the forces of Chaos I see!

Commander Cain wrote:

tokugawa wrote:
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

Assault rifles? No flashlights for the forces of Chaos I see!

Well I guess they want to be in line with FW renegades who use autoguns

I'm excited to see what the Chosen look like, it'll be nice to actually get some new PA CSM.

That dred is forge world. I'm fairly certain, anyway.

Still, i'm looking forward to it. New chaos models, implies there will be a new codex although the addition of allies means that this is no longer certain as the 'cultist's' could just be IG stats for a chaos model until a new codex comes.

In regards to "Chaos are missing out on points" - the starter set forces are meant to be balanced against each other without using any special rules.

Chaos better have some amazing special rules in that case, because looking at the differences in models, Chaos is getting the shaft here. I mean, I'm assuming cultists will be meatshields, not actual offensive units.

To compare, DA are getting 2 HQs, 1 elite, 1 troop, 1 FA.

Chaos get 1 HQ, 2 elites and 1 troop (or 2 troops depending how they're divided up). That troop is potentially a meatshield unit. Except...what will they shield? 7 power armour models and dread? Compared to DA's 12 power armoured models, 5 terminators and 3 bikes.

Also, those pictures are pictures of a FW Chaos Dread.

I assume the cultists have "autoguns".

I hope they are not popular, I would love to pick up a couple hundred or so on the cheap (assuming they look cool)...

Are the marines going to have DA icons on them?

seems likely

CT GAMER wrote:I assume the cultists have "autoguns".

I hope they are not popular, I would love to pick up a couple hundred or so on the cheap (assuming they look cool)...

I hope they look like the DoW2 cultists.

Cerebrium wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:I assume the cultists have "autoguns".

I hope they are not popular, I would love to pick up a couple hundred or so on the cheap (assuming they look cool)...

I hope they look like the DoW2 cultists.

I could work with that...

I don't care how balanced the forces are, they'll just get added to my existing DA and CSM armies. I'm more interested in getting a bunch of cool models for a good price, and the set will probably deliver just like AoBR and IoB did.

squeee, cant wait for this ^.^

too bad the dread looks like a word bearer one :/ I was hoping 6 chosen would point to a slaanesh theme but ho-hum :3

It's the word bearer FW dread in those pics.

Compare the FW Chaos Dread Lascannon.

Uh, where's the content you guys are clearly seeing? I got a link to Chinese Google's search results and I don't see the starter set stuff.

Formosa wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Are the marines going to have DA icons on them?

seems likely

Ugh, way to sell less starter sets GW.

If this starter content is true, I hope it doesnt mean the designer, who is writing the Chaos Codex, had a giant brain fart and is making Power Armored Chaos Marines only elite or 0-1 squad limit.

"Their 10k years old, therefore there must not many around, therefore there should not be many Space marines in the Chaos Armies!"

Phydox wrote:If this starter content is true, I hope it doesnt mean the designer, who is writing the Chaos Codex, had a giant brain fart and is making Power Armored Chaos Marines only elite or 0-1 squad limit.

"Their 10k years old, therefore there must not many around, therefore there should not be many Space marines in the Chaos Armies!"

Are we really gonna be worried about that? And also it seems that these are going to be CSM Chosen, not normal CSM

kenshin620 wrote:

Phydox wrote:If this starter content is true, I hope it doesnt mean the designer, who is writing the Chaos Codex, had a giant brain fart and is making Power Armored Chaos Marines only elite or 0-1 squad limit.

"Their 10k years old, therefore there must not many around, therefore there should not be many Space marines in the Chaos Armies!"

Are we really gonna be worried about that? And also it seems that these are going to be CSM Chosen, not normal CSM

Yeah, judging by this, Chosen are getting rather huge buff, if they're basically equating 6 of them to a full tactical squad.

I cant wait to see the new set. Say what you like about GW, their new stuff always seems to get better and better.

I thought the plastic SM in AOBR were excellent when I first saw them, as was the captain and the Warboss/Deffkoptas. I think cos we see so many of them we get immunised against them, but they ARE great sculpts, and I am sure they will do another great job here.

Im really looking forward to seeing the new DW stuff.. how hoofing were the SH terminators?

Im confident anyway..

lord_blackfang wrote:I don't care how balanced the forces are, they'll just get added to my existing DA and CSM armies. I'm more interested in getting a bunch of cool models for a good price, and the set will probably deliver just like AoBR and IoB did.

This. Especially since I play both.

And with 20% discount at your FLGS (well at mine anyway) who wouldn't be tempted to buy this?

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:And with 20% discount at your FLGS (well at mine anyway) who wouldn't be tempted to buy this?

People who don't play CSm or Dark Angels. I'm sure everything in the box will be great I just think they are missing a trick if they don't make the DA iconography separate fromthe models so the market is opened up to all marine players, which let's face it is the bulk of 40k players.

When is it rumored to come out.

sharkticon wrote:

morgendonner wrote:I'm just curious if the rumors were true about this starter set having a DA and a CSM version instead of being one kit that comes with both forces.

I have a source telling me that there will be three versions:

1) DA+Chaos
2) DA + Terrain
3) Chaos + Terrain

That would actually be really cool if that was true. My friend plays Dark Angels and I play Chaos so I know we'll be getting that Starter set. However if there's also a Chaos force and terrain I can see getting that one too!

DiRTWaL wrote:When is it rumored to come out.

September IIRC.

Cerebrium wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:I assume the cultists have "autoguns".

I hope they are not popular, I would love to pick up a couple hundred or so on the cheap (assuming they look cool)...

I hope they look like the DoW2 cultists.

Mother of god, I would love it if they were.

tokugawa wrote:
Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

I'd bet that the HQ is actually Chaos Sorcerer. It would seem bizarre to have a set where Chaos does not have any access to powers, and Loyalists do.

Other than that, looks good, my only complaint is that it's very similar to 5th Edition starter.

So... this means the chaos dex must be coming out with/before the starter set, right? Since cultists aren't in the current dex?

Meaning... it's coming soon?? That'd be really cool...

RiTides wrote:So... this means the chaos dex must be coming out with/before the starter set, right? Since cultists aren't in the current dex?

Meaning... it's coming soon?? That'd be really cool...

Unless they pull a fast one and just include Cultist stats and entries in the booklet

"Chaos Cultists may be taken as a troop choice in a CSM army blah blah blah...."

Although as a lot of the rumors point out, CSM are due very soon anyways

Charax wrote:I'll probably pick up the Lord and Dreadnought from a bits supplier, but the rest isnt really that appealing - nice that chaos get cultists and DA get deathwing, but I cant imagine the sculpts being that great.

Why can't you? The sculpts in Black Reach are very good, and the ones in Isle of Blood are even better.

Glorioski wrote:

Formosa wrote:

Glorioski wrote:Are the marines going to have DA icons on them?

seems likely

Ugh, way to sell less starter sets GW.

Yeah, screw them! Since we've totally seen the models and know they have DA iconography on them, right? I doubt they will have iconography on them; while the paint set ones have DA icons, so did the 5th ed paint set Marines. The Marines in Black Reach did not have Ultramarine iconography on them, so I doubt the ones in this box will have DA icons either. If they do that's probably just going to be a little bit of time with a knife and file though, no biggie.

Phydox wrote:If this starter content is true, I hope it doesnt mean the designer, who is writing the Chaos Codex, had a giant brain fart and is making Power Armored Chaos Marines only elite or 0-1 squad limit.

"Their 10k years old, therefore there must not many around, therefore there should not be many Space marines in the Chaos Armies!"

What kind of bogus reasoning is this? Why would you even think this is a remote possibility?

RiTides wrote:So... this means the chaos dex must be coming out with/before the starter set, right? Since cultists aren't in the current dex?

Meaning... it's coming soon?? That'd be really cool...

Rumors are pointing to August or October. Codex: Space Marines came out in October 2008, one month after AoBR, so it's a possibility.

August seems to be Codex CSM and a 2nd wave Daemons.

Thanks for the information tokugawa!
I really like the chaos side of things and I do hope the cultists look bad ass.

Got it, thanks!

kenshin620 wrote:

RiTides wrote:So... this means the chaos dex must be coming out with/before the starter set, right? Since cultists aren't in the current dex?

Meaning... it's coming soon?? That'd be really cool...

Unless they pull a fast one and just include Cultist stats and entries in the booklet

"Chaos Cultists may be taken as a troop choice in a CSM army blah blah blah...."

Naw, they are Guardsmen. Make use of the Ally rules!

I don't mean to sound like a troll here or anything, but it's decisions like this that continually make me realize why I have stopped playing Warhammer 40k and switched over to Warhammer FB and Flames of war. The sheer ignorance and greed that the 40k team shows is mind boggling (thought smart as I understand). I understand that Space marines bring them money and I know that it is the number one product that continues to sell but to see the opening set for a new edition be Space Marines vs Spiky Space Marines is just a staple for the future of 40k.

Games Workshop continues to do what we've been seeing in the last 5 years, all the the Imperium and Space marine armies being done while doing little for the other xeno races. Now I understand I am probably just saying this because I use to play Tau, but even then, the last time Tau were released were 2005, it's been years, where the standard Space Marine codex has been done three times since then (to my limited knowledge, correct me if I am wrong please). The same story goes for Necrons, Dark Eldar, Eldar, CSM, and Tyranids; all these codex's were incredibly old, and were pushed back as far as they could before even Games workshop could not ignore them.

I'm probably just whining and complaining, but the way 6th edition is going shows me no reason to stop playing any of my current games and go back.

Alright...getting off of my soapbox now.

Backfire wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

RiTides wrote:So... this means the chaos dex must be coming out with/before the starter set, right? Since cultists aren't in the current dex?

Meaning... it's coming soon?? That'd be really cool...

Unless they pull a fast one and just include Cultist stats and entries in the booklet

"Chaos Cultists may be taken as a troop choice in a CSM army blah blah blah...."

Naw, they are Guardsmen. Make use of the Ally rules!

guardsmen cant swap their lasgun with a pistol and CC weapon IIRC so it would point to cultists being in the new dex

Any indication on the mini's looks? I am dying for some robed terminators and the ravenwing bikers currently available are pretty good so it would be interesting to see what they do to them in the starter. Some asymetrical robes with battle damage would be nice.

There are stats for stub guns in the back of the rulebook. Any models in the game currently carry those?

Avrik_Shasla wrote:I don't mean to sound like a troll here or anything, but it's decisions like this that continually make me realize why I have stopped playing Warhammer 40k and switched over to Warhammer FB and Flames of war. The sheer ignorance and greed that the 40k team shows is mind boggling (thought smart as I understand). I understand that Space marines bring them money and I know that it is the number one product that continues to sell but to see the opening set for a new edition be Space Marines vs Spiky Space Marines is just a staple for the future of 40k.

Games Workshop continues to do what we've been seeing in the last 5 years, all the the Imperium and Space marine armies being done while doing little for the other xeno races. Now I understand I am probably just saying this because I use to play Tau, but even then, the last time Tau were released were 2005, it's been years, where the standard Space Marine codex has been done three times since then (to my limited knowledge, correct me if I am wrong please). The same story goes for Necrons, Dark Eldar, Eldar, CSM, and Tyranids; all these codex's were incredibly old, and were pushed back as far as they could before even Games workshop could not ignore them.

I'm probably just whining and complaining, but the way 6th edition is going shows me no reason to stop playing any of my current games and go back.

Alright...getting off of my soapbox now.

"GW has preference for Imperial armies" is an old, dead, beaten horse. Current Tau codex was released in 2006, current Space Marine codex in 2008, so yes, you are wrong, there has been ONE Space Marine codex update since the last Tau codex. CSM codex is from 2007, so it is "incredibly" one year older than current Space Marine codex. Tyranid codex was not "incredibly old", current was released in 2010, and previous one was 2005. Now, it is true that Dark Eldar and Necron books were incredibly old when finally replaced, but pretty much same was true for Space Wolves, Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights. Blood Angels had just the miserable WD codex.

I'm afraid you were wrong in nearly everything.

Avrik_Shasla wrote:

Yeah, except you're missing the fact that Dark Eldar and Necrons got updates in the last two years with ranges of new gorgeous models, competitive rules, and so on. Orks have almost everything fleshed out in great plastic kits. Imperium armies do get some favoritism, but xeno armies get theirs too. And is it really greed to make what they know will sell? That just sounds smart to me. Even so, there've been enough riskier endeavours like Dark Eldar to make it worth it.

And considering the new necron flyers and other units, they seem to be in line to be the kings of 6th.

The rumors considering the chaos codec worry me, and the one sidedness of the stuff rumored to be in this set don't seem to help to quell those worries.

Spartan089 wrote:And considering the new necron flyers and other units, they seem to be in line to be the kings of 6th.

The rumors considering the chaos codec worry me, and the one sidedness of the stuff rumored to be in this set don't seem to help to quell those worries.

What worries you about the Chaos codex? Having a fairly one sided starter set doesn't mean much of anything, it just means one side has more toys than the other. Even so, I wouldn't trust this rumor til we had someone in the know confirm it or saw a picture or two.

If it has really cool terrain, I might consider it.
Being an IG player, I might also consider DA as an allied force choice.
It'll be alot of money to spend on top of what I just spent for rules.

Brother SRM wrote:Yeah, except you're missing the fact that Dark Eldar and Necrons got updates in the last two years

How long was it before that, though? That was his point, they made us wait as long as they possibly could, until it had been so long it wasn't funny anymore and they kinda "had" to do something.

Also, I think it's cool if you want the set anyway because the minis are a "deal", but that's not really what the set is for. It's not really intended for veterans to add cheap models to their existing collections, it's supposed to be the entry point for new people wanting to play. With that in mind it's kind of in GW's best interest then to make sure both sides are balanced, lest potential players get turned off because their gakky, fledgling Chaos army gets it's ass stomped in every single game they play with the starter set, and they decide that it's actually not worth investing literally hundreds of dollars into this game if they're going to lose all the time, or skew sales towards Space Marines because it creates the image that they're the "good guys", they're the best army who always wins and everyone else only exists to be their fething punching bag.

tokugawa wrote:The unit entry has been leaked. Just saw it quoted on chinese forum baiduhttp://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D5%BD%B4%B840000 .

DA has :

Captain Balthasar(with power armor, not in TDA)
Librarian(with power armor)
Tactical Sqaud(10 men, with 1 plasma cannon)
Deathwing Squad(5 men, with storm bolters, no Stormshield)
Ravenwing Squad(3 bikes)

Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

Looking at these units, other than an extra HQ, either of these forces could be an allied detachment under the new rules.

Disappointing that one of the SM HQs isn't in TDA.

Based on that list, Dark Angels are going to wipe the floor with that Chaos force.

Avrik_Shasla wrote:The same story goes for Necrons, Dark Eldar, Eldar, CSM, and Tyranids; all these codex's were incredibly old, and were pushed back as far as they could before even Games workshop could not ignore them.

I'm probably just whining and complaining, but the way 6th edition is going shows me no reason to stop playing any of my current games and go back.

Alright...getting off of my soapbox now.

The Necrons and Dark Eldar got LOADS of new miniatures. The DE got a full and glorious revamp by their signature sculptor with numerous vehicle and troops kits in plastic, plus all of the remainder as new sculpts. The Necrons have gotten a ton of kits as well.

I am a SW player, and I waited about 30 months less than DE (though more than 9 years since summer 2000) and I got PA (5 troops, plus some variety), TDA, and then 2.5 years later, Thunderwolves and FenWolves. No bigs. I was happy to get my revamp, and happy to see others get theirs.

I am jealous of the DE, so much so I bought some of the kits just for how awesome they were. Probably the best range in the game.

Break --

I was hoping for a DW Terminator Captain, but as long as the sculpts are good (SHulk quality), I'll be happy regardless.

Harriticus wrote:Based on that list, Dark Angels are going to wipe the floor with that Chaos force.

Assuming the new Chaos Codex doesn't drop before the starter set and give all the Chaos units more muscle.... :-P

Did you see the old Dark Eldar miniature range? It needed the revamp. If the Space Wolves model range were anywhere even close to the same kind of ugly then I could maybe see a reason to be jealous that you didn't get the same treatment, but as it is?

Kroothawk wrote:Fits what has been rumoured for some time now, only with more details on weapon loadout.
BTW this drawing showed up in the 6th edition rulebook, might be a glimpse on how the dreadnought might look:

That is, for the most part, just the FW chassis.

Ouze wrote:Uh, where's the content you guys are clearly seeing? I got a link to Chinese Google's search results and I don't see the starter set stuff.

It's on Baidu. Sergeant Raphael is armed with a plasma pistol, not the previously rumored combi weapon.

dienekes96 wrote:

Avrik_Shasla wrote:The same story goes for Necrons, Dark Eldar, Eldar, CSM, and Tyranids; all these codex's were incredibly old, and were pushed back as far as they could before even Games workshop could not ignore them.

I'm probably just whining and complaining, but the way 6th edition is going shows me no reason to stop playing any of my current games and go back.

Alright...getting off of my soapbox now.

The Necrons and Dark Eldar got LOADS of new miniatures. The DE got a full and glorious revamp by their signature sculptor with numerous vehicle and troops kits in plastic, plus all of the remainder as new sculpts. The Necrons have gotten a ton of kits as well.

I am a SW player, and I waited about 30 months less than DE (though more than 9 years since summer 2000) and I got PA (5 troops, plus some variety), TDA, and then 2.5 years later, Thunderwolves and FenWolves. No bigs. I was happy to get my revamp, and happy to see others get theirs.

I am jealous of the DE, so much so I bought some of the kits just for how awesome they were. Probably the best range in the game.

Break --

I was hoping for a DW Terminator Captain, but as long as the sculpts are good (SHulk quality), I'll be happy regardless.

You also got a couple of new special characters... plus, in the intervening years, you got the land raider crusader/redeemer kit, full plastic attack bikes, redone rhino/razorback/predator/whirlwind/vindicator kits, redone plastic scouts and devastators, plastic dreadnought, drop pod, etc while the Dark Eldar got nothing. They may not be specifically ONLY space wolf kits but they came out in the intervening years and you've had full access to them since the new codex (and most with the prior one as well as they were redesigned versions of older models). Let's not pull the "woe is me!" card for any marines just yet.

Sidstyler wrote:Also, I think it's cool if you want the set anyway because the minis are a "deal", but that's not really what the set is for. It's not really intended for veterans to add cheap models to their existing collections, it's supposed to be the entry point for new people wanting to play. With that in mind it's kind of in GW's best interest then to make sure both sides are balanced, lest potential players get turned off because their gakky, fledgling Chaos army gets it's ass stomped in every single game they play with the starter set, and they decide that it's actually not worth investing literally hundreds of dollars into this game if they're going to lose all the time, or skew sales towards Space Marines because it creates the image that they're the "good guys", they're the best army who always wins and everyone else only exists to be their fething punching bag.

I agree wholeheartedly. The starter set should show off a bit more variety than this, and be more balanced. Compare this to the Warmachine and Hordes two-player starter sets. Those are two fully playable armies out of the box and are balanced against each other. Now, with 40k needing more models to play I'm not expeciting full legal armies (HQ and 2 troops) but it would be nice to see two forces that can go up against each other in a fair fight, and to show off more aspects of the game than marines to give a taste of what the whole game is like. In that regard, the cultists are a step in the right direction, but it's still mostly marines vs marines...

From these rumors, I'd say AoBR was more successful as an intro to the game.

The Dark Angels list has 2 weapon entries for AP2 double strength melee weapons, so it appears that there is a Thunder Hammer in there somewhere, I suspect the Terminators aren't all storm bolter and power fist.

Drunkspleen wrote:The Dark Angels list has 2 weapon entries for AP2 double strength melee weapons, so it appears that there is a Thunder Hammer in there somewhere, I suspect the Terminators aren't all storm bolter and power fist.

That would be the chainfist entry.

The Terminator squad has a standard sergeant SB + PW, 1 Assault cannon + P fist, 2 SB + P fist, 1 SB + chainfist

Power fists are AP2 double strength melee weapons, or did that change? I haven't gotten my rulebook yet.

EDIT: Oh you meant two different weapons, not two occurances of that, my bad.

BDJV wrote:That would be the chainfist entry.

The Terminator squad has a standard sergeant SB + PW, 1 Assault cannon + P fist, 2 SB + P fist, 1 SB + chainfist

Ah right, forgot about the chainfist, that makes a lot more sense given the length of their names too.

SPaint read the Chinese, I posted the weapons list based on stats, and TheDude put it together to get a potential content list.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?343627-Official-Warseer-6th-Ed-Starter-Set-Thread-%28Summary-in-first-post%29/page16

Via TheDude:
Captain Balthasar: w/ Power Armour, Combi-Plasma, Frag & Krak grenades

Librarian Raphael: w/ Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Frag & Krak grenades

Deathwing Squad: Sergeant w/ Storm Bolter & Power Sword, 1 w/ Assault Cannon & Power Fist and 3 w/ Storm Bolter & Power Fist

Tactical Sqaud: Sergeant w/ Bolt Pistol & Close Combat Weapon and 9 Marines, 1 w/ Plasma Cannon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun, 7 w/ Bolters. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades

Ravenwing Squad: Sergeant w/ Bolt Pistol & Close Combat Weapon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun and 1 regular. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades


Chaos Lord: Power Armour, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

Cultist squad 1: Cultist leader w/ two Close Combat Weapons and 9 Cultists, one w/ Flamer, 8 w/ Close Combat Weapons & Autopistols

Cultist squad 2: Cultist leader w/ Close Combat Weapon & (possibly) Shotgun and 9 Cultist, 1 w/ (possibly) Heavy Stubber and 8 w/ Autoguns


Edit: update from Spaint:
Sorry, there are some omissions in your list but I'm on a phone right now so it's harder to check.
Balthazar has a power sword.
Raphael is the tac squad leader and he has a plasma pistol.
One of the terminators has a chainfist.

Thanks guys for the pages and translations! Still reading threw everything now.
^^

so is there a cultist model?

after years of playing DoW i never even thought twice about the cultist model they had.. on the games workshop website i cant find a cultist model? does this mean they are new?

I updated The Dude's list on Warseer:

Captain Balthasar: w/ Power Armour, Power sword, Combi-Plasma, Frag & Krak grenades

Librarian Termiel(?): w/ Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Frag & Krak grenades

Deathwing Squad Balachar(?): Sergeant w/ Storm Bolter & Power Sword, 1 w/ Assault Cannon & Power Fist, 1 w/ Storm Bolter & Chainfist and 2 w/ Storm Bolter & Power Fist

Tactical Squad Raphael: Sergeant w/ Plasma Pistol & Chainsword and 9 Marines, 1 w/ Plasma Cannon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun, 7 w/ Bolters. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades

Ravenwing Squad Allian(?): Sergeant w/ Chainsword, 1 w/ Plasma Gun and 1 w/ Bolt Pistol. All with twin-linked bolters and Frag & Krak grenades


Chaos Lord: Power Armour, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

Cultist squad 1: Cultist leader w/ two Close Combat Weapons and 9 Cultists, one w/ Flamer, 8 w/ Close Combat Weapons & Autopistols

Cultist squad 2: Cultist leader w/ Close Combat Weapon & (possibly) Shotgun and 9 Cultist, 1 w/ (possibly) Heavy Stubber and 8 w/ Autoguns

angryboy2k wrote:
Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

That sounds badass. The cultists are total cannon fodder but these two units seem like they'll cut through most of the DA units like butter.

I also love that the Chosen have tons of different weapons, hopefully some better stats too!

Vladsimpaler wrote:

angryboy2k wrote:


That sounds badass. The cultists are total cannon fodder but these two units seem like they'll cut through most of the DA units like butter.

I also love that the Chosen have tons of different weapons, hopefully some better stats too!

Stats are on the previous page. The Chosen are 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 9 3+

angryboy2k wrote:
Stats are on the previous page. The Chosen are 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 9 3+

Oh wow, I just saw that. That's pretty lame that they just have Chaos Marine stats but that's life! I'm sure they will be great models in any case. :3

There is only one thing that worries me regarding this Starter Set.
Since the starter painting set has shoulderpads modelled with Dark Angel iconography, should we expect the Starter Set to feature similar iconography? I would not like that at all, since I would love to use these for my own DIY chapter.

Get your modeling knife out. Scrape scrape.

If they are robed, they'll make good Sternguard.

Well, except for the fact that the models with Storm Bolters would be wearing Terminator armour of course.

I meant the bolter armed marines. Typically Dark Angels = Robes.

The Terminators just scrape scrape you have terminators. Buy CMLs off the internet, have a party.

2500kgm3 wrote:There is only one thing that worries me regarding this Starter Set.
Since the starter painting set has shoulderpads modelled with Dark Angel iconography, should we expect the Starter Set to feature similar iconography? I would not like that at all, since I would love to use these for my own DIY chapter.

The starter painting set had Marines with Ultramarines iconography on them too for 5th, yet the actual starter set had bare shoulders. I wouldn't expect anything different.

Crazyterran wrote:I meant the bolter armed marines. Typically Dark Angels = Robes.

The Terminators just scrape scrape you have terminators. Buy CMLs off the internet, have a party.

Not really typically; they just kinda get thrown in there here and there. Even so, Marines in robes is something you can have in any chapter really.

Crazyterran wrote:I meant the bolter armed marines. Typically Dark Angels = Robes.

The Terminators just scrape scrape you have terminators. Buy CMLs off the internet, have a party.

Its actually been only their veterans and leadership that have the robes. In a 10 man tact squad, you'd only have the sergeant wearing them.

For the termies, I wonder if they'll be lazy and just rejig some of the SpaceHulk models? Not that there was anything wrong with those models, I'm not complaining...

Brother SRM wrote:

sharkticon wrote:
I have a source telling me that there will be three versions:

1) DA+Chaos
2) DA + Terrain
3) Chaos + Terrain

If this is true I'm prepared to be out about $200+; I'd love some themed terrain for multiple armies!

If they all come with the mini-rulebook, I'll probably pick one team or the other based on appearance, and just stick with that. Not sure what I'd do with two armies, and my Tyranids...

MandalorynOranj wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. The starter set should show off a bit more variety than this, and be more balanced. Compare this to the Warmachine and Hordes two-player starter sets. Those are two fully playable armies out of the box and are balanced against each other. Now, with 40k needing more models to play I'm not expeciting full legal armies (HQ and 2 troops) but it would be nice to see two forces that can go up against each other in a fair fight, and to show off more aspects of the game than marines to give a taste of what the whole game is like. In that regard, the cultists are a step in the right direction, but it's still mostly marines vs marines...

From these rumors, I'd say AoBR was more successful as an intro to the game.

However, AOBR had almost exact same imbalance in forces. I don't think it's much of a problem, really. Not that many people are going to play starter forces straight 1 vs 1.

Yeah, I think I'll be picking this up and swapping with a friend to get his DA stuff. More bikes and terminators are always welcome.

yeah it seems like an unblanaced army... i never got Assult on black reach... however i did have battle for macrage.. which had a lot less models i know but i remeber that the missions only allowed you to use certain models each game. it was actually really fun slowly introducing models.

so you could start with and 5 space marines on a patrol and they spot some cultists, then the battle esxalates and both sides call for some back up and then 5 more marines join and more chaos to.. then it can be a battle on the other side of the planet between the terminators and chaos lord and choosen ones.. you all get the idea hahaha

Viagrus wrote:Who is really shocked that the imperium has an edge as far as points are concerned. Remember AoBR the Orks were short over 100 points. They also could barely deal with the dreadnought. The imperium will always have a better starter set than any other faction. "Good" must *always* prevail. Heil Corpse Emperor!

We are talking about the same Starter Set? The dread was easy to deal with the Deffkoptas, and the marines had a very hard day fighting those orks, at least on my games with a budy... wich barely had 3 pieces of terrain in it.

Warboss atached in the boyz, and nobz squad coming behind... The terminators rarely done something (beside some shooting, and a subsequent death to the boyz), and the tacticals always had bad days with the nobz... Not to mention the poor space marines comander, who always failed to kill the warboss, wich ended killing it with instadeath power punches...

Good ork old days those...


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Oh, and i really want to see those cultists after all...

It's true the armies don't look that balanced, but the scenarios will probably be the tactical squad Vs the cultists or there will be a scenario rule that allows the cultists to be recycled when they are destroyed. In other words, the balance is no big deal, and most people will be after the rulebook and minis anyway.

So, through those scanned pages, it seems the cultist statline is:

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
3 3 3 3 1 3 1 7 6+

Effectively guardsmen then. Pretty much what we expected in that case.

The unit entry has been leaked. Just saw it quoted on chinese forum baiduhttp://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D5%BD%B4%B840000 .

DA has :

Captain Balthasar(with power armor, not in TDA)
Librarian(with power armor)
Tactical Sqaud(10 men, with 1 plasma cannon)
Deathwing Squad(5 men, with storm bolters, no Stormshield)
Ravenwing Squad(3 bikes)

Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

found this on warseer and this may be the stat sheet for the above squads
[/url]http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?331635-6th-edition-starter-set

please feel free to tanslate this in to english as you wish as I am not that linguisticly gifted

Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

This would have been so much nicer to see

Chaplain
15 scout
5 CCW Terminators
Land speeder

the chaos part are grate cant wait too se the modells

I'd say it's perfect for Dark Angels. A mix of regular marines, deathwing and ravenwing.

Cerebrium wrote:I'd say it's perfect for Dark Angels. A mix of regular marines, deathwing and ravenwing.

And also units that can fit fairly well into most other SM armies.

Really hope the cultists follow the graphical look from DoW2. Would love to have a mental army of those. Hmmm... may need to reboot The Purge...

Cerebrium wrote:I'd say it's perfect for Dark Angels. A mix of regular marines, deathwing and ravenwing.

Well so is black reach , only the biks are a new unit

we alla have a ton off boring taq marines ( Black reach , battle for macragge , paint set )
Capitan and terminators are in BR too , almost the same weapons too so nothing "new"

Claimh_Solais wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:I'd say it's perfect for Dark Angels. A mix of regular marines, deathwing and ravenwing.

Well so is black reach , only the biks are a new unit

we alla have a ton off boring taq marines ( Black reach , battle for macragge , paint set )
Capitan and terminators are in BR too , almost the same weapons too so nothing "new"

Did you really expect a massive shakeup to the loyalist side? You get tacticals, captains, terminators generally, because they're good and all marine players want at least those.

Wow, looks pretty good to me.
Especially if the three separate box sets are true.

Cerebrium wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:I'd say it's perfect for Dark Angels. A mix of regular marines, deathwing and ravenwing.

Well so is black reach , only the biks are a new unit

we alla have a ton off boring taq marines ( Black reach , battle for macragge , paint set )
Capitan and terminators are in BR too , almost the same weapons too so nothing "new"

Did you really expect a massive shakeup to the loyalist side? You get tacticals, captains, terminators generally, because they're good and all marine players want at least those.

Yeah I hoped for more interesting units for the loyalist sida

as a marine player myself I dont see why I would want more taq marines and capitans

Claimh_Solais wrote:
Yeah I hoped for more interesting units for the loyalist sida

as a marine player myself I dont see why I would want more taq marines and capitans

But as a starter set, it's perfect for someone that's only starting.

The separate sets complete it well, so veterans get something more specific.

I hope the special sets have nice terrain kits, there are a lot of things in the terrain section that need models.

Claimh_Solais wrote:Yeah I hoped for more interesting units for the loyalist sida

as a marine player myself I dont see why I would want more taq marines and capitans

You know it's not aimed at people with an established army right? It's a starter set. It's meant for another target audience.

Hint - the clue is in starter set somewhere.

Don't current deathwing have power weapons instead of power fists? I guess they'll be changing them to be more consistent with the standard marines?

Hopefully the models really stand out. If it's the same terminators and lame bikers it's going to be a major let down.

Cant wait, cant wait, cant wait....

Gonna start me an army of spikey boyz. Might even put those robed gitz to use and start an army of them too if only for Deathwing and ravenwing lists. Like CT Gamer im kinda hoping to pick up and tonne of cultists for cheaps.


Edit: To that effect i wonder if the DA tac squad are gonna be robed?

Typically it's only sergeants and up that wear robes. Average tactical marines don't.

Im really excited actually. I might pick it up just to teach my little brothers the game, or if the model + terain boxes are real, start up my second army in the form of chaos or mixed DA.

-Loki- wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Yeah I hoped for more interesting units for the loyalist sida

as a marine player myself I dont see why I would want more taq marines and capitans

You know it's not aimed at people with an established army right? It's a starter set. It's meant for another target audience.

Hint - the clue is in starter set somewhere.

Yes of course i know that ...please
but the new players are only a small part of people how buy the box

And as a new player you can play/start a army just as easy with more exiting units then taq squads and capitans in PA

Chaplains ans scouts will serv that purpes just as good but be more exiting then the same old taq marines

(but yeah I will wait and see the modells first go get a real opinion on them ...but I fear its the same marines as in BR)

No, most of the people who buy the box are new players. You're mistaking people who buy when it comes out with people who buy over a the entirety of the edition.

Yup, it's entirely intended for new players to get two small armies. People buying them to bolster an existing army are an afterthought.

And it's not really meant to be "exciting" units. 99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Cerebrium wrote:And it's not really meant to be "exciting" units. 99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

This is key here as well. It's not meant to be exciting units, it's meant to cover a large amount of different units. And that's what this does.

It covers bikes, light infantry (Cultists), medium infantry (Space Marines), heavy infantry (Terminators), elite infantry (Chosen), heroes, psychic powers (librarian) and vehicles (dreadnought).

That's all it does. It's something for two people to buy and learn as much of the game as possible with that purchase.

I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Therion wrote:

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Nah, with those kind of numbers, I'd expect Cultists are getting their own kit.

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

Cerebrium wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping GW doesn't pull something like they did with the Ork kopters... It'll be annoying IF this is the only way to get cultists.

Nah, with those kind of numbers, I'd expect Cultists are getting their own kit.

See, now you're just speaking rationally. I'm sure they'll eventually get a box set of some sort... but what GW has done in the past where something is "adequete" until they get around to doing it properly. Where being in the starter set maybe justification for lowering how much of a priority a new kit may have in favor of something else.

Me, I have my cultists from the Lost and the Damned days, I just want to see other people able to do armies of cultists.

Cerebrium wrote:

Therion wrote:

99% of marine players, at some point, will need a tactical squad, a captain and some terminators.

I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

I'd like to be one of the 1% and only use termies/bikes. Providing Deathwing/Ravenwing don't get nerfed which i doubt they will.

There were rumors months back that the defkopptas were getting a kit of 3 that were only slightly larger than the current ones iirc.

Cultists will no doubt be an early set though as the codex is being completely redone. If they are going to seriously keep all the current models there isn't much that will need to be redone but cultists.

I'm wondering if keeping those boxes of zombies and Cadians was a good idea, now...

Am curious to know if these will be Finecost Patended Pox Paste, or if they will be plastic.

When the pictures show up, please don't be stingy with them.


Curious, but not overly confident that this is going to go over well.

Good luck, either way.

They will probably just recycle the tacticals and termies from black reach to save on sculpting time so don't expect too much DA iconography on them.

Grot 6 wrote:I'm wondering if keeping those boxes of zombies and Cadians was a good idea, now...

Am curious to know if these will be Finecost Patended Pox Paste, or if they will be plastic.

When the pictures show up, please don't be stingy with them.


Curious, but not overly confident that this is going to go over well.

Good luck, either way.

If the entire set isn't plastic, I'll eat my own shoes.

Starter kits are ALWAYS plastic.

spaceXjam wrote:so is there a cultist model?

That's what the official ones looked like when they were released years and years ago.

They have several different ones in the Forgeworld lines.

IIRC, they had some Blood Pact, from the Tanith days in there, somewhere.

Therion wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

Well competitive players are not the people GW are aiming this game at, 40k is not really much of a competitive game anyway, at least thats how GW see it.
Most SM players i have played with all have Terminators or regular marine figures in their army somewhere.
Just because it blows in your uber tourneys does not mean that most people playing 40k will not use them.

You know....

This batch of stuff might be a cool start up for a warband, if in fact this is going to be the beginnings of the army.

I for one would like to play a batch of these guys in a skermish/ ladder game.

A fine start to what would become a chaos warband.

Play with the heros with some cannon fodder in there. let them fight it out on a space hulk board/ boarding action of a ship.

Or even fight for slaves/ resources, where at the end of the day, your fighting in there DOW style.


Hmmm.....


I may just have to get in on that chaos book, after all.


Chaos, Take my soul!!!

with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

starchild wrote:So, no Chosen then, just a regular squad of CSM apparently. For the sake of Chaos players I hope they're radically different than the current multipart boxed set.

edit: btw, Dark Angels don't have captains. They have Company Masters.

MajorWesJanson wrote:Huh? The unit of 6 is Chosen, not normal CSM. All Chosen are is basically a Veteran CSM squad, and these guys have a large variety of special CC weapons.

@MajorWes: That's not a veteran statline. Chosen are supposed to have 2 attacks each, unless this was a mistake but it looks rather official. :(

Yeah what Grot said.

I'm waiting on a Collectors Edition at the moment but after the amount of use I got out of the mini rulebook for 5th I'm looking to get the 6th Ed one ASAP.

Previously I got it form a bitz shop but looking at how pretty the models are in GW starter sets these days i'll get the whole shebang since I have neither of these forces, especially if the cultists are as good as I hope, plus there is bount to be some terrain bits too.

I'm just glad it's not more orks or nambypamby Eldar!

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

This would have been so much nicer to see

Chaplain
15 scout
5 CCW Terminators
Land speeder

the chaos part are grate cant wait too se the modells

I too want a bizarre mix of models that few people want. Scouts aren't terribly popular, and aren't "Dark Angels" at all. Deathwing, Ravenwing, and some battle company Marines are a far better representation of a Dark Angels army.

Kroothawk wrote:

starchild wrote:So, no Chosen then, just a regular squad of CSM apparently. For the sake of Chaos players I hope they're radically different than the current multipart boxed set.

edit: btw, Dark Angels don't have captains. They have Company Masters.

MajorWesJanson wrote:Huh? The unit of 6 is Chosen, not normal CSM. All Chosen are is basically a Veteran CSM squad, and these guys have a large variety of special CC weapons.

@MajorWes: That's not a veteran statline. Chosen are supposed to have 2 attacks each, unless this was a mistake but it looks rather official. :(

Chosen only have one attack each in the current codex; the only thing that makes them veterans is the Infiltrate rule and access to more weapons.

Formosa wrote:with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

This has possibilities....


I really like that idea. Then just up and add in a leman russ, or a demon engine, and away you go.

Sick, Demonhood approaches!

Muh ha ha ha!!

Grot 6 wrote:

Formosa wrote:with this boxset it will be easy to make a fallen army with the minimum of conversion work

This has possibilities....


I really like that idea. Then just up and add in a leman russ, or a demon engine, and away you go.

Sick, Demonhood approaches!

Muh ha ha ha!!

Oh my. Cultist models could make VERY good traitor guard models.

Therion wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:
Then you're the 1%. Congrats. Again, 99% of marine players will need these.

If I was being unclear, I disagree with you. Competitive players will rarely or never need any of those and believe it or not more than 1% of the player base care what they have in their army list. Everything in that package blows. That said it's still a good box for two new people just starting the game, while also being good for advanced hobbyists who will just splice and dice everything into bits and convert something useful out of them.

so space marines are viable without any tactical squad? what troop choice do you take?....

Minimum scouts?

Or... a variant that uses other unit types as troops - like Blood Angels, for example?

I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

You know. I'm excited for this set for 2 reasons.

1)Plastic Cultists.
2)Source of Plastic PA Chaos Lighting Claws! O______O

I'm surprised more chaos players aren't excited for that inclusion alone!

This box set looks like an excellent excuse to build a Fallen DA army.

Anpu42 wrote:I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

And far too many of those damn Red Whippy Sticks.

Cerebrium wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

And far too many of those damn Red Whippy Sticks.

But those are so fun to use as whips

But yea, having bunches of dice and templates and extra rulebooks is the downside of buying too many starters. Hopefully there will be a lot of ebay/bitz shop action

Cerebrium wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

And far too many of those damn Red Whippy Sticks.

I usauly cut one up into 6" and 12" Lengths for easy Quick Measuering and the rest make great Tank Traps.

I might pick up the plastic bikes. I wonder how those will be assembled?

hotsauceman1 wrote:I might pick up the plastic bikes. I wonder how those will be assembled?

I'll assume it will be much like the Deffkoptas in Black reach. Two main halves, plus arms and body/head for a rider. I'm pulling this out of thin air though; just thinking how it can work.

Hm, the space marine bike is over a decade old, I hope they revamp the basic design a bit, at least.

Well i hope they can be a cheap and good way to make a bike based command squad. I want to make one with all power lances.

Cerebrium wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

And far too many of those damn Red Whippy Sticks.

I used my like, 15 of those buggers to make my own Lightning Claws.

Super effective.

Also - I'll be curious to see exactly where they go with the power weapons on the characters. If they give Chaos all Power Maces I will facepalm properly.

I sincerely hope they got rid of the old rickety "Firearms" rules renegade guard/mutants had when they were last introduced. "Gets hot" on most of the guns you have was horrible.

Lost and the Damned Army for 13th Black Crusade for those that missed the reference.

I doubt they'll use those old rules, the FW renegades had nothing of the sort

Ok, on the Challenges:
>Some said they the two Challengers Fought until one was dead, and then you moved on.

Does it say anything about WYSIWYG “Power Weapons?”
>I have a Wolf Priest armed with a Power Axe, is a Power Maul or is it a Power Axe?

Warp Charges:
>The little I have gotten to Read is it you get 1 Charge per Turn or one Per Turn, Per Level?

Anpu42 wrote:Ok, on the Challenges:
>Some said they the two Challengers Fought until one was dead, and then you moved on.

Does it say anything about WYSIWYG “Power Weapons?”
>I have a Wolf Priest armed with a Power Axe, is a Power Maul or is it a Power Axe?

Warp Charges:
>The little I have gotten to Read is it you get 1 Charge per Turn or one Per Turn, Per Level?

Wrong thread?

really? Marines Vs Marines?? Jerks....

Buuuut because it's Chaos I will probably buy it anyway.

No termies = fail

Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Is this a glimpse at the future of the new Ravenwing, or perhaps Vanguard Veteran bikers? Hopefully with both boltpistol and CCW.

logg_frogg wrote:really? Marines Vs Marines?? Jerks....

Buuuut because it's Chaos I will probably buy it anyway.

No termies = fail

Just chaos up those deathwing.

I'd certainly be interested in a DA starter but; If the marines and terminators are just the black reach models with just reworked shoulder pads I'd think twice about buying it. And seeing as the new 40k paint set comes with these 'new' marine sculpts its not looking really promising at the moment. Don't get me wrong: I've bought a few minis from the last box set; just feel it would be boring to paint the exact same figs again, even with added DA icons.

Looks nice. If they did do 3 separate box sets (I doubt it though) then I would be interested in the Chaos one. I'll probably end up getting the starter anyway.

pretre wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:oops you are right, i am only following 4-6 atm

Wrong thread?

Posting a quote/image/emoticon with no additional commentary is considered spam at Dakka, please avoid this in the future, thank you - MT11

Anpu42 wrote:I actually have picked up 3 AoBR sets. Mostly because it gave me cheep Terminators and Dreads. As for the new one I amprobably also going to pick up 3. this will give me 9 bike, than all I need is a Land Speeder and Attack Bike and I already got extra of those. The Terminators, Taticals and the Chaos will be a good solid start on a Chaos Army.

That is not why I am buying the 1st one though: It’s to get a rule book that I wont be afraid to take out of the house and possibly damage. With 3 of the little books I can lend one out to the “New Guy” and not be afraid of my $75 book getting trashed. Back in 4th with Battle of Mac, I had a hard cover and three little books and I always reached for the little books because it was easier to use. I just wish you could by the Little Books on their own.

The only problem with this bit is I now have about 20 Scatter Dice.

Well, you could always run a deathwing army. take all of those termanators and switch around the gear within the new boxed sets, and the dark angels sprues that are running around, before thier prices go up.

You can never have too many scatter dice, as well. THOSE come in handy when your dropping in behind enemy lines, at least until they decide to nerf deep strikes.

The link is rather... well... impossible to read. Can someone post the pics for the Chinese-illiterate?

Anyone else thought of "commandeering" the bikes for Nurgle marine use???

Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Is this a glimpse at the future of the new Ravenwing, or perhaps Vanguard Veteran bikers? Hopefully with both boltpistol and CCW.

Well in a way the Ravenwing and Deathwing are effectively Vets. So it kinda makes sense to me.

I still don't like to assault with my bikes, but it sure as heck makes them better if they do get assaulted. I am so excited for the new DA Codex.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:The link is rather... well... impossible to read. Can someone post the pics for the Chinese-illiterate?

THEN that would be NEW news about 40K, and fully against the terms of the information war that GW is conducting against us.

You know, because... a little knowledge on a upcoming purchase is a horrible thing.

Thanks for posting this.

tokugawa wrote:
Chaos part:
Lord(in power armor)
Chaos Dread(with tl-melta and DCCW)
Chosen(6 men, with power maul, power fist and lightning claw)
Cultists(20 men, half with ccw and pistol, the other half have assault rifle)

I've no real interest in the Dark Angels stuff. I've got a nice BA army, and I have no desire to shave off what I'm sure will be ridiculous amounts of DA iconography. Still, while I'm not terribly interested in having a Chaos army, the contents of the Chaos side would be fun to buy just to paint and convert with.

For me it will all come down to price and contents. If GW tries to get me to pay the price of Black Reach for only one army, I'll just wait to find the mini-rulebook on ebay. If it's the same price for both (trade off the DA), or a lower price for one army, I may just buy an entire starter.

Fingers crossed....

pretre wrote:Just chaos up those deathwing.

It is my dream... that one day GW, gets to a point where the distinctiveness of Chaos will make that too difficult to be worthwhile. The aesthetic limitation of marines+spikes will hopefully come to an end and allow GW to play with more organic and possessed forms for Chaos marines, embracing in appreciable manner the physical distinctions of chaos from loyalists as the fluff and artwork have shown.

There is a distinctive difference between creative conversion work, to thematically meld concepts with existing models, and just cheapening the hobby by not wanting to spend money on the actual model. Some people get it, some people don't. It comes down to respecting the time and energy that others put into their hobby. I'm not saying you do this, but some will follow this without any real intent.

Okay, fine. Just renegade up those deathwing.

I get what you're saying, but asking everyone to have the same high standards of model conversion is just not going to happen. We can't even get a good chunk of people to paint their damn models. :(

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.


To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Good pick-up.

Note that they also appear to have done away with the 4(5) Toughness notation, and just gone with T5 that it becomes under the new multi-toughness rules anyway.

Are there actual pictures on that site? I didn't see them.

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.


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Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

I am not sure why this rumor is particularly credible? Baidu is a search engine not a forum. Did i miss something, who exactly "leaked" this?

I just realized. Plastic librarian, finally!!

pretre wrote:Are there actual pictures on that site? I didn't see them.

Yes, other than the "Hellbeast" Dreadnought, is there any other evidence of the contents other than Chinese stat-sheets?

aka_mythos wrote:

pretre wrote:Just chaos up those deathwing.

It is my dream... that one day GW, gets to a point where the distinctiveness of Chaos will make that too difficult to be worthwhile. The aesthetic limitation of marines+spikes will hopefully come to an end and allow GW to play with more organic and possessed forms for Chaos marines, embracing in appreciable manner the physical distinctions of chaos from loyalists as the fluff and artwork have shown.

I understand your frustrations. I'm as annoyed as the next guy by unimaginative marine-to-Chaos conversions.

However, remember that in much of the models, fluff and art, from the present back to 2nd edition, there are many instances of Chaos Marines that don't differ terribly from regular marines. Many chaos marines are not as different from loyalist marines as the Imperium would have you believe.

As long as the weaponry is WYSIWYG and the iconography has been changed, I've no problem with regular marines converted to chaos. Especially when the base models are from such tainted and/or shamed chapters as the DA and BA.

aka_mythos wrote:There is a distinctive difference between creative conversion work, to thematically meld concepts with existing models, and just cheapening the hobby by not wanting to spend money on the actual model. Some people get it, some people don't. It comes down to respecting the time and energy that others put into their hobby.

As to this, as long as GW models have cost more than most everyone elses, there's been a long and glorious tradition of modding up cheaper models to serve as more expensive ones. Whether to save $ or just to have a character that isn't exactly like everyone else's, this trend isn't going away soon. The best we can do is encourage good conversions and for folks to actually paint their models (a whole other can-o-worms).

insaniak wrote:

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

Yes, but DA are 4th Edition book. Chaplains and Librarians had that same statline in all Marine books until 5th edition books, where it has changed to I4, A2.

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Backfire wrote:Other small observations: Librarian is I5 A3, unlike 5th Edition Marine librarians/etc second tier HQ choices, which were nerfed to I4 A2. BS4 still though. Chaos Dread still has 3 attacks, unlike Loyalist Dreads which have just 2.

Dark Angels Librarians are I5 with 3 attacks in their codex already.

Yes, but DA are 4th Edition book. Chaplains and Librarians had that same statline in all Marine books until 5th edition books, where it has changed to I4, A2.

I think they are expecting you to use the DA codex with these models though, not the 5th edition books. Plus this also could mean that the next DA book will have a beefed up Libby, much like the BA Reclusiarch is to the chaplain

Chosen with only 1 base attack? Weak-sauce.

This looks like a really lop-sided match-up.

Omegus wrote:Chosen with only 1 base attack? Weak-sauce.

This looks like a really lop-sided match-up.

They, like 40K as a whole, are always slanted towards the IOM.

AOBR was heavily slanted in the Marines favour.

Battle for Macragge was, likewise.

This is to make the new player decide that the other race sucks, and then buy a Marine army, for which there are many codexes and models.


Expecting balance out of GW is like expecting to survive a 200 ft fall. It's possible, but really fething unlikely.

This is really a glorious set for those of who are incredibly cheap. If the Dark Angels are painted as the fallen, and the Chaos are painted to match, one gets 3 HQs, 3 Elites, 3 Troops and a Fast Attack choice. This is probably the most complete starter army GW has released to date.

Gitzbitah wrote:This is really a glorious set for those of who are incredibly cheap. If the Dark Angels are painted as the fallen, and the Chaos are painted to match, one gets 3 HQs, 3 Elites, 3 Troops and a Fast Attack choice. This is probably the most complete starter army GW has released to date.

Oh good shout.

Im not sure why people seem to think its going to have lots of DA iconography, Black Reach never had any on those figures.

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.

Seriously what does he expect? I mean the starter set contains more. How are you going to mix things up any more for Space Marine while keeping it relatively useful as a starter set? The point of it is to portray as wide a variety of the basic variations in the most basic of units. I guess you could have assault marines or even an attack bike but most anything else and you start to depart from the representatively useful.

aka_mythos wrote:

Backfire wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.

To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

GW has put a lot of effort on these starter sets, it was obvious they would not slack this one either. Minor disappointment that much of the Marines side seems largely same as in AOBR, I hope that they are totally new sculpts though.

Seriously what does he expect? I mean the starter set contains more. How are you going to mix things up any more for Space Marine while keeping it relatively useful as a starter set? The point of it is to portray as wide a variety of the basic variations in the most basic of units. I guess you could have assault marines or even an attack bike but most anything else and you start to depart from the representatively useful.

Exactly. Most of the complaints can be summed up as "It doesn't contain what -I- wanted in it". Basically, if it doesn't have what you wanted, it's not for you. And even then, it's probably STILL not TOTALLY intended for you, it's intended for new players.

insaniak wrote:

Claimh_Solais wrote:Really disappointed in the dark angels marines..most boring units , aka green black reach with bikers :(

And a Librarian.


To be honest, I was fully expecting the 'new' Marine set to just be the Black Reach set with some DA re-badging, so the fact that there are a couple of new bits in there is a nice surprise.

I'm happy with the choices and I'm quite surprised that people thought they'd get something different. They give you the most common squad in the chapter (the tact squad) plus the two units that, more than any others, distinguish the chapter from others (raven and death wings). The above seem like no brainers compared to the scouts plus techmarine plus assault squad that people seem to have been expecting.

I hope the chaos iconography on the cultists is lightly done - they sound a perfect starting point for a new Necromunda gang

I'm really hopeful for Chaos, cultists + chosen is perfect for my Word Bearers.

Therion wrote:I had three Space Marine armies in 5th edition and I literally never used any of what you just mentioned.

How many of these Space Marine armies were Blood Angels, Space Wolves or Grey Knights?

This starter set is not intended for me, but I'll take 2 anyway if those contents prove to be accurate. Well that and as long as the Cultists are well done and not throwback no shirt dress wearing types.

Mad4Minis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

I was thinking something along those lines...looks like Chaos is way outgunned there...unless Cultists are far better than it would seem.

Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

I just hope the Chosen with the lightning claw gets an actual Chaos-style lightning claw (the articulated fingers vs the knuckle-claws).

haroon wrote:I am not sure why this rumor is particularly credible? Baidu is a search engine not a forum. Did i miss something, who exactly "leaked" this?

Baidu also has forums: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1694628705?pn=1

This was released by the people in Shanghai that GW asked to translate the starter into Chinese. In previous years, the Taiwanese distro/shop was involved in the translation as well, but this year the rep told them that they were only giving the starter to their people in Shanghai "for reasons of secrecy" as they were afraid the Taiwanese guys would release the information on the web.

I think the guys in Shanghai have had the box for around a week.

Looks like they chose poorly.

Panda wrote:Just noticed that the bikers have TWO attacks each in the chinese picture. Are these guys veterans? There is no such thing as an bike veteran squad in any space marine codex of any kind. Right?

Is this a glimpse at the future of the new Ravenwing, or perhaps Vanguard Veteran bikers? Hopefully with both boltpistol and CCW.

Ravenwing brah. No longer just Space Marine bikers with dresses!

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

There's a plasma gun in the bikers too, isn't there? There might be a psychic power that could work as well, in addition to the slight boost to krak grenades (hit on WS against walkers now!) so I think there's enough there. AoBR only has the Deffkoptas and the Warboss to kill the dreadnought, and even then the Warboss could get doubled out before it could swing.

I dunno about 6th, but what I do know is; I'm excited about plastic cultists.

Cannot wait for this!!!

I'm liking the Chaos side. Always wanted a cultist heavy force since DoW, but was disappointed that meant basically going with Cadians and filing off the Aquillas.

I find it strange the DA come with two leaders though.

pretre wrote:Looks like they chose poorly.

Indiana Jones quote per chance?

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Contents look pretty cool, but looks like Chaos gets shafted on points if that's the case.

I was thinking something along those lines...looks like Chaos is way outgunned there...unless Cultists are far better than it would seem.

Looking at it, what do the Space Marines have to take out that Dreadnought?

Seems like they're relying on the powerfists in the Terminator unit and one Plasma Cannon unless the Librarian will have some vehicle stomping psychic power.

The chainfist on the terminators

No rumours on the models yet?

take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

Well now... both DA and CSM hasve been rumored for August. It can't be both.

aka_mythos wrote:Well now... both DA and CSM hasve been rumored for August. It can't be both.

Maybe it IS both! First time for everything!

Well Dark Angels and Blood Angels arrived in the same Codex back in 2nd Ed. It was called "Codex: Angels of Death". So maybe Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels will be in the same Codex, and this one will be called "Codex: Apology".

Very funny. I personally hope that we get chaos first, at least that way my friend will have new toys to play with.

As it stands at the moment, which codex is the oldest/most out dated?

NoBaconz4You wrote:As it stands at the moment, which codex is the oldest/most out dated?

Assuming that this ever mattered

But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I meant out of the Dark Angles and Chaos Space Marine codecies.

NoBaconz4You wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I meant out of the Dark Angles and Chaos Space Marine codecies.

Dark Angels


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H.B.M.C. wrote:But to answer the question... either Tau or Black Templars.

I hope Templars are soon to

Dark Angels are older, but Chaos arguably needs it more. Particularly if they have new units in the starter set.

Both books are pretty bland, but Chaos worse so. I assume Chaos comes first, if the starter really has new models. DA isn't too bad balance-wise, it's just pretty boring. I doubt we're going to get new DA codex anytime soon.

Must say, I'm very disappointed that we have a power armour vs power armour starter set, I guess we can expect the beginners table games to take twice as long now that people have identicle saves (excusing cultists).

On the subject of cultists though, could be that they're a low price devastator equivalent maybe? Or something with a love of plasma weaponry and grenade launchers ala Dawn of War. That'd give them more of a purpose imo, and make them a bigger threat for the SM player

i guess they could a large group of cultists, making up for the fact they will be against marines.
what i would love to see is the chaos to be fallen angels led by cypher. if it is just a lord though, a deamon weapon or something to even out the gap would be brilliant.


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just found this online at blogspot.co.uk:
Via TheDude and translated spaint2k
Dark Angels
Captain Balthasar: w/ Power Armour, Power Sword, Combi-Plasma, Frag & Krak grenades

Librarian Termiel (SP?): w/ Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon, Frag & Krak grenades

Deathwing Squad Balachar (SP?): Sergeant w/ Storm Bolter & Power Sword, 1 w/ Assault Cannon & Power Fist, 1 w/ Storm Bolter & Chainfist and 2 w/ Storm Bolter & Power Fist

Tactical Squad Raphael: Sergeant w/ Plasma Pistol & Chainsword and 9 Marines, 1 w/ Plasma Cannon, 1 w/ Plasma Gun, 7 w/ Bolters. All with Bolt Pistol and Frag & Krak grenades

Ravenwing Squad Allian (SP?): Sergeant w/ Chainsword, 1 w/ Plasma Gun and 1 w/ Bolt Pistol. All with twin-linked bolters and Frag & Krak grenades

Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Lord: Power Armour, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Dreadnought (Seems to be named as "Hellbeast"): Multi Melta and Power Fist

Chosen: Sergeant w/ Power Maul, Bolt Pistol & Bolter. One with a lightning claw, one with Power Axe, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, one with Power Fist, Bolt Pistol & Bolter, two with Close Combat Weapons, Bolters & Bolt Pistols. All have Power Armour, Frag & Krak grenades

Cultist squad 1: Cultist leader w/ two Close Combat Weapons and 9 Cultists, one w/ Flamer, 8 w/ Close Combat Weapons & Autopistols

Cultist squad 2: Cultist leader w/ Close Combat Weapon & (possibly) Shotgun and 9 Cultist, 1 w/ (possibly) Heavy Stubber and 8 w/ Autoguns

The leaked Chinese summary sheets from the starter set show Cultists as having Guard stats, but with a 6+Sv
It also shows them with access to Autoguns or Autopistol and CCW as well as options for Flamers and Heavy Stubbers.
Their Squad leaders can also take Shotguns or two CCW for some reason.
apparently the 'leak' was in chinese, so...
wheather this is genuine or a hopeful fake i dont know, so dont blame me. hope this helps

Kroothawk wrote:take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

Could be possible for them to release the dark angels book along side the chaos one. With dark angels only getting one or two new plastics and finecast with chaos getting the majority of the love?

Similar to how it tells you in the space wolves squad box to use the spare parts to make long fangs, scouts and bikers could we see something similar for the dark angels perhaps?

I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

I haven't seen this pointed out anywhere else but I thought it since I seen it.

The back page of White Dwarf has Chaos on it, although it does have a silly heading like "Allies and how to use them!"

I'm thinking we'll see Chaos next month, with Dark Angels in October. No inside info, just guesswork!

Sidstyler wrote:I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

I think all the 'trusted' sources are leaning towards C: CSM (or Traitor Legions?) so... there goes your 'no 2 "Xenos" codices' theory!

gilljoy wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:take with salt, posted by Rick_1138 over at Warseer:

Hi folks,

Wasn't sure if this is the place for this topic but as its discussing forthcoming release i felt it was appropriate in the rumour section.

Basically my mates and I are travelling to Warhammer world for Throne of Skulls in October, all the way from the Deen!

We were discussing army choices as we need to start designing for 6th ed.

My mate suggested a death company army, and while horrifying, it cant take objectives and gives almost no VP's.

However having a read of my DA dex, i am very taken with the belial DW army.

However my source in the GW world informed me that the new DA dex may be out by October and as a result my list i have could be totally wrong in terms of models i can take/points make up.

I wasnt sure if a tournament would use a new dex as it used to be that there was a 2 month Grace period so people designing and painting\playtesting their armies dont have the rug pulled out due to a new rule book coming out just before the tournament.

If they are doing that, it means the DA dex will be getting released about august.

I doubt GW will nerf their new poster army, but i am hesitant to start buying the necessary models. Though I am toying with the idea of using Space hulk terminators as a start do convert into DW...hmmm

But yeah, does anyone have firmer details on DA dex release, or if the tournaments still give a 2 month grace before new rules are included?

Cheers

Could be possible for them to release the dark angels book along side the chaos one. With dark angels only getting one or two new plastics and finecast with chaos getting the majority of the love?

Similar to how it tells you in the space wolves squad box to use the spare parts to make long fangs, scouts and bikers could we see something similar for the dark angels perhaps?

They already have a set like that, the dark angels upgrade set, it's also one of the cheapest kits to buy and best value. Gives you 5 marines in robes + dark angels shoulder pads, helms, weaponry and even terminator accessories. I can see them repackaging it and upping the price to 2x the amount.

I already mentioned the DA Vet squad in another topic, then someone slapped me down saying its just a DA Sprue with a generic SM sprue. Seems that people want a complete standalone kit like the SW sets

IdentifyZero wrote:
They already have a set like that, the dark angels upgrade set, it's also one of the cheapest kits to buy and best value. Gives you 5 marines in robes + dark angels shoulder pads, helms, weaponry and even terminator accessories. I can see them repackaging it and upping the price to 2x the amount.

You meen like this one:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400016&prodId=prod1060236
I doubt they will repackage the upgrade sprue since they already sell it in a box with a special weapons sprue, and they upped the price just a few weeks back.

kenshin620 wrote:I already mentioned the DA Vet squad in another topic, then someone slapped me down saying its just a DA Sprue with a generic SM sprue. Seems that people want a complete standalone kit like the SW sets

They are wrong. It is a completly diffrent sprue. The only thing the same is the special weapons sprue.

Unless Chosen have gotten a serious stat increase, this rumored starter set leaves them heavily outmatched by the Dark Angels. So much so that I'm a little skeptical that this will be the final configuration of the starter set.

I'd fully expect a stat upgrade similar to Wolf Guard to be honest. Chosen are sort of meant to be in that role - currently they're just CSMs with varied weapons and infiltrate. Nothing too special.

I really hope Chaos don't need to share a release with DA. I mean, between plastic and finecast kits, DA already have pretty much all their units, barring any new ones. Meanwhile, we don't even have plastic or finecast generic lord in PA.

Alpharius wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I'd bet money on Dark Angels coming out first. The last 40k codex was Necrons and CSM don't count as a "real" power armor army since they aren't loyalists, and they won't put out two xenos in a row, so...

I think all the 'trusted' sources are leaning towards C: CSM (or Traitor Legions?) so... there goes your 'no 2 "Xenos" codices' theory!

Well I guess there's a first for everything, but you can't deny that based on recent history the Dark Angels would be the safer bet. I hope CSM comes out first because they kinda need it more, but I'm not holding my breath because we all know how GW are.

Also, I hope these aren't the same trusted sources who said the Summer of Flyers was gonna be a thing last year, or the ones who said Tau and/or Black Templars would be out Quarter 1/Quarter 2 this year, or that Eldar would be in the starter set possibly followed by a new codex...you get the idea.

notprop wrote:

pretre wrote:Looks like they chose poorly.

Indiana Jones quote per chance?

Or paraphase of such.

Somebody may have already brought this up... But I'm at work, and so don't have time to read every entry yet...

But, who the heck is Captain Balthasar... In WFB, the Empire have Balthasar Gelt... Do they mean Belial? Or is this an SC that just popped out of the Warp to taunt us?
One of the Fallen... I am ascairt!

Seriously though, my Angels of Absolution so, so, so need the new DA Codex... But my Fallen need it worse.

I don't think it's a special character, they seem to have given names to all the DA squads on that list, plus the librarian, and the chaos dread, I think it's just to give it a little flavor.

Its probably just the name of the generic DA captain we're getting

Steve steveson wrote:

IdentifyZero wrote:
They already have a set like that, the dark angels upgrade set, it's also one of the cheapest kits to buy and best value. Gives you 5 marines in robes + dark angels shoulder pads, helms, weaponry and even terminator accessories. I can see them repackaging it and upping the price to 2x the amount.

You meen like this one:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400016&prodId=prod1060236
I doubt they will repackage the upgrade sprue since they already sell it in a box with a special weapons sprue, and they upped the price just a few weeks back.

kenshin620 wrote:I already mentioned the DA Vet squad in another topic, then someone slapped me down saying its just a DA Sprue with a generic SM sprue. Seems that people want a complete standalone kit like the SW sets

They are wrong. It is a completly diffrent sprue. The only thing the same is the special weapons sprue.

Actually, the Company Veteran Kit last time I checked, includes the same dark angels upgrade sprues PLUS extras. Which justifies the price difference. So while I appreciate your direction to a link to a product after my post, you failed to miss the point.

I had said I can see them repackaging just the upgrade sprues for 2x the amount (WHICH WAS INTENDED AS A JOKE, given how much GW likes to repackage and raise prices)

My bad

Grot 6 wrote:They have several different ones in the Forgeworld lines.

IIRC, they had some Blood Pact, from the Tanith days in there, somewhere.

There have never been Blood Pact Models you are probably thinking about the generic traitor guard that FW made. Not Blood Pact though.


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Lockark wrote:You know. I'm excited for this set for 2 reasons.

1)Plastic Cultists.
2)Source of Plastic PA Chaos Lighting Claws! O______O

I'm surprised more chaos players aren't excited for that inclusion alone!

It will be nice to get chaos lightning claws but its going to cost $100. A little steep for a pair of lightning claws!

brettz123 wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:They have several different ones in the Forgeworld lines.

IIRC, they had some Blood Pact, from the Tanith days in there, somewhere.

There have never been Blood Pact Models you are probably thinking about the generic traitor guard that FW made. Not Blood Pact though.


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Lockark wrote:You know. I'm excited for this set for 2 reasons.

1)Plastic Cultists.
2)Source of Plastic PA Chaos Lighting Claws! O______O

I'm surprised more chaos players aren't excited for that inclusion alone!

No price is too steep for Lightning claws!!!

It will be nice to get chaos lightning claws but its going to cost $100. A little steep for a pair of lightning claws!

This will be awesome just for a plastic librarian (hopefully DA-ified) and a DA captain in plastic. I also hope that the termies are made to look seriously DA (with robes and all) although I know this is a little too hopeful. Ravenwing should be good too...

Im hoping the bikes are easy to convert. I hope they arent just halves like the deffcopta is(or was?) I hope they are more akin to the bikes we have. andtalest make the bike and riders seperate.

At this point I can't get to excited until we see pictures of the figs.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Im hoping the bikes are easy to convert. I hope they arent just halves like the deffcopta is(or was?) I hope they are more akin to the bikes we have. andtalest make the bike and riders seperate.

They'll have to be similar to the deffkoptas, otherwise they wouldnt really work as snap fits

SkaerKrow wrote:Unless Chosen have gotten a serious stat increase, this rumored starter set leaves them heavily outmatched by the Dark Angels. So much so that I'm a little skeptical that this will be the final configuration of the starter set.

From the scan in Chinese, they didn't get any stat upgrades. They have 1 base attack, with the Champion having 2. Everything else is standard Marine 4s.

Imperial Monkey wrote:This will be awesome just for a plastic librarian (hopefully DA-ified) and a DA captain in plastic. I also hope that the termies are made to look seriously DA (with robes and all) although I know this is a little too hopeful. Ravenwing should be good too...

I optimistically infer from the fact that they're specifically labelled as 'Deathwing' rather than simply 'terminators' that they'll be new, Dark Angels-specific sculpts.

GW, of course, do so love to disprove their customers' optimism, but if they're just the Black Reach sprues again, I certainly shan't be purchasing the box set.

You know what would be AWESOME!?! If they didn't bother molding the plastic for the bikes at all, and just gave us blocks of non-descript plastic! That way, we could carve them ourselves! SCHWEETE!!!

Seriously, though, if we want them to keep the cost down, then they will go with snap-fit... and I for one would like to keep the cost down... Unwashed heathens (new players) haven't developed the addiction to plastic-crack that most of the people reading this have, and as such, will take a wide berth from paying the cost of a seasoned army, for a game that they may or may not delve happily into. Once they have stared, unblinking into the abyss, they will come around... We just have to bait the hook.

If you really want more convertability with the bikes, get the Ravenwing box set... It has significantly more convertability, AND costs less than the Starter Set...

Plus, it's got all things DA in it... Termi-parts, Marini-parts, Land Speedi-parts... Oh, and a Land Speeder, and Assault Bike...

I have 2... mostly because of the Land Speeders... Maybe I should just have gotten the Land Speeders...
But the base for the speeder has the ball-joint style... And I LIKE it!

Looking forward to this!
Added to my 2 ravenwing battleforces, AoBR, robed guys, and command squad that I've just stripped down in dettol (reduced mostly to individual pieces now!) for a magnetising and repainting, I should be looking at a nice sized DA army on the cheap with ebay!
Can't wait!

If they are robed guys, I'll probably pick up a couple of sets. I haven't played power armor since 2nd edition, but I'm already contemplating building some Blood Angels to be used as allies for my DKoK (dammit, they got me), and I wouldn't mind building some Dark Angels as well, so I have the Angels of Death backing me up.

Of course, the Chaos codex will probably have me dusting off all of my retro Chaos marines as well, and thankfully the DKoK IG look sinister enough to serve as allies for either force.

Maybe they will all be Finecast

So, to the couple of guys saying that a Dark Angels set should have scouts for troops, maybe you should check out the DA codex.
On the other side of that coin, the tac marines are a bit useless at this point for DA. Basically, a competitive list for us takes a pile of terminators and some landspeeders or vindicators for horde killers.
I do completely understand the tac marines in the starter box, as it is directed at beginners.
One other thing - if people are wondering about the named units in the starter box, just check out the Island of Blood set, they named every unit in there as well, just to make starter games more fun and fluffy.

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Anpu42 wrote:Maybe they will all be Finecast

I shudder just at the thought of that.

I see this starter set as one of GW's last chances to keep me addicted to their hobby, otherwise I am moving on to a new game! Robed termies would be amazing and save much pain and gs work on my part!

Commander Cain wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:Maybe they will all be Finecast

I shudder just at the thought of that.

I see this starter set as one of GW's last chances to keep me addicted to their hobby, otherwise I am moving on to a new game! Robed termies would be amazing and save much pain and gs work on my part!

I would think we would have to wait until the now Dark Angels Codex comes out. though Snap tight Robed Terminator Easier to Miniature.

Again:

DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

Kroothawk wrote:Again:

DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

The Master would not approve of being called Captain.

Kroothawk wrote:Again:

DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

The breakdown goes like this:
Company Masters->Chapter Masters->Supreme Grand Master

It's important to remember that Company Masters lead into Chapter Masters, because when Azrael(Supreme Grand Master of the Unforgiven) calls--all the Chapters which can will come to his aid.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Im hoping the bikes are easy to convert. I hope they arent just halves like the deffcopta is(or was?) I hope they are more akin to the bikes we have. andtalest make the bike and riders seperate.

I'm betting on them being in 3 parts. 2 halves and handlebars with the arms attached.

All I really want is the mini-rulebook. And although I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm hoping for Chaos in the starter and a new codex. While I wasn't playing 40K back in the Lost and the Damned days, I did read WD, and thought cultists and Traitor Guard were a colorful part of the 40K background. With the new allies rules, a CSM player could field varied and interesting armies. Hopefully effective armies to encourage Chaos players to keep playing and not selling everything in frustration.

Similarly, I wouldn't mind the return of Genestealer cults for the same reasons (although mainly for color).

If the marine figures are generic enough, I'll probably get the boxed set. I don't mind the HQ being DA-specific: for my Sanguinary Priests I used some DA robed legs and added Death Company bits to make the SPs more "priest" than "medic". Something similar could be done with a DA-specific Librarian. Both the DA and BA have more religious iconography than even the typical SM chapter and their HQ units should reflect that.

Kroothawk wrote:Again:

DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

And?

A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference. Besides, they could be changing the DA fluff in their new Codex.

Pedantry. Does it ever need a reason?

A cheap flood of plastic cultists on eBay would certainly be welcome, provided the sculpts are nice.

don't the 6th ed rule have some pics of cultists models?

Is it too much to hope the figures will be of the quality found in the Space Hulk set?

Probably, since it is a starter set... one can dream a little dream, however.

More likely the quality of the AOBR set,

Not bad, but not stunning.

Ascalam wrote:More likely the quality of the AOBR set,

Not bad, but not stunning.

I'm expecting Island of Blood quality level, actually. I.e., fething awesome.

Wouldn't complain if it was

Might tempt me into making that stealer cult again with the culties...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Again:
DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

And?
A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference.

Call an Imam a Rabbi or your prime minister Fuehrer, should be no problem because they basically fulfill the same role

Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Again:
DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

And?
A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference.

Call an Imam a Rabbi or your prime minister Fuehrer, should be no problem because they basically fulfill the same role

Wow, really? You attach the same import to made up superhuman titles? Well, hate to break it to you, but the scanned sheet from the starter has him listed as Captain. Gasp! The world is over! I guess you're going to kill yourself now, huh? Please don't do it, think of your family!

The Chinese words say "Company Commander" - which is obviously just a translation - I have no idea how the Chinese call DA Chapter Masters and Space Marine Captains. It's not like there's any functional difference between the two anyway - they are both "company commanders" as far as I can see.

But gasp! It is so important! How can you make so light of it?! Now he has to kill himself twice!

I await pictures. Until then, waiting off to the side.

Omegus wrote:But gasp! It is so important! How can you make so light of it?! Now he has to kill himself twice!

Damn it, man, he's a doctor master not a captain. He's doing the best he can.

Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Again:
DARK ANGELS DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS, THE EQUIVALENT IS CALLED MASTER (OF THE CHAPTER).

And?
A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference.

Call an Imam a Rabbi or your prime minister Fuehrer, should be no problem because they basically fulfill the same role

Kroot, man...you almost Godwinned this thread.

Back on topic - perhaps a hint as to the rumours of an All In One SM codex?

rosafari wrote:I hope the chaos iconography on the cultists is lightly done - they sound a perfect starting point for a new Necromunda gang

Ooohhh~ That's not a bad idea.

I still want them to look suitable chaosy, but abit of Green Stuff and the shave of a knife could fix that up.

I hope the chosen look like the ones on the rulebook back cover, cas they are sweeeeeeeeet.

So,

Does this mean that the chinese are getting the figures, now and everyone else has to wait?

Whats going on with the pictures of the figures included in the sets?

Grot 6 wrote:So,

Does this mean that the chinese are getting the figures, now and everyone else has to wait?

Whats going on with the pictures of the figures included in the sets?

The servo skull dice holders?

Kazwulf wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:So,

Does this mean that the chinese are getting the figures, now and everyone else has to wait?

Whats going on with the pictures of the figures included in the sets?

The servo skull dice holders?

I think he's asking if any pictures of the modles in the starter set has leaked yet.

Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference.

Call an Imam a Rabbi or your prime minister Fuehrer, should be no problem because they basically fulfill the same role

Yes. These situations are exactly alike.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:A Company Master and a Company Captain fulfil the same role, so calling it one or the other really makes little difference.

Call an Imam a Rabbi or your prime minister Fuehrer, should be no problem because they basically fulfill the same role

Yes. These situations are exactly alike.

I'm pretty sure that differences in degree and differences in kind are basically the same thing.