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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
As a follow up to my previous thread (about obscure or underrated games that, in your opinion, needs more credit), this thread is the opposite - what games do you think are terrible and/or overrated, and yet for some absurd reason have a large following. For me, its Halo and CoD. I don't really see the appeal behind them, I really don't. Oh, And I'm throwing in Battlefield as well, for being a blatant CoD clone. I don't care what everyone else says, it looks like fething CoD to me. Ok, after a bit of reflection, hate is a bit strong of a word. Games that you are disinterested in or think are overrated might be more accurate.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Call of Duty.
Just...
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Post by: purplefood
The biggest problem with Call of Duty the people playing it rather than the game itself IMO... As for Halo... You need friends to play it with. Becomes a lot more fun then IMO. I'll have a ponder for games that i hate and people like... It may take a while i'm running slowly this morning...
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Post by: Melissia
Dunno, I don't really hate most games. If you said "bored of" or "don't care about", that's a different matter. Even WoW, which I constantly mock, I don't really hate. It's just boring.
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Post by: nels1031
I don't care for the hack and slash of Diablo.
I wouldn't say I hate it though, I played the first one for an ungodly amount of hours, but then I found Fallout, Baldurs Gate Planescape:Torment, Icewind Dale etc. After those, Diablo just seemed like an arcade game.
Also not a fan of JRPGs.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Soul Calibur.
Some cool character designs, and the character creator is OK, but otherwise a bit crap.
Also, Call of Duty and its ilk. Gah.
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Post by: Necroshea
Borderlands hands down.
Bland environments
bland enemies (clearance sell on masks it seems)
bland weapons (a green machine gun and a red machine gun does not make 2 different guns!)
bland vehicular combat
ending was god awful
The whole thing just felt unfinished and half arsed to me. Then they release info on the second game, stating that now you have video options that just about every other pc game has had since forever, and people go crazy about it.
What.the.hell.
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Post by: Sasori
League of Legends.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Necroshea wrote:Borderlands hands down.
Bland environments
bland enemies (clearance sell on masks it seems)
bland weapons (a green machine gun and a red machine gun does not make 2 different guns!)
bland vehicular combat
ending was god awful
The whole thing just felt unfinished and half arsed to me. Then they release info on the second game, stating that now you have video options that just about every other pc game has had since forever, and people go crazy about it.
What.the.hell.
Yeah, I thought it was subpar as well. They should have just stuck with single player.
And speaking of subpar and overhyped games that should not have focused on Co- Op, I bloody despised Dead Island.
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Post by: Coolyo294
Mass Effect.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Coolyo294 wrote:Mass Effect.
Agreed.
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Post by: Melissia
If we're just ttalking about games we don't really care about or regret buying... STALKER probably tops my list at the moment, after that, Black Ops (Should have waited for a sale), then Section 8 and Front Mission. At least ignoring older games.
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Post by: Bromsy
Any sports game without "Mutant League" in the title.
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Post by: Lord-Loss
Necroshea wrote:Borderlands hands down.
Bland environments
bland enemies (clearance sell on masks it seems)
bland weapons (a green machine gun and a red machine gun does not make 2 different guns!)
bland vehicular combat
ending was god awful
There's like a total possablity of roughly 10,000 weapons in Borderlands. Some of them are quite similar but there's certainly alot of variation and interesting combinations in there.
Can't really argue with you on bland enviroments point but it's alot better in the DLC...
I've never understood the massive support of Call of Duty, after the COD 4 they're all copies of the previous games with a slight overhaul of the multiplayer combat, also itlooks goddamn awful, the textures are low quality and the campains (espically IW ones) are ridiculous, boring and filled with terrible AI and lots of 'fixed turret moments'.
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Post by: Grakmar
Bromsy wrote:Any sports game without "Mutant League" in the title.
Heresy! What about Base Wars or Pigskin 621 AD?
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Post by: Ahtman
Any Elder Scrolls game after Daggerfall. I've tried to enjoy them, but I've found them all painfully dull to play.
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Post by: Avatar 720
CoD
Fallout 3
DoWII
HL2
To name but a few.
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Post by: Cheesecat
1. Halo games, they're OK when playing with friends but it's boring playing by yourself.
2. Gears of War games, I don't see the appeal of these games the levels are linear, the combat is boring and the story sucks.
3. Most sports and racing games with a few exceptions.
4. WoW, I played it for a few hours but it's just so boring all I do is talk to some random guy, do quest, collect reward, maybe it get's better later on but right now I'm not having much fun.
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Post by: infinityandbeyond
Any football manager game.
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Post by: LunaHound
Starcraft 2
Dawn of skirmish 2
CoD
GTA
I dont hate them, can find them fun from time to time, like 5 out of 10
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Oh yeah, I forgot about gears.
Man, that series is ugly as sin, and it plays badly.
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Post by: Galdos
Borderlands
Skyriim
Thats all I can think of right now. Im sure more will come to me later
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Post by: Perkustin
All mainstream MMORPGS (WoW, GW, ToR etc) i am sure there are some out there that would appeal to me if i had the motivation but i remember trying WoW and just finding it dull. Whats the point of an RPG if the world/story isn't there?
Ass-screed. Man those games are dull. It feels so sterile and impersonal, the grey colour pallet and the effortless spongy parkour plus combat that is initially obtuse and unfair but within an hour or so becomes laughably easy. The cities look good but have no appeal, there's no motivation to explore them, the content is just too sparse.
Also everyone preferring Saints Row compared to GTA 4. I like the fact Rockstar is going for a more grounded realistic approach with it's sandboxes, if you are calling in the airstrikes in the second mission of the game what's next?
Also Liberty city is a believable city (well minimal suspension of disbelief) as well as a great play space. Saints Row's Environ is just a mash of copy paste skyscrapers.
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Post by: Melissia
Perkustin wrote:Also everyone preferring Saints Row compared to GTA 4. I like the fact Rockstar is going for a more grounded realistic approach with it's sandboxes, if you are calling in the airstrikes in the second mission of the game what's next?
GTA is... grounded... and realistic? Since fething when? GTA and realism are basically a divorced couple where the husband decided to try being gay after finding out that he turned his ex-wife lesbian-- they have nothing to do with one another, and never really did except for in illusion. Actually, I'd put GTA on this list. I didn't really enjoy any of them.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I constantly buy games on Steam Sales when they go $5 or below. This usually means I get tons of games a few months after the hype-train settles down.
Bioshock was dull. The mid-game "twist" was nonsensical. The latter half of the game had an absent storyline. Turning into a BigDaddy was rather cool-ish, but nothing came of it in the end.
...and people inexplicably cite it for its story and atmosphere while looking on Bioshock Infinite with glee. I don't get it.
Dead Space was an action game, not the horror game it wanted to be. It had horrible controls that were lifted from Resident Evil; RE's control was the weakest part of the series. It's hard to feel a shred of discomfort when the 3rd person perspective constantly reminds you that you're a power-armored Space Marine running around with powerful weapons and the ability to freeze enemies.
Dead Space 2 at least fixed the controls to be on-par with other control games.
Both games were made by the people that looked at System Shock 2 and missed every strength the game had.
I also actively dislike the obligatory Farmville et al that should go without saying.
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Post by: Necroshea
Perkustin wrote:Also everyone preferring Saints Row compared to GTA 4
To me, it's all about which one you're referring to. The first 2 had storylines that actually had serious moments, and characters I cared about. I was always interested in what would happen next. Saints Row 3 was a disaster. They kill off an important character and only a single person in the game (not you) bothers to care about it, they reward you for being a douchebag at the end with an extended storyline, and it took the idea of being out there and crazy and made it utterly ludicrous to the point where it was an abomination.
SR3 was a terrible experience for me. I don't know how you could screw up what 1 and 2 had going, but they found a way.
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Post by: Iur_tae_mont
Sports games. If I wanna play football, I'll go *shudder* outside .
and "Realistic" FPSes. I don't want to be an Infantry Grunt in a game. I could be an Infantry Grunt IRL. But can I pilot a giant Mech IRL?
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Post by: DOOMBREAD
WoW. There is nothing really original about it, and I hate the bar-basher combat system. Also, RPGs in general (except RPG/action hybrids like Borderlands and Mass Effect). They are way too action-light and slow-moving, and yet, it sometimes seems like the favorite genre of every hardcore gamer and his dog.
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Post by: Slarg232
I would have to say CoD, Mass Effect, and Battlefield.
Mass Effect felt like a gears of war clone done poorly in gameplay, and the story wasn't all that original. The universe was awesome, but not one that I could really get into.
CoD is just.... way too much of a money sink. $60 per game, $45 per game's map packs.... that's $105 that could be spent alot better elsewhere, per year.
I have never liked the Battlefield series. I don't know why.
I do have to put a disclaimer, and say that CoD and CoD 2 were amazing games. I just hate what the series has become.
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Post by: Formosa
Iur_tae_mont wrote:Sports games. If I wanna play football, I'll go *shudder* outside .
and "Realistic" FPSes. I don't want to be an Infantry Grunt in a game. I could be an Infantry Grunt IRL. But can I pilot a giant Mech IRL?
See im the oposite, I want a realistic FPS, I totally hate CoD and its clones (BF3 is not a clone, its radically diferent), I however do like the fallout universe but dislike the "new" take on it, the older ones had character and i would go as far
as to say FOtactics was better than bugvegas... truelly a bad game that was.
My all time "hate" list
Any FF before 7 or after it, played em all and it was the only one i liked
WoW: F this game lol
CoD
Fifa: Now this could be a good game if EA could be arsed to actually develop there games rather than spam the same old crap year after year.
Nintendo Wii: all games here in..
DoW2: sooo disapointing
40k Rites of war: chaos gate rocked.. so were gonna give you panzer general... uh huh
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Since brotherhood's ending I hate AC too.
And sports games.
Beuh.
Exluding Dead or Alive xtreme 2
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Post by: Melissia
Lol, BF3 radically different. Suuuuuuure. BF3, and the BF series in general, plays like just another generic modern-setting fps game, to me.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Melissia wrote:Lol, BF3 radically different.
Suuuuuuure.
BF3, and the BF series in general, plays like just another generic modern-setting fps game, to me.
Yeah, if you're only playing on the small scale maps with no vehicles and the Team Deathmatch modes...
Exactly the same!
When playing BF3 with vehicles, on Conquest/Rush---it is an entirely different experience.
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Post by: Melissia
Keep telling yourself that, you seem to believe it after all. I saw nothing special in my play through its SP and MP. Just another modern setting shooter. Thankfully, at least I didn't have to pay for it.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The SP was garbage. There's no doubt, at all, about that.
Playing the MP on Battlefield 3 however is something completely different.
Unless of course by "Battlefield games" you were referring to those "only thing they have in common with Battlefield is the name Battlefield" games in the Bad Company line-up: which were, again, garbage.
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Post by: Tappers
All Mario games are the same. And they suck as well, which Nintendo don't seem to realise. Actually Nintendo don't seem to realise anything, they just churn out any old rubbish. Eventually, I can see Nintendo going down the rain after spewing out the 56th Mario game and thinking : What went wrong? Nuff said.
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Post by: Ahtman
Tappers wrote:All Mario games are the same. And they suck as well, which Nintendo don't seem to realise. Actually Nintendo don't seem to realise anything, they just churn out any old rubbish. Eventually, I can see Nintendo going down the rain after spewing out the 56th Mario game and thinking : What went wrong? Nuff said.
If you don't like the Mario games that is fine, but you honestly don't understand why they keep making games that ship huge numbers? Do you think Nintendo hates money?
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Post by: curran12
Square-Enix in general
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Post by: Tappers
Ahtman wrote:Tappers wrote:All Mario games are the same. And they suck as well, which Nintendo don't seem to realise. Actually Nintendo don't seem to realise anything, they just churn out any old rubbish. Eventually, I can see Nintendo going down the rain after spewing out the 56th Mario game and thinking : What went wrong? Nuff said.
If you don't like the Mario games that is fine, but you honestly don't understand why they keep making games that ship huge numbers? Do you think Nintendo hates money?
Yeah, I s'pose so, but then again the latest Mario game is all about money...
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Post by: Aldarionn
I hate any game that is PVP except for RTS games. I'm absolutely terrible at FPS games, especially on console, so I have almost no interest in them if the primary game play is PVP. I had fun with the Halo games because they have nice graphics and a decent campaign, but I almost never played PVP. I have no interest in Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, or any other FPS of that style, and when I played WoW I played only PVE.
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Post by: Melissia
Dunon, I consider there to be a differnce between games I'm bad at, and games I enjoy.
I'm really, really bad at soul calibur and the dbz fighting games, but I still enjoy them.
They're definitely billions of times more fun than the bog standard fighting games (ST, Tekken, KoF, BlazBlue, MK, and the other generic boring ones that could basically end up just being clones of eachother but with different graphics).
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Post by: sarpedons-right-hand
infinityandbeyond wrote:Any football manager game.
Heresy!! I love FM games, been putting 250 hours plus into FM games since 2003....For me they are a brilliant way to suspend the outside world for a few hours...
Back OT, I don't get Minecraft at all. It's just so 'meh'. And I also don't see the appeal in 'Dead Space'. Why? Why do games developers do this to me? The fact that I was just too much of a damn p***y to finish it has nothing to do with it. Nothing, ya hear!..
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Post by: Slarg232
Melissia wrote:Dunon, I consider there to be a differnce between games I'm bad at, and games I enjoy.
Agreed. I am terrible at most fighting games, but I love me some Skullgirls, Mortal Kombat, and Blazblu.
Oooh, Skullgirls, another one for the other thread.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Slarg232 wrote:Melissia wrote:Dunon, I consider there to be a differnce between games I'm bad at, and games I enjoy.
Agreed. I am terrible at most fighting games, but I love me some Skullgirls, Mortal Kombat, and Blazblu.
Oooh, Skullgirls, another one for the other thread.
Ditto.
I'm absolutely horrible at X-COM: UD and Bloodrayne 2 and System shock 2, but I still enjoy them.
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Post by: Galdos
Focusing only on games I have actually played or at least watched (thats how Borderland made it for me) I have 2 more to add
Bioshock ... this game looks so unappealing to me. I dont know why anyone gives a damn about it.
Dead Space. I was actually disgusted in the game. when I first heard about it I thought it was really cool, a survival horror on a spaceship? sounds like im living Alien with Resident Evil, should be awsome.
I encounter, a game that makes THIS HUGE fething DEAL ABOUT THIS fething slowed RELIGION. The enemies also were pretty easy to kill that I stopped considering a threat. I played with my friends in the room (their game) and we were laughing because how much I stopped caring (Quote of the game "Alien, meet lightbulb") The biggest threat in the game was those mini muncher dudes that we called "Nom Noms" (Seriously, I grew terrifed of them because I would never notice them until they were noming on me)
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Post by: Amaya
curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general
/thread
Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
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Post by: dogma
Bioshock. I didn't hate it, but it I thought the hype was excessive. The twist was weak, and the combat was easy. Mass Effect reminded me of it in the sense that the world was fantastic, but the story and experience of the world was unimpressive. That said, I own both, and will buy Infinite, but that's largely because even mediocre single-player games often catch my interest; though I had high hopes for Bioshock.
Halo series. In multiplayer its a crap version of Quake.
The Section 8 series bothers me, but only because no one plays it post Tribes launch.
Every CoD post MW1, which is self-explanatory. Though I will say that BloPs 2 has great promise.
BF3.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general
/thread
Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
That's a bit unfair...
I'm starting on 13 and it seems pretty good to me...
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Squigsquasher wrote:Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general
/thread
Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
That's a bit unfair...
I'm starting on 13 and it seems pretty good to me...
I think its a bit unfair to blame square enix as a whole.
They did make Deus Ex: HR, which was pretty good.
The whole FF franchise however is a bit tiring.
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Post by: Grakmar
Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general
/thread
Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
Kingdom Hearts? Chrono Trigger? Legend of Mana? Super Mario RPG? Arkham Asylum?
Even if you aren't a fan of FF or CoD, you can't hate all of those and still be considered a gamer.
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Post by: LuciusAR
Portal.
Everyone keeps saying how amazing it is and perhaps they are right, but nothing about the concept appeals to me. I have no desire whatsoever to even try it.
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Post by: Slarg232
Grakmar wrote:Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Legend of Mana?
Was a meh game, especially when compared to Secret. Secret of Mana, though, was the first game I ever started up and played in one sitting. Loved that game to death. Still have my copy too, might have to play one before heading to college.
LuciusAR wrote:Portal.
Everyone keeps saying how amazing it is and perhaps they are right, but nothing about the concept appeals to me. I have no desire whatsoever to even try it.
Have you tried Quantum Conundrum? Same game, different concept, amazingly fun/funny.
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Post by: LordofHats
Gears of War. I hate the series, and I think its crap, but some people just seem to love it. IDK.
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Post by: curran12
Grakmar wrote:Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general /thread Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
Kingdom Hearts? Chrono Trigger? Legend of Mana? Super Mario RPG? Arkham Asylum? Even if you aren't a fan of FF or CoD, you can't hate all of those and still be considered a gamer. Let me clarify my position. I said Square-Enix, not Square. Square, when it was just Square in the past, was amazing. Pretty much up to about FF9/10 or so it was all pretty solid products, and their 16-bit stuff was defining of a generation. But. But. BUT. What Square-Enix has become has become nothing short of an embarrassment of lazy, bad production and dropping quality. Let's go with some of their bigger franchies: Final Fantasy - I think we all know this, one. Like it or not, the series is crap now. It wasn't crap at one point, but it is now. They've boiled gameplay down to practically nothing and have stories that are, in a single pithy word, godawful. Characters are no longer relatable or even likable, let alone consistent with anything. Personally, I felt the story quality of the FF franchise began dropping around FF8, and reached a burning crash at FF10. The gameplay elements actually began dropping at FF6, but don't get the torches out yet. FF6 is my favorite FF game and probably the best game of the 16-bit era, but it was the first FF game where the characters stopped mattering in gameplay itself. With Espers and easy levelling areas and difficulty-breaking relics, it no longer mattered who was in your party since everyone was doing the same thing. This began a trend where tactics and party selection were relegated to "GET LIMIT BREAK/SUMMON AND SPAM" and any challenge withered away to nothing. Every final boss since around Zeromus (FF4) was a joke in difficulty unless the player artificially limited themselves somehow. Kingdom Hearts - Another story of great promise and increasing disappointment and disgust. Kingdom Hears, at least the core games (1 and 2) are some of my favorite gameplay styles I've seen in an RPG in a long time. It is a great mix of action, tactics, challenge and speed. It is dynamic and engaging. However, the KH story is, and let's not kid ourselves here, fething atrocious. ESPECIALLY when you consider the tangled, horrifying clusterfeth of backstory and side-story that all of the games side-quels brought into the mix. The story in KH1 was a nice, simple bit of good vs evil with fanservice, but once you hit KH2 and the sidequels, it is as if they turned the writing direction over to the very worst fanfiction writers. They have created a story that is at once childish and impenetrable at the same time. I have no idea what possessed them, but they have managed to write all my interest out of the story simply because they are refusing to go anywhere with it. We complain about 40k's story not moving forward, KH is damn near ready to go backward. The only hope for this series is in a complete new, AAA-level game (no more crappy handhelds kthx!) that has a story entirely separate from that crap. I have my doubts of it. Arkham Asylum and Deus Ex: Human Revolution - SE did not develop either of these, they published it. Human Revolution was developed by Eidos and Arkham Aslylum by Rocksteady Studios/Feral Interactive. They did not have a hand in what the actual game was. Don't give them credit for what is not theirs. Super Mario RPG/Mana series/Chrono Trigger - Almost all of these are pretty darn good. Shame that SE has decided they are tired of making good products. Bottom line, Square-Enix has burnt all of the goodwill I have had for it with gameplay and story decisions that reek of 'we are so dominant that we do not need to try anymore' dominance. This is not a knee-jerk hatred of anime/JRPG/whatever, as there are games out there that do JRPGs really, really well (Lost Odyssey) and still manage to have good gameplay and writing. The games that used to be titans in the past are now things I actively avoid and SE has nothing but scorn from me. But keep in mind that I do not WANT to scorn SE, I'd love to go to the days where a new Final Fantasy thrilled me and I couldn't wait to do it, but I simply am no longer giving SE money to reinforce its bad habits. It's like a good friend who, in high school was the coolest guy ever, but come back after college and you find a burned out junkie or something, trying to act like he did not clearly failing at it. Any support you give this friend is used to fuel bad habits and he needs to kick the habit.
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I fully agree. RPG's in general just ain't what they used to be. Note: Dark Souls, Mass Effect, and to an extent Dragon Age is not included as they are not what I think of when I think RPG.
Why is it so difficult to make a Turn based game anymore? Like Legend of Dragoon or the Older Final Fantasies?
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Post by: curran12
Slarg232 wrote:I fully agree. RPG's in general just ain't what they used to be. Note: Dark Souls, Mass Effect, and to an extent Dragon Age is not included as they are not what I think of when I think RPG.
Why is it so difficult to make a Turn based game anymore? Like Legend of Dragoon or the Older Final Fantasies?
If you haven't tried it, I recommend picking up Lost Odyssey on the 360. It's a little old, but still a great example of a more traditional, turn-based JRPG that does it well. Amazing soundtrack to boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKpOeVGjB0k&feature=related
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Post by: Slarg232
curran12 wrote:Slarg232 wrote:I fully agree. RPG's in general just ain't what they used to be. Note: Dark Souls, Mass Effect, and to an extent Dragon Age is not included as they are not what I think of when I think RPG.
Why is it so difficult to make a Turn based game anymore? Like Legend of Dragoon or the Older Final Fantasies?
If you haven't tried it, I recommend picking up Lost Odyssey on the 360. It's a little old, but still a great example of a more traditional, turn-based JRPG that does it well. Amazing soundtrack to boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKpOeVGjB0k&feature=related
Hmmm, will have to look into it. I've been DYING to get ahold of a new TBRPG.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
The Gothic series. Of what I played, and that's to say not a lot, they were buggy pieces of crap. I'd say you could get away with its lackings if it were an older game, but things like a lack of a consistent quest log (which is alright....in a game that allows you to do what you want)...or just not being attacked mid way through a pivotal plot conversation would be nice. =P
Assassin's Creed. I like the premise, but at least on PC, the game doesn't feel streamlined enough. I don't know if it was me, but the acrobatics just didn't work they way they came across in the concept. =/
Left 4 Dead. I didn't realise it was just going to be a rail shooter when I bought it. I prefer slightly more realistic zombie games...and having to blow my way through a corridor of zombies doesn't do it for me. I know that's not what the game's about, and Valve love their silliness, but going into the game thinking it was going to be something else just didn't do it for me. I guess after Team Fortress 2 they wanted to do something more serious, but it just wasn't right in my opinion. Hmn, wonder if DayZ's gotten out of Alpha yet....
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Post by: mega_bassist
The side-scrolling Sonic games
GTA III and newer
Borderlands
Oh, and Bioshock
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Wyrmalla wrote:The Gothic series. Of what I played, and that's to say not a lot, they were buggy pieces of crap. I'd say you could get away with its lackings if it were an older game, but things like a lack of a consistent quest log (which is alright....in a game that allows you to do what you want)...or just not being attacked mid way through a pivotal plot conversation would be nice. =P
Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with Gothic either. I found the combat system and controls to be completely horrible. Automatically Appended Next Post: curran12 wrote:Grakmar wrote:Amaya wrote:curran12 wrote:Square-Enix in general
/thread
Original 3 games were good, everything since (and including) FF7 has been massively overrated and mediocre. They've been getting drastically worse.
Kingdom Hearts? Chrono Trigger? Legend of Mana? Super Mario RPG? Arkham Asylum?
Even if you aren't a fan of FF or CoD, you can't hate all of those and still be considered a gamer.
Let me clarify my position.
I said Square-Enix, not Square. Square, when it was just Square in the past, was amazing. Pretty much up to about FF9/10 or so it was all pretty solid products, and their 16-bit stuff was defining of a generation.
But. But. BUT.
What Square-Enix has become has become nothing short of an embarrassment of lazy, bad production and dropping quality. Let's go with some of their bigger franchies:
Final Fantasy - I think we all know this, one. Like it or not, the series is crap now. It wasn't crap at one point, but it is now. They've boiled gameplay down to practically nothing and have stories that are, in a single pithy word, godawful. Characters are no longer relatable or even likable, let alone consistent with anything. Personally, I felt the story quality of the FF franchise began dropping around FF8, and reached a burning crash at FF10. The gameplay elements actually began dropping at FF6, but don't get the torches out yet. FF6 is my favorite FF game and probably the best game of the 16-bit era, but it was the first FF game where the characters stopped mattering in gameplay itself. With Espers and easy levelling areas and difficulty-breaking relics, it no longer mattered who was in your party since everyone was doing the same thing. This began a trend where tactics and party selection were relegated to "GET LIMIT BREAK/SUMMON AND SPAM" and any challenge withered away to nothing. Every final boss since around Zeromus (FF4) was a joke in difficulty unless the player artificially limited themselves somehow.
Kingdom Hearts - Another story of great promise and increasing disappointment and disgust. Kingdom Hears, at least the core games (1 and 2) are some of my favorite gameplay styles I've seen in an RPG in a long time. It is a great mix of action, tactics, challenge and speed. It is dynamic and engaging. However, the KH story is, and let's not kid ourselves here, fething atrocious. ESPECIALLY when you consider the tangled, horrifying clusterfeth of backstory and side-story that all of the games side-quels brought into the mix. The story in KH1 was a nice, simple bit of good vs evil with fanservice, but once you hit KH2 and the sidequels, it is as if they turned the writing direction over to the very worst fanfiction writers. They have created a story that is at once childish and impenetrable at the same time. I have no idea what possessed them, but they have managed to write all my interest out of the story simply because they are refusing to go anywhere with it. We complain about 40k's story not moving forward, KH is damn near ready to go backward. The only hope for this series is in a complete new, AAA-level game (no more crappy handhelds kthx!) that has a story entirely separate from that crap. I have my doubts of it.
Arkham Asylum and Deus Ex: Human Revolution - SE did not develop either of these, they published it. Human Revolution was developed by Eidos and Arkham Aslylum by Rocksteady Studios/Feral Interactive. They did not have a hand in what the actual game was. Don't give them credit for what is not theirs.
Super Mario RPG/Mana series/Chrono Trigger - Almost all of these are pretty darn good. Shame that SE has decided they are tired of making good products.
Bottom line, Square-Enix has burnt all of the goodwill I have had for it with gameplay and story decisions that reek of 'we are so dominant that we do not need to try anymore' dominance. This is not a knee-jerk hatred of anime/JRPG/whatever, as there are games out there that do JRPGs really, really well (Lost Odyssey) and still manage to have good gameplay and writing. The games that used to be titans in the past are now things I actively avoid and SE has nothing but scorn from me. But keep in mind that I do not WANT to scorn SE, I'd love to go to the days where a new Final Fantasy thrilled me and I couldn't wait to do it, but I simply am no longer giving SE money to reinforce its bad habits. It's like a good friend who, in high school was the coolest guy ever, but come back after college and you find a burned out junkie or something, trying to act like he did not clearly failing at it. Any support you give this friend is used to fuel bad habits and he needs to kick the habit.
Oh, they didn't make DE: HR?
In that case, you may restart the Square-Enix hate mobile.
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Post by: Necroshea
The bit about KH reminded me of a particular turd.
Epic Mickey.
They had this AWESOME idea, then they scrapped it for a more kiddy oriented one. I did some research as to why, and they talked about doing a research group, and the people in said group were in their 30's and 40's (which seems a bit old to me but whatever). They mentioned in humor that one guy was this grizzled biker guy, and when they showed him the concept art he told them that it sucks, and "Don't change mickey".
Because they're target market is 30+ and rides harleys.
Here's concept art of what they thought of doing
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Post by: GalacticDefender
CthuluIsSpy wrote:As a follow up to my previous thread (about obscure or underrated games that, in your opinion, needs more credit), this thread is the opposite - what games do you think are terrible and/or overrated, and yet for some absurd reason have a large following.
For me, its Halo and CoD.
I don't really see the appeal behind them, I really don't.
Oh, And I'm throwing in Battlefield as well, for being a blatant CoD clone. I don't care what everyone else says, it looks like fething CoD to me.
Ok, after a bit of reflection, hate is a bit strong of a word. Games that you are disinterested in or think are overrated might be more accurate.
For me, Halo is about the story. I don't really like the multiplayer either, (there are much better multiplayer games, mainly on the PC) but Halo's story is just awesome. I look forward to new Halo novels about as much as new Halo games.
As for the original question, I don't really understand the obsession with Minecraft. Sure, it's fun, but to really spend all of your time playing a game where the main mechanic is piling blocks around just doesn't make sense when I could be exploring Skyrim or some other awesome game. If I want to be creative I'll make stuff with google sketchup or terragen.
Also I don't understand why people buy COD games. Other than the fun but very brief campaigns, there is really nothing at all to differentiate them from each other, and the multiplayer is quite bland when compared to Arma 2 or even Star Wars Battlefront 2 (which is still active and very fun) The campaigns are pretty well done though, and I actually liked MW2's story, but they are just too short and don't have much replay value. Spec Ops mode is quite fun as well, but really, I wouldn't spend 60 dollars on a COD game just for a short campaign and repetitive unbalanced multiplayer. I just rent them, play through the campaign, and return them.
Also compared to Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Slender is not scary at all. Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh yes, I also don't much care for Team Fortress 2. I don't really know why, but I just don't find it very fun. Automatically Appended Next Post: infinityandbeyond wrote:Any football manager game.
Seriously, WTF. Counting sand seems more fun than any Football Manager game. I would literally rather write a 5 page essay for English class than play that game.
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Post by: Galdos
Oh wow Final Fantasy
I fething hate that series. I have never played them, but the series looks SOOOOO BADDDDDD. Ive watched friends played and reviews of them and all I can think of is why anyone finds any of it interesting
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Post by: feeder
Why all the Borderlands hate? I enjoyed it, it wasn't amazing but it was fun to shoot my way through a comicbook dystopia.
Games I didn't like, the Sims series. Micromanagement is not my idea of a good time.
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Post by: Galdos
feeder wrote:Why all the Borderlands hate? I enjoyed it, it wasn't amazing but it was fun to shoot my way through a comicbook dystopia.
Games I didn't like, the Sims series. Micromanagement is not my idea of a good time.
I just thought it looked dumb and the story didnt even seem to exist. Setting seemed like it sucked too
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Post by: Slarg232
Necroshea wrote:The bit about KH reminded me of a particular turd.
Epic Mickey.
They had this AWESOME idea, then they scrapped it for a more kiddy oriented one. I did some research as to why, and they talked about doing a research group, and the people in said group were in their 30's and 40's (which seems a bit old to me but whatever). They mentioned in humor that one guy was this grizzled biker guy, and when they showed him the concept art he told them that it sucks, and "Don't change mickey".
Because they're target market is 30+ and rides harleys.
Here's concept art of what they thought of doing
He's right though. THAT ain't Mickey.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Final Fantasy 7. Yes, I said 7-the one that EVERYONE on the planet worships except for me. I didn't feel much interest in the characters, couldn't care less about the story, and felt it was a waste of my time. Borrowed it from a friend, he had to take it back and it used up so much space on my hard drive (computer) that I deleted it. Borrowed again, same issue. Bought it for Playstation, saved it, the file corrupted and deleted. I threw my hands up in disgust and never again played the game that I had very little interest in to begin with. However, I LOVED Final Fantasy 4 and 6.
I also hate WoW and most other MMORPGs. CoD can suck it too.
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Post by: pretre
Galdos wrote:Oh wow Final Fantasy
I fething hate that series. I have never played them, but the series looks SOOOOO BADDDDDD. Ive watched friends played and reviews of them and all I can think of is why anyone finds any of it interesting
I lol'd.
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Post by: kenshin620
I didnt think dawn of war was all that good tbh
DoW2 was actually funner to me Automatically Appended Next Post: Galdos wrote:Oh wow Final Fantasy
I fething hate that series. I have never played them, but the series looks SOOOOO BADDDDDD. Ive watched friends played and reviews of them and all I can think of is why anyone finds any of it interesting
Not even FF Tactics!
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Post by: Happygrunt
Gear's of War and Final Fantasy (any of them).
Although, I am the only one I know who likes Torchlight...
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Post by: Slarg232
Happygrunt wrote:Gear's of War and Final Fantasy (any of them).
Although, I am the only one I know who likes Torchlight...
Torchlight was awesome, even if that Genre is repetative as sin.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Necroshea wrote:The bit about KH reminded me of a particular turd.
Epic Mickey.
They had this AWESOME idea, then they scrapped it for a more kiddy oriented one. I did some research as to why, and they talked about doing a research group, and the people in said group were in their 30's and 40's (which seems a bit old to me but whatever). They mentioned in humor that one guy was this grizzled biker guy, and when they showed him the concept art he told them that it sucks, and "Don't change mickey".
Because they're target market is 30+ and rides harleys.
Here's concept art of what they thought of doing
Good grief. An atrocity has been committed. How could they kill such an awesome idea?
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
I don't know. I'm slightly annoyed by the masses of people who are flocking to Skyrim, whilst I'm all on my own playing Fable...
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Post by: Platuan4th
timetowaste85 wrote:Final Fantasy 7. Yes, I said 7-the one that EVERYONE on the planet worships except for me. I didn't feel much interest in the characters, couldn't care less about the story, and felt it was a waste of my time. Borrowed it from a friend, he had to take it back and it used up so much space on my hard drive (computer) that I deleted it. Borrowed again, same issue. Bought it for Playstation, saved it, the file corrupted and deleted. I threw my hands up in disgust and never again played the game that I had very little interest in to begin with. However, I LOVED Final Fantasy 4 and 6.
I hated 7, too, you're not alone. There's actually a secret guerrilla group of us.
Really, I was meh about pretty much every FF after 6. Tried 'em, didn't like 'em.
I also couldn't care less about sport games, but that's mostly because I really couldn't care less about sports that aren't soccer.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
BlapBlapBlap wrote:I don't know. I'm slightly annoyed by the masses of people who are flocking to Skyrim, whilst I'm all on my own playing Fable... Funny thing, I don't actually like Fable. Then again, I'm only really playing Skyrim right now because I wanted to see what Dawnguard was like. So far, the only thing I really like is Laura Bailey, who plays a renegade(sort of) vampire. For some reason, I find this to be amusing. Oh, and dragonbone weapons are nice...should have been in the game to begin with but anyway.
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Post by: Platuan4th
BlapBlapBlap wrote:I don't know. I'm slightly annoyed by the masses of people who are flocking to Skyrim, whilst I'm all on my own playing Fable... The only reason I'm not playing Fable right now is because my 360 red ring'd last year. Then again, the only reason I haven't played Skyrim is because I spend all my money on Transformers and tabletop...
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Post by: Perkustin
I will have to agree with the bioshock 'haters'. I finger quote because like the rest of you i don't hate it, just have no real interest. The actual gameplay is just you plodding through scrounging for ammo and murdering folks with a tommy gun like a violent thug. The strategy is presumably there but it's one of those games where utilising the more leftfield playstyles is a handicap.
You look at a game like MGS3 or DE:HR (IMO the pinnacle of Multi-approach play spaces) where all strategies are valid just some are more satisfying. In MGS3 you can find a vantage point and headshot every guard with your silenced 1911 but it's alot less satisfying than painstakingly CQC'ing every sucker in the area. (The DE:HR experience is similar but replace CQC with execution and 1911 with tranq. Gun)
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Post by: Platuan4th
Platuan4th, Y U KEEP REPLIES?!
Perkustin, you reminded me that I also disliked the MGS games, despite liking the older top down Metal Gear games.
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Post by: Perkustin
Cutscenes?
I abhor the stories of all MGS games bar 3, so if thats the reason i can understand. The gameplay on the other hand is imo sublime. As well as music, art, humour and attention to period detail.
Oh and Fable 2 was good, apart from all the 'accidental pies' that made my character fat and reduced to stockpiling Celery lol.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
Galdos wrote:Oh wow Final Fantasy
I fething hate that series. I have never played them, but the series looks SOOOOO BADDDDDD. Ive watched friends played and reviews of them and all I can think of is why anyone finds any of it interesting
Galdos wrote:feeder wrote:
Why all the Borderlands hate? I enjoyed it, it wasn't amazing but it was fun to shoot my way through a comicbook dystopia.
I just thought it looked dumb and the story didnt even seem to exist. Setting seemed like it sucked too
...So have you actually played any of these games, or just basing this off of someone else's playthroughs? 0.o
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Wyrmalla wrote:Galdos wrote:Oh wow Final Fantasy
I fething hate that series. I have never played them, but the series looks SOOOOO BADDDDDD. Ive watched friends played and reviews of them and all I can think of is why anyone finds any of it interesting
Galdos wrote:feeder wrote:
Why all the Borderlands hate? I enjoyed it, it wasn't amazing but it was fun to shoot my way through a comicbook dystopia.
I just thought it looked dumb and the story didnt even seem to exist. Setting seemed like it sucked too
...So have you actually played any of these games, or just basing this off of someone else's playthroughs? 0.o
Yeah, that usually the problem with game hate. Some people just hate on a game without playing it.
Maybe I should add a clause to the OP...
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Post by: BlapBlapBlap
It's not a game that other people know about, but Ace Combat - Belkan War, is just the hardest and most ridiculous game ever.
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Post by: Melissia
Ace combat in general is kinda meh at best.
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Post by: Galdos
Okay lets put it this way. Think of a setting you hate. I mean imagine a story that takes place in your idea of the worse setting ever. Have the main characters be what you consider to be the worst main characters ever. Finally have the story that you consider to be the worst story ever.
You dont have to see or play it for you to know that you are going to hate it.If you like games with happy endings, like Star Wars medal ceremony happy ending and this new game comes out in which you and everyone you are supose to care about dies horrible horrible deaths. You arnt going to like the game and you wouldnt even try to play it or watch the movie.
Now to be fair I dont know anything about the first 6 FFs so I have litterally no opinion on them. However I have seen my friends play them and I happen to have watch a few reviews or trailers on the other ones. From what Ive seen (note, not played) I did not like the setting of any of the games, I did not like the art style, I did not like the combat system. Of the 3 games that I actually know their story, I did not like any of their stories.
If I like very realistic stories and everything in the game must obey modern day physics and be grounded in reality and history and Halo comes out. Im going to hate Halo because its a SciFi. I dont have to play the game if Ive seen someone play through 50% of the game (because I happened to be in the same room) and someone else has explained the entire story too me to know if Im going to hate it or now [I love SciFI and love Halo, thats just an example]
I do not actually think that if the game has the FF title it WILL be bad. I just meant that currently of all the FFs that I know of (mins the first 6 which I know nothing about) I personally think they look like bad games and I personally do not understand why a person would like those games.
Sorry for the long post but i hate it when people make a deal that I say I dont like something even though I havnt played it or seen it. I have a friend who does that all the time with me and it drives me insane, especially when he does convince me to do whatever it is, I discover I actually hate it way more than I thought I would (Scott Pilgrim is the most recent example)
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Galdos wrote:Okay lets put it this way. Think of a setting you hate. I mean imagine a story that takes place in your idea of the worse setting ever. Have the main characters be what you consider to be the worst main characters ever. Finally have the story that you consider to be the worst story ever. You dont have to see or play it for you to know that you are going to hate it.If you like games with happy endings, like Star Wars medal ceremony happy ending and this new game comes out in which you and everyone you are supose to care about dies horrible horrible deaths. You arnt going to like the game and you wouldnt even try to play it or watch the movie. Now to be fair I dont know anything about the first 6 FFs so I have litterally no opinion on them. However I have seen my friends play them and I happen to have watch a few reviews or trailers on the other ones. From what Ive seen (note, not played) I did not like the setting of any of the games, I did not like the art style, I did not like the combat system. Of the 3 games that I actually know their story, I did not like any of their stories. If I like very realistic stories and everything in the game must obey modern day physics and be grounded in reality and history and Halo comes out. Im going to hate Halo because its a SciFi. I dont have to play the game if Ive seen someone play through 50% of the game (because I happened to be in the same room) and someone else has explained the entire story too me to know if Im going to hate it or now [I love SciFI and love Halo, thats just an example] I do not actually think that if the game has the FF title it WILL be bad. I just meant that currently of all the FFs that I know of (mins the first 6 which I know nothing about) I personally think they look like bad games and I personally do not understand why a person would like those games. Sorry for the long post but i hate it when people make a deal that I say I dont like something even though I havnt played it or seen it. I have a friend who does that all the time with me and it drives me insane, especially when he does convince me to do whatever it is, I discover I actually hate it way more than I thought I would (Scott Pilgrim is the most recent example) That is true, but the reason why I added that clause was out of fairness. And I don't like FF either. I never played them, but there's something...off about the style. Its too...elaborate? Ridiculous? Gaudy? I dunno, one of those. Oh, and gunblades are fething absurd. Then again, I don't like JRPGs in general. And yes, I have played JRPGs before, so I didn't break my own rule And I for one like depressing or bitter sweet endings. Nothing annoys me more than happily-ever-after. One of the reasons why I hated Legend, actually (A movie, not a game).
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Post by: Slarg232
Galdos wrote:You dont have to see or play it for you to know that you are going to hate it.If you like games with happy endings, like Star Wars medal ceremony happy ending and this new game comes out in which you and everyone you are supose to care about dies horrible horrible deaths. You arnt going to like the game and you wouldnt even try to play it or watch the movie.
And that, my friends, is exactly the reason why everything in Hollywood and video games and EVERYTHING is so sickly sweet....
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Post by: Melissia
If I like very realistic stories and everything in the game must obey modern day physics and be grounded in reality and history
Then you're a horrible person.
True story, I heard it on the internet!
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Post by: poda_t
Space Marine. Hated that game. Overrated, overpriced, and it offers sub-par entertainment. Let me itemise what's wrong with it: -shallow story. As far as i can tell, it's a chapter from DoW2 done in third person, but instead of red, you are blue. -maximum effort was placed in satisfying glamour and appeal to people familiar with the universe. Relic crammed as much crap into it without any thought to unique content or mechanics -worthless multiplayer system. Dedicated servers are where games are at their best, this peer to peer crap is junk. -the game wasn't ever finished. If you have to release two patches within one year, that add more content (like more game modes, more maps and soem fixes... especially more game modes and more maps), I consider that the game wasn't finished. Especially given how it offered a shabby 8v8 or ffa game. Don't even get me started about the environments, because only one of them is any good. -even with all it's glory, the game offers nothing to distinguish it from anything else I've played. What's really encouraging me to play this game? Absolutely nothing. -the customiser is some shiny bling in an otherwise pointless and non-exciting game What I expected to see: -orcs as a playable race for multiplayer. - I hoped to see a system by which you could build clans and teams, creating rosters where waaghs, warbands and chapters pitted themselves against eachother. -bigger games. This is the 41st millenium. At the very least, give us the chaos of that universe, not just it's half-assed shadow. I would have loved to see 3 or even 4-way games between clans beating it out. -wider hierarchy of classes, or a wider range of unlocks. It'd be nice to have access to psykers. It could work the same way as the plasma gun, but instead of overheating and having to wait for it to cool, you lose health or violently detonate into a seething mass of tentacles. -speaking of overheating weapons, let's see some plasma guns explode -actually different weapons. What's the point of having chaos vs loyalists if the only difference is the skinning? I'd like to actually see some tangible differences that imbalance the two forces. -doctrinal options. They sort of exist, but they're really only perks. It'd be nice to have seen legitimate doctrinal options that give extra in one place, but at the cost somewhere else. For instance, mark of nurgle. Can't run, but you are tougher and take more killing. Even with the current system, Relic could have added this, as say, if 90% of you has been replaced by bionics, the loyalist version of same would be "blessing of the machine".
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Post by: orkdestroyer1
For me i choose CoD because irrsponsible parents give their 11 year old child an 18 game just to use the xbox/ps3 as an electronic babysitter.
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Post by: Melissia
poda_t wrote:-shallow story. As far as i can tell, it's a chapter from DoW2 done in third person, but instead of red, you are blue.
The story was no more shallow than your average game. Although its story twist was given away by trailers, and wasn't that original, at least the interaction between the marines was more about finding a balance between playing by the rules and using one's initiative, rather than purely the latter like most vapid shooter games.
poda_t wrote:-maximum effort was placed in satisfying glamour and appeal to people familiar with the universe. Relic crammed as much crap into it without any thought to unique content or mechanics
I'm unsure s to what you are complaining about here. That they stuck too much to the lore or something?
poda_t wrote:-even with all it's glory, the game offers nothing to distinguish it from anything else I've played.
By that definition, the fps/3ps genre in general hasn't really innovated itself in decades. This statement could be applied to everything from CoD, to MoH, to Battlefield, to Halo, to Gears, to Dead Space, to mass effect or... well... anything in the two genres.
FPS games haven't innovated since quake and wolfenstein! Rabble robble rubble!
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Post by: Slarg232
Melissia wrote:poda_t wrote:-shallow story. As far as i can tell, it's a chapter from DoW2 done in third person, but instead of red, you are blue.
The story was no more shallow than your average game. Although its story twist was given away by trailers, and wasn't that original, at least the interaction between the marines was more about finding a balance between playing by the rules and using one's initiative, rather than purely the latter like most vapid shooter games.
poda_t wrote:-maximum effort was placed in satisfying glamour and appeal to people familiar with the universe. Relic crammed as much crap into it without any thought to unique content or mechanics
I'm unsure s to what you are complaining about here. That they stuck too much to the lore or something?
poda_t wrote:-even with all it's glory, the game offers nothing to distinguish it from anything else I've played.
By that definition, the fps/3ps genre in general hasn't really innovated itself in decades. This statement could be applied to everything from CoD, to MoH, to Battlefield, to Halo, to Gears, to Dead Space, to mass effect or... well... anything in the two genres.
FPS games haven't innovated since quake and wolfenstein! Rabble robble rubble!
Gears, Dead Space, and Mass Effect are Third Person Shooters
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Post by: poda_t
Melissia wrote:
poda_t wrote:-maximum effort was placed in satisfying glamour and appeal to people familiar with the universe. Relic crammed as much crap into it without any thought to unique content or mechanics
I'm unsure s to what you are complaining about here. That they stuck too much to the lore or something?
I remember during one of the missions picking up a jump pack. I spent all of two minutes with it. What the hell was the bloody point of that? I spent 2 minutes pouncing aroudn before entering a cave with it and having to discard it. The jump pack was there in story mode for the simple sake of merely being there, not because it served a utilitarian purpose that added something to the story.
This is just the one example. The more I choose to think about, the more the game comes off as a minimum effort cash-grab. All it does is create a poor quality visual image of what I already know of the 41st millenium. With dinky and predictable characters.
poda_t wrote:-even with all it's glory, the game offers nothing to distinguish it from anything else I've played.
By that definition, the fps/3ps genre in general hasn't really innovated itself in decades. This statement could be applied to everything from CoD, to MoH, to Battlefield, to Halo, to Gears, to Dead Space, to mass effect or... well... anything in the two genres.
We know CoD as the game that rewards good players by extending their killstreaks with ridiculous perks. We know Halo as one of the first games to successfuly use the cooperative campaign mode. Battlefield is the father of integrating armored warfare with infantry skirmish in a large environment with rewards for cooperative play. Each of these can be recognized for something, though they do have a habit of recycling the previous formula unto boredom and death. Space marine struck me as Gears of War, reskinned. Simply put, Space marine doesn't offer anything to compete with. It uses peer-to-peer gaming (negative point), it's a 3rd person shooter (why should I care about this specific shooter more than anotehr?), it has gory melee (just like in GoW), and you can select perks (like in CoD). It pretends to reward team-effort (like battlefield), and yet, all it really does is combine these elements, without actually doing anything to distinguish this game, other than relying on the warhamer 40k brand as the magic element to make it stand out.
The addition of a psychic warfare element would have been awesome. You have to channel the spell, and the distance of the target, or their jittery behavior makes it difficult to target them. The longer you channel, the more powerful the spell, but channell too long, and you collect too much warp power in your veins and BAM you rip yourself inside-out into a seething mass of tenticulars. Or incorporate a game mode, where in order to respawn, you need your teammates to come collect your geneseed (so, there'd be a relevancy for the apothecary).
Essentially, I feel that this game failed to deliver even the basics for social or competitive gaming. This game is great for wasting the 5 minutes between now and dinner, or the 3:00am insomniatic spell, worthless for any real entertainment.
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Post by: Melissia
The addition of psychic warfare would have just been another weapon you choose from.
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Post by: Slarg232
What you just described was essentially the Plasma Cannon.
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Slarg232 wrote:What you just described was essentially the Plasma Cannon. yes, and no... The plasma cannon doesn't kill you on overheat, it just fires. I'd imagine the psychic thing to switch between fire-modes, something close-quarter, directed, and then lanced, and another ranged aoe. Unlike the plasma cannon, the shot could arc around obstacles. They wouldn't have to be aggressive. You could throw up a force wall, that's live while you're casting it, or you could arc lightning around, or blow out some fire out of somwehere. Unlike the plasma cannon, you wouldn't aim it like ordnance... Let's say, you're opening a warp rift to suck your opponent through. Youd leave your third-person view, while you "move" toward the target destination of casting it. The farther it is, the more effort it takes, the higher the odds of failure, and casting said warp-rift on yourself. This way, you could go around the corner to cast it. And yes, your actual character played would be standing perfectly still and vulnerable while you're elsewhere, leaving your character to get shredded. rereading my posts, and the responses, this only confirms that relic failed dismally with the oppoortunity before it in creating a boring 3ps instead of running with the options presented.
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Post by: dogma
About Space Marine, I agree with poda_t. It was mediocre, but good fun for fans of the genre and 40k. I didn't pay full price, and I'm glad I didn't.
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Post by: CT GAMER
purplefood wrote:The biggest problem with Call of Duty the people playing it rather than the game itself
Just like 40k...
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Post by: Melissia
Or Combat Arms.
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Post by: djphranq
While I don't really hate or dislike them the games in the Saint's Row series are some that I just can't seem to get into.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Haha. Some of my favorite games seem to be the ones people are ripping on most. Gears, Mass Effect, Dead Space, Assassin's Creed. That's okay, we don't all have to like the same things.
And to defend Borderlands (just a little), it seems they've listened pretty well about Borderlands' flaws and are trying to remedy them in the second. Borderlands was a fun game that didn't quite live up to its potential, so we'll see how they do with the second.
Not definitive, but just something funny I notice, most people that make fun of Minecraft haven't actually played it. In my experience, anyways.
Now, to get on topic. Call of Duty for sure, played (most) of the games, never cared for them too much. The first Modern Warfare was fun if I had friends online, but that was about all.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It just didn't click with me, I don't know why, just wasn't a big fan. Not knocking it, though.
WoW. Coming from someone who played it for years. Over time, it lost its magic, and now, it's just so boring to me, I tried playing it with my friends again and felt like going to sleep because it bored me so much.
Now, for probably the most controversial one. Amnesia. I thought it was garbage. It felt really clunky, the monster looks like a moron, invisible water monster (really? That's what people think is scary?! Don't get me started on this one), the stupid thing the screen does when you're losing sanity makes me sick, I played through the game and could never get myself to give a crap about the story (coming from someone who generally looks for a good story), and all in all, I just wonder why people think this game is so damn terrifying, because I found it to be dull and can't help but slightly judge anyone who thinks it's scary. Sorry if that offends you, not a personal attack, but I think the hype around it is entirely misplaced.
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Post by: poda_t
dogma wrote:About Space Marine, I agree with poda_t. It was mediocre, but good fun for fans of the genre and 40k. I didn't pay full price, and I'm glad I didn't.
you're spending too much time agreeing with me, this leaves me concerned about how people perceive me on the forum.
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Post by: Melissia
Yeah, fragile breath, those reasons are kind of why I thought penumbra was better. Just... dunno. Amnesia seemed like a step down, focusing too much on graphics and it really didn't help.
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Post by: Tazz Azrael
For me it goes as follows:
all the Gears of War games
all the Halo games (except Reach)
all the CoD games
Diablo 3
Starcraft 2
Armored Core 4
DRINK (thank god i got it as a gift or else i woulda stabed myself)
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Post by: poda_t
Tazz Azrael wrote:
Diablo 3
Starcraft 2
terrible terrible terrible games both, I agree. I got excited for excrementcraft 2, excpecting an upgrade, but it was the same thing again, quite literally, only prettier with different units. After about 6 hours into the game, I managed to convince myself not to take the box back and not to throw it at the employee behind the counter.
Diablo 3 apears to be the same thing too. Diablo 2 was fun for a while, but it's just the same stuff over and again. why? I would have loved to have seen something like torchlight. on a grander scale.
staring at my dual monitors, I would love to have a space-warfare game that makes use of the extra monitorsr....
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Post by: RatBot
I'm no longer terribly fond of World of Warcraft... it's not an awful game, I just got bored of it, am not interested in it, and even everything I've seen of the new upcoming expansion has met with a resounding "meh" from me.
I also did not like StarCraft at all when it was released but I was never a big fan of RTS games to begin with.
I also didn't even buy Diablo 3. I enjoyed the beta where you could only get to level 12, but I was a bit leery of spending money on it. From what I've read and heard, I feel I made the right choice.
I also have little to no interest in Halo, Battlefield, and CoD. I figure I might at some point buy a CoD game, but probably only one since from what I've heard from people who have bought several CoD titles, they all kinda blend together after a while. I'm sure someone somewhere will say "That's not true, you should play them for yourself before you decide, etc etc" to which I say, maybe, but I don't really care. If I do buy one of the games and it turns out that for some reason I really, really like it, then I'd consider buying another one. But right now? Meh. I can think of many other things I'd rather spend that $60 on.
I don't even really *hate* any of those games, I just... don't particularly like them and/or am not terribly interested in them.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Oh boy, I'm probably going to get crucified for this...I didn't like Baldur's Gate. I'm not saying its a bad game; it's not. A lot of effort was put into it and it's pretty cool having a record of your party's exploits and all that. It's just that my first impressions of it weren't that favorable; I found it a bit boring, tbh. But then again, I only played about 2 hours of it, right up to when you find that stuttering warrior and that druid lady. Maybe it'll grow on me. Right now though, it's currently at meh. And just to lay down even more vitriol, I'm going to add any game that you pay for that has an emphasis on multiplayer over single player. Why? Because once the servers are dead (or even if you have gakky internet), that's money down the drain. I don't like that. To me its a waste. Now if a game has excellent single player and excellent multiplayer, then I'm all for it. There aren't many games like that now-a-days, sadly.
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Post by: Melissia
Baldur's gate had its share of problems, to be sure. I enjoyed it, but at the same time, I dont/ know if I could really go back to it after hte various improvements that NWN gave.
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Post by: Daemonhammer
CoD 1,2 and 4 i enjoyed but all that came next were just clones of itself
Same goes for halo 1, 2 ,3 and reach, but ODST was pure and utter failure imo
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Post by: Cheesecat
JPRPG's: I don't get the appeal of JRPG's to me RPG's are all about choice and a unique experience which is something that I think WRPG's excel in. In JRPG's you're forced to play Character that you had no influence in creating, go through a story that you can't change, the combat often has a boring turn-base style, the visuals often look gaudy and you play in linear levels. What makes video-games unique and fun over other forms of media (movies, books, etc) is interaction but JRPG's seem to be designed to minimize as much interaction as possible.
Turn-Based Games: I hate turn-based games except for Fire Emblem and Advance Wars games. Mainly because the meaningful decisions that happens in theses games is during combat so that's why I'm glad that Fire Emblem and Advance Wars got rid of all the stuff that makes turn-based games boring (overly pretentious stories that you have to sit and watch, random encounters, dungeon crawling, long animation during turns, too many option in a turn, etc).
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Cheesecat wrote:JPRPG's: I don't get the appeal of JRPG's to me RPG's are all about choice and a unique experience which is something that I think WRPG's excel in. In JRPG's you're forced to play Character that you had no influence in creating, go through a story that you can't change, the combat often has a boring turn-base style, the visuals often look gaudy and you play in linear levels. What makes video-games unique and fun over other forms of media (movies, books, etc) is interaction but JRPG's seem to be designed to minimize as much interaction as possible.
Yeah, I don't like JRPG's either. Its not really a role playing game now is it? You just play as generic hero X with personality trait X and some set skills.
I haven't seen any JRPGs so fair that actually allows you to change the story directly.
That, and the combat is silly.
"Oh, look the enemy is several feet away from us. Let's let them charge forward, punch us, and run back to where they were. And after they all had a go, lets do the same to them!"
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
I don't really like Legacy of Kain to be honest.
I found the game play and the controls to be horrible.
Too clunky for my liking.
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Post by: RossDas
CthuluIsSpy wrote:I don't really like Legacy of Kain to be honest.
I found the game play and the controls to be horrible.
Too clunky for my liking.
It went downhill after Soul Reaver on the PS1; Blood Omen 2 was especially poor. Have yet to play the final game but am very interested in studio talk about a reboot of SR1.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
RossDas wrote:CthuluIsSpy wrote:I don't really like Legacy of Kain to be honest. I found the game play and the controls to be horrible. Too clunky for my liking.
It went downhill after Soul Reaver on the PS1; Blood Omen 2 was especially poor. Have yet to play the final game but am very interested in studio talk about a reboot of SR1. Yeah, I played the most recent one, Defiance I think it was, and the controls just felt unnatural to me. Blood Omen 2 was slightly better, but it didn't feel right.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
For me, i'd have to start with WoW...not because its a horrible game per se, but because i am 'forced' to hear about it regularly at work...
Any xbox360 'exclusive' title.
The cod series, starting to get the same with battlefield, but not MoH (probably because of how realistic moh was written)
The madden/ncaa franchises...i just dont see enough change from year to year as they claim, unlike their hockey franchise.
I recently went through searching for a 'good' spaceship type game, and found EvE to be entirely too complicated (settled on star trek online, fyi and having a blast there)
Thats about what ive thought up fpr now...there may be some later on.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Ensis Ferrae wrote:For me, i'd have to start with WoW...not because its a horrible game per se, but because i am 'forced' to hear about it regularly at work...
Any xbox360 'exclusive' title.
The cod series, starting to get the same with battlefield, but not MoH (probably because of how realistic moh was written)
The madden/ncaa franchises...i just dont see enough change from year to year as they claim, unlike their hockey franchise.
I recently went through searching for a 'good' spaceship type game, and found EvE to be entirely too complicated (settled on star trek online, fyi and having a blast there)
Thats about what ive thought up fpr now...there may be some later on.
I heard good things about freespace and descent...though I myself didn't like them that much.
Mainly due to the controls though. Don't get me wrong, the controls aren't horrible and clunky like some other games I've played...they are just a bit complicated for my liking. You might like them though.
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Post by: Slarg232
Ensis Ferrae wrote:Any xbox360 'exclusive' title.
Why?
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Post by: A Town Called Malus
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Oh boy, I'm probably going to get crucified for this...I didn't like Baldur's Gate. I'm not saying its a bad game; it's not. A lot of effort was put into it and it's pretty cool having a record of your party's exploits and all that. It's just that my first impressions of it weren't that favorable; I found it a bit boring, tbh. But then again, I only played about 2 hours of it, right up to when you find that stuttering warrior and that druid lady. Maybe it'll grow on me. Right now though, it's currently at meh. The first one was good. Not amazing but still a good story. It really starts to pick up after you actually get access to Baldur's Gate, which sadly is quite a bit into the game so there's a bit of a trek to get there. The sequel Shadows of Amn is amazing. A much more involved storyline with more varied locations and greater character development, not to mention the huge increase in character classes available to you (instead of just being a Fighter you could be a Berserker, Kensai or Wizard Slayer, each with their own pros and cons) . Even if you haven't completed the first I'd recommend trying it out. Also there's a couple of mods out there which let you run BG1 using BG2s improved engine giving you access to the new character classes, better weapon specialisation, slightly better graphics etc. introduced in the second game, which I would recommend.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Since I already flamed a classic, I might as well flame another; Syndicate.
Didn't like it at all. I found the game play to be...awkward. I prefer X-COM, really.
However, the franchise still did not deserve to be butchered by EA.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Slarg232 wrote:Ensis Ferrae wrote:Any xbox360 'exclusive' title.
Why?
in large part, because I have a PS3..
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Post by: Leigen_Zero
poda_t wrote:staring at my dual monitors, I would love to have a space-warfare game that makes use of the extra monitorsr....
Apparently EVE Online allows multiple monitor support (if you're willing to quit your day job), never played it myself so not sure of the extent of the support but I was looking to starting up a while ago (then I did the whole 'this is how much time I have vs how much time I need to put in to have fun' thing and decided not to sign up).
As for me, I really dislike the supreme commander games, mainly because games were always 'who gets to the highest tech level 1st wins' that consisted of
-Create a gigantic build queue with an ETA of about 2 hours
-Go get some lunch
-Get up to highest tech level
-start building the massive superheavys
-go watch tv
-come back, win game.
I think its the 'long term investment' style that irks me the most, when I play games I like there to be a lot of action (even in simulations and RTS games), rather than 'two dudes sit at opposite ends of map doing diddly squat for 3 hours, then wipe each other out in 2 minutes' (similarly why I can't get into the Civilisation series and/or the <insert nation>:Total War games either)
Also, I really wasn't a fan of the the baldurs gate and/or nwn games, I just didn't find them very engaging, and is places just really boring...
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Post by: Ifepy
DoW 2
Borderlands
Mass Effect by far
CoD
WoW
I can't play those
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Post by: Jumpin Jesus
If you throw your average mmo in front of me, Im going to hate it.
CoD is another one. At one point it was actually fun for me. But after they kept releasing it over and over, I had had enough.
Gears of War is another one. I cant stand that game.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Cheesecat wrote:JPRPG's: I don't get the appeal of JRPG's to me RPG's are all about choice and a unique experience which is something that I think WRPG's excel in. In JRPG's you're forced to play Character that you had no influence in creating, go through a story that you can't change, the combat often has a boring turn-base style, the visuals often look gaudy and you play in linear levels. What makes video-games unique and fun over other forms of media (movies, books, etc) is interaction but JRPG's seem to be designed to minimize as much interaction as possible.
Turn-Based Games: I hate turn-based games except for Fire Emblem and Advance Wars games. Mainly because the meaningful decisions that happens in theses games is during combat so that's why I'm glad that Fire Emblem and Advance Wars got rid of all the stuff that makes turn-based games boring (overly pretentious stories that you have to sit and watch, random encounters, dungeon crawling, long animation during turns, too many option in a turn, etc).
You see, I don't like that attitude. It seems to be the case that an RPG can be as good as it wants, but if it's not "open" there will be cries of "Eurgh, it's linear, I don't like it" and IGN or whatever will rate it down. I think JRPGs tend to try and focus on telling a story more than the gameplay. With WRPGs, it's "We have our gameplay system, lets build the story around it" whereas in Japan, they go "Right, we have this cool story, lets build the gameplay around it".
Final Fantasy XIII for example: cool combat system, great music, cool character designs, decent voice acting and STUPENDOUS graphics...But you can't go nuts, run about a great big map, get lost, forget where you were supposed to be going and go around shouting at cows, so people whined.
Skyrim on the other hand: Yeah, it is OK, the graphics are alright and the whole thing is certainly an improvement on the mess that was Oblivion, but the game just lacks something. The style is just...dull. Everything is muted, it doesn't seem very...fantastical. Without the dragons and magic it could have been a realistic medievil game. But it was big and open and you could forget where you were going in it, so it's obviously the best game ever.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
The Syndicate FPS. It amazes me that it got such good reviews, since it was such a dull, horrible game.
So...boring. The story was pretty crap as well. Normally I don't care much for stories in games (outside of RPGs, of course); if it has a good story, great, kudos to the developers but its not a requirement.
But in the Syndicate FPS it just struck me as pretentious. Like they were trying to give some social message that just failed horribly because the game was just so dull and bland.
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Post by: poda_t
CthuluIsSpy wrote:The Syndicate FPS. It amazes me that it got such good reviews, since it was such a dull, horrible game.
So...boring. The story was pretty crap as well. Normally I don't care much for stories in games (outside of RPGs, of course); if it has a good story, great, kudos to the developers but its not a requirement.
But in the Syndicate FPS it just struck me as pretentious. Like they were trying to give some social message that just failed horribly because the game was just so dull and bland.
I'm 25, and i remember playing the original syndicate, and it's sequels. The only thing that excited me about Syndicate FPS was the nostalgia and the remix on the theme by skrillex.
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Post by: farrowking37
CthuluIsSpy wrote:As a follow up to my previous thread (about obscure or underrated games that, in your opinion, needs more credit), this thread is the opposite - what games do you think THAT YOU HAVE PLAYED are terrible and/or overrated, and yet for some absurd reason have a large following.
For me, its Halo and CoD.
I don't really see the appeal behind them, I really don't.
Oh, And I'm throwing in Battlefield as well, for being a blatant CoD clone. I don't care what everyone else says, it looks like fething CoD to me.
Ok, after a bit of reflection, hate is a bit strong of a word. Games that you are disinterested in or think are overrated might be more accurate.
I have to say have you actually played battlefield, as it plays much different to CoD
while CoD has cramped maps with little to no cover, battlefield has wide open maps, and a good amount of cover, and every gun has a different felling to it unlike CoD.
Now to the games everybody seems to like but i don't. I never really loved skyrim, it's a solid game, i just wish that you could build a thief and not have to worry about combat constantly.
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Post by: Galdos
Okay I realized this game is a mixed reviewed game but here is another one.
KotOR 2.
I dont dislike it, I actually HATE it. I think it is the WORST game I have ever played. Not one of the, I really do think this is the worst one of my entire collection.
Followed by Ghost Recon ... Future Warrior? The one that comes after Ghost Recon 2 that takes place in Mexico.
Ghost Recon whatever it was called completely failed to act like any of the other Ghost Recon games which I hated. Lvls were unappealing, they did a horrible job telling the story (especially after Ghost Recon 2) and your allies were WORTHLESS, considering how important your allies were in the first few games, this annoyed me to no end.
And KotOR2... the real question is what DID I like about it? The Companions were decent, except you spend a huge chunck of the game with the 2 worst companions I have ever encountered. (Anton, EVERYTHING about him I hate, from back story, to the way he acts, to his special quality and Kreia was so appaling and annoying it was unbeliaveable)
The story? Horrible, it remains to be the ONLY game I have ever played that I actually said out loud while playing the game "Why am I actually doing this?"
Climax? So increadibly anti-climatic its not even funny.
Its not like Borderlands or Ghost Recon whatever that one was called in which I simply didnt like or Final Fantasy which I dont get why people enjoy it. This game was so bad in my eyes that I can not comprehend how people think this game is even okay, much less a good game.
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Post by: Bromsy
Squigsquasher wrote:
You see, I don't like that attitude. It seems to be the case that an RPG can be as good as it wants, but if it's not "open" there will be cries of "Eurgh, it's linear, I don't like it" and IGN or whatever will rate it down. I think JRPGs tend to try and focus on telling a story more than the gameplay. With WRPGs, it's "We have our gameplay system, lets build the story around it" whereas in Japan, they go "Right, we have this cool story, lets build the gameplay around it".
I like open world games. But far more important is having some sort of choice. That is where JRPGs fall short. Even the illusion of choice by having different dialogue options is absent. You go down the path, you get in the fights they want, you say what they want. I have books for that, which generally involve less grinding and whiny protagonists with weird hair.
Galdos wrote:Okay I realized this game is a mixed reviewed game but here is another one.
KotOR 2.
I dont dislike it, I actually HATE it. I think it is the WORST game I have ever played. Not one of the, I really do think this is the worst one of my entire collection.
I want you to list your entire collection so I can refute this properly. It's not quite KoTOR, but it a damned enjoyable game, and if it the worst of your collection you are a lucky individual.
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Post by: Cheesecat
Point and click adventure games, how can anybody find these games fun?
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Post by: Galdos
Im picky about the games I own. I dont usually buy things unless I know I will like it. KotOR2 I heard was okay, it just wasnt finished so I said "why not" and tried it because I loved the first one.
For me the most important thing is the story, and the key to a good story are the characters.
I HATED KotOR2s story. I did not understand why I should care?
The start of the game was AWFUL because I hated Anton and Kreia so much. To make things worse, as I talked to them more and more, I hated them more and more.
Ya the big thing for me was the story. Maybe I would have felt differently if it wasnt for the fact that the first game the story was actually important to the galaxy and the second game was just a giant waste of time.
I actually thought C&C 4 was a better game, that gives you an idea how much I hate KotOR 2's story. (At least the story in C&C 4 felt kind of important)
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Post by: Grakmar
Cheesecat wrote:Point and click adventure games, how can anybody find these games fun?
Back when graphics were terrible, and games file sizes were severely limited, they were pretty awesome. It was either that or playing Oregon Trail for the millionth time.
At this point, I think it's mainly nostalgia.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
Final Fantasy (every single one)
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Post by: guyperson5
1. WoW. I was crap at it and I thought Skyrim was much better
2. Sport games
3. Fable 3. Felt a bit like kingdom hearts put into an MA15+. And you can't die, so I don't see why you need guns 'n' stuff
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Eldar Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Crappy graphics, terrible voice acting, no idea where you're supposed to be going, a piss-poor environment, and as for the persuasion wheel thingy...Ugh.
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Post by: Phototoxin
Halo, Cod, FEAR, mortal kombat, street fighter, FFVII, WoW and Dragon Age.
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Post by: Locclo
Grakmar wrote: Cheesecat wrote:Point and click adventure games, how can anybody find these games fun?
Back when graphics were terrible, and games file sizes were severely limited, they were pretty awesome. It was either that or playing Oregon Trail for the millionth time.
At this point, I think it's mainly nostalgia.
I'd like to think that back in the day, before the advent of the internet and online strategy guides, they could last a long, long time. I haven't played many, myself (pretty much just the first three Monkey Island games, along with the Sam & Max series) but a prime example is in Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge. If it weren't for me having a strategy guide to follow, it would have taken me weeks to finish. There are literally dozens of items that wind up in your inventory at one point or another, something like four different islands to traverse (and no real direction as to which order), and after every plot advance, you could go back to every one to see if something is new there.
Personally, I'm not a fan of them. I was even pretty annoyed at Monkey Island 2, and got about halfway through Monkey Island 3 before giving up. Modern ones are at least bearable (Sam & Max series, Back to the Future) simply because they're mostly linear and there's a certain kind of logic behind all the things you have to do. But older ones like the Monkey Island games were brutally convoluted at times.
As to the original topic, there aren't many games that I honestly disliked that everyone else seemed to like, but the big two were League of Legends and Supreme Commander. League of Legends (and really, all MOBA games) I just can't stand because of the terrible, terrible community towards newbies. I tried a game or two, just trying to learn how to play, and after all the general abuse, I just gave up and uninstalled it. Even playing with friends was no fun because I knew I was the weakest link of the team.
As to Supreme Commander, I just have a general dislike of micro in games. I had a ton of fun playing the Dawn of War games because for the most part, the levels could be beaten by making up a doom-blob of units and sending them out towards the enemy base. I tried on more than one occasion to play Supreme Commander (I tried it three different times, actually, thankfully I never spent money on it) and I just couldn't stand trying to deal with utterly massive armies of single-model units. Honestly, I think part of it is that Dawn of War ruined me for traditional RTS games, given that buying one unit could easily have 30 guys in it.
Oh, and despite my friends' pushing and raving over it, I just couldn't stand City of Heroes at all. It seemed like every mission was the same, and I just grew to despise the lousy UI as well as the lackluster combat system ( IMO). I much preferred Champions Online given its far more extensive character creator and the action-oriented gameplay.
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Post by: Ezki
As a dota/hon player I must say League of Legends. I don't hate the game, but it seems a bit too casual compared to those two (tried ~10-15 games).
Now a days I also dislike CoD, all the versions are just too similar and the game is popilated by quickscoping youngsters..
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Post by: Soladrin
LoL, Mass Effect, CoD, and everything anyone suggests on skype.
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Post by: SilentApocalypse
As for me, I really dislike the supreme commander games, mainly because games were always 'who gets to the highest tech level 1st wins' that consisted of
-Create a gigantic build queue with an ETA of about 2 hours
-Go get some lunch
-Get up to highest tech level
-start building the massive superheavys
-go watch tv
-come back, win game.
I think its the 'long term investment' style that irks me the most, when I play games I like there to be a lot of action (even in simulations and RTS games), rather than 'two dudes sit at opposite ends of map doing diddly squat for 3 hours, then wipe each other out in 2 minutes' (similarly why I can't get into the Civilisation series and/or the <insert nation>:Total War games either)
Okay, I know that was the way most custom games got set up for supcom (90% Seton's Clutch with 20min no rush, etc.), but if you ever played ranked matches or got a serious custom game going, they were high intensity. Not starcraft 2 style micro, but every single second you had to watch your resource income, make it come as close to 0 as possible to minimize waste, all while trying to balance resource production with military and hold your position.
Some things that disappointed me though were the imbalance between units and tiers as well as inadequate base defenses. T3 units were superior to an equal cost of T1 and T2 units in almost every case. They even outclassed most experimental units on a by cost basis.
The other thing was some units were almost completely useless, e.g. mobile tactical missile launchers, and others, like strategic bombers, had a bug that made them always hit way too far in front of their targets. The navy is probably the worst offender here alongside strategic missile launchers.
Strangely enough, my one criticism of ranked was that it was rare to ever have a match progress long enough to access the upper tier units, while customs usually solely consisted of the high tech equipment.
All in all, Supreme Commander remains my favorite game of all time. I'm not saying your criticisms don't have value, because you could get into games like that. But when you got into a close 4v4 match with competent players, every unit out of thousands was an investment.
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Post by: thefarseerofnorthryde
World Of Warcraft.
I hate having to buy a game, and then pay again to actually play it
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Anyone else kinda disinterested in the God of War series? I admit I never played it, but at the same time, I'm not sure if I want to.
There's just something...off about it.
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Post by: d3m01iti0n
Halo, CoD, Oblivion....I could go on. I rather play Zork.
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Post by: mega_bassist
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Anyone else kinda disinterested in the God of War series? I admit I never played it, but at the same time, I'm not sure if I want to.
There's just something...off about it.
By the third God of War, I was honestly bored with the series. I only played the third so I could finish the story...Really, all of the games were fun for a single play-through, but that's about it.
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Post by: Doctadeth
Eve.
Got into the character functions, the spaceships etc. Then tried combat. Its just so CLUNKY, it feels like a 3rd person shooter mixed with a military simulation, and the controls....I used to play darkness and its easier than that.
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Post by: CallsignNeptune
Half Life 2, Gears of War, WoW and Mass Effect. They just don't do it for me.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Doctadeth wrote:Eve.
Got into the character functions, the spaceships etc. Then tried combat. Its just so CLUNKY, it feels like a 3rd person shooter mixed with a military simulation, and the controls....I used to play darkness and its easier than that.
I attempted to play EVE a little while back, and I really disliked many of the control functions... This is why I ended up playing Star Trek Online, which has it's plusses and minuses... basically, I hate using a menu interface to tell my ship to engage, I'd rather use my mouse and whatnot, to get "live" feedback into the battle.
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Post by: Nightfall
CoD... I can't stand it any more. I have been to too many LAN's were CoD 4 was the only game played, and all the rounds were quick scoping wars.
Mass Effect I did not have the time too go through all the dialog, and the controls were really bad on PC.
Battlefield 3... also known as Battlefield of Duty. The game was all graphics and not enough Battlefield gameplay and more CoD gameplay . The maps were to small for the jets to fight properly, and on top of the a perk system... WHY!?
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Post by: redbristles
Despite being a big fan of the rpg genre putting hundreds of hours into Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, I find Mass Effect to be unbearably dull.
CoD, MW2 onwards have really got boring, I just don't have fun playing them, isn't that the point of games at the end of the day?
Played WoW for a few hours but just couldn't justify paying continuously to play a game. Also it's really not that exciting at all.
FF series, the stories are so ridiculous I just can't get into them, I know the video game industry is rarely commended for realism, but gah those games.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
It is called Final FANTASY. Not "Final Realistic Millitary First Person Shooter of Duty".
It isn't supposed to be realistic, and for that I love it.
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Post by: Riddick40k
Didn't take the full time to look and see if this game was already listed but... Endwar was just.... Just god awful.... The gameplay, the units, its juat a massive game of paper, rock, scissors.... The only decent thing about that came is the opening trailer...
Also i cannot bring myself to try WoW ever again... The graphics and gameplay makes me want to hit something....
And I have been a leading believer that Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and Kirby... Should all be taken around back, and forced to watch as one at a time each are placed infront of the rest, on their knees,and shot execution style...
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Post by: Galdos
Riddick40k wrote:Didn't take the full time to look and see if this game was already listed but... Endwar was just.... Just god awful.... The gameplay, the units, its juat a massive game of paper, rock, scissors.... The only decent thing about that came is the opening trailer...
Also i cannot bring myself to try WoW ever again... The graphics and gameplay makes me want to hit something....
And I have been a leading believer that Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and Kirby... Should all be taken around back, and forced to watch as one at a time each are placed infront of the rest, on their knees,and shot execution style...
Well to be fair, EndWar wasnt actually very successful. I got it for 6 dollars on Steam and thought enjoyed it but than again, I got it for 6 dollars. The prologue was pretty good in my eyes and if the entire game was like that it would have been pretty good overall. However it seemed designed around that mass online multiplayer feature I thought I saw it had
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Riddick40k wrote:Didn't take the full time to look and see if this game was already listed but... Endwar was just.... Just god awful.... The gameplay, the units, its juat a massive game of paper, rock, scissors.... The only decent thing about that came is the opening trailer... Also i cannot bring myself to try WoW ever again... The graphics and gameplay makes me want to hit something.... And I have been a leading believer that Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and Kirby... Should all be taken around back, and forced to watch as one at a time each are placed infront of the rest, on their knees,and shot execution style... Oh yeah, I remember Endwar. What a gakky game, gimmick based game. Wasn't it critically acclaimed though? I remember it receiving great reviews, and alot of hype went into it.
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Post by: DeadlySquirrel
Ass-creed.
Any CoD past 2, except WaW.
BF3
DoW Soulstorm
DoW 2
Any C&C past Red Alert 2
All the Splinter Cells
Most Ghost Recons, except the new one.
All sports games, except Backbreaker.
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Post by: Riddick40k
I'll also throw in Starcraft...
Besides the cinimatics if i wanted to kill aliens with space marines i'll stick to DoW or even AVP
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Post by: Galdos
Riddick40k wrote:I'll also throw in Starcraft...
Besides the cinimatics if i wanted to kill aliens with space marines i'll stick to DoW or even AVP
You would play DoW? A game that came out long after Starcraft did? Or AVP, which is a FPS?
There are good reasons to dislike Starcraft I am sure, the reasons you gave are kind of weird. (I would even accept, I just dont like it)
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Post by: poda_t
Galdos wrote: Riddick40k wrote:I'll also throw in Starcraft...
Besides the cinimatics if i wanted to kill aliens with space marines i'll stick to DoW or even AVP
You would play DoW? A game that came out long after Starcraft did? Or AVP, which is a FPS?
There are good reasons to dislike Starcraft I am sure, the reasons you gave are kind of weird. (I would even accept, I just dont like it)
you DO realize that another starcraft had just come out, and many of us refuse to refer to it as starcraft 2 because it fails to provide any meaningful diffrences to disntinguish it from the pervious starcraft especially as none of the mechanics have changed?
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Post by: Riddick40k
Galdos wrote: Riddick40k wrote:I'll also throw in Starcraft...
Besides the cinimatics if i wanted to kill aliens with space marines i'll stick to DoW or even AVP
You would play DoW? A game that came out long after Starcraft did? Or AVP, which is a FPS?
There are good reasons to dislike Starcraft I am sure, the reasons you gave are kind of weird. (I would even accept, I just dont like it)
They weren't even reasons tbh, I would much rather play both or instead of AVP to keep with the rts I would say CNC.
There's too many reasons to list for me to say how much I dislike Starcraft
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Post by: Galdos
poda_t wrote: Galdos wrote: Riddick40k wrote:I'll also throw in Starcraft...
Besides the cinimatics if i wanted to kill aliens with space marines i'll stick to DoW or even AVP
You would play DoW? A game that came out long after Starcraft did? Or AVP, which is a FPS?
There are good reasons to dislike Starcraft I am sure, the reasons you gave are kind of weird. (I would even accept, I just dont like it)
you DO realize that another starcraft had just come out, and many of us refuse to refer to it as starcraft 2 because it fails to provide any meaningful diffrences to disntinguish it from the pervious starcraft especially as none of the mechanics have changed?
Then you should refer to it as Starcraft 2. Especially sense the two games are extremely different from each other.
You may have noticed they tell two very different stories ( SC had 3 Camps, SC2 had 1)
The way they tell the story is very different (Interaction between characters, pick the order of your missions)
The massive additions done to User Map Settings how can can do anything you want pretty much
The host of new units, removal of a few classics
If you say that Starcaft 2 shouldnt be refered to as a sequal because the factions look very similar to the way they were in the original game and because the combat mechanics are the same you have a strange opinion on what a sequel to a game should be.
Logically there are only like 3 Command and Conquers right? Command and Conquer and Red Alert 3 and Generals? There are no other sequels in that universe?
Only one Warcaft?
Only one Medal of Honor?
Only 2 Call of Duties?
Only 2 Resident Evils?
You say that it should have "meaningful diffrences to disntinguish it from the pervious starcraft especially as none of the mechanics have changed?"
Who said they needed to do ANY of this to make a good sequel. Im not saying Starcaft 2 is a good sequel but to say that Starcaft 2 doenst even deserve the name of Starcaft 2 because its not any different from the original is just... dumb and makes me wonder what you expected out of Starcaft 2. I personally expected a good story (it was okay) that was of considerable length with balanced factions, great multiplayer, and amazing User Map Settings.
Would you refer to something like the Phantom Menace as "Star Wars" (When you meant ONLY the Phantom Menace and none of the others)
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Starcaft 2 but to say you dislike because it was similar to the original, an original that everyone loves ... just seems kind of backwards. "
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Post by: Coolyo294
Borderlands. The art style just grates on me.
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