Just as the question says...with the following conditions.
1) You can choose which age you will be, from which point onwards you will not age.
2) You don't get sick.
3) You cannot die. AT ALL. Even if your body is destroyed, your energy will reform and restore your body to normal condition.
4) You will have limited ability to manipulate probability relative to yourself so long as do not negate your immortality.
5) You can choose to make one other person immortal, just one.
6) Whether you mate with an immortal or not, your children will be mortal.
7) Even if the universe dies, you will survive (and with your limited probability alteration, you could make your own pocket universe).
I already feel concerned about losing my strength and Im only 32 but Im a little slower than I was at 22. The idea of being frail and weak frightens me, so If I would stay at 25 for my whole life, I would jump at the chance, and feth the consequences.
I already feel concerned about losing my strength and Im only 32 but Im a little slower than I was at 22. The idea of being frail and weak frightens me, so If I would stay at 25 for my whole life, I would jump at the chance, and feth the consequences.
As I said, even if you're 92, and you wish to be immortal with the body of an 18 year old, so be it. Me, I'm 19, and I wish to be immortal with a body of a 28 year old male at peak physical condition.
It would suck not being able to end my life when I wanted to ,but at the same time, I'm a rather laid back person... not one of those people who HAVE to be doing something or they'll go insane.
Squigsquasher wrote:Yes yes yes. Oh, the havoc I could wreak...
You do realize you can alter only the probabilities of those possibilities that are connected to you, right? If an event has no connection to you, your powers will not function.
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
Squigsquasher wrote:Yes yes yes. Oh, the havoc I could wreak...
You do realize you can alter only the probabilities of those possibilities that are connected to you, right? If an event has no connection to you, your powers will not function.
I know. But I'd be immortal. I could take on the army. I could rule the world.
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
What was the guy's name...ah yes. Doctor Paradox...he went insane for a million years, got bored, learned all he could and became an instinctive time traveler. Yeah, you would probably gain more abilities apart from the regular Human abilities and probability alteration you started out with.
BTW, for those people who won't accept because you fear the loss of your loved ones, keep in mind that while you cannot make all of them immortal, you can make one other person immortal. So you get immortality and eternal love. Just perfect...
Eccentricity would just keep it interesting. I'd go for it unquestionably. There's a lot you could probably do if you can't die.
The bigger question of it all would be who else to make immortal. Do you act humble and use all the extra time to help everyone or do you mention you can make just one person immortal and watch the world clamer at your feet? Or do you walk around going "I remember when that [object] was a [old object]"?
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Melissia wrote:I would use my probability powers to prevent the heat death of the universe!
Depends, can you extend it in such a way as to not save the donkey-caves.
Melissia wrote:I would use my probability powers to prevent the heat death of the universe!
I'd use them to set myself up to win the lottery, then ensure my investments etc were extremely successful. After a few decades/however long it took I would start heavily investing in human genetic modification so that I'd be able to have fun powers and abilities for all time
But you can suppress it probably if you wanted. Make them think they chose what they wanted to choose when in fact it was set up to make them choose what you wanted them to the entire time; giving the illusion of free will.
As for sacrifices, well I guess you could trick it by going for scum only.
n0t_u wrote:But you can suppress it probably if you wanted. Make them think they chose what they wanted to choose when in fact it was set up to make them choose what you wanted them to the entire time; giving the illusion of free will.
As for sacrifices, well I guess you could trick it by going for scum only.
True, while you can't overcome your limitations directly, you can go around them and surpass them (some of it, anyway) indirectly.
Jihadin wrote:I won't. I rather go to Elysium. Why would I want to outlive all my immediate family.
Ah well, see it all depends on if there is an Elysium or not doesn't it?
I doubt there is, and It would be immortality anyway if you were sentient and there forever wouldn't it?
If It was proven that a heaven existed, then I might just fething die instead, because wouldn't it be pretty much the same thing?
If there is a heaven, you aren't going to remain the same age you were at time of death are you?
I mean, it would be cool if you got hit by a bus at 19, but most of us would be wandering around Elysium in a wheelchair, with tubes stuck up our arses and IV drips on wheels following us.
Which was always my issue with the digitally remastered star wars, when they all rock up at the party at the end of episode 6, why is Darth Vadar young again (that annoying fething actor out of Jumper) but Obi Wan is still old as feth?
Surely when he died he would opt to come back at 25 (Ewan McGregor) as well wouldn't he?!
mattyrm wrote:Surely when he died he would opt to come back at 25 (Ewan McGregor) as well wouldn't he?!
They are planning on fixing all these issues in the re-re-re-re-re-re-this-is-the-last-one-honest-we-really-mean-it-this-time-re-re-mastered version (now with extra Jar-Jar Binks).
To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Mine would be a northern land, where snowy mountains reach upwards towards the hopeful heavens, where grass and flowers bloom in spring, clear nights with brilliant stars singing of eternity at summer, rich harvests at autumn, and joyful festivities at winter. Elves and Men live in peace in a pre-Industrial state, and I can wander the world as I see fit and just enjoy myself without any of the worries that preoccupy our modern world.
Tadashi wrote:To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Given that it is likely to be many billion years in the future, I have no idea what this universe would look like - by then I assume I would be a very different being to that which I am now.
Tadashi wrote:To make this more interesting, what would be your pocket universe look like?
Given that it is likely to be many billion years in the future, I have no idea what this universe would look like - by then I assume I would be a very different being to that which I am now.
Ha! We walk with the form of puny Humans, but those with talents and sensitivities can sense the aura of power around us. We will be like the Great Old Ones of H.P. Lovecraft, and worlds tremble at our touch - but if I'm not wreaking havok amongst the stars, I will most likely be sleeping the days away or just enjoying myself in the Northern Lands.
AustonT wrote:If I could be immortal in the world of Milo Morai I would absolutely do it.
Probably. It'd be nice and it would totally change your perspective on things-for one, who needs to get caught up in politics when all of this generation of politicians will be dead and gone in relatively no time at all. It would suck in some ways-if you make your current love/partner immortal, you cannot make anyone else immortal, even if you realize that you cannot stand your partner and find a new one.
Also, my pocket universe has already been created. I even have maps drawn out. Care to see?
Yes. Feth yes. And I know exactly who I'm taking with me.
As for my pocket universe...
Hello Armageddon.
Hey, why not two? I'm thinking somewhere nice, and Armageddon. You know that Guardsman that one-shots a Hive tyrant? Or Falcon punches a Greater Daemon of Khorne? Yeah, that's me.
Just hope that a metor does not crash into the earth and set life back to small reptiles and rodents.
Life would be pretty boring watching them from millions of years.
On a serious note -- if humanity were immortal, we would have some big problems
- We would use up all the space on the earth very quickly, food resources would become a problem.
- We would never evolve. Evolution happens for a reason.
I'm leaning towards yes, what with all those extra bonuses you listed. There may be drawbacks to living forever, but it's probably better than living the normal human life expectancy.
Real-world answer?
Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.
know. But I'd be immortal. I could take on the army. I could rule the world.
Your not protected from pain. Physical and emotional. Being the sadistic soldier I am..well to some I'm called "Uncle Sargie Wilkie...if we know your immortal and you decide to take on the army. We're going to hear you scream like a Primarch when you take multiple rounds to the Jimmy
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Here you go. It's a little rough, but I drew it in about 15 minutes. I plan on going back in and redrawing it more carefully and completely.
Pretty cool
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Jihadin wrote:
know. But I'd be immortal. I could take on the army. I could rule the world.
Your not protected from pain. Physical and emotional. Being the sadistic soldier I am..well to some I'm called "Uncle Sargie Wilkie...if we know your immortal and you decide to take on the army. We're going to hear you scream like a Primarch when you take multiple rounds to the Jimmy
Who knows, a couple of lifetimes meditation could let you skip out on pain.
At some point, I'd get bored, and with nothing new to amuse me, it would be like a private little hell.
Has anyone read Sandman by Neil Gaiman? The story of Hob Gadling fits in pretty well with this topic. Death and Dream, as a kind of game, gave him immortality. Every 100 years, Dream and Hob would meet at the same bar/tavern/club they had met the first time around, and Dream would inquire about Hob's life, and if he wished to die. Throughout all the years, Hob went through many ups and downs, but always wanted to keep going, because he always was curious of what came next, and always had hope for the future, even in the hardest of times.
Honestly, one of the best characters and subplots of the entire series.
At some point, I'd get bored, and with nothing new to amuse me, it would be like a private little hell.
Has anyone read Sandman by Neil Gaiman? The story of Hob Gadling fits in pretty well with this topic. Death and Dream, as a kind of game, gave him immortality. Every 100 years, Dream and Hob would meet at the same bar/tavern/club they had met the first time around, and Dream would inquire about Hob's life, and if he wished to die. Throughout all the years, Hob went through many ups and downs, but always wanted to keep going, because he always was curious of what came next, and always had hope for the future, even in the hardest of times.
Honestly, one of the best characters and subplots of the entire series.
Have to say that I did like that story. I think the problem here is that it is such an unknown - how much does/can/will/have to a person change in order to be able to embrace eternity?
Best hope you stay on good terms with the other immortal or eternal life could get to be more of a drag.
Myself, I think I'd get bored after the first thousand years or so because everything would start being just a replay of all that had gone before.
I would be willing to shoulder the burden of immortality so that all you little figments of my imagination could keep runnin' around doing your thing. It will be a sad day when I pass away and the Universe ceases to be.
AustonT wrote:If I could be immortal in the world of Milo Morai I would absolutely do it.
Bili was way more bad ass. But I wouldn't mind chumming around with a cat.
Bromsy wrote:I think if I could only pick one person, I would find someone to be my nemesis. Way more interesting than eternal love.
Would have to be a good nemesis. Someone who you could have a form of mutual respect with. While still trying to undermine and defeat for eons at a time.
Bromsy wrote:I think if I could only pick one person, I would find someone to be my nemesis. Way more interesting than eternal love.
An eternal love will probably eventually become a nemesis. Then as the millions or billions of years wear on an indifference will probably set in as you just ignore each other and go on about your own things in different parts of the universe.
How much will it cost to make it happen up front? and... How many people are being made the same offer?
Free and just me? Yes
Free and 100 other people? errr Probably.
A million dollars and just me? Yes.
A million dollars and like 100 other people? No.
A billion dollars and just me? Yes, but financially problematic.
A billion dollars and 100 other people? Certainly not.
know. But I'd be immortal. I could take on the army. I could rule the world.
Your not protected from pain. Physical and emotional. Being the sadistic soldier I am..well to some I'm called "Uncle Sargie Wilkie...if we know your immortal and you decide to take on the army. We're going to hear you scream like a Primarch when you take multiple rounds to the Jimmy
Until probability alteration turns the entire army into a pile of corpses...like say, I want the probability that the army is alive is zero - all of you just fall dead in an instant.
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KingCracker wrote:Now are we talking nothing can kill you immortal? Or you just live forever until something kills you?
If something kills you you kind of rematerialise again later on I think... (if your body is completely destroyed anyway).
If you're injured, just manipulate probability and reverse the damage.
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Bromsy wrote:I think if I could only pick one person, I would find someone to be my nemesis. Way more interesting than eternal love.
An eternal love will probably eventually become a nemesis. Then as the millions or billions of years wear on an indifference will probably set in as you just ignore each other and go on about your own things in different parts of the universe.
Real-world answer? Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.
Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe...and anyway, I already tell myself "Only Humans and other mortals attach any value to the passing of time." While immortality to extent I've described is impossible (for now), there already exists several theoretical methods to achieve immortality, which would probably become feasible in the next couple of decades.
never having to eat or breath... hell yeah, i would explore ocean floor first and then after a few thousand years launch my ass into space... you know go for a wander
Formosa wrote:never having to eat or breath... hell yeah, i would explore ocean floor first and then after a few thousand years launch my ass into space... you know go for a wander
Oh yeah...well, you don't need to eat, drink, sleep, breath, or something like those, but you still can. And yes, you should be able to walk on the ocean floor if you wanted to (probability alteration - me, I'm going to explore the surface of the sun ).
I wouldn't say no if I was handed it, but nore would I go searching for it.
Though if I were to wake up and suddenly be Immortal, I do think I would try to steer Humanity towards better goals. All this squabling really does have to stop....
See I was thinking no until you mentioned the whole pocket universe thing. I was worried that an asteroid hits the earth, pretty much wrecking everything, no more people, no more water, but worst of all no breathable air. You would constantly be dying and coming back to life... Unless you make your own universe. And I would do that right away.
But wouldent it get boring after a few thousand years? "Oh geez Im bored of this universe so lets make another one... Oh wait. Ive made one exactly like this one a thousand years back." That would get boring. But if you could make your own pocket universe you could simulate death right? As in Im not dead. But its like Im dead.
And as for the age, I think being a teenager would be fine. I mean thats the age I am now. I dont think I would have a problem like that.
rubiksnoob wrote:Real-world answer?
Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.
Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe....
This is adolescent thinking. Humans are, as far as we know for sure, the only sapient species, and thus the most powerful beings that exist, outside of our deities.
Humanity is only boring before you learn about it and start to understand it.
I think that watching people you care about age and die would be terrible, but the good you could do with unlimited time, a regenerating body (you could test EVERYTHING which needed testing with no ethical issues, imagine how much science would benefit). You would also be able to just donate organs and blood like crazy, you choose to be a healthy 25 year old immortal, then let them kill you and take your kidneys liver heart everything 30 or 40 times, imagine the people you would save! Drain every skerrick of blood form your body a whole bunch of times, Red Cross Blood issues will be closer to being resolved.
And all this without any kind of penalty (Apart from having to regenerate back to that perfect 25 year old body, or whatever is best for healthy organs and life. Oh the horror). I'd demand a house with a super library in it as payment though. And in and around helping people, you have all the time in the world to do whatever you want (in my case, live in my super library).
It would be even better if you were some kind of science whiz (although I guess with all that time, anyone could really get there).
Probably most of all, I would finish painting my gorramn guard. Haha nah I'm kidding, I'd keep buying more.
And am I correct and figuring you are eternal Captain Jack style?
rubiksnoob wrote:Real-world answer?
Nah. I've got people I care about, and I wouldn't want to see them grow old and die while I remained the same age indefinitely. I'd prefer to do things, or create things for which I'll be remembered after I'm gone. That's immortality enough for me.
Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe....
This is adolescent thinking. Humans are, as far as we know for sure, the only sapient species, and thus the most powerful beings that exist, outside of our deities.
Humanity is only boring before you learn about it and start to understand it.
Well, kinda and no. The will to transcend our current nature is very human. In a weird etymological way, the posthuman or transhuman is very much human. Of course, we'd rather think about the most absolute transcendance (such as the one offered here) than about midway solutions like anti-senescence.
The criticism of 'this is adolescent thinking' might well apply to Tadashi's conception of transhumanity, but it's an unfair critic when leveled at more serious attempts to conceive of the posthuman. Bostrom got psychanalysed as 'having a incapacity to cope with sexuality and death cycle as the natural mean for the continuation of humanity'' and I think that's just dumb. Extending our nature is exactly what culture is all about. So what if one day we transcend mortality? We'll just have to cope with its repercussion then.
Kovnik Obama wrote:Meh, I'd finally have my quiet time.
Honestly, tho, if you want to make this an interesting question, you have to set a disadvantage to it.
The question, ''Would you like to be God?'' is a fairly easy one to answer.
There are disadvantages:
1) You can only make one person immortal, just one. 2) Regardless of whether the mother/father of your children is immortal or mortal, the children will be mortal.
And you are not obliged to take responsibility for your powers...you can choose to be a god and take responsibility, or be like the Great Old Ones of H.P. Lovecraft and use your powers for your own ends.
when you put in the one other person clause it was a for fething sure
first thing you do is find an awesome woman, make her your partner and get a vasectomy. You can adopt kids if you want them. Imagine the wealth you could amass in 100 lifetimes. I'd imagine at some point you would rule this planet, I wanna be The Emprah
I say sex after a couple hundred yrs would be.....boring.....then you start experimenting with same sex...then wild sex...to insane sex...to whatever pleasure that would pique your interest. After a while your best friend Slaneesh just can't keep up
Thought Iron Druid kind of covered immortality quite well with today mentality. One seriously have to emotionaly detached from the world to make it through the world. Would one develope a "God complex" just to fool around with the masses
Tadashi wrote:
Dead is boring, ordinary and Human - I'd rather surpass Humanity and become something more than remain an ordinary Human and a mere plaything of the universe...and anyway, I already tell myself "Only Humans and other mortals attach any value to the passing of time." .
Yeah, we'll have this conversation again when you've grown up a bit and are out of your "I wish 40k was real and I was the Emperor" stage.
And by the way, you are both human and mortal, and will never be anything more, so make the most of it! Being one of us mortals is a lot more fun once you stop having wet dreams about being the immortal Lord of Time and Space.
Hell yes! I'm scared of death. Honestly the thought of it has kept be awake at night on occasion for my entire life. More so I guess, when I was kid I thought about dying a lot. Knowing it would never happen, that I would always be, it'd be such a liberating feeling.
Besides there aren't any drawbacks. I'm still limited in my ability experience things by the normal human rate at which I go places, talk to people and do things. The world will always be generating new experiences at a faster rate than I can consume them. With an ability to create my own pocket universe at the end of time (or even if I guess I just get stuck floating through space at some point) I don't have to worry about some of the more grim end fates.
Maybe if we have an apocalypse and humanity survives and comes back out in the stone ages, I can spend a few hundred years playing god. Just for the lulz.
hmmm...i voted no, but that is because there is no possible way that humanity would last forever. and as stated, the universe may not be around forever, at least in a way that we can percieve, and so surviving forever would get really old and would probably lose its meaning and you would eventually go insane as eternity is a long time lol
I really don't know whether I'd go for it or not.... After a few hundred years, you'd have absolutely NO friends except the othe person you chose. (If you still get along with her/him). I mean, could you still befreind someone if you knew they'd just die in no time (compared to your life-span). At the start of the next millenium, 99.9% of all the people you'll have ever met will be dead. yay.
Then, there is evolution... The effects might not be apparent in the first ten millenia I guess, but mankind could evolve to something FAR greater than what we are now. You'd be like a dim-witted monkey to them lol....but then again, you'll have a lot of time to learn and get real wise...
And it would get reaaaaaaaly boring. After a billion years you'll not even have lived through a billionth of your life.You'll go crazy.
But then again, you go do all kinds of awesome things.... Like have the NASA build you a spaceship and send you to the next galaxy for reconnaisance... hell, you could visit EVERY galaxy! And you could gain unlimited knowledge... imagine what kind of musician you'd be after 10.000 years of practice.... instant eargasm with any instrument lol.
Oh and being immune to death you could take skydiving and the like to a whole new level.... You no longer need a chute, and you no longer need to start at only 6km.... how about the ISS? Think about all the risky things you could to!
And by the way, you are both human and mortal, and will never be anything more, so make the most of it! Being one of us mortals is a lot more fun once you stop having wet dreams about being the immortal Lord of Time and Space.
That's BS...its kinda saying I shouldn't even dream or hope to be more than I am. Maybe all science students should just drop and be factory workers, because, hey, we're just Human, we'll never amount to anything more, so what's the point of even trying to get better? If that's the case, why don't we just go back to the Stone Age while we're at it?
I really hate fatalists and determinists...things like pre-determined fate, or "You're just a ______ so stop dreaming of becoming more." is either used by those too cowardly to take control of their fates, or those afraid of the dreams of other people because they cannot handle the idea of change.
Mannahnin wrote:There are attainable dreams, and unattainable dreams.
The only thing that is impossible...is impossible. Once they said the world was flat...Magellan took the risk and proved them wrong. They said Galileo was wrong about planets orbiting the sun and moons orbiting Jupiter...now we know he is right. There are means to achieve biological immortality in theory...even if it isn't to the extent in this thread, it is there. I choose to follow that dream and seek to make it real...its my choice, not yours, not any fatalist, only mine. And choice is the only true freedom in this world.
I can hardly keep myself occupied on tuesdays. An eternity of tuesdays? I'm sure I could last a hundred years. A thousand, maybe. At that point I would no longer be doing it for myself, I would be doing it for those people who needed me. A few thousand years later, I am no longer needed. I have my one companion. One. And I am to trust we never become enemies over the course of a thousand years. Why? Because we are the only two of our kind? That isn't a bond of love, it's slavery. A few million years later, we'll have developed a way out of this universe, so I won't have to watch it die. Me an my companion will be together, maybe, under whatever circumstances, speaking the same words, doing the same thing, everyday.
Long before then I would have stopped making friends. Stopped connecting with humanity on any kind of personal level. Why? because I wouldn't have the potential for reuniting with them beyond the veil. Once they are gone, they are well and truly gone. My family, the people who created me, would be a distant memory.
Eventually, humanity would probably end, in one way or another. End, or evolve. And then my companion and I would be truly alone. But it doesn't end there. It keeps going, and going, and going. Forever.
I don't care what sort of god-like powers you gave me, or anything you could dress it up with, I would never take it. When the time comes, I intend to welcome death with open arms.
xole wrote:I can hardly keep myself occupied on tuesdays. An eternity of tuesdays? I'm sure I could last a hundred years. A thousand, maybe. At that point I would no longer be doing it for myself, I would be doing it for those people who needed me. A few thousand years later, I am no longer needed. I have my one companion. One. And I am to trust we never become enemies over the course of a thousand years. Why? Because we are the only two of our kind? That isn't a bond of love, it's slavery. A few million years later, we'll have developed a way out of this universe, so I won't have to watch it die. Me an my companion will be together, maybe, under whatever circumstances, speaking the same words, doing the same thing, everyday.
Long before then I would have stopped making friends. Stopped connecting with humanity on any kind of personal level. Why? because I wouldn't have the potential for reuniting with them beyond the veil. Once they are gone, they are well and truly gone. My family, the people who created me, would be a distant memory.
Eventually, humanity would probably end, in one way or another. End, or evolve. And then my companion and I would be truly alone. But it doesn't end there. It keeps going, and going, and going. Forever.
I don't care what sort of god-like powers you gave me, or anything you could dress it up with, I would never take it. When the time comes, I intend to welcome death with open arms.
Well, since you're all-powerful, you could just build a freezer that keeps you asleep.... but then again, it'll have to be repaired every now and then, so you'll be repairing, and repairing, and repairing..... yeah, eternity sucks.
Depends on your mindset...me, I'm alive and eternally young, have all the time in the universe and more to learn about literally EVERYTHING, I have a regenerating factor (and more, thanks to probability alteration), and maybe even eternal love (well, not a given, but its a possibility). On those notes, living forever is AWESOME.
My idea of hell is an eternal wait for something which never comes. Once you've done everything there is to do then that's where you would find yourself, I don't care how many films Peter Jackson can squeeze out of the Silmarilion.
Tadashi wrote:Once they said the world was flat...Magellan took the risk and proved them wrong.
That's a myth. Only morons believed that the world was flat in the time of Magellan or Collumbus before him.
Glorioski wrote:My idea of hell is an eternal wait for something which never comes. Once you've done everything there is to do then that's where you would find yourself, I don't care how many films Peter Jackson can squeeze out of the Silmarilion.
I would like to watch a film about Akallabeth rather than the Silmarillion. Even if it was caused by Sauron's deception and ultimately led to Numenor's fall, I feel shivers just imagining the Great Armament - the mightiest army to ever walk the Earth since the fall of Angband - march out of the sea onto the Undying Lands. The Elves fled rather than confront the army of Ar-Pharazon the Golden, mightiest king to ever walk the Earth - who is the true power, Elves or Men?
Tadashi wrote:Once they said the world was flat...Magellan took the risk and proved them wrong.
That's a myth. Only morons believed that the world was flat in the time of Magellan or Collumbus before him.
True...but they also said Galileo was wrong...just because people condemn biological immortality and transhumanism now, doesn't mean they always will.
Whenever something happens, it is caused by something else happening. Within the roots of you becoming immortal, also lies the roots of something that has the potential to either make others immortal, or sow the seeds of your destruction. That's my theory.
That being said, I would also like to say that a mortal fights, sleeps, and lives besides death, it is an enemy as well as an ally, it is untamable. An immortal is not familiar with it. Perhaps that is another reason why the Eldar value their lives so preciously over others. They assume that because other die more easily, that they themselves are of higher value.
Jihadin wrote:Yep I can see the US government making you a lab rat.
Yeah but you would outlast the US...
Thats very true. I honestly dont see the US lasting in its current state, for too much longer. It has felt like its been turning into a gak pile really bad lately
Sides, if your a true Immortal, and cannot die, Id just soak up the bullets they fail at trying to kill me with, on my way out the door.
Jihadin wrote:Yep I can see the US government making you a lab rat.
Yeah but you would outlast the US...
Thats very true. I honestly dont see the US lasting in its current state, for too much longer. It has felt like its been turning into a gak pile really bad lately
Sides, if your a true Immortal, and cannot die, Id just soak up the bullets they fail at trying to kill me with, on my way out the door.
Be sure to laugh loudly and refer to them as foolish mortals and to look down on them at every chance. Make some friends on the way out.
Thats very true. I honestly dont see the US lasting in its current state, for too much longer. It has felt like its been turning into a gak pile really bad lately
Empires and nations rise and fall, be it sooner or later, and America is no exception.
rubiksnoob wrote:I am willing to wager that eternal ANYTHING would in the end be a bit of a bum deal.
Only if you view it negatively.
Eternal strawberries...
I have absolutely no idea what that means.
Well i like strawberries. They are a positive thing.
But having strawberries forever would probably make me hate them...
Like Rubiksnoob said, eternal anything would be a bum deal in the end...
Tadashi wrote:As I said, only if you look at it negatively.
Well, yeah. Anything is negative if you look at it negatively.
Then be positive! Look on the bright side, you have all the time in the universe (and more) to do everything you could ever want. In a couple of centuries, you probably won't be Human per se anymore, and the passing of the years will be as nothing.
Tadashi wrote:As I said, only if you look at it negatively.
Well, yeah. Anything is negative if you look at it negatively.
Then be positive! Look on the bright side, you have all the time in the universe (and more) to do everything you could ever want. In a couple of centuries, you probably won't be Human per se anymore, and the passing of the years will be as nothing.
I am all about positivity, make no mistake. But, failing to temper your positivity with reality is just as much of a misstep as being negative all the time. Thusly, I feel like it is perfectly reasonable to say that eternal strawberries (or eternal anything else) would lose its appeal after a while. You know, too much of a good thing and all that?
Tadashi wrote:As I said, only if you look at it negatively.
Well, yeah. Anything is negative if you look at it negatively.
Then be positive! Look on the bright side, you have all the time in the universe (and more) to do everything you could ever want. In a couple of centuries, you probably won't be Human per se anymore, and the passing of the years will be as nothing.
I am all about positivity, make no mistake. But, failing to temper your positivity with reality is just as much of a misstep as being negative all the time. Thusly, I feel like it is perfectly reasonable to say that eternal strawberries (or eternal anything else) would lose its appeal after a while. You know, too much of a good thing and all that?
Then don't obsess over it. After a few centuries, you're bound to look for a new gig.
Tadashi wrote:As I said, only if you look at it negatively.
Well, yeah. Anything is negative if you look at it negatively.
Then be positive! Look on the bright side, you have all the time in the universe (and more) to do everything you could ever want. In a couple of centuries, you probably won't be Human per se anymore, and the passing of the years will be as nothing.
I am all about positivity, make no mistake. But, failing to temper your positivity with reality is just as much of a misstep as being negative all the time. Thusly, I feel like it is perfectly reasonable to say that eternal strawberries (or eternal anything else) would lose its appeal after a while. You know, too much of a good thing and all that?
Then don't obsess over it. After a few centuries, you're bound to look for a new gig.
I'm talking about eternal life my friend. . . what if you get tired? Nothing left for you to do but die and you can't? Everything turns stale if you give it long enough.
Twilight Zone covered this...sort of. A man dies and goes to the after life. After endless pleasures(essentially living in a casino) he has this conversation.
Tadashi, I seriously recommend the same book for the third time. You will really dig it. Lazerus Long doesn't get super powers on top of his (apparently) unending longevity, but Heinlein does a great job discussing and describing the kind of ennui that can ensue, the impact on relationships and love, and the ways a person could potentially keep life fresh and exciting despite it all.
Mannahnin wrote:Tadashi, I seriously recommend the same book for the third time. You will really dig it. Lazerus Long doesn't get super powers on top of his (apparently) unending longevity, but Heinlein does a great job discussing and describing the kind of ennui that can ensue, the impact on relationships and love, and the ways a person could potentially keep life fresh and exciting despite it all.
Heinlein isn't exactly the easing writer to find here...so far, I only have Methuselah's Children, and in second-hand form.
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:I'll sleep for a thousand years. Then I'll make a planet of my own...create my own life.
Mhm. And then?
I will watch over them...what else is a god supposed to do?
Sounds a lot like "Know your place and just accept it." Sorry, but that sounds a lot like what the Last Man would do instead of what the Superman would do.
Tadashi wrote:I'll sleep for a thousand years. Then I'll make a planet of my own...create my own life.
Mhm. And then?
I will watch over them...what else is a god supposed to do?
And then?
See what I'm getting at?
I'll do it over and over again...the universe is vast. The possibilities are endless.
The universe is truly endless...well, until all the black holes explode. Hopefully by then the immortal people will have found another universe. But we can talk about that somewhere else.
Possibilities being endless isn't exactly true. There are a nearly uncountable number of genetic codes for humans, but there is a limit. The universe is limited, just not in a way that usually affects humans.
There are a vast amount of trees out there. But do you count them, or would that bore you? There needs to be a lot of things that can interest you for a literally infinite period of time. Could you read the same book 100 times? 1000?
Mannahnin wrote:Tadashi, I seriously recommend the same book for the third time. You will really dig it. Lazerus Long doesn't get super powers on top of his (apparently) unending longevity, but Heinlein does a great job discussing and describing the kind of ennui that can ensue, the impact on relationships and love, and the ways a person could potentially keep life fresh and exciting despite it all.
Heinlein isn't exactly the easing writer to find here...so far, I only have Methuselah's Children, and in second-hand form.
Did you like MC? TEfL goes into more depth and is better-written, but MC's pretty good, IMO.
Mannahnin wrote:Tadashi, I seriously recommend the same book for the third time. You will really dig it. Lazerus Long doesn't get super powers on top of his (apparently) unending longevity, but Heinlein does a great job discussing and describing the kind of ennui that can ensue, the impact on relationships and love, and the ways a person could potentially keep life fresh and exciting despite it all.
Heinlein isn't exactly the easing writer to find here...so far, I only have Methuselah's Children, and in second-hand form.
Did you like MC? TEfL goes into more depth and is better-written, but MC's pretty good, IMO.
Oh yes...but the one I'm looking for now is Starship Troopers, since it was what introduced me to Heinlein (not to mention greatly influenced my views towards government). The movies were crap (unlike the animated Roughnecks series), so I went looking for the novel. I've read the wikipedia summary, and I'm looking forward to reading the real thing - once I get my hands on it, that is.
Tadashi wrote:Sounds a lot like "Know your place and just accept it." Sorry, but that sounds a lot like what the Last Man would do instead of what the Superman would do.
Well, it's more like accept that you're human and enjoy and savor all the things that being human is.
Tadashi wrote:Sounds a lot like "Know your place and just accept it." Sorry, but that sounds a lot like what the Last Man would do instead of what the Superman would do.
Well, it's more like accept that you're human and enjoy and savor all the things that being human is.
NO. NO. NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Always aspire to be more than you are. You are Human, and are worth more than the sum of your parts. Even trans-Humans and post-Humans are still 'Human' for all that - our potential is limitless. I refuse to accept this is all we are and this is all we can be - there has to be, and there is more we can be and do.
Tadashi wrote:Sounds a lot like "Know your place and just accept it." Sorry, but that sounds a lot like what the Last Man would do instead of what the Superman would do.
Well, it's more like accept that you're human and enjoy and savor all the things that being human is.
NO. NO. NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Always aspire to be more than you are. You are Human, and are worth more than the sum of your parts. Even trans-Humans and post-Humans are still 'Human' for all that - our potential is limitless. I refuse to accept this is all we are and this is all we can be - there has to be, and there is more we can be and do.
No one who has ever lived has reached the full potential of being human. Once you've done that, then you can talk about trying to be something greater.
You keep saying, "this is all we are,". . . well, we have only just begun to plumb the depths of "what we are". I think you are direly underestimating humanity.
Always aspire to be more than you are. You are Human, and are worth more than the sum of your parts. Even trans-Humans and post-Humans are still 'Human' for all that - our potential is limitless. I refuse to accept this is all we are and this is all we can be - there has to be, and there is more we can be and do.
You keep saying, "this is all we are,". . . well, we have only just begun to plumb the depths of "what we are". I think you are direly underestimating humanity.
I prefer to actively pursue transcendence as opposed to passively let it happen.
You keep saying, "this is all we are,". . . well, we have only just begun to plumb the depths of "what we are". I think you are direly underestimating humanity.
I prefer to actively pursue transcendence as opposed to passively let it happen.
Now put that attitude towards finding that perfect girl for you!
You keep saying, "this is all we are,". . . well, we have only just begun to plumb the depths of "what we are". I think you are direly underestimating humanity.
I prefer to actively pursue transcendence as opposed to passively let it happen.
Now put that attitude towards finding that perfect girl for you!
I do...but so far, no success. As my childhood friend tells me (no, not even her...we are close, but not that close) "Your standards are too high, but I understand." Now, if only others would understand as well...
I'd be happy to accept immorality! Think of what you could learn! Learning purely for the sake of knowledge!
I'd freaking hold that immortality card close though, I'd have to live a lifetime with that person, with them willing to accept their death, then I would extend that offer, their choice to make.
I know I'm going to be ignored as the OP refuses to see immortality as anything but a good thing (and I'm betting is around 14 and probably has aspergers syndrome) but just saying "oh I'll find something else to do" isn't a very practical way of looking at things. Have you ever sat on a long sunday afternoon with nothing to do? Imagine an eternity of sunday afternoons.
Corpsesarefun wrote:I know I'm going to be ignored as the OP refuses to see immortality as anything but a good thing (and I'm betting us around 14 and probably has aspergers syndrome) but just saying "oh I'll find something else to do" isn't a very practical way of looking at things. Have you ever sat on a long sunday afternoon with nothing to do? Imagine an eternity of sunday afternoons.
Yes, I have. I just go to sleep. Very enjoyable...compared to how hectic life is normally.
So I end up like Cthulhu...In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming...On Fereshte the Immortal Humans dream away boredom...
Corpsesarefun wrote:You can sleep on command for as long as you like?
In real life, no (but I usually spend Sunday afternoons or any time of the day I have nothing to do sleeping). In the proposed immortality scenario, well, you can alter probability so long as your immortality is not negated, so sleeping and waking on a whim is no problem.
Corpsesarefun wrote:Again, this isn't so much "would you accept immortality" as much as it is "would you accept being an immortal, omnipotent god with no drawbacks".
TBH, I got the idea from the short story Resurrection by A.E. Van Vogt...
Spoiler:
Aliens called Ganae from the planet Gana arrive on Earth in the distant future, and assess it for possible settlement. They discover most if not all animal life on the planet is dead, including Humans. To make it more disturbing, apparently the Humans had achieved immortality seeing as there were no skeletons of children. Furthermore, it seems the Humans had accepted death willingly, as the skeletons of each man and his wife were arrayed in their gardens as though they watched the coming of death itself. The aliens decide to resurrect some Humans using their arcane technology, unwilling to settle the planet in case of something dangerous. They go to a museum, and resurrect an ancient Egyptian, a 20th Century man, and someone from the near future (where it appears they had a technology level equal to the aliens and possessed mental telepathy). The last one fights back, and mentally controls some of the machines in the museum to kill some of the Ganae. The rest escape, and nuke the city to ashes.
Later on, they arrive at another city, and despite one of the Ganae refusing to sanction any further resurrections, pointing out the risk, the others decide to resurrect one of the skeletons, unwilling to believe another species to be as great as them - after all, if they couldn't escape the disaster that killed them, how could they be a threat? The unwilling Ganae responds by saying the Humans probably never learned how to isolate habitable planets, the method for which which the Ganae discovered purely by accident. The moment the man is resurrected however, he disappears in an instant. After a moment, they realize the man has the ability to manipulate reality, and the alien commander orders all planetary locators and resurrection devices on their ship destroyed, which is done after some delay. The last resurrection device is left untouched as bait, but the aliens ultimately destroy it as well - in the process revealing their fear of retribution from another, superior species for their policy of exterminating other sapient species on the habitable worlds they discover so they can settle said planets.
Immediately after the last resurrection device is destroyed, they are shocked to see the man standing calmly behind them. The guards open fire with 'rayguns', to no effect. The man then disrupts the Ganae's energy shield with a touch, and amusingly tells them he knows who and what they are, which is unfortunate considering what they've done, but offers to negotiate for the secrets of the planetary locator and the resurrection device. The aliens respond by asking what happened to Earth, and the man reveals that a 'nucleonic' storm larger than 90 LY (the limit of their power) engulfed the Earth, and the only other habitable world they knew of was also under the shadow of the storm. The aliens then retreat, but are disturbed to see the man calmly walking home...and the fact none of their attempts to destroy the city even come close to succeeding.
Again they attempt to negotiate, offering the man a place of his own on Earth once the Ganae have settled it. The man responds by asking them that if their problem is overpopulation, why don't the Ganae just control the 'breeding chambers'. The Ganae respond that doing could lead to revolution, and the man responds with:
Well, if you will not control them, we will control for you.
The Ganae, realizing that negotiations have failed, threaten to destroy every city on Earth, and even if the man has already perceived the secrets of Ganae technology and physiology by thought alone, not even he can destroy their ship because of its redundant systems, and if they cannot destroy him by themselves alone, they will gather a fleet of their people and return before the man can start to build a resurrection device/planetary locator. The man concedes that he is not omnipotent, but he warns the aliens they have forgotten something, and after saying he has more important matters to attend to, teleports them back to their ship on a whim.
After realizing none of their weapons work (even against cities on the other side of the planet), the Ganae head home, only to realize the man is aboard. Realizing that if they reach their planets the man will obtain either or both of his objectives and simply teleport back to Earth and resurrect enough Humans to fight off even an entire Ganae Armada (and that even attempting to contact the Ganae worlds will just give the man a location to teleport to), the aliens decide to commit suicide by piloting their ship into a star.
Just before they plunge into the star, they realize to their horror what they had forgotten: the delay regarding the destruction of the planetary locators and resurrection devices on the ship was because the storage facility had been locked from the inside - indicating the man had already both his objectives from the beginning, and they were merely played into committing a meaningless sacrifice. As the alien ship plunged into the star, the man returned to Earth with the knowledge the Humanity would rise again, and this time, never truly die...
All the superpowers are over the top and a bit silly but i'd defintely accept immortality, i'd need a lot of hobbies though... Wouldn't want to conquer the world or become a god, i'd probally end up spending my time doing stuff like watching every movie ever made A-Z and sleeping alot.
p_gray99 wrote:Do I have to choose the person to be immortal as soon as I become immortal, or can I save it until I'm certain I want that person to be immortal?
Or you could alter probability and make as many people as you want immortal.
Not a Fan of the Idea of Immortality. I start to lose it when I have 2-3 days from work in a row. I couldn't imagine having literally all of time to kill.
Lur you could still work... hell you'd be the most indemand history teacher ever!
"Professor tell us about the early 21st century!"
"Well I was about your age three hundred or so years ago... and goddess was our species dumb! Have you ever heard of a snooki? It's an orange troll like creature we put on TV a lot... that's the 2d screen version of a holochamber"
I dunno if you could flaunt your immortality like that. You would probably have to drop off the face of the planet about once every 20 years(before people became suspicious), Would need to get a new set of all important paperwork (birth cert, SSC[in the us],ect) just in case someone one day looked in your file and noticed that social you're using is over 300 years old.
And if you didn't do that, there's always the risk of drawing unwanted attention from Gov't. They'd want to experiment on you and try to find out why you've been alive for so long. Sure you're immortal and could break free, but then you'd defiantly have to vanish on the face of the earth and obtain new documentation for whatever country you decide to hide in.
Or they'd just figure you stole that paperwork and then you'd have fun with a shot credit rating.
I would only accept immortality if I had to compete against other immortals in sword duels to the death in an attempt to be the "last" immortal; even though new ones keep being born.
Iur_tae_mont wrote:I dunno if you could flaunt your immortality like that. You would probably have to drop off the face of the planet about once every 20 years(before people became suspicious), Would need to get a new set of all important paperwork (birth cert, SSC[in the us],ect) just in case someone one day looked in your file and noticed that social you're using is over 300 years old.
And if you didn't do that, there's always the risk of drawing unwanted attention from Gov't. They'd want to experiment on you and try to find out why you've been alive for so long. Sure you're immortal and could break free, but then you'd defiantly have to vanish on the face of the earth and obtain new documentation for whatever country you decide to hide in.
Or they'd just figure you stole that paperwork and then you'd have fun with a shot credit rating.
But tadashi can alter probability so that none of that can happen.
A more appropriate title to this thread would be, "Would you like to be a god?"
Melissia wrote:And then you'd try to make anime real so that you can have your perfect anime-girl lover!
I have already rejected the idea of deliberately creating her...it would only work until she asks "Do you really love me? Or do you love the person I'm supposed to be?" Yeah, not liking the idea one bit.
wikipedi wrote:As such, Belldandy is depicted as being very sweet and exceptionally kind-hearted, with very "old-fashioned" sensibilities. Combined with domestic skills portrayed through the series and her loyalty to Keiichi.
You're sure you will never find anyone with this these characteristics throughout your entire life? Are these really such rare qualities?
wikipedi wrote:As such, Belldandy is depicted as being very sweet and exceptionally kind-hearted, with very "old-fashioned" sensibilities. Combined with domestic skills portrayed through the series and her loyalty to Keiichi.
You're sure you will never find anyone with this these characteristics throughout your entire life? Are these really such rare qualities?
In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated', they are fickle, their hearts easily swayed by sweet untruths...the yamato nadeshiko is forged of steel (so to speak), and her loyalty is unquestionable. I wouldn't betray her, and she will not betray me.
Easy E wrote:I would only accept immortality if I had to compete against other immortals in sword duels to the death in an attempt to be the "last" immortal; even though new ones keep being born.
I'm pretty sure if you picked someone to offer immortality to, and you weren't a complete toad, they'd probably take you up on it. I'd go for it. Time to look up Avril Lavigne's number and see how she'd enjoy immortality...you never forget your first celebrity crush. Lol
wikipedi wrote:As such, Belldandy is depicted as being very sweet and exceptionally kind-hearted, with very "old-fashioned" sensibilities. Combined with domestic skills portrayed through the series and her loyalty to Keiichi.
You're sure you will never find anyone with this these characteristics throughout your entire life? Are these really such rare qualities?
In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated',
I hear Melissia coming, baying for the blood of the misogynist. Hurry, we must sate her thirst before she destroys us all!
Immortality will destroy who you are, and one day you will only wish to die, as you make friends with people that you loved, and they will wither and die, while you stay immortal and never perish, to be a true immortal means you cannot be killed and cannot die, You will see empires fall and rise, and you will damn yourself for becoming immortal, you will see many wonders yes, you will escape death, that is true. But nothing will destroy you more than seeing death as your friend.
Every Immortal in books has always wished to die after they had lived for so long. You cannot abandon Mortality in my opinion.
I will not join the damned of the immortal, I will be a mortal, I will be human.
Being Immortal makes you less human.
To be Immortal is to be damned to live forever. It is a curse, Not a blessing.
Tadashi wrote:In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated', they are fickle, their hearts easily swayed by sweet untruths...the yamato nadeshiko is forged of steel (so to speak), and her loyalty is unquestionable. I wouldn't betray her, and she will not betray me.
I'm sure women of generations past would have been just as likely to want to leave men as they're today, it's just alot easier now for a women to leave her husband then it was a hundred years ago. I guess that's a biproduct of ermm 'liberation' though.
Immortality will destroy who you are, and one day you will only wish to die, as you make friends with people that you loved, and they will wither and die, while you stay immortal and never perish, to be a true immortal means you cannot be killed and cannot die, You will see empires fall and rise, and you will damn yourself for becoming immortal, you will see many wonders yes, you will escape death, that is true. But nothing will destroy you more than seeing death as your friend.
Every Immortal in books has always wished to die after they had lived for so long. You cannot abandon Mortality in my opinion.
I will not join the damned of the immortal, I will be a mortal, I will be human.
Being Immortal makes you less human.
To be Immortal is to be damned to live forever. It is a curse, Not a blessing.
Hmmm... well I suppose you have a point, I mean all my friends and family will die! The horror! How shall I cope? How shall I remain sane?... Wait! I have it! I could make some new friends! It's radical but it just might work! Also I can trace my line through the generations so I will always have blood relatives.... especially with an immortal companion to whither the ages with.
Immortality will destroy who you are, and one day you will only wish to die, as you make friends with people that you loved, and they will wither and die, while you stay immortal and never perish, to be a true immortal means you cannot be killed and cannot die, You will see empires fall and rise, and you will damn yourself for becoming immortal, you will see many wonders yes, you will escape death, that is true. But nothing will destroy you more than seeing death as your friend.
Every Immortal in books has always wished to die after they had lived for so long. You cannot abandon Mortality in my opinion.
I will not join the damned of the immortal, I will be a mortal, I will be human.
Being Immortal makes you less human.
To be Immortal is to be damned to live forever. It is a curse, Not a blessing.
Hmmm... well I suppose you have a point, I mean all my friends and family will die! The horror! How shall I cope? How shall I remain sane?... Wait! I have it! I could make some new friends! It's radical but it just might work! Also I can trace my line through the generations so I will always have blood relatives.... especially with an immortal companion to whither the ages with.
Yeah, still not seeing a down side here.
Well, none of them have to die, actually! Not when you can alter probability!
Well they'd still die, sooner or later the human body just shuts off. But yeah letting everyone around me live long lives with increased chances of winning the lotto and the like wouldn't be negative at all would it?
wikipedi wrote:As such, Belldandy is depicted as being very sweet and exceptionally kind-hearted, with very "old-fashioned" sensibilities. Combined with domestic skills portrayed through the series and her loyalty to Keiichi.
You're sure you will never find anyone with this these characteristics throughout your entire life? Are these really such rare qualities?
In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated',
I hear Melissia coming, baying for the blood of the misogynist. Hurry, we must sate her thirst before she destroys us all!
I was waiting for Tadashi to say that. It was only a matter of time. And now I as you do eagerly await Melissia's response. Hilarious!
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Well they'd still die, sooner or later the human body just shuts off. But yeah letting everyone around me live long lives with increased chances of winning the lotto and the like wouldn't be negative at all would it?
Thaaaat's Right! With the ability to alter probability you can do ANYTHING!
Tadashi wrote:I'll sleep for a thousand years. Then I'll make a planet of my own...create my own life.
Mhm. And then?
I will watch over them...what else is a god supposed to do?
And then?
See what I'm getting at?
I'll do it over and over again...the universe is vast. The possibilities are endless.
Until you exhaust them. Or until you lose interest in pursuing them, which I'd wager would happen much sooner.
Take the time you've got and create as much happiness as you can. Don't spend that time fruitlessly struggling to find more.
I think if you lived forever, you, at least me anyways, would learn to enjoy things longer then a mortal would, simply because you know you can. As I get older, I find myself enjoying simple things far better then when I was younger. The other day I sat on my front porch and ate some breakfast and just looked at everything for a good 30 minutes for no reason. Now imagine being undying and being able to take the time to literally learn all the leaves on the trees around you, and watching say, a family of squirrels going through a few generations and anything else that can come from just your front yard. The time it took to do that wouldnt matter to you, because time doesnt affect you anymore.
And thats just your front yard. Trust me, you can look at it negatively if you wanted, but I think if it were me, Id be able to handle never dying just fine. Not to mention the knowledge and life experience I could pass on to those I deemed worthy of my experience.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Well they'd still die, sooner or later the human body just shuts off. But yeah letting everyone around me live long lives with increased chances of winning the lotto and the like wouldn't be negative at all would it?
Thaaaat's Right! With the ability to alter probability you can do ANYTHING!
Well in that case you can avoid all the horrible consequences someone listed above blah blah government tests, etc. The ability to alter probability means you could sit down and have coffee with the federal agent hunting you and he'd never catch you. Or there'd be an incredibly low chance of anyone who ever knew your secret thinking "You know, Mr. KM's been in his mid-twenties since I was seven and I'm in my fifities now... I wonder if the government would want to know about it?"
Hell it's a gate way to a Jedi mind trick nearly *waves hand* "Oh Mr. Johnson! So good to see you sir, we've upgraded your flight to first class and have no need to see your personal identification!"
KingCracker wrote:Problem with that argument xole, because we cant ask people that just died if it was worth it. So stay on topic ya?
Part of your argument was that as you get older, you appreciate things more. What if that is connected with that you are approaching death? That's hardly off topic.
Now answer the first question, because you need to an infinite number of times.
wikipedi wrote:As such, Belldandy is depicted as being very sweet and exceptionally kind-hearted, with very "old-fashioned" sensibilities. Combined with domestic skills portrayed through the series and her loyalty to Keiichi.
You're sure you will never find anyone with this these characteristics throughout your entire life? Are these really such rare qualities?
In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated',
I hear Melissia coming, baying for the blood of the misogynist. Hurry, we must sate her thirst before she destroys us all!
A door on the upper floor blows open and a Terminator with an Assault Cannon marches out and raises merry hell. "Japanese grim reaper, at your service!"
Lord-Loss wrote:
Tadashi wrote:In the modern world yes...women of my generation are too 'liberated', they are fickle, their hearts easily swayed by sweet untruths...the yamato nadeshiko is forged of steel (so to speak), and her loyalty is unquestionable. I wouldn't betray her, and she will not betray me.
I'm sure women of generations past would have been just as likely to want to leave men as they're today, it's just alot easier now for a women to leave her husband then it was a hundred years ago. I guess that's a biproduct of ermm 'liberation' though.
Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Hence the term ideal...an ideal cannot exist in reality. But I'm fine with that...certainly better than the alternative. TBH, I'm the only one left among my friends who hasn't had a, ahem, encounter, or have a girlfriend AT ALL. Meh, I don't really care though. Compared to my friends or even my sister (she has 23 past relationships last I looked - I wash my hands of any unfortunate consequences), I'd rather be alone and follow my own path as opposed to simply conforming to the expectations of society.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:No.
Immortality will destroy who you are, and one day you will only wish to die, as you make friends with people that you loved, and they will wither and die, while you stay immortal and never perish, to be a true immortal means you cannot be killed and cannot die, You will see empires fall and rise, and you will damn yourself for becoming immortal, you will see many wonders yes, you will escape death, that is true. But nothing will destroy you more than seeing death as your friend.
Every Immortal in books has always wished to die after they had lived for so long. You cannot abandon Mortality in my opinion.
I will not join the damned of the immortal, I will be a mortal, I will be human.
Being Immortal makes you less human.
To be Immortal is to be damned to live forever. It is a curse, Not a blessing.
Hmmm... well I suppose you have a point, I mean all my friends and family will die! The horror! How shall I cope? How shall I remain sane?... Wait! I have it! I could make some new friends! It's radical but it just might work! Also I can trace my line through the generations so I will always have blood relatives.... especially with an immortal companion to whither the ages with.
Yeah, still not seeing a down side here.
Either eternal love...or the eternal quest for knowledge...no downsides for me at all. Just perfect. It all depends on your perspective: if you view it negatively, you will not appreciate immortality. If you view it positively, you will learn to ignore time and ultimately come to consider yourself fortunate in being granted the gift of immortality.
I've had family and friends died before (one of the latter died from dengue fever just years ago)...I've moved on, and if I can become immortal, I will keep moving on throughout endless time.
Knowledge is power...even if in reality I'll probably just start out with biological immortality, I'll have all eternity to figure out a way to achieve true immortality and godlike power.
KingCracker wrote:
And thats just your front yard. Trust me, you can look at it negatively if you wanted, but I think if it were me, Id be able to handle never dying just fine. Not to mention the knowledge and life experience I could pass on to those I deemed worthy of my experience.
Yeah, I always figured the best thing about being immortal would be having the time to become impossibly good at just about anything.
KingCracker wrote:
And thats just your front yard. Trust me, you can look at it negatively if you wanted, but I think if it were me, Id be able to handle never dying just fine. Not to mention the knowledge and life experience I could pass on to those I deemed worthy of my experience.
Yeah, I always figured the best thing about being immortal would be having the time to become impossibly good at just about anything.
That would be pretty sweet. Also, it would be awesome for "Historians" to come up to you and ask you what it was like to drive a car or use a "computer" in the future.
Think about, as you are immortal, you would see everyone that you knew, everything that you cared for would dissolve away into nothing. Life would lose meaning. Death would lose meaning. Existence as a whole would lose meaning.
Eventually you would simply stop caring. So what if you burned entire cities down for fun? They would be destroyed eventually. You at least would see them decay into nothingness in time, why not speed up the process before more resources are wasted?
Now eternal youth? Sure. Living for ridiculously long times until you get hit by a bus? Fine. But complete immortality. Oh boy, are there going to be some horrible mental problems.
Holy crap, Did I just go into a dark place or what?
.... Well, if I have to be immortal, I suppose I'll end up a hermit somewhere, collecting odd bits and pieces here and there. Somewhat like an insane, lonely Trazyn.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:No. As you would eventually become a monster.
Think about, as you are immortal, you would see everyone that you knew, everything that you cared for would dissolve away into nothing. Life would lose meaning. Death would lose meaning. Existence as a whole would lose meaning.
Eventually you would simply stop caring. So what if you burned entire cities down for fun? They would be destroyed eventually. You at least would see them decay into nothingness in time, why not speed up the process before more resources are wasted?
Humanity is mortality. To become truly immortal would be to lose that humanity and become something...else. Most likely unpleasant.
Now eternal youth? Sure. Living for ridiculously long times until you get hit by a bus? Fine. But complete immortality. Oh boy, are there going to be some horrible mental problems.
Holy crap, Did I just go into a dark place or what?
Don't be so negative...perspective makes a lot of difference. If you look at immortality negatively, then the above will happen (and you'll be like those Great Old Ones from the Cthulhu Mythos). Otherwise, none of it would.
EDIT: If you'd be Trazyn, I'd be Anrakyr the Traveler, wandering the stars with an immortal, machine army completely bent to my will.
Imagine watching the human race evolve around you. If there were still humans in the next million years or so, there would be a noticeable difference in physiology.
Corpsesarefun wrote:Every time any negative has been mentioned you've replied with "nope, you have X superpower to counter that" or "dude, don't be so negative".
This is not a discussion, this is you looking for confirmation.
So, I'm just supposed to agree with you guys that immortality is boring? Being ordinary is boring, just being part of a faceless mass of flesh and animals. Compared to that, being an immortal or a god is so much more interesting.
Squidmanlolz wrote:Imagine watching the human race evolve around you. If there were still humans in the next million years or so, there would be a noticeable difference in physiology.
Being a god effectively makes evolution redundant...on the other hand, if your immortality is based on technology, just upgrade the technology behind it. Technology is above and beyond nature.
Corpsesarefun wrote:Every time any negative has been mentioned you've replied with "nope, you have X superpower to counter that" or "dude, don't be so negative".
This is not a discussion, this is you looking for confirmation.
So, I'm just supposed to agree with you guys that immortality is boring? Being ordinary is boring, just being part of a faceless mass of flesh and animals. Compared to that, being an immortal or a god is so much more interesting.
Why do you look so negatively at being ordinary? Be positive!
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Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Corpsesarefun wrote:Every time any negative has been mentioned you've replied with "nope, you have X superpower to counter that" or "dude, don't be so negative".
This is not a discussion, this is you looking for confirmation.
So, I'm just supposed to agree with you guys that immortality is boring? Being ordinary is boring, just being part of a faceless mass of flesh and animals. Compared to that, being an immortal or a god is so much more interesting.
Why do you look so negatively at being ordinary? Be positive!
Blame my parents: "You want to be a nobody for the rest of your life? Be ambitious! Be somebody!" (my father). "Why settle for ordinary when you can be so much more? Think big!" (my mother).
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
You're supposed to make it a discussion, you give reasons why being immortal could be interesting and we counter them. Just adding sweeteners to the immortality ruins any possible debate.
Ok, I'll bite and make my immortality interesting...
Let's see, after staying in the shadows and getting increasingly madder over the last 1000 years, I'll sally forth in my 500 foot tall giant bio-mechanical spider robot of death (I've had 500+ years to build it; don't act surprised that I had one) to subjugate whatever sentient species is on the planet and unite them under my tyrannical and despotic rule. I'll give them the technology and knowledge I've accumulated over the years, but in return they most worship me as their god. If I find their women attractive, I'll create a harem and impregnate (naturally or artificially, whatever works) them to create an army with which I'll use to enforce my will by placing them in seats of power (though only after...modifying them in certain ways). Why? Because nepotism. Oh, and then I'll send them forth to colonize other worlds and to spread my iron rule and wage a series of pointless wars. For the lulz. And I shall order them to build me a massive golden throne, made from the skeletal remains of whoever I killed with my giant bio-mech spider of death. Why would I do this? Because I'm a bloody immortal who spent the last few millenia under a bloody rock collecting garbage, and I want recognition, dammit!
Also, decadence. Decadence everywhere. Because immortals still want to have fun. Even the wrong sort of fun.
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
What about evolution, or fission occurring in each and every one of the stars gracing the night sky, and those out of sight? Ha! Machinery? Man has not built anything that does not yet exist in a natural form.
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
What about evolution, or fission occurring in each and every one of the stars gracing the night sky, and those out of sight? Ha! Machinery? Man has not built anything that does not yet exist in a natural form.
That's fusion, not fission.
Yes, technology is still based on natural principles, but, the point is that technology applies those principles in ways nature never intended for them to occur or be applied to, hence the debate regarding GMOs and other 'unnatural' ideas.
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
What about evolution, or fission occurring in each and every one of the stars gracing the night sky, and those out of sight? Ha! Machinery? Man has not built anything that does not yet exist in a natural form.
Fusion occurs in stars.
Fission doesn't really happen in nature on a large scale.
Also, as per the stated rules, we can make one other person immortal.
This has two possible outcomes, no matter how one approaches it (as far as I can imagine):
The other person becomes an eternal partner
OR
The other person becomes an eternal enemy, who hates you for this curse
Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, as per the stated rules, we can make one other person immortal. This has two possible outcomes, no matter how one approaches it (as far as I can imagine): The other person becomes an eternal partner OR The other person becomes an eternal enemy, who hates you for this curse
Choose wisely
I would choose the latter, just to make things interesting. Besides, I have a harem, why would I need an eternal partner?
If I weren't flying rodent gak insane due to immortality though, maybe the former.
The former...two immortals together laying waste (or enslaving, though I prefer 'pacifying' or 'subjugating') to worlds across the universe simply because they have nothing better to do would make every lesser being weep in despair.
Melissia wrote:You mean like troll black romance in homstuck?
Why Melissia my dear that is precisely what I was thinking.
Think of all the angry sex! With all of eternity to experiment and practice...
I think that's what spawned Slannesh...you know what, by this point, I am basically Slannesh.
Bring on the furry electrified handcuffs and barbed whips!
Melissia wrote:You mean like troll black romance in homstuck?
Why Melissia my dear that is precisely what I was thinking.
Think of all the angry sex! With all of eternity to experiment and practice...
I think that's what spawned Slannesh...you know what, by this point, I am basically Slannesh. Bring on the furry electrified handcuffs and barbed whips!
I'd be more like Khorne...or the Void Dragon.
Avatar 720 wrote:All I need to do is get Mel to hate me and I'm halfway to angry nemesis sex!
I fear Corpses may be a bit more difficult, however...
Necrophilia? No thanks.
Hey, wait a sec...something about that first line doesn't feel right.
Melissia wrote:Technically speaking, I'm angry at everyone, all the time, always, no matter what, hwere, or when.
It's in my programming
Sounds like every female I've ever met, ever.
With a touch of the geekiness that I've only found in the females who've stolen my heart...
Thank christ we don't know each other irl, I'd be hitting on you with cheesy one-liners by now -_-
*Cough* right, immortality.
I'd abuse the hell out of that.
Melissia wrote:Technically speaking, I'm angry at everyone, all the time, always, no matter what, hwere, or when.
It's in my programming
Sounds like every female I've ever met, ever. With a touch of the geekiness that I've only found in the females who've stolen my heart... Thank christ we don't know each other irl, I'd be hitting on you with cheesy one-liners by now -_-
*Couch* right, immortality. I'd abuse the hell out of that.
Corpsesarefun wrote:So how's about that eternal angry sex eh?
Melissia wrote:Technically speaking, I'm angry at everyone, all the time, always, no matter what, hwere, or when.
It's in my programming
Sounds like every female I've ever met, ever.
With a touch of the geekiness that I've only found in the females who've stolen my heart...
Thank christ we don't know each other irl, I'd be hitting on you with cheesy one-liners by now -_-
*Couch* right, immortality.
I'd abuse the hell out of that.
Corpsesarefun wrote:So how's about that eternal angry sex eh?
Enough with the sex motifs already, people!
This is the internet.
Once we smell blood (or in this case, some other bodily fluids), we can not be stopped.
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
What about evolution, or fission occurring in each and every one of the stars gracing the night sky, and those out of sight? Ha! Machinery? Man has not built anything that does not yet exist in a natural form.
Exactly what I was getting at. We will never "overcome" nature.
Corpsesarefun wrote:Every time any negative has been mentioned you've replied with "nope, you have X superpower to counter that" or "dude, don't be so negative".
This is not a discussion, this is you looking for confirmation.
So, I'm just supposed to agree with you guys that immortality is boring? Being ordinary is boring, just being part of a faceless mass of flesh and animals. Compared to that, being an immortal or a god is so much more interesting.
Why do you look so negatively at being ordinary? Be positive!
Blame my parents: "You want to be a nobody for the rest of your life? Be ambitious! Be somebody!" (my father). "Why settle for ordinary when you can be so much more? Think big!" (my mother).
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Technology is above and beyond nature.
Examples, please. I am very curious.
Genetic engineering, nuclear technology, machinery in general.
If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far. The natural world, well, I can appreciate it, but that won't stop me from bending and twisting it to our will.
Melissia wrote:Because destruction is nowhere near as interesting as creation.
Indeed? The beauty of destruction and the beauty of an explosion are among the most beautiful things in the universe.
I voted yes. However, there is only one person I would wish to make immortal and she has already told me what she thinks of immortality. Also I doubt she would leave her boyfriend for me even if I could offer immortality to her. So yeah, I don't know who I'd make immortal with me.
Prince Tatsu: Failed? But we saved Pearl Harbor! Emperor Yoshiro: Indeed? And while you were focused on Pearl Harbor, an enemy naval force slipped through and is headed for Tokyo!
Or I just go and wreak a bloody swath of destruction across the universe.
Why would you want to do that?
Why not?
Oh, I don't know, lack of a desire to inflict pain and suffering on others? If you've actually seen true "destruction", you would know that it is not something to aspire to.
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Tadashi wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:
If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
My friend, all I've got to say to that is that you are missing out on a lot.
Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
rubiksnoob wrote:If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
That's only because you're not good at it yet. It takes effort. If you haven't yet been able to figure out how to make a fraction of ONE human lifespan interesting, there's no way in heck you'd be able to make infinite human lifespans interesting.
Which means this whole thread is mis-titled. As others have already observed, your question isn't abut immortality, it's about being a god.
Tadashi wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because destruction is nowhere near as interesting as creation.
Indeed? The beauty of destruction and the beauty of an explosion are among the most beautiful things in the universe.
You did have this grammatically correct. "Indeed?" with the question mark is semantically equivalent to asking "Is that so?"
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
rubiksnoob wrote:If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
That's only because you're not good at it yet. It takes effort. If you haven't yet been able to figure out how to make a fraction of ONE human lifespan interesting, there's no way in heck you'd be able to make infinite human lifespans interesting.
Which means this whole thread is mis-titled. As others have already observed, your question isn't abut immortality, it's about being a god.
The only time I enjoy is when I'm playing video games and reading novels...or learning something new. But the ultimate interest is when I finish doing something I started.
rubiksnoob wrote:If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
That's only because you're not good at it yet. It takes effort. If you haven't yet been able to figure out how to make a fraction of ONE human lifespan interesting, there's no way in heck you'd be able to make infinite human lifespans interesting.
Which means this whole thread is mis-titled. As others have already observed, your question isn't abut immortality, it's about being a god.
The only time I enjoy is when I'm playing video games and reading novels...or learning something new. But the ultimate interest is when I finish doing something I started.
Melissia wrote:Destruction does cause pain in others.
This brings up a good point. There is a fairly well known species of wasp that lays it's eggs in a living caterpillar. Does the wasp feel remorse for the caterpillar? No, they are entirely different, although the wasp metamorphisized from a larva that was characteristically similar to the caterpillar it now inflicts the suffering upon.
What I'm getting at is that some people, when granted the power of immortality, will no longer see themselves as 'human' therefore the suffering will be distant.
With such great power as immortality grants, the meaningless slaughter would be like an adolescent torturing small animals for fun. Disturbing as all gak.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the stars.
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
That's only because you're not good at it yet. It takes effort. If you haven't yet been able to figure out how to make a fraction of ONE human lifespan interesting, there's no way in heck you'd be able to make infinite human lifespans interesting.
Which means this whole thread is mis-titled. As others have already observed, your question isn't abut immortality, it's about being a god.
The only time I enjoy is when I'm playing video games and reading novels...or learning something new. But the ultimate interest is when I finish doing something I started.
Well, you really do lead a sorry existence.
The irony is, the person I usually play those games with is a girl I grew up with (no, not my sister, and definitely not my girlfriend - read up on Westermarck Effect).
Melissia wrote:An explosion is not what I think of when I think of destruction, but maybe that's just me as a chemist.
Go go flesh-eating bacteria?
Although it's rarely used because it's too fast and dangerous, combustion is just another form of synthesis, the product of which is heat and water as well as a byproduct depending on what the hydrogen-holding reagent was.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
The world isn't as black and white as 40K. That is all I am going to say about that.
rubiksnoob wrote:If you really think that being human is so boring and that the natural world around you is so uninteresting, you seriously lack an appreciation for the complexity and intricacy of human beings and the world we live in.
Human beings are Human beings...I'm one right now, and its not really that interesting, seeing as I've been one so far.
That's only because you're not good at it yet. It takes effort. If you haven't yet been able to figure out how to make a fraction of ONE human lifespan interesting, there's no way in heck you'd be able to make infinite human lifespans interesting.
Which means this whole thread is mis-titled. As others have already observed, your question isn't abut immortality, it's about being a god.
The only time I enjoy is when I'm playing video games and reading novels...or learning something new. But the ultimate interest is when I finish doing something I started.
Well, you really do lead a sorry existence.
The irony is, the person I usually play those games with is a girl I grew up with (no, not my sister, and definitely not my girlfriend - read up on Westermarck Effect).
Oh wait, you play video games with a girl? My mistake, you are the pinnacle of human achievement.
Melissia wrote:An explosion is not what I think of when I think of destruction, but maybe that's just me as a chemist.
Go go flesh-eating bacteria?
Although it's rarely used because it's too fast and dangerous, combustion is just another form of synthesis, the product of which is heat and water as well as a byproduct depending on what the hydrogen-holding reagent was.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Humans are the perfect species, alone worthy to rule the universe. All others are fit for cannon fodder...our powers will be used to burn the stars and bring about total Human domination.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Humans are the perfect species, alone worthy to rule the universe. All others are fit for cannon fodder...our powers will be used to burn the stars and bring about total Human domination.
You should probably stop basing your personal beliefs about life on 40k fluff.
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Humans are the perfect species, alone worthy to rule the universe. All others are fit for cannon fodder...our powers will be used to burn the stars and bring about total Human domination.
You should probably stop basing your personal beliefs about life on 40k fluff.
Even before 40k I have believed Humans should rule the universe...although without the xenocidal tendencies. Just first among equals among all sapients.
Can I use my ability to alter the universe to make about twenty or so other immortals whom can only be killed by chopping off their heads?
And would it be wrong of me to hunt them all down? There can only be one!
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Tadashi wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:
rubiksnoob wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Humans are the perfect species, alone worthy to rule the universe. All others are fit for cannon fodder...our powers will be used to burn the stars and bring about total Human domination.
You should probably stop basing your personal beliefs about life on 40k fluff.
Even before 40k I have believed Humans should rule the universe...although without the xenocidal tendencies. Just first among equals among all sapients.
I never knew first among equals meant killing the ones who weren't first.....
Tadashi wrote:Who said anything about pain? I'm just going to go wander around the galaxy - if I don't like the things I encounter, I unleash my mechanical legions...or just have the star go supernova or throw a naked singularity and wipe the planet from the face of the universe. Its not like they're Human...it'll be no better than swatting a fly or crushing a bug.
Y'know, that whole "I don't like 'em, kill them all!" attitude you display has been shared by a few other notable figures in history.
Meh...I'll make up for it. The planet is scoured clean, so we terraform and turn it into a Maiden World, ready for Human settlement. And then onto the next planet, and so on...isn't that wonderful? Their deaths will the cornerstones of a Human race scattered across the galaxy.
No, no, it's not. If I wasn't fairly certain you are just a virginal nerd who wishes he had the powers of his favorite anime characters, I would think you are a complete psychopath.
Humans are the perfect species, alone worthy to rule the universe. All others are fit for cannon fodder...our powers will be used to burn the stars and bring about total Human domination.
You should probably stop basing your personal beliefs about life on 40k fluff.
Even before 40k I have believed Humans should rule the universe...although without the xenocidal tendencies. Just first among equals among all sapients.
We'll continue this when you're back from your break with reality. Enjoy the vacation!
Well, this thread's probably in it's death throes just about now...
I'll return if the course of the conversation rights itself toward immortality or somesuch related topic.
Squidmanlolz wrote:Well, this thread's probably in it's death throes just about now...
I'll return if the course of the conversation rights itself toward immortality or somesuch related topic.
Then let's return to the topic at hand...if the immortality achieved was achieved by technological means, you wouldn't stagnate as long as you keep your technology updated.
Melissia wrote:An explosion is not what I think of when I think of destruction, but maybe that's just me as a chemist.
Go go flesh-eating bacteria?
Although it's rarely used because it's too fast and dangerous, combustion is just another form of synthesis, the product of which is heat and water as well as a byproduct depending on what the hydrogen-holding reagent was.
Melissia wrote:An explosion is not what I think of when I think of destruction, but maybe that's just me as a chemist.
Go go flesh-eating bacteria?
Although it's rarely used because it's too fast and dangerous, combustion is just another form of synthesis, the product of which is heat and water as well as a byproduct depending on what the hydrogen-holding reagent was.
So where do you guys think I should draw the line in my "steering humanity on the path to a brighter future"? I'm already going to eliminate those who torture animals or other such heinous crimes (Actual tortur, not slaughterhouses or anything like that.) But should I overthrow all the governments as well?
Slarg232 wrote:So where do you guys think I should draw the line in my "steering humanity on the path to a brighter future"? I'm already going to eliminate those who torture animals or other such heinous crimes (Actual tortur, not slaughterhouses or anything like that.) But should I overthrow all the governments as well?
That's up to you...as for whether or not to overthrow existing governments, it would depend if you can unite through diplomacy or not.
Its said the journey is just as important as the destination...just be careful you're so focused on either that you never get where you want to go.
Melissia wrote:You'll probably end up becoming the ruler yourself numerous times (And get overthrown numerous times) , being immortal and all that.
Well see, I don't want to rule. I would hate it. I just want to be able to set people in who will do right. Don't have to agree with everything they do, but they have to do SOMETHING, instead of this damn back and forth hissyfit bitching politicians do now a days.
Melissia wrote:You'll probably end up becoming the ruler yourself numerous times (And get overthrown numerous times) , being immortal and all that.
Well see, I don't want to rule. I would hate it. I just want to be able to set people in who will do right. Don't have to agree with everything they do, but they have to do SOMETHING, instead of this damn back and forth hissyfit bitching politicians do now a days.
In other words, you're a 'shadow king'. But how do you intend to keep your puppets in line/control without revealing yourself?
Squidmanlolz wrote:Who needs an army when you can throw yourself at the opposition repeatedly?
I would have to look like this when doing so:
The dude in the coat. Because there is nothing cooler than a dude in a coat.
Tadashi wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:You'll probably end up becoming the ruler yourself numerous times (And get overthrown numerous times) , being immortal and all that.
Well see, I don't want to rule. I would hate it. I just want to be able to set people in who will do right. Don't have to agree with everything they do, but they have to do SOMETHING, instead of this damn back and forth hissyfit bitching politicians do now a days.
In other words, you're a 'shadow king'. But how do you intend to keep your puppets in line/control without revealing yourself?
I'm not going to "Keep them in line". I'm going to set up someone who will keep them going forward, and when that person stops doing so, I will remove them and put someone else who will do the same. It doesn't matter how they go, as long as they continue to go. Naturally, any ruler in any major country that is going to cause another WWII would be eliminated. Wars halt Progress.
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
Going insane would require mortality, as it is illness.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'd probably regret it, but there's a lot I'd want to see. I'd do it.
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Not to mention after a couple of million years you may get it together again and live for many billion more years quite happily until the universe ends and you can then make your own.
Going insane would require mortality, as it is illness.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'd probably regret it, but there's a lot I'd want to see. I'd do it.
There is a difference between mortality and vulnerability.
As per the constraints here, it seems we are vulnerable to all things except death.
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Humans are never supposed to be free of war; they are, however, going to be free of long, drawn out wars. Conflicts happen, it is human nature. But I would never allow it to escalate as badly as our past has illustrated to us humanity is willing to go to (Total extermination, for instance).
I'm failing to see the appeal of this scenario. If I have probability-altering powers to alter those things directly related to me (i.e. pretty much whoever or whatever I want, as something that is interesting to me is related to me, as is someone I've talked to, someone I care about, etc.), I would in essence be a divine being. I'm limited to granting immortality to one person? Fine, those people I care about and talk with or think about are no longer prone to death due to coincidental circumstances that lead to the unlikely situation that they never die or grow old. Similar loop-holes exist for most any other situation thanks to this power.
Now, if we want to talk about something interesting, how about simple "you live forever and that's it" immortality?
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Humans are never supposed to be free of war; they are, however, going to be free of long, drawn out wars. Conflicts happen, it is human nature. But I would never allow it to escalate as badly as our past has illustrated to us humanity is willing to go to (Total extermination, for instance).
I'm not sure Human nature can be chained so easily.
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Humans are never supposed to be free of war; they are, however, going to be free of long, drawn out wars. Conflicts happen, it is human nature. But I would never allow it to escalate as badly as our past has illustrated to us humanity is willing to go to (Total extermination, for instance).
I'm not sure Human nature can be chained so easily.
It's a good thing I'm not human anymore, ain't it?
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Humans are never supposed to be free of war; they are, however, going to be free of long, drawn out wars. Conflicts happen, it is human nature. But I would never allow it to escalate as badly as our past has illustrated to us humanity is willing to go to (Total extermination, for instance).
I'm not sure Human nature can be chained so easily.
It's a good thing I'm not human anymore, ain't it?
Ha! That it is! An ideal ruler would be a post-Human, since he/she has transcended Humanity already.
Not necessarily...sometimes it acts as a crucible, destroying old and useless systems to make way for the new. And Humans will never be free of war...even that is too idealistic. Even now, when we can prevent world wars from starting, hatred continues to burn in all its infernal glory and sets loose small shooting wars across the globe.
Humans are never supposed to be free of war; they are, however, going to be free of long, drawn out wars. Conflicts happen, it is human nature. But I would never allow it to escalate as badly as our past has illustrated to us humanity is willing to go to (Total extermination, for instance).
I'm not sure Human nature can be chained so easily.
It's a good thing I'm not human anymore, ain't it?
Ha! That it is! An ideal ruler would be a post-Human, since he/she has transcended Humanity already.
Wrong. An ideal ruler is someone whom is close to his subjects, and therefore of the same species/abilities.
That's why Barbers know more about what the american people want than politicians; they are down in the thick of it, talking to them.
Tadashi wrote:Impossible...that kind of person will only see the 'small picture'. The 'big picture' is much more important.
What is the big picture if not for several smaller pictures put together?
The problem is the kind of ruler you see as ideal might get too attached to the small picture.
That's the whole point. They are attached to the small picture, so they get it right. I can look at the big picture, and remove them when it no longer serves the big picture.
Tadashi wrote:Impossible...that kind of person will only see the 'small picture'. The 'big picture' is much more important.
What is the big picture if not for several smaller pictures put together?
The problem is the kind of ruler you see as ideal might get too attached to the small picture.
That's the whole point. They are attached to the small picture, so they get it right. I can look at the big picture, and remove them when it no longer serves the big picture.
Ah, I see...the 'king' would handle the small picture, but the 'shadow king' (you) would handle the big picture. Well, I can respect that.
Me, I'd prefer to be a benevolent dictator, but I'll leave the day-to-day business to a bureaucracy and a ruling council.
Tadashi wrote:Impossible...that kind of person will only see the 'small picture'. The 'big picture' is much more important.
What is the big picture if not for several smaller pictures put together?
The problem is the kind of ruler you see as ideal might get too attached to the small picture.
That's the whole point. They are attached to the small picture, so they get it right. I can look at the big picture, and remove them when it no longer serves the big picture.
Ah, I see...the 'king' would handle the small picture, but the 'shadow king' (you) would handle the big picture. Well, I can respect that.
Me, I'd prefer to be a benevolent dictator, but I'll leave the day-to-day business to a bureaucracy and a ruling council.
Tadashi wrote:Impossible...that kind of person will only see the 'small picture'. The 'big picture' is much more important.
What is the big picture if not for several smaller pictures put together?
The problem is the kind of ruler you see as ideal might get too attached to the small picture.
That's the whole point. They are attached to the small picture, so they get it right. I can look at the big picture, and remove them when it no longer serves the big picture.
Ah, I see...the 'king' would handle the small picture, but the 'shadow king' (you) would handle the big picture. Well, I can respect that.
Me, I'd prefer to be a benevolent dictator, but I'll leave the day-to-day business to a bureaucracy and a ruling council.
I recall there was an immortal character in the Hitchhiker's series who coped with his immortality by going around the universe trying to insult every being at least once.
GalacticDefender wrote:I recall there was an immortal character in the Hitchhiker's series who coped with his immortality by going around the universe trying to insult every being at least once.
If we go with fictional immortals having no trouble with the fact...then I'm with the Emperor - until the Horus Heresy the old man didn't have any problems being immortal.
