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Its not up yet but info from Gencon

GenCon - Mantic Games Dreadball
Mantic Games announced Dreadball, a futuristic Sport game.


Kickstarter campiagn will go live in 10 days.
Base game set includes Orcs and Humans.
Forgefathers and Veer-Myn as Booster Teams.

3 kinds of players (strong brawlers, field player, fast players).
Veer-Myn won't have brawlers.
Forgefathers won't have fast players.

No reset of teams after score.

4 stats for players, streamlined for fast play.

Miniatures one piece or snap-fit, plastic, individual poses.

I'm certainly interested...

Definitely interested to see how this shakes out. Bloodbowl is still one of the greatest games GW ever put out (IMO). If I could find people to play with... If this ends up being a more "straight out of the box" solution, then I could be into it. At least, assuming it's anywhere near the same kind of game...

Regardless of the game, that's a great marketing piece-- very cool execution.

Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Hmm, heard about this for a while now. Could make a good present for the other gamers in my household!

Provided the minis are good, (and from the two shown I have high hopes) and they have some attractive stretch goals I may just get this!

Gorlack wrote:Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Yes, Bloodbowl but in space is something completely original. The artwork and minis so far look decent though.

While there are lots of better things to do than attempt to clone bloodbowl, especially since Bloodbowl has one of the best rulesets out there on the tabletop and any attempt to out do it will fail... that ork looks fantastic. First Ork I have liked.

I hope this game pans out to be original sport boardgame and not just an inferior rip-off of bloodbowl. I have seen some awesome attempts like the fantasy Hockey game and such.

Still won't give a dime to the kickstarter. Make a good game with good figures and sell it like a business and I will then give you my money for said product. When I buy a car, I don't give the dealer my money and then ask them to go invent it and design it and provide me a car a year later.

Brother SRM wrote:

Gorlack wrote:Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Yes, Bloodbowl but in space is something completely original. The artwork and minis so far look decent though.

HAHA.

Reading between the lines I can only assume BloodFleet will follow soon.

nkelsch wrote:

Still won't give a dime to the kickstarter. Make a good game with good figures and sell it like a business and I will then give you my money for said product. When I buy a car, I don't give the dealer my money and then ask them to go invent it and design it and provide me a car a year later.

This.

I did give to a local business, but that was something different.

Brother SRM wrote:

Gorlack wrote:Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Yes, Bloodbowl but in space is something completely original. The artwork and minis so far look decent though.

I was actually being sarcastic. Guess it wasn't clear enoguh for you.

And don't think we will see dreadfleet in space, since that is basically battlefleet gothic, so the next will probably be space quest hm... I might actually be interrested in that...

Gorlack wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Gorlack wrote:Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Yes, Bloodbowl but in space is something completely original. The artwork and minis so far look decent though.

I was actually being sarcastic. Guess it wasn't clear enoguh for you.

I thought it was abundantly clear...

It was the 3 periods that did it for me

Kickstarter campaign?

I was under the impression that this was already being produced, several websites already have all four teams and the special characters up for pre-order.

I can do my usual work of OP-admin on the thread for this if Dakka would like. It should be a lot easier and smaller than the KoW one to keep track of though since I'm guessing they'll mainly be looking at using kickstarter as a marketing vector for this one rather than giving away a lot of free stuff.

As for the game, I dunno, not interested in sports games, so I'll give it a miss.

I'm fine with Mantic broadly following in the path of GW games for their specialist games (So far we've had WH Quest and Space Hulk in the form of DKH and PP), because I know that eventually it'll result in me getting what I really want...either 6mm scale or warband-level Skirmish for either fantasy or sci-fi.

OOOH, if this is any good, I may have to pick the game up to have a go with my brother. Does anyone know if it's going to be bogged down in loads of rules or is it going to be a light and easy game for non tabletop gaming people?

^ Judging by Mantic's current track record, the latter.

All their rules are extremely light reading, the rules are likely to be a 24-page mini-book, same as all their other board games.

I'm a little confused about why they'd go the kickstarter route with this one. If they're only doing 4 teams and special characters then I wonder about how much they could do in terms of stretch goals. I doubt they'd release teams for the other Warpath races prior to getting the armies ready for the main game, so the scope seems fairly limitied.

But they are the ones who know what their plans are so hopefully it'll be a fun ride to watch.

Honestly, I too am past the point of being sick of all the kickstarters.

But I can't blame Mantic (or anyone) for still running them - damn near all of them make a stupid amount of money, and on the consumer end you generally wind up getting a really good bargain. It's pretty much a win-win.

I just wonder if 2013 is going to be a terrible year sales-wise for the wargaming industry, since everyone will have spent so much money this year, and will be getting all of their toys next year ...

Hm, I'd actually like to see them complete the Kings of War Kickstarter project before starting a new one.

scarletsquig wrote:Kickstarter campaign?
I was under the impression that this was already being produced, several websites already have all four teams and the special characters up for pre-order.

May I remind you of a certain "Kings of War" kickstarter campaign that started long after Mantic had the product on preorder with a fixed release date (which turned out one day after kickstarter end) and people having paid for it (more than kickstarter requested BTW)? This is how Mantic does things. Get used to it.

I certainly hope it's not run like Relic Knights with stretch goals all over in order to "unlock" things they plan to do regardless within the timeframe anyway.

Kroothawk wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Kickstarter campaign?
I was under the impression that this was already being produced, several websites already have all four teams and the special characters up for pre-order.

May I remind you of a certain "Kings of War" kickstarter campaign that started long after Mantic had the product on preorder with a fixed release date (which turned out one day after kickstarter end) and people having paid for it (more than kickstarter requested BTW)? This is how Mantic does things. Get used to it.

Yeah, it IS absolutely unacceptable for them to keep pulling this sort of stuff!

That Kings of War did absolutely nothing but line Mantic's pockets! Well except for getting those sexy as Werewolves and Ogres moved up along production queue, oh and providing people a sweet entry point into massive armies, ah crap I am forgetting those sweet free miniatures and 2 for 1 dealies as well, oh and give some lucky people with money to burn to become a character in the mantic world.

But other than that! Absolute Bollocks! Kroothawk is right! Down with Mantic's Kickstarters!


If this Kickstarter is the same I won't be that upset, it means that if enough money is pumped in we can get other race's teams out earlier? Get a cheaper deal maybe? Hell, if lucky I might even be able to drop a grand in and become the equivalent of a Bloodbowl Star Player, and you can be I won't be going down the route of Griff Oberwald and wearing a Chicken on my head. Though I seriously doubt I would be able to afford that pleasure

Now it is 6am here and I have to run off and actually help run a Bloodbowl Tourney.

@scipio: That's what I meant when I posted. Not bothered about the fact that it's going to get made anyway, just that there is very little room for expansion with this beyond what they're already doing. They could do some more special characters as stretch goals and add cool counters and stuff to the game, I guess.. but then as you said, we're back in Relic Knights territory.

4 teams and characters are already being made regardless... where do they go from there with the stretch goals?

Plague and Zzor aren't suitable for expansion teams, Rebels are covered by Humans, and I dunno.. maybe Asterians, but based on their background that seems unlikely.

Whereas if this was a kickstarter for a second project pandora set (maybe Corporation vs. Zz'or?), there would be all sorts of cool stuff they could do... big stretch goals to put Corp Marines and Zz'or into hard plastic, with cross-over sales to the Warpath range as people want to buy bucketloads of Zz'or and Corp.

With this, you can't use a dude in a football suit on a hexagon base in Warpath (or pretty much any other game out there), out of all the board games Mantic has made this is the only one that isn't suited to the kickstarter format since there isn't any crossover potential. DreadBall minis have to be used in DreadBall (or any other sci-fi sports games out there that I am currently oblivious to).

I guess it depends on whether Dreadball happens in the "proper" Warpath universe, or a "comedy version" of it, like Bloodbowl is to The Old World.

Does Mantic ever have original ideas? Seriously, this is getting old.

Dreadball reminds me of that terrible movie called Rollerball (the remake).

Should have had Paul Heyman advertise Dreadball

It's DrrrrrrrreadBallllll!


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/mv-P2fXF/its_rollerball/

I'm confused, the minis aren't fantasy orcs with footballs added!

It had to happen sooner or later and GW has only themselves to blame.

Just got this in the mail:

Good Moooorning Sports Fans!!!

In association with VitaCarbs StimShake(tm) – the stimulating ‘shake that gets you up in the morning - we are quickly approaching the most highly anticipated, most excruciatingly exciting, most positively exhilarating event of the year – the season-opener of DreeeeeaaaaadBaaaaallll, beamed live to you by DBCN!

Get ready for the new season of the galaxy's greatest sport!

Some interesting looking mini's, I would love to see the Veer-Myn team.

This could work.....

Looks a lot like the old video games; Speedball & Speedball 2...

I hope the game isn't wrecked if you put the miniatures on bases that are large enough to keep them from tipping over.

I'm actually looking forward to this. Sweet. Mantic, you make me happy...Kings of War may steal me away from WFB and Fantasy Flight Games are stealing me from 40k with Dust Warfare...this looks more enjoyable to me than Bloodbowl. I probably won't toss the same quantity towards this kickstarter as I did with KoW, but it's not impossible dependent on deals.

shut up a take my money...

yeah,
I hope one of the reward levels has just the rules tokens and board.
I would love to play this with 40k armies.

SM vs Eldar or Orks vs CSM

Awesome!
I might buy this just for the rules and ditch the minis on eBay.

 deejaybainbridge wrote:

Reading between the lines I can only assume BloodFleet will follow soon.

HAHAHAHA!
+1

Panic...

 Gorlack wrote:
Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

uh?!

The models look like they could work as superheroes for any table top rpg or skirmish game.

 Rolt wrote:
Just got this in the mail:

Good Moooorning Sports Fans!!!

In association with VitaCarbs StimShake(tm) – the stimulating ‘shake that gets you up in the morning - we are quickly approaching the most highly anticipated, most excruciatingly exciting, most positively exhilarating event of the year – the season-opener of DreeeeeaaaaadBaaaaallll, beamed live to you by DBCN!

Get ready for the new season of the galaxy's greatest sport!

Some interesting looking mini's, I would love to see the Veer-Myn team.

Hmmm Rogue Trader Orks vs. Mk7 Marines.

Reasonably interesting (but not mind blowing) miniatures combined with another unoriginal game - 1 outta 2, a new Mantic high score!

As said in the previous locked thread: They're even doing their own version of SPIKE! Magazine? All we need now is two colourful announcers and we've got us a full-blown BB copy that rips off everything.

The cover looks nice, the board is interesting, but just honestly as soon as I heard 'Dreadball" I thought 'No.. bloodbowl too?"

..I am sure it will be unqiue in rules, and just because it is a tabletop sport game it would be predictable to compare it immediatly to bloodbowl.. but the human team in blue, orc team in red....

Mordomunda and Necroheim are next on the list according to my sources

Trolls in the Pasty being the final release just before Mantic are forced to close their doors.

What about Warfleet Baroque? I want that game.

 BrookM wrote:
As said in the previous locked thread: They're even doing their own version of SPIKE! Magazine? All we need now is two colourful announcers and we've got us a full-blown BB copy that rips off everything.

You realise though that Blood Bowl, and a lot of the components in it, are caricatures of sports on US network TV and the kind of commentary duos they have on there? if the two commentators turn out to be a goblin and an ogre then I'll agree that it is going into 'rip-off' territory however..

Looking at this, I'm guessing a mix of Speedball, Rollerball (the rather cool 70's sci-fi movie - why did they never make that into a real sport? ) and yes of course Blood Bowl as well. But, seeing as the latter may as well be out of print (and has quite a different style to it anyway) it's not something that really bothers me to be honest.

 notprop wrote:
Mordomunda and Necroheim are next on the list according to my sources

Which is the puzzle. It's so obvious a money-maker that one has to ask why GW doesn't just go and hits it out of the ball-park (instead of trying to awkwardly hype artificially limited releases like Dreadfleet)?

Wrote a whole blog-post on that actually.

Took them surprisingly long to release their first Space Marines.

 ironicsilence wrote:
shut up a take my money...

As long as there are at least 12 models to a team I'll buy this for it's Bloodbowl potential alone. If the game is actually fun to play on it's own merit that will be gravy.

Insert "haterz gonna hate" image here.

 mattyrm wrote:

 Gorlack wrote:
Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

uh?!

 Gorlack wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Gorlack wrote:Looks great. And nice to finally see Mantic making something original instead of just copying old GW products...

Yes, Bloodbowl but in space is something completely original. The artwork and minis so far look decent though.

I was actually being sarcastic. Guess it wasn't clear enoguh for you.

I can see I need to add a smiley next time :-D

Perhaps they're not copying Bloodbowl, but Battleball!

With aliens

Ahh I remember those commercials!

 kenshin620 wrote:
Perhaps they're not copying Bloodbowl, but Battleball!

With aliens

Ahh I remember those commercials!

I actually have this somewhere. I feel the need to find it now.

Thanks for the reminder!

~Eric

Battle Ball is áctually a pretty awesome game. It only suffers from the teams being identical to play, aside from one special rule for each team.

Waiting for the Reaper Kickstarter to be over? Smart.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Waiting for the Reaper Kickstarter to be over? Smart.

No. They should overlap for a day on friday.

I doubt there is any such fine-grained co-ordination between a Texas and a UK company each working full steam just to manage their own campaign as best they can.

As for the miniatures, would they be any good as conversion pieces, for 40k for example? Orks as Nobz?
Scale, armour types, amount of skulls, etc?

Yes the 'Marauders' (Mantic Orks) are a rather easy stand-in for 40k Orks. Although, they are somewhat smaller in stature, with different proportions so I'm not sure how well they will go alongside the other orks if you already collect a force.

Personally, they remind me a lot of the old Rogue-Trader era orks. Not so much their size (although they are closer to the pre-Brian Nelson orks), but more in their style - kind of a mix of Max-max and other sci-fi themes.

Some predictions for the future of this thread.

Commentary on the past quality of mantics miniatures.

Commentary on how mantic is going to cease to exist as a company because their business practices are apparently not good/moral/working at all.

Commentary on how using kickstarter as a preorder medium is somehow morally wrong, perhaps with the assumption that there is a set level of money that will ever flow through kickstarter at any one time.

40 days later a successful kickstarter and some time after that, a whole bunch of happy mantic fanatics.

 Zweischneid wrote:

No. They should overlap for a day on friday.

I'm not seeing the advantage of doing that.

I doubt there is any such fine-grained co-ordination between a Texas and a UK company each working full steam just to manage their own campaign as best they can.

Or maybe, the Mantic people simply saw how many days the Reaper Kickstarter was going and didn't want to start theres while there was lots of attention directed that way.

No real co-ordination required.

GBL wrote:
Some predictions for the future of this thread.

Commentary on the past quality of mantics miniatures.

Commentary on how mantic is going to cease to exist as a company because their business practices are apparently not good/moral/working at all.

Commentary on how using kickstarter as a preorder medium is somehow morally wrong, perhaps with the assumption that there is a set level of money that will ever flow through kickstarter at any one time.

40 days later a successful kickstarter and some time after that, a whole bunch of happy mantic fanatics.

Kinda correct, although you have to add in a few random "Kroothawk calls Ronnie Renton a lying, stealing [insert insult of choice here]" posts at some point a few pages in.

Throw in a "scarletsquig is being paid by mantic to say good things about them", too.. that's one of my favourites.

Also, someone has to post a pic of the drakon riders and claim that Mantic stole the colour green from GW for their orcs.

We're off to a good start Dakka, keep it up!

I'd say the timing of this kickstarter probably has more to do with the fact that the final shipments for the first half of the KoW kickstarter (everything other than the freebies and bogofs) are going out this week.. so by the time this Dreadball KS is over, everyone who pledges on the KoW one will have the bulk of their stuff already shipped.

 Skinnereal wrote:
As for the miniatures, would they be any good as conversion pieces, for 40k for example? Orks as Nobz?
Scale, armour types, amount of skulls, etc?

Powered Armor orks for 'Counts as' Allies for ork players.

If you put these down with a backpack and weapons, they would be very visually distinct from common tee-shirt orks and could represent all sorts of 'MEQ' allies (chaos and imperial) allies.

I feel like there is a huge hole in the Ork collector's line for futuristic orks in space armor as well as Futuristic orks in space helmet heads... These are quite possibly the first ones I have seen (or at least the first decent ones)

Mantic could consider adding an armored Ork to the Marauders line based upon these models... these are what the failed Marauder hero model could have been when he failed to match his concept art. Also, the proportions on these actually seem to be different from the marauders as the hands and fists almost seem like the size of the ork head, which I prefer actually and has a bit of a hero-scale look to them. The arms seem way longer than the marauders as well leaning towards the 'gorilla' proportions which makes me very happy.

I still need to see detailed images of what I am buying before I would agree to buy something. I have no problem buying something later at full retail as long as I know I will be 100% happy with the result.

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

No. They should overlap for a day on friday.

I'm not seeing the advantage of doing that.

Because you still think they care about Reaper. They don't.

Thursday's a "cinema-type" of starter. They get a first few backers from their viral/emails to get a few initial bucks on the Kickstarter on thursday / early friday. Than, with the first few $$ down, they'll bombard anyone and everyone throughout the weekend for a hopefully blockbuster weekend.

Reaper's not in the equation. If anything, other box games like Sedition Wars would be.

I am sure Mantic has looked at Reaper to see how to keep the hype alive. But they are not competitors really.

And even if they were, they probably should've gone a few days earlier, not later, so that perhaps some people would cancel their reaper at the last minute as they see something even tastier to back.

New pics from BoW:





Looks like the contents of the starter set.

Sculpts look good! Liking the robot referee.

The game is supposed to be a cross between hockey and basketball, so not football.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Reaper's not in the equation.

And then you say:

And even if they were, they probably should've gone a few days earlier, not later, so that perhaps some people would cancel their reaper at the last minute as they see something even tastier to back.

Total facepalm. People aren't cancelling their Reaper one. It's probably the best deal in miniatures in a long, long time. People are scrambling to find extra money to increase their Reaper contribution. Going head to head with that would be dumb.

There's still no advantage to potentially competing with that kick starter. A couple days earlier does nothing other than look like competing money to those who like both fantasy figures and miniature sports games. There is a lot of overlap there. The Bloodbowl community has largely been divorced by GW and now fit the same sort of buying approach as Reaper's customers. A small group every now and again, individual miniatures as needed. Lots of Reaper's customers are in their 30s and 40s and have fond memories of miniature sports themed games from a time when Bloodbowl was well supported. Mantic's whole sculpting approach has been to appeal to those who like the aesthetic of 1990s miniatures.

I think Mantic knows what they are doing on this and timed their Kickstarter with all the available information. Your earlier point about them coordinating was just nonsensical. As is the idea that people would cancel their vampire 200+ miniatures for $100 for another Kickstarter. Very, very unlikely and a stupid strategy to pursue.

Now to the actual content of this Kickstarter:


This looks fantastic. I think I'd still want to put them on larger bases as they probably will tip over.

I really like the aesthetics of both teams and the female robot ref is excellent.

They definitely have utility for conversions as well. The human regular players are just asking for underslung forearm mini chain guns and rocket pods on their shoulders.

Holy crap that looks good! Definitely getting in on this one.

~Eric

Edit: One gripe: Why the bloody hell do the Orcs and Goblins have loincloths?! So overdone and tired. Getting rid of those will be the first conversion I do...

I'll be in on this one, hopefully one of the higher pledges or pledge rewards is a better looking board. Not a fan of the board at all

 frozenwastes wrote:

Total facepalm. People aren't cancelling their Reaper one. It's probably the best deal in miniatures in a long, long time. People are scrambling to find extra money to increase their Reaper contribution. Going head to head with that would be dumb.

Are you so sure? The entire Reaper-thread is full with people rambling on about "I have no clue what to do with this.. but it's such a nice deal"?

US$ 100+ is quite a lot for a mountain of grey that 90% of the backers will likely never paint or use 90% of, but neither will most withdraw "just to get the money back". It is money "already out" in the mind of many.

But if you pitch it rightly; "do you want a tidal-wave of greys or a functional, limited edition game?" I think you could sway some (though not on the last day).

Not many. Not a majority. But some.

Needs moar motorbikes!

 Kingsley wrote:
Does Mantic ever have original ideas? Seriously, this is getting old.

While I'm not going to call Mantic crazily original by any means, almost all of the GW Fantasy races are based on standard Fantasy archetypes. Most of Mantics are no different, and just draw on the same archetypes.

I don't think its the races, but the basic game concept.

Credit where credit is due fantasy football sits firmly with Jervis Johnson and GW.

Streamline or no; Mantic are shameless in their derivation, but since GW seem hell bent on not releasing BB (rumours aside) good luck to them.

While i'll stand by my earlier comments on the team miniature the roboref is pretty damn sweet.

Building custom boards for this game is going to be a major past time for anyone playing it. The default board is terrible.

The robot ref is genius.

What's wrong with the default board? I'm asking as someone who doesn't play sports board games or even watch sports. What would be preferable?

As for the kickstarter, I won't be backing it. I have used up all of my money, birthdays and gift-giving holidays (even Haunkah). I'll just have to wait until next year and see if I can buy the models somewhere, as they are all I'm really interested in. Especially the ref.

The Dreadball board has no doubt suffered greatly through GW"s full-time hiring of Tears of Envy, who did the DKH and Pandora floor tiles, as well as quite a few other games' stuff.

What did GW hire them for? And when?

Well, I could take a couple of guesses!

But I guess we won't know for sure until the game is practically on top of us.

You would think in any case that there would be enough professional artists/designers who can make a good job of it? It's hard to get a really good look at the board from what we have seen so far, and it also might be that they have deliberately gone for that kind of style - like something from Tron, but of course missing the glowing neon bits!

 George Spiggott wrote:
Needs moar motorbikes!

Stretch Goal?

Having just seen the new pics (blocked at work) I do have to wonder why they went with such Not-Space Marine style helmets, instead of at least going for the Not-Iron Man designs they've been showing for Warpath recently. The rest of the armour is much mroe generic sci-fi, but those helmets.. sheesh. They're almost Chapterhousian in their inspiration...

Having said that, I do like all the figures. Let's see what they do with this one...


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What did GW hire them for? And when?

Tears of Envy is a her, though with a name like that confusion is understandable. Also, click link in post above - find Answers.


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 Pacific wrote:
Well, I could take a couple of guesses!

But I guess we won't know for sure until the game is practically on top of us.

You would think in any case that there would be enough professional artists/designers who can make a good job of it? It's hard to get a really good look at the board from what we have seen so far, and it also might be that they have deliberately gone for that kind of style - like something from Tron, but of course missing the glowing neon bits!

I'd rather have seen something like Speedball's stainless steel look than a starfield. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be double-sided?

he more I look at those pictures the more those models look crap on such tiny bases.

They should be on hex bases instead.

Maybe hex bases will be a stretch goal - producing a sprue of hex bases would be expensive for what is potentially a one-off, niche game. Personally, I will be basing them on hex bases anyway.

Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.


Kickstarter is going live tomorrow, and will have stretch goals for new teams, expansion sets, characters and cheerleaders.

I'd like to make a thread where I keep the OP updated, but if this thread has gone too far for a dupe thread to be wanted Ill just make one on the Mantic forums and post a link to it here.

This shouldn't be a complicated one anyway, it'll probably take the form of a basic boxed game pledge + free figures at each stretch goal.

 scarletsquig wrote:


Throw in a "scarletsquig is being paid by mantic to say good things about them", too.. that's one of my favourites.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

That roboref model is pretty sweet looking.

H.B.M.C. wrote:What did GW hire them for? And when?

As of February 2012 Tears of Envy Design is closed for business. I now work full-time as a Book Designer for Games Workshop. As a result I am no longer accepting freelance commissions.

The work you see here is my game-related portfolio. Most of it dates from 2008 to early 2012. The bulk of the perojects are board and tabletop games.

I would like to thank all my previous clients for their support over the years. Without their belief in me I would be where I am today.

I still update my blog, so please read my ramblings here.

All the best,

Tears of Envy

reds8n wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:


Throw in a "scarletsquig is being paid by mantic to say good things about them", too.. that's one of my favourites.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

Silly mods, I can't eat .pdf files. The bits get stuck in my teeth. :p

Anyway, while you're here - can I make a new thread for this tomorrow, for the purpose of punctual updates that explain the stretch goals and rewards better than the actual KS page itself does?

If not, I fully understand, it shouldn't be a big deal for this particular one anyway (the Warpath KS next year will definitely need it though).

 scarletsquig wrote:


Anyway, while you're here - can I make a new thread for this tomorrow, for the purpose of punctual updates that explain the stretch goals and rewards better than the actual KS page itself does?

That's fine, when you do hit the alert on this thread and we can lock it.

But if you do that we will have to make all the same pithy comments in the new thread...again.

How many players per team?

Can I field an all ork team without using goblins?

^

- 8 players initially, but this can be expanded up to 14 via hiring new team members and MVPs. There's an underdog system to balance games out in the case of highly uneven teams.
- No, you have to have 3 Orcs and 5 Goblins in the starting team. The Orcs are guards who can't pick up the ball anyway, they're there to beat people up! You could easily just use some regular warpath marauders in place of the goblin jacks though.

Something else that I just noticed and liked - If a player is badly injured during a league, you can either spend lots of money on the medical tech to revive them, or gain some money by letting them die and harvesting organs from the corpse to sell.

So how does this compare to Bloodbowl? Is it I-go-you-go or do you activate models individually? What are the various designs for on the field?

 bbb wrote:
So how does this compare to Bloodbowl?

Why would you even ask that? This has nothing to do with Bloodbowl. It's completely original and besides, GW doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy sports in the first place, you know!

yeah,

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away..

we can't ask questions since we have no knowledge of its contents.
You could post the PDF and if we have trouble reading it we'll ask you for help.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 bbb wrote:
So how does this compare to Bloodbowl?

Why would you even ask that? This has nothing to do with Bloodbowl. It's completely original ...

Which is why he would ask for a comparison. you know how does this compare against the market leader.


Panic...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

Where is the download link?

So how does this compare to Bloodbowl? Is it I-go-you-go or do you activate models individually? What are the various designs for on the field?

- A combination of both. Each turn (or "Rush" as the rules call it) you get to spend a certain amount of action tokens to move and take actions with your models, once you've used them all play passes to the opposing player.

There's an element of overwatch in play too, in that you can't just run past opposing models in your turn without having to try and dodge their attempts to smack you down.

The designs on the field are the strike zones and goals.

- There are 3 on each side of the pitch, once you've moved into the strike zone (lit up hexes), you can attempt to throw the ball into the goal hex.

As soon as a point is scored, the teams are not reset, but a ball is immediately re-launched from the centre of the pitch and play continues instantaneously.

First team to gain a lead of 7 points wins, or if the game reaches 14 rushes for each side, then the leading side wins. If it's a tie, then play continues into "sudden death" mode where the first team to score a point wins.


Also, any requests for me to post a pirate copy of the .pdf on Dakka (or anywhere else) are going to be ignored.

Taarnak wrote:
One gripe: Why the bloody hell do the Orcs and Goblins have loincloths?!

Probably because original Kings of War model its based on had one, and sculpting new models is hard!!!


Sorry... was that overly harsh to Mantic's MO when it comes to making 'new' models?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Taarnak wrote:
One gripe: Why the bloody hell do the Orcs and Goblins have loincloths?!

Probably because original Kings of War model its based on had one, and sculpting new models is hard!!!


Sorry... was that overly harsh to Mantic's MO when it comes to making 'new' models?

^ Y'all are going to be begging for a loincloth once you see what the Veermyn team are wearing "down there".

You know, those game pics makes me wonder...


That is a really nice robot imo

Please tell me mantic is going to make some robot faction. I could use an army of drones and stuff

 Cyporiean wrote:
But yes, you'd never see a piece of cloth draping down in front of a player in a real sport! ..oh wait.

Do you wear a loincloth? Does it cover the part of your body where your sense of humour used to be?


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 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Y'all are going to be begging for a loincloth once you see what the Veermyn team are wearing "down there".

MC Hammer parachute pants?

 Cyporiean wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Taarnak wrote:
One gripe: Why the bloody hell do the Orcs and Goblins have loincloths?!

Probably because original Kings of War model its based on had one, and sculpting new models is hard!!!


Sorry... was that overly harsh to Mantic's MO when it comes to making 'new' models?

They aren't based on any previous models.

But yes, you'd never see a piece of cloth draping down in front of a player in a real sport! ..oh wait.

yeah...
DreadBall is completely original.


I hear they have already planned an Expansion pack 'PandoraBall', games are played in corridors and rooms, in space.
You have to search cargo boxes for the ball before you can score.


Panic...

Now who's being a cynic!

Does Elf Ball get this much hate?

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does Elf Ball get this much hate?

Too obscure or everyone uses them for BB Proxies


Look how many different people make fantasy football stuff

Notice everyone compliments the models and etc

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/400021.page

While I like the models and enjoy the inter-company drama over my morning coffee I have never found sports based board games to be very fulfilling either due to the pace or complexity. Going to live sporting events, participating in sports, or even watching a game on tv is better than a drawn out recreation of a made up sport. It's easy enough to add a ball element to any other game. Not being a negative nancy here, just wondering what the appeal of sports based board games is? Sell me!

yeah

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does Elf Ball get this much hate?

Too obscure or everyone uses them for BB Proxies ...

Bingo!
Elfball is like pizza shop run by some wise guys.
Sure some people might buy the pizza or a copy of elfball.. but that's not were the real money is being made.

Panic...

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does Elf Ball get this much hate?

It must be fun to live in a world where you can just dismiss all criticism as 'hate'.

I actually don't care that much - and the board and the models look fine to me - but it's hard to ignore the fact that this is yet another Mantic thing that's not-GW.

Wow, I think Dakkadakka is going to have to back off before they cross the limit of snarky, smarmy and cynical comments that the Interwebz can hold and it all comes crashing down.....sheesh.

"All hail to the holy and immortal GW and it's ability to be so awesome that no one can do anything even approaching similar to the glorious material they have done without earning the scorn of it's fans- even though they couldn't care less what those fans think about their games!"

Good god. At least Mantic will be actively promoting Dreadball products rather than let it stagnate on the Specialist games page for the last....how many years?. It actually sounds like it has just as much in common with Grind from PP as it does with Bloodbowl. Hell, the fans do more advertising for Bloodbowl than GW- I even actually wonder about the percentage of GW players that even know BB exists at all..........

yeah,
Indeed.
And once we have more info about the rules (maybe squig will post the pdf and stop clamering for attention...) we can decided if we want to buy the not-bloodbowl game.

Panic...

 AegisGrimm wrote:
"All hail to the holy and immortal GW and it's ability to be so awesome that no one can do anything even approaching similar to the glorious material they have done without earning the scorn of it's fans- even though they couldn't care less what those fans think about their games!"

Please tell me you're not accusing me - Of. All. People. - of holding such an attitude?

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
Indeed.
And once we have more info about the rules (maybe squig will post the pdf and stop clamering for attention...) we can decided if we want to buy the not-bloodbowl game.

Panic...

speaking of attentionseekers... oh did you consider he's probably allowed to answer questions, but **not** to post the PDF?

There's pirates too - cool beans!

Seriously though if you post the original it won't be a pirate copy. We share on the internet you know. Simples.

Bolognesus wrote:
speaking of attentionseekers... oh did you consider he's probably allowed to answer questions, but **not** to post the PDF?

That's a good point. For all we know he's under an NDA and has been told what he can and cannot say.

yeah

Bolognesus wrote:
speaking of attentionseekers... oh did you consider he's probably allowed to answer questions, but **not** to post the PDF?

That doesn't make any sense why else did they release it to him if not to build hype.
No one knows or cares who he is, It's implied that he's ment to leak the PDF.

Panic...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


That's a good point. For all we know he's under an NDA and has been told what he can and cannot say.

Just as well. Then post the stuff that's been green lighted.

Please tell me you're not accusing me - Of. All. People. - of holding such an attitude?

Why would you automatically assume that's meant to be about you?

I never stated anyone in particular. But it's one of those things where anyone who takes offense should think about whether they are doing so because it applies to them, though, because no one else would care.

I'm just tired of all the Mantic hate like it's some kind of "cool" thing to do, like Ultramarines hate.

 Panic wrote:
yeah

Bolognesus wrote:
speaking of attentionseekers... oh did you consider he's probably allowed to answer questions, but **not** to post the PDF?

That doesn't make any sense why else did they release it to him if not to build hype.
No one knows or cares who he is, It's implied that he's ment to leak the PDF.

Panic...

Because the pony has been one of their bigger fans for some time now? There are a number of us who get information leaks from Mantic because we've supported them from the beginning.

yeah,
If your not sharing it's not really a leak then is it?

Panic...

Bolognesus wrote:
did you consider he's probably allowed to answer questions, but **not** to post the PDF?

This. I haven't signed an NDA or anything, it's just blindingly obvious that I'm not going to go ahead and pirate Mantic's stuff as an illegal download, since I'm not a sociopath.

Going to re-quote a post of mine from earlier in this thread, since it seems to have appeared in an alien language for some people reading it:

Also, any requests for me to post a pirate copy of the .pdf on Dakka (or anywhere else) are going to be ignored.

Still happy to continue answering any questions anyone might have about the rules, as I have already been doing on previous pages.

/delurk

So I came to Dakka and read this thread hoping to find new information about Dreadball. Four pages and maybe four useful posts later... well, I could say that I'm once again taken aback by the sheer amount of useless noise that most of this community pours out of their gaping mouth-holes, but I'm fairly used to it by this point. Mods, please lock this thread. SS, please start the Kickstarter thread. I'd like posts in the News & Rumors section to contain information about, uhh, News & Rumors, not complaining that some company's models helmets look like another company's helmets whose helmets already look like Storm Troopers. Eurgh.

@judgedoug

oh don't worry, they'll fill the new thread up with just the same drivel within the hour. par for the course, on any mantic subject

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Y'all are going to be begging for a loincloth once you see what the Veermyn team are wearing "down there".

Don't give Maelstrom ideas

Honestly I dont hate mantic for doing this. Just not "I MUST BUY THIS" attitude

 Kroothawk wrote:

Don't give Maelstrom ideas

Oh no, melusine cheer leaders!

yeah,
There's not much to discuss at the moment since the kickstarter isn't live and the mantics 'leaks' are not doing their job of passing on the .pdf ...

So what else we gonna talk about other than the obvious comparrisons and what we might hope to get from the game.

I'm a big fan of both bloodbowl and speed ball.
I'm not a fan of mantic sci fi orks although the humans look pretty good.

I'm really only interested in the rules and the board.
If the kickstarter offers a choice of teams and you can pick two human teams Like speedball I'd be more tempted to buy.

Found this online

NYA MGE DBF11-1 DB Midgard Delvers $24.99
NYA MGE DBF70-1 DB Forge Father MVP $9.99
NYA MGE DBH11-1 DB Trontek 29er's $24.99
NYA MGE DBH70-1 DB Human MVP $9.99
NYA MGE DBM01-1 Dreadball Futuristic Sports Game $79.99
NYA MGE DBO11-1 DB Greenmoon Smackers $24.99
NYA MGE DBO70-1 DB Goblin MVP $9.99
NYA MGE DBV11-1 DB Skittersneak Stealers $24.99
NYA MGE DBV70-1 DB Veer-myn MVP

Looks like;
Boxed game retail price is $80
Teams $25
Star Palyers $10

Teams seem to be
Space Dwarfs
Space Orks and Goblins
Space Humans
Space Skaven

Panic...

 scarletsquig wrote:

Going to re-quote a post of mine from earlier in this thread, since it seems to have appeared in an alien language for some people reading it:

Also, any requests for me to post a pirate copy of the .pdf on Dakka (or anywhere else) are going to be ignored.

Still happy to continue answering any questions anyone might have about the rules, as I have already been doing on previous pages.

Can you go into maybe the core mechanic or statline concept?

We talking bb block dice clones, d6, d20, proprietary dice? Card based? Coin flip? Spinny wheel?

And are we talking bb statline with piles of skills or some other function?

We talking back and forth turn based? Interactive both sides turns? One sided play mechanics? Reactive dice rolls and interrupts?

I really can't consider preordering a game where I don't know if the rules are legit or just "elfball"

It does seem eerily similar to Elfball at first glance.

nkelsch wrote:


Can you go into maybe the core mechanic or statline concept?

We talking bb block dice clones, d6, d20, proprietary dice? Card based? Coin flip? Spinny wheel?

And are we talking bb statline with piles of skills or some other function?

We talking back and forth turn based? Interactive both sides turns? One sided play mechanics? Reactive dice rolls and interrupts?

I really can't consider preordering a game where I don't know if the rules are legit or just "elfball"

I can't help with the bloodbowl comparisons, since I've never played it but I can answer everything else.

- d6 used for everything. There is also a deck of 54 cards of various types that are played in-game for various effects.
- Stats are Move, Strength, Speed, Skill and Armour. There's a ton of different special skills in addition.
- Back and forth.. you get 5 Action Tokens to spend each turn, which can be used to move/perform actions with models, or you can spend them on cards. Interrupts are featured, as a special ability that lets you act in the middle of your opponents turn.
- Your turn ends once you've spent your 5 AP or you lose possession of the ball, either by losing it to the opponent, or by making a successful strike.

What is the intended/max team size? 5actions makes it sound like teams are small like 6 max which makes me think hockey.

Is scoring based upon a basket, a goal or endzone? Like moving the ball somewhere to score?

I remember a fantasy hockey fanrules which was actually pretty fun. Beach blood bowl was also really fun and casual friendly so anything which can make for short tactical games in a sport format sounds interesting.

How many players on the field at a time? What is in the boxed game? $80 seems pretty high. How many players come in the expansion boxed teams?

From ScarletSquig's post earlier in the thread:

- 8 players initially, but this can be expanded up to 14 via hiring new team members and MVPs. There's an underdog system to balance games out in the case of highly uneven teams.
- No, you have to have 3 Orcs and 5 Goblins in the starting team. The Orcs are guards who can't pick up the ball anyway, they're there to beat people up! You could easily just use some regular warpath marauders in place of the goblin jacks though.

Looking at the pic from Beasts of War, perhaps 6-7 players on the pitch at any one time? From the sounds of things, I am getting the impression of some kind of high-speed, Speedball esque experience*

* On that note, I just remembered that cool little robot with the stretcher in that game! Hope they do something similar

Does the Rulebook have rules for other teams than the 4 mentioned teams?
(Orcs, Humans, Forgefathers and Veer-Myn)

Super Nashwan v Revolver

 reds8n wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:

Anyway, while you're here - can I make a new thread for this tomorrow, for the purpose of punctual updates that explain the stretch goals and rewards better than the actual KS page itself does?

That's fine, when you do hit the alert on this thread and we can lock it.

And another Mantic thread gets the Putin treatment for including negative comments



Oh, and if you need extra referees

Just got this in the mail:

Pre-match Analysis with Jim Horowitz
We’re less than 24 hours away from two of the sport's most legendary teams taking to humanity’s greatest DreadBall stomping ground – the majestic Co-Prosperity Park!

Not since they played the Midgard Delvers have the Greenmoon Smackers been so hotly tipped to claim victory but never discredit the Trontek 29ers – a dominant victory over the Skittersneak Stealers last season left those rats reeling in masses of their own fur – that had to hurt!

Let's take a look at those teams:

Trontek 29ers
It's been widely documented that Trontek Industries became involved with DreadBall in its earliest days, bringing it to the vidcasts and sports channels in its rough and ready form.

Given the ever-present logo of Trontek it is hardly surprising that their team is one of the most highly regarded of the major leagues. It's has been recently reported that they're interested in signing the famed Number 88 so that their defeat at the hands of the Midgard Delvers in the last rush of the game isn't repeated this season.

Greenmoon Smackers
The Smackers began their career as pirates, ambushing lonely merchant vessels from their hideout on the green moon of Lanthis IV. Eventually they found some recordings of DreadBall games in the entertainment suite of the MVV Bilge Rat and, with little to do for months on end, started playing games among themselves.

As their raids began to focus on stealing DreadBall equipment, they soon came to the notice of Digby, who decided to strike a deal and bring their raw talent to the big leagues.

Let us know who you'll support - stay tuned to DBCN for more live sport!

I would like to echo the question on action points and cards..

5 AP per turn.. does playing a card take a point, or is it drawing a card take a point?

Is there any other way to getting cards in hand other than paying an AP?

Is the playing field fixed in size or can you make your own stadiums or use Home Field Advantage sort of rules?

 Kroothawk wrote:
And another Mantic thread gets the Putin treatment for including negative comments

Ah, I see basic reading and comprehension are outside of your capabilities now? Or did SS's suggestion he'd manage a proper active OP for a DB KS topic just *slip your mind*?

nkelsch wrote:
What is the intended/max team size? 5actions makes it sound like teams are small like 6 max which makes me think hockey.

Is scoring based upon a basket, a goal or endzone? Like moving the ball somewhere to score?

I remember a fantasy hockey fanrules which was actually pretty fun. Beach blood bowl was also really fun and casual friendly so anything which can make for short tactical games in a sport format sounds interesting.

- 8 player teams, 6 players allowed on the pitch and 2 substitutes. Players can move on and off of the yellow square at the back.

- The game is definitely more hockey than football. No player actually touches the ball (it moves at very high velocity, is solid titanium + anti-grav and would break players hands), they use hooked extensions to their arms or holographic catchers/launchers (as can be seen on the cover art). Think the idea is basically the that game is one giant pinball machine! The ball can even be used as a weapon, launching it at other players heads.

- Not just one goal, 3 of them! You can attempt to "throw a strike" whenever you are standing in the glowing area ofhexes on the board, and there is nothing between you and the goal.

 adhuin wrote:
Does the Rulebook have rules for other teams than the 4 mentioned teams?
(Orcs, Humans, Forgefathers and Veer-Myn)

No, but the Kickstarter will have stretch goals for an additional 4 teams, including an all-female one. The basic book contains rules for a ton of "Star Players" (called MVPs) which are available to bid on in leagues.. lots of different types here, ranging from robots to tentacle aliens that entangle their opponents.

 porkuslime wrote:
I would like to echo the question on action points and cards..

5 AP per turn.. does playing a card take a point, or is it drawing a card take a point?

Is there any other way to getting cards in hand other than paying an AP?

Is the playing field fixed in size or can you make your own stadiums or use Home Field Advantage sort of rules?

- Drawing a card takes a point.. playing the cards is done at various points it seems (sometimes in your turn, sometimes your opponents turn, even in the middle of one of their moves). I don't have a copy of the card deck, so I can't go into too much detail on those.
- Each team starts with a certain amount of cards of a particular type... seems like particular cards can be bought mid-match during a league too.
- Nothing about custom-stadiums or home pitches at this point in time.

What is in the boxed game? $80 seems pretty high. How many players come in the expansion boxed teams?

Looks like 16 models, ball, pitch, cards, tokens, dice and rules. I imagine the expansion boxes will have 8 models in them, but more word on that tommorow.

Higher price I've heard is due to higher quality components this time. People weren't too happy about the thin card and B&W rules in Mantic's other games,so this one will be about $20 more expensive than Mantic's previous board games to pay for better components (proper durable pitch and colour rulebook) from the start.

 BladeWalker wrote:
While I like the models and enjoy the inter-company drama over my morning coffee I have never found sports based board games to be very fulfilling either due to the pace or complexity. Going to live sporting events, participating in sports, or even watching a game on tv is better than a drawn out recreation of a made up sport. It's easy enough to add a ball element to any other game. Not being a negative nancy here, just wondering what the appeal of sports based board games is? Sell me!

Just a game, dude. Just a (slightly) different style of game. It's no more about actual sport than 40k is about actual war. While I've never served in Afghanistan, I imagine that playing Force on Force isn't much like actually being there, or even watching YouTube war footage, for that matter.


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judgedoug wrote:
/delurk

So I came to Dakka and read this thread hoping to find new information about Dreadball. Four pages and maybe four useful posts later... well, I could say that I'm once again taken aback by the sheer amount of useless noise that most of this community pours out of their gaping mouth-holes, but I'm fairly used to it by this point. Mods, please lock this thread. SS, please start the Kickstarter thread. I'd like posts in the News & Rumors section to contain information about, uhh, News & Rumors, not complaining that some company's models helmets look like another company's helmets whose helmets already look like Storm Troopers. Eurgh.

Who exactly are you again?


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 scarletsquig wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

What is in the boxed game? $80 seems pretty high. How many players come in the expansion boxed teams?

Looks like 16 models, ball, pitch, cards, tokens, dice and rules. I imagine the expansion boxes will have 8 models in them, but more word on that tommorow.

Higher price I've heard is due to higher quality components this time. People weren't too happy about the thin card and B&W rules in Mantic's other games,so this one will be about $20 more expensive than Mantic's previous board games to pay for better components (proper durable pitch and colour rulebook) from the start.

Hopefully the components justify the price. They're getting into FFG and Wizards territory here with that price point, and those companies have set the bar pretty high for Miniatures/Boardgame components. That's if they're hoping to sell this to a wider audience than just Warhammer grognards.