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New pics from BoW:





Looks like the contents of the starter set.

Sculpts look good! Liking the robot referee.

The game is supposed to be a cross between hockey and basketball, so not football.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Reaper's not in the equation.

And then you say:

And even if they were, they probably should've gone a few days earlier, not later, so that perhaps some people would cancel their reaper at the last minute as they see something even tastier to back.

Total facepalm. People aren't cancelling their Reaper one. It's probably the best deal in miniatures in a long, long time. People are scrambling to find extra money to increase their Reaper contribution. Going head to head with that would be dumb.

There's still no advantage to potentially competing with that kick starter. A couple days earlier does nothing other than look like competing money to those who like both fantasy figures and miniature sports games. There is a lot of overlap there. The Bloodbowl community has largely been divorced by GW and now fit the same sort of buying approach as Reaper's customers. A small group every now and again, individual miniatures as needed. Lots of Reaper's customers are in their 30s and 40s and have fond memories of miniature sports themed games from a time when Bloodbowl was well supported. Mantic's whole sculpting approach has been to appeal to those who like the aesthetic of 1990s miniatures.

I think Mantic knows what they are doing on this and timed their Kickstarter with all the available information. Your earlier point about them coordinating was just nonsensical. As is the idea that people would cancel their vampire 200+ miniatures for $100 for another Kickstarter. Very, very unlikely and a stupid strategy to pursue.

Now to the actual content of this Kickstarter:


This looks fantastic. I think I'd still want to put them on larger bases as they probably will tip over.

I really like the aesthetics of both teams and the female robot ref is excellent.

They definitely have utility for conversions as well. The human regular players are just asking for underslung forearm mini chain guns and rocket pods on their shoulders.

Holy crap that looks good! Definitely getting in on this one.

~Eric

Edit: One gripe: Why the bloody hell do the Orcs and Goblins have loincloths?! So overdone and tired. Getting rid of those will be the first conversion I do...

I'll be in on this one, hopefully one of the higher pledges or pledge rewards is a better looking board. Not a fan of the board at all

 frozenwastes wrote:

Total facepalm. People aren't cancelling their Reaper one. It's probably the best deal in miniatures in a long, long time. People are scrambling to find extra money to increase their Reaper contribution. Going head to head with that would be dumb.

Are you so sure? The entire Reaper-thread is full with people rambling on about "I have no clue what to do with this.. but it's such a nice deal"?

US$ 100+ is quite a lot for a mountain of grey that 90% of the backers will likely never paint or use 90% of, but neither will most withdraw "just to get the money back". It is money "already out" in the mind of many.

But if you pitch it rightly; "do you want a tidal-wave of greys or a functional, limited edition game?" I think you could sway some (though not on the last day).

Not many. Not a majority. But some.

Needs moar motorbikes!

 Kingsley wrote:
Does Mantic ever have original ideas? Seriously, this is getting old.

While I'm not going to call Mantic crazily original by any means, almost all of the GW Fantasy races are based on standard Fantasy archetypes. Most of Mantics are no different, and just draw on the same archetypes.

I don't think its the races, but the basic game concept.

Credit where credit is due fantasy football sits firmly with Jervis Johnson and GW.

Streamline or no; Mantic are shameless in their derivation, but since GW seem hell bent on not releasing BB (rumours aside) good luck to them.

While i'll stand by my earlier comments on the team miniature the roboref is pretty damn sweet.

Building custom boards for this game is going to be a major past time for anyone playing it. The default board is terrible.

The robot ref is genius.

What's wrong with the default board? I'm asking as someone who doesn't play sports board games or even watch sports. What would be preferable?

As for the kickstarter, I won't be backing it. I have used up all of my money, birthdays and gift-giving holidays (even Haunkah). I'll just have to wait until next year and see if I can buy the models somewhere, as they are all I'm really interested in. Especially the ref.

The Dreadball board has no doubt suffered greatly through GW"s full-time hiring of Tears of Envy, who did the DKH and Pandora floor tiles, as well as quite a few other games' stuff.

What did GW hire them for? And when?

Well, I could take a couple of guesses!

But I guess we won't know for sure until the game is practically on top of us.

You would think in any case that there would be enough professional artists/designers who can make a good job of it? It's hard to get a really good look at the board from what we have seen so far, and it also might be that they have deliberately gone for that kind of style - like something from Tron, but of course missing the glowing neon bits!

 George Spiggott wrote:
Needs moar motorbikes!

Stretch Goal?

Having just seen the new pics (blocked at work) I do have to wonder why they went with such Not-Space Marine style helmets, instead of at least going for the Not-Iron Man designs they've been showing for Warpath recently. The rest of the armour is much mroe generic sci-fi, but those helmets.. sheesh. They're almost Chapterhousian in their inspiration...

Having said that, I do like all the figures. Let's see what they do with this one...


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What did GW hire them for? And when?

Tears of Envy is a her, though with a name like that confusion is understandable. Also, click link in post above - find Answers.


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 Pacific wrote:
Well, I could take a couple of guesses!

But I guess we won't know for sure until the game is practically on top of us.

You would think in any case that there would be enough professional artists/designers who can make a good job of it? It's hard to get a really good look at the board from what we have seen so far, and it also might be that they have deliberately gone for that kind of style - like something from Tron, but of course missing the glowing neon bits!

I'd rather have seen something like Speedball's stainless steel look than a starfield. Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be double-sided?

he more I look at those pictures the more those models look crap on such tiny bases.

They should be on hex bases instead.

Maybe hex bases will be a stretch goal - producing a sprue of hex bases would be expensive for what is potentially a one-off, niche game. Personally, I will be basing them on hex bases anyway.

Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.


Kickstarter is going live tomorrow, and will have stretch goals for new teams, expansion sets, characters and cheerleaders.

I'd like to make a thread where I keep the OP updated, but if this thread has gone too far for a dupe thread to be wanted Ill just make one on the Mantic forums and post a link to it here.

This shouldn't be a complicated one anyway, it'll probably take the form of a basic boxed game pledge + free figures at each stretch goal.

 scarletsquig wrote:


Throw in a "scarletsquig is being paid by mantic to say good things about them", too.. that's one of my favourites.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

That roboref model is pretty sweet looking.

H.B.M.C. wrote:What did GW hire them for? And when?

As of February 2012 Tears of Envy Design is closed for business. I now work full-time as a Book Designer for Games Workshop. As a result I am no longer accepting freelance commissions.

The work you see here is my game-related portfolio. Most of it dates from 2008 to early 2012. The bulk of the perojects are board and tabletop games.

I would like to thank all my previous clients for their support over the years. Without their belief in me I would be where I am today.

I still update my blog, so please read my ramblings here.

All the best,

Tears of Envy

reds8n wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:


Throw in a "scarletsquig is being paid by mantic to say good things about them", too.. that's one of my favourites.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

Silly mods, I can't eat .pdf files. The bits get stuck in my teeth. :p

Anyway, while you're here - can I make a new thread for this tomorrow, for the purpose of punctual updates that explain the stretch goals and rewards better than the actual KS page itself does?

If not, I fully understand, it shouldn't be a big deal for this particular one anyway (the Warpath KS next year will definitely need it though).

 scarletsquig wrote:


Anyway, while you're here - can I make a new thread for this tomorrow, for the purpose of punctual updates that explain the stretch goals and rewards better than the actual KS page itself does?

That's fine, when you do hit the alert on this thread and we can lock it.

But if you do that we will have to make all the same pithy comments in the new thread...again.

How many players per team?

Can I field an all ork team without using goblins?

^

- 8 players initially, but this can be expanded up to 14 via hiring new team members and MVPs. There's an underdog system to balance games out in the case of highly uneven teams.
- No, you have to have 3 Orcs and 5 Goblins in the starting team. The Orcs are guards who can't pick up the ball anyway, they're there to beat people up! You could easily just use some regular warpath marauders in place of the goblin jacks though.

Something else that I just noticed and liked - If a player is badly injured during a league, you can either spend lots of money on the medical tech to revive them, or gain some money by letting them die and harvesting organs from the corpse to sell.

So how does this compare to Bloodbowl? Is it I-go-you-go or do you activate models individually? What are the various designs for on the field?

 bbb wrote:
So how does this compare to Bloodbowl?

Why would you even ask that? This has nothing to do with Bloodbowl. It's completely original and besides, GW doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy sports in the first place, you know!

yeah,

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away..

we can't ask questions since we have no knowledge of its contents.
You could post the PDF and if we have trouble reading it we'll ask you for help.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 bbb wrote:
So how does this compare to Bloodbowl?

Why would you even ask that? This has nothing to do with Bloodbowl. It's completely original ...

Which is why he would ask for a comparison. you know how does this compare against the market leader.


Panic...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Well, I've just been sent an advance copy of the rules .pdf, so any questions, fire away.

Where is the download link?

So how does this compare to Bloodbowl? Is it I-go-you-go or do you activate models individually? What are the various designs for on the field?

- A combination of both. Each turn (or "Rush" as the rules call it) you get to spend a certain amount of action tokens to move and take actions with your models, once you've used them all play passes to the opposing player.

There's an element of overwatch in play too, in that you can't just run past opposing models in your turn without having to try and dodge their attempts to smack you down.

The designs on the field are the strike zones and goals.

- There are 3 on each side of the pitch, once you've moved into the strike zone (lit up hexes), you can attempt to throw the ball into the goal hex.

As soon as a point is scored, the teams are not reset, but a ball is immediately re-launched from the centre of the pitch and play continues instantaneously.

First team to gain a lead of 7 points wins, or if the game reaches 14 rushes for each side, then the leading side wins. If it's a tie, then play continues into "sudden death" mode where the first team to score a point wins.


Also, any requests for me to post a pirate copy of the .pdf on Dakka (or anywhere else) are going to be ignored.