Trying to gather some info on the UK Gamesday here. Sadly, PhilBrad is not attending this year, so one source less.
Major news:
- Digital products will not be Apple exclusive, other formats will follow.
- GW Plastic Blood Knights.
- GW Eldar Avatar new sculpt.
- FW Angron (~400 points) plus Abaddon vs Loken shown
- FW more Chaos Legion specific Marines and Contemptors
- IA12 on Necrons nearly done. All Xeno races will get a book eventually (well, only Dark Eldar missing).
- New BigFGun Landraider variant
- New Lightning flyer variant
- Warhammer Quest iPad App
- New IoM artbook (40k)
Art Is Resistance over at Warseer wrote:Well I'm in - design studio is next to GD which I've entered.
(On GW Eldar Avatar)The pose is dynamic, has a wailing doom in sword form, knees bent. Face is a lot more expressive.
Not as big as the FW version, but a little... Chunkier?
Of course it could be just a test piece?
Forgeworld Abaddon!
Legion specific Contemptor Dreads
Legion specific Marines!
Emperors children assault squad, auto cannon squad, command squad....
Same for death guard, sons of horus and world eaters.
Oh, and Loken....
Will post what pics I have later today.
Lightning two spotted
Lightning two is a new imperial variant - large turbine in place of the nose.
HH book is lovely - full army
Lists for 4 legions and there's also mechanicus units in there....
Best book FW have ever done.
Horus Heresy, will be probably be doing an Emperor model.
My sources tell me this is AT LEAST 3 years away. As is Horus. They're saving them 'for something big'.
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Rylanor wasn't on show, and I forgot to get pics of the other two - sorry. Needless to say, they're covered in iconography like the Ven. Chuck. Rylanor's load out has changed from the old ills - he's now got an assault cannon in the rules, rather than t.l hey bolters.
Seems that the legion specific squads will be sold like that to make it easier to purchase full squads.
No bloody EC transfers on show tho ;-(
Mournival and Phoenix Guard are done already and waiting to go.
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New Avatar at the back - is that a 'sorry for doubting you' from Eldargal I hear?
The New Chaos Sculpts
Mutiliators
Abaddon v Loken
Emperor's Children with Autocannon
Sons of Horus Assault Squad
Here's another one for you - the Lightning II:
Baraqiel over at Warseer wrote:So far all i have seen are plastic blood knights for VC.
75hastings69 wrote:Glad these have shown up, think I mentioned these about 12 months back
Eldargal wrote:Stolen from a Facebook page, new IoM artbook:
For Chaos Dwarfs (Tamurkhan book list):
Dan Comeau on Twitter wrote:K'daii Destroyer at Gamesday. A little bit different to what's expected
More pics posted by Da Crusha over at Warseer:
Neil Challis on Twitter wrote:New FW Landraider variant:
Greg Dann on Twitter wrote:Abaddon old school style :
He seems to be fighting Loken.
Angron seems to be around 400 points according to ACE01 over at BOLS.
ACE01 wrote:Not had much chance to look through it yet, but the Primarchs seem powerful but killable. If you're thinking the invincible beings described by the novels, this is not for you. Angron is akin to Mephison on roids, V.High WS and S, High T, W, I, A. Sv 3+4++
Play wise, it's designed 30k vs 30k, with the above force org (unless under 1500), and primarch/super heavy type units (Lords of Battle) above 2k only.
There are 6 Isstvaan III battle missions, using the 6e ruleset and adding a couple of conditions.
Designed for 1500-2500/3000 point games.
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Lots of old school weapon options in here, along with some new squad types to make use of them.
Anyone wondering about Cataphractii Armour - 2+4++ swapping relentless for S&P
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Cow - Horus, Angron, Fulgrim and Mortarion are IN.
PS. Horuswing anyone... One last one...
RanaldLoec over at Warseer wrote:From the forge world seminar
IA 12 is nearly done all the necrons good dream of is in there, confirmed that each xenos race will gets its own book. Looking to add to the existing range rather than cover non codex races.
Sorry squats.
Horus Heresy, will be probably be doing an Emperor model.
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Digital products will NOT be limited to apple products they where just the first.
Android and windows digital media products will follow.
A new Empire FAQ and errata is soon to be released its gone for translation.
Black fire pass art work shows a warhammer squiggoth with howdah.
Tim Walker on Twitter wrote:Abaddon and Loken!
Necron realm of battle board work in progress
Knightly order half brothers mock up
Taken from Twitter without stating the source:
Fraggle 0ver at Warseer wrote:Wow not as much as I expected has found its way back here!
I'll try to redress that somewhat - apologies if I cover stuff someone else has already but I have scan read the thread.
Ok Horus Heresy -
Next book - 'Massacre' - including Iron hands, Salamanders, Night Lords and Word Bearers. In the 2nd seminar Alan Bligh explained a lot about how the Primarch rules were put together - the basic outline for them all is done.
New Mechanicus being worked on - they have a torso done. Mourneival (spelling?) the sons of Horus termies are almost ready and look very cool.
Primarchs/Character boxes - Angron then Abbadon vs Loken, then Fulgrim, the probably Horus. Some will get more than one version.
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Don't expect much from the CSM codex - only two copies where there as far as I saw and it was no photos. They did have some of the rules blown up on posters as the backdrops but it was cultists, and legion troops.
Two new necron craft, one a bomber based on the flyer chassis and one a hovering wheel thing a bit like a cross between a beefed up command barge and General Grevious' ride in Star Wars.
Horus Heresy - They are trying to get to everything most people can dream of, but as with everything it takes time. SOunds like it may be Prospero and Calth in one book and the next book 'Massacre' is the first part of Isstavan V. There will be a concluding part with the other chapters
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Timescale - the hope is the next one will be ready for this time next year at the latest but they have things to finish off first. They are aiming at a release every 6 months ideally (judging from informal chats).
Sorry - Mechanicus - first torso is for a heavy armourered troop, but the name escapes me. Its basically a power armoured robot with a spine and brain inserted. Model will be about Ogryn size.
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I asked Jez Goodwin about Eldar - he is thinking about them (described as always doing that!) - releases will 'fix obvious holes in the range'. They will look to release an Apoc size kit, but in general everyone was quite coy on the timescales.
IA 1 second edition will be like a summary book for Imperial Guard (all rules for current kits in one book). IA12 will be necrons (with a dynasty specific list), DKOK (with a '6th friendly' list) and Minotaurs.
HH - Legion specific contemptors - Death Guard and World Eaters appear to be finished.
Praetorians?
No, let me think. I hadn't heard of them before. They support legion troops in some instances. FW seem to hope to cover a lot of Mechanicum (Dark and Loyal) and are enthusiatic about different types of Skitaari, Knights etc.
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The new necron pylon is an anti-aircraft platform. - it seems there is more to come necron-wise to go with the book.
Seems that DE will be the focus of the next IA book.
Lorenzen over at B&C wrote:next primarch should be fulgrim, mark bedford will be modelling death shroud, next book is 1st half of istvaan 5 and includes night lords, word bearers, iron hands & salamanders.
simon egan wants to do mortarion."
Very interesting indeed, that demolishes the whole Calth book (with Ultramarines and Word Bearers being featured) idea. Great to know the Deathshroud are being scultped though, hopefully that means the bodyguards of other Legions will be done in the future.
Pushkin over at Warseer wrote:There was loads of new stuff but I didn't take any photos!
Heresy models:
Legion Cerebus heavy destroyer
WE & DG legion contemptors
WE with volkite chargers
We with heavy bolters
Ecs with autocannons - I presume this will be new heavy weapon kit
Abbadon duelling loken
Lightening 2 aircraft
SoH justaerin terminators
WF - Wip of bull centaurs, mourngul and another creature which I can't
Remember from monstrous arcanum
For IA 12
Necron flyer
Necron sentry pylon
Necron flying chariot thing
Another necron work in progress
Necron terrain board but I don't know if this will be for sale
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They are not legion cybernetics they are part of the mechanicum called
Mechanicum Thallax cohort. They are
Part of the mechanicum list in the book that loyalists can take as allies. But the list
Is very small,
1hq, Thallax as troops, then aircraft and titans as FA and heavy support.
However there going to more mechanicum as part of the heresy!
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From what I heard both this games Day and last gamesday lots of things are in progress, so whilst the next IA is Definately Necrons - there was a Big poster and necron work in progress on display, the next Couple of books after that are all change.
I think this next one is Necrons v minotours and DKK, don't know if DE is Defo next, the other thong that was talked about was tzeentxh cult raiding a prison asteroid.
What would a Volkite Charger be?
A volkite charger is a heresy era special weapon. Short range assault
Weapon with reasonable strength but low Ap.
Also had world eaters with plasma blasters which are like plasma guns but slightly better!
Crayg over at Warseer wrote:While I was flicking through Jes Goodwin's Dark Eldar sketch book I saw concept art for the Void Raven bomber. "Oops, I should probably have taken that out" he said with a wink.
No pictures were allowed, but it's larger than the raven wing, with an elongated nose. The nose looked like it had a pattern cut out of it, but when I asked Jes he said it was a canopy and the way he imagined it was the pilot would be in the nose section leaning forward like the reaver jetbike models. He wouldn't give anything away on whether a model was due or if such a model would even resemble this sketch.
When I returned in the afternoon to show a friend the sketch had been removed and replaced with a Web Way Gate sketch. I saw the sketch was dated 2006 and asked Jes how far in advance he knew about 6th edition and if this was intended to work as a fortification. He was, again, very tight lipped and only said that anything not already produced was just waiting for a big green GO button.
t-tauri's massive report on the FW seminar with loads of pics:
Spoiler:
t-tauri wrote:Forgeworld seminar.
New Imperial Armour One, second edition. All the FW Guard rules in one. Updated to 6th and without the Navy. Almost ready to go. Proofs on the FW table.
Imperial Armour 12. Necrons., Minotaurs, DKK. Mostly Necron stuff shown. Few more pictures of these from the Forgeworld stand to follow.
Betrayal. Absolutely loads of variants for all the chapters. Some beautiful Heresy era armies on display. The only question is what army to go for. Great homage to the Comms marine from Rogue Trader.
Torso of a mechanicum Thallax (on the right in the picture). Apparently an Ogryn sized power armour with only the central nervous system and a few internal organs running the armour. Think mini dreadnought. It looks as if Mechanicum units will be drip fed out over the heresy series and allow the fielding of Mechanicum allies by certain Legions. Think Thousand Sons in the HH novels.
Abaddon and Loken. A few more shots of Abbie from the FW stand to come. The Loken is a "stunt double" and not any sort of Loken sculpt. Plans to do a number of these characters both from the Heresy books and FW's own characters. Some of the army lists looks a little one-sided if you only allow BL characters so there will be sculpts of the FW guys as well. As Alan Bligh put it it's a bit unfair if the Luna Wolves have five characters to pick from and their opponents have none.
Justaerin termies. Sold armless. Use cataphractai arms and have their own specific weapons pack-with things like the multimelta and the axe. This seems to be a pattern for a lot of the releases.
Tony Cottrell suggested that some of the less martial characters might get their own sculpts as GD Event figures (Malcador was mentioned). All the primarchs will get done sooner or later, some in multiple versions as they change. I have the inkling that Ferrus Mannus might show up with the next volume as he will come with a magnet to attach his head (it was suggested..).
Horus Heresy Book 2-Massacre
Isstvan 5.
Four Legions-Iron Hands, Night Lords, Salamanders and Word Bearers IIRC.
More mechanicum units,
Question and answers. Took about a year to prep for the Heresy book and miniatures.
BFG and Epic support isn't planned by Forgeworld in the near future.
No new GW stuff at all. Only the known CSM on display. None for sale. Has to be said the CSM look better in the flesh than with the red background of the Dwarf photos. The Warpsmith is fantastic.
Night Lords in the second book pleases me immensely
That's if if I remember correctly. Tony Cottrell was fighting a deathmatch with his remote control and kept going backwards and forwards and I was trying to get a photo of each slide. I'm certain of the other three- I'm willing to be corrected on Night Lords.
Not sure of release order but Imperial Armour 1, Imperial Armour 12 and Black Fire Pass would all seem to be further along. Most of the planning for the HH was done as they roughed out the first book though. Judging by the number they sold this will be incredibly popular and the bean counters might have some input..
Brother Garrod wrote:heres part 1 of a ( very brief) rundown of the full crusade list
legion praetor ( equivilant of chapter master , can take rites of war which change how army functions , armoured spearhead , orbital assault, angels wrath or pride of the legion )
legion centurion ( a catch all hq choice , 50 pts basic , but can be upgraded to one of NINE different specialisations . chaplain , master of signals , legion champion , vigilator , librarian , forge lord , primus medicae , siege breaker or moritat )
legion command squad ( pretty much same , 3 man strong with able to add 2 more)
veteran tactical squad ( ten strong only , can add one of a list: fearless , sniper , furious charge, outflank or tank hunters )
legion destroyer squad (uses proscribed weapons , Rad missiles , phosphex bombs )
legion terminator squad ( can count as scoring units)
techmarine covenant (1-3 techmarines as a single elite choice, each can have 4 servitors with them )
apothecarion detatchment ( 1-3 apothecaries ,each MUST be attatched to a squad)
legion dreadnought talon (1-3 dreads )
contemptor dreadnought talon (1-3 contemptors )
legion rapier battery ( 1-3 rapier destroyers , can be upgraded to thudd gun or graviton cannon)
legion tactical squad ( 10-20 marines , fury of the legion special rule )
legion assault squad ( yes , troops choice lol , 10-20 marines , 1 in every 5 marines can take power wep orhand flamer / plasma pistol )
legion siege breaker squad ( 10-20 marines , boarding shields , 1 in every 5 can take a special wep , graviton gun , lascutter etc, all have void hardened armour )
legion tactical support squad (5-10 marines , all marines except sergeant , yes all 9, have flamers , can be upgraded a different special wep. squad cant be used to fill compulsory troops choices )
legion recon squad ( 5-10 marines in power armour , scout , outflank and acute senses , may have sniper rifles . can remove power armour for scout armour and gain move through cover and infiltrate )
rhino ( as before but can take pintle mounted h. bolter , h. flamer or havoc launcher )
drop pod ( unchanged )
thats hq , elites and troops , ill do fast attack , heavy support and ' gods of war , in a bit
RanaldLoec@Warseer wrote:
From the forge world seminar
IA 12 is nearly done all the necrons good dream of is in there, confirmed that each xenos race will gets its own book. Looking to add to the existing range rather than cover non codex races.
Sorry squats.
Horus Heresy, will be probably be doing an Emperor model.
Abbadon looks great from what I can see of him. A new art book could be nice as well. I loved collected visions so hopefully this compares somewhat to that.
That's a WHQ iPad game. Hopefully Kroothawk will fix the title to stop crushing people's hopes soon.
What are you fellers talking about wallet pressure is now up to 11, if that's the closest to Warhammer Quest we will get I'll have to get a fething iPad!
Looks like the Mrs is getting an iPad for christmas then; she can get me the HH and IA Books!
That artbook isn't exactly new, it has been announced months ago and will go on official sale this November, it is a follow-up to the Emperor's Will artbook done last year.
New Necron stuff... 'Night Shroud' based off Scythe chassis, but seeming to have some kind of bulk on the edges. 'Sentry' Pylon, and something else in the back I can't make up.
Lightning II fighter much more in-line with new aesthetic for imp flyers
MAGUS! WOW!
But honetsly, I hope all that stuff on the right is just test sculpts.. the Magus isn't that great, and that Avatar looks horrible compared to the FW one... it just looks like a lumpy and out of proportion re-pose of the original to me.. .
Seizes like a Necron Lord, hits like a Demolisher Cannon, saves like a TH/SS Term, can decide to use his claw/mace like a Logan, is as tough as a Tyranid MC and seemingly Will Not Die.
Next book - 'Massacre' - including Iron hands, Salamanders, Night Lords and Word Bearers. In the 2nd seminar Alan Bligh explained a lot about how the Primarch rules were put together - the basic outline for them all is done.
New Mechanicus being worked on - they have a torso done. Mourneival (spelling?) the sons of Horus termies are almost ready and look very cool.
Primarchs/Character boxes - Angron then Abbadon vs Loken, then Fulgrim, the probably Horus. Some will get more than one version.
Lorenzen @ B&C wrote:
"next primarch should be fulgrim, mark bedford will be modelling death shroud, next book is 1st half of istvaan 5 and includes night lords, word bearers, iron hands & salamanders.
simon egan wants to do mortarion."
Automatically Appended Next Post: Annnd some more info spotted:
"Mechanicus - first torso is for a heavy armourered troop, but the name escapes me. Its basically a power armoured robot with a spine and brain inserted. Model will be about Ogryn size."
Looks like the Legio Cybernetica is in! Niiiceee!
And even more courtesy of fraggle @ warseer:
I asked Jez Goodwin about Eldar - he is thinking about them (described as always doing that!) - releases will 'fix obvious holes in the range'. They will look to release an Apoc size kit, but in general everyone was quite coy on the timescales.
IA 1 second edition will be like a summary book for Imperial Guard (all rules for current kits in one book). IA12 will be necrons (with a dynasty specific list), DKOK (with a '6th friendly' list) and Minotaurs.
HH - Legion specific contemptors - Death Guard and World Eaters appear to be finished.
MajorTom11 wrote: New Necron stuff... 'Night Shroud' based off Scythe chassis, but seeming to have some kind of bulk on the edges. 'Sentry' Pylon, and something else in the back I can't make up.
It looks like a Death Star with rings...
Oh lord, the Necrons have gone Palpatine!
I like what I can see in the shot for the Night Shroud. Sentry Pylon isn't that different from the current one, maybe it's smaller?
Lightning II fighter much more in-line with new aesthetic for imp flyers
...Crap.
I'm going to have to buy that.
MAGUS! WOW!
But honestly, I hope all that stuff on the right is just test sculpts.. the Magus isn't that great, and that Avatar looks horrible compared to the FW one... it just looks like a lumpy and out of proportion re-pose of the original to me.. .
I hope that Imperial Guardsman to the right of the Magus isn't a test sculpt. It's a Cadian on the vox, yelling at someone like he's calling in artillery.
Next book - 'Massacre' - including Iron hands, Salamanders, Night Lords and Word Bearers.
Lorenzen @ B&C wrote:
"next primarch should be fulgrim, mark bedford will be modelling death shroud, next book is 1st half of istvaan 5 and includes night lords, word bearers, iron hands & salamanders.
So 4 Legions per Book...
Six of the traitors at Istvaan will be covered in the first 2, the second half may be Raven Guard and the AL , IW and TS ? Or just 3 Legions?
The Salamanders and Iron Hands as first batch of Loyalists...and a chance to have the Raven Guard in the second book..
Hmm, Forgeworld could end up with more of my cash than GW in a year or so. Okay yeah, it ends up going to the same place in the end, but some of that Heresy info sounds amazing.
Oh and all I can hope with the Warhammer Quest app, is it proves that popular to make GW consider a re-release of the actual game.
I also agree, the Deathwing banner fella is excellent. Also love the rescaled Blood Axe nob from years past, awesome, but possibly test pieces as has already been suggested. I hope not, but it looks an odd assemble of figs and some are clearly better than others.
About the fact that digital products will not be Apple exclusive anymore: are we are going to get a release date or something like prices and so on?
My Android is patiently waiting
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Hmm, Forgeworld could end up with more of my cash than GW in a year or so. Okay yeah, it ends up going to the same place in the end, but some of that Heresy info sounds amazing.
That's already happened with me. I spend all GW bound cash on FW goodies these days. From a GD point of view, Forgeworld previews and releases seemed to have eclipsed anything from the main studio. In fact, the only reason I'd have to go to a GD would be to see the FW stuff...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and Necron RoB tile spotted:
Have heard that the GD figure was limited to (I believe) one per ticket, but there were a lot of the figures unsold. Also, the one my friend picked up for himself turned out to be a miscast...
Nvs wrote: The avatar looks like he's constipated.
agreed 100% when I heard new avatar sculpt I paniced and figured it would be sexy since I just bought the FW avatar...then I saw the new sculpt and wasn't worried anymore since no bloody handed god of mine will ever take the battle field pooping out the alter of khaine
Once again, since it got ignored(like it does every Games Day)...
Those greens are test sculpts. That does not mean that they are "testing for sale".
It means they are skill tests for new sculptors who are entering the company. It's why there's such a range of things, from a Disco Marine to a Genestealer Magus to the two Steel Legion Guardsmen.
Best I've seen in a long long time (especially compared GW one's that just seem crowded with miniatures for the sake of crowding them with lots of pricy toys).
Kanluwen wrote: Once again, since it got ignored(like it does every Games Day)...
Those greens are test sculpts. That does not mean that they are "testing for sale".
It means they are skill tests for new sculptors who are entering the company. It's why there's such a range of things, from a Disco Marine to a Genestealer Magus to the two Steel Legion Guardsmen.
And people wonder why GW is averse to showing anything going on behind the scenes. One of two things happen with showing test sculpts; people freak out and bitch about quality, as is the case in this thread. Alternatively, they show some sculpts and people bitch that they never release the models, as was the case with some Dark Eldar test sculpts, that no exaggeration popped up repeatedly for like 7 years, with people thinking they were new models every time.
Regarding the HH models, they look amazing, and I'm no doubt at least buying the Mortarian sculpt. The sad thing is I have FW Death Guard models with Mk III FW legs and arms , which are very fitting for post-Heresy Death Guard, but even with an army essentially ready to go, I can't yet bring myself to buy a $115 book.
silent25 wrote: Bad news on the plastic Blood Dragon Knight kit. Was someone seeing the rider for the zombie dragon and thought it was part of a new kit. Boo!
Not really bad news. Hastings is pretty reliable, and if he says there's going to be plastic Blood Dragon Knights, there's going to be plastic Blood Dragon Knights.
Not really bad news. Hastings is pretty reliable, and if he says there's going to be plastic Blood Dragon Knights, there's going to be plastic Blood Dragon Knights.
The World eaters diorama was awesome, I really enjoyed the FW seminar and Alan Bligh said that they were working on imperial robots for several imperial armies that use them and i was also thrilled to hear that they are experimenting with many different kinds of mechanicus troops and skitarii.
There were also a Justerian squad terminators on display at the FW stand to be released in the not too distant future too, im so looking forward to them, they were like the new terminators but with more details.
Good days for FW await !
Flashman wrote: So pics of everything except plastic Blood Knights?! Come on people!
They are one of the few things i dont remember seeing on display.
Dysartes wrote: Have heard that the GD figure was limited to (I believe) one per ticket, but there were a lot of the figures unsold. Also, the one my friend picked up for himself turned out to be a miscast...
There were boxes and boxes of them, you could take as many as you wanted.
Kanluwen wrote: Once again, since it got ignored(like it does every Games Day)...
Those greens are test sculpts. That does not mean that they are "testing for sale".
It means they are skill tests for new sculptors who are entering the company. It's why there's such a range of things, from a Disco Marine to a Genestealer Magus to the two Steel Legion Guardsmen.
You were right that they are test scuplts but when i spoke to the team they told me that they are test sculpts and we may see them or some form of them released at a later date.
Dysartes wrote: Have heard that the GD figure was limited to (I believe) one per ticket, but there were a lot of the figures unsold. Also, the one my friend picked up for himself turned out to be a miscast...
There were boxes and boxes of them, you could take as many as you wanted.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rayvon, but I really hope you're wrong about this - else I'm going to have to have some severe words with my "friend"...
Much better organisation that last year, and certainly a damn site more to see and talk about.
Some great tab;es and games being ran as well, special kudos to the massive skaven fortress table, all of them at least good, most of them great.
Chaos codex was there for some readin' and discussing.
Bit sad to see that basic chaos marines have indeed lost their ccw -- leaving them armed "only" with a bolt gun and bolt pistol -- least they can buy it though. IIRC a basic chaos marine with extra ccw and the LD/hatred upgrade runs to 18 points. Chaos codex certainly looks very nice indeed, the amount of design work that has gone into the book really is quite remarkable.
HH book is indeed a thing of lovliness and was still on sale at least until the early afternoon, Angron model I was told sold out in within first 2 hours.... all 1500 or so of them.... at £50 a pop.... ker-ching !
Primacrh stats all seem pretty cool/good to me, only flicked though a few sections, lots to read and ponder upon. Are indeed a few Mechanicum units included -- Magos Reductor, Thakkax Cohort and LR.
Necron stuff for the next IA looks good, as does the earlier pictured realm of battle board. IF these replacement ones sell/are received well then they'd like to try and do at least one Xenos themed board for each IA book.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rayvon, but I really hope you're wrong about this - else I'm going to have to have some severe words with my "friend"...
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
Kanluwen wrote: Once again, since it got ignored(like it does every Games Day)...
Those greens are test sculpts. That does not mean that they are "testing for sale".
It means they are skill tests for new sculptors who are entering the company. It's why there's such a range of things, from a Disco Marine to a Genestealer Magus to the two Steel Legion Guardsmen.
You were right that they are test scuplts but when i spoke to the team they told me that they are test sculpts and we may see them or some form of them released at a later date.
I will pray to whatever gods choose to listen that that Grey Seer gets released.
Though I won't cry if it doesn't, as I find myself not really needing a 3rd to begin with.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rayvon, but I really hope you're wrong about this - else I'm going to have to have some severe words with my "friend"...
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
Brometheus wrote: I know some people have seen the CSM codex. Any news on the Thousand Sons' front?
Thousan Sons are Elite units with Arihman making them troop, they still have Inferno Bolts and slow and purposeful. Ahriman is mastery level 4, new Tzeentch physic powers, with Bolt of Change becoming a Melta, Beam. Sorry it's all I got to read on thousands sons
As a side not Daemon princes are WS9 I8 but you have to purchase 3+ save. A Nurgle Winged Daemon prince is about 200+ points.
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
Taking them, as in, for free? Cause, the models on ebay are going for at least 30 bucks before shipping. Jesus christ, I can feel my heart shrivelling up, just kill me now.
Kanluwen wrote: Once again, since it got ignored(like it does every Games Day)...
Those greens are test sculpts. That does not mean that they are "testing for sale".
It means they are skill tests for new sculptors who are entering the company. It's why there's such a range of things, from a Disco Marine to a Genestealer Magus to the two Steel Legion Guardsmen.
You were right that they are test scuplts but when i spoke to the team they told me that they are test sculpts and we may see them or some form of them released at a later date.
I will pray to whatever gods choose to listen that that Grey Seer gets released.
Though I won't cry if it doesn't, as I find myself not really needing a 3rd to begin with.
Same here with the Cadian standing on the dead Gaunt calling in fire support.
Although...some of them might end up being released like the Bear Drummer mascot for Empire.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rayvon, but I really hope you're wrong about this - else I'm going to have to have some severe words with my "friend"...
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
Don't take this the wrong way, Rayvon, but I really hope you're wrong about this - else I'm going to have to have some severe words with my "friend"...
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
There were definitely loads of them. I left at about 3.30 pm, half an hour before the official close. There were scores of "yellow-shirts" with vendor trays trying to get rid of them (the GW-one that is, not sure about the FW-event-only stuff).
I didn't buy any, but I doubt they would've stopped you from taking 10 - or 50 - from the look of it.
Taking them, as in, for free? Cause, the models on ebay are going for at least 30 bucks before shipping. Jesus christ, I can feel my heart shrivelling up, just kill me now.
Oh, that puts my mind at ease. I got the mental picture of the staffers just trying to get rid of the things by days end and handing 'em out to whoever wanted them instead of loading them back onto the truck.
Now I just have to find one on at a reasonable price, haha.
There didn't seem to be any restriction on the Games Day figure, apart from that he was made from Finecast (eugh) and cost TWELVE POUNDS. No one at the tills or on the stalls dishing them out in the sales area seemed to give a crap how many you took, but take-up didn't seem to be massive, mainly because he is overpriced and disappointing.
FW Skin-Wolves were 1 per customer though, but you did have the option to pay for more and have them delivered to your home at a later date at no extra charge if you desparately needed more wolves.
The FW Imperial Enforcer was beautiful but the crappy dog he came with was horrendous (didn't have a face, just a blob) so I resisted buying him seeing as I have no use for him. If the cyber-attack dog thing actually had a mouth and eyes I probably would have crumbled.
For any of you guys who are still undecided about the Horus Heresy FW book, it's unbelievably awesome, makes GW books like Apoc etc look like a kindergarten pamphlet. Also the rate they will be released (roughly one a year, probably around the Games Day mark) means you can plan in advance if you want to make the set. Horses for courses but for some of you the books will be worth more than the models.
I queued for hours to get my FW stuff, and was very happy when I did, and I met some lovely people in the queue, (couple from Oswestry, but they are Warseer-ites... no one's perfect huh?)
Angron sold out in less than 2 hours. So did the jetbike squadrons, although single bikes still available but not at the same price for 3.
Picked up my copy of Pariah by Dan Abnett, was going to wait for him to sign it for me but the queue was huge and growing and Dan wasn't even there so I'll catch him at the BL Weekender.
Rummaged through the GW sales area but found bugger all, really poor effort by them in terms of bringing stock that you can't normally buy in the shops, They had two racks of 40k blister packs and a couple of square tables with odds and ends on, but nothing much. No new Sternguard veterans weapon upgrade sprues, which would have sold like hotcakes. Poor show.
Had a look round the show and the gaming tables, some cool stuff, some not so cool, plenty of effort all round though... likewise with the costumes. Some awesome, some not so much. The guy who was supposed to be an Imperial Commissar but failed slightly and ended up looking more like a Steampunk Milkman was a particular favourite of ours!!
Had a really nice chat at the WD stand, have a warm comfy feeling for now, everything seems ok. As for new WD girl Beth, looked great with green hair and tight leggings, definitely seemed to enjoy walking around a lot and being a modern day geek pin-up, geeks and gamers were dribbling in her wake wherever she went. Dakka's Heraldic order of Chivalrous Noble Knights can get back down off their horses and go back indoors, that girl is perfectly capable of looking after herself!! I had a chat with her and she did think the whole forum buzz of boys getting excited about a female WD contributor was very funny though.
Went to the FW seminar in the afternoon, really entertaining and informative, best bit of the day by far. Was less impressed by the two monstrously fat people in front of me sharing three seats and blocking the view, but never mind.
A few points to clarify
Dark Eldar will get some FW book action BEFORE Vanilla Eldar get another look in. Now, that doesn't give you DE guys much I know, as they are very busy with Heresy era Power Armour and all the rest of it, and Fantasy O&Gs at the moment, but there you go.
The Loken vs Abaddon piece that will be released, the pictures shown here show Abaddon nearly complete, but Loken has not been started yet and the Marine shown is just a placekeeper in case anyone wasn't clear on that and was worried that Loken looked average and/or boring.
The next book is expected on or before the date of Games Day 2013. The next book will cover the first part of the Isstvan V massacre. The second part will be covered by the following book the following year, in the third book. The third book may move on from the massacre, which opens up the scope somewhat.
I asked the dreaded question in the afternoon seminar, (no, not the Squats one) about wether or not the Big E would be covered. After much gasping and pointing and cries of dismay at uttering the E word, they did confirm that when the books eventually get to Terra, then the EMPOROR WILL GET A MODEL. They also stressed that this will be a good few years away yet.
Alan Bligh stated that he does see ALL of the Primarchs getting models. Some of the more prominent characters WILL BE GETTING MORE THAN ONE MODEL as befits their storyline. Horus, Fulgrim and Abadabadoodon were all mentioned under models that will be covered more than once in the series. He also mentioned both Alpharius AND Omegon, but admitted that he wasn't sure how they would cross that particular bridge yet.
ALL PRIMARCHS HAVE RULES WRITTEN ALREADY. They did this at the outset to ensure everything would roll out smoothly in the future with no glaring gaps or mis-matches as later Primarchs are released. Obviously, no real details were revealed other than that the Primarchs don't all share a common statline. More details will come book by book.
The question was asked about information regarding the two un-disclosed Legions. No information was given, but the answer did not say "no information will EVER be given" so that door remains ajar for another day. They did say that whilst they have the entire Heresy era to cover, there would be no need to look into the other two legions.
Pre-Heresy stuff WILL NOT BE COVERED. No Megarachnids on murder. No Luna Wolves. They said they had to draw a line and start to move forward, so whilst the fluff in the FW books may hint at historical references provided by BL books, they will not be getting rules, models etc.
Books 2, 3 and onwards will feature a significant amount of Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum stuff, including rules, fluff and models for things we haven't heard of yet. THERE WILL BE ROBOTS. Plenty of action on Mars.
I will try and add more stuff as I remember it.
Overall, really enjoyed Games Day, but did get the feeling it was really ForgeWorld Day with a bit of GW Hobby Stores and the WD stand tacked on. GW themselves really did bugger all. Also, didn't get much more than a distant fleeting glimpse at Golden Demon, Armies on Parade etc. They really need to sort out a decent way to show this stuff, as it's billed as one of the main attractions but there's always a huge scrum of ankle biter height children than it would be socially unacceptable for me to kick and throw out of the way, so I can't get anywhere near. Also FW need to stock more stuff and have more outlets so we don't all have to tackle the Queue of Doom and miss half the day doing it. As a guide, I arrived at 10:25 and headed straight to the sales area queue. I didn't exit the sales area until almost 13:00... 90% of the time was queuing.
Those Dark Future blog pictures show two bits of pure awesome: 1. Heavy bolters with round drum mags 2. Some different chainaxe designs to the existing ones. Those plasma guns look pretty cool too, similar in aesthetic to the Puppetswar ones actually...
I had a pretty similar experience to Nuclear Mekanik, apart from the interesting bits.
Yes, the queuing issues to pay were sorted out from last year... they just shifted the queue to GET to the product instead, but I have to say that everyone was very good natured about it all. I did think that the main hall was very quiet when I first went in - that's because everyone had headed straight for the sales area. An hour and a half of queuing later, I finally reached the Forgeworld stand and asked for some Fimir an a Curs'd Ettin. "We don't have any." I was told.
Bugger.
I settled for an Event Skin Wolf (couldn't be fagged ordering the Fimir and the Ettin - they were supposed to be my impulsive treat to myself!), then had to wait for another 20 minutes to pay at the SLOWEST tillpoint in the universe. I was grinding my teeth at that point, and when one of the guys in front of me paid by vouchers, that added MORE time... and then the next guy had about a BILLION items. I'm actually pretty impressed with myself that I didn't just deck him and steal his place.
The rest I thought was pretty average, Nothing too special that I hadn't seen before. I didn't really see much of the Golden Demon entries as it was a constant fight to get anywhere near them.
MandalorynOranj wrote: Anyone hear anything on when Thousand Sons would be covered for the Heresy? Really hoping they're all psykers when they do.
Also any word on the Custodes?
Custodes confirmed by the FW team as definitely IN... but possibly not until we get to Terra, which could be years off. So, yes, but not yet.
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finnan wrote: I had a pretty similar experience to Nuclear Mekanik, apart from the interesting bits...
An hour and a half of queuing later, I finally reached the Forgeworld stand and asked for some Fimir an a Curs'd Ettin. "We don't have any." I was told.
Bugger.
I settled for an Event Skin Wolf (couldn't be fagged ordering the Fimir and the Ettin - they were supposed to be my impulsive treat to myself!),
THIS!!
"Oh, sorry, we don't have those, but you can order them and we won't charge you postage"
NO. Just no ForgeWorld, and the rest of you... I tell you to shut up and take my money, you give me shiny things.
If you DON'T HAVE the shiny things, you can't take my money anyway, that's not how it works. All I seemed to hear all day was people wanting to take my money in exchange for a promise. That's not how impulse excitement buying works. If you can't press some plastic/resin/paper crack into my sweaty palms then and there, then the rational part of my brain is going to win and I'm not going to pay up.
People make the effort to drag themselves to Birmingham from the length and breadth of this country, and from plenty of others... the least you could do is bring a few lorry loads of stuff down the road for them to buy, you do want their money after all, that's the whole point!
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Someone asked if we were likely to get Forgeworld doing BloodBowl teams and other Specialist Games support...
the response was "we can either do a series of Primarch models and rulebooks to support them, OR a series of BloodBowl teams, but we don't have time to do both. Shall we vote?"
Ruglud wrote: Anyone see who / what won the Golden Demon? Did Winterdyne's Warhound Titan get a trophy?
I saw it being photographed. But didn't hang around to see who won what. it was in the finalist cabinet though.
Turns out he got the Silver - congrats to winterdyne!
winterdyne wrote:
Silver in diorama. Gold was the zombie dragon just in shot to the left, which also took the sword. Apparently it was a very close call. I'm rather pleased with myself at the moment. :-)
Books 2, 3 and onwards will feature a significant amount of Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum stuff, including rules, fluff and models for things we haven't heard of yet. THERE WILL BE ROBOTS. Plenty of action on Mars.
Someone asked if we were likely to get Forgeworld doing BloodBowl teams and other Specialist Games support...
the response was "we can either do a series of Primarch models and rulebooks to support them, OR a series of BloodBowl teams, but we don't have time to do both. Shall we vote?"
Books 2, 3 and onwards will feature a significant amount of Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum stuff, including rules, fluff and models for things we haven't heard of yet. THERE WILL BE ROBOTS. Plenty of action on Mars.
*cries [manly] tears of joy*
Quite a lot of grown men in the room all suddenly got things in their eye at the same time at this point.
From the Forgeworld seminar. Black Fire Pass. Orcs and Gobbos, Dwarfs, Empire, assorted Monsters.
Those worried that the Horus Heresy cash cow is going to put pressure on Forge production should feel happy that they've recruited more designers though they could still do with more writers and designers. Tony Cottrell seemed to suggest the next book would be undead, either Vampire Counts or Tomb Kings. Suggestion only not definite. Not much else for Warhammer.
The only "new releases" were the Chaos Space Marines and the White Dwarf. These were being pushed. No hints of anything upcoming from main GW. The licensees, Black Library and Forgeworld were the only ones with anything new. Or, more simply, main GW had nothing new, everyone else did....
75hastings69 wrote:Can't wait for blackfire pass and the FW minis to go with it. Can't say I'm surprised that GW didn't show anything new/upcoming, GD really would be rubbish if it weren't for FW.
Roscopackman wrote:Cottrell also suggested in the FW seminar that fantasy counterparts to the 40k Realm of Battle sections might be released around the same time as 'Black Fire Pass'.
RanaldLoec wrote:The night goblin shame is connected to the black fire pass book, its more rampent waagh energy streaming out his mouth and lifting him up.
The mournghoul is half an enlarged corpse upper torso large open disjointed mouth screaming one thin spindley arm on an imperial out riders horse with its guts half ripped open reapter gun still on the saddle but no rider.
It looked lovely.
Also Cruddence said I should be very excited about the next couple of months.
I mentioned I was an Empire and WoC player. We know its coming but he was giddy as a kid.
On a foot note the Perry twins where wearing hobbit ears, lol really great guys just a fantastic day.
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I didn't get to speak with Kelly, is it Troke? One of tvihe model designers got talking to my long suffering mate who plays Bretonnian talking about center piece models and army themes.
He stopped the conversation and asked "actually what do you think we could do with bretonnia", once my mate got over his nerdgasam about being asked his opinion on new models he got onto grail pilgrims and religious reliqurys!?
He was fairly open that ideas for bretonnia are lacking.
To be fair games day is a celebration of the HOBBY which is so much more than what's new. The fact that golden demon and armies on parade take up most of the main hall. It's also a chance to get insights such as I spoke "andy" the chief guy with the faq & errata team.
He admitted that they do wade through the forums looking for rules issues. Although he did state that some times its just beyond comprehension how some rules debates get a little too over analytical. He even mentioned a Warseerite by name I just laughed.
Once you have been in this hobby over 20 year (yikes 2/3's of my life) wfb & 40k is your bread and butter. Warhammer Forge and Forgeworld are like "insert personal fantasy here" covered in chocolate, whipped cream, cherries holding a pint of Stella artois.
Who could say no?
Sorry back on topic.
WoC, Cruddance very tight lipped on the matter, one studio member was very excited about the big stuff that's all I got. I did get chance to read through the new CSM codex but other than there wasn't any indications of anything other than what Harry or Hastings haven't already told us about.
As a heads up, there is more content coming today and later this week:
- unpacking Angron (vid)
- unpacking some of the new items. (vid)
- Forgeworld Adventure video (me in a 3 hour line )
- Review Horus Heresy Book
- Review Unreleased Artwork book "Might of the Emperor"
- and probably more
Also, I will give away a signed copy of ANGRON - yes that's right, the 50 GBP primarch from Forge World! Rules will be up later today.
Please note this link is different from the last one You don't wanna miss out on the first link.
There is more to come later - I am working as fast as I can
@ Zaphod again , thanks for posting the pics ... i see my stonehorn is there in the monsters finalist page.. was stunned to be a finalist , my first ever games day and GD entry...
Someone asked if we were likely to get Forgeworld doing BloodBowl teams and other Specialist Games support...
the response was "we can either do a series of Primarch models and rulebooks to support them, OR a series of BloodBowl teams, but we don't have time to do both. Shall we vote?"
*Votes for the one that's not more Space Marines*
Glad I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for the Heresy stuff, and it is going to make them a ton of money, and hopefully finance some cool new tings aside from marines. But when I hear FW contemplating Specialist games, I would spend so much more than I would ever consider spending of Heresy stuff. I would buy every Necromunda gang and Bloodbowl release they put out. In fact, I would probably get so involved in that, I wouldn't bother with actual GW releases at all.
Would anyone happen to know if the "Warriors of the Imperium" art book is a compilation of old art work, or is it all new stuff? And is it all marines, or will it detail guard, thunder warriors and custodes instead/as well?
Dont understand why people are moaning about the price of angron at £50 he's still cheaper than a tactical sqd! and you only need one of him. ..i think my pre heresy army is going to be 1000pt just made up of the 4 primarchs due lol
Glad I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for the Heresy stuff, and it is going to make them a ton of money, and hopefully finance some cool new tings aside from marines. But when I hear FW contemplating Specialist games, I would spend so much more than I would ever consider spending of Heresy stuff. I would buy every Necromunda gang and Bloodbowl release they put out. In fact, I would probably get so involved in that, I wouldn't bother with actual GW releases at all.
Well, perhaps, once they've released all 9 Primarchs for each side, they'll bring out a Heresy Bowl board.
Glad I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled for the Heresy stuff, and it is going to make them a ton of money, and hopefully finance some cool new tings aside from marines. But when I hear FW contemplating Specialist games, I would spend so much more than I would ever consider spending of Heresy stuff. I would buy every Necromunda gang and Bloodbowl release they put out. In fact, I would probably get so involved in that, I wouldn't bother with actual GW releases at all.
Well, perhaps, once they've released all 9 Primarchs for each side, they'll bring out a Heresy Bowl board.
CURNOW wrote: Dont understand why people are moaning about the price of angron at £50 he's still cheaper than a tactical sqd! and you only need one of him. ..i think my pre heresy army is going to be 1000pt just made up of the 4 primarchs due lol
Cheaper than a tactical squad made up of Forgeworld models you mean?
I dunno, that Angron kind of transcends a tabletop piece when I get to thinking about how much it costs. 50UK, not that much for him really. It's a really nice piece that a person could spend a lot of time on to doll up.
Would like to see Lion and Russ now.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and it makes me very sad not having seen any cool eldar stuff in test phase or painted.
I enjoyed GDUK this year but it did suffer from the fact that there was feck all new other than the HH stuff. I didn't see anything special for WHFB other than a few Warhammer Forge items. There was a bit of the new Chaos but that was pretty much Phil Kelly. I think GW missed a trick by holding off on pre release Chaos stuff. They hollered about new WD and the new 40K chaos stuff but when it wasn't there it was disappointing.
There were two gaping voids for me. One was the Hobbit, ok we all know about the NDAs but they had loads of sculptors there with nothing to show. The other huge no show was 6th edition 40k. There was nothing saying this is new and sexy and we are devoted to it. As I said Phil Kelly was on his lonesome chatting away all day but that was it. In contrast the FW area was rammed. Lots of product, lots of new releases, lots of happy customers. They had people having to yell at entrants not to run when heading to the FW sales area. Nobody was running to the GW area. they did fix the FW queue though and that was great. For all the bitching about the price of Angron he was to my knowledge the only thing that sold out. They tried really hard to sell the Blood Angel GD mini but most folks didn't seem interested. Ive heard of some folks saying FW didn't have what they wanted but I thought everyone knew that if you really wanted something then it was best to order in advance, next time if you really want the impulse FW stuff got to Warhammer World.
Sadly Black Library seemed to be forgotten in a corner of the sales area. It wasn't very clearly signed and the author queues didn't seem that huge to me. I was also annoyed that they kept the Garro new release in the Black Library area which meant they could only sell them to people with cards. That was annoying because if I'd known I'd have bought the Khan audio instead.
There was a good show from Fantasy Flight, although I think they should have had a few more demos of Relic. There was also three interesting computer games; Warhammer Quest and Talisman were the main draws but the Blood Bowl area was also pretty busy.
So yes GDUK was worth it for me but it was a huge opportunity missed by GW.
Bloodwin wrote: . I was also annoyed that they kept the Garro new release in the Black Library area which meant they could only sell them to people with cards. That was annoying because if I'd known I'd have bought the Khan audio instead..
That CD was intended to be in the usual retail area but the bar code wouldn't read on the tills/it wasn't on the system so that was the only way they could do it AFAIK.
Moopy wrote: Now I have to fight ebay for Angron. Arrrrgh.
If you're referring to the model, I've said it several times now...
Forge World has stated that The Primarchs are not limited editions and will be available for general sale soon.
They had 1500 at Games Day UK because that's how many they brought.
I hope there will be no idiots bitching, when FW releases Angron, that FW broke their word that it is a limited edition model. But who are we kidding. Gets some popcorn, just in case
Most of you know that Karol Rudyk, the winner of the Slayer Sword UK 2012, sold his sword on ebay for 600$.
Many of you do not know why yet. In short, Karol - a passionate sword collector - thought the sword was a cheap Chinese piece of "§$%. He asked me to write up an article on his feelings. I think its a good read (although now you kinda now the jist of the story. Spoiler Alert! )
