I was in a match, my orks vs Dark Eldar, versing someone i have never played before but heard a lot about from our flgs. First turn the guy is a jerk, he went first and moved all his raiders and ravengers to 30 inches away, since my lootas range is 36. I see that he measured and then turned his ship, so during my turn I fired with my lootas and he laughs and says he has nightshields, I told him that i know what they are and im still shooting at 29 inches. he throws a fit saying im cheating with my ruler. Then calls my lootas overpowered since i rolled a 6 on the d3, fired 15 shots into a raider, he gets pissy at me for doing that, killing off a 85 point model, while during his turn he kills off 150 points of killakans. I told him to make better judgment on premeasuring everything. Turn 3 my dakka jet comes in and he is screaming OP at me since he said dark eldar have do not have any good flyers. told him my 135 point flier is just fine, his 145 flyer with 2 dark lances, splinter cannon, and 4 missiles stock is plenty fine. not my fault he thinks it sucks and didnt want to get an ageis defense line, (he has the flier in his army box, just didnt bring it) Turn 5 he was beating me through questionable rolls, overly powerfull grotesques, and among other things, my friends are just watching and wondering why I am putting up with it, I dont know either really, just didnt think he would be that bad, cursing, yelling, throwing dice across the room, all in front of his 5 year old kid, he is 35. he beats me 6 to 4 kill points, and im just glad its over. never playing him again, anyone else have stories like this about TFG?

35 years old?!

Its dickless dweebs like that who give us all a bad reputation!

I would have quit turn 2.

I would be very upset if I explicitly measured and had models 30" away and next turn, a model which was not supposed to have moved in any way was somehow closer.

Not sure how he should have "made better judgement on pre-measuring" when measuring is an exact thing and not guestimates of ranges. If my Opponent measures 30" and says he is measuring 30" to be out of range for a piece of wargear and I agree he is outside 30" then my turn suddenly measure and am somehow in range, that is a dick move and sets a negative tone for the entire battle.

Being an ork with Deffrollas, people in 6th explicitly state "I am 13" away from your deffrolla, see the measurement, do you agree?" Now that pre-measure is in the game... it makes me a dick to say "maybe? maybe not? we will see when I measure if I am or not."

Cool story bro.

when he measured he was 30 away, then he twisted the base to provide cover for behind his units, so he moved the hull. that gave me what i needed. was really just a vent session after the match. so he screwed himself up, had nothing to do with him measuring "wrong" he twisted the hull after it so that moved the hull closer to me to give me 29 inch distance. was more looking at the poor sportsmenship and childish attitude of screaming and yelling, throwing stuff, not as much on that I was able to kill one raider with a group of lootas

nkelsch - If the guy cant measure and he is 35, there is a slight issue.
Just because a player says he is/has doing/done something, does not mean he has.

wow, I mean I coulda cut a kid some slack but if he HAS a kid there is no excuse....

some people.... GAWD!

Um, Yeah, This one Apoc game.
This guy first
1: Has more then half his army in reserve(not allowed)
2: Has SW in storm ravens(he didnt paint them that way though)
3: Is a jerk. Says he will complain to phill kelly about seachlights need to be changed for superheavys
and now the searchight fiasco.
Turn one, my attack bikes are going for some necron booty. He shoots a bane blade at them, fires his guns. then tries to fir the search light, the fire the other weapons. Now the new searchlights says after all weapons are fire only they can be fired. he doesn't like that. Now im not a rules lawyer or a TFG by nature, but if i come in contact with one, i can summon my inner TFG to counter him. I then brought my rule book out to show him, he didnt believe me and tried to tear MY 80$ hard back rule book from me nearly taking it. This is the second time he tried to rip my rule book, Before it was about how he wanted to use a blast template on a flyer with a model with skyfire. The rule book says no, and he nearly tried to rip my BRB from me

 Jackal wrote:
nkelsch - If the guy cant measure and he is 35, there is a slight issue.
Just because a player says he is/has doing/done something, does not mean he has.

Yeah, same can be said for the person who says he measured 29"and then went to the internet to tell a one-sided bitchfest.

40k is not Yu-gi-oh where you are waiting to unveil your trap card and I suspect the OPs recounting of things...

The thread is bunk. But I do have problems when people pre-measure openly then suddenly that which was just premeasured is now suddenly shorter or longer somehow...

So all by its self an object changes distance?

No, the chap in question shot himself in the foot by measuring (all fine at this point) and then proceeding to turn it to give cover.

If you have not noticed, a raider is alot longer than it is wide, so turning it on the spot after movement will reduce the distance.

 Jackal wrote:
So all by its self an object changes distance?

No, the chap in question shot himself in the foot by measuring (all fine at this point) and then proceeding to turn it to give cover.

If you have not noticed, a raider is alot longer than it is wide, so turning it on the spot after movement will reduce the distance.

So says Op...

Besides... if I knew he was intentionally making a move and intentionally confirming distance to use his wargear, when he moved to no longer be able to use, I would have said "you are no longer 30" you know that?"

That is good sportsmanship...

I don't believe 1-sided internet whines... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says.

Guys like that think they are the exception to acting civilized and others should/will put up with their lack of social skills and general dysfunction. I won't play them. I hold these types in the same category as cheaters. No exceptions.

If in an RTT(don't play GT) I will ask the individual to ground themselves and notify the TO of stray voltage. Thankfully, it's never had to get past this stage.

nkelsch wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
So all by its self an object changes distance?

No, the chap in question shot himself in the foot by measuring (all fine at this point) and then proceeding to turn it to give cover.

If you have not noticed, a raider is alot longer than it is wide, so turning it on the spot after movement will reduce the distance.

So says Op...

Besides... if I knew he was intentionally making a move and intentionally confirming distance to use his wargear, when he moved to no longer be able to use, I would have said "you are no longer 30" you know that?"

That is good sportsmanship...

I don't believe 1-sided internet whines... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says.

Have to disagree with you there. Some people are that childish. Some even more so. You ever watch the shows Cops or Jerry Springer?

nkelsch wrote:
... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says.

Plenty of people are like that, and many of them play 40k.

 snooggums wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says.

Plenty of people are like that, and many of them play 40k.

Agreed.

 Jackal wrote:
nkelsch - If the guy cant measure and he is 35, there is a slight issue.
Just because a player says he is/has doing/done something, does not mean he has.

Which is technically true, but way too often those magically changing distances are because of the other guy giving his model a little bump closer after you've measured. If I'd measured range and found it to be X and then next turn, without moving any of the models involved, it was Y I'd be pretty annoyed about it if my opponent tried to claim the more favorable distance.

conker249 wrote:
when he measured he was 30 away, then he twisted the base to provide cover for behind his units, so he moved the hull. that gave me what i needed. was really just a vent session after the match. so he screwed himself up, had nothing to do with him measuring "wrong" he twisted the hull after it so that moved the hull closer to me to give me 29 inch distance. was more looking at the poor sportsmenship and childish attitude of screaming and yelling, throwing stuff, not as much on that I was able to kill one raider with a group of lootas

Friend of mine did that the other day, had a rune priest leave one squad and join another, he measured 18"s to my attack bikes so he could cast a power then he relised his rune priest was at the front of the squad so moved him behind two of the marines leaving him outside of the 18" 's and then admitted he forgot he had measured. Simple mistake but all was taken in good spirit, the guy you played against sounds like TFG if he cant admit to his own mistake

Why dont I ever meet jerks like this over a game, that would be so much fun

 Pyriel- wrote:
Why dont I ever meet jerks like this over a game, that would be so much fun

agreed! I've never had anyone go crazy in the middle of a game

About 10-12 years ago, I was the employee at my FLGS that ran the RTTs. I always dreaded when one guy would show up. He would bring his kid (then about 10 years old) to play in the tournament as well and the kid was fine. But the dad would scream and rant and yell and throw dice if he wasn't getting his way. Heaven forbid if a questioned ruling didn't match what he wanted. So yeah, some people are that immature. I just hope his kid learned better than what the dad was teaching him.

Wow, feel bad for the kid. Those are the kinds of parents I keep reading about who get in fist fights at grammar school sporting events, I mean really.

Yes, there are PLENTY of turds out there so the OP's story rings true.

Age means nothing. A 35 year old can be as ridiculous as a teenager.. it's all about personality.

However, coming to Dakka to vent frustration is just as childish in my opinion and contributes nothing to the forum.

 Pyriel- wrote:
Why dont I ever meet jerks like this over a game, that would be so much fun

It happend to me in the past, but since my former gaming circle went and commited collective suicide, I no longer find myself troubeld by fools when I play 40k anymore. Its a very pleasent feeling to have a sane opponent

Not to mention the fact that Lootas have a 48" range :-P so being 30-36" away won't help him (even with night shields).

 CaptainJay wrote:
Not to mention the fact that Lootas have a 48" range :-P so being 30-36" away won't help him (even with night shields).

This statement is full of win.

That and they could just walk closer and fire anyway, albiet firing Snap Shots IIRC. When you normally only hit on 5+, hitting on 6+ isn't that bad.

Uhlan wrote:
Yes, there are PLENTY of turds out there so the OP's story rings true.

Age means nothing. A 35 year old can be as ridiculous as a teenager.. it's all about personality.

However, coming to Dakka to vent frustration is just as childish in my opinion and contributes nothing to the forum.

In what way is starting a conversation childish?

nkelsch wrote:
... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says

As the survivor of a hurled (metal) dread attack, I beg to differ!

Yeah.

Some gamers are ridiculously childish.

I've seen 'whoops...sorry' broken models and thrown land raiders.

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

I've seen fistfights over rules interpretation and weeping fits over the loss of a perfect w/l/d record..

Trust me, there are indeed folk like this out there..

Grown men who act as children, not limited to meatspace any longer...

Anywho, the best thing you can do is not let it burn you out. I've seen it happen quite a few times where someone got cheated or played a TFG and left the game. As long as you don't let that happen to you, you've already won.

That is just absolutely terrible!
At my FLGS I have walked around watching battles taking place in the past and have seen people acting like this.
I just dont understand the mentality of people like that, why play the game if you are just going to throw accusations and act like a right idiot to your opponent?
I think people must just take the game too seriously these days and become too competitive... because when I play, I play for the fun value alone win or lose.

 The Great Wolf wrote:
That is just absolutely terrible!
At my FLGS I have walked around watching battles taking place in the past and have seen people acting like this.
I just dont understand the mentality of people like that, why play the game if you are just going to throw accusations and act like a right idiot to your opponent?
I think people must just take the game too seriously these days and become too competitive... because when I play, I play for the fun value alone win or lose.

I think its because they don't take the game at face value, often delving or thinking too deep into a game. Where as a person like you and I would just remember its a game, meant for entertainment and shrug off unexpected outcomes, they see it as something that has consumed a lot of their time, or something that they must win and be good at, to boost ego, or to make up for unhappy happenings in their life.

Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

It's honestly this sort of behavior that's lead me to never play a game at Games Workshop. When you all play a hobby, and enjoy a hobby.. why the hate? There is so few of us out there (at least in my area) that there's no reason to drive the community apart.

And if you don't bring something to deal with a flier, and complain about it, thats your fault.

 Ascalam wrote:
Yeah.

Some gamers are ridiculously childish.

I've seen 'whoops...sorry' broken models and thrown land raiders.

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

That kind of stuff is really crossing a line. Pitch a fit, throw your own stuff if you really have the need, but destroying someone elses property...well I wouldnt look down on a person who handed out a whipping on those grounds.

I myself cannot start a physical altercation, I may only respond if attacked...I carry a firearm, licensed of course, and that requires a higher degree of self control than others can get away with.


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 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

 Mad4Minis wrote:


Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

Welcome to Europe. It's been like this for a while here...and it sucks.

conker249 wrote:
I was in a match, my orks vs Dark Eldar, versing someone i have never played before but heard a lot about from our flgs. First turn the guy is a jerk, he went first and moved all his raiders and ravengers to 30 inches away, since my lootas range is 36. I see that he measured and then turned his ship, so during my turn I fired with my lootas and he laughs and says he has nightshields, I told him that i know what they are and im still shooting at 29 inches. he throws a fit saying im cheating with my ruler. Then calls my lootas overpowered since i rolled a 6 on the d3, fired 15 shots into a raider, he gets pissy at me for doing that, killing off a 85 point model, while during his turn he kills off 150 points of killakans. I told him to make better judgment on premeasuring everything. Turn 3 my dakka jet comes in and he is screaming OP at me since he said dark eldar have do not have any good flyers. told him my 135 point flier is just fine, his 145 flyer with 2 dark lances, splinter cannon, and 4 missiles stock is plenty fine. not my fault he thinks it sucks and didnt want to get an ageis defense line, (he has the flier in his army box, just didnt bring it) Turn 5 he was beating me through questionable rolls, overly powerfull grotesques, and among other things, my friends are just watching and wondering why I am putting up with it, I dont know either really, just didnt think he would be that bad, cursing, yelling, throwing dice across the room, all in front of his 5 year old kid, he is 35. he beats me 6 to 4 kill points, and im just glad its over. never playing him again, anyone else have stories like this about TFG?

Sounds like a total tool.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:


Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

Welcome to Europe. It's been like this for a while here...and it sucks.

"Things aren't as good as they used to be!" Said every human in history that wasn't starving/ being stabbed/ dying of plague.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Yeah.

Some gamers are ridiculously childish.

I've seen 'whoops...sorry' broken models and thrown land raiders.

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

That kind of stuff is really crossing a line. Pitch a fit, throw your own stuff if you really have the need, but destroying someone elses property...well I wouldnt look down on a person who handed out a whipping on those grounds.

I myself cannot start a physical altercation, I may only respond if attacked...I carry a firearm, licensed of course, and that requires a higher degree of self control than others can get away with.


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 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

I remember dodge ball. That game rocked. I wasn't the strongest but I was awesome at that game.

On topic, I've never come across someone with really bad sportsmanship, the closest was probably me quitting turn 1 one game when I went from a 1750 army to about 750 if that, but it was just against my brother in my garage and we could just have a second game real quick after. He had suffered no damage turn 1, I had one platoon and a CCS left. It was all over, we both agreed. Its the earliest time I've ever seen a game end, and I've certainly never seen the whole throwing-a-model-smashing-shouting-etc deal.

Off topic, and the actual thing I wanted to post, but that dodgeball thing is odd, in Queensland in Australia teachers get told that 'using a red pen is too aggressive towards the students', yet we still played bastardized games of AFL in PE in which you didn't want to jump in the air lest you get wrecked by a shouldercharge while you aren't in contact with the ground. It was an odd line to draw in the sand, that pen colour can discourage learning, but bashing eachother is sweet.

 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Jeez, y'know,, I think people are over estimating how much that happens. Yes there PC times when i recieved an award for things i just did(like doing all my homework)
But the "Give everyone a trophy" is very much a myth. I think it is more parents showering praise for small things then any big "Everyone is a winner" mentality.

Im not gonna lie, I have chucked my own models back into the case, and tossed dice/thrown them in the trash mid game. As well as letting loose all kinds of awful words.

BUT, never at my opponents, and only during friendly games where my opponent knew I was not actually mad at them. Its ok to get angry about gakky dice rolling, or just botching a game. It's not alright to complain endlessly about your opponents army and try to make them miserable over it.

With that said, anymore when I run into these kind of players, thankfully rarely, I just tell them to man up and remind them its just a game. Thats really all it takes. Tell someone they are acting like a child, and 90% of the time they shut up and at worse go into passive aggressive mode.

Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

My mentor teacher and I went through the same thing with the red pen. He teaches a writing class that focuses on hammering the rules of grammar into students. Once they get grammar, they can focus on writing a clear, concise, and well written paper. His grading style was this: Mark every grammar or spelling error and mark it with a number. Once you hit 8 errors, draw a big line across the page and grade it 60% (5 points for every mistake) and hand it back to the student. The student then gets to rewrite the paper, fixing those grammar mistakes and looking for ones in the paper he had not caught yet (my mentor teacher stops reading the paper when he reaches 8 errors). Then once he can get through the entire paper without catching 8 errors, he grades it like a normal paper, looking at content, etc... Then averages that score with all the rewrites and that is how he grades the paper. He and I used red pen because it was eye catching, and would draw your attention to the mistakes so you could fix them. It was never meant to degrade the kids... I argued that with a professor too lol...

 Alfndrate wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

My mentor teacher and I went through the same thing with the red pen. He teaches a writing class that focuses on hammering the rules of grammar into students. Once they get grammar, they can focus on writing a clear, concise, and well written paper. His grading style was this: Mark every grammar or spelling error and mark it with a number. Once you hit 8 errors, draw a big line across the page and grade it 60% (5 points for every mistake) and hand it back to the student. The student then gets to rewrite the paper, fixing those grammar mistakes and looking for ones in the paper he had not caught yet (my mentor teacher stops reading the paper when he reaches 8 errors). Then once he can get through the entire paper without catching 8 errors, he grades it like a normal paper, looking at content, etc... Then averages that score with all the rewrites and that is how he grades the paper. He and I used red pen because it was eye catching, and would draw your attention to the mistakes so you could fix them. It was never meant to degrade the kids... I argued that with a professor too lol...

Sounds like a damn good teacher. If I was still in the teaching field, I'd probably have to poach his methodology. Since I'm not, hopefully someone else can/will.

Depends on the part of the country your in. Just beucase they don't do it in your area doesnt mean it doesn't happen. I'm in Cali and they do some seriously stupid crap out here.

 azreal13 wrote:

As the survivor of a hurled (metal) dread attack, I beg to differ!

At least you got a free Dread out of it

I have seen plenty of little kids have tantrums when I still visited GW stores but never an adult, then again I am farily selective over who I game with.

I will smash all your faces in dodgeball!!!11one11

But yeah, the OP story is an example of a person that will only ever play anyone one time... then they will refuse to play him again and he will be unable to get games. It takes care of itself if people don't put up with it. My time to game is limited and I would surely have just packed up and played someone else by the end of the first turn if faced with TFG in a friendly. Even in a tournament I do silly stuff when playing TFG, it makes them nuts!

I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

I hope so too, bad sportsmanship is the most entertaining topic on Dakka.

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

These sounds very interesting, it sure is fun to read about the nutters in the world.

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

Not gonna dredge through the entire thread looking for them, but the whole thread itself is amusing.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/254849.page
I think its back from when Frazzled was a mod too.

The paint eating one is one of the best

 BladeWalker wrote:
I will smash all your faces in dodgeball!!!11one11

But yeah, the OP story is an example of a person that will only ever play anyone one time... then they will refuse to play him again and he will be unable to get games. It takes care of itself if people don't put up with it. My time to game is limited and I would surely have just packed up and played someone else by the end of the first turn if faced with TFG in a friendly. Even in a tournament I do silly stuff when playing TFG, it makes them nuts!

that is how it is, the manager wont play him or any of the locals anymore, my friend challenged him once before me, both of us are done playing him at all. he acts that way with MTG as well except he rips his cards and stomps off

Magic players who tear up their cards should be encouraged.

As a CCG, it makes everyone else's cards that much more rare and therefore more valuable. It also means there are fewer magic cards in the universe (so win-win).

at my FLGS they almost banned yu-gi-oh.
Someone took M&M's and crushed them into the floor outta anger.

When grown men or even kids start to fight over little plastic spacemen, that's when humanity has reached it's lowest point.

Not directly bad sportsmanship, but we have a family that comes into my LGS. Dad, mom, and about 3 spawn. 1 or 2 of the kids tend to run around and grab other peoples models. The dad proceeds to glare at you when you tell his kids not to touch your stuff. The third spawn is a baby who is parked in its stroller for hours on end. And when it starts to scream and cry about whatever, the mom responds by doing absolutely nothing. This often leads to trying to play next to a child who can cry for 30 minutes to an hour straight.

Tell them to get out. Glare back. Use stun guns.

To keep my cool on these things is this:

It is only a game as long as we abide by the rules, any other instance is cheating / poor sportsmanship and does not meet the definition of a game.

I can look at OP units, evil combinations especially with allies and smile, because sometimes people just like to show they can rules lawyer as well as the next guy.

I know my rules pretty darn good so I can show a few moments of spamming the rules, if needed to get them to back-off a bit. Typically with a new player, letting many things slide is the way to go. At the end of the day, we both need to enjoy the game or this is all pointless.

To be someone's punching bag for a rough life or their need to dominate others does at least need to be pointed out. To get the goat of these "TFG"'s I like throwing gauntlets like "that model is going to die and there is nothing you can do about it", it is a crazy kind of freaking out they do when you say things like that.

I show I am a fair player and give benefit of the doubt, if I do not see that in my second game with that person, I have better things to do with my time and move on for good.

Remember these people are looking for attention and to show how "awesome" they are, do not give it to them or an audience. Punish them the best way you can: ignore them.

I must admit the most evil, nasty, poor sportsmanship, rules lawyering, foul mouthed instances all happen with my friends! It is more theatre than real but at least we feel we have a right to abuse each other in the most respectful of ways. Total strangers need to earn that right.

Thanks for the stories and have fun gaming!

 Ascalam wrote:

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

Justifiable homicide is what they call the aftermath of this, am I right?

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

Sadly I don't have the original text for the first one, but it's such a classic.

The story goes like this (pulling from memory, so apologies if I get details wrong):

The match is Chaos Space Marines vs. Space Marines. The Chaos player has put a ton of effort into his super special awesome Chaos Lord, dumped a ton of points into him, etc. etc. At some point in the game, the Librarian is in a position to assault the Chaos Lord, so he casts Quickening on himself (which brings the Librarian up to Initiative 10) and points all of his attacks at the Chaos Lord. Chaos Lord takes a wound, and the Librarian passes his psychic test to inflict Instant Death from his force weapon.

The Chaos player was just crushed, his big important model killed by a wimpy little Librarian (they're not exactly masters of close combat, just sayin' ). The Space Marine player offered to reroll the dice and not use the Quickening, since it killed the Chaos Lord in one round without the Lord ever getting a chance to go, but the Chaos player refused. He then grabbed his clippers, lunged across the table at the Space Marine player (who dodged backwards to avoid it). The Chaos player then grabbed the Librarian model, clipped off his force weapon, put it into his mouth and swallowed it. I think the guy was wrestled to the ground and banned from the store, but admittedly it's been a while.

As for my own experiences...I've seen a couple, all by one player. So, the first one, which I don't feel was justified (because that game wound up being a draw anyways), was my Space Wolves vs. his Tau. The mission basically starts off by having each player set down 6 tokens across the board, 12" away from each other, and then dividing his army into 6 parts. Each part then starts out right next to one of the tokens.

Well, as you might have guessed, this isn't exactly a great mission for the Tau. I won the roll to go first, he failed to seize, and I essentially placed every one of my tokens exactly 12" away from his, no matter what. It might have been kind of dickish, but it was a tournament, so sue me. First turn rolls around, I essentially stomp over most of his units, since started everything well within 12" of his units. He manages to pull a draw, since I couldn't actually deal with his Crisis Suits (he managed to get his fire warriors into a screen protecting them while they jumped away), but after that first turn, he winds up throwing half of his dead models across the table to his right, and then turns around to kick the wall behind him in frustration.

Second one, same guy. It should be noted that this guy is one of my buddies (kinda) and I've lent him my Tau units so he can actually play (the previous story had him using my Tau as well). This time, however, he's proxying them as Necrons, back when they had a 3e codex. This was just as I was starting to play Wolves, so I'm proxying an army just to try it out, using Logan Grimnar, 2 squads of Wolf Guard Terminators, and 2 Land Raiders. He's got 3 Monoliths and a whole mess of Warriors with two Resurrection Orb Lords hanging out in the middle.

Game starts, I basically dash across the board untouched in my Land Raiders, since this was before 4 glances killed a Land Raider. He fails to do anything to my Land Raiders on Turn 1, on Turn 2 I move up 12", jump out, and multi-assault two big units of Warriors, one of which has one of his Lords in it. Note that he, at this point, did not move up very far because his Monoliths were in the way. My Terminators leap out, kill a ton of Warriors, and whatever was left runs off the board, including his first Lord.

At this point, he throws an absolute fit and forfeits the game - which I admit is kind of understandable; he had nothing on the board that could punch through my armor, and half of his Necrons had just fled from the board, giving him basically one turn to kill my Terminators before I forced a phase out. But he then grabs the Crisis Suits that I had been proxying as my Terminators and throws them across the room, where they hit a wall and snap off their bases. I think I just stared at him shocked, and then quietly packed up my stuff. I was just amazed that he could get so angry at losing so quickly, even knowing that Space Wolves were a powerful army and Necrons (3e codex in 5e rules) were a really weak army.

If you can't tell from these two stories, this guy is a terrible, terrible loser. I'm not saying that in a derogatory sense, like he's a loser, I mean that he's just really bad at losing graciously. When things don't go his way, he gets pissy and stops playing, not even just in 40k.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

But the "Give everyone a trophy" is very much a myth. I think it is more parents showering praise for small things then any big "Everyone is a winner" mentality.

Actually, it's not a myth. It's alive and well for kids under about the age of 10-12 depending on the activity. I know this because I have kids in that age bracket and every activity they have been involved in that is competitive treats them this way. Soccer, T-ball / LL, Peewee, Karate, doesn't matter.

I can attest as a person that was a child a mere decade ago (like 10 to 14), I received a participation trophy when my little league team made the playoffs, came in second place, or failed to really do anything... We got trophies... thousands of them... The boy scouts were a little better, they gave ribbons, so at least you felt bad about getting something that said "participant" 1st, 2nd, and 3rd got trophies and ribbons lol

Annnnd this is why I quit 40k. For whatever reason, the fantasy crowd is much more relaxed and there to have fun. Played 2 GTs in fantasy and have had nothing but amazing games. can't recall a single 40k tournament where there wasn't a moment like this to some extent.

12thRonin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

But the "Give everyone a trophy" is very much a myth. I think it is more parents showering praise for small things then any big "Everyone is a winner" mentality.

Actually, it's not a myth. It's alive and well for kids under about the age of 10-12 depending on the activity. I know this because I have kids in that age bracket and every activity they have been involved in that is competitive treats them this way. Soccer, T-ball / LL, Peewee, Karate, doesn't matter.

Did you take the trphies away and trash them? Telling them they didnt deserve them?

conker249 wrote:
Imy friends are just watching and wondering why I am putting up with it, I dont know either really, just didnt think he would be that bad, cursing, yelling, throwing dice across the room, all in front of his 5 year old kid, he is 35. he beats me 6 to 4 kill points, and im just glad its over. never playing him again, anyone else have stories like this about TFG?

I agree with your friends. I'd simply tell him something along the lines of "Yeah, this isn't fun. I'm not going to play against you anymore." and pack up my models. My time these days is too valuable to spend on douchebags.


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 Eidolon wrote:
Not directly bad sportsmanship, but we have a family that comes into my LGS. Dad, mom, and about 3 spawn. 1 or 2 of the kids tend to run around and grab other peoples models. The dad proceeds to glare at you when you tell his kids not to touch your stuff. The third spawn is a baby who is parked in its stroller for hours on end. And when it starts to scream and cry about whatever, the mom responds by doing absolutely nothing. This often leads to trying to play next to a child who can cry for 30 minutes to an hour straight.

See, I'd tell the kids off, and then tell him to get his kids under control while glaring at him. I've done that a number of times in various situations where it warranted it. (though never in a game shop). In a LGS, I'd also leave, and tell the owner exactly why. I would never have the patience now to play next to a screaming kid.

I'd also blame the school system. It's clearly schools' fault that parents let their kids turn into ferals.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

12thRonin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

But the "Give everyone a trophy" is very much a myth. I think it is more parents showering praise for small things then any big "Everyone is a winner" mentality.

Actually, it's not a myth. It's alive and well for kids under about the age of 10-12 depending on the activity. I know this because I have kids in that age bracket and every activity they have been involved in that is competitive treats them this way. Soccer, T-ball / LL, Peewee, Karate, doesn't matter.

Did you take the trphies away and trash them? Telling them they didnt deserve them?

No, and it sounds like you have some issues that's you're projecting that you need help with. Nowhere did I say anything like that at all. Did I tell them what they need to do better and push them to do so, yes. That's what a parent does.

Y'know, NVM, Im beating a dead horse with stupid asinine arguments.

Sticks usually work better when beating anything.

 Locclo wrote:

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

Sadly I don't have the original text for the first one, but it's such a classic.

The story goes like this (pulling from memory, so apologies if I get details wrong):

The match is Chaos Space Marines vs. Space Marines. The Chaos player has put a ton of effort into his super special awesome Chaos Lord, dumped a ton of points into him, etc. etc. At some point in the game, the Librarian is in a position to assault the Chaos Lord, so he casts Quickening on himself (which brings the Librarian up to Initiative 10) and points all of his attacks at the Chaos Lord. Chaos Lord takes a wound, and the Librarian passes his psychic test to inflict Instant Death from his force weapon.

The Chaos player was just crushed, his big important model killed by a wimpy little Librarian (they're not exactly masters of close combat, just sayin' ). The Space Marine player offered to reroll the dice and not use the Quickening, since it killed the Chaos Lord in one round without the Lord ever getting a chance to go, but the Chaos player refused. He then grabbed his clippers, lunged across the table at the Space Marine player (who dodged backwards to avoid it). The Chaos player then grabbed the Librarian model, clipped off his force weapon, put it into his mouth and swallowed it. I think the guy was wrestled to the ground and banned from the store, but admittedly it's been a while.

Found it

 Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:
Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

There's also

Miraclefish wrote:There was a lad called Jordan who played when I first got into GW about 12 years ago. He was the archetypal Annoying Game Store Child.

He ran around, barely painted his models, picked up and broke other peoples' and kicked off when his Space Wolves didn't win everything.

After a while, when he broke a nice, kind customer's Leman Russ tank by dropping it, the staff told him he was banned from the store for a month and should take the time to think about his behaviour.

Well, Jordan wasn't having this. He ran to the modeling table to enact some sort of bitter revenge. Sadly there was naught to destroy.

But look! Paints! So Jordan reaches for a pot of Ultramarines Blue and flips the cap. Everyone steps back, fearing the pigment will fly. And then...

...he drinks it.

No, I don't know why, either. But he laughs, and runs for the door, through a sea of people frozen into inaction through confusion.

He get to the door and falters, stumbles. "I..... I don't feel well...."

We watch in silence as he staggers a few steps and clutches his stomach. He looks for a bin to throw up in. He finds none. Which leads to one of the most surreal moments of my life.

I watch a young lad sobbing quietly as he throws up blue-tainted vomit and bitter bile time and time again into the slot of an unfortunate Royal Mail postbox.

Then his mum came to collect him.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

sorry if its already. been posted

....I suddenly feel much better about my matches.

Oh god....
How will I be able to go into my GW today now?!
Curse you DukeBadham, CURSE YOU!!!!!
*Vomits blue paint into post box&

@Krellnus
Just as planned, Mwahaha.

That's not very nice...

 Krellnus wrote:

That's not very nice...

sorry

Back in the Day of Rogue Trader , we couldnt get a copy of the compendium which had the stats for a shuriken pistol , so the eldar player 'wrote' them up as one point less powerful than a shuriken catapult....which he then inclueded following fire on which ate through our games as the squad cohereancy was 2 inches and FF said you hit , you can shoot at another model within two inches.

I got the compedium for christmas , and the next game showed the entire group that shuriken pistols didnt have FF , to which he just said , well Im still playing them as they , so none of us played him again , which was a bit of a pain as it was mostly his terrain we used.

Reading some of the thread that was linked and got to the part where they were talking about slapping kids. If someone, other than family and a few close friends, slapped my kids they would end up in the hospital. If they need to be slapped I'll do. You do it and I'll do my best to break your hands.


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But then again my oldest paints models himself and flips out when ever his younger sister or brother look at his models funny. I also don't take my two young-uns to games stores ... yet.

I remember that thread and all the he-man attitude there toward kids. All I know is that if anyone hits my kids they will be on the ground either voluntarily or involuntarily at gun point.

I don't carry a gun.

I do have a mean walking stick though, and a pair of model clippers in my gaming bag, as well a s a tube of superglue and zipkicker.

That stuff HURTS when you have superglue on your hands that you didn't notice, and the accelerant hits it

There have been store kids i'd happily have slapped, but my kids are a no-go. If they need disciplining for doing something obnoxious, that's for me to do not some random stranger.

Hypocritical, i know..

If everyone followed through on their internet tough guy threats FLGSs the world over would be swimming in blood and half of Dakkas' members would be in jail.

Quite likely

I've never superglue-accelerated anyone in anger, but then no-one has yet given me sufficient provocation, and i have a long fuse.

been tempted a time or two though..

 Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:
Worst happened earlier. I was playing against a chaos marine guyin a 1500pt game-he was new to chaos, so I thought "What the hey-should be fun, and as a chaos player myself I might be able to give him some help". However, I decided to use my Howling Griffons, and my newly converted plastic Epistolary Librarian, so it doesn't just turn into Thousand sons ap 3 slaughterhouse.

From the moment the game started I knew it would end badly-the exact nature, of it though I couldn't have forseen. He had the most annoying voice, and constantly bragged about how his Lord with a demon weapon, Sorceror with bolt of change and 10 heavily upgraded Terminator champions (Yes, I laughed too-and died a little inside) would totally annihlate my little 'girly' marines. However, his attempt to telerport his Terminators containing the sorceror right next to my one remaining scout I had on the objective failed, with them all being destroyed. He looked pissed off, but I didn't honestly think he was going to kick off. So, I charged my Libby into his lord-fair enough, you probably think. Wait for it (I know this is long winded, but I just want to be as clear on the events as possible-I don't quite believe it myself yet). In the assault phase, I strike first (Under the effect of the Quickening Power) and wound the lord. Then, passing my force weapon check, killed it in one before it struck back.

For a moment, the guy just sat there, mouth open. I asked if he wanted to redo the combat, and this time I wouldn't use the quickening (it did seem a kind of cheep move in my eyes.) Then, with a wail that would have put a banshee to shame, he grabbed his clippers from the table and came at me. I think he was going for my throat, but I moved quickley-it just caught my face, and drew a bit of blood. While I was dazed, he picked up my libby, clipped off his force weapon blade-and ate it. Yes, that's right, he actually ATE my force weapon. He then proceeded to clip more bits off, before smashing him into the ground and grinding it into the ground, before jumping back and asking "How's Booky Dweebish (His name for my Librarian) gonna kill my marines NOW?", and started laughing.

The store had just completely stopped now-all eyes on me. I bent down and picked up the battererd remains of my Librarian. Yes, a tear or two were shed-But I had put at least 15 man hours into PLANNING this guy out, he was to be my masterpiece. I then looked up at my opponent. He had stopped laughing by now.

I don't know exactly what happened next, but people standing nearby said to me after that they could see the Mark of Khorne light up in my eyes, and that I have never moved so fast. In the end, I think it was Paul-Resident Blackshirt and a credit to managers everywhere.-who stopped me from going after that guy and killing him. Afterwords, after closing and well into Pauls own time,he sat with me and helped me to rebuild my Librarian-although I asked to keep his backpack slightly broken as a reminder. I then walked out of the store with 2 nice free boxes of the new Stormvermin-so today wasn't a total loss .

I just got back from the docters a while ago-he said the bleeding should stop soon, but I may have a scar there for the rest of my days. I know some people will say I overeacted, and I apologise-but that Librarian was important to me (and I wonder why I have no Girlfreind ). I know that some people will also complain that I've wrote too much-again I apologise, but as I said earlier, I'm still not sure I belive this myself yet.

Take care

LLF

That still has to be one of the most OTT stories ever told on Dakka.....

It gets dredged up once in a while but i can never read it and take it seriously; something about the language used to tell the story just screams fake to me.

Apocalypse game.

I charge Fuagan - the burning lance with my dreadnought. Not a wise move I guess, but better than the alternative. The fire dragon phoenix lord gets 2 hits, both glance and both fail to do anything, 1's or 2's thankfully to my venerable. However, I roll my 3 dice to hit. 2 dice wound.

The kid who got the lord looks at the lord in disbelief. It's like the lord got killed on purpose. He goes NUTS and throws the phoenix lord into the middle of the table, where most of the troops are. Two players are using both IG and tyranids, so there's lots of models.

The manager escorts the kid outside, and bans him from the store. His mum comes in and asks why.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Grown men who act as children, not limited to meatspace any longer...

Anywho, the best thing you can do is not let it burn you out. I've seen it happen quite a few times where someone got cheated or played a TFG and left the game. As long as you don't let that happen to you, you've already won.

He summed it up well here. Don't like people like him bother you, you are the better person in this instance. It's disgusting that he did that in front of his kid as well. It's only a game, after all. Keep being a good person and good things will happen.

 motyak wrote:
On topic, I've never come across someone with really bad sportsmanship, the closest was probably me quitting turn 1 one game when I went from a 1750 army to about 750 if that, but it was just against my brother in my garage and we could just have a second game real quick after. He had suffered no damage turn 1, I had one platoon and a CCS left. It was all over, we both agreed. Its the earliest time I've ever seen a game end, and I've certainly never seen the whole throwing-a-model-smashing-shouting-etc deal.

Conceding a match isn't poor sportsmanship, especially if the game will just be a drag because of a disastrous turn 1. If both players aren't having fun, then both have broken rule #1.
It's a gray area in a tournament depending on the scoring for the tourney, but still, if the TOs don't allow for concessions potentially wrecking the ranking*, I'd say something's wrong with the format used.
*-such as by allowing one player to move to far up the ladder if their opponent concedes, or by greatly limiting the points they get if the opponent concedes and then denies them the points they would have gotten had they played the match out.

HOW you concede is a different story.

Haha Lobbas, no one uses lobbas, so how can they be OP?

smellyoldgamer wrote:

 motyak wrote:
On topic, I've never come across someone with really bad sportsmanship, the closest was probably me quitting turn 1 one game when I went from a 1750 army to about 750 if that, but it was just against my brother in my garage and we could just have a second game real quick after. He had suffered no damage turn 1, I had one platoon and a CCS left. It was all over, we both agreed. Its the earliest time I've ever seen a game end, and I've certainly never seen the whole throwing-a-model-smashing-shouting-etc deal.

Conceding a match isn't poor sportsmanship, especially if the game will just be a drag because of a disastrous turn 1. If both players aren't having fun, then both have broken rule #1.
It's a gray area in a tournament depending on the scoring for the tourney, but still, if the TOs don't allow for concessions potentially wrecking the ranking*, I'd say something's wrong with the format used.
*-such as by allowing one player to move to far up the ladder if their opponent concedes, or by greatly limiting the points they get if the opponent concedes and then denies them the points they would have gotten had they played the match out.

HOW you concede is a different story.

The how was no matter. We both looked at eachother once we were done rolling and were like ".......whelp. That'll do" and started again.

My flgs has a TFG and man he is a dick, i never played him thankfully but we were playing warmahordes and i was using menoth agianst mercs a fun match-up i played a lot. Back on topic my buddy was cryx agianst a legion of everblight guy this guys name is scott and he was the tfg at titan a old game store that closed like 6 years ago, they had a rule disagreement and since the game was timed to 35 minutes my buddy asked if they could pause the game to get this figured out well 10 minutes later they get it squared away and they start were they left off, The game i was in we called a draw so we could watch this guy essentially cheat he did everything possible he would roll his dice then say hit no matter what always add another inch to his movement and just not be a fun person. Well the end of the game the guy is losing and says at the 30 mintue mark when he is done he is going to bring in those 10 minutes he lost looking up rules the game store got so quiet it seemed everyone had left, he got glared at and when he walked up to get his winning stamp the owners were pissed at him.

All in all happy i never played him i wouldve stomped him becasue i can do what he did to my buddy but its nice to know that he quit playing.

I have a story to tell, im fairly new to wargaming (maybe 8-10 months now) and i finally decided to enter the doubles tourny at my FLGS(it was a 2k game so each team of 2 players each brings 1k pt army) my friend brought his SW and i decided to bring my GK's i ran drago + 10 pallys and a single solodin plus a vindicare, all kitted to the teeth ) this was my friend and i's 1st ever tourny (we have a group of 5 friends) who we normally rotate playing.

we had never fought a dark eldar player before so we were sort of excited.

Turn one i moved roughly to the middle of the field to force our NME's to stay back from the objectives that i was now holding (had 2/3 after 1 turn) his first turn he shoots his pirate ship looking thingy (still dont know the name, maybe ravager?) and he said it has a heavy 9 ST8 ap 2 gun. i was blown away, i was like holy crap that is the perfect anti paladin gun, he managed to kill 4 paladins on his first turn. (having never played dark eldar in my head i cried imba lol)

I managed to kill some of his transports turn 2 and my ally destroyed some of his ork allies troops/trukks. turn 2 he wiped all but drago, my solodin and my vindicare off the board. (again in my head i cried imba but kept my mouth shut because they have to have a weakness) game was over on turn 4.

It was over all a friendly game with smiles all around. we were cracking jokes about how he couldnt kill my solodin( i had him in hide in a corner the entire game lol) and it was only after the tourny was over (by 2-3 days) i looked into the dark eldar codex (hey if you cant beat em, join em right?)

i then realized he has no heavy 9 str 8 ap 2 gun. turns out he was cheating / combining two guns into one. dark eldar have a heavy 9 but its only str 5 ap 2 , they also have a heavy 3 str 9 ap 2. so he was either cheating the whole time or perhaps really confused on how to play the game, this left a bad taste in my mouth because he actually won the tournament (our team came in 4th out of 22 teams) which made me even more mad because if he was playing right the whole game, my team could of made it into the prize pool on our first ever tourny! :(

my lesson that I've learned is now i ask questions when playing armys ive never fought before because you never know who will beat you just using their mouth and not the dice

very true man

I've never had any serious TFG stories, the worst would be a game were a guy just packed his stuff up left without saying a thing after receiving a drumming.

As for the model eating story... I wonder if that guy ever pressed charges.

 Raid wrote:
I have a story to tell, im fairly new to wargaming (maybe 8-10 months now) and i finally decided to enter the doubles tourny at my FLGS(it was a 2k game so each team of 2 players each brings 1k pt army) my friend brought his SW and i decided to bring my GK's i ran drago + 10 pallys and a single solodin plus a vindicare, all kitted to the teeth ) this was my friend and i's 1st ever tourny (we have a group of 5 friends) who we normally rotate playing.

we had never fought a dark eldar player before so we were sort of excited.

Turn one i moved roughly to the middle of the field to force our NME's to stay back from the objectives that i was now holding (had 2/3 after 1 turn) his first turn he shoots his pirate ship looking thingy (still dont know the name, maybe ravager?) and he said it has a heavy 9 ST8 ap 2 gun. i was blown away, i was like holy crap that is the perfect anti paladin gun, he managed to kill 4 paladins on his first turn. (having never played dark eldar in my head i cried imba lol)

I managed to kill some of his transports turn 2 and my ally destroyed some of his ork allies troops/trukks. turn 2 he wiped all but drago, my solodin and my vindicare off the board. (again in my head i cried imba but kept my mouth shut because they have to have a weakness) game was over on turn 4.

It was over all a friendly game with smiles all around. we were cracking jokes about how he couldnt kill my solodin( i had him in hide in a corner the entire game lol) and it was only after the tourny was over (by 2-3 days) i looked into the dark eldar codex (hey if you cant beat em, join em right?)

i then realized he has no heavy 9 str 8 ap 2 gun. turns out he was cheating / combining two guns into one. dark eldar have a heavy 9 but its only str 5 ap 2 , they also have a heavy 3 str 9 ap 2. so he was either cheating the whole time or perhaps really confused on how to play the game, this left a bad taste in my mouth because he actually won the tournament (our team came in 4th out of 22 teams) which made me even more mad because if he was playing right the whole game, my team could of made it into the prize pool on our first ever tourny! :(

my lesson that I've learned is now i ask questions when playing armys ive never fought before because you never know who will beat you just using their mouth and not the dice

We have a Heavy 9, S 5 AP 2? News to me..

Ravagers can have three disintegrators - 3 x Heavy 3, S 5 , AP 2

Or

3 Dark Lances 3 x Heavy 1, S 5, AP 2

Guy was very confused/very dubious..

sounds like the guy was cheating on purpose. I like to win but not to that extent.

 Ascalam wrote:

We have a Heavy 9, S 5 AP 2? News to me..

Ravagers can have three disintegrators - 3 x Heavy 3, S 5 , AP 2

Or

3 Dark Lances 3 x Heavy 1, S 5, AP 2

Guy was very confused/very dubious..

ah, i just remember it as a heavy 9 i guess because you can take 3 of them, its kinda the same. my bad i suppose. i havnt played any dark eldar players since(not by choice but maybe not a popular army in my area i suppose?) i thought the dark lances were heavy 1 str 8 ap 2, again by bad.

in fact actually that simply reminds me, it was night turn 1(this tourny was our FLGS fareway to 5th edition final tourny as 6th had only been out for 2 weeks) he said he had nightvision and didnt need to roll to see how far to shoot. and foolish me he pulled out his codex and flashed the words nightvision to me, i took him for his word and didnt bother to read the entire paragraph about it. now maybe i think i should have. wouldnt it of been something like re-roll 1/2 d6 for your night vision sight range? or maybe like the tau blacksun filters? iunno, the thought just came washing back to me now.

even in my area it is SM and their cousins feels good to be one of the dark eldar players in the area. We have a scary old Asian man who pulls out his tyranids like maybe half a tables worth and people are scared to play him.

Lances are S 8. I typo'd

 Ascalam wrote:
Lances are S 8. I typo'd

thank god, i thought i had forgotten to take my anti crazy pills...lol

What gets me is how these people don't feel embarressed about their actions? Gaming groups are generally quite small communities where nearly everyone knows everyone else, so acting foolishly/childish seems a bit crazy to me, certainly wouldn't be able to show my face again.

Doesn't shock me at all. Have you been/seen a sporting event lately. It's getting weirder and weirder out their. Different group off people but they act the same.

I never had any TFG stories until my local group started Fantasy, and unfortunately TFG was an old friend from gradeschool that started Warhammer Fantasy with us

TFG would whine repeatedly about how all the armies except the ones he played were overpowered and was broken, and has been on the verge of quitting Warhammer altogether saying stuff like "I like DandD more than this game" and trying to bum out the crowd. TFG has also been the Dungeon Master for the few times we did play DanD, but none of the campaigns lasted more than the first night because it just wasn't worth the trouble and not fun with him as DM

He has quit before the first turn was over, like after losing a lvl 4 caster, and went off and played a video game instead. I asked if I could play the rest of the game with his army and basically beat his opponent (we didn't have time to finish though). And TFG's win/loss record is actually one of the better ones of the group if not the best, he doesn't know how to handle playing games with others. For example he is frequently kicked out or alienated from online communities like guilds in MMORPG video games for being a whining and somewhat entitled asshat

In one instance he accidentally broke the banner off a converted model, and just laughed and smiled at his opponent as things weren't going his way at the time so that was some kind of relief for him?

When things wouldn't go with his way, he would also refuse to share his beers that he normally shared if he was the one hosting the game. Conversely, if he was winning then he would be more than merry to share. If a rules query came up, he has mocked his opponent in a baby voice asking stuff like "is this okay for you mr. smith?" and more. He basically bullied and broke one of the cooler members of the group to the point of saying "You're ruining Warhammer for me". No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

I know that feel man, i was the TFG of the group but for different reasons. I got to good to fast and left them in the dust they actually stopped warmachine because my ability to 2v1 was way to good i could stomp both players without flinching and my wins to losses was to high like every 3 wins i had a lose and i was a dick. I was a sore loser and a sore winner and i still am im trying to beat that but it takes time. Sucks that your TFG doesn't even care for his hygiene.

Gabrial Seth wrote:
I was a sore loser and a sore winner and i still am im trying to beat that but it takes time.

I can respect that, dude

Good on you for posting that line

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

I am currently trying to learn 6th ed, the new Chaos codex, and play some casual games of Magic the Gathering, and I'm currently a bit of TFG in the local 40k scene. My first issue is that I'm playing a little bit of Magic, a game I loathe, but my best friends all want me to play with them once in a while. So, I play a few games, get ticked off and extremely annoyed because I'm being beaten by decks that are designed to hold their own, and I'm losing because I don't wish to put money towards the game.

Trying to learn 6th ed and the new chaos codex has led to a handful of horrible games where I get upset, and complain about how I remember why I don't find 40k all that fun, but I'm trying to learn. My last game was against Necrons and I was tabled by turn 3. I had lost 16 marines in the first turn, I was getting stomped the entire game, and afterwards I basically told the guy, that I did not have fun because I was losing so badly, and that I was ticked off that his army of stuff he had in a box (he had been painting, and didn't have his normal army on him) was able to be crush me so handedly. And then during the game I called him a fething prick because he said there was a rule that he felt was stupid and broken. He then proceeded to use that rule to his advantage to beat my face in, it involved his command barge (chariot) being able to leap over my unit and then make his attacks with the str and ap of his lord's weapon (Str 7, AP 1).

Yes I was getting extremely angry over these games of toys and paper, but I never have issues with the other wargames I play. Normally I'm a decent person to play, I don't usually get upset, but those two game systems bring out the worst in me, which sucks because 40k is what got me into wargaming.

Edit: Even just thinking about my recent experiences with those games gets my blood simmering... I just put myself into a bad mood D:

 Elemental wrote:

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

Seriously. We've kicked people out of our D&D group for being less annoying than what you've described. Our playtime is limited, so we don't waste time with people that piss us off.

I'll admit that I have had some tfg moments myself. Partly because since I'm type 1 diabetic, my glucose levels can have an effect on me. There have been times that I argue the tiniest detail with my friends before I realized it. I'll just excuse myself and either take some insulin or eat a snack.

My stories are a little more generic.

There's one kid I play against at my FLGS that always plays a "1500" point army of Spehs Mahreens with an Allied detachment of orks.

The issue is he's fielding way too much for 1500, but when I call him out on it he throws a tantrum. I realise that Orks can field a lot, but dude's fielding way, WAY too much for the point limit. Even the guy in charge agrees that we have to watch him when/if he plays in tournies.

Just glad I've played against a decent White Scars player who actually followed the rules. I realise that at about 1500-2000 points the rules can dick you around, but it gets seriously unfun when you're a social recluse like me when it comes to calling people out on their bs.

@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

Papasmerv wrote:
@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

They play NOTHING else... They make the claim that Magic is cheaper, which for two of them it is. I have one that spends a lot of money on magic, and is friendly to play, but purposefully plays his "casual" decks against me. One guy optimizes his decks but has maybe dropped 100 bucks on the game, and another has his deck from the spare cards of the first two. They won't play war games with me because they see it as a waste of money...

Heh. $100 does not an optimized Magic Deck make!

 kronk wrote:
Heh. $100 does not an optimized Magic Deck make!

No it doesn't, but none of my friends play in tournaments, but they still take their magic playing seriously enough... Though granted I could be low balling the number... I rarely see their collections, just their decks...

well, in my group we played magic but i was shown 40k, so all the magic friends made the shift to warmachine because it was cheaper then we shifted to GW games. In my honest opinion i feel that MTG is a waste of money now balance issues out that arse i stopped buying cards from anything after mirrodin.

I just started picking back up on 40k and this is exactly what worries me about playing games at any of the gaming stores by me. I found out GW opened a store close by and when I went in to ask some questions about the new paints and all the guy that worked there wanted to talk about was his army. So I think a lot of players out there like to read the books and talk about the game more than play it.

 kronk wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

Seriously. We've kicked people out of our D&D group for being less annoying than what you've described. Our playtime is limited, so we don't waste time with people that piss us off.

Yea TFG does have some good qualities but for the most part he's not worth the trouble. I want to value the inertia from being an old friend that is also friends with other old friends, but yea my goodwill has been exhausted before with this guy and no one really wants to hang out with him anymore. No one has fun playing with him and arguments turn childish as soon as TFG feels like things aren't going his way and his body language just says he wants to quit, belittle, and whine, which he often does. For a lesser example: In one of the games I played against TFG, he would re-measure his bolt thrower's range several times before finaly facing the fact that his target wasn't within range, making something that should last a few seconds turn into minutes.

It kind of sucks since TFG started two armies and bought a GW table over the summer, but then I remember how he forced one of my best friends to take his army home away from TFG's place after losing a game. That may not sound that bad, but the army was at TFG's place because my friend is a single parent that doesn't have safe space for the hobby, and TFG didn't have any problems with assembling and leaving it there for the weeks prior. TFG forced my frend to take his Ogre army away in front of TFG's new girlfriend. It was almost like some kind of power move to try and impress her, I suppose? TFG couldn't stand losing and forced him to take the army home.....even though TFG called another friend earlier to ask to leave behind his unused Skaven army, and Skaven take up a lot more space than a typical Ogre Kingdom army. My friend had to hastily cut up the foam in his too-small carrying case, and had to hoard his miniatures in boxes that were falling apart, and TFG revealed that my friend had to take the Ogres away at nearly the last minute , all the while TFG kept whining and dismissing my friend's request for just one day to prepare his army.

He's also one of those hobbyists that, even though he's the worst one of the group from a painting standpoint (not that there's anything wrong with that), he would give backhanded compliments and frankly unwarranted criticism to fellow friends. Instead of giving a positive comment he'll find something he doesn't like with the model instead and point it out, even to beginning hobbyists, basically acting like one of those gradeschool teachers from that Pink Floyd song 'Just Another Brick in the Wall'. And no one in the group did that to TFG even though his own painting needs a lot of work, and yes you guessed it TFG also won't take constructive criticsm or basic painting tips without feeling signifcantly offended.

I won't even go into how he treats local game store workers and strangers. In fact I'm done talking about TFG for now, kind of bums me out but I don't see myself or my local group gaming or hanging out with him. TFG has to be coddled and if he isn't having fun throughout the game, which for him means tabling the opponent in a landslide victory, then he's going to let you know about it and bum out the entire crowd to the point of never wanting to play again. It's like he's just attention whoring even if its for a negative reaction and gets under the skin of even the coolest and most level-headed gamers in the group

 Cane wrote:

Some serious TFG stuff!

Man. Sorry to read all of that! I think this might be one of those times where you look long and hard at a relationship (and that's what a group of gamers is, a relationship) and ask: Is this guy someone I want to be around? Is he taking advantage of my friends and me? Also, has this person been a friend for the last 8 years OR was he my friend 8 years ago?

I hope your group can move on and still play with each other without this guy! Sounds just awful!

Damn man, I learned from a good painter and even i am not perfect, my models show that but i love taking advice and giving it. In a game though never give me advice i need to learn a tip here and there but full blown advice makes me a tad bit petulant at times.

And that the TFG side of me its like a person locked in a cage and the guard loses the keys so he gets out.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Papasmerv wrote:
@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

They play NOTHING else... They make the claim that Magic is cheaper, which for two of them it is. I have one that spends a lot of money on magic, and is friendly to play, but purposefully plays his "casual" decks against me. One guy optimizes his decks but has maybe dropped 100 bucks on the game, and another has his deck from the spare cards of the first two. They won't play war games with me because they see it as a waste of money...

I would guess if they don't play tournaments they may not care about the way MTG 'ages' out old sets, which would keep the cost low. Kind of like if I found the box of MTG I probably have in a bin somewhere and started playing with all my circa 1997 cards. Which would be kind of fun to try against a modern set, although the cards actually look quite different nowadays.

On the other hand, MTG can have definite 'creeping' costs. A pack is pretty cheap, isn't it? Under $5? (Last time I bought Magic was probably 15 years ago...) So it's easy to ignore the price, and buy a packet or two a week, not realizing you're spending a few hundred a year. Ask a lot of casual smokers about this... Some don't realize how much they're actually spending because they never really add up the costs. Same concept. Also true for App Store/online music purchases.

My friends tend to stay up to date because one of their friends plays in tournaments, so he's always up to date, and they make attempts to stay up to date ...(not quite in my circle of friends yet, but apparently he is in our pathfinder group).

It's not a big issue for me, I play wargames with other friends, but not my best friends lol.

 Alfndrate wrote:
... I rarely see their collections, just their decks...

Oh, such filthy innuendo - I love it!

A long time ago, I used to be TFG.

I'd whine. I'd bitch. I threw dice. Stomped around. You name it, I did it. I look back and I don't even know why I did it. Then one day, during a Risk game (it happened with all sorts of games, not just miniature games), I got so mad I shoved my best friend of 16 years hard back down into his chair.

Everyone was just staring at me. The room was dead silent and I think that's the point where I finally realized what was going on. I wasn't 'good naturedly ribbing' everyone. I wasn't 'being passionate about the game'. I was being an unmitigated donkey-cave. I stopped gaming for a while and really had to figure out what was going on. It took something like that before I realized that things were really wrong.

It takes a long time to change habits. And you have to sit and work out the underlying reasons for WHY you started acting like that. There turned out to be some very bad anger issues I had to work out that had been bleeding over into my gaming experiences. As I've aged, I've mellowed out a lot, and it's made things more pleasant for myself and my friends as well.

Every game begins with a polite thanking for playing and ends the same way (along with an offered handshake now). Voice is not allowed to be raised. If there's a rules dispute, the book comes out immediately, or we get a third party, or just dice it off.

I don't want to be that person; the guy everyone hates to be around.

Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.

 CIsaac wrote:
A long time ago, I used to be TFG.

I'd whine. I'd bitch. I threw dice. Stomped around. You name it, I did it. I look back and I don't even know why I did it. Then day, during a Risk game (it happened with all sorts of games, not just miniature games), I got so mad I shoved my best friend of 16 years hard back down into his chair.

Everyone was just staring at me. The room was dead silent and I think that's the point where I finally realized what was going on. I wasn't 'good naturedly ribbing' everyone. I wasn't 'being passionate about the game'. I was being an unmitigated donkey-cave. I stopped gaming for a while and really had to figure out what was going on. It took something like that before I realized that things were really wrong.

It takes a long time to change habits. And you have to sit and work out the underlying reasons for WHY you started acting like that. There turned out to be some very bad anger issues I had to work out that had been bleeding over into my gaming experiences. As I've aged, I've mellowed out a lot, and it's made things more pleasant for myself and my friends as well.

Every game begins with a polite thanking for playing and ends the same way (along with an offered handshake now). Voice is not allowed to be raised. If there's a rules dispute, the book comes out immediately, or we get a third party, or just dice it off.

I don't want to be that person; the guy everyone hates to be around.

Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.

Exalted.

for me it is the anger of not winning i love to win, so much that i can get hooked on it. So i learned from a young age since i was so slight that i had to get used to losing more often than anything else.

It sucks to not win it sucks more when your friends get tired of playing games with you.

Me, I can be a TFG aswell, Like this last game, I was playing a guy and his kid. I was getting annoyed when the first turn took nearly a half an hour on his side because he and his 6 year would keeparguing over what unit to fire and at what. I got so frusterated that a couple times i would just ask it they could just roll the dice.
And i didnt like this because i can get in at most one game a week, and I would like to be able to play a full game. I think its that everyone can be a TFG is they are faced with an unfavorable situation that they are flung into. I dont like that i did that, but i did.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Me, I can be a TFG aswell, Like this last game, I was playing a guy and his kid. I was getting annoyed when the first turn took nearly a half an hour on his side because he and his 6 year would keeparguing over what unit to fire and at what. I got so frusterated that a couple times i would just ask it they could just roll the dice.
And i didnt like this because i can get in at most one game a week, and I would like to be able to play a full game. I think its that everyone can be a TFG is they are faced with an unfavorable situation that they are flung into. I dont like that i did that, but i did.

That's not being a TFG. Six year olds have no business trying to play WH40K regardless of how 'mature' they are.

I beg to differ.

My 7 year old started when she was 6. She's pretty good.

She also paints a hell of a lot better than some of the guys i run into at the FLGS, and at least she DOES paint

I startedf WHFB when i was about 8. Started 40K not much later when it came out (as RT).

If you don't want to play 40k against kids, that's cool. Telling anyone, whether they are 6 or 66, that they have no right to play a tabletop game is fething ridiculous.

Sure, they might need reminding what certain rules mean, or how a vehicle can move, but that's not a kid-only issue. There's a guy at our FLGS who needs prompts too. He loves the game, and he's cool to play against, but he does need reminders from time to time.

telling a kid they cant play something is messed up, the guy wanted to bond with his kid, maybe the kid knew more than he let on either way

I have no problem with kids in the game but 6 is definitely too young to expect someone to have a grip on the rules imo. Sure they might be great players and they might know the rules better than me but I wouldn't expect it and would be very wary about playing them.

iknew battletech when i was 7. We didnt play much but i knew the rules and how to apply them. If the kid is taught hands and the rules are reinforced then they can be taught a tabletop game. I know when i have a kid i am going to get them a 40k or fantasy army and teach them to paint.

We had a player at our local group - could be a little bit of a tool and was a WAAC type player.

We were having a friendly tourny - he got paired against the least skilled, least able player...and procedded to table him..

Took a brutal list, all the pluses he could...and even at the end on the last turn refused a fun request from the other player.

No need for it there was no fun to be had....I had a game against him as the 2nd least able player and was determained not to let him win - held him to a draw....one of my proudest moments in WH

if your 35 years old and can't measure 30' you shouldn't be playing

Kids do have a place in this game, Heck im going to try ot see if my 8-10 year(If i ever have one) would be interested in it. Where they dont belong is with an adult, constantly arguing about what to do.

Now two TFGs squaring off can be entertaining.

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
if your 35 years old and can't measure 30' you shouldn't be playing

Not everyone's eyes can measure perception well enough to gauge 30" right.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I am currently trying to learn 6th ed, the new Chaos codex, and play some casual games of Magic the Gathering, and I'm currently a bit of TFG in the local 40k scene. My first issue is that I'm playing a little bit of Magic, a game I loathe, but my best friends all want me to play with them once in a while. So, I play a few games, get ticked off and extremely annoyed because I'm being beaten by decks that are designed to hold their own, and I'm losing because I don't wish to put money towards the game.

Trying to learn 6th ed and the new chaos codex has led to a handful of horrible games where I get upset, and complain about how I remember why I don't find 40k all that fun, but I'm trying to learn. My last game was against Necrons and I was tabled by turn 3. I had lost 16 marines in the first turn, I was getting stomped the entire game, and afterwards I basically told the guy, that I did not have fun because I was losing so badly, and that I was ticked off that his army of stuff he had in a box (he had been painting, and didn't have his normal army on him) was able to be crush me so handedly. And then during the game I called him a fething prick because he said there was a rule that he felt was stupid and broken. He then proceeded to use that rule to his advantage to beat my face in, it involved his command barge (chariot) being able to leap over my unit and then make his attacks with the str and ap of his lord's weapon (Str 7, AP 1).

Yes I was getting extremely angry over these games of toys and paper, but I never have issues with the other wargames I play. Normally I'm a decent person to play, I don't usually get upset, but those two game systems bring out the worst in me, which sucks because 40k is what got me into wargaming.

Edit: Even just thinking about my recent experiences with those games gets my blood simmering... I just put myself into a bad mood D:

I respect this mainly because I have a similar issue with yu-gi-oh, I started this with friends but I only use cards where I find them lying around my house when I was 6, and they are outdated by far as they are very old cards (such as the original blue eyes white dragon and relinquished), I do not intend to spend more money on this game mainly because I am more into my models, but the majority of my friends play competitively so I feel like in order to stand a chance to have a game that last more the 30 seconds let alone beating my opponent, i feel like I will have to buy more cards and those new "synchro" and "xyz" cards (to which I still Dont see why they needed to exist), and I can understand how on the whole card games can be annoying mainly because (and for me this is what the game is now) the game play now is just get 3 spell cards that get your most powerful cards out on the field within 2 turns and then you get blown to smitheries, any resistance or counters are dealt with the other trap/spell cards that have been placed down as well.

I have kind of the same problems as well with 40k mainly because I play CSM as well I have only used the new codex twice and have been wiped by a fellow necron player as well with their mindshakle scarabs and warscythe's and gauss... and the detachment of basilisks, but I will say Dont feel too bad with 40k, it is a really unbalanced game when it comes to playing competitively... also the necron codex is a ward codex so there always bound to be OP .

im not saying its matt ward but it matt ward

Ok I'll say it, if all of this was going on at your local games store...where were the staff to calm the situation down/kick the offensive player out? They should be there to control situations like this or become rules whores (lack of a better word ). As thats what I've had round me when I've been to one.

 CIsaac wrote:
Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.

I agree, but....there's a fine line between supporting someone to overcome their bad habits, and just enabling said habits. If someone in your group is being a jerk and you don't want to kick them out, then they still need to be called on their behaviour, by whoever has authority at a club, or maybe by the group as a whole if it's a close circle of people who already know each other.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
if your 35 years old and can't measure 30' you shouldn't be playing

Not everyone's eyes can measure perception well enough to gauge 30" right.

Rubbish, perception is no great factor in measurin. There's even a lock on almost all tapes sot that you can measure and then read the result.

Most of the (albeit few) times that people do the measure 6" the skip past that clear point, it has had nothing to do with the distance between A and B and everything to do with laziness,'cheating and/or disregard for ones opponent: eyesight is not a factor.

 Elemental wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:
Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.

I agree, but....there's a fine line between supporting someone to overcome their bad habits, and just enabling said habits. If someone in your group is being a jerk and you don't want to kick them out, then they still need to be called on their behaviour, by whoever has authority at a club, or maybe by the group as a whole if it's a close circle of people who already know each other.

There is, absolutely, a point where they do cross the line of acceptable behavior. I also agree that once that line's been crossed, said behavior shouldn't be tolerated any longer. On the other hand, there's not a lot of ways I've seen mentioned to handle it that does well by both sides.

IMO, the best way to handle is to sit down and talk them. Calmly, rationally, and explain the behavior and the problem with it. Either they'll be able to respond well and try to improve the behavior (and may require assistance, if they truly are a friend, don't stand by and let them go it alone). OTOH, some people won't respond to that and those are usually the TFGs that are beyond changing and are best jettisoned.

I've been TFG and I've also had to deal with TFG (in an RPG environment, not Mini Gaming, but it's very similar). I was able to adjust and get better. The TFG in our RPG environment was best served (as were we) with a change of scenery after several lengthy discussions with him to try to fix things. He was our friend, but gaming was not fitting well with him.

In both situations, though, we were able to avoid losing friends, though in the latter, the makeup of the gaming group changed.

I have witnessed, and experienced people quitting/forfeiting due to them losing. I think this is pathetic. My BA Friend was playing I think Tau (the tau player was about 15) and due to his Hammerhead being obliterated, He got extremely upset, and immediately started to pack up his models...

 Tyriion wrote:
I have witnessed, and experienced people quitting/forfeiting due to them losing. I think this is pathetic. My BA Friend was playing I think Tau (the tau player was about 15) and due to his Hammerhead being obliterated. He got extremely upset, and immediately started to pack up his models...

Sometimes there is nothing to do but forfeit the game. I was giving Malifaux demos last Friday, and I had a kid that couldn't have been more than like... 12 play a guy that was in his 40s maybe even his 50s. The first game they played was Viktorias (kid) vs. Lady Justice (older gentleman). By the end of turn 3 the Viks player had all but wiped out the Lady Justice crew. He said, "The game's yours young man." they shook, the kid had a gak-eating grin on his face, and then they decided to try my Dreamer/Lord Chompy Bits (kid) and Pandora (older gentleman). This time the exact opposite was true, and the dreamer had 1 model on the table no where near able to defend against Pandora's pinging death, the kid didn't forfeit, but when they both realized that the kid couldn't win because he couldn't prevent the older gentleman from getting his strategy and schemes completed, they called it on turn 4.

I mean forfeiting when you're losing because you're losing and having a bad time, forfeiting when you've been crippled, and realize that you're just dragging out the inevitable and wasting both players' time, then yes, it's okay to forfeit.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Tyriion wrote:
I have witnessed, and experienced people quitting/forfeiting due to them losing. I think this is pathetic. My BA Friend was playing I think Tau (the tau player was about 15) and due to his Hammerhead being obliterated. He got extremely upset, and immediately started to pack up his models...

Sometimes there is nothing to do but forfeit the game. I was giving Malifaux demos last Friday, and I had a kid that couldn't have been more than like... 12 play a guy that was in his 40s maybe even his 50s. The first game they played was Viktorias (kid) vs. Lady Justice (older gentleman). By the end of turn 3 the Viks player had all but wiped out the Lady Justice crew. He said, "The game's yours young man." they shook, the kid had a gak-eating grin on his face, and then they decided to try my Dreamer/Lord Chompy Bits (kid) and Pandora (older gentleman). This time the exact opposite was true, and the dreamer had 1 model on the table no where near able to defend against Pandora's pinging death, the kid didn't forfeit, but when they both realized that the kid couldn't win because he couldn't prevent the older gentleman from getting his strategy and schemes completed, they called it on turn 4.

I mean forfeiting when you're losing because you're losing and having a bad time, forfeiting when you've been crippled, and realize that you're just dragging out the inevitable and wasting both players' time, then yes, it's okay to forfeit.

I totally agree with you, but all that happened was he lost a hammerhead, he wasnt actually getting demolished or beaten badly, he could of easily won it.

And that's where you're right it's pathetic, sorry for just digging out one solid nugget in your post, but my beef was just the vagaries caused by the "forfeiting because you're losing is pathetic."

 The Great Wolf wrote:
That is just absolutely terrible!
At my FLGS I have walked around watching battles taking place in the past and have seen people acting like this.
I just dont understand the mentality of people like that, why play the game if you are just going to throw accusations and act like a right idiot to your opponent?
I think people must just take the game too seriously these days and become too competitive... because when I play, I play for the fun value alone win or lose.

I agree, despite winning being enjoyable and all, it is just a game and the fun side is much more enduring, and if you're a douche then you wont have anyone to play for fun or competitively!
Im impressed you continued the game, I would have slapped this upstart and walked away.

 CIsaac wrote:
A long time ago, I used to be TFG.

I'd whine. I'd bitch. I threw dice. Stomped around. You name it, I did it. I look back and I don't even know why I did it. Then one day, during a Risk game (it happened with all sorts of games, not just miniature games), I got so mad I shoved my best friend of 16 years hard back down into his chair.

Everyone was just staring at me. The room was dead silent and I think that's the point where I finally realized what was going on. I wasn't 'good naturedly ribbing' everyone. I wasn't 'being passionate about the game'. I was being an unmitigated donkey-cave. I stopped gaming for a while and really had to figure out what was going on. It took something like that before I realized that things were really wrong.

It takes a long time to change habits. And you have to sit and work out the underlying reasons for WHY you started acting like that. There turned out to be some very bad anger issues I had to work out that had been bleeding over into my gaming experiences. As I've aged, I've mellowed out a lot, and it's made things more pleasant for myself and my friends as well.

Every game begins with a polite thanking for playing and ends the same way (along with an offered handshake now). Voice is not allowed to be raised. If there's a rules dispute, the book comes out immediately, or we get a third party, or just dice it off.

I don't want to be that person; the guy everyone hates to be around.

Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.

Dude I've been there I have anger issues as well. It's hard but just work on it everyday,

A few weeks ago i was playing my friends Chaos Warriors with my Skaven. In turn two he got off Infernal gateway on my 900 pt Plague monks with plague furnace brick. I wanted to quit right there but after i righted myself we played on turn 6 i had a large pool of power dice and I was going to throw them at Dreaded 13th it went off irresistible and turned the remnants of his death star into clan rats.

SO remember always keep calm and play on

Well I haven't played him again. As well as most people there. Now he has almost 12000 points of dark eldar and no opponent. So he brings his army and sits. Asks people to play and they say no thanks. He has one opponent that plays him and its the same thing. I guess that guy is a bigger man than me since I refuse to play him again

I've had my TFG moments. I was younger and just needed to learn some maturity. Most of the time now if I get curb stomped in my games I will resign since maybe we can get another game in. Sometimes your dice just don't work out but I don't take it personally.

bdix wrote:Annnnd this is why I quit 40k. For whatever reason, the fantasy crowd is much more relaxed and there to have fun. Played 2 GTs in fantasy and have had nothing but amazing games. can't recall a single 40k tournament where there wasn't a moment like this to some extent.

Funny, it was the opposite for me, I find the 40k crowd here is a lot better than the Fantasy (or maybe its the population difference).

Anyway, I'll admit I've been TFG before (not throwing things/yelling, just irritable), and its mostly when I've gone up against fantasy books by a certain writer in the past. But that's changed a lot in the past few years. Just last night I faced my brother's CSM army, his Chaos Lord and a unit of Berserkers charged my Farsight+TH/SS unit and completely slaughtered them using The Black Mace's 3" Toughness Test, I just kicked back, grinned at him and went on to the next turn. Won 12 to 4 He and I later discussed how its a ridiculously overpowered weapon, but its the only good Daemon Weapon they have now.

We also have TFG at our local shop, 15 year old that believes his Orks cant lose to anything, constantly yells about how one unit is invincible or overpowered. Not to mention a HUGE army with nothing painted and ramshackle conversions (even for Orks). Unfortunately we cant do anything about him...He's the shop owner's son. T_T

I must say I played a great sport on the weekend - I was rocking 70 space wolves/grey knights, and he was tau - by turn 2 it was 10 kill points to 2, and he had failed all but 1 LD test too. But he was a great sport through it all, laughing it up and talking about the dice (but not in a 'i would win if my dice let me' way). Great game in the end even if it was one sided. I thought I should/could be more like that.

I'm TFG, and I really need to stop being such a dick. I've got to learn to be more humble.

I cringe when I saw someone toss a landraider crusader because it wasn't performing well. Not in the garbage just heaved it across the room. I wasn't the one playing him but I still had to check the impulse to dolphin dive to try and save the model. I would love to have a crusader someday but other things come first. Makes me sad when I see people treating expensive models like garbage.

There's a guy at one of the semi-local stores to our group of friends. We've played in 3 tournaments at the store and, in two of those three, two of my friends have had to play the same guy.

We've given him the nickname of Captain Cheesedick, which has become our podcast's equivalent of the TFG trope. It's amazing that he's the one jackass in all of the people we've met at this store.

 warhawkstriker wrote:
I'll admit that I have had some tfg moments myself. Partly because since I'm type 1 diabetic, my glucose levels can have an effect on me. There have been times that I argue the tiniest detail with my friends before I realized it. I'll just excuse myself and either take some insulin or eat a snack.

Type 1.5 here (always the damned exception over here). I can attest that blood sugar does indeed effect mood. Unfortunately, I'm happiest when I'm running around 190-210 (normal is 80-120 if you are unaware). I actually start to get irritable when above 250 or below 90. Around the 70 mark I get giddy and extremely hungry.

I've had my share of TFG moments as well. I've actually scooped on turn 2 before my opponent had taken his 2nd. I whine A LOT about my terrible rolls and often follow up on how my space-elf-clowns had decided to load their weapons with glitter and crayons. During games where I am losing/failing in every way possible (read: every game), I'll often lose interest in the game and just go through the motions till it is over -_-'. Sometimes I'll make like my units are fleeing the game. When they reach the edge of the table I scoop them. My opponent usually complains about this despite me saying he can have a KP for it (I don't do this until I'm certain victory is impossible). What I do while my opponent is going is usually try to figure out where my "plan" had gone downhill and complain about codex creep. I'll occasionally get in arguments about statistics as well. One encounter was that rolling 2d6 and discarding the lowest when firing a twin-linked bright lance had the same chances of hitting as re-rolling the 1 die. These discussions usually end with me simply dropping the subject due to various reasons (usually their refusal to do anything that is not expressly described in the rules).

Was in a FLGS today getting some new Chaos stuff, the owner of the store was playing against this rather overweight guy who was probably in his late 20's. The guy was screaming and yelling about how the owner just took out apparently 300pts of his Guardsmen with a force of Forgefiends, dropping the f-bomb and talking about how horrible his luck is. He quit right there then slammed his own defiler on the ground, shattering it. The owner was basically telling him to calm down.

I lol'd and pretended to not be watching by reading the 6th ed CSM codex.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Tyriion wrote:
I have witnessed, and experienced people quitting/forfeiting due to them losing. I think this is pathetic. My BA Friend was playing I think Tau (the tau player was about 15) and due to his Hammerhead being obliterated. He got extremely upset, and immediately started to pack up his models...

Sometimes there is nothing to do but forfeit the game. I was giving Malifaux demos last Friday, and I had a kid that couldn't have been more than like... 12 play a guy that was in his 40s maybe even his 50s. The first game they played was Viktorias (kid) vs. Lady Justice (older gentleman). By the end of turn 3 the Viks player had all but wiped out the Lady Justice crew. He said, "The game's yours young man." they shook, the kid had a gak-eating grin on his face, and then they decided to try my Dreamer/Lord Chompy Bits (kid) and Pandora (older gentleman). This time the exact opposite was true, and the dreamer had 1 model on the table no where near able to defend against Pandora's pinging death, the kid didn't forfeit, but when they both realized that the kid couldn't win because he couldn't prevent the older gentleman from getting his strategy and schemes completed, they called it on turn 4.

I mean forfeiting when you're losing because you're losing and having a bad time, forfeiting when you've been crippled, and realize that you're just dragging out the inevitable and wasting both players' time, then yes, it's okay to forfeit.

That's conceding, not forfeiting. Conceding the game when you cannot win, nor even draw, is quite sporting. If your opponent is hell-bent on crushing you into the dust, then THAT isn't particularly sporting.
Forfeiting is not playing the game to start with or giving up before the first turn.

Concession is a valid result. Like resignation in Chess (it signifies that you have won, and I cannot stop this, so there is little point to prolonging it.)

Friend of mine runs a DA list that naturally includes a gak ton of Deathwing. We took his army to the nearest FLGS once he'd gotten a couple lists together to try out, and I was going along for moral support.

Local place is divided into two parts; the store and the game room. Naturally, we go through the store, chatting it up with the owner and the other guy working (we'd known them for years). There were several people in the store part that were there for the 40k day and they, oddly, didn't want to talk to us.

So, we head back to the game tables and start setting up (my friend drew a Necron player). We meet the guy, shake hands, and he asks what I'm doing and that if I'm not playing I'll need to be quiet. Odd. So the game begins.

Two turns later, my friend has this guy nearly tabled. Now, granted the rolling on the guy's end was horrid, I think he missed every save. But this cat starts bitching and complaining, calling my friend all sorts of nastiness. So, being the lighthearted guy he is, my friend offers a rematch. Guy tells him to go feth himself and grabs up my buddy's custom Belial. Before either of us can make a move, he snaps the figure in two and throws the pieces in opposite directions.

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

*EDIT: Whoops, the profanity filter didn't pick up on the *$#% ton remark. Sorry mods.*

Hilarious and awesome. Good call.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Granted we were kicked out for a week

Should've been arrested.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Granted we were kicked out for a week

Should've been arrested.

Definitely

guy deserved it, he broke a custom made model and he was annoying.

Gabrial Seth wrote:
guy deserved it, he broke a custom made model and he was annoying.

Nope. He deserved to compensate your friend for the broken model, but committing assault and battery isn't the answer tough guy.

rigeld2 wrote:

Gabrial Seth wrote:
guy deserved it, he broke a custom made model and he was annoying.

Nope. He deserved to compensate your friend for the broken model, but committing assault and battery isn't the answer tough guy.

A hard scare from a police officer and a fine for destruction of private property (plus a likely banning from the store) are usually more than sufficient to reinforce respect for private property. Administering a beating (while gratifying) just makes it so both sides are in the wrong.

One of the local 40K leagues in Dallas is run by an Outrider who is actually a police officer. He's shown up to tourneys in uniform before. I can't imagine anyone touching a model without another's permission.

the way we handle things is different, but beating him most likely felt good.

Undoubtedly a good slapping was the the correct conclusion.

Saves time and local resources on an otherwise irrelvent problem. Hopefully the knob end will have learnt his lesson, if not you will have no problem with him wanting to try and play you again! Win-win i say.

 Frankenberry wrote:

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe this story.

 kronk wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe this story.

Is it on the internet? Then it's true.

Well, there is one story. This was during the time of Ard Boyz... a far far away time in a not so close location just full of poor sportsmen ship. The prizes although where high and worth the rough time. Two Ork players, me and my buddy, travel to the arena of sadness both with our eyes on the prize. A good 30 have shown, many known to be good sports, many others known to be gits. Grey Plastic mini's everywhere, just all over the place. Tears in eyes a random folk wonders by. This guy has a 100% internet win list with his guard. So meta it made me and my buddy laugh. He catches us laughing at him, and confronts us. "Your list, did you come up with that yourself?" i say. He picks up my list, and my buddies, and in a brave barbaric voice "I will crush both your weak ork lists." Spit hits my face. Rubbing my face on my sleeve, "And i will continue to have a girl friend and live happy." (This guy was known to be single 24/7 and suspected 27 year old virgin). A vein popped on his head. Literally a fething vein just shot up in the corner of his forehead. He wandered off. I looked to my buddy, who had a 45 loota bubble list with 90 boys. We called it the dakka tarp-pit. It was a list we both knew drew a majority of its games. I told him "I hope you fight this guy, because your list will 100% troll him" We both laugh.. The TO calls out who fights who, i get a returning space marine chap - complete newbie. My gut sinks, i dislike crushing a new guy. My friend - THE DARK GODS FAVORED US! He gets to fight this guy. The next 2 and half hours are the worst experience i have ever seen from a warhammer player.

I play my chap, we shake hands before the game we exchange lists, we chat about he is a returning space marine player, has a lovely white scar army. I tell him his list isn't the best, but its definitely good, and he will have a hard time with my list. We deploy. I take 25minutes putting out my 160 models. Just seeing my army on the table the guys eyes emptied of hope for a win. Basically, i am being TFG right now and i hate, but it is part of the story. I offer the best advice i can for the guy to win, but i heartlessly table him. It was Ard Boyz. I apologize to him, and say i only did it for the points. He says its cool and we shake hands again. Game over in 40 minutes. (The guy packed up and left the tourny after that game, still kinda hurts my heart).

Going over to my bubble chap, this guy now has two veins popping off his skull. He is sweating hard, and throwing dice for saves. The loota spamm is blowing apart all the chimeras and whatever cover save this guy had to roll he just chucks the dice over the table bouncing off models. Every model that dies he curses at it, saying it failed him. My buddy is just laughing, and telling the guy to chill out. The guy sucks in his lower lip and bites down on it, and is now lobster red in the face. Sweat continues to poor over his face as the guard mosy about to fight off the hordes of orks. Vendettas with no tanks to shoot kill 2 boys a turn because of the bubble. The guy curses every time my buddy makes a save. At one point the manitcore put 23 wounds on the 15 man loota squad, My buddy makes 22 saves on 5+. This guy throws the template on the table and curses, kicks his model box, and shakes his fists in to the air and rages so much that khorne himself may have blessed this dude. Buddy and I just look at each other, poker face, i glance at the TO, he is wide eyed, and doesn't know what to do about this guy. Something in the guy chills out, and he comes back to the table. The game goes on in such fashion my buddy, makes saves, kinda hurts stuff, and ends with a draw. This guy should have his head explode by this point-he is purple with anger. The draw effectively puts him in bottom middle tier, and my buddy doesn't care. This guy left the store after the match for the 10 minute break and unleashed a litany of fury into the parked cars. The cars themselves looked ready to run. In the end that guy went through rainbow faces in the tourny being every color at one point or another. Yellow = winning, white = scared of losing, red = mad, purple = really mad, and lets not forget throwing dice, yelling at models, and blaming everything on his foe.

^ One of the better stories on this page.

i am afraid to say that i was like this in the past. then i read a standard bearer about bad sportsmanship...
now i try and reform-even if those *bleep*ing lizardmen's heroes are so *bleep*ing overpriced.

 kronk wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe this story.

Surely if a bloke tells you a story, and you tell him you don't believe it, you ARE calling him a liar? :-D

I mean, I don't either, so we are, no matter how much we wish to be polite about it, calling him a liar, it's unavoidable!
So why sit on the fence eh?

Bad moderation? Actually yeah.. Probably a good enough one. My lifetime ban was implemented after a bloke said that carrying a foetus to term can never kill a mother, and "are you ignorant or lying?" was enough to seal the deal.

Indisputable facts are not the order of the day around Catholics, but as this hard to believe yarn has no religious conatations we should be dandy.

I was assaulted by a wave of eldar corsair ships during a game of BFG, many moons ago. I had just obliterated a squadron of 5 or 6 of the little ships, literally my only luck of the game. He picked them up and threw them at me, screaming that if I wanted them so bad I should just have them.

I started cleaning the table of my ships, clearly not in the mood to continue and shaking from the agressivity, I didn't want to give him anything else to scream about or hit me with. Everyone was dead silent as he threw the rest of his ships around and left the store. When I calmed down, we noticed that one of them had imbedded itself in the drywall behind me. Could have missed my head by only a few wee inches.

HAH! I got you all beat!


I went into this shop and it was full of weirdos so I challenged them all to a battle and I won and they all threw their stuff on the ground and broke it then they broke my figure and so I beat them all up and stole all their girlfriends then me and their girlfriends all went out for hot sex and cocaine at a juggalo partee and we all had lashings and lashings of ginger beer.

Cos I'm ded ard and gorjussss!!!


Tru storeee!

Ha. I get a better one. This guy got upset for when i reached across the table and knocked one of his DKK over(note 1 trooper) he flipped into a nerd rage. He tried to kill me, luckily I uppercutted his head into outer space.
(Noteart of that is true, one part isnt)

 Frankenberry wrote:
Friend of mine runs a DA list that naturally includes a gak ton of Deathwing. We took his army to the nearest FLGS once he'd gotten a couple lists together to try out, and I was going along for moral support.

Local place is divided into two parts; the store and the game room. Naturally, we go through the store, chatting it up with the owner and the other guy working (we'd known them for years). There were several people in the store part that were there for the 40k day and they, oddly, didn't want to talk to us.

So, we head back to the game tables and start setting up (my friend drew a Necron player). We meet the guy, shake hands, and he asks what I'm doing and that if I'm not playing I'll need to be quiet. Odd. So the game begins.

Two turns later, my friend has this guy nearly tabled. Now, granted the rolling on the guy's end was horrid, I think he missed every save. But this cat starts bitching and complaining, calling my friend all sorts of nastiness. So, being the lighthearted guy he is, my friend offers a rematch. Guy tells him to go feth himself and grabs up my buddy's custom Belial. Before either of us can make a move, he snaps the figure in two and throws the pieces in opposite directions.

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

*EDIT: Whoops, the profanity filter didn't pick up on the *$#% ton remark. Sorry mods.*

That sounds like a true story I just made up.


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Only case of bad sportsman ship I've seen was after the last game I played against my son. Lucky bastard tabled me in three turns, so I took all of his models and melted them in front of him. As he started to cry I slapped him so hard my wife felt it in her ovaries. Needless to say the next time we played my son let me win.

 Frankenberry wrote:
Friend of mine runs a DA list that naturally includes a gak ton of Deathwing. We took his army to the nearest FLGS once he'd gotten a couple lists together to try out, and I was going along for moral support.

Local place is divided into two parts; the store and the game room. Naturally, we go through the store, chatting it up with the owner and the other guy working (we'd known them for years). There were several people in the store part that were there for the 40k day and they, oddly, didn't want to talk to us.

So, we head back to the game tables and start setting up (my friend drew a Necron player). We meet the guy, shake hands, and he asks what I'm doing and that if I'm not playing I'll need to be quiet. Odd. So the game begins.

Two turns later, my friend has this guy nearly tabled. Now, granted the rolling on the guy's end was horrid, I think he missed every save. But this cat starts bitching and complaining, calling my friend all sorts of nastiness. So, being the lighthearted guy he is, my friend offers a rematch. Guy tells him to go feth himself and grabs up my buddy's custom Belial. Before either of us can make a move, he snaps the figure in two and throws the pieces in opposite directions.

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

*EDIT: Whoops, the profanity filter didn't pick up on the *$#% ton remark. Sorry mods.*

What you did sounds even worse. The guy did nothing to instigate violence from you. all he did was break a model.

Being a new player who's only ever played against my fiancee (another new player) these stories are making me really nervous about going to my FLGS to get a game against someone I don't know!

If someone even looked like they were going to touch my models after having a fit about whatever, they'd be the ones getting snapped in half.

Dont worry really, Likely is you will run int only a few of these guys in your lifetime. We are people from all over the globe telling these stories. Dont worry.

I don't know Conker personally, but I am from the area. The local store has been around for twenty plus years and the owner supports many games with nice prize support. But the sad truth is many of the local players are like this and When a prize is on the line watch out. I am amazed that the 40k game has survived due to some of the players. They even have a local club that will host games, but no matter how good of player you are the club members are the ones that win the prizes. Don't get me wrong there is some great guys and gals there that I am proud to know, but now i never go over there to play because of local yahoos. A number of us have spoke to the shop owner, but until it affects sales I think he wouldn't do much about it.

 Balance wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Papasmerv wrote:
@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

They play NOTHING else... They make the claim that Magic is cheaper, which for two of them it is. I have one that spends a lot of money on magic, and is friendly to play, but purposefully plays his "casual" decks against me. One guy optimizes his decks but has maybe dropped 100 bucks on the game, and another has his deck from the spare cards of the first two. They won't play war games with me because they see it as a waste of money...

I would guess if they don't play tournaments they may not care about the way MTG 'ages' out old sets, which would keep the cost low. Kind of like if I found the box of MTG I probably have in a bin somewhere and started playing with all my circa 1997 cards. Which would be kind of fun to try against a modern set, although the cards actually look quite different nowadays.

On the other hand, MTG can have definite 'creeping' costs. A pack is pretty cheap, isn't it? Under $5? (Last time I bought Magic was probably 15 years ago...) So it's easy to ignore the price, and buy a packet or two a week, not realizing you're spending a few hundred a year. Ask a lot of casual smokers about this... Some don't realize how much they're actually spending because they never really add up the costs. Same concept. Also true for App Store/online music purchases.

Seriously, I was a smoker for 20 years and I would still hate to add up all the money I've spent on MTG... It would... not be good.

 Paint_To_Redemption wrote:
Being a new player who's only ever played against my fiancee (another new player) these stories are making me really nervous about going to my FLGS to get a game against someone I don't know!

If someone even looked like they were going to touch my models after having a fit about whatever, they'd be the ones getting snapped in half.

Dont worry, most gamers are actually quite well mannered. And as another poster said, we all meet some of these folks from time to time.

 Trondheim wrote:

 Paint_To_Redemption wrote:
Being a new player who's only ever played against my fiancee (another new player) these stories are making me really nervous about going to my FLGS to get a game against someone I don't know!

If someone even looked like they were going to touch my models after having a fit about whatever, they'd be the ones getting snapped in half.

Dont worry, most gamers are actually quite well mannered. And as another poster said, we all meet some of these folks from time to time.

Agreed, also Paint_To, please bear in mind that this is the internet and some people may be lying...

I think this thread has run its course. If mods can close it for good please

nkelsch wrote:


I don't believe 1-sided internet whines... no one is ever as wrong and childish as the OP says.

It is a great thing we have Inspector nkelsch around to set things straight.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

 Paint_To_Redemption wrote:
Being a new player who's only ever played against my fiancee (another new player) these stories are making me really nervous about going to my FLGS to get a game against someone I don't know!

If someone even looked like they were going to touch my models after having a fit about whatever, they'd be the ones getting snapped in half.

Dont worry, most gamers are actually quite well mannered. And as another poster said, we all meet some of these folks from time to time.

Agreed, also Paint_To, please bear in mind that this is the internet and some people may be lying...

Yup, lots is BS.

The stuff about sex, coke and Juggalo parties was true though, right? Otherwise I'm never believing anything I read on the internet again.

 angel of ecstasy wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

 Paint_To_Redemption wrote:
Being a new player who's only ever played against my fiancee (another new player) these stories are making me really nervous about going to my FLGS to get a game against someone I don't know!

If someone even looked like they were going to touch my models after having a fit about whatever, they'd be the ones getting snapped in half.

Dont worry, most gamers are actually quite well mannered. And as another poster said, we all meet some of these folks from time to time.

Agreed, also Paint_To, please bear in mind that this is the internet and some people may be lying...

Yup, lots is BS.

The stuff about sex, coke and Juggalo parties was true though, right? Otherwise I'm never believing anything I read on the internet again.

That part is definitely true. I had sex last night, just opened a bottle of coke and Juggalo Homies is playing on Winamp at the moment... One question though... What's a party?

I have a friend who literally describes himself as a hobby vampire, these are his words, this is not paraphrased
"I get hobby pleasure from beating my opponent so badly they want to quit, I want to break there hobby" , I'm a casual gamer and play him every week near enough, I am convinced that I can. Get him to change his attitude, he is the only waac player I know lol

 Paint_To_Redemption wrote:


...What's a party?

Exalted sir.

I have a friend who literally describes himself as a hobby vampire, these are his words, this is not paraphrased
"I get hobby pleasure from beating my opponent so badly they want to quit, I want to break there hobby" , I'm a casual gamer and play him every week near enough, I am convinced that I can. Get him to change his attitude, he is the only waac player I know lol

 mattyrm wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:

This guy was maybe 5'9" and about 200lbs. Both me and my friend are 6'3" 250-280, so we beat him stupid. Granted we were kicked out for a week, but the guy never came back, and the next time we showed up some other gamers had brought us beer.

I'm not calling you a liar, but I don't believe this story.

Surely if a bloke tells you a story, and you tell him you don't believe it, you ARE calling him a liar? :-D

I mean, I don't either, so we are, no matter how much we wish to be polite about it, calling him a liar, it's unavoidable!
So why sit on the fence eh?

Bad moderation? Actually yeah.. Probably a good enough one. My lifetime ban was implemented after a bloke said that carrying a foetus to term can never kill a mother, and "are you ignorant or lying?" was enough to seal the deal.

Indisputable facts are not the order of the day around Catholics, but as this hard to believe yarn has no religious conatations we should be dandy.

I'm not saying you're a masculine man, but if they took blood samples from you, they'd fine DNA connections to both Zeus and Odin...

Let's not continue this 4 month old thread.