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I've never had any serious TFG stories, the worst would be a game were a guy just packed his stuff up left without saying a thing after receiving a drumming.

As for the model eating story... I wonder if that guy ever pressed charges.

 Raid wrote:
I have a story to tell, im fairly new to wargaming (maybe 8-10 months now) and i finally decided to enter the doubles tourny at my FLGS(it was a 2k game so each team of 2 players each brings 1k pt army) my friend brought his SW and i decided to bring my GK's i ran drago + 10 pallys and a single solodin plus a vindicare, all kitted to the teeth ) this was my friend and i's 1st ever tourny (we have a group of 5 friends) who we normally rotate playing.

we had never fought a dark eldar player before so we were sort of excited.

Turn one i moved roughly to the middle of the field to force our NME's to stay back from the objectives that i was now holding (had 2/3 after 1 turn) his first turn he shoots his pirate ship looking thingy (still dont know the name, maybe ravager?) and he said it has a heavy 9 ST8 ap 2 gun. i was blown away, i was like holy crap that is the perfect anti paladin gun, he managed to kill 4 paladins on his first turn. (having never played dark eldar in my head i cried imba lol)

I managed to kill some of his transports turn 2 and my ally destroyed some of his ork allies troops/trukks. turn 2 he wiped all but drago, my solodin and my vindicare off the board. (again in my head i cried imba but kept my mouth shut because they have to have a weakness) game was over on turn 4.

It was over all a friendly game with smiles all around. we were cracking jokes about how he couldnt kill my solodin( i had him in hide in a corner the entire game lol) and it was only after the tourny was over (by 2-3 days) i looked into the dark eldar codex (hey if you cant beat em, join em right?)

i then realized he has no heavy 9 str 8 ap 2 gun. turns out he was cheating / combining two guns into one. dark eldar have a heavy 9 but its only str 5 ap 2 , they also have a heavy 3 str 9 ap 2. so he was either cheating the whole time or perhaps really confused on how to play the game, this left a bad taste in my mouth because he actually won the tournament (our team came in 4th out of 22 teams) which made me even more mad because if he was playing right the whole game, my team could of made it into the prize pool on our first ever tourny! :(

my lesson that I've learned is now i ask questions when playing armys ive never fought before because you never know who will beat you just using their mouth and not the dice

We have a Heavy 9, S 5 AP 2? News to me..

Ravagers can have three disintegrators - 3 x Heavy 3, S 5 , AP 2

Or

3 Dark Lances 3 x Heavy 1, S 5, AP 2

Guy was very confused/very dubious..

sounds like the guy was cheating on purpose. I like to win but not to that extent.

 Ascalam wrote:

We have a Heavy 9, S 5 AP 2? News to me..

Ravagers can have three disintegrators - 3 x Heavy 3, S 5 , AP 2

Or

3 Dark Lances 3 x Heavy 1, S 5, AP 2

Guy was very confused/very dubious..

ah, i just remember it as a heavy 9 i guess because you can take 3 of them, its kinda the same. my bad i suppose. i havnt played any dark eldar players since(not by choice but maybe not a popular army in my area i suppose?) i thought the dark lances were heavy 1 str 8 ap 2, again by bad.

in fact actually that simply reminds me, it was night turn 1(this tourny was our FLGS fareway to 5th edition final tourny as 6th had only been out for 2 weeks) he said he had nightvision and didnt need to roll to see how far to shoot. and foolish me he pulled out his codex and flashed the words nightvision to me, i took him for his word and didnt bother to read the entire paragraph about it. now maybe i think i should have. wouldnt it of been something like re-roll 1/2 d6 for your night vision sight range? or maybe like the tau blacksun filters? iunno, the thought just came washing back to me now.

even in my area it is SM and their cousins feels good to be one of the dark eldar players in the area. We have a scary old Asian man who pulls out his tyranids like maybe half a tables worth and people are scared to play him.

Lances are S 8. I typo'd

 Ascalam wrote:
Lances are S 8. I typo'd

thank god, i thought i had forgotten to take my anti crazy pills...lol

What gets me is how these people don't feel embarressed about their actions? Gaming groups are generally quite small communities where nearly everyone knows everyone else, so acting foolishly/childish seems a bit crazy to me, certainly wouldn't be able to show my face again.

Doesn't shock me at all. Have you been/seen a sporting event lately. It's getting weirder and weirder out their. Different group off people but they act the same.

I never had any TFG stories until my local group started Fantasy, and unfortunately TFG was an old friend from gradeschool that started Warhammer Fantasy with us

TFG would whine repeatedly about how all the armies except the ones he played were overpowered and was broken, and has been on the verge of quitting Warhammer altogether saying stuff like "I like DandD more than this game" and trying to bum out the crowd. TFG has also been the Dungeon Master for the few times we did play DanD, but none of the campaigns lasted more than the first night because it just wasn't worth the trouble and not fun with him as DM

He has quit before the first turn was over, like after losing a lvl 4 caster, and went off and played a video game instead. I asked if I could play the rest of the game with his army and basically beat his opponent (we didn't have time to finish though). And TFG's win/loss record is actually one of the better ones of the group if not the best, he doesn't know how to handle playing games with others. For example he is frequently kicked out or alienated from online communities like guilds in MMORPG video games for being a whining and somewhat entitled asshat

In one instance he accidentally broke the banner off a converted model, and just laughed and smiled at his opponent as things weren't going his way at the time so that was some kind of relief for him?

When things wouldn't go with his way, he would also refuse to share his beers that he normally shared if he was the one hosting the game. Conversely, if he was winning then he would be more than merry to share. If a rules query came up, he has mocked his opponent in a baby voice asking stuff like "is this okay for you mr. smith?" and more. He basically bullied and broke one of the cooler members of the group to the point of saying "You're ruining Warhammer for me". No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

I know that feel man, i was the TFG of the group but for different reasons. I got to good to fast and left them in the dust they actually stopped warmachine because my ability to 2v1 was way to good i could stomp both players without flinching and my wins to losses was to high like every 3 wins i had a lose and i was a dick. I was a sore loser and a sore winner and i still am im trying to beat that but it takes time. Sucks that your TFG doesn't even care for his hygiene.

Gabrial Seth wrote:
I was a sore loser and a sore winner and i still am im trying to beat that but it takes time.

I can respect that, dude

Good on you for posting that line

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

I am currently trying to learn 6th ed, the new Chaos codex, and play some casual games of Magic the Gathering, and I'm currently a bit of TFG in the local 40k scene. My first issue is that I'm playing a little bit of Magic, a game I loathe, but my best friends all want me to play with them once in a while. So, I play a few games, get ticked off and extremely annoyed because I'm being beaten by decks that are designed to hold their own, and I'm losing because I don't wish to put money towards the game.

Trying to learn 6th ed and the new chaos codex has led to a handful of horrible games where I get upset, and complain about how I remember why I don't find 40k all that fun, but I'm trying to learn. My last game was against Necrons and I was tabled by turn 3. I had lost 16 marines in the first turn, I was getting stomped the entire game, and afterwards I basically told the guy, that I did not have fun because I was losing so badly, and that I was ticked off that his army of stuff he had in a box (he had been painting, and didn't have his normal army on him) was able to be crush me so handedly. And then during the game I called him a fething prick because he said there was a rule that he felt was stupid and broken. He then proceeded to use that rule to his advantage to beat my face in, it involved his command barge (chariot) being able to leap over my unit and then make his attacks with the str and ap of his lord's weapon (Str 7, AP 1).

Yes I was getting extremely angry over these games of toys and paper, but I never have issues with the other wargames I play. Normally I'm a decent person to play, I don't usually get upset, but those two game systems bring out the worst in me, which sucks because 40k is what got me into wargaming.

Edit: Even just thinking about my recent experiences with those games gets my blood simmering... I just put myself into a bad mood D:

 Elemental wrote:

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

Seriously. We've kicked people out of our D&D group for being less annoying than what you've described. Our playtime is limited, so we don't waste time with people that piss us off.

I'll admit that I have had some tfg moments myself. Partly because since I'm type 1 diabetic, my glucose levels can have an effect on me. There have been times that I argue the tiniest detail with my friends before I realized it. I'll just excuse myself and either take some insulin or eat a snack.

My stories are a little more generic.

There's one kid I play against at my FLGS that always plays a "1500" point army of Spehs Mahreens with an Allied detachment of orks.

The issue is he's fielding way too much for 1500, but when I call him out on it he throws a tantrum. I realise that Orks can field a lot, but dude's fielding way, WAY too much for the point limit. Even the guy in charge agrees that we have to watch him when/if he plays in tournies.

Just glad I've played against a decent White Scars player who actually followed the rules. I realise that at about 1500-2000 points the rules can dick you around, but it gets seriously unfun when you're a social recluse like me when it comes to calling people out on their bs.

@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

Papasmerv wrote:
@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

They play NOTHING else... They make the claim that Magic is cheaper, which for two of them it is. I have one that spends a lot of money on magic, and is friendly to play, but purposefully plays his "casual" decks against me. One guy optimizes his decks but has maybe dropped 100 bucks on the game, and another has his deck from the spare cards of the first two. They won't play war games with me because they see it as a waste of money...

Heh. $100 does not an optimized Magic Deck make!

 kronk wrote:
Heh. $100 does not an optimized Magic Deck make!

No it doesn't, but none of my friends play in tournaments, but they still take their magic playing seriously enough... Though granted I could be low balling the number... I rarely see their collections, just their decks...

well, in my group we played magic but i was shown 40k, so all the magic friends made the shift to warmachine because it was cheaper then we shifted to GW games. In my honest opinion i feel that MTG is a waste of money now balance issues out that arse i stopped buying cards from anything after mirrodin.

I just started picking back up on 40k and this is exactly what worries me about playing games at any of the gaming stores by me. I found out GW opened a store close by and when I went in to ask some questions about the new paints and all the guy that worked there wanted to talk about was his army. So I think a lot of players out there like to read the books and talk about the game more than play it.

 kronk wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

 Cane wrote:
No one wants to play with TFG and no one has for nearly the past month

On top of it all TFG stinks from poor hygiene and is proud of never washing his hands (and he prepares food at a restaurant for a living).

Yea none of us really like hanging out with that guy anymore

So....why do you allow him in your group at all? I'll happily admit I don't know him or you, and maybe he has some really good qualities that you didn't mention, but I'm having trouble understanding why you'd want to associate with him based on what you've written. If it's just inertia from being an old friend, surely that goodwill gets exhausted at some point. Sometimes ostracism is good and necessary, you know?

Seriously. We've kicked people out of our D&D group for being less annoying than what you've described. Our playtime is limited, so we don't waste time with people that piss us off.

Yea TFG does have some good qualities but for the most part he's not worth the trouble. I want to value the inertia from being an old friend that is also friends with other old friends, but yea my goodwill has been exhausted before with this guy and no one really wants to hang out with him anymore. No one has fun playing with him and arguments turn childish as soon as TFG feels like things aren't going his way and his body language just says he wants to quit, belittle, and whine, which he often does. For a lesser example: In one of the games I played against TFG, he would re-measure his bolt thrower's range several times before finaly facing the fact that his target wasn't within range, making something that should last a few seconds turn into minutes.

It kind of sucks since TFG started two armies and bought a GW table over the summer, but then I remember how he forced one of my best friends to take his army home away from TFG's place after losing a game. That may not sound that bad, but the army was at TFG's place because my friend is a single parent that doesn't have safe space for the hobby, and TFG didn't have any problems with assembling and leaving it there for the weeks prior. TFG forced my frend to take his Ogre army away in front of TFG's new girlfriend. It was almost like some kind of power move to try and impress her, I suppose? TFG couldn't stand losing and forced him to take the army home.....even though TFG called another friend earlier to ask to leave behind his unused Skaven army, and Skaven take up a lot more space than a typical Ogre Kingdom army. My friend had to hastily cut up the foam in his too-small carrying case, and had to hoard his miniatures in boxes that were falling apart, and TFG revealed that my friend had to take the Ogres away at nearly the last minute , all the while TFG kept whining and dismissing my friend's request for just one day to prepare his army.

He's also one of those hobbyists that, even though he's the worst one of the group from a painting standpoint (not that there's anything wrong with that), he would give backhanded compliments and frankly unwarranted criticism to fellow friends. Instead of giving a positive comment he'll find something he doesn't like with the model instead and point it out, even to beginning hobbyists, basically acting like one of those gradeschool teachers from that Pink Floyd song 'Just Another Brick in the Wall'. And no one in the group did that to TFG even though his own painting needs a lot of work, and yes you guessed it TFG also won't take constructive criticsm or basic painting tips without feeling signifcantly offended.

I won't even go into how he treats local game store workers and strangers. In fact I'm done talking about TFG for now, kind of bums me out but I don't see myself or my local group gaming or hanging out with him. TFG has to be coddled and if he isn't having fun throughout the game, which for him means tabling the opponent in a landslide victory, then he's going to let you know about it and bum out the entire crowd to the point of never wanting to play again. It's like he's just attention whoring even if its for a negative reaction and gets under the skin of even the coolest and most level-headed gamers in the group

 Cane wrote:

Some serious TFG stuff!

Man. Sorry to read all of that! I think this might be one of those times where you look long and hard at a relationship (and that's what a group of gamers is, a relationship) and ask: Is this guy someone I want to be around? Is he taking advantage of my friends and me? Also, has this person been a friend for the last 8 years OR was he my friend 8 years ago?

I hope your group can move on and still play with each other without this guy! Sounds just awful!

Damn man, I learned from a good painter and even i am not perfect, my models show that but i love taking advice and giving it. In a game though never give me advice i need to learn a tip here and there but full blown advice makes me a tad bit petulant at times.

And that the TFG side of me its like a person locked in a cage and the guard loses the keys so he gets out.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Papasmerv wrote:
@Alfndrate. Do your MTG friends play 40k? I have what my friends call "gamer a.d.d." I have to play many different games because I get bored easily. To combat this I would trade off. "I'll play a game of X if you play a game of Y." Maybe if you can get your MTG friends to play a game of 40k or two they will be more enjoyable opponents.

They play NOTHING else... They make the claim that Magic is cheaper, which for two of them it is. I have one that spends a lot of money on magic, and is friendly to play, but purposefully plays his "casual" decks against me. One guy optimizes his decks but has maybe dropped 100 bucks on the game, and another has his deck from the spare cards of the first two. They won't play war games with me because they see it as a waste of money...

I would guess if they don't play tournaments they may not care about the way MTG 'ages' out old sets, which would keep the cost low. Kind of like if I found the box of MTG I probably have in a bin somewhere and started playing with all my circa 1997 cards. Which would be kind of fun to try against a modern set, although the cards actually look quite different nowadays.

On the other hand, MTG can have definite 'creeping' costs. A pack is pretty cheap, isn't it? Under $5? (Last time I bought Magic was probably 15 years ago...) So it's easy to ignore the price, and buy a packet or two a week, not realizing you're spending a few hundred a year. Ask a lot of casual smokers about this... Some don't realize how much they're actually spending because they never really add up the costs. Same concept. Also true for App Store/online music purchases.

My friends tend to stay up to date because one of their friends plays in tournaments, so he's always up to date, and they make attempts to stay up to date ...(not quite in my circle of friends yet, but apparently he is in our pathfinder group).

It's not a big issue for me, I play wargames with other friends, but not my best friends lol.

 Alfndrate wrote:
... I rarely see their collections, just their decks...

Oh, such filthy innuendo - I love it!

A long time ago, I used to be TFG.

I'd whine. I'd bitch. I threw dice. Stomped around. You name it, I did it. I look back and I don't even know why I did it. Then one day, during a Risk game (it happened with all sorts of games, not just miniature games), I got so mad I shoved my best friend of 16 years hard back down into his chair.

Everyone was just staring at me. The room was dead silent and I think that's the point where I finally realized what was going on. I wasn't 'good naturedly ribbing' everyone. I wasn't 'being passionate about the game'. I was being an unmitigated donkey-cave. I stopped gaming for a while and really had to figure out what was going on. It took something like that before I realized that things were really wrong.

It takes a long time to change habits. And you have to sit and work out the underlying reasons for WHY you started acting like that. There turned out to be some very bad anger issues I had to work out that had been bleeding over into my gaming experiences. As I've aged, I've mellowed out a lot, and it's made things more pleasant for myself and my friends as well.

Every game begins with a polite thanking for playing and ends the same way (along with an offered handshake now). Voice is not allowed to be raised. If there's a rules dispute, the book comes out immediately, or we get a third party, or just dice it off.

I don't want to be that person; the guy everyone hates to be around.

Yes, some TFG are just monstrous donkey-caves. Some... have problems they have to deal with, too. They don't know how, and this is how it manifests. They need help.