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 The Great Wolf wrote:
That is just absolutely terrible!
At my FLGS I have walked around watching battles taking place in the past and have seen people acting like this.
I just dont understand the mentality of people like that, why play the game if you are just going to throw accusations and act like a right idiot to your opponent?
I think people must just take the game too seriously these days and become too competitive... because when I play, I play for the fun value alone win or lose.

I think its because they don't take the game at face value, often delving or thinking too deep into a game. Where as a person like you and I would just remember its a game, meant for entertainment and shrug off unexpected outcomes, they see it as something that has consumed a lot of their time, or something that they must win and be good at, to boost ego, or to make up for unhappy happenings in their life.

Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

It's honestly this sort of behavior that's lead me to never play a game at Games Workshop. When you all play a hobby, and enjoy a hobby.. why the hate? There is so few of us out there (at least in my area) that there's no reason to drive the community apart.

And if you don't bring something to deal with a flier, and complain about it, thats your fault.

 Ascalam wrote:
Yeah.

Some gamers are ridiculously childish.

I've seen 'whoops...sorry' broken models and thrown land raiders.

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

That kind of stuff is really crossing a line. Pitch a fit, throw your own stuff if you really have the need, but destroying someone elses property...well I wouldnt look down on a person who handed out a whipping on those grounds.

I myself cannot start a physical altercation, I may only respond if attacked...I carry a firearm, licensed of course, and that requires a higher degree of self control than others can get away with.


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 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

 Mad4Minis wrote:


Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

Welcome to Europe. It's been like this for a while here...and it sucks.

conker249 wrote:
I was in a match, my orks vs Dark Eldar, versing someone i have never played before but heard a lot about from our flgs. First turn the guy is a jerk, he went first and moved all his raiders and ravengers to 30 inches away, since my lootas range is 36. I see that he measured and then turned his ship, so during my turn I fired with my lootas and he laughs and says he has nightshields, I told him that i know what they are and im still shooting at 29 inches. he throws a fit saying im cheating with my ruler. Then calls my lootas overpowered since i rolled a 6 on the d3, fired 15 shots into a raider, he gets pissy at me for doing that, killing off a 85 point model, while during his turn he kills off 150 points of killakans. I told him to make better judgment on premeasuring everything. Turn 3 my dakka jet comes in and he is screaming OP at me since he said dark eldar have do not have any good flyers. told him my 135 point flier is just fine, his 145 flyer with 2 dark lances, splinter cannon, and 4 missiles stock is plenty fine. not my fault he thinks it sucks and didnt want to get an ageis defense line, (he has the flier in his army box, just didnt bring it) Turn 5 he was beating me through questionable rolls, overly powerfull grotesques, and among other things, my friends are just watching and wondering why I am putting up with it, I dont know either really, just didnt think he would be that bad, cursing, yelling, throwing dice across the room, all in front of his 5 year old kid, he is 35. he beats me 6 to 4 kill points, and im just glad its over. never playing him again, anyone else have stories like this about TFG?

Sounds like a total tool.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:


Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

Welcome to Europe. It's been like this for a while here...and it sucks.

"Things aren't as good as they used to be!" Said every human in history that wasn't starving/ being stabbed/ dying of plague.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Yeah.

Some gamers are ridiculously childish.

I've seen 'whoops...sorry' broken models and thrown land raiders.

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

That kind of stuff is really crossing a line. Pitch a fit, throw your own stuff if you really have the need, but destroying someone elses property...well I wouldnt look down on a person who handed out a whipping on those grounds.

I myself cannot start a physical altercation, I may only respond if attacked...I carry a firearm, licensed of course, and that requires a higher degree of self control than others can get away with.


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 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Welcome to the new wimpy, whiny America...everyone wins, no one loses, everyone is special...hell they have even removed dodgeball from schools because its too violent and favors the physically superior people. This country is slipping to a really bad place...

I remember dodge ball. That game rocked. I wasn't the strongest but I was awesome at that game.

On topic, I've never come across someone with really bad sportsmanship, the closest was probably me quitting turn 1 one game when I went from a 1750 army to about 750 if that, but it was just against my brother in my garage and we could just have a second game real quick after. He had suffered no damage turn 1, I had one platoon and a CCS left. It was all over, we both agreed. Its the earliest time I've ever seen a game end, and I've certainly never seen the whole throwing-a-model-smashing-shouting-etc deal.

Off topic, and the actual thing I wanted to post, but that dodgeball thing is odd, in Queensland in Australia teachers get told that 'using a red pen is too aggressive towards the students', yet we still played bastardized games of AFL in PE in which you didn't want to jump in the air lest you get wrecked by a shouldercharge while you aren't in contact with the ground. It was an odd line to draw in the sand, that pen colour can discourage learning, but bashing eachother is sweet.

 wowsmash wrote:
Nope I blame the school system. This is what happens when you give every kid a trophy instead of teaching kids how to lose gracefully. When I was growing up if you wanted to be better than everybody else then you had to work hard to get there and even then some people that have talent in that area are still going to be better. And you know what that's ok. Not everybody can be an professional NBA or NFL player. Not everybody. An sing well. I'm constantly amazed when watching American idol when these kids that are terrible get up there and sing in front of he whole country and it turns into a train wreck. And they don't understand that they can't sing. And they'll sit there and argo with the judges. I just want to grab that kids parents a ask them how they can fail the child so much to not be honest with them and let that happen.

Jeez, y'know,, I think people are over estimating how much that happens. Yes there PC times when i recieved an award for things i just did(like doing all my homework)
But the "Give everyone a trophy" is very much a myth. I think it is more parents showering praise for small things then any big "Everyone is a winner" mentality.

Im not gonna lie, I have chucked my own models back into the case, and tossed dice/thrown them in the trash mid game. As well as letting loose all kinds of awful words.

BUT, never at my opponents, and only during friendly games where my opponent knew I was not actually mad at them. Its ok to get angry about gakky dice rolling, or just botching a game. It's not alright to complain endlessly about your opponents army and try to make them miserable over it.

With that said, anymore when I run into these kind of players, thankfully rarely, I just tell them to man up and remind them its just a game. Thats really all it takes. Tell someone they are acting like a child, and 90% of the time they shut up and at worse go into passive aggressive mode.

Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

My mentor teacher and I went through the same thing with the red pen. He teaches a writing class that focuses on hammering the rules of grammar into students. Once they get grammar, they can focus on writing a clear, concise, and well written paper. His grading style was this: Mark every grammar or spelling error and mark it with a number. Once you hit 8 errors, draw a big line across the page and grade it 60% (5 points for every mistake) and hand it back to the student. The student then gets to rewrite the paper, fixing those grammar mistakes and looking for ones in the paper he had not caught yet (my mentor teacher stops reading the paper when he reaches 8 errors). Then once he can get through the entire paper without catching 8 errors, he grades it like a normal paper, looking at content, etc... Then averages that score with all the rewrites and that is how he grades the paper. He and I used red pen because it was eye catching, and would draw your attention to the mistakes so you could fix them. It was never meant to degrade the kids... I argued that with a professor too lol...

 Alfndrate wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Elementary schools still play dodgeball in my area (subbed for gym many times), but not the upper levels. Also, the 'red pen' thing is here as well. When I was student teaching, I was told to use a green or purple pen to grade papers. Red wasn't allowed. I'd prefer to use red because I like the color. Once we get used to 'green' or 'purple,' in thirty years (or less) they'll be colors frowned upon as well. Why can't kids just grade their own papers how they want, huh?

My mentor teacher and I went through the same thing with the red pen. He teaches a writing class that focuses on hammering the rules of grammar into students. Once they get grammar, they can focus on writing a clear, concise, and well written paper. His grading style was this: Mark every grammar or spelling error and mark it with a number. Once you hit 8 errors, draw a big line across the page and grade it 60% (5 points for every mistake) and hand it back to the student. The student then gets to rewrite the paper, fixing those grammar mistakes and looking for ones in the paper he had not caught yet (my mentor teacher stops reading the paper when he reaches 8 errors). Then once he can get through the entire paper without catching 8 errors, he grades it like a normal paper, looking at content, etc... Then averages that score with all the rewrites and that is how he grades the paper. He and I used red pen because it was eye catching, and would draw your attention to the mistakes so you could fix them. It was never meant to degrade the kids... I argued that with a professor too lol...

Sounds like a damn good teacher. If I was still in the teaching field, I'd probably have to poach his methodology. Since I'm not, hopefully someone else can/will.

Depends on the part of the country your in. Just beucase they don't do it in your area doesnt mean it doesn't happen. I'm in Cali and they do some seriously stupid crap out here.

 azreal13 wrote:

As the survivor of a hurled (metal) dread attack, I beg to differ!

At least you got a free Dread out of it

I have seen plenty of little kids have tantrums when I still visited GW stores but never an adult, then again I am farily selective over who I game with.

I will smash all your faces in dodgeball!!!11one11

But yeah, the OP story is an example of a person that will only ever play anyone one time... then they will refuse to play him again and he will be unable to get games. It takes care of itself if people don't put up with it. My time to game is limited and I would surely have just packed up and played someone else by the end of the first turn if faced with TFG in a friendly. Even in a tournament I do silly stuff when playing TFG, it makes them nuts!

I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

I hope so too, bad sportsmanship is the most entertaining topic on Dakka.

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

These sounds very interesting, it sure is fun to read about the nutters in the world.

 odorofdeath wrote:
I'm waiting for someone to re-tell the old story about the kid who tried to eat his opponent's model.

Or the one about the woman who had her breasts fondled by a stranger in a GW.

Hopefully someone can find these old gems and dredge them back up

Not gonna dredge through the entire thread looking for them, but the whole thread itself is amusing.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/254849.page
I think its back from when Frazzled was a mod too.

The paint eating one is one of the best

 BladeWalker wrote:
I will smash all your faces in dodgeball!!!11one11

But yeah, the OP story is an example of a person that will only ever play anyone one time... then they will refuse to play him again and he will be unable to get games. It takes care of itself if people don't put up with it. My time to game is limited and I would surely have just packed up and played someone else by the end of the first turn if faced with TFG in a friendly. Even in a tournament I do silly stuff when playing TFG, it makes them nuts!

that is how it is, the manager wont play him or any of the locals anymore, my friend challenged him once before me, both of us are done playing him at all. he acts that way with MTG as well except he rips his cards and stomps off

Magic players who tear up their cards should be encouraged.

As a CCG, it makes everyone else's cards that much more rare and therefore more valuable. It also means there are fewer magic cards in the universe (so win-win).

at my FLGS they almost banned yu-gi-oh.
Someone took M&M's and crushed them into the floor outta anger.

When grown men or even kids start to fight over little plastic spacemen, that's when humanity has reached it's lowest point.

Not directly bad sportsmanship, but we have a family that comes into my LGS. Dad, mom, and about 3 spawn. 1 or 2 of the kids tend to run around and grab other peoples models. The dad proceeds to glare at you when you tell his kids not to touch your stuff. The third spawn is a baby who is parked in its stroller for hours on end. And when it starts to scream and cry about whatever, the mom responds by doing absolutely nothing. This often leads to trying to play next to a child who can cry for 30 minutes to an hour straight.

Tell them to get out. Glare back. Use stun guns.

To keep my cool on these things is this:

It is only a game as long as we abide by the rules, any other instance is cheating / poor sportsmanship and does not meet the definition of a game.

I can look at OP units, evil combinations especially with allies and smile, because sometimes people just like to show they can rules lawyer as well as the next guy.

I know my rules pretty darn good so I can show a few moments of spamming the rules, if needed to get them to back-off a bit. Typically with a new player, letting many things slide is the way to go. At the end of the day, we both need to enjoy the game or this is all pointless.

To be someone's punching bag for a rough life or their need to dominate others does at least need to be pointed out. To get the goat of these "TFG"'s I like throwing gauntlets like "that model is going to die and there is nothing you can do about it", it is a crazy kind of freaking out they do when you say things like that.

I show I am a fair player and give benefit of the doubt, if I do not see that in my second game with that person, I have better things to do with my time and move on for good.

Remember these people are looking for attention and to show how "awesome" they are, do not give it to them or an audience. Punish them the best way you can: ignore them.

I must admit the most evil, nasty, poor sportsmanship, rules lawyering, foul mouthed instances all happen with my friends! It is more theatre than real but at least we feel we have a right to abuse each other in the most respectful of ways. Total strangers need to earn that right.

Thanks for the stories and have fun gaming!

 Ascalam wrote:

I've seen one guy jump up and down on another guy's monolith when he couldn't kill it in game.

Justifiable homicide is what they call the aftermath of this, am I right?