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Post by: Kroothawk
Stickmonkey wrote:Argh! I wrote up a nice little bit for you guys on some new design work and due to the wonders of transversing wireless networks the post was lost. So frustrating.
Well I'll leave a teaser here and come back and edit it to fill it in when I get time later. Sorry blokes, I just dont have time to redo it all now...
These are all wip and no release timing is available. Codex SM is not underway, so these may be a splash release or could be a long way off.
New tactical squad. Hvy flamer. Mk 8 style
Edit: there are more mk 8 bits here than before, but there are still "beakies" too. Includes many options not released before in plastic, including a Hvy flamer, a backpack style (read devastator) missile launcher w flakk missile, slings on bolters, power weapon options. Basically think of all the blinged out options you get w a BA, SW, GK box and now apply it to tactical marines. Poses are all standing, but they aren't as static.
New assault squad. New jump packs. New weapon options
Edit: retooling similar to tac squad. The jump packs are all new, but don't get knickers in a twist cause they are the same style as current ones. They just look better cause the seam is not there. New cc options in the sprue include thss and lc. There is a few new options in here I can't reveal.
New librarian mini sprue. Codex options included
Edit: this is where the librarian/chaplain kit I saw a long time ago went. Has a force sword or staff, has combi weapons, has pistols. Two heads. All in mini sprue. It's 2 mini sprues. Only options from current codex not present are jump pack, bike, or TA. No info on where chaplain went.
New Techmarine mini sprue. Conversion Beamer.
Edit: very similar to current tech ax Techmarine. Layered body. Has tech ax, tech sword, plasma pistol, combi weapons, couple variants on servo arms, and conversion Beamer. 2 mini sprues.
Edit: on both these mini sprue characters the heads and weapons are compatible with existing line. But the arms/bodies are unique.
New scout box. New sculpts. Combined boxes. New options.
Edit: includes some new scout only weapons. Heads are less bulky. All codex options present in one box.
New flyer. Interceptor/bomber. Flat but boxy. Storm raven sized. No transport. No hover. Heavy assault cannon and ff missiles. Or bombs and servo drones in gun pods.
Edit: shares wing/engine aesthetics of storm raven, but fuselage is flatter. Wings not as bent. No thrusters in wingtips. Two tail options, one for each build.
New scout transport. Like Tauros ( FW ig) but open wagon style. Halo warthog mashed w rhino. Pintle TL HB.
Edit: rumored rule only will allow pintle weapon when unit is embarked. Fast vehicle. 4 buggy style wheels. Rider models/bits compatible with new scout box. Roughly rhino sized. For Baja race fans think armored sandrail.
Cheers. Like I mentioned, these are likely a long way off, and I will fill in more later.
How many Flyers are they going to give the Marines? Seems like overkill.
So far as I know these will be the only new ones, but it's a dual kit. Add it to the storm talon and you have 3. I have it on good authority the storm raven will not become a codex release. And there is an awareness SM lack a transport flyer currently.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
New Techmarine mini sprue. Conversion Beamer.
Edit: very similar to current tech ax Techmarine. Layered body. Has tech ax, tech sword, plasma pistol, combi weapons, couple variants on servo arms, and conversion Beamer. 2 mini sprues.
All of my money. All of it.
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Post by: psychadelicmime
Mk 8 tac squad? 
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Post by: pretre
Apparently Stick isn't phased by the tracker. 
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Post by: Commander Cain
Hmm, interesting. Some MK8 stuff would be nice to have.
Sounds like a decent amount of stuff to not be a new codex release, no complaints from me though!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Maybe they've learnt that people like different armour makes, so they're putting various things into the sprues so people can make various different combinations (and as Mk.VIII is the hardest to get, some more bitz for that'd be nice).
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Post by: Brother SRM
We got pretty similar rumors on Space Marine armor back with the 5th ed Space Marine codex. I wouldn't be surprised if GW put out a new tac squad kit that was 5 dudes for $33 like they've been doing though. I don't put any credence in Stickmonkey rumors; especially not ones that sound a bit wishlisty like that.
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Post by: pretre
 Brother SRM wrote: I don't put any credence in Stickmonkey rumors; especially not ones that sound a bit wishlisty like that.
Stickmonkey has a pretty good record...
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Post by: Alpharius
That's what jumped out at me too - nice!
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Post by: Nevelon
Any idea on a timeframe for this? I need to start budgeting if even half of this is true...
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Post by: Bolognesus
Dunno, it'd feel strange to update the perfectly fine tac squad instead of making a nice multi-pose plastic veteran kit.
...which incidentally would jive well with the in fluff still rare and mostly available to veterans mkVIII armour, if i recall correctly.
...or perhaps the tacs and vets build from the same box; hey, it's all power armour anyway 
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Post by: Rayvon
 Nevelon wrote:Any idea on a timeframe for this? I need to start budgeting if even half of this is true...
these may be a splash release or could be a long way off
Thats all he knows.
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Post by: BladeWalker
If you throw enough stuff, something will stick(monkey)!
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Post by: pretre
Again, this is something levelled against Stickmonkey that simply isn't correct. Stickmonkey has a good history for rumors (especially considering how far out he generally posts), unlike some folks who do just throw things at the wall to see what sticks.
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Post by: BladeWalker
My bad. Carry on. 
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
New scout transport. Like Tauros (FW ig) but open wagon style. Halo warthog mashed w rhino. Pintle TL HB.
Edit: rumored rule only will allow pintle weapon when unit is embarked. Fast vehicle. 4 buggy style wheels. Rider models/bits compatible with new scout box. Roughly rhino sized. For Baja race fans think armored sandrail.
Buggies! I love buggies!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Good looking scouts?
Plastic tech marine?
Good looking flier?
Jeep?
Is GW trying to break me?
It won't work... it won't work I say... it won't...
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Post by: megatrons2nd
The only problem with Stickmonkey is he can't seem to get a date right. No fault on him do to the time he sees stuff, and the way they shift schedules around. I think he does a great job.
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Post by: pretre
Yeah, agreed, dates are his bane.
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Post by: CaptainLoken
I just want to know if the whole "the Tau are our salvation" fluff rumor is true. I REALLY hope that it is not true, as it would fly in the face of years of existing fluff, not to mention invalidating Black Library novels and such. I can see GW Marketing doing this, however. Pair the worst selling line with the bestselling line, and watch the bucks fly in! Of course, they could make the Tau a better selling line if they would UPDATE their Codex….oops, just reset the timer. Sorry guys.
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Post by: pretre
That rumor was disproven when 6th ed came out. It came from Tasty and it was originally posted as a 'sixth edition makes this happen' rumor.
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Post by: Zygrot24
Hurgh. I want all of those things. I really, really hope tac box stays 10 man though.
Librarian and tech marine mini sprue boxes are 10/10 A+ zomg here's my money now gimme gimme.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Mmmmmmmm Heavy Flamer option for Tac Squads. I really may need to restart my Salamanders. I love me some twin linked firestorms of doom.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 pretre wrote:That rumor was disproven when 6th ed came out. It came from Tasty and it was originally posted as a 'sixth edition makes this happen' rumor.
I would call it pending, as it would explain an otherwise silly " SM and Tau are battlebrothers". We will see with the Tau Codex.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
 Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:That rumor was disproven when 6th ed came out. It came from Tasty and it was originally posted as a 'sixth edition makes this happen' rumor.
I would call it pending, as it would explain an otherwise silly " SM and Tau are battlebrothers". We will see with the Tau Codex.
I seriously doubt the story line will go "Help us Tau-y-wan Kenobi you're our only hope." but rather something along the lines of the Inquisition wanting to get closer to the only Xeno faction that is immune to the Warp to take advantage of them. At least I hope it isn't 40k Tau = Jesus. 
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Post by: Jaon
Stickmonkey was so horribly wrong about everything in the IG and GK releases that I hold no credence for his early rumours. Whether its his fault they are inaccurate remains to be seen...
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Post by: pretre
Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:That rumor was disproven when 6th ed came out. It came from Tasty and it was originally posted as a 'sixth edition makes this happen' rumor.
I would call it pending, as it would explain an otherwise silly " SM and Tau are battlebrothers". We will see with the Tau Codex.
I've listed it as FALSE for now, although I would certainly revisit if a later codex changes things, as there was zero indication in the 6th ed book that this was the new direction.
Jaon wrote:Stickmonkey was so horribly wrong about everything in the IG and GK releases that I hold no credence for his early rumours. Whether its his fault they are inaccurate remains to be seen...
Stickmonkey is running about 60% accurate, which is pretty damn good when you consider how far out he predicts.
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Post by: Compel
The thing is, the way I heard it, the policy was that GW were not going to remake any kits that were available (in plastic??) already, instead they were focussing on adding new units in.
EG, why there's new raptors combo kitted with Warp Talons (a new unit) as opposed to new chaos marine troops.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
pretre wrote:Kroothawk wrote: pretre wrote:That rumor was disproven when 6th ed came out. It came from Tasty and it was originally posted as a 'sixth edition makes this happen' rumor.
I would call it pending, as it would explain an otherwise silly " SM and Tau are battlebrothers". We will see with the Tau Codex.
I've listed it as FALSE for now, although I would certainly revisit if a later codex changes things, as there was zero indication in the 6th ed book that this was the new direction.
Jaon wrote:Stickmonkey was so horribly wrong about everything in the IG and GK releases that I hold no credence for his early rumours. Whether its his fault they are inaccurate remains to be seen...
Stickmonkey is running about 60% accurate, which is pretty damn good when you consider how far out he predicts.
When flinging poo from further away the chances it sticks increases?
Kidding of course I agree his accuracy given the distance in time is pretty impressive.
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Post by: Alpharius
60% accurate is a slight hop way from...50%, and all that implies.
This doesn't sound super-awesome, but I guess it still puts him towards the top of the list?
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Alpharius wrote:60% accurate is a slight hop way from...50%, and all that implies.
This doesn't sound super-awesome, but I guess it still puts him towards the top of the list?
What would 50% imply? This isn't tossing coins.
Just randomly shouting out ... dunno ... X will get released on Y and A will have a unit called B doesn't have a coin-toss chance of being true.
It's rumours. Over 50% is very good IMO. Given that it's rumours, I wouldn't expect more than 5% or 10% to be spot-on for most people even if they have a source.
I wouldn't expect people making gak up to ever get over 1%.
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Post by: Cerebrium
Tac Squads will remain 10-man in one box, I'll eat my own shoes if they don't. They're one of the few units in fluff to have strict guidelines governing unit size, and GW would be mad (or rather, MADDER) to stop selling a full tactical squad in one box.
I love scouts, so new models and a new transport sounds cool.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Alpharius wrote:60% accurate is a slight hop way from...50%, and all that implies.
This doesn't sound super-awesome, but I guess it still puts him towards the top of the list?
50% right for a yes /no question would not be impressive
50% describing a unit/loadout for a given GW faction of which there are loads as far out as he seem to do IS impressive
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Post by: Kroothawk
Everyone is free to believe or not believe rumours on things more than a year in the future, futile to force someone in either direction.
Stickmonkey has made correct and incorrect long-time predictions. And it is obvious that he doesn't make them up, but gets them from early production stages. Release dates are scheduled later, and even Harry is cautious to predict those (remember that a lot of ready products wait years for a release). Personally I trust these rumours as blurry views into the far future, esp. as we don't have anything else in that direction.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
These better come out 8-10 months after my tau, so i can afford these.
Also, the librarian mini?
I dont care if i have to promise GW my first born son, i want that.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
 hotsauceman1 wrote:These better come out 8-10 months after my tau, so i can afford these.
Also, the librarian mini?
I dont care if i have to promise GW my first born son, i want that.
I would love for all the HQs to come in plastic kits with all the options. I can dream right?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 CaptainLoken wrote:I just want to know if the whole "the Tau are our salvation" fluff rumor is true. I REALLY hope that it is not true, as it would fly in the face of years of existing fluff, not to mention invalidating Black Library novels and such. I can see GW Marketing doing this, however. Pair the worst selling line with the bestselling line, and watch the bucks fly in! Of course, they could make the Tau a better selling line if they would UPDATE their Codex….oops, just reset the timer. Sorry guys.
In order for that to be true GW would have had to say Battle Sisters are our salvation.
But that would also require GW actually wanting Battle Sisters to sell as opposed to quietly strangling them.
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: CaptainLoken wrote:I just want to know if the whole "the Tau are our salvation" fluff rumor is true. I REALLY hope that it is not true, as it would fly in the face of years of existing fluff, not to mention invalidating Black Library novels and such. I can see GW Marketing doing this, however. Pair the worst selling line with the bestselling line, and watch the bucks fly in! Of course, they could make the Tau a better selling line if they would UPDATE their Codex….oops, just reset the timer. Sorry guys.
In order for that to be true GW would have had to say Battle Sisters are our salvation.
But that would also require GW actually wanting Battle Sisters to sell as opposed to quietly strangling them.
I think you mean the Silent Sisters. As far as I know Sisters of Battle are not the psychic pariahs that the Silent Sisters in the HH were. I could be wrong since I have never cared for the SoB.
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Post by: Dysartes
 OverwatchCNC wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: CaptainLoken wrote:I just want to know if the whole "the Tau are our salvation" fluff rumor is true. I REALLY hope that it is not true, as it would fly in the face of years of existing fluff, not to mention invalidating Black Library novels and such. I can see GW Marketing doing this, however. Pair the worst selling line with the bestselling line, and watch the bucks fly in! Of course, they could make the Tau a better selling line if they would UPDATE their Codex….oops, just reset the timer. Sorry guys.
In order for that to be true GW would have had to say Battle Sisters are our salvation.
But that would also require GW actually wanting Battle Sisters to sell as opposed to quietly strangling them.
I think you mean the Silent Sisters. As far as I know Sisters of Battle are not the psychic pariahs that the Silent Sisters in the HH were. I could be wrong since I have never cared for the SoB.
I nthink you missed the "worst-selling line" point KK was making...
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
No I mean that Sisters must be the worst selling line.
All metal? Ridiculously expensive? No real chance for customization? Models 10-15 years old? Sub-par rules?
I mean really, how could they not be?
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Post by: OverwatchCNC
Dysartes wrote: OverwatchCNC wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote: CaptainLoken wrote:I just want to know if the whole "the Tau are our salvation" fluff rumor is true. I REALLY hope that it is not true, as it would fly in the face of years of existing fluff, not to mention invalidating Black Library novels and such. I can see GW Marketing doing this, however. Pair the worst selling line with the bestselling line, and watch the bucks fly in! Of course, they could make the Tau a better selling line if they would UPDATE their Codex….oops, just reset the timer. Sorry guys.
In order for that to be true GW would have had to say Battle Sisters are our salvation.
But that would also require GW actually wanting Battle Sisters to sell as opposed to quietly strangling them.
I think you mean the Silent Sisters. As far as I know Sisters of Battle are not the psychic pariahs that the Silent Sisters in the HH were. I could be wrong since I have never cared for the SoB.
I nthink you missed the "worst-selling line" point KK was making...
Kid_Kyoto wrote:No I mean that Sisters must be the worst selling line.
All metal? Ridiculously expensive? No real chance for customization? Models 10-15 years old? Sub-par rules?
I mean really, how could they not be?
 ya, you two are right, derp.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Alpharius wrote:60% accurate is a slight hop way from...50%, and all that implies.
This doesn't sound super-awesome, but I guess it still puts him towards the top of the list?
SO far as i care all he needs to be is roughly 20% accurate - because of everything he lists what I really want is the MK VIII armor!!!
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Interesting note: In the Sisters of Battle book Hammer & Anvil the SoB use a vehicle called a Venator.
Pretty much every single new Necron unit was mentioned in the book with exact details. The SoB had 2 things they currently do not, the Venator and Gun-Servitors.
The Venator is not the same as the FW one, in the book it was described as a 5 person transport with a heavy bolter on top. It was also pretty much open topped.
Perhaps SoB will get their own version of the above mentioned kit, or perhaps the above kit is actually a SoB kit and not a SM kit.
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Post by: Ronin
Isn't Mk. 8 just the same as Mk. 7 but with a gorget? They're pretty awesome looking but I always think of the Mk. 8 as being reserved for squad sergeants and the like.
Still, if any/all of this was true, that would be pretty neat. I just hope, hope that the new Tactical squads dont come in boxes of 5. That would just suck.
I'd personally rather see plastic Sisters than more Marines, but at least a new plastic kit for them would be cool. I've just been assembling some and the kit is starting to show its age a little...
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Post by: Byte
Time frame? Did I miss it?
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Post by: Bolognesus
 MadCowCrazy wrote:Interesting note: In the Sisters of Battle book Hammer & Anvil the SoB use a vehicle called a Venator.
Pretty much every single new Necron unit was mentioned in the book with exact details. The SoB had 2 things they currently do not, the Venator and Gun-Servitors.
The Venator is not the same as the FW one, in the book it was described as a 5 person transport with a heavy bolter on top. It was also pretty much open topped.
Perhaps SoB will get their own version of the above mentioned kit, or perhaps the above kit is actually a SoB kit and not a SM kit.
would it perchance be something like this?
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Yes, I know FW makes one but the one in the book was more of a light transport than a light assault vehicle.
There were 5 SoB inside the vehicle if I'm not mistaken, and it was described as enclosed with a back door and a heavy bolter on top.
The picture I got in my head when reading was something similar to the Japanese LAV.
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Wow, I remember having to pull one of those things up a hill.
The marines left the parking break on as a prank toward our group.
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Post by: Happygrunt
I know it is unlikely, but I would love if BA got the jeep.
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Post by: Orlanth
 H.B.M.C. wrote:New Techmarine mini sprue. Conversion Beamer.
Edit: very similar to current tech ax Techmarine. Layered body. Has tech ax, tech sword, plasma pistol, combi weapons, couple variants on servo arms, and conversion Beamer. 2 mini sprues.
All of my money. All of it.
For all your bile about GW you are like the abused wife who after dithering about pressing charges after sporting her latest pair of black eyes rushes back to hubby crying "but I love him".
We gamers are more alike than we care to admit
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Post by: Alpharius
 Zweischneid wrote: Alpharius wrote:60% accurate is a slight hop way from...50%, and all that implies.
This doesn't sound super-awesome, but I guess it still puts him towards the top of the list?
What would 50% imply? This isn't tossing coins.
No kidding!
It isn't anything more sinister than 'half of what he posts isn't going to happen!'
I'll be more than happy if the MKVIII part is true though - then, it will be All Hail Stickmonkey, All The Time!
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Post by: Breotan
SM's record on digital products is utter crap. Worse even than guessing.
Here's October's example:
October releases:
Codex: CSM (going up same weekend as codex released) TRUE
How to paint: CSM PENDING
Tactica: CSM PENDING
And a few more WFB TOO VAGUE
Notice how there is NOTHING there about either of the "A Call To Arms" items. "How To Paint Citadel Miniatures: Alpha Legion" is different from his rumor (and in fact invalidates it) because it shows that the H2P series is going by legion just as it is started out the loyalists by chapter (Ultramarines). Pretre should really just mark that as FALSE.
Also, notice how Tactica didn't get released and his WFB thing doesn't even qualify as a half-arsed attept at rumormongering.
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Post by: pretre
We should probably take the accuracy discussion over to the accuracy thread.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And avoid have every rumour thread descend into "He's not accurate". That's really fething dull... PM sent to avoid having my post replaced with red text.
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Post by: pretre
I know, right?
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Bolognesus wrote: MadCowCrazy wrote:Interesting note: In the Sisters of Battle book Hammer & Anvil the SoB use a vehicle called a Venator.
Pretty much every single new Necron unit was mentioned in the book with exact details. The SoB had 2 things they currently do not, the Venator and Gun-Servitors.
The Venator is not the same as the FW one, in the book it was described as a 5 person transport with a heavy bolter on top. It was also pretty much open topped.
Perhaps SoB will get their own version of the above mentioned kit, or perhaps the above kit is actually a SoB kit and not a SM kit.
would it perchance be something like this?
There was some discussion of a transport version of that. I don't remember if it was in the IA, or in the FW fluff bits about the chassis.
I had forgotten the Venator from Hammer&anvil. Interesting.
I hope the scout rumors are true...
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Post by: Dentry
I'm probably in the minority in that I hope these kits don't come out too soon. I'd be fine with it being five years out. It would give me a chance to at least enjoy the boxes of marines I've got laying around.
As for the SoB stuff mentioned in this thread, weren't there product codes for plastic kits listed in that big Release Schedule of sorts that popped up awhile ago?
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Post by: Melissia
Yeah, there were a few infantry units listed in them, such as an apparent alternative use for seraphim models.
No further rumors or information though. As usual, for Sisters.
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Post by: Brother SRM
 Melissia wrote:Yeah, there were a few infantry units listed in them, such as an apparent alternative use for seraphim models.
No further rumors or information though. As usual, for Sisters.
It implied Sisters having a release shortly beforehand and the ones in that list being a second wave of sorts. We're still yet to see anything come out of that list since it's so far out though.
I'm honestly pretty okay with these being far out. I'm busy enough as is between my Guard and the new Chaos stuff.
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Post by: smUrfsrUs
MadCowCrazy wrote:Interesting note: In the Sisters of Battle book Hammer & Anvil the SoB use a vehicle called a Venator.
Pretty much every single new Necron unit was mentioned in the book with exact details. The SoB had 2 things they currently do not, the Venator and Gun-Servitors.
The Venator is not the same as the FW one, in the book it was described as a 5 person transport with a heavy bolter on top. It was also pretty much open topped.
Perhaps SoB will get their own version of the above mentioned kit, or perhaps the above kit is actually a SoB kit and not a SM kit.
You just described an immolator which is a SoB rhino that can only transport 6 models and has either a tl heavy flamer, mm or heavy bolter on top.
Hope the heavy flamer thing is true, can finally use the tacticle marine with one in a normal game instead of having to use home rules.
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Post by: Lockark
If the SM Tac squad is getting a recut like that, I'm realy hopeing we might get to see a simular treatment for the CSM squad box.
The Mk.8 armour thing is prety cool, thow I hope they include more options for bare heads and varitiy in the kind of faces you get. (I have a simular hope for the CSM box. But that's kinda off topic and I've already wishlisted enough....)
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Post by: DIDM
unfortunately all my $$$$$ is somehow getting sucked back 10,000 terran years in monthly stipends
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Post by: Orlanth
Read the second line as well as the first.
Its very common especially here - to buy GW models and hate the company. Some are angsty about it!
Getting people to laugh at themselves is normally a very Aussie form of social medicine. Pity it was mistaken for bile.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And this is a text medium. You know that.
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Post by: Melissia
Brother SRM wrote: Melissia wrote:Yeah, there were a few infantry units listed in them, such as an apparent alternative use for seraphim models.
No further rumors or information though. As usual, for Sisters.
It implied Sisters having a release shortly beforehand and the ones in that list being a second wave of sorts. We're still yet to see anything come out of that list since it's so far out though.
I'm honestly pretty okay with these being far out. I'm busy enough as is between my Guard and the new Chaos stuff.
And I've pretty much sworn off the tabletop game (sticking to novels and FFG's roleplaying games) for some time now, because of GW's abuse and neglect towards Sisters, so it's not like I'm expecting them any time soon either.
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Post by: Alpharius
Though to be fair, coming into the "Early Space Marine Rumours by Stickmonkey" thread looking for Sisters info was probably going to find you disappointed no matter what...
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Alpharius wrote:Though to be fair, coming into the "Early Space Marine Rumours by Stickmonkey" thread looking for Sisters info was probably going to find you disappointed no matter what...
Not really, us Sisters of Battle players are desperate enough to see that as a viable strategy to find rumours...
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Melissia wrote: Brother SRM wrote: Melissia wrote:Yeah, there were a few infantry units listed in them, such as an apparent alternative use for seraphim models.
No further rumors or information though. As usual, for Sisters.
It implied Sisters having a release shortly beforehand and the ones in that list being a second wave of sorts. We're still yet to see anything come out of that list since it's so far out though.
I'm honestly pretty okay with these being far out. I'm busy enough as is between my Guard and the new Chaos stuff.
And I've pretty much sworn off the tabletop game (sticking to novels and FFG's roleplaying games) for some time now, because of GW's abuse and neglect towards Sisters, so it's not like I'm expecting them any time soon either.
Really, just start collecting Space MArines, give 'em corsets, and call them 'Brothers of Battle'
Ultimate win, you get up to date mini's, good codex, and something '...of battle'.
Anyways I really like the rumors. Huzaah! Moar marines!
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Post by: Zweischneid
MadCowCrazy wrote: Alpharius wrote:Though to be fair, coming into the "Early Space Marine Rumours by Stickmonkey" thread looking for Sisters info was probably going to find you disappointed no matter what...
Not really, us Sisters of Battle players are desperate enough to see that as a viable strategy to find rumours...
Well. In a way it does.
If (!) Stickmonkey's Space Marine rumours are true, it would perhaps somewhat confirm the Summer 2013 List leaked in August (which had stuff like "200464511440201 Space Marine Techmarine with Artificer Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc", etc..).
And that list, in turn, also had some Sisters stuff on it.
280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL a18 Len_A 02 cc
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Post by: aka_mythos
 Ronin wrote:Isn't Mk. 8 just the same as Mk. 7 but with a gorget? They're pretty awesome looking but I always think of the Mk. 8 as being reserved for squad sergeants and the like.
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MK8 as its been represented in concept art is a bit more extensively different than the plastic kits represent. The plastic kit shows it as just a different torso, while the artwork shows distinctive arms and leg armor as well as a more rounded off helmet. That said, I'm doubtful GW will ever make a bigger deal of MK8 armor.
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Post by: schadenfreude
Sisters make a fantastic allied detachment. 10 sisters + Celestine + exorcist + 5 outflanking dominions with 2 melta fits into just about any imperial list. The main reason we don't see it is the models. New exorcist, plastic sisters, and fine cast celestine should= good sales.
On a scale of 1-10 on the believably of a new tac marine box being released shortly after tac marines are no longer available in the starter box I give it a 10. The response from the sm player base already seems to be shut upmand take my money.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Actually, Stickmonkey debunked that his list has anything to do with the debunked list.
Won't stop Sororitas players to continue hijacking this thread though.
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Post by: SickSix
Sounds awesome if true! Although I would expect a new Tac Box to cost $50. Cause you know, you should pay more if you expect to get all the options for a unit listed in the codex :rolleyes:
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I just hope the Tac Box isn’t 5-men strong and remains 10-men.
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Post by: Dentry
 aka_mythos wrote: Ronin wrote:Isn't Mk. 8 just the same as Mk. 7 but with a gorget? They're pretty awesome looking but I always think of the Mk. 8 as being reserved for squad sergeants and the like.
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MK8 as its been represented in concept art is a bit more extensively different than the plastic kits represent. The plastic kit shows it as just a different torso, while the artwork shows distinctive arms and leg armor as well as a more rounded off helmet. That said, I'm doubtful GW will ever make a bigger deal of MK8 armor.
The first thing to cross my mind when I read bits about MK8 was that GW would actually advance the story. Miniscule advancement to be sure. But a few more years and perhaps, for whatever reason, MK8 is more readily available. Maybe they've just had more time to produce more of it.
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Post by: Azazelx
The "Tac" box with MK8 armour and lots of bling sounds as though it might actually potentially be Veterans/Sternguard (with more/newer options?). Which would make it a 5-man box.
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Post by: Cyrax
Maybe MK8 armors will be slightly larger and closer to true scale?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Maybe we're overthinking this and it's just a Tac box with a few more armour variant bits in it.
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Post by: SickSix
 scipio.au wrote:The " Tac" box with MK8 armour and lots of bling sounds as though it might actually potentially be Veterans/Sternguard (with more/newer options?). Which would make it a 5-man box.
C: SM definitely needs a dual kit box for Stern/Vanguard. Maybe this is it?
Or maybe it could be Sternguard/Command Squad. That would probably be easier for them to do. Makes sense to me. But this is GW we're talking about.
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Post by: DPBellathrom
well, if we do get "not-halo warthogs" then I'll be doing a scout army ODST style :3
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Post by: Alpharius
aka_mythos wrote: Ronin wrote:Isn't Mk. 8 just the same as Mk. 7 but with a gorget? They're pretty awesome looking but I always think of the Mk. 8 as being reserved for squad sergeants and the like.
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MK8 as its been represented in concept art is a bit more extensively different than the plastic kits represent. The plastic kit shows it as just a different torso, while the artwork shows distinctive arms and leg armor as well as a more rounded off helmet. That said, I'm doubtful GW will ever make a bigger deal of MK8 armor.
GW might not, but I think FW will - especially given the Minotaurs and their featured role in an upcoming IA book...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Ultraloth from Warseer wrote:Jeremy Vetock was recently quoted saying that the design team were still figuring out if BT would continue to have their own codex or if they would be folded back into codex Space Marines. I wouldn't bet on seeing a codex BT anytime soon.
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Post by: SickSix
No offense personally intended for BT players, but the game could really use one or two less space marine codexes.
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Post by: Happygrunt
Kroothawk wrote:Ultraloth from Warseer wrote:Jeremy Vetock was recently quoted saying that the design team were still figuring out if BT would continue to have their own codex or if they would be folded back into codex Space Marines. I wouldn't bet on seeing a codex BT anytime soon.
I hope that isn't true, as BT play so differently from the normal Space Marines that they need their own book.
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Post by: CodexAstartes
Techmarine plastics ? <3
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Post by: Riddick40k
Bout time tacticals got heavy Flamers! I hope they are free
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Too bad i already have 5 tactical squads, in which only two ever see play.
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Post by: Melissia
 thenoobbomb wrote:Really, just start collecting Space MArines, give 'em corsets, and call them 'Brothers of Battle' Ultimate win, you get up to date mini's, good codex, and something '...of battle'.
Good idea. Let's take it a step further; greenstuff some power armor on guardsmen, paint them blue and gold, and then use he IG codex and call them marines, then we can just get rid of hte Space Marine codex. After all they have the same statline, playstyle, and fluff, right? Oh wait no that's a bad idea.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Happygrunt wrote: Kroothawk wrote:Ultraloth from Warseer wrote:Jeremy Vetock was recently quoted saying that the design team were still figuring out if BT would continue to have their own codex or if they would be folded back into codex Space Marines. I wouldn't bet on seeing a codex BT anytime soon.
I hope that isn't true, as BT play so differently from the normal Space Marines that they need their own book.
I think its unfortunate if its true. BT were some of the most distinctive of the SM codices... unlike BA and DA the BT needed alot less of the self justifying additions and rules that were more recently given to BA and rumored for DA. What it really boils down to is that C: SM, C: BA, and C A appear to have stolen the BT's thunder by including themes and options that originated with them. Similar themes also appear in GK and SoB... leaving the BT bleeding from all edges. I liked BT because they were the only second founding chapter with a full codex, which was one of several distinguishing traits. Its a shame if they go.
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Post by: Destrado
aka_mythos wrote:MK8 as its been represented in concept art is a bit more extensively different than the plastic kits represent. The plastic kit shows it as just a different torso, while the artwork shows distinctive arms and leg armor as well as a more rounded off helmet. That said, I'm doubtful GW will ever make a bigger deal of MK8 armor.
The wrist protectiors on the Dark Vengeance Dark Angels' Commander are different. When I saw them I thought they could be an indication of what's to come,just before 3rd Edition (and the release of the plastic Tactical Squad) there was a metal Command Squad released with details on the armour that were akin to the plastic kits that followed (upper leg detail, mostly), and newly shaped bolt pistol and boltgun.
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Post by: Dentry
Personally, I'd enjoy having a centralized Codex: Big Book of Space Marines with the basic SM rules, stats, armory and then various indices or subsections taking the place of existing codices - even having a Space Marine index for the current C:SM only stuff.
Doubt it'll ever happen because that'd be one huge book and have a price to match. However, it should most definitely happen with the digital books. I'd be willing to pay a (reasonable) package price for an uber codex like that.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Dentry wrote:Personally, I'd enjoy having a centralized Codex: Big Book of Space Marines with the basic SM rules, stats, armory and then various indices or subsections taking the place of existing codices - even having a Space Marine index for the current C: SM only stuff.
Doubt it'll ever happen because that'd be one huge book and have a price to match. However, it should most definitely happen with the digital books. I'd be willing to pay a (reasonable) package price for an uber codex like that.
Well, that's mostly like the 3rd edition Marines: 1 central codex, plus mini-codexes for the chapters--
DA got deathwing & ravenwing, plus characters
Black Templars got crusader squads, the Emp's champion, and the LRC
etc.
I preferred it, as the changes to Marines didn't have weird inconsistencies (i.e. identical pieces having different costs, upgrades working differently, etc.). I wish the newer chapter codexes were just that style with a larger section of fluff to match current books.
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Post by: SickSix
 spiralingcadaver wrote:Dentry wrote:Personally, I'd enjoy having a centralized Codex: Big Book of Space Marines with the basic SM rules, stats, armory and then various indices or subsections taking the place of existing codices - even having a Space Marine index for the current C: SM only stuff.
Doubt it'll ever happen because that'd be one huge book and have a price to match. However, it should most definitely happen with the digital books. I'd be willing to pay a (reasonable) package price for an uber codex like that.
Well, that's mostly like the 3rd edition Marines: 1 central codex, plus mini-codexes for the chapters--
DA got deathwing & ravenwing, plus characters
Black Templars got crusader squads, the Emp's champion, and the LRC
etc.
I preferred it, as the changes to Marines didn't have weird inconsistencies (i.e. identical pieces having different costs, upgrades working differently, etc.). I wish the newer chapter codexes were just that style with a larger section of fluff to match current books.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense when the same units or upgrades have different costs or sometime different rules between space marines.
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Post by: -Loki-
I liked the minilist solution because they did more with non-Space Marine armies with it. Kult of Speed, Cadian Shock troops, Lost and the Damned, Craftworld Eldar and some others I think I'm forgetting.
While they weren't rich in fluff, that's probably favourable to most people over the fluff we get these days anyway.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I wish Codices functioned like the army list in the new Horus Heresy book where there is one central list, and then a few pages that give army special rules, specialist/unique units and special characters for a specific army.
You could (and FW is doing) Chaos Legions, Marine Chapters, Eldar Craftworlds, Ork Klanz, Imperial Guard armies and even Tau Septs that way. It's perfect.
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Post by: Archonate
H.B.M.C. wrote:I wish Codices functioned like the army list in the new Horus Heresy book where there is one central list, and then a few pages that give army special rules, specialist/unique units and special characters for a specific army.
You could (and FW is doing) Chaos Legions, Marine Chapters, Eldar Craftworlds, Ork Klanz, Imperial Guard armies and even Tau Septs that way. It's perfect.
Don't forget different DE Kabals and Necron tomb worlds. Absolutely. Not only should SMs get one big omni-book, but all armies should have slight rules variations for various sub-factions.
I can't imagine GW relishing the thought of updating EVERY SM codex for EVERY new edition, in addition to all the other armies. Eventually something has to give. They either do as many of us are asking and stop wasting releases on more SM that could have been included into the big SM book, or they continue to leave several armies without updates every edition... which frankly is a really gakky policy.
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Post by: -Loki-
 Archonate wrote:I can't imagine GW relishing the thought of updating EVERY SM codex for EVERY new edition, in addition to all the other armies. Eventually something has to give.
You're right, they probably don't like having to update that many Marine books every edition.
They sure love the sales bubbles around each one though.
That's the reason they won't get rolled into one book.
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Post by: AlexHolker
 Happygrunt wrote: Kroothawk wrote:Ultraloth from Warseer wrote:Jeremy Vetock was recently quoted saying that the design team were still figuring out if BT would continue to have their own codex or if they would be folded back into codex Space Marines. I wouldn't bet on seeing a codex BT anytime soon.
I hope that isn't true, as BT play so differently from the normal Space Marines that they need their own book.
Black Templars need two pages: one for the chapter's unique doctrines and one for the Emperor's Champion. Throw in another two for the special characters, and you're still only on four pages of rules.
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Post by: Dentry
 -Loki- wrote: Archonate wrote:I can't imagine GW relishing the thought of updating EVERY SM codex for EVERY new edition, in addition to all the other armies. Eventually something has to give.
You're right, they probably don't like having to update that many Marine books every edition.
They sure love the sales bubbles around each one though.
That's the reason they won't get rolled into one book.
It could prove a more lucrative venture for Games Workshop. Is it more expensive to publish one larger book or several smaller books? They'd save on manufacturing and distribution. They'd have a larger target market: every Space Marine player instead of only certain-kinds-of-Space-Marine players. There'd be a smaller barrier to entry for players wanting to try out Space Wolves or Black Templar or Dark Angels and so forth, translating to a greater chance they'd purchase units (read: models) for that chapter of Space Marine. How inclined is the average person to dump money on the unknown? Everything in the codex might not be available right away, but that's not something we're unfamiliar with.
The only drawback might be to, as you've put it, "sales bubbles" surrounding the release of current SM waves. Adopting the above model of One-Codex-To-Rule-Them-All, I believe Games Workshop would actually increase overall revenues and miniature sales. They might not sell as many models initially when a new flavor of Space Marine comes out, but they would sell more of them over a protracted period of time - a year versus a quarter. Heck, more models could be released per wave as the cost usually tied to a new codex would be absent, and available to expand that particular line.
Benefits would extend beyond the Space Marine lines as well. Not constantly developing SM codex after SM codex, Games Workshop could free up resources - time chief among them - and refocus those on Eldar, Tau, Orks, Sororitas et al and flesh those out. Gasp! Perhaps with some more TLC these other races wouldn't be relegated to just serving as supporting characters and might become sizable contributors to GW's bottom line. Madness, I know.
Back on topic: Yay! Techmarine sprue.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yes, on topic in here please.
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