I normally do not swear. I can splash hot grease on my hand, have a horrible day at work, whatever, I can keep myself from swearing. As soon as you hand me an un-assembled model and some glue I turn into the most foul mouthed sailor in the world. I have threatened pieces with horrible horrible acts that would make Hitler cringe.

Anyone else get the same way or have another aspect of this hobby that makes you want to flay babies?

The aspects that get on my nerves tend to involve other players; infantile fluff, refusal to comprehend the nature of the game (griping about lack of traditional 'heroic' characters, griping about having to paint your own models, griping about 'unfair' rules...), and poor sportsmanship are all difficult to deal with.

I manage. Somehow.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I normally do not swear. I can splash hot grease on my hand, have a horrible day at work, whatever, I can keep myself from swearing. As soon as you hand me an un-assembled model and some glue I turn into the most foul mouthed sailor in the world. I have threatened pieces with horrible horrible acts that would make Hitler cringe.

Anyone else get the same way or have another aspect of this hobby that makes you want to flay babies?

I am the same exact way as you

The loose rules, which cause huge flamestorms.

Doubly so when the meaning of the rule is pretty clearly one thing, but it can be twisted 'strict RAW..' to mean something quite different.

Also the folks who insist there is only one way to play this game, be it competitive, fluffy, FW is standard 40K, FW is not standard 40 K, or anything with the word 'legal' in it

The allies chart. Allies are a decent idea, if you like that sort of thing, but some of the combinations..

Finally the imbalances in the game. Vastly differing power levels for the same pts, half the codexes and more for one faction, no xeno secenery barring a dinky little nid thing in the Macragge set and some dodgy ork barricades...

I love 40K, and have since it's inception, but the pile of annoyance is higher for me these days than it used to be.

Besides what the others have said, table etiquette is huge for me. I love playing the game, but one bad opponent can ruin it for everyone. Im not a rules lawyer, Im not a fluff nazi. Just be respectful of your opponent, play the game, and be a good sport win or lose. Act your age people!

Mostly when other players are poor sports, rude, etc. Doesn't happen now that I only play with a small group of friends.

And painting too, painting is my least favorite part of the game.

Mainly when people walk away in the middle of a game, or take my codex off the table and look at my units rules when they can just ask me.

Also, when other people join into a game that they are not involved in and give tactical advice or tell the players what to do when they know perfectly well how to play.

Finally, people without codexs and rulebooks are soooo annoying when they have to take codexs off of shelves or other people to find out what their units do.

Money. I do get a bit depressed when I realize just how much money I'd have to put down in order to make a competitive army. Especially when the guy with a better-paying job goes out and buys seven Doom/Nightscythe kits just because he can.

When someone has a turn where I roll horribly on all of my 2+ saves and wounds and acts like it's funny or I shouldn't care... and then has a fit when they fail one save with a 4+ model

"Proxy armies" where it's just one person using the same army and using the codex for everything else without buying the models (I had a friend who owned a guard army and used them for sisters of battle and "iron brigade" which really just meant using a bunch of toy cars and cans as tanks.

People who don't know the rules and look at me like i'm cheating when I do something that they JUST did on their turn and I said it was okay per the rulebook.

People who want to play but don't own the models they want on their list and expect me to either supply them or be ok with a weak proxy.

Picking up anything that I own...at all, ever. I know it's cliche, but freaking ask first.

Caling something that's categorically uncheesy, cheesy. (I make only lists that are for all comers and don't tailor, so this one really irks me, as I don't even try to look up competetive lists, I just do what I like)

How every person I talk to that has a poorly painted army somehow has golden daemon quality work at home that they just don't want to play with

Threads likes this....and teenagers

That terrible joke where a model has an oversized gun or sword and someone *always* says "Oh they must be compensating for something!"

The random warlord traits. I always get something absolutely useless while my opponent gets something that makes a big difference. E.g., last game I got redeploy (whoop do doo) while my opponent got stealth in ruins. All of our terrain that game was ruins. That made an enormous difference to me as I play a shooty army, Guard. Nothing like trying to take down an opponent with Terminator-like stacking cover saves to make your blood boil.

Pointless threads

When playing with my friends (well... against), my brother coming out (i set up an ourdoor pavillion for 40k, coz its awesome), and constantly telling my friends exactly what to do to beat me.. And constantly talking loudly over us all about gak which we care nothing of, while trying to play...

That, and australian models costing 2x as much as american models, even with our dollars being worth the same..

People who won't play against me just because I'm not a rabid tournament junkie. Yes, I just want to have some fun and play the game, whether you like it or not.

Rules layering in casual games when I previously let things slide for them. For example, Turn 1 I shoot out of a building. He claims that only 5 of my squad can see so I agree and only roll 5 dice, then when I use a template two guys are under it but just barely so we agree the blast only hits 3. Next turn his guys don't move but suddenly he can see 8 of my guys (how can you see them but they can't see you?) then he shoots a blast and says that my pulse rifle is under the marker and it counts. When claiming area terrain the area that the terrain covers is always largest when he needs the cover and smallest when I am claiming it as cover. Suddenly all the fun was taken out of the game.

 lambsandlions wrote:
Rules layering in casual games when I previously let things slide for them. For example, Turn 1 I shoot out of a building. He claims that only 5 of my squad can see so I agree and only roll 5 dice, then when I use a template two guys are under it but just barely so we agree the blast only hits 3. Next turn his guys don't move but suddenly he can see 8 of my guys (how can you see them but they can't see you?) then he shoots a blast and says that my pulse rifle is under the marker and it counts. When claiming area terrain the area that the terrain covers is always largest when he needs the cover and smallest when I am claiming it as cover. Suddenly all the fun was taken out of the game.

Maybe im lucky, ive been reading so much of people changing how things work when its advantageous to do so, and yet i have never experienced it...

Hate it when people just don't give a gak about the other players enjoyment of the game. Generally people who are playing really competitive in games which should not be really competitive.

When a crucial, usually load bearing, component of model won't glue.

For example, the Tyrannofex I recently built. Plastic cement worked fine for the whole model, and the cement I use acts rather quickly. When it got to the front legs, which hold the whole model up, the joints simply refused to bond. At all. I ended up cleaning the joints out and supergluing them instead just to get them to stick.

I then went and used the same glue 5 minutes later on the Rupture Cannon, which, of course, bonded almost instantly.

Luckily I have a large amount of patience, but things like that drive me batty. My Forgeworld Flyrant was the same - even after pinning and green stuffing the wing joints, they simply wouldn't stay attached. Took me a whole night just to attach the wings.

Finecast. It's like playing a game of "Will my model have bubbles/holes/lines" roulette

 Nerobellum wrote:
Finecast. It's like playing a game of "Will my model have bubbles/holes/lines" roulette

lol, I just got through saying something to this effect to a buddy of mine. God I hate Finecast.

Building Penitent Engines.

They caused me so much frustration over the three days I tried to build them that I just up and walked away from them for two months. Kept the components in boxes.

Then I came back to them, said, "Feth it," and used massive amounts of greenstuff and more superglue than was necessary.

I decided to keep the story polite, so I skipped all the swearing I did the first time I tried to build them.

I only really play with one person, so I haven't encountered many cases of social interaction that would make me lose my cool yet.

Edit: One positive thing about trying to build Penitent Engines is that I discovered that carpenter's glue is not a viable substitute for model glue. To explain this, I ask you to consider that I'm the kind of person who wondered what chocolate milk and root beer - two of my favorite drinks - would taste like when mixed together, then actually tried it. Thank god I was standing in front of a sink when I took that first swig, cause... well, the spit take was enormous. And another time, I tried taking liquid Risperdal with a small amount of pure Lime Cordial. I think I puked into my mouth, but I'm unsure because I swallowed it all while thinking that it was the meds and Lime Cordial that tasted like vomit. I did wonder vaguely why my mouth was so full, though.

. . . Look, no one told me I had to add water.

When people pick up my models either without asking, with sticky, food-covered fingers, or handle them roughly. I have the same issue with books. These books are expensive. I expect them to be handed back to me in the same condition as they were when you picked it up.

Uninvited "referees" trying to weigh in on friendly games at a store.

Unbalanced codexes.

People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

Removing mold lines, and people constantly making broad stereotypes about younger wargamers and claiming they are destroying the hobby. I avoid most of it IRL since most people I play think I'm 17 or thereabouts, but damn does it get annoying on forums.

6th edition.

So I quit.

 btr75 wrote:
People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

When someone literally starts crying (even just a few tears) when they start losing.

Makes me want to grab their toy soldiers and stomp them into dust.

Lol finecast. Friend bought Areiman (think that's how you spell it). His staff was flacid.

I never lose my cool. I am the epitome of cool.

 -Loki- wrote:

 btr75 wrote:
People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

Did I ever tell you about the time that I forgot how to multiply two numbers that are both more than one digit?

And I was actually decent at math back in high school, but it's been like 7 years since I last took a math class, and I'd missed a lot of classes before then due to being really, really sick.

clively wrote:
When someone literally starts crying (even just a few tears) when they start losing.

Makes me want to grab their toy soldiers and stomp them into dust.

In all fairness, there was one game where I was in tears, although it was from laughter, rather than the fact that I was losing (and I was losing hard).

It was a team game where I was playing Blood Angels with two loaded honour guard with jump packs and plasma guns, with Mephiston, Dante, and two barebone tac squads. HG drop down, all fire their plasma guns, every single one of them fails to hit, each one rolls at least one 1, they all fail every single armour save, and then all fail every single FnP save.
Mephiston then goes on to perils twice and have his own plasma pistol blow up in his face.

At that point, my team mate was staring at me, wondering what he would do against two fully loaded armies after I had totally destoryed my entire army in my own shooting phase. All I could do was laugh hysterically.

 Fafnir wrote:

clively wrote:
When someone literally starts crying (even just a few tears) when they start losing.

Makes me want to grab their toy soldiers and stomp them into dust.

In all fairness, there was one game where I was in tears, although it was from laughter, rather than the fact that I was losing (and I was losing hard).

It was a team game where I was playing Blood Angels with two loaded honour guard with jump packs and plasma guns, with Mephiston, Dante, and two barebone tac squads. HG drop down, all fire their plasma guns, every single one of them fails to hit, each one rolls at least one 1, they all fail every single armour save, and then all fail every single FnP save.
Mephiston then goes on to perils twice and have his own plasma pistol blow up in his face.

At that point, my team mate was staring at me, wondering what he would do against two fully loaded armies after I had totally destoryed my entire army in my own shooting phase. All I could do was laugh hysterically.

To be honest, that's the kind of stuff that makes me laugh too, even when it happens to me. ^^

Like this one time in WoW, the raid I was in suffered some huge catastrophe and was imminently about to wipe, and I just start laughing my butt off on Vent and said, "It's a catastrofeth!" but with the normal word instead of feth. : D

Edited for grammar fail.

 -Loki- wrote:

 btr75 wrote:
People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

You are totally right. It is all good as long as the player has their stuff correct. Army Builder just helps in that.

Dragonzord wrote:

 lambsandlions wrote:
Rules layering in casual games when I previously let things slide for them. For example, Turn 1 I shoot out of a building. He claims that only 5 of my squad can see so I agree and only roll 5 dice, then when I use a template two guys are under it but just barely so we agree the blast only hits 3. Next turn his guys don't move but suddenly he can see 8 of my guys (how can you see them but they can't see you?) then he shoots a blast and says that my pulse rifle is under the marker and it counts. When claiming area terrain the area that the terrain covers is always largest when he needs the cover and smallest when I am claiming it as cover. Suddenly all the fun was taken out of the game.

Maybe im lucky, ive been reading so much of people changing how things work when its advantageous to do so, and yet i have never experienced it...

You are lucky.

Model gluing

Rule arguments

and uncooperative dice...I mean I don't mind that much if my opponent lands a hundred or so blows, but if I roll about a hundred fails...FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAHhh!

 Pouncey wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 btr75 wrote:
People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

Did I ever tell you about the time that I forgot how to multiply two numbers that are both more than one digit?

And I was actually decent at math back in high school, but it's been like 7 years since I last took a math class, and I'd missed a lot of classes before then due to being really, really sick.

Did I ever tell you about the time I made a post where I never said people should get better at math, but buy a $1 tool that does the math for them?

Even mobile phones these days, which most people have, have calculators built into them.

There's no excuse these days for calculation errors in a simple army list.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 btr75 wrote:
People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

Did I ever tell you about the time that I forgot how to multiply two numbers that are both more than one digit?

And I was actually decent at math back in high school, but it's been like 7 years since I last took a math class, and I'd missed a lot of classes before then due to being really, really sick.

Did I ever tell you about the time I made a post where I never said people should get better at math, but buy a $1 tool that does the math for them?

Even mobile phones these days, which most people have, have calculators built into them.

There's no excuse these days for calculation errors in a simple army list.

Hm?

Sorry, I was going off on a tangent, that's all.

You had said something about getting math wrong on paper, and that reminded me of what I said.

Sorry.

Hugs?

Sure. Just wondering how you got 'sometimes people can't do math right in their head for whatever reason' from 'buy a calculator', that's all.

 -Loki- wrote:
Sure. Just wondering how you got 'sometimes people can't do math right in their head for whatever reason' from 'buy a calculator', that's all.

:: hugs ::

I was actually doing it on paper. Wrote the two numbers down one on top of the other, did the first line okay, then I was like, "Uhhh... What... What do I do for the second digit?"

And my brain works like that "Six Steps" game where you link something to another thing until you get to something totally unrelated... Except my brain doesn't stop there. Apparently it annoys people in real life, because we'll be talking about one thing, and then the conversation will pause for a minute or two while we watch TV or slaughter things in videogames or whatever, and then I say or ask something that seems totally random, but my brain got there by linking things together tangentially.

It's like that thing my dad does, where he carries on a conversation while writing computer programs, and doesn't mess either thing up.

See? Like that. Talking about things that annoy people reminded me of that little story my dad told me.

Speaking of little stories my dad told me about something that annoys people, he also goes back to earlier conversations that took place hours or sometimes days earlier, and picks up right where he left off. Like that Family Guy episode where... well, all those Family Guy episodes where Peter's talking and then the chicken shows up and then comes the fight scene, and then when he wins, he goes back to where he was and continues talking like nothing happened.

Now imagine all that happening in the space of about five seconds, repeatedly, over the course of a few minutes.

Excessive randomness.

 Pouncey wrote:
Edit: One positive thing about trying to build Penitent Engines is that I discovered that carpenter's glue is not a viable substitute for model glue. To explain this, I ask you to consider that I'm the kind of person who wondered what chocolate milk and root beer - two of my favorite drinks - would taste like when mixed together, then actually tried it. Thank god I was standing in front of a sink when I took that first swig, cause... well, the spit take was enormous. And another time, I tried taking liquid Risperdal with a small amount of pure Lime Cordial. I think I puked into my mouth, but I'm unsure because I swallowed it all while thinking that it was the meds and Lime Cordial that tasted like vomit. I did wonder vaguely why my mouth was so full, though.

wat

 Kaldor wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Edit: One positive thing about trying to build Penitent Engines is that I discovered that carpenter's glue is not a viable substitute for model glue. To explain this, I ask you to consider that I'm the kind of person who wondered what chocolate milk and root beer - two of my favorite drinks - would taste like when mixed together, then actually tried it. Thank god I was standing in front of a sink when I took that first swig, cause... well, the spit take was enormous. And another time, I tried taking liquid Risperdal with a small amount of pure Lime Cordial. I think I puked into my mouth, but I'm unsure because I swallowed it all while thinking that it was the meds and Lime Cordial that tasted like vomit. I did wonder vaguely why my mouth was so full, though.

wat

Basically saying I try weird things sometimes because I don't know any better.

My dice rolls. There's nothing wrong with botching a round of shooting once in awhile, but I've gone whole games where it seemed like every roll I had to make failed. I generally don't even bother with 2+ save models anymore as I just can't seem to make the saves. On the other hand, I make an inordinate amount of 5+ saves (especially feel no pain rolls) so that can help some times.

Another one that really grinds my gears is people watching a game I'm playing and criticizing my unit choices. You don't know why I took a unit, what my plan for it was, or what the goal of the games was, so kindly don't comment on my unit choices. I played a game with a friend of mine against his guard. We each made up lists using units that we thought were fun and never got to use. He had taken a death strike missile. Some guy comes up and watches our game for a bit before turning to my friend and just straight out called him stupid for taking a deathtrike. We kinda just looked at him until he got uncomfortable and then continued on with our game.

Super gluing my fingers to space marine arms or living a big swirly superglue finger print on a model by accident. The most upsetting thing though is to be in the final stages of painting and find a mold line in a obvious and visible spot that somehow got overlooked the entire time.

 Baldsmug wrote:
Super gluing my fingers to space marine arms or living a big swirly superglue finger print on a model by accident. The most upsetting thing though is to be in the final stages of painting and find a mold line in a obvious and visible spot that somehow got overlooked the entire time.

That's totally how I felt after spending days painting a Finecast Pedro Kantor.
There were holes all over him (every other stud), and I spent ages working on them. Then I spotted the line up the shoulder pad

This one model was being a pain in my ass, I forget exactly what I was building though, and I was trying to glue this really tiny part on. I got frustrated and ended up putting way too much glue than was needed. Holding it there for a good 5 minutes until it stuck, I was convinced I had it.

Until I couldn't remove my finger. I eventually dissolved the glue and got my finger off, but took the part off in the process. *cry*

When "super" glue won't stick one thing to another and I may as well try sticking it together with tap water.

washout77 wrote:This one model was being a pain in my ass, I forget exactly what I was building though, and I was trying to glue this really tiny part on. I got frustrated and ended up putting way too much glue than was needed. Holding it there for a good 5 minutes until it stuck, I was convinced I had it.

Until I couldn't remove my finger. I eventually dissolved the glue and got my finger off, but took the part off in the process. *cry*

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:When "super" glue won't stick one thing to another and I may as well try sticking it together with tap water.

Since we're on the subject of glue, when I got my first metal Autarch I tried to glue him together with plastic cement (I thought that 'plastic' was a reference to the glue, not what it's supposed to be used on...). Somehow I got it to work eventually. To this day I don't know how.

Thank God for super glue accelerator. No, I actually don't want to wait 5 minutes for each part to dry!

Thank God's Mother for super glue debonder. No, I actually didn't want my hand glued to the table!

 Valkyrie wrote:
That terrible joke where a model has an oversized gun or sword and someone *always* says "Oh they must be compensating for something!"

The "I think I'm funny/clever but I'm not" syndrome.

Trying to assemble 3 Skin Wolves from forgeworld. Physically don't fit together.

4 months still unassembled.

I had a few issues with the LE Games Day Skin Wolf from Forge World. But using the hot water - cold water technique, I was able to line up the arms the way I wanted them.

 Baldsmug wrote:
Super gluing my fingers to space marine arms or living a big swirly superglue finger print on a model by accident. The most upsetting thing though is to be in the final stages of painting and find a mold line in a obvious and visible spot that somehow got overlooked the entire time.

I hate the missed mold lines right when I am painting some boyz and trying to get them done in a hurry.

-Loki- wrote:When a crucial, usually load bearing, component of model won't glue.

Lol. There's a guy at my FLGS who needs to re-glue the stabilization flaps on his vendettas every time he pulls them out of his army foam. Actually, it's just on that one vendetta, his other one is fine. I keep offering to fix it more permanently for him, but he adamantly refuses.

-Loki- wrote:

btr75 wrote:People who consistently get their points wrong on pencil and paper. Occasional mistakes are cool, but at a certain point, time to buy Army Builder or something.

There's really no excuse for even getting it wrong on paper. Buy a $1 calculator. List building is nothing but simple addition, and subtraction if you got something wrong. No need to buy a list building program, simply buying a calculator will solve this.

Well, I've certainly made mistakes before, even with a calculator. I agree that they should be tolerated here and there (and 6th ed actually encourages this now).

That said, lists written out in pencil bother me, because everybody has terrible handwriting. It costs, what 5 cents to print something out from your local library? That or you can always ask one of the everybody else who brings a printed list to print yours too. I'd gladly do it if it meant playing up against somebody with a proper list.

However, I absolutely, positively, hate army builder. They put way too much information on the page, so that I can't actually find the pertinent information. You might as well write your list as a crossword puzzle. Yes, I know what the statline for a marine is, all I need to know is which heavy weapons it has. Complex units are the worst. Where I might write "5x Terminators - chainfist, lightning claws, heavy flamer, MoN, icon, mutation, vets", that would take a half a page to write with army builder, and I'd probably miss something important embedded in all that needless detail, like the heavy flamer or the icon.

Anyways, the one thing that really gets me going, though, is people who need to bicker over the definition of words in order to win arguments. The last game of 5th ed I played was a team game, where TFG 1 was on my team and TFG 2 was on theirs. Who won the game depended on what my partner could do with a unit of eldar jetbikes, some of which were old, some of which were new, and some of which were proxied. In the end, it devolved into a 20 minute fight over what the phrase "original base" meant, while the other guy and I wandered off and did something else. That experience was enough to get me to quit 40k until 6th ed came out.

If the only way you can be correct is by twisting the definition of words to your advantage, then quit being such a pedantic ass and just shut up.

 Ailaros wrote:

-Loki- wrote:When a crucial, usually load bearing, component of model won't glue.

Lol. There's a guy at my FLGS who needs to re-glue the stabilization flaps on his vendettas every time he pulls them out of his army foam. Actually, it's just on that one vendetta, his other one is fine. I keep offering to fix it more permanently for him, but he adamantly refuses.

I'm no stranger to pinning. I've had times when a load bearing part of model refuses to pin properly as well. The ankle of my Forgeworld Flyrant snapped (not surprising, it's the only part of the model touching the ground. Apparently everyones Flyrants ankle is snapped). I ran [b]two[/i] pins through it, and reinforced it with a touch of epoxy and also green stuff.

The first attempt resulted in the limb bending at the break after everything was set. I had to rebreak it, remove the pins, run a single pin, and also trim even more of the leg off than was broken. It's now fixed, but I need to be extremely gentle with it.

It irritates me when people say 'just pin it, it's easy!'. I know how to pin models. I also know how to simply apply glue. Both fail me at times, and it's enough to make me want to throw the model in the bin. This is why I love Finecast. No more pinning. Drop of superglue, and done. Bond is stronger than the resin itself.

When my opponent finds it necessary to point and refuse to play further until I move back the ork in the mob of 30 who supposedly moved 1" too far.

 -Loki- wrote:
This is why I love Finecast. No more pinning. Drop of superglue, and done. Bond is stronger than the resin itself.

Which is why it breaks just beyond the joint.

I like assembling models, and pinning is no problem, it's painting that's the problem.

Not that I mind painting, I like it, I'm even good at it, but there's so much of it.

Especially when your army is riding bikes. Each model has a lot of area to be painted.

I have about 40 bikes to paint, and then probably another 30 terminators.

And then some Space Marine infantry and Rhinos.

And have you seen those Typhoons?

So much to paint.

*Top Five*

1: BRONIES
2: The smell of some opponents
3: Poor Sportsmanship/ Childish Behavior
4: FailCast/Mold Lines
5: Inaccurate Measuring


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Freman Bloodglaive wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
This is why I love Finecast. No more pinning. Drop of superglue, and done. Bond is stronger than the resin itself.

Which is why it breaks just beyond the joint.

I like assembling models, and pinning is no problem, it's painting that's the problem.

Not that I mind painting, I like it, I'm even good at it, but there's so much of it.

Especially when your army is riding bikes. Each model has a lot of area to be painted.

I have about 40 bikes to paint, and then probably another 30 terminators.

And then some Space Marine infantry and Rhinos.

And have you seen those Typhoons?

So much to paint.

Agree 100% lol


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 Baldsmug wrote:
Super gluing my fingers to space marine arms or living a big swirly superglue finger print on a model by accident. The most upsetting thing though is to be in the final stages of painting and find a mold line in a obvious and visible spot that somehow got overlooked the entire time.

Yes!

That guy who has no filter and while I am playing against someone else starts talking about how I am a heretic and how I deserved to be smitten because I am playing chaos.

Ailaros wrote:However, I absolutely, positively, hate army builder. They put way too much information on the page, so that I can't actually find the pertinent information. You might as well write your list as a crossword puzzle. Yes, I know what the statline for a marine is, all I need to know is which heavy weapons it has. Complex units are the worst. Where I might write "5x Terminators - chainfist, lightning claws, heavy flamer, MoN, icon, mutation, vets", that would take a half a page to write with army builder, and I'd probably miss something important embedded in all that needless detail, like the heavy flamer or the icon.

Good god a million times this. I only use it at tournaments, where we're required to at my store (which while a good thing, I hate mainly because I have a horrible time using it) It just has so much useless information that I don't need to know. A single guard squad with melta/lascannon takes up like a 1/8 of a page! It helps new guys a bit, but then they start to use it as a crutch, instead of memorizing their codex, or at least learning what page everything is on.

Other random things that set me off for no discern-able reason.

1. Bronies
2. Furries
3. Hygiene issues
4. The "borderline creepy guy who won't leave you alone" guy
5. People who don't know basic rules, then call me TFG when I use them. (Rapid fire guns can move and fire 24" now? Chimeras can flat out? Whatever)

1 and 2 are probably a result of spending too much time on /tg/, but also because it kind of just reinforces negative stereotypes that people associate with this hobby. Kind of like how people hate on Sheldon from big bang theory for being a very stereotypically autistic person (although I will admit I know several people literally just like him, my brother included). Those, and 3 and 4, are the reasons why I've never tried to get some of my other friends into the game or at least let them tag along with me some time. Most of the people at the places where I play at are really cool and perfectly normal, but every now and then the odd ones show up, and I know it would just scare my friends off. (yes I realize stupid arguments are about to erupt over this, but I'm going to be honest whether you like it or not)

Number 5 is just because it gets really annoying knowing that at any moment, some random rule you're going to use could cause your opponent to get upset. I just want to enjoy the game, and let my opponent enjoy it too. When basic rules can potentially set them off, it's no fun for anybody.

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
This is why I love Finecast. No more pinning. Drop of superglue, and done. Bond is stronger than the resin itself.

Which is why it breaks just beyond the joint.

Then you glue that point with superglue. Because resin breaks clean, there won't even be a visible break line in the paint. Unless you're playing soccer with your models, breaks aren't going to be frequent anyway.

Techmarine servo harnesses are a little fragile.

I had to get a FInecast one to make my biker Master of the Forge out of. I have a metal one on foot, though I stuck on the Finecast arm and swapped his bolter for a plasma pistol. Shooting seems to be his thing.

The plastic torso with finecast pack fell over and broke through just above one of the arms. Had to pin and glue it.

At least it's easy to drill.

Opponents getting mad and arguing when you're telling them a rule for THEIR benefit. That one always annoys me quite a bit.

Haters gonna hate!

1. people who dig on me because of who i am, nerd? You mean smart person? Homosexual? You mean someone who enjoys brightly coloured ponies solving social problems in a fun and dynamic way?

2. On to warhammer....Back seat gamers. I know my army list is rubbish, you dont have t tell me EVERY time i play and say my army should be like yours (boring venom-spam w/ ravagers)

3. Dont touch my models with out asking, really gets me annoyed.

4. when models just dont go togeather, i had to use clamps to get my raider to glue!

5. FINECRAP/FAILCAST/FAILCRAP. Oh god, i wish i never bought my incubi, they dont look menecing when every single klaive has brocken off! And eldrad staff is bent, leading to lots of...inappropriate jokes in my FLGS.

**if you type F A G it turns it into ciggrette, cool!**





*You dont hate Bronies, you are jumping on the bandwagon of haters but you dont know why you hate us, you just do.*

Personally I hate people who can't just play the game and enjoy it they drive me absolutely nuts. Also Bronies are a pain.

Also people who want to try and tell me that I need more temple guard in my lizards (hint I run zero.)

I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

The main thing that frustrates me about this hobby is cleaning models.

Once I'm past the mold line/flash stage I'm ok, but every time I see a metal mini with a case of mold slip I die a little inside... (seriously, it took me almost a week to clean up a metal Ikit Klaw because I couldn't bring myself to sit there for more than 5 minutes at a time filing and trimming the flash/slip lines). It's the only reason I haven't finished my Armorcast 'Folder Bot' (aka the 'not Bender') the arms and legs got a little too much flash on them, and being the 'ribbed hose' style affairs', it's a real pain cleaning them up.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

Lets be more specific about Bronies I don't like (hate is way to strong of a word for this use.) people who try to shoe horn them into 40k. These two universes do not mix. However it is your hobby to do what you want even if i don't like it or anyone else for that matter. You get to do what makes you happy.
Not mad just wanted to point out this point that many other people miss.

Also on your point about completely unpainted armies. PREACH brother!

Oh and DarkCorsair keep in mind you act older than you are.

 Ailaros wrote:

However, I absolutely, positively, hate army builder. They put way too much information on the page, so that I can't actually find the pertinent information. You might as well write your list as a crossword puzzle. Yes, I know what the statline for a marine is, all I need to know is which heavy weapons it has. Complex units are the worst. Where I might write "5x Terminators - chainfist, lightning claws, heavy flamer, MoN, icon, mutation, vets", that would take a half a page to write with army builder, and I'd probably miss something important embedded in all that needless detail, like the heavy flamer or the icon.

I use Army Builder (just because I find it really easy to use), and I really agree with you. They put way too much. So, I usually just copy and paste the list it gives me into a word document and take out all the unneeded things (like stat-lines and specific points). Works really well for the most part

People who use this game as an outlet for their inadequacies.

Let me give an example....

Once I walked into this gaming store and saw the employee playing a 16 year old in a 40k game. The employee talking trash to the young man and beating him relentlessly.

That struck me. Why the heck would any employee of a gaming store do that? Instead he should make it a good game, and let the young man win a few games. His goal should be to spark interest in the game in customers, not to cover his inadequacies by beating someone new at the game.

Luckly for that gaming store, that employee is no longer there -- and KnightFall games is a better store for it.

At the bronies who may or may not be upset with my last post, the thread asked "what makes you lose your cool"? I simply listed things that made me lose my cool. I have no personal vendetta or hatred towards you, I just do not care for the "brony" subculture. I can respect people who can pull off the conversions and all that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Just like you have your reasons for liking it, I have mine for disliking it. I am not trying to make a personal attack against you guys in any way, and if it comes across that way that was not my intention. Me disliking bronies is really no different than others hating on squats (and I like the idea of the squats very much) or something else along those lines.

Like I said, it's probably from spending too much time on /tg/ (where you see the really idiotic side of the bronies come across, although that can be said for literally anyone on /tg/ ) Don't read into it too much and be thankful I'm not one of the guys who will intentionally derail this thread to do nothing but complain about how bronies are ruining 40k or some other stupid argument. Live and let live and all that.

(if you are a furry getting offended at my first post, feel free to replace "brony" with "furry" in this post)

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
(if you are a furry getting offended at my first post, feel free to replace "brony" with "furry" in this post)

:: hugs :: I wasn't gonna say anything. ^^

The only thing i dislike about bronies is that they're all so in your face about it... So what, you like a cartoon, grats. Oh wait, noone cares, and its just a kids show.

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I like duck tales. Shall i go around informing people of that, or is it not popular enough a cartoon?

How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Reading comments on sites like this where people say things like "I don't play 40k any more because GW suck, the rules are crap and its all too expensive, Warmahordes is much better, 40K sucks, I play a proper game now!"

What ever happened to "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"?

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
Reading comments on sites like this where people say things like "I don't play 40k any more because GW suck, the rules are crap and its all too expensive, Warmahordes is much better, 40K sucks, I play a proper game now!"

What ever happened to "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"?

QFT

Off-topic: I'm a very casual brony, in that I just watch the show, and that is really it. Barely talk about it, never make fan content, never post pics, never analyze episodes or deeper character meanings. But, I do understand that some people think bronies are very in-you-face-about-it. A guy I know is such. Just the way he can go on kills the show for me. But a big reason for why many do so is that bronies often expect personal attacks everywhere they go for liking a cartoon. So they are very defensive, and parade their "brony pride" to show that they aren't ashamed so that people (hopefully) won't attack. New members to the Fan base adopt this attitude, even I it is unnecessary in their situation.

On topic: I hate when people try to tell me I can't use my converted or scrathbuilt models, especially if it isn't a GW store. Pal, I don't have enough cash to shell out for three battlewagons and six trukks. Besides, I play orks, and they look good that way. So stop telling me I can't use my models.

 washout77 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

that, and the previous example of mass effect would be less silly than MLP, simply because those three are all science fiction, which is at least in the same genre as 40k. It still wouldnt make much sense to have such avatars/sigs, but it makes more sense than cartoon horses...

trully, mlp has no place in 40k, and it totally unrelated to the topic. Hence why it seems so in your face where people just spam stuff about it, when it has nothing to do with it. Kinda like a group of people talking about 40k, then this random dude just walks into the group, yells 'MY LITTLE PONY' and walks away, and keeps doing it.

Arrogance. All of the people who think and boast that they are golden demon painters or on that caliber but aren't and then trash everyone elses models. Also table etiquette is big for me, as well as veteran players who cheat and only play easy win people.

 labmouse42 wrote:
People who use this game as an outlet for their inadequacies.

Let me give an example....

Once I walked into this gaming store and saw the employee playing a 16 year old in a 40k game. The employee talking trash to the young man and beating him relentlessly.

That struck me. Why the heck would any employee of a gaming store do that? Instead he should make it a good game, and let the young man win a few games. His goal should be to spark interest in the game in customers, not to cover his inadequacies by beating someone new at the game.

Luckly for that gaming store, that employee is no longer there -- and KnightFall games is a better store for it.

Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

Without a doubt painting, my least favourite part of the Hobby.

Also several of the allies combinations in the chart really don't make sense.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

On this we can agree to disagree. I've built and ran a number of companies designed for entertainment/hobby purposes. This one is still in business today.

You build a customer base by making them excited about a product. You do this by getting them interested. Instead of 'throwing games' you bring horribly undereffective units. That way your playing at your best, and the other guy never feels like your giving him the game, but your handi-cap is so great your not going to win every game.

In turn you get the customer excited about the game, and at the same time you teach him so when he plays the other players he does not lose every game.

That's what a smart employee does.

 labmouse42 wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

On this we can agree to disagree. I've built and ran a number of companies designed for entertainment/hobby purposes. This one is still in business today.

Oh from a company perspective sure you're right, why should I care about that though. I mean proper like decent not effective in pushing toys to strangers.

 labmouse42 wrote:
You build a customer base by making them excited about a product. You do this by getting them interested. Instead of 'throwing games' you bring horribly undereffective units. That way your playing at your best, and the other guy never feels like your giving him the game, but your handi-cap is so great your not going to win every game.

In turn you get the customer excited about the game, and at the same time you teach him so when he plays the other players he does not lose every game.

That's what a smart employee does.

So I walk into such a store and play demo game with such an employee. I am given top tier SW or GK or Necrons army or just a good one and he plays a gunline of Pyrovores, I am so excited, this is great I am natural born warlord in this, I own... oh wait, such situation will not happen ever in normal matchups. Is the smart employee letting me know that? Because if I know then it's not a game just showcasing of rules, if he doesn't tell me then that's just shady. Also you're not going to learn a lot from winning the skewed matchup while on the other hand, beating from the employee assuming close armies power - wise would show you exactly what a difference skill makes, how to play efficiently, how does the game really look like etc. What you describe sounds better than just loosing the game on purpose but is still bad imo.

I know where you are coming from but for me that's all cheap, building enthusiasm, the smart lying called marketing etc. Salesman should be a normal, informative guy imo and that's why I like the trashtalking employee beating a customer in 40k, he's clearly not one of the sleazy Amway types who think they're smart because they've just earned 1$ by tricking you into buying something.

Btw as for GW, the way they train salesman along with using rules to sell models are their most repulsive qualities for me. I would prefer a circle of neckbeards sitting in the dark, spitting on the floor and answering your questions with questions or pseudophilosophical blabber as a GW shop that all those guys who have and love that exact model that you are thinking whether to buy or not.

- Unhygienic Players - Please go
- People who don't attempt to paint their armies. Started Warmachine, My friend and I seem to be the only one with a fully painted armies. I just don't like the fact that they simply do not even try to start painting - Just build and play.
- Backseat players - I've been to more tournaments and events then you, go watch quietly, do not comment on everything
- Bronies/Social aspies

Dragonzord wrote:

 washout77 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

that, and the previous example of mass effect would be less silly than MLP, simply because those three are all science fiction, which is at least in the same genre as 40k. It still wouldnt make much sense to have such avatars/sigs, but it makes more sense than cartoon horses...

trully, mlp has no place in 40k, and it totally unrelated to the topic. Hence why it seems so in your face where people just spam stuff about it, when it has nothing to do with it. Kinda like a group of people talking about 40k, then this random dude just walks into the group, yells 'MY LITTLE PONY' and walks away, and keeps doing it.

Actually, it's more like a group of people talking and one of them is wearing a MLP shirt.. i've never seen a person on this forum with a pony avatar actually bring up mlp in a 40k conversation, unless someone starts saying that they ruin the game. Then they act in self-defense.

Example, i like the regular show, and adventure time. Both are cartoons. Would you feel like your hobby was being ruined if my avatar was of Finn, or Jake the dog? It's fine to have opinions. I'm not really a fan of star trek. It doesn't interest me. But i don't sneer at anyone with a trek shirt, or who's avatar is picard, and tell them that their enjoyments have no place in "MY" hobby.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

I'm the worlds worst at painting, dont hate us, we dont hate you. Its just that I like the game not the hobby. At least some of them are painted................technically primer gray/grey is painted.

Oh and sternguard. F those tanks, who cares what the other person thinks. IF YOU PLAY SM AND YOU DON'T PLAY STERNGUARD PEOPLE.....YOUR WRONG.

clively wrote:
When someone literally starts crying (even just a few tears) when they start losing.

Makes me want to grab their toy soldiers and stomp them into dust.

when someone lies on the internet

My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

bubbinski wrote:
My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

I hate mysterious terrain. It is really disruptive in WHFB.

I kind of like the random charge distances, it helps keep people from doing a "I want to charge, but do not want to be charged" shuffle.

 btr75 wrote:

bubbinski wrote:
My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

I hate mysterious terrain. It is really disruptive in WHFB.

I kind of like the random charge distances, it helps keep people from doing a "I want to charge, but do not want to be charged" shuffle.

With my local house rules, we tend to just ignore the random terrain and objectives, so every forest is a normal forest, every objective is just an objective worth X points (we still randomize how much each objective is worth like it says to), and if we had any water terrain, it'd just be normal water.

People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool.

GW shops, horrible places full of people you don't want to get too close too but are sometimes necessary to visit, like sexual health clinics.

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool.

Some of my Sororitas have pink armor. : D

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool....

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

Word.
Ponies with boobs creep me out though.

^what if they are in the biologically correct location?

Boggy Man wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool....

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

Word.
Ponies with boobs creep me out though.

I would totally accept that on one condition: They were slaaneshi daemons. Because being creepy like that is classic Slaanesh!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Serious? ( not personal attacking )

your comparing a toddler show, loved off by 30+ yr old men! and if thats not creepy enough, they flaunt their love for MLP everywhere they can ex, miniatures, avatar, What pony are you quiz's.
Video game avatars and even anime are almost 100% more appropriate then the above.

Bronies IMO is wrong on so many levels whether you realize it or not, but the reason why it interferes with my 40K is: #1 i never even knew what a bronie was until i started playing 40k ( Nuff Said? )
#2 when im playing space marines with MLP detachments ( lame ) #3 playing a game with 25+ yr old man who cant stop talkin about MLP and has Ponies on the sidelines watching his battles :l
#4 i feel like im playing a game with a pedophile. #5 brings awful stereotypes where they are not needed #6 they can hold a convo better with my 13 yr old bro then other 25+ people their age ( Thats just not riight )

Just saying, no personal attacks on anyone here, but the bronies asked, so i answered ( my opinion at least )

Poor personal hygeine. Jesus.

IMHO

Anyone who goes on and on about "Spehs marheens" and "methal boxhes".

Yes the animation was funny, but when you repeat it every five minutes it becomes a pain. It isn't funny, it really, really isn't. Please stop.

 FredTheEvilKitteh wrote:
Without a doubt painting, my least favourite part of the Hobby.

I don't like the people who don't like you, lol.

Not everyone has the time or skill to paint. There's nothing lesser about those people. Everyone enjoys the hobby a different way. Some people just want to roll dice and make war. As a kid, we didn't have the dice, we just had single color army men. Seems like it didn't hurt my imagination any. Take pride in your painted models. Don't worry about somebody else's unpainted ones.

Unpainted armies... well, admittedly painted is nicer - except when it's so poorly painted that it makes you cringe, which happens a lot. Personally I now have like 14-15k points worth of models that I've bought in the last 6 months. I spent 10 hours painting my first Ork Nob. 20+ hours painting my first Rhino (don't ask, I don't know where the time went). 6 hours painting the DV Chaplain (and it's not 100% done). And so forth. So don't expect me to field a fully painted army any time soon, never mind all 3-4 of them! I won't spoil the models with a hasty paintjob just to have 'em painted, they need to be painted to the best of my ability (which is... not considerable).

Some of my "argh" things:
- Don't touch my models. And definitely don't toss them. Even if you think tossing your own models into a graveyard pool when they're removed from game is cool, don't effin' toss my models. Thanks. I can remove them myself just fine.
- Stop spouting about what cheesy units or what cheesy codex you'd use in my place. I don't really care.
- Gross game imbalance issues. Which, let's face it, are plentiful in 40k.
- Overt randomness at times. It can be cool, but it can also be extremely infuriating.
- People saying they're gonna use a "fun casual" list against you, and when you make a casual list yourself with that in mind you end up facing three flyers that you can't basically touch but which can kill any units you have with ease, and in general pretty much a list that you use in tournaments too. Nice one, arsehat.
- Me, myself & I!

 Diezel wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Serious? ( not personal attacking )

your comparing a toddler show, loved off by 30+ yr old men! and if thats not creepy enough, they flaunt their love for MLP everywhere they can ex, miniatures, avatar, What pony are you quiz's.
Video game avatars and even anime are almost 100% more appropriate then the above.

Bronies IMO is wrong on so many levels whether you realize it or not, but the reason why it interferes with my 40K is: #1 i never even knew what a bronie was until i started playing 40k ( Nuff Said? )
#2 when im playing space marines with MLP detachments ( lame ) #3 playing a game with 25+ yr old man who cant stop talkin about MLP and has Ponies on the sidelines watching his battles :l
#4 i feel like im playing a game with a pedophile. #5 brings awful stereotypes where they are not needed #6 they can hold a convo better with my 13 yr old bro then other 25+ people their age ( Thats just not riight )

Just saying, no personal attacks on anyone here, but the bronies asked, so i answered ( my opinion at least )

I really do have to laugh at this, coming from the person with a transformers avatar -.-' (a cartoon show that totally wasn’t for small kids....honest )

Things that make me lose my cool? Rage quitters >.> it really yanks me when I'm playing a game and half way through the person quits because they think they’re going to loose

edit: I also have to question which is more immature, people watching MLP......or people raging over the fact that people watch MLP and instantly assume that they molest children

So, I will take full responsibility for the thread getting dragged down with brony talk. May the mods smite me down now.

Let's cover something else guys, we all get some like bronies and some don't. Let's get back to spazzing out when somebody touches our painstakingly painted commander with their greasy cheeto fingers

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
So, I will take full responsibility for the thread getting dragged down with brony talk. May the mods smite me down now.

Let's cover something else guys, we all get some like bronies and some don't. Let's get back to spazzing out when somebody touches our painstakingly painted commander with their greasy cheeto fingers

yeah we need some kind of rule prohibiting talk of bronies in any other thread than the MLP thread ;_;

and don't get me started on people touching my modles with or without greasy fingers >.>

For me its movement, especially in tournaments. I try not to be "measuring nazi" and complain about a model that may have moved an extra 1/4 inch.

But when you see rhinos, preds, etc. Start at 12" (standard deployment) and after their move are 2 to 5 inches over the halfway point of the board (play on a lot of the 6- 24" by 24" GW tables).

Its hard not to complain at them that they are moving too far when clearly there is no way you can be past the equator of the board.

The other is someone not being careful around my models. Have had to replace several broadsides and devilfish/hammerheads that have been decimated from being knocked completely off the table due to an opponents impatientness....

Smelly people, a bit of odour happens but we've all come across that guy who makes a GUO seem like a bed of roses.

Ragers. It's a game, if it affects your blood pressure that much seek help

Picking up models/books that are someone elses without at least asking first. When people ask me the answer is almost always 'sure mate, go ahead'. But not asking? Annoying

None of it makes me completely lose my cool though, more general annoyance.

Edit: While I don't have a problem with 'bronies' I don't really get the obsession with a kids program.

 -Loki- wrote:
When a crucial, usually load bearing, component of model won't glue.

For example, the Tyrannofex I recently built. Plastic cement worked fine for the whole model, and the cement I use acts rather quickly. When it got to the front legs, which hold the whole model up, the joints simply refused to bond. At all. I ended up cleaning the joints out and supergluing them instead just to get them to stick.

I then went and used the same glue 5 minutes later on the Rupture Cannon, which, of course, bonded almost instantly.

Luckily I have a large amount of patience, but things like that drive me batty. My Forgeworld Flyrant was the same - even after pinning and green stuffing the wing joints, they simply wouldn't stay attached. Took me a whole night just to attach the wings.

This is my first one. I love model making but glue can be a real ergh!!!

Second would be Finecast shenanagins and then seeing in the DV starter that the Liquid Green Stuff is there for the occasion issue with Finecast. So GW made a cheaper product, charged us more for it and has told us we need to fix their problem ourselves on the overcharged model they want us to buy. (Again a modeling issue.)

Third is poor sports and WAAC players. The poor sports just grip and moan over their whole lot at the table. I've told more than a few to just Shut up. And then the WAAC players. Some of them don't even know the full rules and others are just meta gamers who only get enjoyment from tabling some one. "Oh you've never played before? Looking for a game? Sure I'll play you." And then that new person never comes back to play again. "I don't know why people don't want to play with me...wah wah wah..." You know who I'm talking about.

Having to be a responsible adult and do things like dishes and pay bills, when there are models that need to be assembled and painted before the game this weekend!

ive only lost my cool twice. The second day with my 6th edition brand new 40k rulebook, a guy in the shop i was playing at was looking thru it (doenst bother me) he then opened it up and foled the front cover and like 45 pages behind the back cover and read it like a magazine. needless to say i was very pissy.
Second time was at a tournement where salamander TH/SS termies rolled all his attacks and armor pens then after he only penned maybe 3 times (he scooped the dice up before i could see the results) said "oh i forgot they were mastercrafted" then picked up all the dice and re-rolled and blew up all 3 of my killa kans

Children telling me that my army isn't very good because they're "not space marines."
In fact, children in general piss me off.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I normally do not swear. I can splash hot grease on my hand, have a horrible day at work, whatever, I can keep myself from swearing. As soon as you hand me an un-assembled model and some glue I turn into the most foul mouthed sailor in the world. I have threatened pieces with horrible horrible acts that would make Hitler cringe.

Anyone else get the same way or have another aspect of this hobby that makes you want to flay babies?

These are my pet peeves when playing, but most usually make me laugh out loud or just annoy me slightly. If they become an actual problem then I just walk way from the table and find another opponent, especially for #1. Closest I get to angry is #3. I HATE it when people walk up to the table and grab minis from the middle of an active game. Hate it even more when little kids come up and want to touch everything and have sticky or greasing fingers from recent snacking. I will smack an adult who comes over and touches my minis with sticky or greasy fingers as they are old enough to know better...

1) Complete lack of WYSIWYG in an army and then wanting to be really specific about it. I am fine if you have a bunch of heavies with missile launchers and instead want them to represent lascannons, but don't tell me that those four missile launcher marines are armed with: 1 lascannon, 1 meltagun, 1 plasma cannon and 1 missile launcher. No thanks. Or that this unit of all bolter marines is really devastators with previously listed weapon kit out, but some still with bolters. I tell these people to find another opponent. *Unless* before the game they come to me and say I have a unit of devastators, but want to try out different weapons with that *one* unit only will I say OK. Drop it on me suddenly and do it with multiple units and I will smack you.
2) Complete lack of understanding of what your army does or doesn't do. Bad enough when you ask me what all of the weapons in your force do (they have those convenient charts in the back of the codecies for a reason!), but don't expect me to know how your army's special rules work, or forget that a unit has a great special rule that would have saved them in an event that happened 2 turns ago and expect me to let you put it back on the table because you just remembered it. If you can't bother to remember your own unit abilities that isn't my problem, unless you are a complete noob and the purpose of our game is for me to help you learn and remember the special rules for your units.
3) Don't touch my stuff (edited from self...hehehe) or pick up any of my things without my permission. Especially do not pick up minis off a table in the middle of a game to check them out because we both know you won't put them back in the right place AND I have to stop paying attention to my turn to make sure you, a total stranger, don't mess up my mini and make sure it gets back in the right spot.
4) Don't complain that the army you play all the time sucks or is terrible at the things it is known to be terrible for. I don't really want to hear every time your IG fail to hit a target or get slaughtered in melee that IG just suck at shooting or melee. We all know that. You, playing them, should know that best of all.
5) Someone pulling out their homemade rules for a unit that looks exactly like an existing unit in the army and expecting me to suddenly say it is OK for them to interject their completely unexplained homemade unit without batting an eye. I like forge world models and have them in all of my armies. First thing I do before pulling any of my force for a game is ask "Do you mind forge world units?" If so I can save us both some time and let us both find new opponents. Don't whip out your homemade rules out of the blue. The time for that is before the game happens you ask, "I have made my own unit I would like to try do you mind testing them in this game with me?" Then hand me the rules and let me decide at that point if I want to help you do so or not. Don't drop them in the middle of the game and then get all whiny because I won't agree to it and your "whole" battle planned relied on using their fancy special ability because I won't care. This also links back to #1, if your unit doesn't look like what it really is, then it is up to you to make it clear not for me to remember things.


Now there are exceptions to all of these things. #1 is OK in a game where a friend says they want to proxy some stuff to check out a new army config before spending the money on it. #2 is OK occasionally or when you've played the same army for years and then switch to something else I will be very accomodating, but if you've been playing the same army for years and still can't remember your rules you are definitely smack worthy. #3 generally isn't acceptable for me at all. I ALWAYS ask before I touch someone else's minis. ALWAYS. And if I want to examine a model during a game I look at it where it sits on the table and touch nothing, and then only do it if the players or working on something on the other side of the table. It is rude to block a game just because you are curious. #5 you really need to tell people if you intend to use homemade rules or it will pretty much always start an argument of some kind.

Skriker

One in particular that's been bugging me lately is that we have several people who come into the FLGS to hang out, buy models, etc. They brag about how AWESOME their army is (or is going to be, when it's finished), but they always have some excuse as to why they can't come play. One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted, and he's doing a ton of kitbashing on it so it's taken him a long time. Another guy just got his army out of storage, but can't play until he strips all the models and repaints them. There are a couple more people who do similar things, and any time any of them start bragging about their army, I want to give them a good shake and tell them to put up or shut up.

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

 Griddlelol wrote:

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

The issue is not the bare models but that they won't play at all instead these guys just drop buckets of cash at the FLGS and then boast about how awesome the army they are building is. They are going for Golden Deamon level of Paint work because these "Amazing/Awesome armies" are never actually fielded.

I much perfer painted armies to unpainted. However if someone brags about an army no one has ever seen then yeah that can get old after a while. I haven't run my Imperial Fists in a while because of wanting to have the army fully painted so I've been running my 'Nid army but I always bring in a couple of my IF's to show that the army is coming along or some other paint project like my Death Watch unit. Then I can get painting feedback or wargear input and the like. Plus with model in hand and a different model every time it elivates that desire for them to want to play against it and it nurfs their want to say things like "bring the army we want to see," or "if your army is so awesome why don't you play it..."

 dalsiandon wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

The issue is not the bare models but that they won't play at all instead these guys just drop buckets of cash at the FLGS and then boast about how awesome the army they are building is. They are going for Golden Deamon level of Paint work because these "Amazing/Awesome armies" are never actually fielded.

I much perfer painted armies to unpainted. However if someone brags about an army no one has ever seen then yeah that can get old after a while. I haven't run my Imperial Fists in a while because of wanting to have the army fully painted so I've been running my 'Nid army but I always bring in a couple of my IF's to show that the army is coming along or some other paint project like my Death Watch unit. Then I can get painting feedback or wargear input and the like. Plus with model in hand and a different model every time it elivates that desire for them to want to play against it and it nurfs their want to say things like "bring the army we want to see," or "if your army is so awesome why don't you play it..."

^this.

Additionally, these guys come in every week, bragging about how awesome their army is going to be in combat. Not how awesome they'll LOOK, which I would understand. And if you don't want to play until your models are finished, that's fine - but don't come around every week bragging about how badass your army is. Like I said originally, put up or shut up.

People who whine about the price of GW but treat the existence of 3rd party proxies as it were a personal offense. They remind me of domestic abuse victims who always go back to their puddin.

People who don't realize the 40k fluff was originally parody and get super butthurt if everyone doesn't have their emo-hat on when they play. (This would include most of the current GW staff.)

20 page posts on the impossibility of female space marines

Space marines

Space marine players that smell like whiteout and pretend to only speak Farsi when you tell them to roll their armor saves

Unpainted Minis that are also unassembled. Also if you don't take them out of the box it's hard to measure their movement.

Parasprites

The fact that I nearly spent $50 on some BB ork cheerleaders. More to the point that I realized there was something very wrong with me that I was so concerned with ork boobies.

Pointless joke posts

When people complain that games are sexist.

When people complain that games unrealistic.

Ooh, thought of another one.

The Bloodtide story - or rather, the overly-exaggerated version going around the Internets last year.

It's the only instance I can think of where I was so enveloped in rage that I butchered a nicely-painted metal model just to make it suffer.

It took me a couple of weeks till I calmed down about it to the point where I felt remorse about destroying it.

I've butchered painted models before for similarly stupid reasons - one of which was an OOP Canoness with the icon and combi-weapon, which I butchered in a failed experiment to try to make an Infested Kerrigan miniature shortly after Starcraft 2 came out.

But... Never out of losing my cool about something.

Theres 2 things that make me lose my cool

1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

2) Building metal models. This is the ONLY reason i like resin, its far easier to assemble and tweak...metal is better for every other reason though. I spent 4 hours trying to put together my metal ghazzy i got in an ebay deal because it would hold, dry, then just fall off cuz its so heavy 30 minutes later.

EDIT: Oh, third one sorry.

3) People who claim they play friendly and just want to have fun outside a tourny, then bring the cheesiest list ever every game. Im down for letting little things slip in friendly games, but dont expect me to lay terrain out "fair and equal" if youre going to bring the ultimate cheese army you possibly can every damn game. If i can, i will terrain/deploy in ways that will heavily benefit me and screw you over - youre suppose to do that - i just dont waste my time on mathhammering or detailed-measuring every single attack to make sure every wound is legit.

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...

Dragonzord wrote:

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...

Losing because of multiple failboat dice or a group of units plastered what they were suppose to is one thing. Literally going from miles ahead to instant-loss in 1 roll is annoying as hell.

Vineheart01 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...

Losing because of multiple failboat dice or a group of units plastered what they were suppose to is one thing. Literally going from miles ahead to instant-loss in 1 roll is annoying as hell.

this is why we play a game of chance..

A few of mine are:

1: People who make army lists after you agree to a game. They know I play Space Marines and use tanks, and build accordingly. (I generally put them down regardless, but it's still irking)

2: People who touch my models (generally HQ choices, i don't really care about marine #1523) without permission. I won't touch yours without permission (unless I've played with you a lot, but by then, we are cool/know each other enough that it's fine).

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

4: Completely unpainted armies. I can live with it if they atleast are primer black, but if they are all plastic grey, it's very annoying. It's not as bad as terribly painted armies, but at least they tried.

5: People who complain about something like D-podding Sternguard. Honestly, if you are too dumb to reserve your expensive tanks from the incoming Meltas, you deserve to lose them all. put some infantry around your tanks for a 5+ cover save. Or, even better, make them untargetable! And, on the bright side, if you are playing Codex Marines, you don't have to worry about a flyer, so when he pops your Aegis gun, big woop. Same goes for when you drive your Land Raider in front of a Vindicator, and then complain you get blasted to the stone age from the Demolisher Cannon.

6: On the forums, the people who constantly bash GW in GW oriented threads. We get it, you play Infinity/Warmahordes/Flames of War. Go to those threads and circle jerk about how awesome you are for playing these other games.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

Many of the posts in this thread inspire me to wrath

I dislike the disrespect that is sometimes shown to other players, mostly. Everyone's situation is different, and it annoys me to see people grouped arbitrarily with other people based off of the slightest provocation.

I realize I have done it as well, I end up pissed off at myself when I do.

 Melissia wrote:
Many of the posts in this thread inspire me to wrath

I dislike the disrespect that is sometimes shown to other players, mostly. Everyone's situation is different, and it annoys me to see people grouped arbitrarily with other people based off of the slightest provocation.

I realize I have done it as well, I end up pissed off at myself when I do.

Generally when I write my pet peeves I think of one or two people at the GW store I play at when I do.

Most of the time, 40k Players/Fantasy Players that I've met are nice/patient, are in it for kicks, and don't take it super serious. Printed army lists, mostly painted armies, all their equipment on hand, and know (most) of the rules. Occassionally we have to look up a few things in the book, or one of us needs clarification on what something from X Codex does, and we have a good time.

Just a few people though...

little bits of hanging gak everywhere. marines thinking of their armour as a christmas tree.

are they going to continue making the models busier and busier? im guessing the marines five years from now will be covered in gak from head to toe.

Crazyterran wrote:
A few of mine are:

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

So you hate playing people new to the game. It's cool that you've read every codex back to back, or that you've played so many times you know the rules perfectly, but some people have to learn. Frankly I'd rather play with someone who's learning than someone who acts as though new players should be discouraged.

 lambsandlions wrote:
Rules layering in casual games when I previously let things slide for them. For example, Turn 1 I shoot out of a building. He claims that only 5 of my squad can see so I agree and only roll 5 dice, then when I use a template two guys are under it but just barely so we agree the blast only hits 3. Next turn his guys don't move but suddenly he can see 8 of my guys (how can you see them but they can't see you?) then he shoots a blast and says that my pulse rifle is under the marker and it counts. When claiming area terrain the area that the terrain covers is always largest when he needs the cover and smallest when I am claiming it as cover. Suddenly all the fun was taken out of the game.

Solution be a douche back in a passive aggressive way. If someone forgets to fire a weapon/unit etc I'm normally good about it. If they say 'I'm going to be mean' 'too late' or whatever thats ok. It's their right. But I will exercise similar rights when they cock up using the same language they used so they know why.

 Griddlelol wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
A few of mine are:

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

So you hate playing people new to the game. It's cool that you've read every codex back to back, or that you've played so many times you know the rules perfectly, but some people have to learn. Frankly I'd rather play with someone who's learning than someone who acts as though new players should be discouraged.

People who are legitimately new are fine. They usually are pretty easy to pick out going into a game. I've played plenty of games against new people, and generally take a weaker list to make the game more fun for the both of us.

People who I've seen playing for months/a year, on the other hand, and don't remember basic things out of their own codex, or out of the rulebook, annoy the hell out of me. They either do it on purpose or can't be bothered to learn the rules of the game they've been playing for the past few months/year.

Crazyterran wrote:

People who I've seen playing for months/a year, on the other hand, and don't remember basic things out of their own codex, or out of the rulebook, annoy the hell out of me. They either do it on purpose or can't be bothered to learn the rules of the game they've been playing for the past few months/year.

I've clearly not played as many games as you, and most of the people I play with don't get to game every month, let alone every week. In a hobby that takes a large time investment to play, I consider someone who's been playing for a year a newbie. Clearly it's different circumstances for us both, but I still disagree with being impatient with people who don't know the rules yet, hell, it's best to learn by doing anyway.

People who pick models up (including objective markers) during a game.

WHY?!

Money

 Heartless wrote:
People who pick models up (including objective markers) during a game.

WHY?!

Urgh, That upsets me, I have had games where people pick them up and put them back in the wrong place, messing everything up.

when people make fun of other people their paintjobs and hide it as a joke

players who don't properly roll their dice and some of them(dice) end up sliding from their hand onto the table on the exact same number as it was on in their hand.

When GW says that they do not tolerate the use of any other model than GW models in your army when you play in the store

1. People moving models/objectives during a game
2. People who have played for 2 years and don't know their codex or the rules

All the grey areas in GW rules, and the poor cross references, unclear wording ....

I'm often looking up rules, due to memory issues in both myself and my opponent. My opponent has some bad memory problems in general - but not Alzheimer's, she's been tested and that's a negatory on that. Myself, I have a good, maybe even great memory for the "what" (though the "who" and especially the "when" are iffy at best) but I can't keep the phrasing straight in my mind. I can remember that rules exist for a specific situation, but I never remember exactly what they say. Also, memories from like 15 years ago are just as clear as memories that happened yesterday, or heck, even just hours ago. I don't mean they're perfect and crystal clear, but there's no real degradation in clarity in my memories based on how old the memory is.

When I try to quote things from memory, I often end up with something similar to the original, but with different words and turns of phrase. By this point I've learned that if phrasing matters - like it does for rules - I should just look it up. At least I can learn stat profiles pretty easily (though I still make mistakes on occasion. Recently I got confused on Celestine's Initiative, but fortunately I was fighting Orks so it didn't matter) for troops, vehicles, and weapons, particularly if I use them often. So I know a Sister of Battle's basic statline and I know which units have buffs to a particular area (Like Seraphim have a buff to WS over a basic Sister, and Nobz have a buff to Strength).

Remembering character statlines can be a pain, so I have to look them up pretty often. It's because they're so out of whack compared to the basic troopers in multiple areas, and their stats don't come up as often as the standard stuff does because the characters (oh, not including basic unit leaders like Sergeants and Nobz, which are only buffed a little in a couple different areas, usually just a small boost to Attacks) are nowhere near as numerous on the table.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not so much that I don't care enough to learn my rules, so much as it is that my memory simply will not remember the rules well enough to be referred to for certain cases.

Another thing that grinds my gears is people who try to disprove/prove a rule or faq based on theory, not fact.
If youre going to challenge a rule with a hairy explanation, you better have a page number to back it up.
Too often ive had long arguments over how something works because it wasnt written in a way you cant interpret it in any other way and not because it was THAT badly written, but because my opponent kept throwing other "but this"s in the argument with no proof of it. Simply saying "Its faq'd" without a faq in your hand or able to look it up on your phone doesnt fly. Unless its hurting you, or its a minor incident, i wont believe it till you show me it.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Another thing that grinds my gears is people who try to disprove/prove a rule or faq based on theory, not fact.
If youre going to challenge a rule with a hairy explanation, you better have a page number to back it up.
Too often ive had long arguments over how something works because it wasnt written in a way you cant interpret it in any other way and not because it was THAT badly written, but because my opponent kept throwing other "but this"s in the argument with no proof of it. Simply saying "Its faq'd" without a faq in your hand or able to look it up on your phone doesnt fly. Unless its hurting you, or its a minor incident, i wont believe it till you show me it.

related to this i have a story that had my 40k mates in stiches thanks to the new challenge rules. And most of my gripes are with how in one game the ruleswork fine then in another they make things seem rather absurd and a little WTF!!!

the story- in a league game a few weeks back there was a Chaos Vs Necron game, it comes to chaos turn 2 and the Chaos player elects to charge 6 or so wraiths (with destroyer lord attached) with the follwing- 20 cultists, 6 chaos spawn, Nurgle Lord and roughly 20 Plague marines. At this point it is worth noting that said chaos list was using Mr Epidermus... However, the lord has to issue a challenge, so the necron lord accepts, and the rest of the wraiths are spalttered, thanks to the epi buffs the Nurgle lord survives the necron lord (even with those mind shackle scarabs...) then the question goes "err what happens now" we all take a look in the rules and it results in the killer line "unitl you kill the lord all those units are stuck there in combat, with any chaos challenger getting at least 4 re-rolls"

So for the next 3 turns the necron lord stays there, he kills the lord, but a plague marine champion issues another challenge and keeps on passing his fnp saves (3+ due to epi), and the necorn player wins on turn 5 due to having line breaker etc.... and rolling a 1...


suffice to say we were laughing our heads off...

Art_of_war wrote:
So for the next 3 turns the necron lord stays there, he kills the lord, but a plague marine champion issues another challenge and keeps on passing his fnp saves (3+ due to epi), and the necorn player wins on turn 5 due to having line breaker etc.... and rolling a 1...


suffice to say we were laughing our heads off...

That is an awesome story and one to think about when you try to overwhelm a potent character with a flood of forces with an army that MUST issue challanges. In the old days they could have just swarmed the Necron Lord, but that forced challange rule means unless the chaos side has a potent character in the mix to start they can be shooting themselves in the foot doing what this guy did.

Skriker

Wait, so ALL the units have to stay in combat? Damn.
See, that's why the Glorious Intervention comes in handy. You can just say "Alright, my Cultist Champion is switching out to fight the Necron Lord," and hopefully it doesn't end up like this.

1. In continuing with people trying to prove/disprove rules: People who try to apply real life and real life experiences to the rules of a tabletop game and the characteristics of models/weapons. It's made up FFS... give it a rest.

2. Rules lawyers who have memorized every possible rule and can/do cite (when applicable) everything down to the specific rulebook/codex, page, paragraph and line... of the previous edition of the game. Dump the old info, read the new stuff, get with the times.

3. GW gimmicks to sell models (and damnit if they don't work, those bastards!). We're making flyers an option in regular games!!! Here's a megadeathflyingwhatsitsname for $627 dollars!!! - sold out in 5 minutes. *le sigh*

4. Poor hygiene by some gamers (only specifically mentioned because of the thread subject... this applies to all of humanity). Adding cologne/perfume to "stench" does not work and is not a suitable replacement for a shower/bath and deodorant.

5. Already touched on numerous times, but sportsmanship. I'll be honest in tht I probably only win about 1/2 to 2/3 of the games I play and that's largely based upon the fact that I take a lot of chances and sometimes the dice gods are with me and sometimes they aren't. But I don't get my enjoyment out of winning; I derive mine from simply playing and being in the hobby. I love the fluff (even if a ton of it is pirated from somewhere) and I love the models and I love how many people paint and I love the interaction with genuinely good people. Asshats who powergame and get pissy at a loss can go kick rocks barefoot in a minefield in Afghanistan during a sandstorm. If you're only in it to win, I perosnally think you shouldn't be playing.

6. Self-righteous bastards like me who judge people who are powergamers...

eXetus wrote:
4. Poor hygiene by some gamers (only specifically mentioned because of the thread subject... this applies to all of humanity). Adding cologne/perfume to "stench" does not work and is not a suitable replacement for a shower/bath and deodorant.

5. Already touched on numerous times, but sportsmanship. I'll be honest in tht I probably only win about 1/2 to 2/3 of the games I play and that's largely based upon the fact that I take a lot of chances and sometimes the dice gods are with me and sometimes they aren't. But I don't get my enjoyment out of winning; I derive mine from simply playing and being in the hobby. I love the fluff (even if a ton of it is pirated from somewhere) and I love the models and I love how many people paint and I love the interaction with genuinely good people. Asshats who powergame and get pissy at a loss can go kick rocks barefoot in a minefield in Afghanistan during a sandstorm. If you're only in it to win, I perosnally think you shouldn't be playing.

For #4 also add that an excessive amount of cologne/perfume is unnecessary when you bathe regularly. As an asthmatic I don't need my lungs closing up on my because you felt the need to bathe in aqua velva..

On #5 I also don't understand those who have linked their self esteem so tightly to the performance of their little toy soldiers than even the slightest setback and trigger waves of rage. What happened to "It is only a game?" If you MUST win then go do something non-competitive with your time. You will be much happier without the added pressure in what is supposed to be a relaxing and fun hobby.

Skriker

OH man i was just looking for this thread like 2 days ago, i finally have an answer.

Priming, i hate priming my models, because if i do to much, i lose the detail and my model looks like a blob, do to little and paint does not stick. i HATE IT!