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Ailaros wrote:However, I absolutely, positively, hate army builder. They put way too much information on the page, so that I can't actually find the pertinent information. You might as well write your list as a crossword puzzle. Yes, I know what the statline for a marine is, all I need to know is which heavy weapons it has. Complex units are the worst. Where I might write "5x Terminators - chainfist, lightning claws, heavy flamer, MoN, icon, mutation, vets", that would take a half a page to write with army builder, and I'd probably miss something important embedded in all that needless detail, like the heavy flamer or the icon.

Good god a million times this. I only use it at tournaments, where we're required to at my store (which while a good thing, I hate mainly because I have a horrible time using it) It just has so much useless information that I don't need to know. A single guard squad with melta/lascannon takes up like a 1/8 of a page! It helps new guys a bit, but then they start to use it as a crutch, instead of memorizing their codex, or at least learning what page everything is on.

Other random things that set me off for no discern-able reason.

1. Bronies
2. Furries
3. Hygiene issues
4. The "borderline creepy guy who won't leave you alone" guy
5. People who don't know basic rules, then call me TFG when I use them. (Rapid fire guns can move and fire 24" now? Chimeras can flat out? Whatever)

1 and 2 are probably a result of spending too much time on /tg/, but also because it kind of just reinforces negative stereotypes that people associate with this hobby. Kind of like how people hate on Sheldon from big bang theory for being a very stereotypically autistic person (although I will admit I know several people literally just like him, my brother included). Those, and 3 and 4, are the reasons why I've never tried to get some of my other friends into the game or at least let them tag along with me some time. Most of the people at the places where I play at are really cool and perfectly normal, but every now and then the odd ones show up, and I know it would just scare my friends off. (yes I realize stupid arguments are about to erupt over this, but I'm going to be honest whether you like it or not)

Number 5 is just because it gets really annoying knowing that at any moment, some random rule you're going to use could cause your opponent to get upset. I just want to enjoy the game, and let my opponent enjoy it too. When basic rules can potentially set them off, it's no fun for anybody.

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
This is why I love Finecast. No more pinning. Drop of superglue, and done. Bond is stronger than the resin itself.

Which is why it breaks just beyond the joint.

Then you glue that point with superglue. Because resin breaks clean, there won't even be a visible break line in the paint. Unless you're playing soccer with your models, breaks aren't going to be frequent anyway.

Techmarine servo harnesses are a little fragile.

I had to get a FInecast one to make my biker Master of the Forge out of. I have a metal one on foot, though I stuck on the Finecast arm and swapped his bolter for a plasma pistol. Shooting seems to be his thing.

The plastic torso with finecast pack fell over and broke through just above one of the arms. Had to pin and glue it.

At least it's easy to drill.

Opponents getting mad and arguing when you're telling them a rule for THEIR benefit. That one always annoys me quite a bit.

Haters gonna hate!

1. people who dig on me because of who i am, nerd? You mean smart person? Homosexual? You mean someone who enjoys brightly coloured ponies solving social problems in a fun and dynamic way?

2. On to warhammer....Back seat gamers. I know my army list is rubbish, you dont have t tell me EVERY time i play and say my army should be like yours (boring venom-spam w/ ravagers)

3. Dont touch my models with out asking, really gets me annoyed.

4. when models just dont go togeather, i had to use clamps to get my raider to glue!

5. FINECRAP/FAILCAST/FAILCRAP. Oh god, i wish i never bought my incubi, they dont look menecing when every single klaive has brocken off! And eldrad staff is bent, leading to lots of...inappropriate jokes in my FLGS.

**if you type F A G it turns it into ciggrette, cool!**





*You dont hate Bronies, you are jumping on the bandwagon of haters but you dont know why you hate us, you just do.*

Personally I hate people who can't just play the game and enjoy it they drive me absolutely nuts. Also Bronies are a pain.

Also people who want to try and tell me that I need more temple guard in my lizards (hint I run zero.)

I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

The main thing that frustrates me about this hobby is cleaning models.

Once I'm past the mold line/flash stage I'm ok, but every time I see a metal mini with a case of mold slip I die a little inside... (seriously, it took me almost a week to clean up a metal Ikit Klaw because I couldn't bring myself to sit there for more than 5 minutes at a time filing and trimming the flash/slip lines). It's the only reason I haven't finished my Armorcast 'Folder Bot' (aka the 'not Bender') the arms and legs got a little too much flash on them, and being the 'ribbed hose' style affairs', it's a real pain cleaning them up.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

Lets be more specific about Bronies I don't like (hate is way to strong of a word for this use.) people who try to shoe horn them into 40k. These two universes do not mix. However it is your hobby to do what you want even if i don't like it or anyone else for that matter. You get to do what makes you happy.
Not mad just wanted to point out this point that many other people miss.

Also on your point about completely unpainted armies. PREACH brother!

Oh and DarkCorsair keep in mind you act older than you are.

 Ailaros wrote:

However, I absolutely, positively, hate army builder. They put way too much information on the page, so that I can't actually find the pertinent information. You might as well write your list as a crossword puzzle. Yes, I know what the statline for a marine is, all I need to know is which heavy weapons it has. Complex units are the worst. Where I might write "5x Terminators - chainfist, lightning claws, heavy flamer, MoN, icon, mutation, vets", that would take a half a page to write with army builder, and I'd probably miss something important embedded in all that needless detail, like the heavy flamer or the icon.

I use Army Builder (just because I find it really easy to use), and I really agree with you. They put way too much. So, I usually just copy and paste the list it gives me into a word document and take out all the unneeded things (like stat-lines and specific points). Works really well for the most part

People who use this game as an outlet for their inadequacies.

Let me give an example....

Once I walked into this gaming store and saw the employee playing a 16 year old in a 40k game. The employee talking trash to the young man and beating him relentlessly.

That struck me. Why the heck would any employee of a gaming store do that? Instead he should make it a good game, and let the young man win a few games. His goal should be to spark interest in the game in customers, not to cover his inadequacies by beating someone new at the game.

Luckly for that gaming store, that employee is no longer there -- and KnightFall games is a better store for it.

At the bronies who may or may not be upset with my last post, the thread asked "what makes you lose your cool"? I simply listed things that made me lose my cool. I have no personal vendetta or hatred towards you, I just do not care for the "brony" subculture. I can respect people who can pull off the conversions and all that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Just like you have your reasons for liking it, I have mine for disliking it. I am not trying to make a personal attack against you guys in any way, and if it comes across that way that was not my intention. Me disliking bronies is really no different than others hating on squats (and I like the idea of the squats very much) or something else along those lines.

Like I said, it's probably from spending too much time on /tg/ (where you see the really idiotic side of the bronies come across, although that can be said for literally anyone on /tg/ ) Don't read into it too much and be thankful I'm not one of the guys who will intentionally derail this thread to do nothing but complain about how bronies are ruining 40k or some other stupid argument. Live and let live and all that.

(if you are a furry getting offended at my first post, feel free to replace "brony" with "furry" in this post)

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
(if you are a furry getting offended at my first post, feel free to replace "brony" with "furry" in this post)

:: hugs :: I wasn't gonna say anything. ^^

The only thing i dislike about bronies is that they're all so in your face about it... So what, you like a cartoon, grats. Oh wait, noone cares, and its just a kids show.

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I like duck tales. Shall i go around informing people of that, or is it not popular enough a cartoon?

How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Reading comments on sites like this where people say things like "I don't play 40k any more because GW suck, the rules are crap and its all too expensive, Warmahordes is much better, 40K sucks, I play a proper game now!"

What ever happened to "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"?

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
Reading comments on sites like this where people say things like "I don't play 40k any more because GW suck, the rules are crap and its all too expensive, Warmahordes is much better, 40K sucks, I play a proper game now!"

What ever happened to "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"?

QFT

Off-topic: I'm a very casual brony, in that I just watch the show, and that is really it. Barely talk about it, never make fan content, never post pics, never analyze episodes or deeper character meanings. But, I do understand that some people think bronies are very in-you-face-about-it. A guy I know is such. Just the way he can go on kills the show for me. But a big reason for why many do so is that bronies often expect personal attacks everywhere they go for liking a cartoon. So they are very defensive, and parade their "brony pride" to show that they aren't ashamed so that people (hopefully) won't attack. New members to the Fan base adopt this attitude, even I it is unnecessary in their situation.

On topic: I hate when people try to tell me I can't use my converted or scrathbuilt models, especially if it isn't a GW store. Pal, I don't have enough cash to shell out for three battlewagons and six trukks. Besides, I play orks, and they look good that way. So stop telling me I can't use my models.

 washout77 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

that, and the previous example of mass effect would be less silly than MLP, simply because those three are all science fiction, which is at least in the same genre as 40k. It still wouldnt make much sense to have such avatars/sigs, but it makes more sense than cartoon horses...

trully, mlp has no place in 40k, and it totally unrelated to the topic. Hence why it seems so in your face where people just spam stuff about it, when it has nothing to do with it. Kinda like a group of people talking about 40k, then this random dude just walks into the group, yells 'MY LITTLE PONY' and walks away, and keeps doing it.

Arrogance. All of the people who think and boast that they are golden demon painters or on that caliber but aren't and then trash everyone elses models. Also table etiquette is big for me, as well as veteran players who cheat and only play easy win people.

 labmouse42 wrote:
People who use this game as an outlet for their inadequacies.

Let me give an example....

Once I walked into this gaming store and saw the employee playing a 16 year old in a 40k game. The employee talking trash to the young man and beating him relentlessly.

That struck me. Why the heck would any employee of a gaming store do that? Instead he should make it a good game, and let the young man win a few games. His goal should be to spark interest in the game in customers, not to cover his inadequacies by beating someone new at the game.

Luckly for that gaming store, that employee is no longer there -- and KnightFall games is a better store for it.

Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

Without a doubt painting, my least favourite part of the Hobby.

Also several of the allies combinations in the chart really don't make sense.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

On this we can agree to disagree. I've built and ran a number of companies designed for entertainment/hobby purposes. This one is still in business today.

You build a customer base by making them excited about a product. You do this by getting them interested. Instead of 'throwing games' you bring horribly undereffective units. That way your playing at your best, and the other guy never feels like your giving him the game, but your handi-cap is so great your not going to win every game.

In turn you get the customer excited about the game, and at the same time you teach him so when he plays the other players he does not lose every game.

That's what a smart employee does.

 labmouse42 wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Yep it's so much better to let the kid win a few games, make him spend a lot so he is beaten later by other players... not really imo. Also letting someone win is more disrespectful than trash talking, that was a proper attitude from the employee (at least if it was trash talking not insults or sth) treating the guy like other players instead of cheap marketing and fake smiles, no wonder he got fired.

On this we can agree to disagree. I've built and ran a number of companies designed for entertainment/hobby purposes. This one is still in business today.

Oh from a company perspective sure you're right, why should I care about that though. I mean proper like decent not effective in pushing toys to strangers.

 labmouse42 wrote:
You build a customer base by making them excited about a product. You do this by getting them interested. Instead of 'throwing games' you bring horribly undereffective units. That way your playing at your best, and the other guy never feels like your giving him the game, but your handi-cap is so great your not going to win every game.

In turn you get the customer excited about the game, and at the same time you teach him so when he plays the other players he does not lose every game.

That's what a smart employee does.

So I walk into such a store and play demo game with such an employee. I am given top tier SW or GK or Necrons army or just a good one and he plays a gunline of Pyrovores, I am so excited, this is great I am natural born warlord in this, I own... oh wait, such situation will not happen ever in normal matchups. Is the smart employee letting me know that? Because if I know then it's not a game just showcasing of rules, if he doesn't tell me then that's just shady. Also you're not going to learn a lot from winning the skewed matchup while on the other hand, beating from the employee assuming close armies power - wise would show you exactly what a difference skill makes, how to play efficiently, how does the game really look like etc. What you describe sounds better than just loosing the game on purpose but is still bad imo.

I know where you are coming from but for me that's all cheap, building enthusiasm, the smart lying called marketing etc. Salesman should be a normal, informative guy imo and that's why I like the trashtalking employee beating a customer in 40k, he's clearly not one of the sleazy Amway types who think they're smart because they've just earned 1$ by tricking you into buying something.

Btw as for GW, the way they train salesman along with using rules to sell models are their most repulsive qualities for me. I would prefer a circle of neckbeards sitting in the dark, spitting on the floor and answering your questions with questions or pseudophilosophical blabber as a GW shop that all those guys who have and love that exact model that you are thinking whether to buy or not.

- Unhygienic Players - Please go
- People who don't attempt to paint their armies. Started Warmachine, My friend and I seem to be the only one with a fully painted armies. I just don't like the fact that they simply do not even try to start painting - Just build and play.
- Backseat players - I've been to more tournaments and events then you, go watch quietly, do not comment on everything
- Bronies/Social aspies

Dragonzord wrote:

 washout77 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

The people with ponies as avatars and sigs just make me facepalm. What, you want everyone to know you're a brony? Like enjoying a specific cartoon is a mark of pride that you feel you MUST share with everyone?

I also like Doctor Who and im a big fan of Star Wars. If I have some of that stuff as my signature and avatar, is that just as sad? I like the shows/movies just as much as I like MLP. Is that such a big deal? If it is, then what's even the point of having avatars and signatures?

that, and the previous example of mass effect would be less silly than MLP, simply because those three are all science fiction, which is at least in the same genre as 40k. It still wouldnt make much sense to have such avatars/sigs, but it makes more sense than cartoon horses...

trully, mlp has no place in 40k, and it totally unrelated to the topic. Hence why it seems so in your face where people just spam stuff about it, when it has nothing to do with it. Kinda like a group of people talking about 40k, then this random dude just walks into the group, yells 'MY LITTLE PONY' and walks away, and keeps doing it.

Actually, it's more like a group of people talking and one of them is wearing a MLP shirt.. i've never seen a person on this forum with a pony avatar actually bring up mlp in a 40k conversation, unless someone starts saying that they ruin the game. Then they act in self-defense.

Example, i like the regular show, and adventure time. Both are cartoons. Would you feel like your hobby was being ruined if my avatar was of Finn, or Jake the dog? It's fine to have opinions. I'm not really a fan of star trek. It doesn't interest me. But i don't sneer at anyone with a trek shirt, or who's avatar is picard, and tell them that their enjoyments have no place in "MY" hobby.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont get it. What do bronies have to do with 40k? I mean, its your right to hate them, I just dont get what they pertain to in this thread.
But OT: I hate Completely Unpainted armies, Armies that show that the player has no intention of painting. I like to imagine two armies facing eatchother. the Grey Models ruing it for me. At a tournament recently the Organizer said "I would get the door prize to the best painted army" Looks over to me "But we only have one painted army" It just ticks me off.
Then, people who whine when my Stern guard come in Via drop pod and kill their tanks.

I'm the worlds worst at painting, dont hate us, we dont hate you. Its just that I like the game not the hobby. At least some of them are painted................technically primer gray/grey is painted.

Oh and sternguard. F those tanks, who cares what the other person thinks. IF YOU PLAY SM AND YOU DON'T PLAY STERNGUARD PEOPLE.....YOUR WRONG.

clively wrote:
When someone literally starts crying (even just a few tears) when they start losing.

Makes me want to grab their toy soldiers and stomp them into dust.

when someone lies on the internet

My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

bubbinski wrote:
My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

I hate mysterious terrain. It is really disruptive in WHFB.

I kind of like the random charge distances, it helps keep people from doing a "I want to charge, but do not want to be charged" shuffle.