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Dragonzord wrote:

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...

Losing because of multiple failboat dice or a group of units plastered what they were suppose to is one thing. Literally going from miles ahead to instant-loss in 1 roll is annoying as hell.

Vineheart01 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...

Losing because of multiple failboat dice or a group of units plastered what they were suppose to is one thing. Literally going from miles ahead to instant-loss in 1 roll is annoying as hell.

this is why we play a game of chance..

A few of mine are:

1: People who make army lists after you agree to a game. They know I play Space Marines and use tanks, and build accordingly. (I generally put them down regardless, but it's still irking)

2: People who touch my models (generally HQ choices, i don't really care about marine #1523) without permission. I won't touch yours without permission (unless I've played with you a lot, but by then, we are cool/know each other enough that it's fine).

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

4: Completely unpainted armies. I can live with it if they atleast are primer black, but if they are all plastic grey, it's very annoying. It's not as bad as terribly painted armies, but at least they tried.

5: People who complain about something like D-podding Sternguard. Honestly, if you are too dumb to reserve your expensive tanks from the incoming Meltas, you deserve to lose them all. put some infantry around your tanks for a 5+ cover save. Or, even better, make them untargetable! And, on the bright side, if you are playing Codex Marines, you don't have to worry about a flyer, so when he pops your Aegis gun, big woop. Same goes for when you drive your Land Raider in front of a Vindicator, and then complain you get blasted to the stone age from the Demolisher Cannon.

6: On the forums, the people who constantly bash GW in GW oriented threads. We get it, you play Infinity/Warmahordes/Flames of War. Go to those threads and circle jerk about how awesome you are for playing these other games.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

Many of the posts in this thread inspire me to wrath

I dislike the disrespect that is sometimes shown to other players, mostly. Everyone's situation is different, and it annoys me to see people grouped arbitrarily with other people based off of the slightest provocation.

I realize I have done it as well, I end up pissed off at myself when I do.

 Melissia wrote:
Many of the posts in this thread inspire me to wrath

I dislike the disrespect that is sometimes shown to other players, mostly. Everyone's situation is different, and it annoys me to see people grouped arbitrarily with other people based off of the slightest provocation.

I realize I have done it as well, I end up pissed off at myself when I do.

Generally when I write my pet peeves I think of one or two people at the GW store I play at when I do.

Most of the time, 40k Players/Fantasy Players that I've met are nice/patient, are in it for kicks, and don't take it super serious. Printed army lists, mostly painted armies, all their equipment on hand, and know (most) of the rules. Occassionally we have to look up a few things in the book, or one of us needs clarification on what something from X Codex does, and we have a good time.

Just a few people though...

little bits of hanging gak everywhere. marines thinking of their armour as a christmas tree.

are they going to continue making the models busier and busier? im guessing the marines five years from now will be covered in gak from head to toe.

Crazyterran wrote:
A few of mine are:

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

So you hate playing people new to the game. It's cool that you've read every codex back to back, or that you've played so many times you know the rules perfectly, but some people have to learn. Frankly I'd rather play with someone who's learning than someone who acts as though new players should be discouraged.

 lambsandlions wrote:
Rules layering in casual games when I previously let things slide for them. For example, Turn 1 I shoot out of a building. He claims that only 5 of my squad can see so I agree and only roll 5 dice, then when I use a template two guys are under it but just barely so we agree the blast only hits 3. Next turn his guys don't move but suddenly he can see 8 of my guys (how can you see them but they can't see you?) then he shoots a blast and says that my pulse rifle is under the marker and it counts. When claiming area terrain the area that the terrain covers is always largest when he needs the cover and smallest when I am claiming it as cover. Suddenly all the fun was taken out of the game.

Solution be a douche back in a passive aggressive way. If someone forgets to fire a weapon/unit etc I'm normally good about it. If they say 'I'm going to be mean' 'too late' or whatever thats ok. It's their right. But I will exercise similar rights when they cock up using the same language they used so they know why.

 Griddlelol wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
A few of mine are:

3: People who don't know their own Codex. When I'm telling you your rules for Codex: Necrons (A codex i loathe) you are doing it wrong. It's even worse when I forget something, and then they blame me for not letting them take their jink save or something. Or this guy who doesn't know Mark of Nurgle princes needed to take 1 spell from the Nurgle discipline, or that no, they don't get +1 T, or they don't know the S of a Lascannon. /sigh.

7: People who constantly forget rules. I'll remind you whenever it comes up, but if it goes the entire game, I'll just give up and let it go. If that means you end up forgetting to fire your super death weapon or move your flyer, so be it.

So you hate playing people new to the game. It's cool that you've read every codex back to back, or that you've played so many times you know the rules perfectly, but some people have to learn. Frankly I'd rather play with someone who's learning than someone who acts as though new players should be discouraged.

People who are legitimately new are fine. They usually are pretty easy to pick out going into a game. I've played plenty of games against new people, and generally take a weaker list to make the game more fun for the both of us.

People who I've seen playing for months/a year, on the other hand, and don't remember basic things out of their own codex, or out of the rulebook, annoy the hell out of me. They either do it on purpose or can't be bothered to learn the rules of the game they've been playing for the past few months/year.

Crazyterran wrote:

People who I've seen playing for months/a year, on the other hand, and don't remember basic things out of their own codex, or out of the rulebook, annoy the hell out of me. They either do it on purpose or can't be bothered to learn the rules of the game they've been playing for the past few months/year.

I've clearly not played as many games as you, and most of the people I play with don't get to game every month, let alone every week. In a hobby that takes a large time investment to play, I consider someone who's been playing for a year a newbie. Clearly it's different circumstances for us both, but I still disagree with being impatient with people who don't know the rules yet, hell, it's best to learn by doing anyway.

People who pick models up (including objective markers) during a game.

WHY?!

Money

 Heartless wrote:
People who pick models up (including objective markers) during a game.

WHY?!

Urgh, That upsets me, I have had games where people pick them up and put them back in the wrong place, messing everything up.

when people make fun of other people their paintjobs and hide it as a joke

players who don't properly roll their dice and some of them(dice) end up sliding from their hand onto the table on the exact same number as it was on in their hand.

When GW says that they do not tolerate the use of any other model than GW models in your army when you play in the store

1. People moving models/objectives during a game
2. People who have played for 2 years and don't know their codex or the rules

All the grey areas in GW rules, and the poor cross references, unclear wording ....

I'm often looking up rules, due to memory issues in both myself and my opponent. My opponent has some bad memory problems in general - but not Alzheimer's, she's been tested and that's a negatory on that. Myself, I have a good, maybe even great memory for the "what" (though the "who" and especially the "when" are iffy at best) but I can't keep the phrasing straight in my mind. I can remember that rules exist for a specific situation, but I never remember exactly what they say. Also, memories from like 15 years ago are just as clear as memories that happened yesterday, or heck, even just hours ago. I don't mean they're perfect and crystal clear, but there's no real degradation in clarity in my memories based on how old the memory is.

When I try to quote things from memory, I often end up with something similar to the original, but with different words and turns of phrase. By this point I've learned that if phrasing matters - like it does for rules - I should just look it up. At least I can learn stat profiles pretty easily (though I still make mistakes on occasion. Recently I got confused on Celestine's Initiative, but fortunately I was fighting Orks so it didn't matter) for troops, vehicles, and weapons, particularly if I use them often. So I know a Sister of Battle's basic statline and I know which units have buffs to a particular area (Like Seraphim have a buff to WS over a basic Sister, and Nobz have a buff to Strength).

Remembering character statlines can be a pain, so I have to look them up pretty often. It's because they're so out of whack compared to the basic troopers in multiple areas, and their stats don't come up as often as the standard stuff does because the characters (oh, not including basic unit leaders like Sergeants and Nobz, which are only buffed a little in a couple different areas, usually just a small boost to Attacks) are nowhere near as numerous on the table.

What I'm trying to say is that it's not so much that I don't care enough to learn my rules, so much as it is that my memory simply will not remember the rules well enough to be referred to for certain cases.

Another thing that grinds my gears is people who try to disprove/prove a rule or faq based on theory, not fact.
If youre going to challenge a rule with a hairy explanation, you better have a page number to back it up.
Too often ive had long arguments over how something works because it wasnt written in a way you cant interpret it in any other way and not because it was THAT badly written, but because my opponent kept throwing other "but this"s in the argument with no proof of it. Simply saying "Its faq'd" without a faq in your hand or able to look it up on your phone doesnt fly. Unless its hurting you, or its a minor incident, i wont believe it till you show me it.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Another thing that grinds my gears is people who try to disprove/prove a rule or faq based on theory, not fact.
If youre going to challenge a rule with a hairy explanation, you better have a page number to back it up.
Too often ive had long arguments over how something works because it wasnt written in a way you cant interpret it in any other way and not because it was THAT badly written, but because my opponent kept throwing other "but this"s in the argument with no proof of it. Simply saying "Its faq'd" without a faq in your hand or able to look it up on your phone doesnt fly. Unless its hurting you, or its a minor incident, i wont believe it till you show me it.

related to this i have a story that had my 40k mates in stiches thanks to the new challenge rules. And most of my gripes are with how in one game the ruleswork fine then in another they make things seem rather absurd and a little WTF!!!

the story- in a league game a few weeks back there was a Chaos Vs Necron game, it comes to chaos turn 2 and the Chaos player elects to charge 6 or so wraiths (with destroyer lord attached) with the follwing- 20 cultists, 6 chaos spawn, Nurgle Lord and roughly 20 Plague marines. At this point it is worth noting that said chaos list was using Mr Epidermus... However, the lord has to issue a challenge, so the necron lord accepts, and the rest of the wraiths are spalttered, thanks to the epi buffs the Nurgle lord survives the necron lord (even with those mind shackle scarabs...) then the question goes "err what happens now" we all take a look in the rules and it results in the killer line "unitl you kill the lord all those units are stuck there in combat, with any chaos challenger getting at least 4 re-rolls"

So for the next 3 turns the necron lord stays there, he kills the lord, but a plague marine champion issues another challenge and keeps on passing his fnp saves (3+ due to epi), and the necorn player wins on turn 5 due to having line breaker etc.... and rolling a 1...


suffice to say we were laughing our heads off...

Art_of_war wrote:
So for the next 3 turns the necron lord stays there, he kills the lord, but a plague marine champion issues another challenge and keeps on passing his fnp saves (3+ due to epi), and the necorn player wins on turn 5 due to having line breaker etc.... and rolling a 1...


suffice to say we were laughing our heads off...

That is an awesome story and one to think about when you try to overwhelm a potent character with a flood of forces with an army that MUST issue challanges. In the old days they could have just swarmed the Necron Lord, but that forced challange rule means unless the chaos side has a potent character in the mix to start they can be shooting themselves in the foot doing what this guy did.

Skriker

Wait, so ALL the units have to stay in combat? Damn.
See, that's why the Glorious Intervention comes in handy. You can just say "Alright, my Cultist Champion is switching out to fight the Necron Lord," and hopefully it doesn't end up like this.

1. In continuing with people trying to prove/disprove rules: People who try to apply real life and real life experiences to the rules of a tabletop game and the characteristics of models/weapons. It's made up FFS... give it a rest.

2. Rules lawyers who have memorized every possible rule and can/do cite (when applicable) everything down to the specific rulebook/codex, page, paragraph and line... of the previous edition of the game. Dump the old info, read the new stuff, get with the times.

3. GW gimmicks to sell models (and damnit if they don't work, those bastards!). We're making flyers an option in regular games!!! Here's a megadeathflyingwhatsitsname for $627 dollars!!! - sold out in 5 minutes. *le sigh*

4. Poor hygiene by some gamers (only specifically mentioned because of the thread subject... this applies to all of humanity). Adding cologne/perfume to "stench" does not work and is not a suitable replacement for a shower/bath and deodorant.

5. Already touched on numerous times, but sportsmanship. I'll be honest in tht I probably only win about 1/2 to 2/3 of the games I play and that's largely based upon the fact that I take a lot of chances and sometimes the dice gods are with me and sometimes they aren't. But I don't get my enjoyment out of winning; I derive mine from simply playing and being in the hobby. I love the fluff (even if a ton of it is pirated from somewhere) and I love the models and I love how many people paint and I love the interaction with genuinely good people. Asshats who powergame and get pissy at a loss can go kick rocks barefoot in a minefield in Afghanistan during a sandstorm. If you're only in it to win, I perosnally think you shouldn't be playing.

6. Self-righteous bastards like me who judge people who are powergamers...

eXetus wrote:
4. Poor hygiene by some gamers (only specifically mentioned because of the thread subject... this applies to all of humanity). Adding cologne/perfume to "stench" does not work and is not a suitable replacement for a shower/bath and deodorant.

5. Already touched on numerous times, but sportsmanship. I'll be honest in tht I probably only win about 1/2 to 2/3 of the games I play and that's largely based upon the fact that I take a lot of chances and sometimes the dice gods are with me and sometimes they aren't. But I don't get my enjoyment out of winning; I derive mine from simply playing and being in the hobby. I love the fluff (even if a ton of it is pirated from somewhere) and I love the models and I love how many people paint and I love the interaction with genuinely good people. Asshats who powergame and get pissy at a loss can go kick rocks barefoot in a minefield in Afghanistan during a sandstorm. If you're only in it to win, I perosnally think you shouldn't be playing.

For #4 also add that an excessive amount of cologne/perfume is unnecessary when you bathe regularly. As an asthmatic I don't need my lungs closing up on my because you felt the need to bathe in aqua velva..

On #5 I also don't understand those who have linked their self esteem so tightly to the performance of their little toy soldiers than even the slightest setback and trigger waves of rage. What happened to "It is only a game?" If you MUST win then go do something non-competitive with your time. You will be much happier without the added pressure in what is supposed to be a relaxing and fun hobby.

Skriker

OH man i was just looking for this thread like 2 days ago, i finally have an answer.

Priming, i hate priming my models, because if i do to much, i lose the detail and my model looks like a blob, do to little and paint does not stick. i HATE IT!