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 btr75 wrote:

bubbinski wrote:
My biggest complaint about 40K right now are the random factors they inserted into 6th edition. Although I love a lot of things...I really hate constantly looking at mysterious objective rules, useless warlord traits, and the ridiculous randomness of charge distances.

I hate mysterious terrain. It is really disruptive in WHFB.

I kind of like the random charge distances, it helps keep people from doing a "I want to charge, but do not want to be charged" shuffle.

With my local house rules, we tend to just ignore the random terrain and objectives, so every forest is a normal forest, every objective is just an objective worth X points (we still randomize how much each objective is worth like it says to), and if we had any water terrain, it'd just be normal water.

People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool.

GW shops, horrible places full of people you don't want to get too close too but are sometimes necessary to visit, like sexual health clinics.

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool.

Some of my Sororitas have pink armor. : D

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool....

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

Word.
Ponies with boobs creep me out though.

^what if they are in the biologically correct location?

Boggy Man wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
People who take this game too seriously. E.g. "Modelling pony heads on your models and painting them pink is stupid because in real life they wouldn't have pony heads or pink armour". It's not real. Don't tell me how to model or paint my models or crticise e for being creative. Ponies are cool....

People who get offended by boobs on models. Boobs are great.

Word.
Ponies with boobs creep me out though.

I would totally accept that on one condition: They were slaaneshi daemons. Because being creepy like that is classic Slaanesh!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Serious? ( not personal attacking )

your comparing a toddler show, loved off by 30+ yr old men! and if thats not creepy enough, they flaunt their love for MLP everywhere they can ex, miniatures, avatar, What pony are you quiz's.
Video game avatars and even anime are almost 100% more appropriate then the above.

Bronies IMO is wrong on so many levels whether you realize it or not, but the reason why it interferes with my 40K is: #1 i never even knew what a bronie was until i started playing 40k ( Nuff Said? )
#2 when im playing space marines with MLP detachments ( lame ) #3 playing a game with 25+ yr old man who cant stop talkin about MLP and has Ponies on the sidelines watching his battles :l
#4 i feel like im playing a game with a pedophile. #5 brings awful stereotypes where they are not needed #6 they can hold a convo better with my 13 yr old bro then other 25+ people their age ( Thats just not riight )

Just saying, no personal attacks on anyone here, but the bronies asked, so i answered ( my opinion at least )

Poor personal hygeine. Jesus.

IMHO

Anyone who goes on and on about "Spehs marheens" and "methal boxhes".

Yes the animation was funny, but when you repeat it every five minutes it becomes a pain. It isn't funny, it really, really isn't. Please stop.

 FredTheEvilKitteh wrote:
Without a doubt painting, my least favourite part of the Hobby.

I don't like the people who don't like you, lol.

Not everyone has the time or skill to paint. There's nothing lesser about those people. Everyone enjoys the hobby a different way. Some people just want to roll dice and make war. As a kid, we didn't have the dice, we just had single color army men. Seems like it didn't hurt my imagination any. Take pride in your painted models. Don't worry about somebody else's unpainted ones.

Unpainted armies... well, admittedly painted is nicer - except when it's so poorly painted that it makes you cringe, which happens a lot. Personally I now have like 14-15k points worth of models that I've bought in the last 6 months. I spent 10 hours painting my first Ork Nob. 20+ hours painting my first Rhino (don't ask, I don't know where the time went). 6 hours painting the DV Chaplain (and it's not 100% done). And so forth. So don't expect me to field a fully painted army any time soon, never mind all 3-4 of them! I won't spoil the models with a hasty paintjob just to have 'em painted, they need to be painted to the best of my ability (which is... not considerable).

Some of my "argh" things:
- Don't touch my models. And definitely don't toss them. Even if you think tossing your own models into a graveyard pool when they're removed from game is cool, don't effin' toss my models. Thanks. I can remove them myself just fine.
- Stop spouting about what cheesy units or what cheesy codex you'd use in my place. I don't really care.
- Gross game imbalance issues. Which, let's face it, are plentiful in 40k.
- Overt randomness at times. It can be cool, but it can also be extremely infuriating.
- People saying they're gonna use a "fun casual" list against you, and when you make a casual list yourself with that in mind you end up facing three flyers that you can't basically touch but which can kill any units you have with ease, and in general pretty much a list that you use in tournaments too. Nice one, arsehat.
- Me, myself & I!

 Diezel wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
How is it different from people who have Video game characters as avatars? Or Anime. I like Mass Effect, would you get upset if I had a Krogan as an Avatar?(I know you are not personally attacking me or anyone, im just showing your lapse is Logic, everyone has avatars of what they love.)

Serious? ( not personal attacking )

your comparing a toddler show, loved off by 30+ yr old men! and if thats not creepy enough, they flaunt their love for MLP everywhere they can ex, miniatures, avatar, What pony are you quiz's.
Video game avatars and even anime are almost 100% more appropriate then the above.

Bronies IMO is wrong on so many levels whether you realize it or not, but the reason why it interferes with my 40K is: #1 i never even knew what a bronie was until i started playing 40k ( Nuff Said? )
#2 when im playing space marines with MLP detachments ( lame ) #3 playing a game with 25+ yr old man who cant stop talkin about MLP and has Ponies on the sidelines watching his battles :l
#4 i feel like im playing a game with a pedophile. #5 brings awful stereotypes where they are not needed #6 they can hold a convo better with my 13 yr old bro then other 25+ people their age ( Thats just not riight )

Just saying, no personal attacks on anyone here, but the bronies asked, so i answered ( my opinion at least )

I really do have to laugh at this, coming from the person with a transformers avatar -.-' (a cartoon show that totally wasn’t for small kids....honest )

Things that make me lose my cool? Rage quitters >.> it really yanks me when I'm playing a game and half way through the person quits because they think they’re going to loose

edit: I also have to question which is more immature, people watching MLP......or people raging over the fact that people watch MLP and instantly assume that they molest children

So, I will take full responsibility for the thread getting dragged down with brony talk. May the mods smite me down now.

Let's cover something else guys, we all get some like bronies and some don't. Let's get back to spazzing out when somebody touches our painstakingly painted commander with their greasy cheeto fingers

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
So, I will take full responsibility for the thread getting dragged down with brony talk. May the mods smite me down now.

Let's cover something else guys, we all get some like bronies and some don't. Let's get back to spazzing out when somebody touches our painstakingly painted commander with their greasy cheeto fingers

yeah we need some kind of rule prohibiting talk of bronies in any other thread than the MLP thread ;_;

and don't get me started on people touching my modles with or without greasy fingers >.>

For me its movement, especially in tournaments. I try not to be "measuring nazi" and complain about a model that may have moved an extra 1/4 inch.

But when you see rhinos, preds, etc. Start at 12" (standard deployment) and after their move are 2 to 5 inches over the halfway point of the board (play on a lot of the 6- 24" by 24" GW tables).

Its hard not to complain at them that they are moving too far when clearly there is no way you can be past the equator of the board.

The other is someone not being careful around my models. Have had to replace several broadsides and devilfish/hammerheads that have been decimated from being knocked completely off the table due to an opponents impatientness....

Smelly people, a bit of odour happens but we've all come across that guy who makes a GUO seem like a bed of roses.

Ragers. It's a game, if it affects your blood pressure that much seek help

Picking up models/books that are someone elses without at least asking first. When people ask me the answer is almost always 'sure mate, go ahead'. But not asking? Annoying

None of it makes me completely lose my cool though, more general annoyance.

Edit: While I don't have a problem with 'bronies' I don't really get the obsession with a kids program.

 -Loki- wrote:
When a crucial, usually load bearing, component of model won't glue.

For example, the Tyrannofex I recently built. Plastic cement worked fine for the whole model, and the cement I use acts rather quickly. When it got to the front legs, which hold the whole model up, the joints simply refused to bond. At all. I ended up cleaning the joints out and supergluing them instead just to get them to stick.

I then went and used the same glue 5 minutes later on the Rupture Cannon, which, of course, bonded almost instantly.

Luckily I have a large amount of patience, but things like that drive me batty. My Forgeworld Flyrant was the same - even after pinning and green stuffing the wing joints, they simply wouldn't stay attached. Took me a whole night just to attach the wings.

This is my first one. I love model making but glue can be a real ergh!!!

Second would be Finecast shenanagins and then seeing in the DV starter that the Liquid Green Stuff is there for the occasion issue with Finecast. So GW made a cheaper product, charged us more for it and has told us we need to fix their problem ourselves on the overcharged model they want us to buy. (Again a modeling issue.)

Third is poor sports and WAAC players. The poor sports just grip and moan over their whole lot at the table. I've told more than a few to just Shut up. And then the WAAC players. Some of them don't even know the full rules and others are just meta gamers who only get enjoyment from tabling some one. "Oh you've never played before? Looking for a game? Sure I'll play you." And then that new person never comes back to play again. "I don't know why people don't want to play with me...wah wah wah..." You know who I'm talking about.

Having to be a responsible adult and do things like dishes and pay bills, when there are models that need to be assembled and painted before the game this weekend!

ive only lost my cool twice. The second day with my 6th edition brand new 40k rulebook, a guy in the shop i was playing at was looking thru it (doenst bother me) he then opened it up and foled the front cover and like 45 pages behind the back cover and read it like a magazine. needless to say i was very pissy.
Second time was at a tournement where salamander TH/SS termies rolled all his attacks and armor pens then after he only penned maybe 3 times (he scooped the dice up before i could see the results) said "oh i forgot they were mastercrafted" then picked up all the dice and re-rolled and blew up all 3 of my killa kans

Children telling me that my army isn't very good because they're "not space marines."
In fact, children in general piss me off.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
I normally do not swear. I can splash hot grease on my hand, have a horrible day at work, whatever, I can keep myself from swearing. As soon as you hand me an un-assembled model and some glue I turn into the most foul mouthed sailor in the world. I have threatened pieces with horrible horrible acts that would make Hitler cringe.

Anyone else get the same way or have another aspect of this hobby that makes you want to flay babies?

These are my pet peeves when playing, but most usually make me laugh out loud or just annoy me slightly. If they become an actual problem then I just walk way from the table and find another opponent, especially for #1. Closest I get to angry is #3. I HATE it when people walk up to the table and grab minis from the middle of an active game. Hate it even more when little kids come up and want to touch everything and have sticky or greasing fingers from recent snacking. I will smack an adult who comes over and touches my minis with sticky or greasy fingers as they are old enough to know better...

1) Complete lack of WYSIWYG in an army and then wanting to be really specific about it. I am fine if you have a bunch of heavies with missile launchers and instead want them to represent lascannons, but don't tell me that those four missile launcher marines are armed with: 1 lascannon, 1 meltagun, 1 plasma cannon and 1 missile launcher. No thanks. Or that this unit of all bolter marines is really devastators with previously listed weapon kit out, but some still with bolters. I tell these people to find another opponent. *Unless* before the game they come to me and say I have a unit of devastators, but want to try out different weapons with that *one* unit only will I say OK. Drop it on me suddenly and do it with multiple units and I will smack you.
2) Complete lack of understanding of what your army does or doesn't do. Bad enough when you ask me what all of the weapons in your force do (they have those convenient charts in the back of the codecies for a reason!), but don't expect me to know how your army's special rules work, or forget that a unit has a great special rule that would have saved them in an event that happened 2 turns ago and expect me to let you put it back on the table because you just remembered it. If you can't bother to remember your own unit abilities that isn't my problem, unless you are a complete noob and the purpose of our game is for me to help you learn and remember the special rules for your units.
3) Don't touch my stuff (edited from self...hehehe) or pick up any of my things without my permission. Especially do not pick up minis off a table in the middle of a game to check them out because we both know you won't put them back in the right place AND I have to stop paying attention to my turn to make sure you, a total stranger, don't mess up my mini and make sure it gets back in the right spot.
4) Don't complain that the army you play all the time sucks or is terrible at the things it is known to be terrible for. I don't really want to hear every time your IG fail to hit a target or get slaughtered in melee that IG just suck at shooting or melee. We all know that. You, playing them, should know that best of all.
5) Someone pulling out their homemade rules for a unit that looks exactly like an existing unit in the army and expecting me to suddenly say it is OK for them to interject their completely unexplained homemade unit without batting an eye. I like forge world models and have them in all of my armies. First thing I do before pulling any of my force for a game is ask "Do you mind forge world units?" If so I can save us both some time and let us both find new opponents. Don't whip out your homemade rules out of the blue. The time for that is before the game happens you ask, "I have made my own unit I would like to try do you mind testing them in this game with me?" Then hand me the rules and let me decide at that point if I want to help you do so or not. Don't drop them in the middle of the game and then get all whiny because I won't agree to it and your "whole" battle planned relied on using their fancy special ability because I won't care. This also links back to #1, if your unit doesn't look like what it really is, then it is up to you to make it clear not for me to remember things.


Now there are exceptions to all of these things. #1 is OK in a game where a friend says they want to proxy some stuff to check out a new army config before spending the money on it. #2 is OK occasionally or when you've played the same army for years and then switch to something else I will be very accomodating, but if you've been playing the same army for years and still can't remember your rules you are definitely smack worthy. #3 generally isn't acceptable for me at all. I ALWAYS ask before I touch someone else's minis. ALWAYS. And if I want to examine a model during a game I look at it where it sits on the table and touch nothing, and then only do it if the players or working on something on the other side of the table. It is rude to block a game just because you are curious. #5 you really need to tell people if you intend to use homemade rules or it will pretty much always start an argument of some kind.

Skriker

One in particular that's been bugging me lately is that we have several people who come into the FLGS to hang out, buy models, etc. They brag about how AWESOME their army is (or is going to be, when it's finished), but they always have some excuse as to why they can't come play. One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted, and he's doing a ton of kitbashing on it so it's taken him a long time. Another guy just got his army out of storage, but can't play until he strips all the models and repaints them. There are a couple more people who do similar things, and any time any of them start bragging about their army, I want to give them a good shake and tell them to put up or shut up.

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

 Griddlelol wrote:

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

The issue is not the bare models but that they won't play at all instead these guys just drop buckets of cash at the FLGS and then boast about how awesome the army they are building is. They are going for Golden Deamon level of Paint work because these "Amazing/Awesome armies" are never actually fielded.

I much perfer painted armies to unpainted. However if someone brags about an army no one has ever seen then yeah that can get old after a while. I haven't run my Imperial Fists in a while because of wanting to have the army fully painted so I've been running my 'Nid army but I always bring in a couple of my IF's to show that the army is coming along or some other paint project like my Death Watch unit. Then I can get painting feedback or wargear input and the like. Plus with model in hand and a different model every time it elivates that desire for them to want to play against it and it nurfs their want to say things like "bring the army we want to see," or "if your army is so awesome why don't you play it..."

 dalsiandon wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:

wfischer wrote:
One guy refuses to play his army until it's completely painted.

What's wrong with that? I do exactly the same. Seeing bare plastic or primed black models on the table is not why I play this game.

The issue is not the bare models but that they won't play at all instead these guys just drop buckets of cash at the FLGS and then boast about how awesome the army they are building is. They are going for Golden Deamon level of Paint work because these "Amazing/Awesome armies" are never actually fielded.

I much perfer painted armies to unpainted. However if someone brags about an army no one has ever seen then yeah that can get old after a while. I haven't run my Imperial Fists in a while because of wanting to have the army fully painted so I've been running my 'Nid army but I always bring in a couple of my IF's to show that the army is coming along or some other paint project like my Death Watch unit. Then I can get painting feedback or wargear input and the like. Plus with model in hand and a different model every time it elivates that desire for them to want to play against it and it nurfs their want to say things like "bring the army we want to see," or "if your army is so awesome why don't you play it..."

^this.

Additionally, these guys come in every week, bragging about how awesome their army is going to be in combat. Not how awesome they'll LOOK, which I would understand. And if you don't want to play until your models are finished, that's fine - but don't come around every week bragging about how badass your army is. Like I said originally, put up or shut up.

People who whine about the price of GW but treat the existence of 3rd party proxies as it were a personal offense. They remind me of domestic abuse victims who always go back to their puddin.

People who don't realize the 40k fluff was originally parody and get super butthurt if everyone doesn't have their emo-hat on when they play. (This would include most of the current GW staff.)

20 page posts on the impossibility of female space marines

Space marines

Space marine players that smell like whiteout and pretend to only speak Farsi when you tell them to roll their armor saves

Unpainted Minis that are also unassembled. Also if you don't take them out of the box it's hard to measure their movement.

Parasprites

The fact that I nearly spent $50 on some BB ork cheerleaders. More to the point that I realized there was something very wrong with me that I was so concerned with ork boobies.

Pointless joke posts

When people complain that games are sexist.

When people complain that games unrealistic.

Ooh, thought of another one.

The Bloodtide story - or rather, the overly-exaggerated version going around the Internets last year.

It's the only instance I can think of where I was so enveloped in rage that I butchered a nicely-painted metal model just to make it suffer.

It took me a couple of weeks till I calmed down about it to the point where I felt remorse about destroying it.

I've butchered painted models before for similarly stupid reasons - one of which was an OOP Canoness with the icon and combi-weapon, which I butchered in a failed experiment to try to make an Infested Kerrigan miniature shortly after Starcraft 2 came out.

But... Never out of losing my cool about something.

Theres 2 things that make me lose my cool

1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

2) Building metal models. This is the ONLY reason i like resin, its far easier to assemble and tweak...metal is better for every other reason though. I spent 4 hours trying to put together my metal ghazzy i got in an ebay deal because it would hold, dry, then just fall off cuz its so heavy 30 minutes later.

EDIT: Oh, third one sorry.

3) People who claim they play friendly and just want to have fun outside a tourny, then bring the cheesiest list ever every game. Im down for letting little things slip in friendly games, but dont expect me to lay terrain out "fair and equal" if youre going to bring the ultimate cheese army you possibly can every damn game. If i can, i will terrain/deploy in ways that will heavily benefit me and screw you over - youre suppose to do that - i just dont waste my time on mathhammering or detailed-measuring every single attack to make sure every wound is legit.

Vineheart01 wrote:


1) Literally losing because of 1 dice roll.
Ive had games where i was doing very well and then i lost my biker boss + his troops because i failed the leadership and initiative test so they got sweeping advanced. No idea how many timesive lost because that happened even if it seemed like i was crushing my opponent.

But thats the joy of 40k...