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Post by: Foster
I'm looking for a new website project and was thinking of making an army database. The plan would be that you can enter your army in to the database and edit it over time. The standard ones would be in there too.
What do you think? Would you use it? What should it include?
Foster
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Post by: kronk
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Like, enter your painted models and then use that list of models to draw up army lists?
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Post by: Foster
No, the idea is that you put the name of the regiment, commander, platoon structure, history, people of note etc. You can then add to this with each battle you fight.
I also have a regiment generator for people that are just starting a guard army. And if I can work out how best to do it I'll look at the possibility of it being used to draw up army lists.
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Post by: kevlar'o
ok so like a online history of dakkas imperial guard?
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Post by: Ribon Fox
Sounds cool. The 142nd might just upload their history as well as year book photos
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Post by: TheCaptain
So like a Lexicanum, but just for IG fluff?
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Post by: ragingmunkyz
That actually sounds like a very cool idea. I've always thought that guard lent themselves to unique characters, regiments and background stories more than any other army. Not to say that you can't have personalized SM chapters or Craftworlds, just that IG have the fewest fluff restrictions imposed on them. I'd love to read about other people's creations, and getting to add to something like that might give me a kick in the pants to develop the guard army ideas I've been toying with.
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Post by: Foster
Not just a history of Dakka's Guard armies, hopefully every Guard army everywhere. My hope is to one day expand it to every race in the 40K universe.
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Post by: nonowho
so is it like giveing you commanders names and personalities or like official fluff?
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
I like the idea, like a collection of datta for Imperial Guard regiments by the Estate Imperium.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
nonowho wrote:so is it like giveing you commanders names and personalities or like official fluff?
Sounds like both.
So for example, GW official armies would have lots of entries in it. Armageddon Steel Legion, Catachans, Cadians, Mordians, etc. would have lengthy histories. They would also probably have a "lesser known regiments" entry, where people could put their personal armies that belong to those planets. So for example if I had a cadian army called "the 601st Facestompers", they would be a "lesser known regiment" where I can put down my own unique history for my regiment.
However, it would be far more useful for people like Ailaros, who have lengthy histories of their armies with their own planet and organizational structures. Heck, Ailaros could probably just copy paste his whole blog entry in and have one of the most complete pages on day one. It would make a good example for how to make a page, although you'd probably want to put a brief synopsis of your history, with more in depth history on major events and battles linked to your army's main entry.
So, in an extremely abstract example way, this is how I would see a regiment page being.
Regiment: The 601st Cadian Face Stompers
Home planet: Cadia
Organizational Layout: Assault Infantry
Strength: 4,000 men at time of writing
Currently whereabouts: en route to the Daizos system after a successful conquest of Klendathu in the Vagabond system
Regimental Colors: (Paint scheme)
Brief history: The 601st facestompers are a fairly new regiment founded in (generic date that 40k uses here), well known for being among the first of the Imperial Guard task force to attack an ork held Forgeworld and successfully reclaim it intact. They are the tip of the spear in major assaults, their experience in urban combat and ability to rapidly redeploy making them invaluable in offensive operations. etc. etc.
Known battles and campaigns the 601st have participated in:
* The Klendathu campaign
etc.
Significant events in the 601st's history:
* Were the only regiment to survive the Klendathu campaign at fighting strength.
* After extreme losses during the siege of Klendathu, the 601st absorbed the 5611st Catachan Headhunters (250 survivors) and the 71st Cadian Couch Potatoes (6 survivors) to replenish lost numbers sustained during the campaign.
* Among the first of the Imperial Guard to adopt the "Facemelter" Lasgun design.
Notable Heroes of the 601st:
* Arnold Delathos, Hero of Kebab pass: *Generic history here*
* Commissar Jimmy Bob Thorton, Slayer of Warboss 'ead Stompa
etc.
Extended history:
*links to various battle reports and videos
Known pictoral logs of the 601st:
* Pictures of models you own
Obviously a lot of those names I've mentioned are made up, and are used purely because I don't feel like pulling up lexicanum or something, but hopefully that gets you the idea of a rough layout of what a Regiment's page would look like.
I think it could be really neat, especially once people see a few good pages and get an idea of how to use it. Once it starts to build a name for itself, you could add sister pages for famous Ork WAAAAGH's, Space Marine chapters, Tyranid splinter fleets, etc.
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Post by: washout77
At first I was like "What?" but the more I think about it the more I like the idea of it. If you can browse other peoples armies and things (which im guessing you can) it would be cool to like "adopt" a planet and raise a regiment from that planet as well. There is a guy at my FLGS who allows us to "enlist" with his planets regiments if we want to, as long as we follow some basic fluff rules and take a basic color scheme. It's fun to have a tournament when you have 3 regiments from the same planet fighting in the same tournament (representing like a planet sending more forces to the battle. It gets cool, trust me haha).
EDIT: So yes, if you make it I will use it  I don't have pictures of my army, and quite frankly I don't think I will take any because im quite ashamed of my painting hahaha, but I have a semi-detailed fluff write up
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Post by: Foster
@MrMoustaffa, It's like you jumped in my brain, gathered all the information and explained it in a way I didn't think of. You also got that I plan to expand to other Races.
There will be a 1st release page up soon. Automatically Appended Next Post: http://imperialguardarmydatabase.hostzi.com/Impguard.html
Quick tester version, it will allow you to add a regiment and then view them. I've added the Cadian 8th to test it. There are some layout issues that I need to sort still.
What do you people think?
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
To be perfectly honest, I don't think it would get far past IG sadly. IG is perfect for this sort of thing, since literally ANYTHING you can come up with is fair game for the Imperial Guard. Other armies like Orks might work, but they'll have a less varied history to draw from, and unless you've got a very creative person, won't amount to much more than "warboss went here, stomped this planet, rinse repeat".
If there were more sisters of battle players though, I bet they could make some cool use of it. Too bad finding a sisters of battle player in some areas is like seeing a unicorn riding a unicycle under a full moon.
I know that once I had some fluff and an army worth posting I'd make a page.
The biggest issue I'm expecting to happen though is "OHMERRGERD MAH ARMEH IS THE BEST" syndrome, a horrible event that happens to all fanfiction esque websites.
For example, let's say I want to make my 601st facestompers "the best regiment evar''. I decide to go onto the main Cadia page and proclaim my greatness, since this is a wiki, and I can edit most pages easily. Long story short, if you're not careful to regulate certain "official" pages (Cadia, Armageddon, Catachan, etc.) the wiki could turn into a circlejerk of fan wankery. Maybe make the main pages admin only edits, where a person's edits must be approved by an admin, and only if they're minimal (aka adding my 601st facestompers to the known regiments list)
Also, what is your idea for dealing with multiples of the same regimental number. For example, I highly doubt there is only one person running the 12th Catachans right now.
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Post by: Foster
It's not actually going to be run like a Wiki page, people will only be able to edit the regiments that they registered.
As for the same regimental number, at the moment it is first come first served but that is something that I can look in to. Automatically Appended Next Post: People can now register the same regiment as long as it does not have the same commander.
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Post by: Matney X
Are you thinking something similar to cmdctr.net?
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Post by: Foster
No it's not like that site, it's more of a database of peoples armies that a army list software.
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Post by: Foster
The site now has a fully functional login and regiment edit system. What would people like to see next?
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Post by: ansacs
Very nice, now we just need to shanghai Ailros and enlist him into this.
Funny that as soon as I saw this I just immediately though man this needs Ailros and his folerans.
I'll see what I can get together. No pictures though I only have a handful of models painted (got a little happy with the new paint stripping method I found online, yeah not smart).
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Post by: Soo'Vah'Cha
I will be happy to contribute, got some minis coming from dreamforge, and been wanting to work on something new, so I will be in touch .
Great idea!
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Post by: Ross74H
Hum, might be adding the 5th to this.
Means I have to create some fluff for them beyond the very basic stuff and actually get more of them painted up though!
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote: I will be happy to contribute, got some minis coming from dreamforge, and been wanting to work on something new, so I will be in touch .
Id be interested in how those Dreamforge guys work out - was looking at getting some Eisenkern myself as they seem less gawky than the Guard guys.
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Post by: Foster
Looks like I need to add the option to upload photos then, lol.
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Post by: Ross74H
Well mine are up now, amazing how much fluff you can think up on your lunch break at work!
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Post by: Puscifer
I'd be very interested in this.
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Post by: DemetriDominov
I'd use it.
It's not like Lexicannum, it's more like IG Facebook.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Any chance of sprucing up the layout a bit OP? The black with grey writing is a bit plain and hard to read for me at times.
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Post by: Foster
Yeah it is on the cards, do we have a colour preference? I'm currently working on the ability to upload an avatar.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Foster wrote:Yeah it is on the cards, do we have a colour preference? I'm currently working on the ability to upload an avatar.
Military styled colors like olive drab and tan would make sense.
Or you could go for more "Imperial" colors and go with red and the like.
Also a search bar probably wouldn't be a bad idea (unless I didn't see it and am blind)
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Post by: Foster
No there is no search bar at the moment.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Ah ok. It's not really needed now, but it will be soon.
Also, we need a banner or something we can stick in our signatures. That way we can advertise it and get more people using it.
That and shanghai Ailaros
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Post by: Foster
Avatars can now be uploaded, they can't be changed though at the moment. Once it's up it has to stay there, I'm working on it though. Currently working on a layout issue I'm having. Automatically Appended Next Post: Fixed the layout issue, finally!
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
This is showing a lot of promise, I'm busy working up what my army is going to be, but this site has a lot of promise.
We've already got 10 or so regiments on it.
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Post by: Furyou Miko
Cool.
I'll start work uploading the Solstice Lunar regiments straight away. ^^
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Post by: Foster
Thanks guys, I will be sorting colours etc out later and I'm looking for someone to design me a banner if any one would like to help.
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Post by: Furyou Miko
Looking at my article, it seems to have stripped out the line spacings.
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Post by: Foster
Yeah I noticed that too. I'll look in to it.
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Post by: sierra 1247
This looks awesome, but i can't edit my regiments background.
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Post by: Foster
Strange, I'd not had any problems, though I have now.
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Post by: Stoned Monkey
This is a great idea, need to think up some fluff for my deserty soldiers and get some photos
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Post by: Foster
The problem is due to a script issue in the page, will sort it shortly.
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Post by: Boggy Man
Is it okay if my army subverts the fluff ? (Rouge guard filled with xenos and led by a reincarnation of Patton that protect peaceful settlements and kill Inquisitors and Grey Knights on sight for the luls.)
Or do you just want the serious stuff that fits?
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Post by: Foster
Your army your fluff, its not about being accurate its about creating a record of all the guard armies out there.
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Post by: Foster
This is now fixed.
On to the update issue.
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Post by: Foster
The update and avatar issue are now fixed too.
What next?
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Post by: The Crusader
I cannot log in or view my regiment. it just comes up with this:
Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in /home/a7397689/public_html/myreg.html on line 64
Sorry to be a pain. But it is a very, very cool idea!
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Post by: Foster
No you're right, I am working on a way to let you edit multiple regiments from one screen but I'm not having much luck at the min. I'll revert to the original for now if you want.
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Post by: Captain Roderick
Hi foster, could you put a link to this in your .sig? better chance of mugginses like me being able to access it
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Post by: Foster
It's now in my sig for you Roderick.
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Post by: Furyou Miko
Some suggestions for additional data boxes courtesy of leinmann over on the B&C;
Homeworld/Operational Headquarters: is the regiment raised on an Imperial/Renegade/Neutral world? If not is it operating as part of a Crusading army and so made up of various regiments now united under one banner? (so basically just expand the box for homeworld...)
Origins & Recruitment: Why was the regiment raised? Was it part of a planetary tithe, or was it raised in direct response to an emerging threat (Ork WAAAGHs, Tyranid invasion, Black Crusade)? In addition, how does it replace casualties? Does it recruit from its central homeworld (Catachan, Cadian, Mordian etc) or does it absorb depleted regiments under its banner (Tanith 1st and Only, regiments taking part in protracted campaigns that operate far away from their homeworld)? In the recruitment phase, are there any rituals/stipulations that must be undertaken to prove one's self for service?
Beliefs: How does your regiment venerate the Immortal Emperor/Dark Gods (if Imperial or Traitor Guard)? Is it a literal or metaphorical interpretation? Do they even know why they carry out these actions? Chances are that preachers will spread the word of the Emperor, but the actual people of the planet may see him as the sun in the sky, whereas on Chaos aligned world young recruits may interpret the Chaos Gods as associated animals or totems.
Technological Background: What level of technology is your regiment used to? Are they technologically adept and have great ties to the Ad-Mech, or are they from a backwater world that revers the humble woodman's axe? How do they deal with travel through the Warp and space travel? Are your tanks powered by loud combustion engines that make your allies think the Orks are coming, or do they utilize stable flux-ion cores that burn for hours at minimal noise level?
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Post by: Foster
Thanks for the suggestions Furyou, I imagine most people would put this information in to the Background section, though it might be worth considering.
Nice to hear that it is being discussed on other forums that I didn't post on.
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Post by: Furyou Miko
My fault, I crosslinked it. ^^;
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Post by: Foster
It's a good thing, thanks. Working on the site at the moment to make it safer for people to have multiple regiments and also to allow for easier expansion to other races.
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Post by: Furyou Miko
Something else you might want to consider is a single sign-on type function where one account can have multiple regiments, because currently my sign on is "Colonel Branwen ferch Aeron" or something (because that's my commander's name), and the only way I can remember my login details is autocomplete.
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Post by: Foster
That is exactly what I am working on.
Do you have a link to the B&C post so I can drop in?
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Post by: Furyou Miko
The discussion thread; http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272410-index-regimentus-outline/#entry3324491
It actually happened kind of strangely. I posted the link to your project, but this thread came up about half an hour later.
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Post by: Foster
Can't help but think the guy that is doing one on B&C is just hijacking my idea. Some one said that your post is a close second but I started this on the 21st of Feb the other guy started almost 2 weeks later. Hmmm.
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Post by: Captain Roderick
Foster wrote:Can't help but think the guy that is doing one on B&C is just hijacking my idea. Some one said that your post is a close second but I started this on the 21st of Feb the other guy started almost 2 weeks later. Hmmm.
Well, just gotta make sure he doesn't do an Apple on you and do it better
Thanks for the .sig thing, I need to fix my background and contribute stat!
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Post by: Foster
I had some issues with the database layout and some regiments were missing this is fixed now, but may mean people need to update. However the update function is currently down, lol.
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Post by: Foster
Private messaging will be coming very soon.
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Post by: Foster
Can anyone that has registered an army and wasn't asked to enter an email address and user name please contact me with their email, desired user name and the name of their regiment so that these details can be updated.
Foster
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Post by: Foster
Private messaging is very close now.
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Post by: Foster
New menu bar and private messaging is now active.
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Post by: Foster
Messaging system is almost fully working and there will be a gallery coming very soon.
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Post by: Foster
The site now has a fully functioning gallery for users to upload their photo's.
Messaging system is still being fixed.
I'm looking for someone to design me a banner for the site.
The site will be offering advertising space shortly.
And in the mean time I'm going to make the site look prettier and easy to use, any suggestions on this are appreciated.
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Post by: SwampRats45MK
All I got to say is kudos Foster for making this
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Post by: Griddlelol
Foster wrote:Can anyone that has registered an army and wasn't asked to enter an email address and user name please contact me with their email, desired user name and the name of their regiment so that these details can be updated. Foster Lol, I was literally about to ask "why do I have to register my email?" I like your idea, but I really don't want my email and name on yet another website. I also don't want to have to remember another password. I'm sure what you're doing is standard and would require a lot of moderating without, I just don't like signing up for a million different things.
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Post by: Foster
What I am doing with emails and passwords is to allow users to register and edit multiple armies without having to create a login for each one.
However if you don't want to register that is your choice. Automatically Appended Next Post: If you want to register your army without creating an account you can, it just means you wont be able to edit your army.
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Post by: Foster
Now with quotes for the Uplifting Primer in the page title
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Army List Builder coming soon!
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Post by: Lobokai
Right now your page does not load for me. I was going to put up my 54th Pardus
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Post by: Foster
Working fine for me. Can you try again? Also what web browser are you using?
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Post by: Lobokai
Ahh... looks like my pc thinks its a virus... I just take care of that later
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Post by: Foster
It's the hosting site I'm using, sometime antivirus programs think it's an infected site. I'll change to a more legitimate host if I can ever afford it.
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What do people think? Would you like to see the Guard database run a world wide campaign?
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Post by: Locclo
Cool idea! Can't wait to see you implement it for other races (since I don't play Guard  ).
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Other races are in the future, it may be some way off though as I would need to move to a paid for web host and it's not something I can afford to pay for at present.
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Post by: Foster
This project has stalled a little at the moment. I am having some issues with the current web host and their limitations due to it being a free host.
What I would like to know is would the gaming community consider this a worth while investment? Do you want to see this project grow and evolve? I'm not asking for your money, although it would help, but I'm not about to put more of my time and money in to this if no one is using it.
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Post by: Foster
While the above statement is still true I am going to embark on a forum if not global campaign. It will be 'The defense of Theza', I'm looking for someone to help write the fluff for it since I'm rubbish at writing.
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Post by: Foster
http://imperialguardarmydatabase.hostzi.com/name.html
Name generator with male and female names as well as ages to help with all your fluffy needs. Anything anyone would like to see added?
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Post by: Engine of War
It just gives me the "This page can't be displayed" screen.
Ill try later on my proper computer instead of my Laptop.
the 91st Experimental has a lot of fluff in it from fluff for nearly each individual tank and more.
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Post by: Drakka77
I can't seem to get to it to add my chapter and regiment known as the Bloodmoon hunters.
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Post by: Foster
The page has been closed by the host, they believe I am in breach of their terms of service. I'll resolve this problem by changing the host.
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Post by: SYKOJAK
That would make sense why I cant seem to find it. I would love to begin adding my Regiment.
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Post by: Foster
SYKOJAK wrote:That would make sense why I cant seem to find it. I would love to begin adding my Regiment.
Thanks to a member of another forum I have been able to moved to a paid host. I am currently rebuilding the site but people will need to go back and enter their regiment again.
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Post by: Foster
Ok, everything was lost thanks to the host deleting everything. Work has begun on rebuilding and now Marine and Guard armies can now be registered and viewed. What would people like to see done next? Then i can get started on the more in depth stuff.
it can now be found here - http://www.imperialarchive.com
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Post by: Drakka77
Hey for the space can you add modular teams as a specialty? Cause my chapter and regiment uses the total force concept with each company is a specialty sending detachment for force
Engagements.
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Post by: Foster
Yeah, I need to add Codex Chapter too. I'm having issues with registering at the moment though.
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Post by: Drakka77
Mine isn't codex compliant but isn't a major divergent either.
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Post by: Foster
It doesn't matter, it's your chapter and this is more about giving people a place to show off there fluff alongside other peoples and so people can use the site as a reference point.
EDIT: it is now possible to register Marine and Guard without any problem.
New Menu - www.imperialarchive.com/guard/guard.html
Old Menu - www.imperialarchive.com/marine/marine.html
Which do you prefer?
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Post by: Drakka77
Can't log in and out
Also your missing grav weapons as perfered weapons
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Post by: Foster
I was aware some things were missing. It isn't the complete site yet as it was all lost and I'm rebuilding from scraps I had saved.
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Post by: Foster
Following the loss of the site I have started to rebuild. The site currently has login/out, gallery and pm functions.
What else would people like to see?
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