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Post by: daviddasilva
Hello every one
Wanted to drop a note here and let you know about this little project i got going. Its based on the idea of modular terrain that is easy to put together and take apart.
here is the link and some pictures.
Thanks for your time
WE HAVE PASSED THE 8K MARK!!! so Thanks every one that has helped in the past month, could not have it done with out you.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/772848122/underground-lasers-28mm-modular-terrain
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Post by: decker_cky
Cool product, but ridiculous shipping makes it a non-starter for me.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Yeah, you have to pledge 200$ to get a better deal on shipping, but the upside is you ought to have a pretty complete board after that.
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Post by: Theophony
Base floor panel is 11x17"? What would that be used for? Wouldn't 1' square sections be a better plan? They look good though, so I'll be watching.
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Post by: daviddasilva
I hear the concerns about the shipping but my hands are tied on this one
I sent a test package to Australia 2 weeks ago and It cost 56 dollars for about 20 items. I was hoping to give every one free shipping but the new rates made it a net loss for me.
BUT *spoilers* if we hit the 42K mark I am cutting the shipping for international donors in half, that is one of the stretch goals. At that point I should have enough US backers to offset the cost
so pass the word
Also there will be a later option where you can chose how i cut the 11 X 17 sheet so you could get the size you want
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Post by: overtyrant
Free shipping in the US but $50.00 for international is a no no from me I'm afraid.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I'm assuming 11'' X 17'' is the maximum size of the lazOr bed?
and really, it's not that bad, I use 9'' by 12'' plates for my table, so tabloid sized would be helpful against those that insist on finding ways to premeasure everything.
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Post by: kestral
This seems, really, really good for people in the US. Almost too good to be true if I'm understanding the options right. Essentially I can get 36" of laser detailed wall for $10 with free shipping? Double that of undetailed wall? Even counting the pillars you would want for that amount of wall, its still crazy good.
The modularity is fabulous, and the whole thing looks good. Perhaps later you can add the "gothic" elements some of us crave, like walls with an arched profile.
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Post by: bbb
At first I liked the look of everything till I realized the buildings were shipping containters. But regardless of that I hope you do well.
Also, the $10 option doesn't seem priced correctly. It should probably be around $13 based on the other levels.
$10 for 1 = $10 per option
$50 for 4 = $12.50 per option
$100 for 9 = $11.11 per option
$200 for 19 = $10.53 per option
$400 for 39 = $10.26 per option
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Post by: daviddasilva
 bbb wrote:At first I liked the look of everything till I realized the buildings were shipping containters. But regardless of that I hope you do well.
Also, the $10 option doesn't seem priced correctly. It should probably be around $13 based on the other levels.
$10 for 1 = $10 per option
$50 for 4 = $12.50 per option
$100 for 9 = $11.11 per option
$200 for 19 = $10.53 per option
$400 for 39 = $10.26 per option
The 10 dollar level is a half option slot, so you could get a shipping container with no details on it or a set of wall with no details. I wanted to give something for low level pledges and that's the lowest I could go and still afford my laser time/shipping... there is going to be a pretty nifty set of 1X1X1 and 1X1X2 inch containers for scatter terrain that can also be used for the half option.
Also there will be a set of buildings coming up in the next 2 weeks that are stand alone with more rounded edges, they will look like the V2 shipping container.
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The modularity is fabulous, and the whole thing looks good. Perhaps later you can add the "gothic" elements some of us crave, like walls with an arched profile.
That is correct, on the 36" of wall for about 10 bucks or 72" with no details (doors/windows/the x frame/ and the notches in the supports will be cut into the blanks). I am making a very tight profit here, main goal is to rise the funds needed to pay the laser, secure a second laser, pay for supplies and my salary for the next 3-5 months so I can launch the company. Profits will come later.... I hope =)
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Post by: kestral
Well, good luck, I made a pledge and I've pretty much stayed out of Kickstarter land until now. : ) I'd really like to see a pillar option that is a little more like a buttress and arches. Also, wall sections with fewer slots (so you don't need as many pillars) would be cool as well.
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Post by: Commander Cain
overtyrant wrote:Free shipping in the US but $50.00 for international is a no no from me I'm afraid.
I am pretty sure that kickstarter forces its creators to provide free shipping to the US, correct?
Nice product anyway, shall have a proper look after work!
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Post by: Cyporiean
 Commander Cain wrote:
I am pretty sure that kickstarter forces its creators to provide free shipping to the US, correct?
No, but Kickstarter Culture does.
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:Well, good luck, I made a pledge and I've pretty much stayed out of Kickstarter land until now. : ) I'd really like to see a pillar option that is a little more like a buttress and arches. Also, wall sections with fewer slots (so you don't need as many pillars) would be cool as well.
there are a few options coming down the pike, a 5 inch wall with 3 pilar slots or 2 slots for a long wall. also a 6" 7" 8" inch versions
the buttress and arch ideas are actually on the pipe line for the end of this year, that's when i'm hoping to release fantasy/steam punk/modern version for the grid system. trust me we could have waited and launched a kickstarter with everything but peoples head (and mine) would have exploded with the 30+ skins we have planed just for the 3" wall. not to mention 20+ floors etc etc. ohh and all of them can be used with each other.
Not to mention the battle damaged walls that can be slid into the set as walls get blown out =). that's coming around the 15th
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Commander Cain wrote:
I am pretty sure that kickstarter forces its creators to provide free shipping to the US, correct?
No, all KS does is give project creators to set two rates
one for the USA (convention says this is free, but it doesn't have to be)
and one for all of the rest of the world (which means companies have to plan for a huge number of expensive Australian backers, just in case)
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Post by: kestral
there are a few options coming down the pike, a 5 inch wall with 3 pilar slots or 2 slots for a long wall. also a 6" 7" 8" inch versions
Not to mention the battle damaged walls that can be slid into the set as walls get blown out =). that's coming around the 15th
Sweet! I hope there are some good mix and match options. Also, it occurs to me that the one thing I'd really want is a full length doorway, with or without door. The hatch is nice, but not what I would want to end every corridor with. Also, I have a total noob lasercut question - is the detail just burned on or is it cut in? I ask only for painting purposes - in other words if one is going to paint it should one only get blanks?
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:
there are a few options coming down the pike, a 5 inch wall with 3 pilar slots or 2 slots for a long wall. also a 6" 7" 8" inch versions
Not to mention the battle damaged walls that can be slid into the set as walls get blown out =). that's coming around the 15th
Sweet! I hope there are some good mix and match options. Also, it occurs to me that the one thing I'd really want is a full length doorway, with or without door. The hatch is nice, but not what I would want to end every corridor with. Also, I have a total noob lasercut question - is the detail just burned on or is it cut in? I ask only for painting purposes - in other words if one is going to paint it should one only get blanks?
there are some door frames options that plug into the columns so you can do any where between 1" till 5" slide up doors, problem we have not figure out is how to do slide doors on buildings so they don't just fall off with out the frame. its hard to explain but once I get the pictures up next week I can go into details.
They paint really well, as long as you thin your paints and/or use an airbrush, here is a picture of an early prototype painted by a friend of mine.
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Post by: decker_cky
daviddasilva wrote:I hear the concerns about the shipping but my hands are tied on this one
I sent a test package to Australia 2 weeks ago and It cost 56 dollars for about 20 items. I was hoping to give every one free shipping but the new rates made it a net loss for me.
So is shipping $6 for US backers? I know shipping is a lot, but particularly for Canada, I know that shipping is rarely going to be as much more than it costs for US backers as is charged. If shipping is 'free' for US backers, then whatever the base price is should cover US shipping. Whatever international shipping is should estimate the difference. Doesn't feel like that's done often.
But I'll keep my eyes on this for when the shipping prices drop. As I mentioned, I do like the product. 
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Post by: daviddasilva
decker_cky wrote:daviddasilva wrote:I hear the concerns about the shipping but my hands are tied on this one
I sent a test package to Australia 2 weeks ago and It cost 56 dollars for about 20 items. I was hoping to give every one free shipping but the new rates made it a net loss for me.
So is shipping $6 for US backers? I know shipping is a lot, but particularly for Canada, I know that shipping is rarely going to be as much more than it costs for US backers as is charged. If shipping is 'free' for US backers, then whatever the base price is should cover US shipping. Whatever international shipping is should estimate the difference. Doesn't feel like that's done often.
But I'll keep my eyes on this for when the shipping prices drop. As I mentioned, I do like the product.
You know what, thats not fair, I'll add it to the FAQ right now wile I'm sleep deprived
FREE SHIPPING TO CANADA ,
Sadly would have done that before but we get 2 choices for shipping settings, US or World wide, I wish there was a bit more control so I can designate areas
you gave us Mike Myers, that's the least I can do
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Post by: overtyrant
Wait so free shipping to Canada now?
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Post by: daviddasilva
yep, better lock it in before my wife finds up. if enough people donate I can tell her "look honey to many people already did it, can't take it back now" =)
seriously I already made the change on the FAQ, I can't make changes to the levels after it launches and there was no way to split international shipping by country.
I'll have to figure how to do it by the end of the kickstarter, looks like I will issue a refund of the shipping cost after payment. unless I can find a more efficient way to do it.
I'll fire some emails this week at the Kickstarter staff and I should be able to give you guys up north a sure answer of how this will happen.
but yes Free shipping to Canada as of Yesterday to every one Delta and above (95+ level), the extra 2-4 dollars won't kill me
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Post by: decker_cky
Pledged. Thanks, you're awesome! I'll have to get my old necromunda models painted up for this.
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Post by: daviddasilva
Just going to leave these here for the people thinking I neglected the fantasy side of Wargaming
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Might want to be careful about offering free shipping to Canada, now that the postal costs from USPS have gone up through the roof for international shipping.
Check out the costs for sending stuff, as you might be hit with some pretty huge bills otherwise.
Not wanting to stop Canadians from pledging, but it's something you need to be aware of. Fully check this out otherwise you're liable to be losing money on this rather than making any.
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Post by: kestral
That is pretty sweet! The pillar set would look good in sci fi or fantasy I think.
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Would those pillars fit the sci fi walls? 'Cause I'd rather have them.
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Post by: overtyrant
Well that is disappointing. I wish you well and hope you get a European distributor otherwise I won't see these on my table with free shipping in the US and Canada but $50.00 if I want something.
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:That is pretty sweet! The pillar set would look good in sci fi or fantasy I think.
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Would those pillars fit the sci fi walls? 'Cause I'd rather have them.
yes, I am making everything with the same frame stats, so you can mix and match, only the items in the stand alone section don't line up with the locator pins
I should have fantasy walls burned by tomorrow afternoon
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Post by: daviddasilva
Adding Fantasy Labyrinth to the mix
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Post by: kestral
I like that it has a nice nod to depictions of the original Labyrinth in ancient Crete that often feature similar patterns. Good work!
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Post by: bbb
The Labyrinth is very nice.
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:I like that it has a nice nod to depictions of the original Labyrinth in ancient Crete that often feature similar patterns. Good work!
Thanks. I haven't seen any one try and do dungeon tiles for a Greek labyrinth before so I figure I give it a shot. worst case I can replace the fringes with another row of stones in about 1 minute for an extra style
I have some extra long walls with scenes of Greek murals coming soon, like dolphins, ships and people jumping over bulls... etc etc
no Gyros
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New floor pattern added - more sci fi and very "Infinity".
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:New floor pattern added - more sci fi and very "Infinity".
We had an issue with file size and print issues so we had to scale down a bit, the hex pattern will be available only on small tiles like the 5X5s
here are a few examples
ohh and our anti bully campaign is also up on th updates
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Post by: kestral
There is now a stand alone building:
Nice, but to my mind the real value is in the modular pieces, though infinity boards seem to make good use of this kind of terrain.
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:There is now a stand alone building:
Nice, but to my mind the real value is in the modular pieces, though infinity boards seem to make good use of this kind of terrain.
I agree, that's the whole point of the kickstarter. But since 80% of the modular pieces are done and displayed I can now put together kits to show people what can be done with the pieces.
The Kits give you the same pieces as the "you pick" options but they come with a few extra pieces specific to that kit (Those floors are limited to the building kits).
Just like Lego blocks. you can buy a box of 100 Lego blocks to make an airplane OR you can buy the plane Lego kit ... either way you get to the same point at the end, and you can always mix and match the kits.
By the way the kit has been adjusted, I managed to fit an extra 2 boxes to the kit so now you get 6 cubes instead of 4
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Post by: kestral
I like the cubes. A "Scatter terrain" option would be cool. And I very much agree about the lego concept. I haven't worked with laser cut stuff, but hopefully it will be rugged enough to last my gaming lifetime with care. : )
There is now a communications tower:
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:I like the cubes. A "Scatter terrain" option would be cool. And I very much agree about the lego concept. I haven't worked with laser cut stuff, but hopefully it will be rugged enough to last my gaming lifetime with care. : )
the stuff is pretty tough, since all my wall pieces interlock I was able to do some some crazy test a few days ago, I build a 5 X 5 room with a floor and roof and a center column. I was able to stand on it with one foot.
as for scatter terrain there will be and option with at least 6 of those crates and few others. need to finish the 1 X 1 X 2 ammo crates and a few other things
keep the comments coming, I'm running out of ideas =)
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Post by: kestral
Well, these walkways are outstanding. They are the kind of terrain that can have a big effect on your game.
I find myself hunting for something to use for roads for a game tonight, though I'm not sure laser cut stuff is the right medium for that.
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Post by: daviddasilva
Hitting our mid week point and have some new toys to show
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Post by: bbb
I really like all the new items you've been showing a lot more than the original ones. I hope you do well!
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Post by: kestral
Gothic Arches next please? Or show about space corridors with a pattern like pipes and control panels? Doesn't need to be cut differently, just a different pattern on the wall. More industrial and grimy, so to speak.
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Rivits would be good. : )
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Post by: kestral
My favorite wall so far:
Honey Comb goodness!
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Post by: kestral
There are now sliding doors, which is excellent for adventure gaming.
One of the things I'm most excited about is the idea of a table's worth of terrain fitting in a shoe box. I'm running a 40K roleplaying game right now, and this is going to be great for representing different environments.
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Post by: Alpharius
OK, what exactly do I have to pledge to get that?
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Post by: daviddasilva
better grab one of the last 95 dollar pledges before they run out that gives you 9 option slots
2 long crates for 1 option slot
4 cubes for 1 option slot
the walkways I'm still working on, want to make sure the clip in just right, I should be able to do 3 5X2 walkways for 1 slot
The kit I'm putting together will give you free walkways. still working out the math of the thing the kit in the picture is about 5 or 6 option slots
should be up by tomorrow
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Post by: kestral
I do think having a few "examples" of what you can build for a given pledge level might really help bring in the support. I think people are not understanding just how much stuff you can get out of this kickstarter, particularly if you go blanks, as I mostly intend to, and don't worry about bases much.
Loving the infinity trailer park there!
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Post by: daviddasilva
yeah working on the kits right now, just having issues with burning time since I can only burn for 1 or 2 hours a day after my day job. I'm hopping to have more kits up before the end of this week.
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ohh I guess I should add that Tuesday is my last day at work so I can start burning full time after that and I'll be working on my webstore after the kickstarter ends
no it will not take years to ship all the stuff, If I go past my October mark the people that did not get their stuffs will get bonuses =)
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Post by: Alpharius
daviddasilva wrote:better grab one of the last 95 dollar pledges before they run out that gives you 9 option slots
2 long crates for 1 option slot
4 cubes for 1 option slot
the walkways I'm still working on, want to make sure the clip in just right, I should be able to do 3 5X2 walkways for 1 slot
The kit I'm putting together will give you free walkways. still working out the math of the thing the kit in the picture is about 5 or 6 option slots
should be up by tomorrow
Grabbed one of the last two - thanks!
I just hope I remember what to get in order to build that set!
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Post by: daviddasilva
don't worry once I put the kit up you can just say: "give me Kit 110" =)
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Post by: Alpharius
I like that - thanks!
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Post by: kestral
Not sure what everyone's obsession with shipping containers is about, but right now you can get:
For the 10 dollar pledge you get 1 shipping container with details
for the 50 dollar pledge you would get 8 shipping container (4 slots)
for the 95/100 dollar pledge you get 18 shipping containers (9 slots)
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:Not sure what everyone's obsession with shipping containers is about, but right now you can get:
For the 10 dollar pledge you get 1 shipping container with details
for the 50 dollar pledge you would get 8 shipping container (4 slots)
for the 95/100 dollar pledge you get 18 shipping containers (9 slots)
Actually the natives were getting restless so I decided to unleash the 55K goal early since I need to fix the 10 dollar pledge situation
so instead of trying to fix grammar errors I'm just going to bribe people with extra stuff
so here its what it looks like now after the pledge upgrade:
10 dollars: 2 shipping containers (1 option)
50 dollars 10 shipping containers (5 options)
95/100 22 shipping containers (11 options)
Sorry about undercutting Kestral's news but I'm sure he'll be happy with extra stuff now =)
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Post by: poda_t
*moany whining and complaining* was kinda hoping to see something spacehulk friendly come out. The scifi kit is great, but, the grids aren't as nicely aligned as I'd want them to be.... Shipping's a bit high too, but this is getting very hard to say no to.... *hrngh*
any chance of "glass" being added?
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Post by: Vaktathi
Man I wish I had the cash right now to sink into some of this, I'll see if my roomie is interested, I'd like some more new terrain around here 
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Post by: plastictrees
Very cool and thoughtful designs.
I think it's suffering a bit from the laser cut MDF glut at the moment. I'm not sure if I can keep my pledge after a last minute MYTH bid.
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Post by: daviddasilva
 poda_t wrote:*moany whining and complaining* was kinda hoping to see something spacehulk friendly come out. The scifi kit is great, but, the grids aren't as nicely aligned as I'd want them to be.... Shipping's a bit high too, but this is getting very hard to say no to.... *hrngh*
any chance of "glass" being added?
Acrylic was going to be an option but the price wasn't working out, pretty much ran out of time to add more cool stuff before the Kickstarter runs out of time,
I'm going to spend the last 8 days re editing and doing kits for simplicity sake
Space hulk is 40mm right? =)
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Post by: Alpharius
40mm bases for the Terminators, 25mm for the Stealers, I think!
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for 3 stealers maybe. All of the stealers, all have fancy bases, some of them fit best on biker bases.
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Post by: decker_cky
poda_t wrote:*moany whining and complaining* was kinda hoping to see something spacehulk friendly come out. The scifi kit is great, but, the grids aren't as nicely aligned as I'd want them to be.... Shipping's a bit high too, but this is getting very hard to say no to.... *hrngh*
any chance of "glass" being added?
Shipping is free for Canada. Just say you're from the USA on the Kickstarter when you pledge and it won't charge you..
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decker_cky wrote:poda_t wrote:*moany whining and complaining* was kinda hoping to see something spacehulk friendly come out. The scifi kit is great, but, the grids aren't as nicely aligned as I'd want them to be.... Shipping's a bit high too, but this is getting very hard to say no to.... *hrngh*
any chance of "glass" being added?
Shipping is free for Canada. Just say you're from the USA on the Kickstarter when you pledge and it won't charge you..
LIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!
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Post by: decker_cky
It's in the FAQ at the bottom of the kickstarter.
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Post by: kestral
Wowza, huge bonanza of free stuff. I basically just got an extra $20 of stuff for free with the last update. Right now $100 gets you more than THIRTY FEET of laser cut wall if that is all you want. And that with lots of pillars, detailing (although not all detailed), doors, and stuff.
Almost all the levels will now get increases to the option amounts
Alpha level:
They get upgraded to 1 full option, so you can get 2 detailed shipping containers or 1 set of walls or 1 set of blank walls + 1 set of blank floors etc
Beta Level:
They now get 5 options
Delta level:
They now get 11 options
Epsilon level:
They now get 23 options
Omega level
They now get 47 options (that'r right +8 options)
Almost too good to be true. Hopefully the guy won't go bankrupt.
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Post by: decker_cky
kestral wrote:Almost too good to be true. Hopefully the guy won't go bankrupt.
From the update, it seems like this was budgeted as a later stretch, but he made it available to push pledges now. Agreed that it's seeming like a very good deal after the upgrades. Some updates showing bundles would go a long way for the project (sounds like the creator's already on this though).
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Post by: daviddasilva
Yep the prices you are seeing right now are the prices I would sell to whole sellers and retail stores, looks like I lost my mind but I'm still making a small profit. the current pledge levels was a 55K goal reward so it was planned ahead of time.
I am Running the kickstarter to get start up capital so I can afford to do this full time, Hard profit comes later I hope
I cannot stress this enough, if you want these at this price get them now since the price will almost double once I go to retail on Amazon/Ebay and finally my online retail store.
And yes shipping to Canada is free, there was no way to split countries for shipping for the levels. either US or worldwide. Canada shipping is not to bad so I'll be fine.
again tell your friends, Daddy needs to buy a 2002 red ford escort
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Wow, what courier are you using where shipping to Canada is not much more than the US? Anything I ship via USPS is pretty much double 
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 AT wrote:Wow, what courier are you using where shipping to Canada is not much more than the US? Anything I ship via USPS is pretty much double
depends on the weight. yes its more than the US shipping but is not 10X shipping cost overseas, like I said, I'll take the hit on free canadian shipping if I can get more people involved
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Post by: kestral
Hitting the sweet spot on shipping is really tricky. There is quite a bit of variation that doesn't seem to logical.
I'd say that we are in the golden age of mail order as far as miniatures goes. In 10-20 years its all going to be 3-D printed for you at Staples. Enjoy it now.
I think kickstarter will be around for a while though. Sadly there is a glut on the market at the moment. Figures that the kickstarters I am in (like this one) always seem to the ones getting overlooked. Come on $8000! Unless there is something horrid about laser cut that I'm not aware of this is pretty much the best value in terrain on the internet at the moment.
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If $160 more is raised before the weekend (funding the project), the planned free columns if the project were funded gets upgraded to an extra option. This is turning out to be a lot of terrain for the money.
That will be as follows:
Beta Level:
They now get 6 options
Delta level:
They now get 12 options
Epsilon level:
They now get 24 options
Omega level
They now get 48 options
edit: And $8000 reached, so those levels are the current pledge levels.
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Post by: kestral
Yay! Crossed the $8,000 line, so the project is now funded.
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Thanks to every one that has helped so far but we are not done, we have more stuff to give away, 16K here we go =)
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Had a $1000 day, not sure if that is still a goal or not though.
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Hopefully the trend will continue!
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Post by: daviddasilva
kestral wrote:Had a $1000 day, not sure if that is still a goal or not though.
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Hopefully the trend will continue!
I'll check tomorrow to make sure it did not drop, if its still 1000+ I'll drop the stretch goal from 16K to 15K
Update 20 is now up, No production runs tomorrow for clean up day, but should be a really big update on Monday.
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Post by: daviddasilva
well since today is my first official day working full time on this, miracles might happen. I have a lot of burning to do today/tomorrow and I'll see what I can do
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Post by: kestral
Wowza, that's what I call listening to the people. Even just a simple wall with arches would be plenty cool. You seem to be able to produce all kinds of stuff quickly!
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kestral wrote:Wowza, that's what I call listening to the people. Even just a simple wall with arches would be plenty cool. You seem to be able to produce all kinds of stuff quickly!
Yeah now that this is officially my day job I might be able to pull it off
ohh yeah, I have pictures....
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Post by: Alpharius
OK, I'm in for the DELTA level, which I think currently gives me 12 'options'?
So, if I'm doing this right, I can get:
1) Cost = 1 option
2) Cost = 1 option
3) Cost = 9 options
One of #1, two of #2 and one of #3 - and I'm OK?
Also, how easy will it be to say "I want that" at the end of all this?
I hope I don't have to figure out all the parts used to make number three individually? 
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Post by: Lansirill
Geez, I thought this was the LED kickstarter. Oops. I'm seriously tempted to redirect my Tablescapes money to this. That option 103 (the sci-fi maze) looks like it could be awesome for Zone Mortalis stuff.
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Oops - I forgot to add a question - will clear, easy to follow instructions also be included?
Thanks!
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I assume the buildings will come with directions, though I think the really point is being able to put it together on your own all sorts of ways.
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 Alpharius wrote:One of #1, two of #2 and one of #3 - and I'm OK?
Also, how easy will it be to say "I want that" at the end of all this?
I hope I don't have to figure out all the parts used to make number three individually?
That's how I understand it. Just to be clear, that set would include the actual radar dish twice - once from the bundle, and once from the dish itself.
Here's what I was thinking for delta:
1.) Shipping container city: Not finalized, but something like this for 5 or 6 choices (would love to see this finalized now that there's the new shipping container available).
2.) Communications tower: 3 choices.
3.) 3 Extra Walkways: 1 choice
That leaves me with 2-3 spare choices at the moment depending on how the shipping container city turns out. If there's 3 choices left, then I probably get the storage tower:
I also might just break up the shipping container city with individual choices:
2x2 shipping containers: 2 choices
2x large shipping container: 2 choices
2x3 walkways: 2 choices
1x comm tower: 3 choices
1x storage tower: 3 choices
Not really sure right now, but that's a fair bit of choice in the delta level.
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Post by: daviddasilva
Alpharius wrote:OK, I'm in for the DELTA level, which I think currently gives me 12 'options'?
So, if I'm doing this right, I can get:
1) Cost = 1 option
2) Cost = 1 option
3) Cost = 9 options
One of #1, two of #2 and one of #3 - and I'm OK?
Also, how easy will it be to say "I want that" at the end of all this?
I hope I don't have to figure out all the parts used to make number three individually?
that picture you mentioned on 3) for 9 points its not kit yet but once its done it's actually going to be around 8 Points (the walkways come free, don't quote me on that still have to work out the big kits)
right now printing the walls for the fantasy kit and I'll have a shipping container kit for about 9 points as well.
instructions will come with the kits but they are really simple to put together, been meaning to put together a video for that but keeps getting side tracked
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"That's how I understand it. Just to be clear, that set would include the actual radar dish twice - once from the bundle, and once from the dish itself".
By the way the old dish is staying on that building kit , I cannot fit the new one on the old spruce.
Just hold till you see the shipping container kit, the walkways came out niceeeeee =-)
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm going to make some hard choices, once this one ends!
SO many nice things...
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Post by: Wuyley
I am looking to add a bridge type piece to my existing wargaming table at home. I would prefer one that is wide enough to move a chimera over but if not, just the models would be ok. Any idea if that is possible and what level I should pledge to get it? Thanks
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Post by: daviddasilva
 Wuyley wrote:I am looking to add a bridge type piece to my existing wargaming table at home. I would prefer one that is wide enough to move a chimera over but if not, just the models would be ok. Any idea if that is possible and what level I should pledge to get it? Thanks
give me some dimensions for the road way Length and how wide you want it, should be able to crank one up that fits in with my stuff for 1 slot. I'm not making any promises still have do do some gothic arches and finish up some other stuff.
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Post by: Wuyley
For the vehicle bridge something like 7" wide and roughly 30" long. Having a 45 degree angle ramps on each side would be fine. If this is too big then something similar to the walk ways would be ok with having either ramps or buildings on each side and a ramp between them for troops to go across. As for detail it could be pretty minimalistic with an iron bar type look and an open top (no need to get all big with it)
I suppose my dimensions might seem quite big but we play 40K and are looking for a bridge that will be able to have tanks go across. The 7" width allows land raiders to get across but if it had to be smaller that would be ok as well. As for the length, perhaps one part that is just the top straight portion of the bridge and 2 duplicated of the camps.
Also have you experimented using paints on the materials you use? I am curious if someone were to get the burned pieces and coat it with a light spray of grey or black, what it would look like.
Thank you for considering this and feel free to make it worth more then one slot too if needed as that is not an issue.
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Post by: Alpharius
First shipping container kit is up, BBQ party at my house!!!
Update #24 · Apr 29, 2013 · comment
Alright I can draft faster than what my laser can cut so we have a few delays pushed to tomorrow but we do have a nice amount of new items for you guys, they will be on the main page in the next hour or so
Shipping container with side door and windows (2 for 1 slot, no blanks available)
The new radar on top of the cube (1 slot, or 2 for blank options)
double wide container with windows and 4 ammo crates (1 slot, no blanks)
2BBQ stands + Billboard ( 1 slot, or double for blanks)
Fantasy got delayed again, ran out of laser time before I finished burning the last walls and doors, walkways also get pushed to tomorrow I was not happy with the stacking option so I'll fix the file tonight.
Tomorrow I'll make a master list so you every one can see what options costs and if blanks are available.
alright here are the unedited pictures before they go up later tonight
I have to admit - when this campaign launched I was only mildly interested.
Now?
I am psyched!
And I think that MASTER LIST that shows all the different models and their "option" cost is going to be a very good thing and something that will be greatly appreciated AND help drive up pledges - can't wait!
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Post by: kestral
I took a dim view of the BBQ stands when I first heard about them, but I do like them now that I see them. I think I'd want them detailed, though the billboard, though hilarious, doesn
t fit my theme. Can we just get blank billboards and detailed BBQ as a detailed kit?
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Post by: daviddasilva
that's pretty funny some people just want the billboards, others just want the BBQ stands =) The issue is that there is no room in the frame for a 3rd BBQ stand and we are running out of time for me to add something else to it before the kickstarter ends.
The good news is that you can just flip the billboard and have a blank face on it to put what ever you want on it.
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Post by: poda_t
I've managed to resist the urge so far, but it's getting really difficult. Any chance of lazered acrylics? Don't even have to be new designs: just doors and windows of preexisting designs, or force-fields. *cough cough*halo-esque hard-light bridge *cough hack wheeze cough* Automatically Appended Next Post: poda_t wrote:I've managed to resist the urge so far, but it's getting really difficult.
Any chance of lazered acrylics? Don't even have to be new designs: just doors and windows of preexisting designs, or force-fields. *cough cough*halo-esque hard-light bridge *cough hack wheeze cough*
yeah, I'm trying to pledge, but it's urging me to cough up $150 since i'm not in the US instead of $100.... halp?
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Post by: decker_cky
poda_t wrote:yeah, I'm trying to pledge, but it's urging me to cough up $150 since i'm not in the US instead of $100.... halp?
Click the link that says "I'm in the US". Doesn't do anything aside from getting around the extra shipping charges.
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Post by: poda_t
Actually, it occured to me looking at the scaffolding, that some ramps or stairs for the ends would be nice.
but hey, just a suggestion, i know you said you're not going to be doing anything more, but.... maybe... just maybe..
edit: HAHAHA I CAN'T WORDS IN MID-SENTENCE!
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Post by: decker_cky
Sorted out my final pledge total after seeing the larger container bundle:
+
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Pretty great deal shipped for under $100.
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Post by: Alpharius
What's the 'option cost' for this one? Automatically Appended Next Post: Found it - ONLY 7 slots - wow!
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Post by: daviddasilva
At this point, WYSIWYG on the kickstarter, tomorrow is clean up day and I will have enough time to add a few left over items like the fantasy doors, some medieval arches, billboards and some new scatter terrain, as for acrylics we'll have to wait till the retail store opens, could not nail down an acrylic supplier in time for the run
Laser bridge... awesome idea hopefully by Octoberish when the web store opens.
IF you are from Canada and want the discount, then donate 50 bucks + 50 bucks shipping, then when the survey hits make sure you send me a message that you want the Canadian upgrade and I'll give you the 12 options for Delta.
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You know.... you are making this quite hard to not throw money at you.
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Post by: daviddasilva
Alright I added a pledge level for Canadians only 100 dollars with no shipping included for 12 items to keep
it simple
IF YOU ARE NOT FROM CANADA DO NOT PLEDGE THERE.
Also added a final 24 hour 96 dollar pledge Delta, its the same as the 100 dollar pledge level just 4 dollars cheaper
I'm off to work, last update with new stuff is tonight
Thanks to everyone that helped out, you guys did great.
ohh and October is just a "worst case" scenario shipping date, as soon as the money clears amazon I'll start shipping(T think it takes 3 weeks) , working my way up from the largest pledges on down. I'm pretty sure I can burn an Omega level in 4 days and beta levels in 1 hour or so
I should finish shipping by July/August
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Post by: Lansirill
I'm hoping that Mantic provides information on how expensive their terrain is going to be before the survey for this goes out. Right now I'm not sure if I'll want to use this for Infinity terrain, or more of a zone mortalis type board.
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Post by: daviddasilva
 Lansirill wrote:I'm hoping that Mantic provides information on how expensive their terrain is going to be before the survey for this goes out. Right now I'm not sure if I'll want to use this for Infinity terrain, or more of a zone mortalis type board.
it is modular, you can use it for the two of them =)
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Post by: kestral
Sixteen hours to go - Fantasy doors are now available!
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Post by: adamsouza
Been following this since day 1, but I was hesitant because of price.
With the Red Light Special 12 choices, plus freebie billboard, for $96, and option 209 giving you a free walk way selection, I just couldn't resist.
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 adamsouza wrote:Been following this since day 1, but I was hesitant because of price.
With the Red Light Special 12 choices, plus freebie billboard, for $96, and option 209 giving you a free walk way selection, I just couldn't resist.
I myself am torn. I can't see how well 40mm bases work with this. The guy running the KS from the uk has  amaaaaaaaazing stuff, but I'm not ready to blow my entire. $750 tax refund on a space hulk set. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 40mm could walk down a tight hallway that's ~~1 inch across + some space, I'd be har d pressed not to splurge $200 here. I see that one daemon figure in that one pic, but I don't know the model so I'm not sure if the scale is quite right for space hulk
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Have you tried asking the guy running the kickstarter about it ?
Just looked at the descriptions, I don't see anything smaller than 3" (Walls,walkways,etc..) so that's 76mm minus the width (3mm) of the material, so 70mm at a tight spot ?
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Post by: daviddasilva
poda_t wrote: adamsouza wrote:Been following this since day 1, but I was hesitant because of price.
With the Red Light Special 12 choices, plus freebie billboard, for $96, and option 209 giving you a free walk way selection, I just couldn't resist.
I myself am torn. I can't see how well 40mm bases work with this. The guy running the KS from the uk has amaaaaaaaazing stuff, but I'm not ready to blow my entire. $750 tax refund on a space hulk set. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 40mm could walk down a tight hallway that's ~~1 inch across + some space, I'd be har d pressed not to splurge $200 here. I see that one daemon figure in that one pic, but I don't know the model so I'm not sure if the scale is quite right for space hulk
I was hoping to do a space hulk set for this kickstarter but we just ran out of time, as far as using the Underground laser stuff to play spacehulk I would wait till I come out with a set proper for it (that's right I'm telling some one not to buy my stuff) It can be done but will not look right. I have some great stuff on the works for it that will show up in my webstore once it opens late August
The web store will not open till every one in the Kickstarter gets shipped out, you guys get 100% of my laser time till done
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here is a picture of a 40 mm with a 3" X 3" tile
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Alright we finished the run and did pretty good.
Surveys will be going out Saturday/Sunday. Production of basic items will begin on Monday morning
Shipping should start on the 14thish depending on kickstarter processing the payments
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Post by: ski2060
I really wish I had been able to contribute more. I only got in at $10 :( Unfortunately now is not a good time financially. Unless you're willing to do any paypal pledge bumps over the next couple of weeks 
Oh well, I do look forward to the 2 cargo containers I was able to pledge for.
Good luck in your endeavors, and I will definitely be picking up some more stuff in the future.
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Post by: daviddasilva
well considering that I'll start shipping the lower levels first and working my way up the ladder starting next week you might not get a chance at paypal =)
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daviddasilva wrote:well considering that I'll start shipping the lower levels first and working my way up the ladder starting next week you might not get a chance at paypal =)
So you'll be shipping them as you produce them, instead of waiting until Ocotober ?
Works for me
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Post by: Lansirill
daviddasilva wrote:well considering that I'll start shipping the lower levels first and working my way up the ladder starting next week you might not get a chance at paypal =)
Oops. I thought you were starting high and going low. So much for my clever plan to add in an extra $10 to bump myself up the shipping schedule
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Post by: daviddasilva
Lansirill wrote:daviddasilva wrote:well considering that I'll start shipping the lower levels first and working my way up the ladder starting next week you might not get a chance at paypal =)
Oops. I thought you were starting high and going low. So much for my clever plan to add in an extra $10 to bump myself up the shipping schedule
well I figured I knock out 20 people in the first week or so to start clearing out my inbox. if I start high Omega levels will take about 6 - 7 days each unless they go blanks those actually go way faster.
Been busy the last 3 days doing some small dimension changes to the containers to make sure the dimensions are exactly 2 X 5 X 2 from edge to edge so they can be used on the grid of the dead zone kickstarter
The containers where actually 1/8th of an inch to short =)
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Post by: adamsouza
This is great news David. I look forward to good things from you in the near future.
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