Depends on how ambitious of a movie it is. Is it going to be a 3 hour affair or will it be a shorter 1.5 hour deal.
And with CGI you can reuse the digital props and sets so once you have those done a lot of the work is cut out for making additional movies. This also translates to actual physical sets, a movie a year basically mandates constant filming and thats not super hard to do once you have everything set up.
WHat this does mean is we might have some fairly predictable plots and recycled everything else but thats ok for a start.
I don't really think it's a big ask considering they could start making the films more than a year before they are due out. I can see it being a problem if it requires the same actors, but I believe they are doing character specific films. The first one being Yoda, if the rumours are true.
Well they're already SOL in regards to Carrie Fisher. Mark Hammel could still play Luke but they'd have to fast forward 30 years on the timeline. Harrison Ford fortunately kinda just got grey hair and looks a little bit older.
Rumor has it they're all coming back to pass the torch on to the next group of star-farers. But only a rumor. My best friend was telling me about it last week.
Thor would wreck that spindly little dude. I mean really, the force is great against regular goons - against honest super powers and the like it wouldn't be all that useful. It really just boils down to fairly minor (in super power terms) telekinesis and some foresight. It's nothing on being a god.
I second this opinion. Annual yearly releases never end well. Ever.
I liked the Lord of the Rings movies.
The chance to finally see people other than George Lucas getting a chance to craft stories in that universe has me tentatively excited.
Agreed completely. The camera angles wont be boring anymore, and theres no WAY they can write worse movies then Lucas. I mean, he only got away with it because it was his and it was StarWars, a Juggernaut in its own right. So yes, please bring it on, I want some StarWars that doesnt put me to sleep.
Frazzled wrote: Wouldn't they nuetralize each other? I mean Thor is the god of thunder too...
Watch the video
While Raiden is a good strategist and a capable fighter, both of them are immune to electricity, which is Raiden's primary weapon. Thor still has Mjolnir.
Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
timetowaste85 wrote: Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
Versus the Yuuzhan Vong War veteran Luke Skywalker??? Marvel doesn't have a bloody chance!
timetowaste85 wrote: Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
Or we could have Marvel vs Capcom vs Star Wars games
timetowaste85 wrote: Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
Versus the Yuuzhan Vong War veteran Luke Skywalker??? Marvel doesn't have a bloody chance!
timetowaste85 wrote: Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
Well, Lord of the Rings had yearly instalments for the trilogy and that turned out pretty well. Disney could MAYBE do it just as well, we'll just have to wait and see.
creeping-deth87 wrote: Well, Lord of the Rings had yearly installments for the trilogy and that turned out pretty well. Disney could MAYBE do it just as well, we'll just have to wait and see.
The Lord of the Rings movies were more or less filmed in huge chunks at once. By the time they finishing "Fellowship of the Ring", they'd already done quite a bit of the starting work for "The Two Towers" but took a break during the promotional run-up to "Fellowship"--and continued in the same fashion for "Return of the King".
The same thing is being done for The Hobbit trilogy.
Sure, but we're not talking about a loving adaptation of a book, fairly loyal to source material and braving hordes of ravening ubernerd fans- we're talking about new movies, in a franchise that has been only too willing to brush aside or completely ignore any and all established canon in order to make entertaining movies.
Furthermore, Disney is asking this of a studio that has got to be terrified of failure. The Mouse just force-choked LucasArts video game division! Everyone's head is on the block if they don't deliver. The folks making Star Wars are more motivated than Admiral Piett right after the battle of Hoth.
Furthermore, this is now the same aegis that actually brought the epic experiment of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to fruition. Disney has shown an awesome knack for capitalizing on existing universes. I believe that if anyone can take and make it work, they can.
But I can't say the same for the ravenous EU fans. I couldn't care less about them though, most of the EU stuff just reads like fanboi crap. We're better off without it.
timetowaste85 wrote: Does this mean we can finally have the Star Wars vs Marvel fight that nerds everywhere have fought over for years? Meaning the nerds on here. I know Marvel will win, but some of you actually think SW has a chance. Fools.
Versus the Yuuzhan Vong War veteran Luke Skywalker??? Marvel doesn't have a bloody chance!
Message to Whembly....
HUlk may be a badass, bu when da Spazz Emprah can have the planet Hulk is standing on blown up, he's seriously outclassed.
I'm semi-hopeful with Abrams at the helm. I enjoyed his Star Trek moviefilm.
Of course, I'd never seen so much as an episode of Star Trek before - or since - seeing it, so I have no idea how well it captured the actual universe.
Seaward wrote: I'm semi-hopeful with Abrams at the helm. I enjoyed his Star Trek moviefilm.
Of course, I'd never seen so much as an episode of Star Trek before - or since - seeing it, so I have no idea how well it captured the actual universe.
It didn't. It was an excellent sci fi romp if you didn't want to have time to catch a breath, but it had very little to do with Star Trek.
This of course means it will be perfect for the Star Wars universe (which was based on C movie action serials). Yes!
Squigsquasher wrote: Meh, without George Lucas's suckage, these films will probably be awsome.
FTFY
George is not a genious by any streach of the imagination.
How so?
He was the one who brought us the Star Wars series after all. No Lucas=no Star Wars. The only Star Wars film that even approaches being "bad" is Return of the Jedi. The rest are all solid.
I think you need to go on the internets and actually read into where we got StarWars from. George had the IDEA of StarWars, and it was VERY different originally. So no, George is an idiot, a terrible director and an even worse writer
So long as there is not the guy who played Anakin (his acting was as rigid as a piece of wood), George Lucas has nothing to do with it and for there to be a FAR better plot, then all will be good. But that's a big ask...
I would like to see a clean break from the existing films. Something better, grittier and where the script and set are guarded by people with orders to shoot George Lucas on sight.
SilverMK2 wrote: I would like to see a clean break from the existing films. Something better, grittier and where the script and set are guarded by people with orders to shoot George Lucas on sight.
Its Disney. I wouldn't bet it would be grittier.
But Disney has a good record with films. I'm actually excited about that.
Grey Templar wrote: Yeah, the original films weren't great because of George, they were great inspite of George.
While I don't hate the Prequels as much as most people, they were ok IMO, they certaintly weren't of the same quality.
This is honestly how I look at it. Minus episode2, holy hell that borefest is just too much, and I dont see a reason to turn it on and skip all the way to the end to watch the only good part of that movie. But overall, the prequels were OK....But they certainly arnt good. Adn really you can see it in the originals as well. The first movie was fracking excellent, and thats because Lucas didnt have much say so in the film at all, and look at how it turned out. The 2nd movie wasnt AS good, but still really good, this is showing Lucas getting a little more pull on what goes on, but not total control. The 3rd strolls around, and is still a good movie, but this is starting to show a LOT more Lucas power then the previous 2, you can easily tell by 15 things going on at the same time, and stupid cute things popping up for no reason at all, and then the complete insanity of stupid that also happens.
Honesty if you read the production behind star wars 4 you'll find it was plagued with problems and no one took George seriously (sometimes even ignoring him and doing their own thing). George was even annoyed that a lot of the movie was turning out very different than he had imagined.
Squigsquasher wrote: Meh, without George Lucas's suckage, these films will probably be awsome.
FTFY
George is not a genious by any streach of the imagination.
You do realize he gave us the original right? As well and Thx 1138, American Graffitti.
The originals were good because there were other people involved. George didn't get to do exactly what he wanted with New Hope. He got more and more freedom as the movies progressed. Total freedom gave us the prequels.
I know lots of you probably aren't fans of the whole extended universe, but there isn't a single Gungan to be seen in any of the books...and jedi can basically go super sayan.
Sure, and there's White force, force destroying crystals, force eating monkey lizards, and the fierce forceless alien menace (which ironically was strengthened by the introduction of the midichlorian explanation). Much like the old west, the EU is good, bad, and ugly. I couldn't stop reading the Thrawn trilogy- and almost couldn't finish 'The Crystal Star'. Discretion is the key word when selecting good plot lines for standalone movies.
For instance, if they let Michael Stackpole write a movie about Corran Horn, it will be a story about a man who is essentially Han Solo given force powers. I would bet that it would be an even better seller than the inevitable Boba Fett movie.
No, the bad thing about the phantom menace was flat boring characters acting in a completely unbelievable manner while shuffling along an incomprehensible, also boring plot punctuated with cold sterile light shows that lacked meaning and style.
Not to mention a total badass Sith, that pwns 2 Jedi something awful, only to have the biggest HerpyDerpy moment at the end to get himself sliced in half.
Something which I'd really like to see is the power balance of the original trilogy flipped over - I'd like to see the heroes leading a successful and powerful New Republic while fighting guerrilla insurgences from the Imperial Remnant. I've only read the Thrawn trilogy from the New Republic era EU, but that didn't quite do it for me, because the New Republic was depicted as too thin and weak while Thrawn's forces were too many and too strong. From what I understand, the same power balance goes for a lot of the New Republic EU.
Grey Templar wrote: Meh, only really bad thing was Amidala's ridiculous hairstyles. And Jar-Jar. But Jar-Jar was almost in the "So bad its good" category.
No Jar Jar was in the "so bad its racist" category.
*Everything about naboo sucked.
*Baby Darth annoyed me. I hate overly smart kids.
*Much of the pod race was stupid.
*The villains weren't scary, they were incompetent mouth breathers.
*Mitochlorians???? Seriously???
*Darth Maul was cool. His death was lame.
Grey Templar wrote: Meh, only really bad thing was Amidala's ridiculous hairstyles. And Jar-Jar. But Jar-Jar was almost in the "So bad its good" category.
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*The villains weren't scary, they were incompetent mouth breathers.
Lol, I have no argument on anything you said- but I thought it was deeply ironic that you used mouth breather as an insult to Star Wars villains. Vader is the scariest mouth breather in history!
The villains really were lacking in terror and motivation in Phantom Menace- heck, episode had bloody Grand Moff Tarkin- who was utterly horrifying without engaging in any combat whatsoever. "You're far too trusting", delivered so indulgently as he is about to obliterate a world could be a poster for evil- we don't hate you.... we just do not care.
Indeed. The bad guys are literally office clerks. Seriously? The trade federation who buy an army of dorkobots?
It was made to be a children's movie. At that level, it succeeded, sort of. But bringing it back to the central topic, at that level, Disney is in a far better position to handle proper kids' movies.
It's a pretty safe bet that the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe is going to get squatted with the films. A Lucas-written story treatment was part of what Disney bought, and he's being kept on as a consultant. He's also on record as saying the EU after the last movie is not what he would have made it.
Seaward wrote: He's also on record as saying the EU after the last movie is not what he would have re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-made it.
Fixed that for you
I have to say that I don't like any of the star wars films particularly. They are all fairly dull, poorly acted and badly written. I just really hope the new ones are proper films rather than CGI films for four year olds.
Grey Templar wrote: Sure, but he liked money more than the integrity of his universe so he allowed them to be written.
Yes. The hierarchy of canon that he established allowed him to let people write all the fanwank they wanted, and for him to profit from it all, but to invalidate it any time he chose.
From what little I remember of the EU from being 13, invalidating it would be no great loss.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: But that would mean the Stackpole books, particularly the Rogue Squadron series is non-canon, and those books are fething awesome.
But it also means the Emperor getting cloned and returning from the dead every Thanksgiving also isn't canon, so you gotta take the good with the bad I guess.
I like Karen Traviss's stuff personally. Also, part of the EU includes a Darth Maul that survived being cut in half and falling into a pit, after which he becomes an even more bad ass sith cyborg.
Well as long as they don't make the same kind of blunder as they did with Episode III. I mean... Vader gets off the table, finds out he killed his wife, and his response is to scream "Nooooooooo!" in an OH SO OBVIOUS slap sticky way in which to insight laughter from its viewers? The movie was awesome until THAT moment. IMO. I am excited to see if they do bring in book series authors who would KNOW the chronological events and how to cohesively sew them into a film script. Nothing would be worse than to bring in a pseudo fan-boi director who is looking for a challenging way to make or break his career. However, in the end its Star Wars, and we will all go see it at least once regardless of what we hear from others.
wowsmash wrote: Mmm more lightsabers, Jedi goodness and possible expansion of the universe on the big screen maybe even see mandalorian stuff yes please.
Indeed, I'd like them to go backwards instead of forwards. the Mandalorian wars would be an awesome movie series.
Have three parallel series. Red Alert for those with light hearted tastes, Tiberium for those with more serious scifi desires, and Generals for the Tom Clancy-esque Technothriller lovers. Just don't try to rationalize how the GLA can take over Europe over a few weeks too hard.
I think Starcraft would be a better script base. I mean all they would need to do is follow the games storyline. We all love the cut scenes right? Why not make a movie based on the story at hand? Could be pretty sweet if you ask me!
B3AN wrote: I think Starcraft would be a better script base. I mean all they would need to do is follow the games storyline. We all love the cut scenes right? Why not make a movie based on the story at hand? Could be pretty sweet if you ask me!
Bah, command and conquer is the one true RTS series.
B3AN wrote: I think Starcraft would be a better script base. I mean all they would need to do is follow the games storyline. We all love the cut scenes right? Why not make a movie based on the story at hand? Could be pretty sweet if you ask me!
B3AN wrote: I think Starcraft would be a better script base. I mean all they would need to do is follow the games storyline. We all love the cut scenes right? Why not make a movie based on the story at hand? Could be pretty sweet if you ask me!
Ditto Mass Effect
The Mass Effect movie is already confirmed methinks.
B3AN wrote: I think Starcraft would be a better script base. I mean all they would need to do is follow the games storyline. We all love the cut scenes right? Why not make a movie based on the story at hand? Could be pretty sweet if you ask me!
Bah, command and conquer is the one true RTS series.
I deny Metroid: Other M, Supreme Commander 2, and Command and Conquer 4.
I deny that people get so pissy over works of fiction that they deny that they exist.
What was wrong with those games, anyway? They were all pretty good to the best of my knowledge.
Other M: Blatant sexism, character rape, and turning a strong independent female character, the very first in video games in fact, into a submissive emo who needed the approval of a man before activating an upgrade that would stop her from roasting to death. And then the creator went and said this is how women should be like. No, screw you Sakamoto, you are not defiling an Icon to women with your creepy misogyny.
Supreme Commander 2: Blatantly dumbing down the game to make it playable on consoles and gutting the primary draw of Supreme Commander in the first place, scale and modability.
C&C 4: Threw out EVERY LAST FETHING ASPECT OF THE COMMAND AND CONQUER FORMULA. EVERY LAST FETHING THING THAT MADE THE SERIES UNIQUE WAS THROWN OUT TO GIVE US A HALF ARSED STARCRAFT RIP OFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE GOD DAMN ALIEN INVASION THE THIRD GAME SET US UP FOR!
Also the reviews for Other M and C&C 4 were mediocre to bad from professional critics, while players almost universally tongue lashed them for being blatant betrayals of the series that spawned them.
I deny Metroid: Other M, Supreme Commander 2, and Command and Conquer 4.
I deny that people get so pissy over works of fiction that they deny that they exist.
What was wrong with those games, anyway? They were all pretty good to the best of my knowledge.
Other M: Blatant sexism, character rape, and turning a strong independent female character, the very first in video games in fact, into a submissive emo who needed the approval of a man before activating an upgrade that would stop her from roasting to death. And then the creator went and said this is how women should be like. No, screw you Sakamoto, you are not defiling an Icon to women with your creepy misogyny.
Supreme Commander 2: Blatantly dumbing down the game to make it playable on consoles and gutting the primary draw of Supreme Commander in the first place, scale and modability.
C&C 4: Threw out EVERY LAST FETHING ASPECT OF THE COMMAND AND CONQUER FORMULA. EVERY LAST FETHING THING THAT MADE THE SERIES UNIQUE WAS THROWN OUT TO GIVE US A HALF ARSED STARCRAFT RIP OFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE GOD DAMN ALIEN INVASION THE THIRD GAME SET US UP FOR!
Also the reviews for Other M and C&C 4 were mediocre to bad from professional critics, while players almost universally tongue lashed them for being blatant betrayals of the series that spawned them.
Not defending misogyny here, but with regards to Other M (which I haven't played, don't kill me) I thought it was a prequel to the other games, and depicted Samus as she was when she was new in the field, and not a total hardass.
I suppose that could give some credibility for making her a lot more emotional and less "badass". Also, I think the "I don't have permission to use this yet" had less to do with gender roles and more to do with the guy being her superior officer.
Like I say, I haven't played the game, so please don't shove a Morph Ball up my arse.
And not meaning to be a pedant, but what about the gameplay itself? Was that any good?
I deny Metroid: Other M, Supreme Commander 2, and Command and Conquer 4.
I deny that people get so pissy over works of fiction that they deny that they exist.
What was wrong with those games, anyway? They were all pretty good to the best of my knowledge.
Other M: Blatant sexism, character rape, and turning a strong independent female character, the very first in video games in fact, into a submissive emo who needed the approval of a man before activating an upgrade that would stop her from roasting to death. And then the creator went and said this is how women should be like. No, screw you Sakamoto, you are not defiling an Icon to women with your creepy misogyny.
Supreme Commander 2: Blatantly dumbing down the game to make it playable on consoles and gutting the primary draw of Supreme Commander in the first place, scale and modability.
C&C 4: Threw out EVERY LAST FETHING ASPECT OF THE COMMAND AND CONQUER FORMULA. EVERY LAST FETHING THING THAT MADE THE SERIES UNIQUE WAS THROWN OUT TO GIVE US A HALF ARSED STARCRAFT RIP OFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE GOD DAMN ALIEN INVASION THE THIRD GAME SET US UP FOR!
Also the reviews for Other M and C&C 4 were mediocre to bad from professional critics, while players almost universally tongue lashed them for being blatant betrayals of the series that spawned them.
Not defending misogyny here, but with regards to Other M (which I haven't played, don't kill me) I thought it was a prequel to the other games, and depicted Samus as she was when she was new in the field, and not a total hardass.
I suppose that could give some credibility for making her a lot more emotional and less "badass". Also, I think the "I don't have permission to use this yet" had less to do with gender roles and more to do with the guy being her superior officer.
Like I say, I haven't played the game, so please don't shove a Morph Ball up my arse.
And not meaning to be a pedant, but what about the gameplay itself? Was that any good?
Prequel? It's the second to last game chronologically. Over a half decade after zero mission.
And he's not her superior officer, she's a freelance operative who's only on the ship because she wants to and can leave at any time. He has literally no authority over her. He has not had any authority over her since she left the Federation military at age fifteen, which by this point in the series was over a decade in the past.
And the actual prequel mangas show that she managed to come to terms with her past (still burning with a fury towards the Space Pirate race that would make a khorne berzerker piss himself in fear) before Zero Mission, and constructively projects her anger and grief rather than let it rule her.
I deny Metroid: Other M, Supreme Commander 2, and Command and Conquer 4.
I deny that people get so pissy over works of fiction that they deny that they exist.
What was wrong with those games, anyway? They were all pretty good to the best of my knowledge.
Other M: Blatant sexism, character rape, and turning a strong independent female character, the very first in video games in fact, into a submissive emo who needed the approval of a man before activating an upgrade that would stop her from roasting to death. And then the creator went and said this is how women should be like. No, screw you Sakamoto, you are not defiling an Icon to women with your creepy misogyny.
Supreme Commander 2: Blatantly dumbing down the game to make it playable on consoles and gutting the primary draw of Supreme Commander in the first place, scale and modability.
C&C 4: Threw out EVERY LAST FETHING ASPECT OF THE COMMAND AND CONQUER FORMULA. EVERY LAST FETHING THING THAT MADE THE SERIES UNIQUE WAS THROWN OUT TO GIVE US A HALF ARSED STARCRAFT RIP OFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE GOD DAMN ALIEN INVASION THE THIRD GAME SET US UP FOR!
Also the reviews for Other M and C&C 4 were mediocre to bad from professional critics, while players almost universally tongue lashed them for being blatant betrayals of the series that spawned them.
Not defending misogyny here, but with regards to Other M (which I haven't played, don't kill me) I thought it was a prequel to the other games, and depicted Samus as she was when she was new in the field, and not a total hardass.
I suppose that could give some credibility for making her a lot more emotional and less "badass". Also, I think the "I don't have permission to use this yet" had less to do with gender roles and more to do with the guy being her superior officer.
Like I say, I haven't played the game, so please don't shove a Morph Ball up my arse.
And not meaning to be a pedant, but what about the gameplay itself? Was that any good?
Prequel? It's the second to last game chronologically. Over a half decade after zero mission.
And he's not her superior officer, she's a freelance operative who's only on the ship because she wants to and can leave at any time. He has literally no authority over her. He has not had any authority over her since she left the Federation military at age fifteen, which by this point in the series was over a decade in the past.
And the actual prequel mangas show that she managed to come to terms with her past (still burning with a fury towards the Space Pirate race that would make a khorne berzerker piss himself in fear) before Zero Mission, and constructively projects her anger and grief rather than let it rule her.
Oww....That's bad.
Hopefully the next Metroid game will make up for it.
Anyway, back to the topic of Star Wars and the unfairly hated prequels.
I deny Metroid: Other M, Supreme Commander 2, and Command and Conquer 4.
I deny that people get so pissy over works of fiction that they deny that they exist.
What was wrong with those games, anyway? They were all pretty good to the best of my knowledge.
Other M: Blatant sexism, character rape, and turning a strong independent female character, the very first in video games in fact, into a submissive emo who needed the approval of a man before activating an upgrade that would stop her from roasting to death. And then the creator went and said this is how women should be like. No, screw you Sakamoto, you are not defiling an Icon to women with your creepy misogyny.
Supreme Commander 2: Blatantly dumbing down the game to make it playable on consoles and gutting the primary draw of Supreme Commander in the first place, scale and modability.
C&C 4: Threw out EVERY LAST FETHING ASPECT OF THE COMMAND AND CONQUER FORMULA. EVERY LAST FETHING THING THAT MADE THE SERIES UNIQUE WAS THROWN OUT TO GIVE US A HALF ARSED STARCRAFT RIP OFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN ADDRESS THE GOD DAMN ALIEN INVASION THE THIRD GAME SET US UP FOR!
Also the reviews for Other M and C&C 4 were mediocre to bad from professional critics, while players almost universally tongue lashed them for being blatant betrayals of the series that spawned them.
Not defending misogyny here, but with regards to Other M (which I haven't played, don't kill me) I thought it was a prequel to the other games, and depicted Samus as she was when she was new in the field, and not a total hardass.
I suppose that could give some credibility for making her a lot more emotional and less "badass". Also, I think the "I don't have permission to use this yet" had less to do with gender roles and more to do with the guy being her superior officer.
Like I say, I haven't played the game, so please don't shove a Morph Ball up my arse.
And not meaning to be a pedant, but what about the gameplay itself? Was that any good?
Prequel? It's the second to last game chronologically. Over a half decade after zero mission.
And he's not her superior officer, she's a freelance operative who's only on the ship because she wants to and can leave at any time. He has literally no authority over her. He has not had any authority over her since she left the Federation military at age fifteen, which by this point in the series was over a decade in the past.
And the actual prequel mangas show that she managed to come to terms with her past (still burning with a fury towards the Space Pirate race that would make a khorne berzerker piss himself in fear) before Zero Mission, and constructively projects her anger and grief rather than let it rule her.
Oww....That's bad.
Hopefully the next Metroid game will make up for it.
Anyway, back to the topic of Star Wars and the unfairly hated prequels.
Well Retro, makers of the beloved Prime series says that they're "working on something everyone wants them to". But it's all been very hush hush so far.
As for the prequels, I didn't hate them, but I feel that there was a lot of wasted potential. Like General Grievous could have been awesome had they went with the unstoppable death machine in the first clone wars cartoon. Instead they condemned him to mediocrity.
