its the previous generations douchyness carrying on as normal.
douches never think they are douches.
this generation is just as bad as previous ones.
the whole baby boomer gen is just as "entitled" and so on as this generation.
or should the next generation not feel entitled to have at least what the previous generation had? remember, quality of living is going DOWN this generation, so the most recent generation really is getting the shorter end of the stick so to speak.
wish I could find the article right now, but there was a good archeological dig that unearthed some old egytian shrouds that said "kids of this age do not respect their elders as they used to"
its more a generational gap altering perceptions then anything else.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” - mis-attributed to Socrates
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates#Misattributed
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” - mis-attributed to Socrates
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates#Misattributed
So Thales said it? Either way, it's been said for a long time that kids today suck, right? More or less?
Peanut gallery aside children and teenagers are no different today than they were in the past, however we have moved from a relatively more disciplined society to a less disciplined one, and above all have had changes in technology so fast that a stable generation cannot arise between them.
Both these points require further scrutiny.
As stated levels of discipline is always relative and there is no specifically correct balance. Both more disciplined and less disciplined societies have their advantages and disadvantages; and it is in nature to take forgranted the advantages as inherent to most humans and to highlight the disadvantages as the evils of the current generation.
There is no balance there is no fix, there is only the choice to be wise and patient and both of those virtues come only with time that youth has not had enough of.
The technological problems are more pressing as theoretically these are something we can do something about. Human nature is inherent whereas technology is artificial, it can be improved upon or restricted.
Things are moving too fast that the technological threshold is jumping faster than human generations can account for. A man born in the fifties could cope with the seventies and thus be ready to welcome a next generation into the world with understanding of what the world is like to someone of that age.
Our generations can no longer do this. The differences between the seventies and the nineties that while someone born in the seventies is by no means out of place in the nineties. However the youth of the seventies and the youth of the nineties bear no correlation so that present generation of parents really cannot envision modern youth; and most are not only unaware of this, but would be in rank denial if this truth was ever explained to them.
Fortunately we are at the dawn of a generational shift between a humanity that can envelop its day to day technologies and one that cannot. We proliferate common devices like mobile phones to children which would take a lifetime of study to fully understand. The pyramid of knowledge is now so tall even those who understand scientific realities have to work on base assumptions of people in other fields which are the foundations of their own field of study.
This makes humans a very fragile piece of a technological jungle filled with strange and unfathomable wonders.
This is relevant because from this generation onward until our technological world collapses this basic fact will remain, the technology may and likely will be different, but the impossible being both mundane and freely accessible to children will be a constant. Kids dont just get books or boats, kites or balls anymore, they get next generation electronic gizmos which are each the product of generations of research in numerous fields and are push button easy to operate. It wont really matter what the gizmos of the next generation will be, they will remain outside the reach of understanding because people are just people and in thus the technological generation gap will likely close.
Kids are growing up in an age where being rude gakkers to people is hailed as the greatest showing of comedic skill.
"hur dur I troled you lololol"
Also facebook. I've really started to hate it. It's making me realize how many of the people I know are capable of being extremely petty and stupid.
Sooooo yeah. I'd go up to places like Anchorage to get away from all the stupid, but those damn shark vampires just showing up and killing everyone is pretty inconvenient.
Necroshea wrote: Kids are growing up in an age where being rude gakkers to people is hailed as the greatest showing of comedic skill...
That's common in a lot of friendship in all ages a lot of friends like to take the piss out on each other, like my brother shares racist jokes with his black friend but is he sincere about the racism in the jokes? Of course not.
Man, a lot of people ITT have completely bought into the idea that kids are worse at all.
What's worse is that most of you are pretty young, so you're comparing "kids these days" to kids in a day that you never experienced. You weren't there, how do you know they were better back then? Are you basing it on TV and movies from the time? Because if so, lol.
mega_bassist wrote:Kids these days didn't have the dog from Duck Hunt mocking them then they failed. I completely blame it on that.
This.
Technically I am a "kid these days", but I did play duck hunt, and most of the people I get along with are from older generations. Coincidence? I think not.
Rented Tritium wrote: Man, a lot of people ITT have completely bought into the idea that kids are worse at all.
What's worse is that most of you are pretty young, so you're comparing "kids these days" to kids in a day that you never experienced. You weren't there, how do you know they were better back then? Are you basing it on TV and movies from the time? Because if so, lol.
What do you mean by a lot? I've seen like maybe 2 people say that they feel kids are worse today.
We have more individualism now, where as in the past societies were more uniformed. Because we have a lot more emphasis on individual expression nowadays, it means people sometimes clash and bicker over the most pettiest of things. That's one theory.
Less emphasis on discipline and manners too so that could also be a reason, you don't really hear Sir or Madame that much any more. Plus a lot of media makes lauded figures out of characters that aren't exactly responsible, decent people: e.g. Charlie Sheen, Paris Hilton, The Kardashians, etc. Douchebag types apparently make for good TV which then causes it to reflect on our culture as a whole (it could be argued.) A lot of people I know are pleasant people regardless of the crap on telly that supposedly influences us though, just saying.
Necroshea wrote: Kids are growing up in an age where being rude gakkers to people is hailed as the greatest showing of comedic skill...
That's common in a lot of friendship in all ages a lot of friends like to take the piss out on each other, like my brother shares racist jokes with his black friend but is he sincere about the racism in the jokes? Of course not.
Well of course. While the reasoning behind it can be weird and passive aggressive (I'm not even going to go into female friendships), I think a healthy friendship involves a good amount of laughter, and what better way to do that than through jokes and pranks and the like.
But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about being outwardly rude to strangers. I'm talking about videos where people harass bystanders and post it online, only to get high fives and likes. I'm talking about sucker punching a bystander and yelling world star. I wonder if there's a connection between people being rude and people having decreased social skills. Hmmm.
Also, after attaining many a friend that does not share my race, I've come to find out that racial jokes are the best jokes.
Ahtman wrote: "When you stare into the abyss, it also, uhm, you know, does some staring itself" - The Dude.
god I miss those games.....
why the feth does everything have to be 3d first person... top down view all the way.
EDIT*
now a days, its not that there are so many more douches per capita, although there certainly are more douches just because the population in general has gone up
Its that every douche has the whole frikkin internets to post his douchist ways uppon... so now that all douches are on you tube genning hits... we notice it more.
It hasn't changed through the last 20 years, it's just that it's shown around more thanks to TV, internet, social media. It's just way more obvious now.
Rented Tritium wrote: Man, a lot of people ITT have completely bought into the idea that kids are worse at all.
What's worse is that most of you are pretty young, so you're comparing "kids these days" to kids in a day that you never experienced. You weren't there, how do you know they were better back then? Are you basing it on TV and movies from the time? Because if so, lol.
Well, we can't all be hardened, worldly, and wise like the 18 year old OP. If the kids are worse nowadays, I don't notice. They're obnoxious little gits, don't get me wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm still an obnoxious git at 29, just much larger.
We'll wait until I've seen several more generations of them before I pass final judgement.
All kids have been obnoxious since the dawn of time. Don't think your generation (if you're 18, you're part of it) is special.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” -Socrates
It's not that people now days are bigger douches, it's that the Internet and other widely available communication allows you to be exposed to a greater amount of people, and thus a greater amount of douches.
Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
This is the worst thing I've ever read.
"PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT MUSIC AND CLOTHES THAN ME. THAT MEANS THEY'RE BAD AND I'M GOOD."
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles.
O rly?
We got the Beat, the Go-gos, 1980:
Spoiler:
See the people walking down the street
Fall in line just watchin' all their feet
They don't know where they're want to go
But their walking in time
They got the beat
They got the beat
They got the beat
Yeah, they got the beat
See the kids just gettin' out of school
They can't wait to hang out and be cool
Hang around 'til quarter after twelve
That's when they fall in line
They got the beat
They got the beat
Kids got the beat
Yeah, kids got the beat
Go-Go music really makes us dance
Do the pony, puts us in a trance
Do what you see just give us a chance
That's when we fall in line
'Cause we got the beat
We got the beat
We got the beat
Yeah, we got it
We got the beat
We got the beat
We got the beat
Everybody get on your feet
(We got the beat)
We know you can dance to the beat
(We got the beat)
Jumpin' and get down
(We got the beat)
Round and round and round
We got the beat
We got the beat
We got the beat
Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
You remember back when kids were all wearing the same Hot Topic (division of Abercrombie and Fitch) black shirt with vaguely-edgey-but-still-corporate-safe saying on it around the turn of the century? You remember when all the kids had to have bell bottoms because their parents didn't get it and it made them cool? How about zoot suits? Pepperage Farm remembers.
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
It's cute how you're so absurdly wrong.
On an unrelated note, I think one thing that could have something to do with the state of discontent in today's youth is just how much older generations kind of screwed us over. I've no illusions that I will ever own any land, or receive a pension of any kind. My greatest hope in life is that I can find employment that can last me until the day I die. The rest of my generation and I will be inheritors to a broken and dying world that is continually exploited for the sake of financial gain. Your generation may be lucky enough to die before you see the greater effects, but going forward, my generation will have to clean up your mess.
You can complain about my generation all you want, but at some point, you have to take responsibility for creating this monster.
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
It's cute how you're so absurdly wrong.
I think one thing that could have something to do with the state of discontent in today's youth is just how much older generations kind of screwed us over. I've no illusions that I will ever own any land, or receive a pension of any kind. My greatest hope in life is that I can find employment that can last me until the day I die. The rest of my generation and I will be inheritors to a broken and dying world that is continually exploited for the sake of financial gain. Your generation may be lucky enough to die before you see the greater effects, but going forward, my generation will have to clean up your mess.
You can complain about my generation all you want, but at some point, you have to take responsibility for creating this monster.
The reference I made was more general. I could have gone into great depth about his statements, but others already have. I've edited my original post to emphasize that.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates, c.400BC.
You could argue however that Socrates lived during a similar 'cycle' of society, of relative wealth, prosperity and a lack (compared to other periods) of serious external threats and hardships.
When things have 'gone south', after pestilence and war (or being forced to work in a coal mine for that matter!) the character of society's youth changes accordingly to fit the times.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates, c.400BC.
You could argue however that Socrates lived during a similar 'cycle' of society, of relative wealth, prosperity and a lack (compared to other periods) of serious external threats and hardships.
When things have 'gone south', after pestilence and war (or being forced to work in a coal mine for that matter!) the character of society's youth changes accordingly to fit the times.
Wasn't there a bit of trouble between Athens and Sparta around Socrates time?
LordofHats wrote: Athens and Sparta were in the middle of the Peloponnesian Wars.
More of a Pelopennesian Scuffle, those were.
Um lol? The battles of the late 5th century BC and early 4th radically altered the balance of power in Greece. That's not a scuffle. Maybe a scuffle by our standards but not to the city states. Athens went from being the most powerful city in Greece to being the weakest, and Sparta went from no. 2 to being no. 1 to being no. 5 at best by the end with underdogs Corinth and Thebes coming out on top. The wars were not a scuffle.
I totally understand why my comment would be received negatively. The way I phrased it made me sound like a total narcissist and hypocrite. However, what I really meant is that although every generation seems like a bunch of irresponsible morons to the previous ones, I really see just how screwed up we are specifically. Fafnir is absolutely right, though. We are inheriting a world of corrupt politics, dying ecosystems, and violence. It just seems that some of us get too caught up with being 'swag,' while the important thing is to take the responsibility for mankind's mistakes and fixing what's been broken. Wow, I just sounded pretty preachy, didn't I?
MrDwhitey wrote: Every generation complains about the next generation.
And the previous one.
And anything. Ever.
But what previous generation gave us Justien Beiber?
Huh?! HUH?!?!?!
Actually that's your useless generation's fault. If you feth heads had headed the signs, headed the warnings... all you had to do was nuke Canada in response Celine Dion (now known as the Herald of Darkness) coming south and everything would have been fine.
LordofHats wrote: Sorry bro. Some of us thought Juno was an overrated movie showcasing how stupid teenagers are
Juno wasn't the only movie she was in! Inception was good! And I assume that Hard Candy would be a very enjoyable, whimsical adventure along the lines of Willy Wonka.
Inception was kind of good... But it had someone from Canada in it and in my ignorance I am forced to assume the film was just a Canadian trick to make me believe Canada was okay! Clearly all our problems are your fault!
Yep, excessive douche bags are exported to the United States or fed to polar bears. That's why Canada is the politest country on Earth. Even if they do ration healthcare.
It's actually a genius system we have in place. We tell everyone in the hospital that we can't take care of them, and the ones who get angry and mean about it are tossed out on their asses. The impolite die off, and everyone else gets the healthcare they need.
Fafnir wrote: It's actually a genius system we have in place. We tell everyone in the hospital that we can't take care of them, and the ones who get angry and mean about it are tossed out on their asses. The impolite die off, and everyone else gets the healthcare they need.
LordofHats wrote: Athens and Sparta were in the middle of the Peloponnesian Wars.
More of a Pelopennesian Scuffle, those were.
Um lol? The battles of the late 5th century BC and early 4th radically altered the balance of power in Greece. That's not a scuffle. Maybe a scuffle by our standards but not to the city states. Athens went from being the most powerful city in Greece to being the weakest, and Sparta went from no. 2 to being no. 1 to being no. 5 at best by the end with underdogs Corinth and Thebes coming out on top. The wars were not a scuffle.
Bring back corporal punishments without retributions to the parents
Dad belt.....never forget that piece of leather
Going out to find a switch
Grounded
PS3 smashed
Nintendo smashed
Talk back to dad best be ready to fight if you don't back down (hence the doorway to adult hood is open and dad will have the father and son talk over a beer with you)
Dad seeing you lost a fight. Best go back out to kick the guy ass and pay attention when he says "there are no rules in a street fight"
Painful way to grow up but tell the truth. I'm a better man for it.
Flogging is still a legal criminal punishment in Delaware.
Old man never smashed any of my gear (cause that's a waste of money) but I definitely got a spanking when I deserved it. I do wish I had respected him more growing up, which is why I call him sir now. The shift drives him a little nuts.
Gawd forbid now if I touch a kid for punishment. Last marriage former step son brought home a classic "E" and "D" report card. Had no value explanation. Pretty much threw a tantrum on us because we were in his way of his PS3 game....Assassin Creed (no idea what version)....Lost my frame of mind for a second.....common sense agreed with the lost part.....went an got my 5LBS ball peenhammer and smashed the PS3 to pieces.....then to smaller pieces....and then to actual pieces I can use on base and SM with debrie's, wiring, and component and other what not.......btw it was my PS3 I was on PC games
Automatically Appended Next Post: Old people get you where it hurts.....two month later my XBOX 360 went with the PS3
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Old man never smashed any of my gear (cause that's a waste of money) but I definitely got a spanking when I deserved it.
I think there is value in this. But when a child deserves it, and how you go about it, is important. For example my dad probably only 'properly' spanked me maybe 10 times (I'm adding one or two assuming I forgot some), and that was early in life. After that it wasn't the threat of the punishment so much as me having equated 'spanking' with 'disappointing my parents', and I hadn't equated the two things before. So it made me rethink my actions before I made them (usually), and he didn't need to spank me again. It was a pretty good system. I'm not trying to say it was a fear based thing, me being too afraid of punishment to do anything, more I respected their wishes and knew how much they disliked having to do that, and that they really did know best, and what not which led me to think things through more and act better.
I had the hell beat out of me several times, but still less than I deserved. To make matters worse (or better), I was lucky enough to pull off all the REALLY good gak without getting caught. I shudder to think what would have happened for those times. In this day and age, the stuff I pulled off as a teen is the stuff that we mock on this very forum about kids getting tossed in jail as an adult for acts of terror because they made homemade M80s or some gak.
Jihadin wrote: Bring back corporal punishments without retributions to the parents
Dad belt.....never forget that piece of leather
Going out to find a switch
Grounded
PS3 smashed
Nintendo smashed
Talk back to dad best be ready to fight if you don't back down (hence the doorway to adult hood is open and dad will have the father and son talk over a beer with you)
Dad seeing you lost a fight. Best go back out to kick the guy ass and pay attention when he says "there are no rules in a street fight"
Painful way to grow up but tell the truth. I'm a better man for it.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Old man never smashed any of my gear (cause that's a waste of money) but I definitely got a spanking when I deserved it.
I think there is value in this. But when a child deserves it, and how you go about it, is important. For example my dad probably only 'properly' spanked me maybe 10 times (I'm adding one or two assuming I forgot some), and that was early in life. After that it wasn't the threat of the punishment so much as me having equated 'spanking' with 'disappointing my parents', and I hadn't equated the two things before. So it made me rethink my actions before I made them (usually), and he didn't need to spank me again. It was a pretty good system. I'm not trying to say it was a fear based thing, me being too afraid of punishment to do anything, more I respected their wishes and knew how much they disliked having to do that, and that they really did know best, and what not which led me to think things through more and act better.
This.
Well, I didn't get hit much, maybe again 10 times or so, but I've only actually been caught doing something bad and deserved it maybe half those times. The other half were due to a short-tempered scottish stepfather with depression. Still, it did put me in line- again, not because of the actual punishment, more the knowledge of that punishment being my parent's disappointment. The undeserving ones kind of ruined that effect at the time though, because some of the times I did deserve it I blamed it on my stepfather rather than myself. Still, though I was an immensely annoying child who didn't really know when to shut up, I didn't really do a whole lot other than that (apart from aforementioned hitting/not getting caught).
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
It's cute how you're so absurdly wrong.
On an unrelated note, I think one thing that could have something to do with the state of discontent in today's youth is just how much older generations kind of screwed us over. I've no illusions that I will ever own any land, or receive a pension of any kind. My greatest hope in life is that I can find employment that can last me until the day I die. The rest of my generation and I will be inheritors to a broken and dying world that is continually exploited for the sake of financial gain. Your generation may be lucky enough to die before you see the greater effects, but going forward, my generation will have to clean up your mess.
You can complain about my generation all you want, but at some point, you have to take responsibility for creating this monster.
Cry me a river kid. Emo nonsense. We survived world wars, the Cold War, ducking under desks waiting for the bomb, multiple recessions, and the time before transistors, much less the internet. You don't know what screwed is. In the words of the Immortal Bard; Get a job Hippy!
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Jihadin wrote: Gawd forbid now if I touch a kid for punishment. Last marriage former step son brought home a classic "E" and "D" report card. Had no value explanation. Pretty much threw a tantrum on us because we were in his way of his PS3 game....Assassin Creed (no idea what version)....Lost my frame of mind for a second.....common sense agreed with the lost part.....went an got my 5LBS ball peenhammer and smashed the PS3 to pieces.....then to smaller pieces....and then to actual pieces I can use on base and SM with debrie's, wiring, and component and other what not.......btw it was my PS3 I was on PC games
Automatically Appended Next Post: Old people get you where it hurts.....two month later my XBOX 360 went with the PS3
See that was your error. You don't smash the PS3, you confiscate the PS3 and play all the games. They really really hate that.
Easy E wrote: I think the ris ein Douchbaggery is directly porportional to the aging of the population.
The natural reaction to dealing with old, cranky people is to be a douchebag. Therefore, we can blame Baby Boomers for douchebaggery.
When I see old, cranky people I ignore them, like I would any other cranky person I didn't know.
Plus, old people are no more cranky than younger people- the old cranky ones were once middle-aged cranky people, who were once young cranky people, and the same with happy people.
Cry me a river kid. Emo nonsense. We survived world wars, the Cold War, ducking under desks waiting for the bomb, multiple recessions, and the time before transistors, much less the internet. You don't know what screwed is. In the words of the Immortal Bard; Get a job Hippy!
Seeing as you survived the actual Stone Age, all that was just an average Tuesday for ya, Fraz.
Humans forget bad things before they forget good things. This is why the "good old days" exist at all. Anyone who tells you things were better when we had live nukes pointed at each other and blacks couldn't vote is an idiot.
Cry me a river kid. Emo nonsense. We survived world wars, the Cold War, ducking under desks waiting for the bomb, multiple recessions, and the time before transistors, much less the internet. You don't know what screwed is. In the words of the Immortal Bard; Get a job Hippy!
Seeing as you survived the actual Stone Age, all that was just an average Tuesday for ya, Fraz.
Jihadin wrote: In about ten years we're all screwed anyway. Financial collapse of America.....Zombie apocalypse.....EU breaking up...I'm moving to Thailand...
No no no Zombie Games!
Besides do you really want to be in Thailand when the zombie "girls" start running around?
killykavekommando wrote: Being a teen in the new 'dreaded generation,' I can definitely say that music plays a huge part in the behavior of the youth. Although you could definitely argue that each generation since the 1920's had its own music that preached about defiance and change, this past decade has been filled with some of the most mindless lyrics and writing styles. Essentially, musical pop culture has morphed from an 'be yourself' attitude to a 'conform to the pseudo-independence' set of ideals in which teens and children are convinced that by buying OBEY hats and t-shirts they are unique and cool.
It's cute how you're so absurdly wrong.
On an unrelated note, I think one thing that could have something to do with the state of discontent in today's youth is just how much older generations kind of screwed us over. I've no illusions that I will ever own any land, or receive a pension of any kind. My greatest hope in life is that I can find employment that can last me until the day I die. The rest of my generation and I will be inheritors to a broken and dying world that is continually exploited for the sake of financial gain. Your generation may be lucky enough to die before you see the greater effects, but going forward, my generation will have to clean up your mess.
You can complain about my generation all you want, but at some point, you have to take responsibility for creating this monster.
Cry me a river kid. Emo nonsense. We survived world wars, the Cold War, ducking under desks waiting for the bomb, multiple recessions, and the time before transistors, much less the internet. You don't know what screwed is. In the words of the Immortal Bard; Get a job Hippy!
And we grew up with bomb threats and a world of perpetual and profitable fear after 9/11. The fear mongering is the same, the only difference is who we antagonize. You can complain all about this modern generation as much as you want, but you better realize that we have a lot in common.
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Jihadin wrote: Gawd forbid now if I touch a kid for punishment. Last marriage former step son brought home a classic "E" and "D" report card. Had no value explanation. Pretty much threw a tantrum on us because we were in his way of his PS3 game....Assassin Creed (no idea what version)....Lost my frame of mind for a second.....common sense agreed with the lost part.....went an got my 5LBS ball peenhammer and smashed the PS3 to pieces.....then to smaller pieces....and then to actual pieces I can use on base and SM with debrie's, wiring, and component and other what not.......btw it was my PS3 I was on PC games
Automatically Appended Next Post: Old people get you where it hurts.....two month later my XBOX 360 went with the PS3
See that was your error. You don't smash the PS3, you confiscate the PS3 and play all the games. They really really hate that.
You're still doing it wrong. You make them get rid of the PS3 (whichever means is largely irrelevant, although having them destroy it is deliciously painful). Let them know that they don't even have the power of their own personal agency.
The this "generation" is probably better than ones in the past. They work harder, worry more and have so little to hope for. The children now will be the first in over 100 years to be worse of than there parants. It depresses me when people complain about "kids today". They have problems just like we did, but by constantly putting them down we are selling them short.
Steve steveson wrote: The this "generation" is probably better than ones in the past. They work harder, worry more and have so little to hope for. The children now will be the first in over 100 years to be worse of than there parants. It depresses me when people complain about "kids today". They have problems just like we did, but by constantly putting them down we are selling them short.
Not at all, and thats what the problem is. The generation has to prove themselves first.
Frazzled-last of his species er generation yea generation.
WWI - who cares-they're all dead as a doornail
WWII - proven, but they're all nearly dead as a doornail.
Shadow generation - proven. Elvis uber alles.
Boomers-bust what an epic bunch of tossers.
XGen - too much time sipping tang and reading XMen. Madonna? Vanilla Ice? What were you thinking?
Millennials - whiny emos. Here boy, get my car.
Newest generation. barely coherent. Jobs taken by hardworking Central American immigrants and rightfully so.
When I was a kid my Father beat my ___, then beat it again for making his hand hurt.
Then he got out the penny loafer.
Funny thing is I don't even remember doing anything that bad. But I knew any adult anywhere was OK'd by my father personally to whip my ___ if and when I needed it.
Jihadin wrote: Bring back corporal punishments without retributions to the parents
Dad belt.....never forget that piece of leather
Going out to find a switch Grounded
PS3 smashed
Nintendo smashed
Talk back to dad best be ready to fight if you don't back down (hence the doorway to adult hood is open and dad will have the father and son talk over a beer with you)
Dad seeing you lost a fight. Best go back out to kick the guy ass and pay attention when he says "there are no rules in a street fight"
Painful way to grow up but tell the truth. I'm a better man for it.
While I agree with the Non-bolded(Except Grounded should not mean just "Sit in your room" )
But i have never believed in hitting kids for punishment. IT doesnt teach kids IMO anything other then "If i do that i get hurt" I will prefer to teach my kids why those things are wrong and why they shouldnt be doing them.
Although If they are 15 and still doing stupid gak, Hitting might be a good idea.
Worms4u wrote: Totally agree Hotsauce. Hitting anyone isn't the answer, it doesn't solve anything. Excepting of course where force is absolutely unavoidable.
My father didn't see it that way. He, fortunately, is medicated now and doing much better.
Worms
My approach will be teach my kids to fight and how to really kick butt, But only if they are stuck in a situation where they cant feasibly run will they be allowed.
If they cant, Only then can they go jackie Chan on them.
Worms4u wrote: Totally agree Hotsauce. Hitting anyone isn't the answer, it doesn't solve anything. Excepting of course where force is absolutely unavoidable.
My father didn't see it that way. He, fortunately, is medicated now and doing much better.
Worms
One of Dad's more fun jobs was training recruits. His method of polite management involved putting errant recruits in lockers and throwing them down the stairs. He informed me that that was an excellent way of keeping everyone else's attention for the remainder of the rotation.
I remember smarting off as a teenager. Now mind you I'd already gotten my first redbelt, worked out all the time liked to break bricks on my head for bets etc etc. Within 30 seconds of smarting off I was out cold.
After some consideration I realize the title isn't really making one generation more derpy then any other, just curious about why it is derpy, as each has there own. For generation X it is an inabilty to take anything seriously for any reason ("Are you being sarcastic?" "I can't tell anymore"). The reason for this ones seems fairly obvious: The Internet.
The internet, while making porn available without the shame, aslo created the biggest navel gazing, echo chamber the universe has ever seen. You humans...err, I mean, we humans started with good intentions, but ended up with 4chan, Yahoo, and Youtube comments section. That is why no other species wants to visit you, I mean us, now. Certainly if an alien species were to send scouts to observe they would be confused and saddened. But not by the porn, that seems pretty cool, if a bit awkward.
If you people are going to even pretend to have a serious conversation, you should be trying to come up with evidence why the latest generation is made up of Justin Bieber Hitlers. By looking for an explanation first, you're putting the cart before the horse.
How is that an issue? That's just how developed nations naturally progress, as life get's better you have more time and money for things, therefore you want more.
It was an issue with my generation, and I can't imagine it's gotten better - lack of fear. You aren't polite to people because Ms Manners taught you to be, you are polite to people because you can't always pick out the person at the end of their rope, about to snap. Civilization exists because of properly harnessed fear, and we are busily training people out of feeling it.
Bromsy wrote: It was an issue with my generation, and I can't imagine it's gotten better - lack of fear. You aren't polite to people because Ms Manners taught you to be, you are polite to people because you can't always pick out the person at the end of their rope, about to snap. Civilization exists because of properly harnessed fear, and we are busily training people out of feeling it.
I agree the USSR and Nazi Germany were such better places to live in because of all that fear.
Bromsy wrote: It was an issue with my generation, and I can't imagine it's gotten better - lack of fear. You aren't polite to people because Ms Manners taught you to be, you are polite to people because you can't always pick out the person at the end of their rope, about to snap. Civilization exists because of properly harnessed fear, and we are busily training people out of feeling it.
I agree the USSR and Nazi Germany were such better places to live in because of all that fear.
Went straight for Godwin eh? No, that is not at all what I was talking about. I'm talking about individually being aware of how easily the world can reach up and smack you down. People are more and more being taught that their negative actions won't have consequences - from anonymity on the internet allowing you to say the most vile things to people, to parents treating their little gaks with the softest of kid gloves. Eventually this all starts to create a sense in people that they are safe from repercussions of their deeds, and indeed just safe in general.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I blame the lack of religion.
People just don't sacrifice virgins to the volcano god like they used to.
I've been trying to feed the volcano god but for the life of me i cannot find virgins over 11 years old and the volcano god refuses to eat what he calls veal croquettes, however just lately i have found a suitable supply , wargaming forums, the answer to a volcano gods' dreams.
My sister trains nurses (on the ward) and she finds gen Y'ers particularly exasperating.
Have the attention span of gnats.
Can't decide their own way of doing things if given a choice.
Fail to listen.
Have an overly self centric world view , and last but not least
Have a high chance of killing someone through negligence , and when it is brought up to them , act like they are the victim.
The term "Generation X" was coined by the Magnum photographer Robert Capa in the early 1950s. He used it later as a title for a photo-essay about young men and women growing up immediately after the Second World War. The project first appeared in "Picture Post" (UK) and "Holiday" (US) in 1953. Describing his intention, Capa said 'We named this unknown generation, The Generation X, and even in our first enthusiasm we realised that we had something far bigger than our talents and pockets could cope with.' [2]
The term was popularized by Canadian author Douglas Coupland's 1991 novel, Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, concerning young adults during the late 1980s and their lifestyles. While Coupland's book helped to popularize the phrase "Generation X," in a 1989 magazine article [3] he erroneously attributed the term to English rock musician Billy Idol.[4][5] In fact, Idol had been a member of the punk band Generation X from 1976–1981, which was named after Deverson and Hamblett's 1965 sociology book Generation X[6]—a copy of which was owned by Idol's mother.[7]
Characteristics and Definition
Gen X is the generation born after the Western post-World War II baby boom describing a generational change from the later Baby Boomer cohort who were born in the late 1950s.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14]
Gen Xers have cultural perspectives and political experiences that were shaped by a series of events. These include post-assassination of John F. Kennedy government and culture, the Vietnam War, Watergate, the presidency of Jimmy Carter, Pope John Paul II, the presidency of Ronald Reagan, the 1984 Summer Olympics, the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, the Chernobyl disaster, Black Monday, the election of George H.W. Bush, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent end of the Cold War, the launch of the Hubble Telescope, the savings and loan crisis,[15] the election of Bill Clinton, the release of Nelson Mandella and the 1990s economic boom, the longest recorded expansion of GDP in the history of the United States. Other events include the Iran hostage crisis, the AIDS epidemic, the War on Drugs, the Persian Gulf War, the rise of the internet and the Dot-com bubble.
In a 2012 article for the Joint Center for Housing Studies of Harvard University, George Masnick wrote that the "Census counted 82.1 million" Gen Xers in the U.S. The Harvard Center uses 1965 to 1984 to define Gen X so that Boomers, Xers and Millennials "cover equal 20-year age spans". [16] Masnick concluded that immigration has filled in any birth year deficits during low fertility years of the late 1960s and early 1970s [17]
Jon Miller at the Longitudinal Study of American Youth at the University of Michigan estimates that in 2011 "Generation X refers to adults now 30 to 50 years of age" and "includes 84 million people" in the U.S. [18]
In 2012, the Corporation for National and Community Service ranked Generation X volunteer rates in the U.S. at 29.4% per year, the highest compared with other generations. The rankings were based on a three-year moving average between 2009 and 2011.[19][20]
In the preface to Generation X Goes Global: Mapping a Youth Culture in Motion, a collection of global essays, Professor Christine Henseler summarizes it as "a generation whose worldview is based on change, on the need to combat corruption, dictatorships, abuse, AIDS, a generation in search of human dignity and individual freedom, the need for stability, love, tolerance, and human rights for all."[21]
In American cinema, directors Quentin Tarantino, David Fincher, Steven Soderbergh,[22] Kevin Smith,[23] Richard Linklater[24] and Todd Solondz[25] have been called Generation X filmmakers. Smith is most known for his View Askewniverse films, the flagship film being Clerks, which focused on a pair of bored, twenty-something convenience store clerks in New Jersey circa 1994. Linklater's Slacker similarly explored young adult characters who were more interested in philosophizing than settling with a long-term career and family. Solondz' Welcome to the Dollhouse touched upon themes of school bullying, school violence, teen drug use, peer pressure and broken or dysfunctional families, mostly set in a junior high school environment in New Jersey during the early to mid-1990s.[26]
Gen Xers were often called the MTV Generation.[27] They experienced the emergence of new wave music, electronic music, synthpop, glam metal, pop punk, alternative rock, grunge,[28]rap music and hip hop.[29][30]
Compared with previous generations, Generation X represents a more apparently heterogeneous generation, openly acknowledging and embracing social diversity in terms of such characteristics as race, class, religion, ethnicity, culture, language, gender identity, and sexual orientation.[27]
Unlike their parents who challenged leaders with an intent to replace them, Gen Xers have a less prominent tendency to idolize leaders and a greater tendency to work toward long-term institutional and systematic change through economic, media and consumer actions.[31]
The U.S. Census Bureau reports that Generation X statistically holds the highest education levels when looking at current age groups: U.S. Census Bureau, in their 2009 Statistical Abstract.
The 2011 publication "The Generation X Report", based on annual surveys used in the Longitudinal Study of today's adults, finds that Gen Xers, who are defined in the report as people born between 1961 and 1981, are highly educated, active, balanced, happy and family-oriented. The study dispels the materialistic, slacker, disenfranchised stereotype associated with youth in the 1970 and 80s.[32] Various questions and responses from approximately 4,000 people who were surveyed each year from 1987 through 2010 made up the study.[33]
Pursuant to a study by Elwood Carlson on "how different generations respond in unique ways to common problems in some political, social, and consumption choices", the Population Reference Bureau, a private demographic research organization based in Washington, D.C., cited Generation X birth years as falling between 1965-1982.[34] On the first page of the study, authors William Strauss and Neil Howe's definition of a "cohort generation" is cited.[34] They define Generation X by the years 1961 to 1981.[35]
In 2008, Details magazine editor-at-large Jeff Gordinier released his book X Saves the World -- How Generation X Got the Shaft but Can Still Keep Everything from Sucking
The phrase Generation Y first appeared in an August 1993 Ad Age editorial to describe teenagers of the day, which they defined as different from Generation X, and then aged 12 or younger as well as the teenagers of the upcoming ten years.[2] Since then, the company has sometimes used 1982 as the starting birth year for this generation.[3] "Generation Y" alludes to a succession from "Generation X."
Authors William Strauss and Neil Howe wrote about the Millennials in Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069 in 1991.[4] In 2000, they released an entire book devoted to them, titled Millennials Rising: The Next Great Generation.[5] According to Bruce Horovitz writing in USA Today Strauss and Howe are "widely credited with naming the Millennials".[1] Strauss and Howe use 1982 as the Millennials' starting birth year and 2004 as the last birth year.[6]
Several alternative names have been proposed by various people: Generation We, Global Generation, Generation Next,[7] and the Net Generation.[8]
Millennials are sometimes called Echo Boomers,[9] referring to the generation's size relative to the Baby Boomer generation,[10] and due to the significant increase in birth rates during the 1980s and into the 1990s. In America, birth rates peaked in 1990[11][12][13][14] and a 20th century trend toward smaller families in developed countries continued.[15][16]
In Australia, there is debate over Millennial birth dates. It is generally accepted, however, that the first Millennials were born in 1983. The Australian Bureau of Statistics, use 1983–2000.[17][18][19][20]
In Canada, 1983 is generally thought to be the starting birth year for Generation Y, ending in 1999 or 2000, even as late as 2004.[21][22]
Like members of Generation X, who were heavily influenced by MTV, early members of Generation Y are also sometimes called the MTV Generation.[23][24][25]
Newsweek has used the term Generation 9/11 to refer to young people who were between the ages of 10 and 20 on September 11, 2001.[26] The first reference to "Generation 9/11" was made in the cover story of the November 12, 2001 issue of Newsweek Magazine. This could be considered a sub-group in Generation Y.
Traits and values
Jean Twenge, the author of the 2006 book Generation Me, considers Millennials along with younger Gen Xers to be part of what she calls "Generation Me".[27] Twenge attributes confidence and tolerance to the Millennials but also a sense of entitlement and narcissism based on personality surveys that showed increasing narcissism among Millennials compared to preceding generations when they were teens and in their twenties. She questions the predictions of Strauss & Howe that this generation will come out civic-minded, citing the fact that when the War on Iraq began military enlistments went down instead.[28]
Strauss & Howe believe that each generation has common characteristics that give it a specific character, with four basic generational archetypes, repeating in a cycle. According to their theory, they predicted Millennials will become more like the "civic-minded" G.I. generation with a strong sense of community both local and global.[29] Strauss and Howe's research has been influential, but also has critics.[30] (See Anonymous for proof of strong sense of community and civic duty)
William A. Draves and Julie Coates, authors of Nine Shift: Work, Life and Education in the 21st Century, write that Millennials have distinctly different behaviors, values and attitudes from previous generations as a response to the technological and economic implications of the Internet.
Surveys by the University of Michigan's Monitoring the Future study of high school seniors (conducted continuously since 1975) and the American Freshman survey, conducted by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute of entering college students since 1966 showed the proportion of students who said being wealthy was very important to them increased from 45% for Baby Boomers (surveyed between 1967 and 1985) to 70% for Gen X and 75% for Millennials. The percentage who said it was important to keep up to date with political affairs fell, from 50% for Boomers to 39% for Gen X and 35% for Millennials.
"Developing a meaningful philosophy of life" decreased the most, across generations, from 73% for Boomers to 45% for Millennials. "Becoming involved in programs to clean up the environment" dropped from 33% for Boomers to 21% for Millennials.[31]
Fred Bonner, a Samuel DeWitt Proctor Chair in Education at Rutgers University and author of Millennial Students in College: Implications for Faculty and Student Affairs, believes that much of the commentary on the Millennial Generation may be partially accurate, but overly general and that many of the traits they describe apply primarily to "white, affluent teenagers who accomplish great things as they grow up in the suburbs, who confront anxiety when applying to super-selective colleges, and who multitask with ease as their helicopter parents hover reassuringly above them." Other socio-economic groups often do not display the same attributes commonly attributed to Generation Y. During class discussions, he has listened to black and Hispanic students describe how some or all of the so-called seven core traits did not apply to them. They often say the "special" trait, in particular, is unrecognizable. "It's not that many diverse parents don't want to treat their kids as special," he says, "but they often don't have the social and cultural capital, the time and resources, to do that."[32]
In 2008 author Ron Alsop called Millennials "Trophy Kids,"[33] a term that reflects the trend in competitive sports, as well as many other aspects of life, where mere participation is frequently enough for a reward. It has been reported that this is an issue in corporate environments.[33] Some employers are concerned that Millennials have too great expectations from the workplace.[34] Studies predict that Generation Y will switch jobs frequently, holding many more jobs than Generation X due to their great expectations.[35]
Millennial characteristics vary by region, depending on social and economic conditions. There's a marked increase in use and familiarity with communication, media, and digital technologies. In most parts of the world its upbringing was marked by an increase in a neoliberal approach to politics and economics; the effects of this environment are disputed.
Have the attention span of gnats.
Can't decide their own way of doing things if given a choice.
Fail to listen.
Have an overly self centric world view , and last but not least
Have a high chance of killing someone through negligence , and when it is brought up to them , act like they are the victim.
My grandfather has the attention span of a gnat.
My grandfather, despite always having an opinion on everything, can't really form his own and takes them from the ultraconservative talking heads.
My grandfather will never listen to any argument or ideas that differ from his own.
My grandfather has a ridiculously self centric world view, and last but not least,
I'd be willing to bet that he's killed someone through negligence, and he certainly does consider himself to be the victim.
Bromsy wrote: It was an issue with my generation, and I can't imagine it's gotten better - lack of fear. You aren't polite to people because Ms Manners taught you to be, you are polite to people because you can't always pick out the person at the end of their rope, about to snap. Civilization exists because of properly harnessed fear, and we are busily training people out of feeling it.
I agree the USSR and Nazi Germany were such better places to live in because of all that fear.
Went straight for Godwin eh? No, that is not at all what I was talking about. I'm talking about individually being aware of how easily the world can reach up and smack you down. People are more and more being taught that their negative actions won't have consequences - from anonymity on the internet allowing you to say the most vile things to people, to parents treating their little gaks with the softest of kid gloves. Eventually this all starts to create a sense in people that they are safe from repercussions of their deeds, and indeed just safe in general.
There's plenty of consequences, a person is unlikely to be hired if the he/she is rude for example, eventually one makes enough mistakes that they'll clue in at some point. Yeah, my Godwin thing was a little extreme it just I feel you can at times make things work by being likeable or
respectful toward one and another and explaining why something is right or wrong rather than just using cheap fear tactics, plus I just don't feel a society built on fear is a good thing as it can damage one's confidence or ambitions or even much worse (such as racism, homophobia, etc).
Have the attention span of gnats. Can't decide their own way of doing things if given a choice. Fail to listen. Have an overly self centric world view , and last but not least Have a high chance of killing someone through negligence , and when it is brought up to them , act like they are the victim.
My grandfather has the attention span of a gnat. My grandfather, despite always having an opinion on everything, can't really form his own and takes them from the ultraconservative talking heads. My grandfather will never listen to any argument or ideas that differ from his own. My grandfather has a ridiculously self centric world view, and last but not least, I'd be willing to bet that he's killed someone through negligence, and he certainly does consider himself to be the victim.
So is my grandfather part of generation Y?
No but you can near guarantee that nurses who've been working for any significant length of time will dislike him. With some very rare exceptions, they are the single most bitter work force I have ever come across. It's like they go into the job wanting to help people, and that just gets eroded by the administration of a private hospital/state health system/union forcing them to jump through unnecessary hoops and do useless things until all they are left with is a seething dislike of humanity.
There are some lovely ones, I worked with an ancient old lady in theatre and she was (almost) always cheery, but they are exceptions to the rule.
Have the attention span of gnats.
Can't decide their own way of doing things if given a choice.
Fail to listen.
Have an overly self centric world view , and last but not least
Have a high chance of killing someone through negligence , and when it is brought up to them , act like they are the victim.
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
Socrates, c.400BC.
Socrates was also quoted as saying "I drank what?"
Well, when I was growing up, if I had acted like lots of kids do now, my daddy would have locked me in a nerve hold until I decided it was a bad idea, and then expected me to figure out not to do it again. Now a days, if you spank your child you very likely go to jail for it..... just sayin
caledoneus wrote: Well, when I was growing up, if I had acted like lots of kids do now, my daddy would have locked me in a nerve hold until I decided it was a bad idea, and then expected me to figure out not to do it again. Now a days, if you spank your child you very likely go to jail for it..... just sayin
I was on the receiving end of a few wrist locks when i was younger. On the plus side, some punk that worked for me once tried to put a wristlock on me and I laughed at him whilst he looked at me in disbelief. Thanks dad!
caledoneus wrote: Well, when I was growing up, if I had acted like lots of kids do now, my daddy would have locked me in a nerve hold until I decided it was a bad idea, and then expected me to figure out not to do it again. Now a days, if you spank your child you very likely go to jail for it..... just sayin
As it turns out, spanking isn't as good for kids as it seems.
LOL I'm not talking about beating one within an inch of ones life. 3 good whacks with the belt, 4-5 hits with the switch across the butt. To get the point across. That was then. I smash the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because I own them nor did I care. Rather get god grades or score high on some video game? What's important in life? Good grades or is that now so old school? Has Jersey Shore talking over mainstream teens?
caledoneus wrote: Well, when I was growing up, if I had acted like lots of kids do now, my daddy would have locked me in a nerve hold until I decided it was a bad idea, and then expected me to figure out not to do it again. Now a days, if you spank your child you very likely go to jail for it..... just sayin
As it turns out, spanking isn't as good for kids as it seems.
That study, does it take into account that those with "less progressive" parenting ideals may have lower IQs than those have more progressive?
Now we're letting music define our generation? I say 80"s and 90"s define our generation (42 now) MTV started, Long Hair Bands, Rock an Roll...Def Leapard. Quiet Riot, Skid Row, Paul McCartney, Queenryche, BenBivDevoe, Garth Brooke, and Queen Latifa...lets not forget Madonna and Cher. Just to name a few. Also Park Football was the rage. Pickup Base Ball, BMX and Skate boarding were picking up. Muscle Cars. Stereo system to.....lets not forget the Wooofers lol damn I can go on
Jihadin wrote: LOL I'm not talking about beating one within an inch of ones life. 3 good whacks with the belt, 4-5 hits with the switch across the butt. To get the point across. That was then. I smash the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because I own them nor did I care. Rather get god grades or score high on some video game? What's important in life? Good grades or is that now so old school? Has Jersey Shore talking over mainstream teens?
Nither is the articular. Personally I think it teaches that you get what you want by violence. Especially when done with an implement. Why the hell would a grown man need a stick to smack a kid?
Personally I hate the idea of hitting kids and think it shows a lack of self control, as dose smashing things up (Expensive things as well). I mean, smashing hundreds of dollars worth of computer rather than selling it... Thats lashing out and petite retribution if ever I saw it.
This is the kind of thing I see time and again about "this generation"... "He won't do anything but play on his XBox" . It used to be TV. Before that radio. It's not a generation thing, its a parent thing. Its up to the parents to teach there kids the importance of studding and working hard, and encouragement and support work much better than fear.
This made me search google to see what I could find. While not as overtly funny as I thought it would be, I found a few interesting things. A lot of it was either to mean spirited, way off the mark, or *shiver* to sexual to share.
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This one is for Frazzled.
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Sadly, I think this is the only one with much truth to it, having spent enough time in and around schools.
Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me.
Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me.
Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
They have a Design and Technology department in High School over there? And of course there are still people that do work with their kids when the grade is bad, but there has been a slow but growing shift to where the student is a beautiful genius and if they don't do well it it must be the schools fault.
How is that an issue? That's just how developed nations naturally progress, as life get's better you have more time and money for things, therefore you want more.
Entitlement (Definition: The fact of having a right to something) is an issue when they take from others: "Some person feels they are entitled to what you have and are willing to try to take it from you." Wars have started for less and I see this played out daily with my kids (Rule: you cannot take it from your brother's hands).
I have had more people just take stuff from my desk at work and I have to slap them down: "Just because you need it does not give you the right to override my needs and invade my workspace (and some of it was my own purchased stuff).".
Getting more "stuff" is not natural progress. Focusing on "stuff" rather than personal development makes for envious grasping people because there is always someone that has more and better stuff than you and much of it has a limited life to ensure on-going consumerism. I like being able to make things and depend on no-one.
Problem is some people look at the stuff I made as "free" (I did not pay much or anything for it right?) and so they think it is not worth much so what is the big deal when they help themselves to it?
Wanting and taking ideas and things from others without proper recognition or compensation for their time is where all the anger and fighting stems from (hence dochey labels).
Are we bitching about Gen X here, or Gen Y? I've now lost count. But let's not be so quick to blame the baby boomers for anything.
It's not like were the ones who took the thriving US economy and flipped the "instant-oligarchy" switch.
It's not like they enjoyed all the good drugs, and then campaigned for harsher drug laws so that their descendants would have to deal with that.
It's not like they were the ones responsible for the fact that I have to buy in to their ponzi scheme in order to (hopefully) not work until I die of old age.
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me. Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
My poor sister had the world's worst teacher ever. Not only was she utterly incompetent (she had been moved from teaching position to teaching position more times then I can remember) she was also a complete gakker. She was the kinda teacher that yells at students when they don't understand what she's trying to say, and then mocks/yells at them when they ask her for help understanding a concept. Heck, when the top student in the school asked for help with a difficult problem, this teachers response was simply to say "well, that's just too bad for you, isn't it?" and then proceed to ignore her. She has torn up homework in front of the class simply because the student forgot to sign their name "correctly". She has been known to "accidentally" throw away/lose homework, and then refuse to grade it when someone finds it, even if all the problems were solved correctly.
The worst thing about it all that she has tenure, and since she's employed by a small, failing rural school district, the school administration cannot get rid of her or they wouldn't have a Pre-Algebra and Algebra I and II teacher. Whenever they get a substitute teacher, the kids in the class always do better and don't come home completely depressed and frustrated.
Needless to say, no one does well in her classes, save for a handful of kids that can tune her out/are exceptionally good at math. The thing is, here in the US, if you fail a class, you have to take it again next year - if you fail 3 classes, you have to do a whole grade over again. Roughly half of the students in this particulars teachers classes are ones that have failed one or more times. Eventually they just give up and stop caring, and that's when the gak hits the fan.
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me. Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common. (Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
My poor sister had the world's worst teacher ever. ***snip***
Classic case of narcissist getting into position of power (it is all about me!). People responsible for small children, people's lives and law should be assessed to see if they have a shred of empathy before they could proceed in their chosen profession. It is now a time that self promotion is applauded and rewarded so this condition is becoming frequently common. Riding on the backs of others is looked as a smart thing but then "teamwork" is a thing of the past since ladder climbers want to lead. Too many chiefs not enough Indians.
Freaking Summary: Each generation has contributed to the next getting worse, all because of the need to "get ahead".
In all honesty from my own experience of observing "successful" people would say to my kids:
-Be loud but "happy". -Never accept fault, "I had a different view of things but was overruled by the team!" -Claim success as yours "I knew that when my ideas were accepted it would end in success!" -Never leave physical evidence of any decision being made by you (but feel free to let evidence of successful outcomes surface). -Always, always, punish anyone who "locks horns" with you and mask it as "helping them". -Make many positive statements about yourself publicly even if they are not true; "I just want to see the right thing done.", "I want to see the project moving forward without these delays!", "I give help but I guess they like to learn things the hard way."
So douche-ness is more adaptation to the path of success.
***edit: looking at that again, wow that sounded bitter...***
Jihadin wrote: LOL I'm not talking about beating one within an inch of ones life. 3 good whacks with the belt, 4-5 hits with the switch across the butt. To get the point across. That was then. I smash the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because I own them nor did I care. Rather get god grades or score high on some video game? What's important in life? Good grades or is that now so old school? Has Jersey Shore talking over mainstream teens?
Nither is the articular. Personally I think it teaches that you get what you want by violence. Especially when done with an implement. Why the hell would a grown man need a stick to smack a kid?
Personally I hate the idea of hitting kids and think it shows a lack of self control, as dose smashing things up (Expensive things as well). I mean, smashing hundreds of dollars worth of computer rather than selling it... Thats lashing out and petite retribution if ever I saw it.
This is the kind of thing I see time and again about "this generation"... "He won't do anything but play on his XBox" . It used to be TV. Before that radio. It's not a generation thing, its a parent thing. Its up to the parents to teach there kids the importance of studding and working hard, and encouragement and support work much better than fear.
Honestly the only time people should be allowed to hit is in self-defense, you punched someone in the face cause you didn't like what they did, what are you five?
Louis CK has a really good bit about hitting kids. I'm relying on the wordfilter here to fix the swearing, so I apologize if it does't work in quotes or something.
"And stop hitting me, you're huge. How could you hit me?! That's crazy. You're a giant, and I can't defend myself." I really think it's crazy that we hit our kids. It really is--here's the crazy part about it. Kids are the only people in the world that you're allowed to hit. Do you realize that? They're the most vulnerable, and they're the most destroyed by being hit. But it's totally okay to hit them. And they're the only ones! If you hit a dog they fething will put you in jail for that gak. You can't hit a person unless you can prove that they were trying to kill you. But a little tiny person with a head this big who trusts you implicitly, feth 'em. Who gives a gak? Just fething hit--let's all hit them! People want you to hit your kid. If your kid's making noise in public, "Hit him, hit him! Hit him! Grrr, hit him!" We're proud of it! "I hit my kids. You're damn right I hit my kids." Why did you hit them? "'Cause they were doing a thing I didn't like at the moment. And so I hit them, and guess what? They didn't do it after that." Well, that wouldn't be taking the fuckin' easy way out would it? How 'bout talking to them for a second, you fething slow!? What are you an idiot? What are you a fething ape? "Well, I know it's a pain in the ass!" Well you fethed a woman and a fething baby came out of her vagina! Now, you be patient. It's not their fault.
Rented Tritium wrote: Louis CK has a really good bit about hitting kids. I'm relying on the wordfilter here to fix the swearing, so I apologize if it does't work in quotes or something.
"And stop hitting me, you're huge. How could you hit me?! That's crazy. You're a giant, and I can't defend myself." I really think it's crazy that we hit our kids. It really is--here's the crazy part about it. Kids are the only people in the world that you're allowed to hit. Do you realize that? They're the most vulnerable, and they're the most destroyed by being hit. But it's totally okay to hit them. And they're the only ones! If you hit a dog they fething will put you in jail for that gak. You can't hit a person unless you can prove that they were trying to kill you. But a little tiny person with a head this big who trusts you implicitly, feth 'em. Who gives a gak? Just fething hit--let's all hit them! People want you to hit your kid. If your kid's making noise in public, "Hit him, hit him! Hit him! Grrr, hit him!" We're proud of it! "I hit my kids. You're damn right I hit my kids." Why did you hit them? "'Cause they were doing a thing I didn't like at the moment. And so I hit them, and guess what? They didn't do it after that." Well, that wouldn't be taking the fuckin' easy way out would it? How 'bout talking to them for a second, you fething slow!? What are you an idiot? What are you a fething ape? "Well, I know it's a pain in the ass!" Well you fethed a woman and a fething baby came out of her vagina! Now, you be patient. It's not their fault.
***snip***
Its up to the parents to teach there kids the importance of studding and working hard, and encouragement and support work much better than fear.
Honestly the only time people should be allowed to hit is in self-defense, you punched someone in the face cause you didn't like what they did, what are you five?
I agree with statements against spanking or "violence" to the child except on ONE condition.
What if he his hurting others?
I have a child that LIKED to hit and felt it was the most effective means of getting what he wanted.
No spanking was done before this, TV and games were monitored for NO physical violence.
He hit his best friend one day and when asked why: "Because I knew he would not hit me back".
6 year old kid at the time.
Got to the point of hitting at LEAST once a day.
We tried EVERYTHING from time outs to lost privileges.
NOTHING worked, he actually found it funny.
I spanked him. Told him every time he hit someone he would get 3 swats to the bum for every instance.
He would get one more for every time he tried to hide hitting someone or lied about it.
Made it clear this was HIS choice to hurt other innocent kids and he has a consequence EVERY time.
Any idea how hard it is to do when you make sure you are not angry when you do it?
I said to him this is better now than being jailed if he gets too old and not cured of this problem.
He tried it out two more times AND IT NEVER HAPPENED SINCE.
He is not fearful of me, can anyone say this punishment is "crazy" while other children are hurt?
We had much analysis done but his viewpoint really was that we were fools for asking for something you could just take and beat them down if they disagree - simple.
Jihadin wrote: We need a age in reference to Gen X to Gen Y
Gen Xers are supposedly somewhere between 30 to in their 40s, gen Y is something between 29 to somewhere in their late teens, at least per wikipedia.
I find it bs personally, as I am 29 and don't know what the feth the young 20-somethings i work with are talking about most of the time, but can strike up a conversation any day with the guy at work who is in his 60s.
Of course, I can't really reason with most of the super-duper type A alpha-male wannabes that are in their 30s either, so maybe it's just a non age related aversion to donkey-caves.
Jihadin wrote: We need a age in reference to Gen X to Gen Y
Gen Xers are supposedly somewhere between 30 to in their 40s, gen Y is something between 29 to somewhere in their late teens, at least per wikipedia.
I find it bs personally, as I am 29 and don't know what the feth the young 20-somethings i work with are talking about most of the time, but can strike up a conversation any day with the guy at work who is in his 60s.
Of course, I can't really reason with most of the super-duper type A alpha-male wannabes that are in their 30s either, so maybe it's just a non age related aversion to donkey-caves.
Just master talking about how many girls you feth , how expensive your clothes are, how much alcohol you can drink, and for the ultimate in awkward conversation , how many times they have cheated on their wife ( i love meeting the wife after this conversation - it's a moment of pure unadulterated internal hilarity " Sally did you hear about mike getting together with monica ...for a brilliant presentation at the conference" - yeah that's harsh, but i hate these fethers who wear cheating like it's a badge or something.) and you should be right talking to the 30 alpha male wannabees
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me.
Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
They have a Design and Technology department in High School over there?
Yup, there are D&T departments in most schools AFAIK- Here they have (IIRC) three wood/metalwork rooms, a graphics/theory work room and a computer room for it.
Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me.
Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
My poor sister had the world's worst teacher ever. Not only was she utterly incompetent (she had been moved from teaching position to teaching position more times then I can remember) she was also a complete gakker. She was the kinda teacher that yells at students when they don't understand what she's trying to say, and then mocks/yells at them when they ask her for help understanding a concept.
Ouch. I've not had that bad, but I have had two or three which get angry when they're not understood first time round and often lose work, and mark lazily if they even bother at all. Most times though, it is the student's fault.
Rented Tritium wrote:Louis CK has a really good bit about hitting kids. I'm relying on the wordfilter here to fix the swearing, so I apologize if it does't work in quotes or something.
I'm on the side that hitting kids is bad, unless other means of punishment/disincentives aren't working and it is necessary. In my experience, if the kid isn't hit often, the times where he/she is is jarring, like a bucket of icy water, which makes them go "holy gak, I was out of order."
But if it's more of a regular thing, it loses that quality, and it just becomes routine and doesn't actually do much.
shrike wrote: Not sure how it is with others, but with me if I get bad grades, it's all on me.
Which is fair enough, it is usually my fault, teachers being responsible for bad grades is far less common.
(Though it is still infuriating when it is a teacher's fault (I'm looking at you, Design and Technology department))
They have a Design and Technology department in High School over there?
Yup, there are D&T departments in most schools AFAIK- Here they have (IIRC) three wood/metalwork rooms, a graphics/theory work room and a computer room for it.
My highschool had a D&T section. But along with the arts departments, the funding was cut to near nothing to fund their (constantly and consistently losing) sports programs. As someone who skipped almost all of his breaks to work in those labs, it was infuriating. We can afford to give special schooling to people who are good at slapping a puck around (and they were all pompous asses because of it), but those with skill actually applicable to real life use get completely shafted.
JWhex wrote: Well my generation had Steve McQueen and Tina Turner, these poor sods have Dog the Bounty Hunter and Paris Hilton.
I pity the poor fools.
I honestly believe that I should've been born around 30 years before I actually was. The only thing that wasn't around then that I currently like is the internet and the lord of the rings films and SBG.
Skittles were made in '74, so I could live the first 8 years of my life without them.
JWhex wrote: Well my generation had Steve McQueen and Tina Turner, these poor sods have Dog the Bounty Hunter and Paris Hilton.
I pity the poor fools.
I honestly believe that I should've been born around 30 years before I actually was. The only thing that wasn't around then that I currently like is the internet and the lord of the rings films and SBG.
Skittles were made in '74, so I could live the first 8 years of my life without them.
Watch Midnight in Paris.
I know, Owen Wilson is in it. Don't worry, he doesn't bite.
JWhex wrote: Well my generation had Steve McQueen and Tina Turner, these poor sods have Dog the Bounty Hunter and Paris Hilton.
I pity the poor fools.
I honestly believe that I should've been born around 30 years before I actually was. The only thing that wasn't around then that I currently like is the internet and the lord of the rings films and SBG.
Skittles were made in '74, so I could live the first 8 years of my life without them.
Watch Midnight in Paris.
I know, Owen Wilson is in it. Don't worry, he doesn't bite.
I love that movie, largely because I've always wanted to live, at least for a time, in a past time. Heck, that time for me has always been Paris in the '20s. And in the rain. I'm essentially a nerd Gil Pender.
My perception of the world is different, mostly because I am in all of the honors classes. I will tell you three of my experiences in 1) classes that didn't have an alternative higher level track and 2) with one student who is in one of my classes getting C's and in no other honors curriculum except HA social studies(which isn't very demanding at all) and 3)another irritating, very vocal, very uninformed(nicely put, as well as a horrible combination)
1) So, its class E. Most students enter class E about 3 minutes before the bell rings. Student A always "cleverly" taps my shoulder on the right while he/ she walks to his/ her seat on the left. I always respond by " hey ______" to which his/ her crush(B) on the right side always giggles at. (his/ her crush is also in a relationship w/ a different person) The teacher, lets call him/her Mr. Smith, tells everyone to be quiet after the bell rings. It takes 30 seconds, after which another student walks in, and takes his/her place in the front row, after french kissing his/ her partner for about 3 or 4 minutes right outside the class door. The typical day consists of Mr. Smith attempting to get everyones attention for his easier than average curriculum. I know that about 4 people sleep a day in Mr Smiths class. The typical spectrum of grades for a test is A A A A A B D D F F F. I don't know how B gets A's, considering student B and student A have conversations across the room each day(they have picked up the skill of reading lips) Mr. Smith is visibly frustrated most days. While practicing for a class next year, he sometimes talks about his frustration with this class, and according to a friend, also brought up the fact that another low level class was doing extremely poorly. He puts alot of thought into his lessons, and its a shame nobody cares enough to play attention( well, about 21/2 of the class, with about 1/4 the class paying attention on and off)
2)In my english class we were assigned a debate on the death penalty. about 5 people(including me) where against it, and everyone else (20 people) were for it. The day of the debate, a sub came in, so our strict teacher wasn't around to keep it civil. When I presented some facts about the cost of the affair, as well as cases of people proven innocent after killed, some classmates started saying that it was their fault for being killed. But anyway, this student started talking with a friend. Things started getting very vulgar. For not taking their side, I got a few rumors started against me that day, all for having a different viewpoint then them. The particularly vulgar student spent the rest of the year attempting to harass me. I have seen the student cheat on 3 of her tests with a nook.
3) Someone at my lunch table started arguing that the government should cut NASA, because "space exploration was pointless" I brought up that NASA was also in charge of aviation research. He also said that we don't need any more aircraft, and that we can just use our existing aircraft and drones. So, I asked him what we would do when the sun went out, or the enviorment changed drastically and we didn't have spacecraft. He said "we could go underground"- a ninth grader who doesn't understand photosynthesis and the food chain. I tried explaining this to him, but he continued his argument, saying that the money would better be put into the NBA?
"Disengage, disengage, danger of mental osmosis!"(humor, not serious)
Frazzled wrote: If the sun goes out we're all dead. NASA's pretty fething irrelevant at that point.
We don't need NASA for aviation research. Its pretty irrelevant for that.
#1 and #2 sound pretty normal. When people spread rumors about you, just punch them in the face repeatedly until they admit the error of their ways.
When the sun goes out, we are going to have a few million years of research into stuff like stasis, multigenerational ships, maybe FTL. There is a problem with 1 & 2 being normal.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you think we're going to have a few million years? You think people will be around then? Evolution says no.
What about evolution makes you think that Homo sapiens won't last millions of years, I'm not saying we necessarily will either but isn't the idea of evolution that it's random and unpredictable? So how do you know if we will last millions or only thousands of years?
Who made the computer? Apple? Toshiba? ASUS? or a knock off brand laptop? Dude we're going to Ascend!!! Except for Kronk...he be a awhile till he figures how to bring all the beers with him....Kronk we need to start researching like now....
Jihadin wrote: Who made the computer? Apple? Toshiba? ASUS? or a knock off brand laptop? Dude we're going to Ascend!!! Except for Kronk...he be a awhile till he figures how to bring all the beers with him....Kronk we need to start researching like now....
If only the human body had a semi-elastic container with which to store beer in. Better get started on creating a suitably sized one now.
i think it would be easier to find a way to keep yeast alive in the stomach ,that way all we need is water, sugar and distended stomachs, and a stupified grin on the face of everyone who has the live yeast stomach modification. I think we'll call it Kronkitis.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you think we're going to have a few million years? You think people will be around then? Evolution says no.
What about evolution makes you think that Homo sapiens won't last millions of years, I'm not saying we necessarily will either but isn't the idea of evolution that it's random and unpredictable? So how do you know if we will last millions or only thousands of years?
Species flame out. Our species will flame out long before that. As the Terminator said: "its in your nature to destroy yourselves."
To reply to the OP after not having read the 7 pages of this thread, I think it can boil down to how Millennials have come to believe that "trying hard" should be attributed almost as much worth as actual accomplishment.
Frazzled wrote: Why do you think we're going to have a few million years? You think people will be around then? Evolution says no.
What about evolution makes you think that Homo sapiens won't last millions of years, I'm not saying we necessarily will either but isn't the idea of evolution that it's random and unpredictable? So how do you know if we will last millions or only thousands of years?
Species flame out. Our species will flame out long before that. As the Terminator said: "its in your nature to destroy yourselves."
What are you basing this on? Because we've seen so many intelligent species that colonized a planet and then flamed out, right?
Frazzled wrote: You've taken biology right and understand that evolution thing right?
No species has ever gotten to where we are, evolution-wise. There is no model for this.
Now, we could always fail to develop interstellar travel before the sun eats us, but otherwise there isn't anything we can expect one way or the other about our future as a species. Our ability to modify ourselves and our environment makes it unlikely in the extreme that we can be eradicated by simple self-destructive behavior.
Frazzled wrote: You've taken biology right and understand that evolution thing right?
No species has ever gotten to where we are, evolution-wise. There is no model for this.
Now, we could always fail to develop interstellar travel before the sun eats us, but otherwise there isn't anything we can expect one way or the other about our future as a species. Our ability to modify ourselves and our environment makes it unlikely in the extreme that we can be eradicated by simple self-destructive behavior.
Sure they have. They didn't make it to the moon but everything else. To think mankind in its present form will be around in millions of years is misplaced. We'll be gone, either as a species or we'll have somehow been able to find a better place, ala the season finally in Season IV of B5. if it is physically possible, we'll be able to find it in 500 years, if we wodon't wipe each other out first. If so make that 5,500 years.
It really got rolling when kids started getting trophies for "Participation." Really? When I was a kid, being mocked by your peers when you failed was just a fact of life.
Frazzled has a point.
We're all gonna die eventually so what's the point in doing anything?
I mean we may as well just kill everyone now since everyone now is gonna be dead in about 100 years or thereabouts.
Homo Erectus existed for 1.5 million years and they didn't have modern medicine, space travel and the ability to create artificial livable environments.
Interstellar travel and colonization would basically mean going infinite as a species and being impossible to eradicate until the universe is destroyed and the probability that we develop interstellar travel in the next million years seems pretty high considering what we've done with the last 5 thousand.
I'm sure the last generation was as bad as this one, and the generation before that complained about how bad that generation was and how theirs was so much better.
It's just that now that we have the internet, that complaining is more accessible.
FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote: My perception of the world is different, mostly because I am in all of the honors classes. I will tell you three of my experiences in 1) classes that didn't have an alternative higher level track and 2) with one student who is in one of my classes getting C's and in no other honors curriculum except HA social studies(which isn't very demanding at all) and 3)another irritating, very vocal, very uninformed(nicely put, as well as a horrible combination)
1) So, its class E. Most students enter class E about 3 minutes before the bell rings. Student A always "cleverly" taps my shoulder on the right while he/ she walks to his/ her seat on the left. I always respond by " hey ______" to which his/ her crush(B) on the right side always giggles at. (his/ her crush is also in a relationship w/ a different person) The teacher, lets call him/her Mr. Smith, tells everyone to be quiet after the bell rings. It takes 30 seconds, after which another student walks in, and takes his/her place in the front row, after french kissing his/ her partner for about 3 or 4 minutes right outside the class door. The typical day consists of Mr. Smith attempting to get everyones attention for his easier than average curriculum. I know that about 4 people sleep a day in Mr Smiths class. The typical spectrum of grades for a test is A A A A A B D D F F F. I don't know how B gets A's, considering student B and student A have conversations across the room each day(they have picked up the skill of reading lips) Mr. Smith is visibly frustrated most days. While practicing for a class next year, he sometimes talks about his frustration with this class, and according to a friend, also brought up the fact that another low level class was doing extremely poorly. He puts alot of thought into his lessons, and its a shame nobody cares enough to play attention( well, about 21/2 of the class, with about 1/4 the class paying attention on and off)
Although I am not in honors(I might have been able to, IDK) I can say this, just because someone doesn't pay attention doesn't mean they don't know. In my math classes I rarely paid attention(You try paying attention for 2 hr and 45 minute class) but i was able to do the work and get A's on quite a bit of the tests. I'm not naturally gifted in math but i read ahead He may also know how to work the teacher to get good grades. That is what I do aswell, I knew my german teacher loved students who look like they are serious, reading the book before class/test or going to the optional cafe class where we just talk about german. Life isnt always about knowing the facts, it is about learning how to work people and the system.
I blame iPods, video games, porn, music, TV, movies, drugs and anything fun in general for this generations douchiness.
I agree 110%. If you didn't grow up with a remote control in your hand, TV with only 13 channel, and Intellivision hitting the market....then your not my generation
Just to be clear which generation are we talking about here? X? Y? Z? Yes gen z is a thing, which is the current generation babies are being born into now.
I dislike my own generation (Y), I hate the current one and I'm not fond of the previous one either. Personally I think the last good generation was the GI generation. I think I was born in the wrong decade.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: I blame warning labels and parents who won't smack their kids.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
I'm not. Warning labels have permitted too many idiots to have survived. And too many of them have never been smacked in the mouth by their parents.
a) If you're dumb enough to need warning labels, you aren't smart enough to read warning labels. They don't make a difference.
b) Spankings reduce IQ. It turns out you can't really fix a kid by hitting it; they don't work like cheap TVs did in the 80's.
EDIT: Also, if people are even going to pretend to have a serious conversation about this, they should first try to figure out whether or not this generation is douchey. You're putting the cart before the horse. It's like a creationist arguing with an atheist about, "why God exists". Both people are on very different pages.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: I blame warning labels and parents who won't smack their kids.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
I'm not. Warning labels have permitted too many idiots to have survived. And too many of them have never been smacked in the mouth by their parents.
a) If you're dumb enough to need warning labels, you aren't smart enough to read warning labels. They don't make a difference.
Yeah we should remove all warning labels off of chemicals cause after all they're useless (according to you) and hope people remember or know which ones are harmful for your health, that's real bright.
Jihadin wrote: That's a far leap that some individuals will mistake chemicals for food....though there are some people who still mix pine oil with bleach....
I'm not saying someone will confuse it for food like the fumes of a chemical could be toxic but with no warning label you might not know you should be wearing a mask while using it.
That be on the label but the more indepth info be on the MSDS sheet. I see where your going though. Its like the guy that still in the coma for jumping into a pool that had liquid nitrogen poured into it at a Jager party.
b) Spankings reduce IQ. It turns out you can't really fix a kid by hitting it; they don't work like cheap TVs did in the 80's.
You know it's possible give a spanking in certain situations without it being some sort of go-to everyday punishment, right?
If your approach is that you have a broken kid who needs to be fixed with some kind of disciplinary measure, it doesn't really matter what the punishment is, that whole approach strikes me as pretty messed up.
I've been belted three times by my dad. Three-four swipes per. I did not have an abusive childhood Mostly being grounded and being denied entertainment priviliages
At no point in their lifetime were they faced with a major crisis that directly affected them. Past generations had WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam. Another reason could be the flood of easy to use technology/gadgets. With Facebook, Twitter, etc. a lot is spoken but not much actually said. One for the youngest could be growing up in a nation that on a daily basis boasts about it's greatness on a higher level than before. They begin to believe that since they were born here, they too must be great.
WarAngel wrote: At no point in their lifetime were they faced with a major crisis that directly affected them. Past generations had WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam. Another reason could be the flood of easy to use technology/gadgets. With Facebook, Twitter, etc. a lot is spoken but not much actually said. One for the youngest could be growing up in a nation that on a daily basis boasts about it's greatness on a higher level than before. They begin to believe that since they were born here, they too must be great.
Lack of discipline, from the word no to the occasional smacked bum and washing mouth out with soap. Never done me any problems. Then again my sister got same treatment and turned out different.
I was far too young to serve during OIF/OEF, however a great deal of my peers are actively pursuing military careers. About 1/2 of my extended group of friends are planning to serve in the military within the next few years, with half of that number (about 6~8, myself included) enrolled in service academies or officer training programs.
The problem is not that the generation is wholly bad, the problem is that people typically only see the bad parts of it because the people who have the reserve time and effort to publicly make asses out of themselves usually do.
No i did not(I was nine, I have considered a military career, but i decided it isnt for me)
What he was saying that my generation did not have a major crisis, while I am contesting that we indeed did face a major crisis. Not everyone in vietnam or WW2 took part in the fighting, so by that logic those where dueces aswell.
Hell no, I know im damn lucky to have the life i have, I know the world doesnt own me gak. So im going to use all the advantages I do have t get further in life and give those advantages to my kids. The only thing the world owes me is air to breath.
EmilCrane wrote: Just to be clear which generation are we talking about here? X? Y? Z? Yes gen z is a thing, which is the current generation babies are being born into now.
I dislike my own generation (Y), I hate the current one and I'm not fond of the previous one either. Personally I think the last good generation was the GI generation. I think I was born in the wrong decade.
Yeah, all that casual racism and regular lynchings were great.
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EmilCrane wrote: Just to be clear which generation are we talking about here? X? Y? Z? Yes gen z is a thing, which is the current generation babies are being born into now.
I dislike my own generation (Y), I hate the current one and I'm not fond of the previous one either. Personally I think the last good generation was the GI generation. I think I was born in the wrong decade.
Yeah, all that casual racism and regular lynchings were great.
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Oh yeah, how is the near collapse of our financial system not also a major crisis?
How old were you when the Golf got pummel by hurricanes? All the refineries down there got jacked up and gas prices jumped to $5-4 dollars a gallon at reg unleaded. We survived that financial crunch. You as a student Hotsauce have a financial crunch coming. Have you taken any gov't school loans? If not don't take one now. Think its an extra 3K on a ten year loan. We haven't hit the financial crash yet and when we do. I lay good money its a "reset" for the US government. Stock up and be a "Prepper"
Fortress DakkaDakka west of Seattle. Bring your mini's and your own rounds/food
You are correct but it never directly threaten the easy going life the generation in question had. The conflicts that resulted were lower scale than all out war and iirc even Al-Qaeda said they couldn't take down the U.S.A. (they needed us to do it for them.)
Yes there have been incidents that many of us were alive for but for the most part life went on as usual. Sad really considering 9/11 for awhile it was THE major thing, now mostly forgotten and not much good learned because of it.
Oh yeah, how is the near collapse of our financial system not also a major crisis?
How old were you when the Golf got pummel by hurricanes? All the refineries down there got jacked up and gas prices jumped to $5-4 dollars a gallon at reg unleaded. We survived that financial crunch. You as a student Hotsauce have a financial crunch coming. Have you taken any gov't school loans? If not don't take one now. Think its an extra 3K on a ten year loan. We haven't hit the financial crash yet and when we do. I lay good money its a "reset" for the US government. Stock up and be a "Prepper"
Fortress DakkaDakka west of Seattle. Bring your mini's and your own rounds/food
I have never taken a student loan in my 4 years of schooling.
It's a generation raised by baby boomers who made them think that they were special and significant, and when they come into contact with people who just want them to run the cash register and shut the hell up they don't understand why they are summarily dismissed. Then I get to read on various forums about how hard it is to hold a job "in this economy."
My generation (Y) is generally thought of as civic-minded and similar to the G.I. Generation while being more open minded concerning controversial issues.
I can't speak for Generation Z, IMO, they are somewhat of a lost cause. I don't see very much potential among the lot of them.
It's a generation raised by baby boomers who made them think that they were special and significant, and when they come into contact with people who just want them to run the cash register and shut the hell up they don't understand why they are summarily dismissed. Then I get to read on various forums about how hard it is to hold a job "in this economy."
I struggle to understand why someone can't believe that they are special and significant, while still being able to shut up and run the cash register, or do whatever simple job they got hired to do. I think the trouble that you are referring to stems more from simply not being smart enough to realize when it's best to keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself, rather than a belief that you as a human have value.
My generation (Y) is generally thought of as civic-minded and similar to the G.I. Generation while being more open minded concerning controversial issues.
I can't speak for Generation Z, IMO, they are somewhat of a lost cause. I don't see very much potential among the lot of them.
Y. Y's a bunch of tools. X'ers are also douchebags, but at least they're douchebags who tweet fewer pictures of their brunch.
Replace the generations in your posts with races and you'll realize how dumb and borderline age-bigoted this whole conversation is. You're talking about millions of people in each of these groups like they're one thing and of course the groups you aren't in are just the worst, surprise surprise.
Rented Tritium wrote: Replace the generations in your posts with races and you'll realize how dumb and borderline age-bigoted this whole conversation is. You're talking about millions of people in each of these groups like they're one thing and of course the groups you aren't in are just the worst, surprise surprise.
But...but...kids these days! Back in my day! Get off my lawn!
Rented Tritium wrote: Replace the generations in your posts with races and you'll realize how dumb and borderline age-bigoted this whole conversation is. You're talking about millions of people in each of these groups like they're one thing and of course the groups you aren't in are just the worst, surprise surprise.
But...but...kids these days! Back in my day! Get off my lawn!
P.S. - I agree with you.
I will say, kids these days (and adults) drive far, far worse. Too many distractions-music/texting/cell phone blah blah blah.
Rented Tritium wrote: Replace the generations in your posts with races and you'll realize how dumb and borderline age-bigoted this whole conversation is. You're talking about millions of people in each of these groups like they're one thing and of course the groups you aren't in are just the worst, surprise surprise.
There's an argument to be made that I'm in both of those generations.
And the worst are unquestionably the Zs. It's possible we may have to cull just to save the species.
If an EMP goes off over America......almost 2/3 of this country would go nuts without their cells, facebook, twitter, PS3, Xbox, WoW, and internet. I be in the corner with a bunch of other grunts playing Risk and watch huge battles develop over trying to take over South America.
Rented Tritium wrote: Replace the generations in your posts with races and you'll realize how dumb and borderline age-bigoted this whole conversation is. You're talking about millions of people in each of these groups like they're one thing and of course the groups you aren't in are just the worst, surprise surprise.
This. Every generation claims the one after it is worse... It's been happening for decades... This seems relevant.
Admittedly, this whole conversation is based on a fairly wide generalization that the current "generations" are more "douchey" (to quote the OP) than former ones. And while it by the nature of a genralization it is not true of all Gen x, Y, or Zers, there is a reason we use generalizations... they tend to work. The modern generation is more needy, techno-dependent, and lazy than say, the generation that won WW2.... generally speaking...
and if you disagree... watch the jersey shore... that is what we call exhibit D (for dumb)
caledoneus wrote: Admittedly, this whole conversation is based on a fairly wide generalization that the current "generations" are more "douchey" (to quote the OP) than former ones. And while it by the nature of a genralization it is not true of all Gen x, Y, or Zers, there is a reason we use generalizations... they tend to work. The modern generation is more needy, techno-dependent, and lazy than say, the generation that won WW2.... generally speaking...
and if you disagree... watch the jersey shore... that is what we call exhibit D (for dumb)
Living on the Jersey Shore, IRL, I can tell you that that sort of behavior doesn't exist en masse. That behavior does not define any generation nor the region. It is the select few who behave as such that we are weighed against and that is completely unfair.
caledoneus wrote: Admittedly, this whole conversation is based on a fairly wide generalization that the current "generations" are more "douchey" (to quote the OP) than former ones. And while it by the nature of a genralization it is not true of all Gen x, Y, or Zers, there is a reason we use generalizations... they tend to work. The modern generation is more needy, techno-dependent, and lazy than say, the generation that won WW2.... generally speaking...
and if you disagree... watch the jersey shore... that is what we call exhibit D (for dumb)
Except this generation is known for being busier and working harder for less payoff than the generations before it.
Except this generation is known for being busier and working harder for less payoff than the generations before it.
Not by choice.
Just a lil' Wikifun:
Jean Twenge, the author of the 2006 book Generation Me, considers Millennials along with younger Gen Xers to be part of what she calls "Generation Me". Twenge attributes confidence and tolerance to the Millennials but also a sense of entitlement and narcissism based on personality surveys that showed increasing narcissism among Millennials compared to preceding generations when they were teens and in their twenties. She questions the predictions of Strauss & Howe that this generation will come out civic-minded, citing the fact that when the War on Iraq began military enlistments went down instead.
Surveys by the University of Michigan's Monitoring the Future study of high school seniors (conducted continuously since 1975) and the American Freshman survey, conducted by UCLA's Higher Education Research Institute of entering college students since 1966 showed the proportion of students who said being wealthy was very important to them increased from 45% for Baby Boomers (surveyed between 1967 and 1985) to 70% for Gen X and 75% for Millennials. The percentage who said it was important to keep up to date with political affairs fell, from 50% for Boomers to 39% for Gen X and 35% for Millennials.
"Developing a meaningful philosophy of life" decreased the most, across generations, from 73% for Boomers to 45% for Millennials. "Becoming involved in programs to clean up the environment" dropped from 33% for Boomers to 21% for Millennials.
Except this generation is known for being busier and working harder for less payoff than the generations before it.
Not by choice.
Yes, but you could use the same to dismiss people who fought in WW2. We, now, are working harder, being paid less, and being told we have to sort out allot of the crap previous generations have left (The economy, the environment, housing shortages, etc.) with real solutions rather than quick fixes that will go wrong in the future.
It's no wonder people are no longer keeping up to date with politics and feel the need to make more money. Politics is fethed and large chunks of politicians are only out for there own gain. If Watergate happened today it would probably barely make page 2 of the papers and would result in little more than an embarrassed apology. On top of this most mainstream politics is drifting closer and closer to the point that you need a microscope and name badges to tell the difference half the time. The only reason the party not in power disagrees is on principal of partisan politics rather than having alternative views. This dose nothing more than keep the system bogged down and pointless. People see no need to keep up with politics now. As for money, as we see a greater divide between rich and poor people will see it as important to be rich. They see poor as being on the edge. It has always been the way that people want to be better off, it is just that the "better off" group is growing smaller and richer all the time.
Just a little something that might give you an idea where some of the animosity might come from, considering the attitudes that the elder generation has. Hilariously so.
The current generation that's in school right now is the way it is because everything has an excuse now. Everything is waved away as "not their fault", even by their parents.
Just last night during RPG night, my friend's son was being a little monster, and was sent out of the room by his dad. Not because he wasn't listening to his dad when he kept telling the kid "no", but it was blamed entirely on me- "You have to go out in the living room, buddy. Uncle Cris can't deal with you being loud right now".
The other problem of kids? "Go easy on them- it's not their fault, it's just their ADD acting up and that's something they can't control."
I can't quite find anywhere in the thread that "this generation" was defined. Speaking as someone from "Gen X", I suspect that the present-tense term of "this generation" doesn't include me. But just for my clarity, which generation is the OP speaking of?
Or is this just a collective rose-coloured-glasses-for-your-own-youth thread?
At some point in time people decided it was a good idea to start slicing up demographics into these strange little sections like baby boomer, gen X and gen Y, and then start talking about these little sections as though being born between 1980 and 2000 meant you behave a certain way, different to people born in 1979 or 2001. Ultimately I have no fething clue why we do this. It's really stupid.
If you want evidence of how stupid this is, look at pretty much every marketing effort that focused on appealing to gen X. It's all really superficial, inane nonsense. This is because the idea of slicing up history in to generations of like minded groups is really superficial, inane nonsense.
AegisGrimm wrote: The current generation that's in school right now is the way it is because everything has an excuse now. Everything is waved away as "not their fault", even by their parents.
Just last night during RPG night, my friend's son was being a little monster, and was sent out of the room by his dad. Not because he wasn't listening to his dad when he kept telling the kid "no", but it was blamed entirely on me- "You have to go out in the living room, buddy. Uncle Cris can't deal with you being loud right now".
The other problem of kids? "Go easy on them- it's not their fault, it's just their ADD acting up and that's something they can't control."
Frazzled to kids: "you're being loud"
Kids: "Remember we decide which old people home you go to when you retire."
Frazzled: "Er...have some chocolate ice cream."
Frazzled to TBone: "You're being loud"
TBone: Pees on foot. "BARK!"
No respect.
sebster wrote: At some point in time people decided it was a good idea to start slicing up demographics into these strange little sections like baby boomer, gen X and gen Y, and then start talking about these little sections as though being born between 1980 and 2000 meant you behave a certain way, different to people born in 1979 or 2001. Ultimately I have no fething clue why we do this. It's really stupid.
If you want evidence of how stupid this is, look at pretty much every marketing effort that focused on appealing to gen X. It's all really superficial, inane nonsense. This is because the idea of slicing up history in to generations of like minded groups is really superficial, inane nonsense.
There's actually a fair amount of research that goes into determining generational trends.
It shouldn't need to be explained that there's a difference between "this segment tends to act this way" and "[i]every single person born between these years will be like this".
Before you accuse me of making a straw man, read very closely your quoted post.
And for another, the only parts you got right there are white male... not rich, not able-bodied, and certianly not 15-21
I'm not rich financialy but I am well off...just seems I can't spell today....though I am rich in friends, material gains, and a great wife who shares quite a bit of the same attitude I have
Clarify you being "not able bodied". I will be drawing VA disability at 70% but yet I can still get around...don't ask me to run...starting in Aug
I'm 42. Yet the group I work with has at the lowest age 18 and up. I "Da Leader". I can ask my 18 year old PFC to complete a task and I trust him to complete the task within my satisfaction even without back checking him. I care not for Gen X, Y, Z, O, or whatthehelleverleeterwereon. I just need you to complete the mission I set before you
Better yet.....If we're Partying in the Latrine and you see me on my knee's with a sponge cleaning out a commode with toilet bowl cleaner bare handed. Would you hop in the next stall and clean it out like me?
Fafnir wrote: Are you implying that marketing managed to get things wrong?
I was thinking of that exact image
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Monster Rain wrote: There's actually a fair amount of research that goes into determining generational trends.
It shouldn't need to be explained that there's a difference between "this segment tends to act this way" and "[i]every single person born between these years will be like this".
Before you accuse me of making a straw man, read very closely your quoted post.
Sure, there's a lot of research. And that research has produced absolutely nothing of value from what I can see, because the original concept just doesn't work.
Basically, the results of these generational trends are so vague that they basically end up 'working' like Myers-Briggs - the results are so vague that they end up describing everyone, and people go looking for the results they expect to see.
I think the reason why my generation is so "douchey" is because OP assumes that his generation is right, which means that everyone else is wrong. It's a staggering level of hubris really.
I'm so going to whine about the state of young people in another 20 or so years though, it's in human nature.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I'm so going to whine about the state of young people in another 20 or so years though, it's in human nature.
As well you should. Young people are really annoying
The question is whether you conclude 'ah yes, young people are annoying, and then they grow up" or instead decide "ah yes, young people are annoying, and this is a new state in the world that didn't exist when I was young because I never found myself annoying, therefore there must be some great generational trend that makes this new generation of young people uniquely annoying in all of history".
Well, on my end, I got kind of lucky. Those internships I landed at that time demanded a lot out of me as far as my social sensibilities and sense of professionalism are concerned (well, I did do stuff before then, but it was all IT, and you barely need to be human to be IT). Made a man out of me. A lot can happen over 4 months if it's the right 4 months.
Another issue to consider is the parents. Today in a lot of case it's about being the child's friend instead of parent. As a result they get away with more, which in turn leaves them irresponsible and and lacking a sense of accountability.
WarAngel wrote: Another issue to consider is the parents. Today in a lot of case it's about being the child's friend instead of parent. As a result they get away with more, which in turn leaves them irresponsible and and lacking a sense of accountability.
I'd certainly be interested in seeing any actual studies or research on this. What qualifies as being more of the child's friend than being the parent? If you're kind to the child more often than not, does that mean you are a friend and not a parent? Or is it simply shorthand for never disciplining the child, ever. And if so, how do we know there are more parents who don't discipline their children now than there were in the past?
