I thought this response was interesting enough to share.

"Hi there,

I've been out of the 40k loop since 3rd edition, but playing the Deathwatch RPG has rekindled an old flame once thought lost; a righteous fire that demands those unworthy of the God-Emperor's divine blessings.

After scouring the web, I discovered the current codex exists within the confines of a couple White Dwarf issues, and was wondering if you have any plans to release it as a downloadable PDF. Also -- and I don't expect a straight answer here :s -- will I be able to pick up a physical copy of a proper codex in the near future, or should I resign myself to prayer and self-flagellation in order to better understand His will?

Thanks for your time,"

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"Thank you for writing into us. We have asked that the rules for the Sisters of Battle be put on the Games Workshop website but I don't know when or if they will be put on the website and for that I apologize. While the Sister's of Battle will no doubt get an update of their codex and miniatures at some point in the future, at this time we don’t know when this will be. However, please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day! Should you have any other questions please give us a call and we will work to get you helped out.

Sorry we couldn’t be any more help than this."

This was from the NA customer service. Speculating now: if it is true that they've asked head office to put it up, then I assume they did so after recieving enough questions on the matter to warrant a response.

What do you fine folk think?

I'll believe it when I'm holding the new codex (& new minitures) in my hands.

We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll believe it when I'm holding the new codex (& new minitures) in my hands.

We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

D

I thought Sisters players were more into self abuse than flagellation?

The fact that that the higher ups don't post the WD codex or rerelease it is dumb to the Nth degree...To play the army they are essentially justifying piracy...

 evildrcheese wrote:


We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

I'm scheduling time in the flagellation chamber now...

They're already doing the "digital content" thing. Why aren't they selling the SoB WD codex via that, at the very least? How much effort would it really take?

Well the new line of little bits of stuff from old WD & Rulebooks starting to appear as eBooks under the Digital Editions banner from Black Library

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions

makes me wonder if the (old) WD sisters codex might re-appear

We know that GW has been obstinate in terms of republishing the Sisters WD codexes. Yes, we know this. Thanks for the update...

This is far from News or Rumors...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
We know that GW has been obstinate in terms of republishing the Sisters WD codexes. Yes, we know this. Thanks for the update...

This is far from News or Rumors...

How about we just assume you post something like this in every single fething N+R thread, and you just don't bother?

show me where, in the OP, there was any new information presented? We have known this since thw WD issues came out and not enough SOB players managed to gwt both issues.

Yeah, no real news so I'll shift this to 40k discussions.

Here's a really important bit of background though.

GW have painted themselves into a corner with SoB. Reportely GW is now completely out of the metal model business, they don't have metal, they don't even have casting machines.

Since the SoB are almost 100% metal GW's options are:
1-Sell down existing stock and let them go OOP
2-Move them to Finecast
3-Relauch with a mix of plastics and Finecast.

As far as I know there have been NO recent rumors of a new codex or models for SoB, and believe me people are looking.

So my guess is right now they're doing #1 so they certainly don't want to publicize the rules when the models may soon be out of stock.

 azreal13 wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll believe it when I'm holding the new codex (& new minitures) in my hands.

We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

D

I thought Sisters players were more into self abuse than flagellation?

That is flagellation...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll believe it when I'm holding the new codex (& new minitures) in my hands.

We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

D

I thought Sisters players were more into self abuse than flagellation?

That is flagellation...

We may have a translation failure here, "self abuse" is a euphemism for erm.. playing with oneself?

 azreal13 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 evildrcheese wrote:
I'll believe it when I'm holding the new codex (& new minitures) in my hands.

We'd best stick to prayer and self-flagellation in the mean time.

D

I thought Sisters players were more into self abuse than flagellation?

That is flagellation...

We may have a translation failure here, "self abuse" is a euphemism for erm.. playing with oneself?

Oh...is that what it means? I never heard that one before.

Well, flagellation is basically beating yourself

Though I don't think sisters have the "equipment" for that...

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
To play the army they are essentially justifying piracy...

They're actually condoning it at this point. My GW manager was told by customer services to tell people wanting to play SoB to go look for a PDF on the internet, and I've seen other cases of people reporting that customer services told them the same thing.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Reportely GW is now completely out of the metal model business, they don't have metal, they don't even have casting machines.

IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

As far as I know there have been NO recent rumors of a new codex or models for SoB, and believe me people are looking.

There are still older rumours, though. Such as the GW team working on redesigning the models.

And for whatever little it's worth, I've seen a few people around the internet saying that various GW employees have said that all armies will be getting an update this edition.

Edit: misread your post, edited out irrelevant part.

 Troike wrote:
Also, if they were planning to squat them, why continue giving them FAQs or a place in the 6e rulebook? If their plan were to get rid of them, they'd do it instead of using time and money to keep them going.

They still have models to sell, it'd be a terrible idea to let people know that those expensive metal man-with-wigs models are gonna be the next squat when they go OOP.

Not that I don't wish for a substantial update for the sisters, but they don't even fit into GW's current trend of 1 MC, 1 flyer, 1 box cut in half and sold at the same price model of update! Are they gonna sell the left half of a sister model seperate from the right half?

I don't think GW has actually decided to squat them, but other decisions (no more metal) and other priorities can have the same effect.

The fact that the Wall o' Dead Cadians and Khorne Mower were apprently higher priorities does not auger well for the Sisters.


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Baronyu wrote:

Not that I don't wish for a substantial update for the sisters, but they don't even fit into GW's current trend of 1 MC, 1 flyer, 1 box cut in half and sold at the same price model of update! Are they gonna sell the left half of a sister model seperate from the right half?

Don't give them ideas

I remember back in the 90s when they cut the Epic boxes in half, so that each box gave you half of a legal unit.

The Khorne Mower is among the ugliest models I've seen, and it hasn't even been released yet.

Some things from rogue trader that were never made in 28mm scale should have stayed that way...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't think GW has actually decided to squat them, but other decisions (no more metal) and other priorities can have the same effect.

The fact that the Wall o' Dead Cadians and Khorne Mower were apprently higher priorities does not auger well for the Sisters.

My theory is that we haven't seen new Sisters models yet because they're either still trying to redesign them, or are keeping them under wraps so as to do a big model/codex update in order to blitzkrieg people's wallets.

What's a Khorne Mower?

Is it related to the Slaanesh Thresher? I thought the Slaanesh Thresher harvested Khorne?

Working in the industry that I do, I work an awful lot with customer service and product support call centers, and I like to think I'm fairly familiar with the lingo and language used in such environments.

That said, what the CS agent told the OP is basically "we have no idea what is going on with this product line. We'd like there to be an update so people would stop calling us, and it's obvious that people like this product, so there should be an update, because that makes good business sense from where I sit, but we actually don't know if there ever will be or not."

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a Khorne Mower?

Is it related to the Slaanesh Thresher? I thought the Slaanesh Thresher harvested Khorne?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/steders/602327_10201086787559218_1654835177_n_zps891ee19a.jpg

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a Khorne Mower?

Is it related to the Slaanesh Thresher? I thought the Slaanesh Thresher harvested Khorne?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/steders/602327_10201086787559218_1654835177_n_zps891ee19a.jpg

That's metal...in the bad way. Like, 90s poser metal.

It's the face and the axe that ruins it really. They should have just given it a chainsaw and head that looks like its something from Brutal Legend.

 Psienesis wrote:
Working in the industry that I do, I work an awful lot with customer service and product support call centers, and I like to think I'm fairly familiar with the lingo and language used in such environments.

That said, what the CS agent told the OP is basically "we have no idea what is going on with this product line. We'd like there to be an update so people would stop calling us, and it's obvious that people like this product, so there should be an update, because that makes good business sense from where I sit, but we actually don't know if there ever will be or not."

One would also assume that GW is in turn aware of the demand.

Assuming that customer services has informed them, anyway. IIRC, in one correspondance I read, customer service asked GW about releasing a PDF of the SoB codex.

 kronk wrote:
They're already doing the "digital content" thing. Why aren't they selling the SoB WD codex via that, at the very least? How much effort would it really take?

two, maybe three days of work for me (an IT person) if they really wanted to get classy and reformat all the pages to look nicer as a printable PDF

with GW markup: maybe half a million dollars

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a Khorne Mower?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/steders/602327_10201086787559218_1654835177_n_zps891ee19a.jpg

To be honest, not having the PDF for sale by now makes little sense. The only reason I can think of is that it's so low of a priority that they don't want to divert the creative assets to do a formal layout for it, instead of just releasing the White Dwarf page layouts which would look "cheap". But that seems fairly unlikely. It's not that complicated of a project.

Another reason that "sorta" makes sense would be the new codex on the horizon and not want to sell a product that will be swiftly outdated, but that's unlikely.

Baronyu wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Also, if they were planning to squat them, why continue giving them FAQs or a place in the 6e rulebook? If their plan were to get rid of them, they'd do it instead of using time and money to keep them going.

They still have models to sell, it'd be a terrible idea to let people know that those expensive metal man-with-wigs models are gonna be the next squat when they go OOP.

Half right. But they also don't want to invalidate the existing armies by allowing them to become completely unplayable. They learned that customer service fiasco when they Squatted the Squats. They didn't stop hearing about that for ten years. So long that somebody at GW had a temper tantrum about being asked so many times that there was the brief rumor they had been eaten by Tyranids.

The last thing you want to do is upset a bunch of women. You'll never hear the end of it.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The last thing you want to do is upset a bunch of women. You'll never hear the end of it.

Sexism! As a man, I would rage as hard and as unendingly as any woman were my army to be removed!

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a Khorne Mower?

Is it related to the Slaanesh Thresher? I thought the Slaanesh Thresher harvested Khorne?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i27/steders/602327_10201086787559218_1654835177_n_zps891ee19a.jpg

My God-Emprah, it's FUGLY. I hope someone did a good job with the Necron Apocalypse unit because that one, urgh

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

My God-Emprah, it's FUGLY. I hope someone did a good job with the Necron Apocalypse unit because that one, urgh

IIRC, you've got some cool giant monolith things coming.

 Troike wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

My God-Emprah, it's FUGLY. I hope someone did a good job with the Necron Apocalypse unit because that one, urgh

IIRC, you've got some cool giant monolith things coming.

I still want my medusa V tombstalker.

Troike wrote:They're actually condoning it at this point. My GW manager was told by customer services to tell people wanting to play SoB to go look for a PDF on the internet, and I've seen other cases of people reporting that customer services told them the same thing.

Too bad their legal department keeps telling scribd to remove said PDFs.

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

That's what I thought as well. However, do they really cast on per-order basis, or would they do, say, 50, and wait until those sell out, then cast 50 more?

What's this rumour about GW getting rid of all their metal stuff, including the casting equipment? This might spell doom for a whole range of classy armies, not just the SoB. :(

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:They're actually condoning it at this point. My GW manager was told by customer services to tell people wanting to play SoB to go look for a PDF on the internet, and I've seen other cases of people reporting that customer services told them the same thing.

Too bad their legal department keeps telling scribd to remove said PDFs.

Well, Ovion's one is still up. Though that's probably because he's included some legalese to protect it.

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

The odd thing is that two of the Seraphim Superior models don't just say unavaliable, they've literally vanished from the UK GW site.

But yeah, they could reappear. We'll just have to wait and see.

 Troike wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Troike wrote:IRRC, their models are casted upon demand.

The scary thing is that it'd fit to the report from the Plastic Sisters thread regarding the first ones becoming Unavailable in the UK webshop. Of course, it could merely be coincidence and they're just preparing to cast another lot of 50 ...
(I vaguely recall some other minis were Unavailable as well before showing up again)

The odd thing is that two of the Seraphim Superior models don't just say unavaliable, they've literally vanished from the UK GW site.

But yeah, they could reappear. We'll just have to wait and see.

That happened to the Spray Gun Propellant (don't judge me) on the Canadian site. I sent them an e-mail about it, and apparently it was an error. I checked back a week or two later, and it was back up there.

 Lynata wrote:

What's this rumour about GW getting rid of all their metal stuff, including the casting equipment? This might spell doom for a whole range of classy armies, not just the SoB. :(

It already has, Specialist lines like Necromunda are now dead, along with 2nd edition IG

Glad I finished my Tallarn last year.

Magazines are sent to the printers as a PDF file. The pages from that white dwarf will already exist as a PDF. It would be very little work at all to isolate those pages, make a few alterations and make them available on the site.

The reason they don't is because they don't want to. It might be because they want White Dwarf to be essential reading, so republishing any useful content from it is simply not on.

That response is basically servicedesk speak for "don't hold your breath, we've asked but we already knew we're not gonna be told anything early".
I would know... not only am I on a servicedesk, but it's almost exactly how I would have written it were I in the same situation. Couple that with the fact that it's from NA, and any news on SoB would be coming out of the UK.

Speculating now: if it is true that they've asked head office to put it up, then I assume they did so after recieving enough questions on the matter to warrant a response.

No doubt... but it only takes a handful of calls a day for a servicedesk to want a solid answer they can give out. Not nearly enough to reverse a Head Office decision.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
To be honest, not having the PDF for sale by now makes little sense. The only reason I can think of is that it's so low of a priority that they don't want to divert the creative assets to do a formal layout for it, instead of just releasing the White Dwarf page layouts which would look "cheap". But that seems fairly unlikely. It's not that complicated of a project.

Isn't that sort-of what they did recently with Chaos Daemons?

Yeah but they had new demon units to sell and a codex on the way.

This time...

Im more annoyed because SoB is an army ive never used in my life, and it was tempting to start collecting an army and see where it went.
However, missing the 2nd WD caused a few probs and stopped that one dead.

Really dont mind the old models, or the price, but buying an army i have no way of playing does not interest me.
They need a PDF on the site like they did with BA or like FW has with DKoK.

Someone needs to email Reaper or someone asking about making some "Gothic Star Valkyries".

Read my Sig.

I won't believe it until I see them with my own eyes.

"We haven't forgotten them and they'll be updated in the future."
I call BS. By "Future" they mean maybe 2258AD or something. Not necessarily in our lifetimes.

I dont believe that GW is casting metal minis on demand. Too few metal minis exist at this time to justify it.

By not having the pdf, the existing stock will sell slower, forestalling its depletion and putting off whatever decision has to be made when they are gone.

We should just buy up all the metal figures and force a decision from them.
As to what that decision might be....probably not what we'd want. :(

Well that seems to be happening since some figures are now unavailable in some regions.

Maybe that is happening as their stock in the various warehouses runs out and they just can't be bothered enough to make more and ship them there.

 Krellnus wrote:
Maybe that is happening as their stock in the various warehouses runs out and they just can't be bothered enough to make more and ship them there.

It doubtless is what's happening. What's interesting is that the UK site is also showing No Longer Available for some models - including one of the three named characters.

That just means that the automated stock management software noticed the stock of that product is out, and no human has responded to it by refreshing stocks or removing the entry.

Honestly "no longer available" is the worst possible thing to see, because if it lasts too long it means nobody is even dealing with it.

So, what do we think will happen? They'll be OOP for a long time if not forever with little to no official statement from GW or will they step up and do something?

For what its worth, the same Seraphim model is no longer on the page for the U.S. site as well as virtually all of the all metal Collectors' IG range.

We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

A complete non-answer to a question and an apology.

Figures.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

 MWHistorian wrote:
So, what do we think will happen? They'll be OOP for a long time if not forever with little to no official statement from GW or will they step up and do something?

When people got wind that the Specialist Games models were getting low on stock and would not be replenished, there was a lot of panic buying for Battle Fleet Gothic and many models disappeared in about a week. It will be interesting to see if there are as many people that have been holding off buying sisters that will be spurred into action to scoop up stuff.

Somehow I doubt this will happen.

I think GW will just let the stuff go out of print and keep quiet about the SoB. If they remain noncommital they keep their options open and put off being criticized for killing the SoB, which they may not be planning on doing anyway. It does not cost them anything other than some lost sales (which apparently they dont care about) to just let the sisters go into hibernation mode until they accomplish other priorities.

GW is focused on new customers so they probably expect most sales of any rejuvenated SoB line to be sold to new customers and couldnt give two craps about existing fans.

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

That's exactly what I meant.

Unless GW has something up their sleeve and they're ready to launch this Summer/Fall I would expect the SoB to be out of production for a very long time.


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JWhex wrote:


When people got wind that the Specialist Games models were getting low on stock and would not be replenished, there was a lot of panic buying for Battle Fleet Gothic and many models disappeared in about a week. It will be interesting to see if there are as many people that have been holding off buying sisters that will be spurred into action to scoop up stuff.

I don't think GW ever even announced it, people only found out because they asked customer service why model X wasn't available.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We knew the old IG were going out of production so that's no shock.

The rumors are GW sold off its metal casting equipment, they simply CANNOT make more unless they transition to Finecast.

True, but does not the same apply to the SoB as well? If GW sold of its metal casting equipment, then they cannot make more SoB anymore than more Steel Legion.

That's exactly what I meant.

Unless GW has something up their sleeve and they're ready to launch this Summer/Fall I would expect the SoB to be out of production for a very long time.

That being the case, this doesn't bode well for SoB at all.

Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

I was afraid of that answer but I didn't want to admit it. They'll quietly let it die and hope no one will ask about it and if they do they'll throw out vague promises like "oh, we haven't forgotten! They will be updated in the future! Don't worry!" and then promptly forget everything about it.

Spetulhu wrote:
Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

Most of the Raging Heroes female characters are pretty lame fan-service-y models (icnluding their "toughest girls in the galaxy" line), though there are good exceptions to this.

Infinity is an okay producer as well, but they have sad number of derptastic and/or fan-service pieces too.

 Melissia wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
Well, seems we have to go to Raging Heroes then.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

If they can do nice female models with that budget GW should be able to. They're big, have a dedicated fan base and probably a lot more money in cash than some upstart studio has.

Most of the Raging Heroes female characters are pretty lame fan-service-y models (icnluding their "toughest girls in the galaxy" line), though there are good exceptions to this.

Infinity is an okay producer as well, but they have sad number of derptastic and/or fan-service pieces too.

I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

 Purifier wrote:
I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

So if they aren't shoving their tits and ass in your face, aren't showing tons of skin, and don't have a "I'm a model in a fake uniform" pose,, they're "pseudo-male"?

Honestly, I just want to see a good model range of female soldiers who look like, you know, professional female soldiers. There's a few out there that are individual models, but no real ranges that can be put together as a proper army that looks both varied and internally consistent.

 Melissia wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

So if they aren't shoving their tits and ass in your face, aren't showing tons of skin, and don't have a "I'm a model in a fake uniform" pose,, they're "pseudo-male"?

Wow, that's not even a little bit what I said. I could have said "hi" and you would have read it as a long story the way you read things into what wasn't there.

When I saw Jean D'arc, the movie, I thought "THIS is how you write and act a character that is heroic and female."

this is what she looks like:


When I saw GI Jane, I couldn't think anything but "Oh my god, they are trying to have her be a man."
The character was so poor. Pseudo male.

In modeling terms, I compare it to taking a male model and modeling breasts onto it and saying "this is now female."

It isn't. It's crap.

 Purifier wrote:
Wow, that's not even a little bit what I said.

On the contrary, your reaction to someone complaining about fan-service was to act as if it was a dichotomy; either "fan-service" or "pseudo-male", and nothing in between.

I don't believe in such a dichotomy (nor, I should note, do I particularly care for the art style of the Catachan army).

 Melissia wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Wow, that's not even a little bit what I said.

On the contrary, your reaction to someone complaining about fan-service was to act as if it was a dichotomy; either "fan-service" or "pseudo-male", and nothing in between.

I don't believe in such a dichotomy (nor, I should note, do I particularly care for the art style of the Catachan army).

on the contrary, you made that distinction. I only said I don't care for the models that are as I describe and that I don't find these to be fanservice.

 Purifier wrote:
on the contrary, you made that distinction

I never used the term "pseudo-male" except in response to your post.

The hypothetical models I refer to would be something like, say... this:

Spoilered-- it's a large image at ~3000x4000.
It's one of the better things about Planetside, really. Blacklight: Retribution comes to mind as well.

Or even something like 2nd Lt. Mira from Space Marine, who was badass and feminine, without being fanservicey.

 Melissia wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
on the contrary, you made that distinction

I never used the term "pseudo-male" except in response to your post.

You did, however, make the distinction that there was (apparently in MY head!?) nothing in between. Which was what you were arguing here.
I NEVER SAID THAT. That was all you.

Those models (or the concept of it atleast) look fine, but a bit dull. I would like to build an army of those, but I'd want it to be 50/50 male/female, in the same type of armour. That way the difference would be more visible.
I want my females to stand out as such. I don't want them to be mistaken for my male models.

To get more back on topic, talking about Sisters of Battle...

While I know it's never going to happen, I'd actually kind of like to see the corset replaced with something like a more gothic version of the breastplate that Chris Lightfellow wears in Suikoden 3:


Imagining something like that, with a slightly more segmented abdominal section and a very ornate fleur de lys prominent on the chestplate itself, and the remainder of the power armor (shoulders, gauntlets, boots, helmet, etc) being like that of the current Sisters armor, makes me smile-- it'd give them the image of holy warriors of the Emperor, which is how I style my Sororitas units. I mean it's not like there couldn't be two kinds of power armor that Sororitas wear anyway, the galaxy is a huge place-- so you wouldn't have to get rid of the old models.

 Purifier wrote:
I want my females to stand out as such. I don't want them to be mistaken for my male models.

I don't see why they need to be showing cleavage/ bellybuttons or have their hips or bust thrust out in an awkward, silly pose for them to stand out as female.

 Melissia wrote:
I don't see why they need to be showing cleavage/ bellybuttons or have their hips or bust thrust out in an awkward, silly pose for them to stand out as female.

Neither do I. I don't know why you would assume I require that. I even just gave you an example of how to make it stand out in the sentence before the one you quoted.
Can't deny all of those ways do work for it though. You pick and choose what you want to read and then read something in between that, and then get aggrevated by what hasn't been said. you should not try so hard in searching for things to get insulted by. I don't believe it is a feeling you like any more than the rest of us.

 Purifier wrote:
Can't deny all of those ways do work for it though.

And placing a giant codpiece and having a massive berserker-beard on a model can arguably make it look more undeniably male, but that doesn't mean that we have to do it on every freaking model, like the industry currently does with female minis. Nor does it make it appropriate for the particular model in question. It would be stupid for guardswomen to have cleavage showing in their flak armor, for example, and yet even without this it would be remarkably easy to have them modeled as female soldiers instead of male.

Also, I'm reading your whole post. I just don't desire to have huge quote chains. Besides, it's not like you've been quoting my entire post either Let's not start nitpicking about the size of my quote boxes


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As an aside, I can tell my attempts at humor have gone unnoticed. I'm being a bit of an insomniac, so I apologize if what was intended to be light-hearted ended up being kind of stupid instead.

 Melissia wrote:
Let's not

I LOVE models with beards. The model below is one of my favourites (and my absolute favourite priest) used with the sisters.
And I wasn't nitpicking about the size of the quote, but the way you completely ignored what I said. The fact was that I had just said I would like to make the distinction by simply putting them next to males, and you ignored that to make it look like I had said I needed vaginas in the open to make them look female. (Hyperbole. That right there was hyperbole.)

I just don't think it has to always be a bad thing. Sure, you don't need your whole army in bikini armour (which clearly looks silly) but a sniper that clearly isn't wearing any armour, wearing a shirt that she feels comfortable in which just so happens to not cover much. I think people are going too far in their loathing of skin on females, or female stances. I can see where it's coming from. The generations of games with silly bikini armour, and oversexualised women have resulted in a lash-back. I think you can still do without that prejudice though.

Haha, oh god, that model is so bad. It's not as bad as the Sister Dialogous, but geeze

It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

Coming this christmas...

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

OH GOD-EMPRAH AND ALL OF CHAOS, what an abomination!

I have yet to find anyone that argues with the dialogus being the worst model GW has ever released. I'm thinking of getting one just because of that.

Why just one? Why not an army

GW should really make a finecast boxset of those. Limited edition, of course.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

Oh christ.

When I first saw the unsettling picture of the Dialogus on the GW site, I just thought that it was just a very badly painted example. But no, I've never seen one painted in a way that makes it look less disturbing. The model itself is just... wrong,

When I eventually buy one, I'm gonna replace the head. The head with the comm-bead in the Immolator kit would work nicely.

Would Samus Aran's aesthetic be fitting for the SOBs or would the definitive heroine of video gaming (Other M? THERE NEVER WAS AN OTHER M NONONONONONONONONONONBONONONONNONONOOONOOOOOOOO!!!) be more fitting for Gue'vesa scum?

 Kain wrote:
Would Samus Aran's aesthetic be fitting for the SOBs or would the definitive heroine of video gaming (Other M? THERE NEVER WAS AN OTHER M NONONONONONONONONONONBONONONONNONONOOONOOOOOOOO!!!) be more fitting for Gue'vesa scum?

I don't think it really fits with the SoB's very gothic aesthetic, personally.

Personally, I don't really have a problem with the current SoB armour. Though that one that Melissa suggested would suit them too.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

And, whatever you do, don't look at the symbol about her midriff. T'ain't canon any more. Nothing to see here.

That gob, though - you can't stop staring at it...

Mythal wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

And, whatever you do, don't look at the symbol about her midriff. T'ain't canon any more. Nothing to see here.

That gob, though - you can't stop staring at it...

It's like a black hole...

 Kain wrote:

Mythal wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Shandara wrote:
It's an old (deranged) man with a big chainsaw, I think it captures the image well enough.

It's a far cry from the horror from the deep that is the Sister Dialogus.

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IIIIT!
STARE INTO THE GAPING MAW OF MADNESS!

And, whatever you do, don't look at the symbol about her midriff. T'ain't canon any more. Nothing to see here.

That gob, though - you can't stop staring at it...

It's like a black hole...

...They must have done this on purpose:

Yes, we can tell what they were going for, but they still failed to get there.

Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, we can tell what they were going for, but they still failed to get there.

You can sort of imagine the mouth continuing to open until her jaw breaks, and her skull bursts inside-out between her teeth as she becomes a Daemonhost.

To keep this vaguely on topic, however, I think it's fair to say that those of us who still hold out a smidgen of hope for new Sisters models would be very, very happy if none of them looked like she does.


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 Kain wrote:
Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

Ask our Spiritual Liege, I guess

Mythal wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, we can tell what they were going for, but they still failed to get there.

You can sort of imagine the mouth continuing to open until her jaw breaks, and her skull bursts inside-out between her teeth as she becomes a Daemonhost.

To keep this vaguely on topic, however, I think it's fair to say that those of us who still hold out a smidgen of hope for new Sisters models would be very, very happy if none of them looked like she does.

50 bucks says GW feths up and gives them all endless maws of darkness.

 Kain wrote:
Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

Aren't they? Don't think the WD codex explicitly said that they aren't.

Don't really see the problem with Sisters being the Ordo Hereticus's chamber militant. All it seems to mean is that the Sisters are very useful to the Hereticus, and are often asked to help the Hereticus because of this.

Purifier wrote:I think people are going too far in their loathing of skin on females, or female stances. I can see where it's coming from. The generations of games with silly bikini armour, and oversexualised women have resulted in a lash-back. I think you can still do without that prejudice though.

I have to agree with this assessment. In my opinion, it is a mistake to judge a design purely on this basis, completely detached from what it is meant to portray or the setting it is supposed to exist in. In case of the Battle Sisters, I would recommend keeping in mind that they are not a professional military in the contemporary western world's sense. They are warriors whose lifestyle is governed by religious dogma and who exist in an environment that places style over functionality regardless of gender. You can't just come into a setting where you have Space Marines with huge back banners and impractically oversized chest armour march next to barechested Feral Worlder IG troops, and then complain about an army that has not just one but several in-universe reasons to flaunt their feminity do so by way of having sculpted breasts on their armour. If someone feels that strongly 40k should place more emphasis on the contemporary understanding of practicality rather than the ren-faire look that is so central to its unique art style, then the only thing I could recommend would be switching to an army with a more boring, contemporary look.

And this is before we even get into appreciation of continuity - the Sororitas' current look is quite simply how I first got to learn of and then love them, after all.

At the same time I have to agree with Melissia that the Raging Heroes models are obvious fanservice, which (worryingly) may be part of why they are that popular.

Context is key.

Purifier wrote:I have yet to find anyone that argues with the dialogus being the worst model GW has ever released. I'm thinking of getting one just because of that.

There are worse. Ooooohhh, there are worse.
Off the top of my head, I could mention the horrible, horrible Sororitas they did for the Inquisitor RPG which, in spite of being sculpted to a larger format, ends up looking less detailed and seriously malformed.

But there were others. I think we even had a thread about the ugliest GW Mini ever, about a year back. Might be worth a look if you like to stare at bad things.

Kain wrote:Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

In GW fluff, nothing has changed. They have always been allies - nothing more, nothing less. Neither are they an integral part of the Inquisition (such as the Grey Knights and the Deathwatch, for example), nor are they as "disconnected" as some random IG Regiment. For the Sisters, helping the Inquisition is like a part-time job. Normally, they focus on Ecclesiarchal activities, but they (in particular the Orders Minoris, who are locally limited in scope and operational capabilities, but seeded throughout Imperial space) are the go-to force whenever an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus needs some serious backup.

The only thing that changed was the focus that GW's writers employed when writing their fluff. In 3rd Edition, the alliance with the Ordo Hereticus was added as if it had always been there, but pushed into the foreground (which caused some fans to erroneously believe they belong firmly to the Inquisition), whilst with the advent of 5th Edition, this has become a footnote and the Sisters are once again presented as the Ecclesiarch's standing army.

 Troike wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

Aren't they? Don't think the WD codex explicitly said that they aren't.

Don't really see the problem with Sisters being the Ordo Hereticus's chamber militant. All it seems to mean is that the Sisters are very useful to the Hereticus, and are often asked to help the Hereticus because of this.

So this picture is still valid after all?



Huzzah!

1d4chan is basically the worst place ever to get lore on anything 40k related.

 Lynata wrote:
In GW fluff, nothing has changed. They have always been allies - nothing more, nothing less. Neither are they an integral part of the Inquisition (such as the Grey Knights and the Deathwatch, for example), nor are they as "disconnected" as some random IG Regiment. For the Sisters, helping the Inquisition is like a part-time job. Normally, they focus on Ecclesiarchal activities, but they (in particular the Orders Minoris, who are locally limited in scope and operational capabilities, but seeded throughout Imperial space) are the go-to force whenever an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus needs some serious backup.

Indeed - my point was more that as she can no longer form part of an Inquisitorial Retinue, it raises questions over whether or not she should be wearing a symbol of the Inquisition at all.

 Melissia wrote:
1d4chan is basically the worst place ever to get lore on anything 40k related.

I just like that picture a lot.

Kain wrote:So this picture is still valid after all?

It'd fit more to an Inquisitorial retinue (for which this miniature was designed, back in 3E) rather than a Sororitas Command Squad.
But the miniature itself is not "wrong". It would just be better (=make more sense) if it would be fielded together with an Inquisitor.

That being said, it could probably be justified with some mumbo-jumbo about how this character's Order keeps a close relation to the Ordo Hereticus - something about the focus of its activities.

[edit] see Mythal's post
I certainly agree it would be better if that symbol would be swapped, though it's not a major mistake. Just an "oddity".

To be honest, I get the feeling they've been squatted.

 marv335 wrote:
To be honest, I get the feeling they've been squatted.

After the epic amounts of loss of face following the whole squats debacle I doubt GW wants to repeat that fiasco ever again.

I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

Ah. Got to it by pasting the link into the bar. Can see it now.

 Troike wrote:
I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

No. It's the one where a GK, a DW and SoB member do that pose from the powderpuff girls.

Oh, I thought that was about the Dialogous miniature.

I rather like /tg/ and 1d4chan, but unfortunately one should not go there for information, just for laughs. And even then a lot of the jokes are horribly sexist.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Troike wrote:
I can't see the picture, for some reason.

But let me guess, is it that one where the Inquisitor orders lots of Sisters to go fight Slaaneshi forces, and they just end up being molested? :-/

No. It's the one where a GK, a DW and SoB member do that pose from the powderpuff girls.

SoB=Bubbles, GK=Blossom, DW=Buttercup.

 Lynata wrote:


[...]

At the same time I have to agree with Melissia that the Raging Heroes models are obvious fanservice, which (worryingly) may be part of why they are that popular.

Context is key.

[...]

I honestly don't think it's a "may" fan-service sells.

I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.

Once the stock of metal minis is gone, GW will be forced to decide what to do with them.

Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

 Purifier wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

LOOK! LOOK AND DESPAIR!

 Kain wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Which then may lead to the only completely finecast army.

Why do you do this to me?


... I think I'm gonna be sick.

LOOK! LOOK AND DESPAIR!

:( Yeah, I bought a filthcast before I wisened up too.

Nothing says 'Let's go kill some heretical xenos!' like a tattered tanktop and a gun belt for panties.

 Purifier wrote:

:( Yeah, I bought a filthcast before I wisened up too.

Eh, they seem to have fixed many of the issues. I have not seen any faulty finecast figures for quite some time.

I'd prefer finecast Sisters over metal ones, at least then they'd be easier to convert. Though I'm not getting a full army unless they go plastic.

Matter of preferences, I guess. Convertability is undoubtedly a huge advantage - but on the other hand, I doubt they'd really become much cheaper, and most of all I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something, compared to those flimsy 1-milligram-minis that get blown over as soon as someone sneezes.

(and whose parts supposedly bend real, real easy)

Purifier wrote:

I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

Actually, there are only two reasons the Catachans aren't labelled as fanservicey. One: Most of the people doing the labelling are men. Two: The Catachan models are bad, while that Raging Heroes sniper is actually attractive and fanservicy. Then again, maybe we should blame the culture that's made a virtue of looking ragged and worn out?

Kain wrote:Well if the Sisters are no longer connected to the inquisition, who's the chamber militant of the Ordo hereticus now?

In reference to the entire conversation this single comment sparked off, I'd just like to say that I REALLY wish the Ecclesiarchy symbol and the Inquisition symbol were a little better differentiated.

The Inquisition symbol is a capital letter i with a skull in the middle and three bars through it. The Ecclesiarchy symbol is... a capitol letter i with a sunburst in the middle with three rays coming off each side of it. ><

I bet ten to one that the whole reason the Ordo Hereticus thing was dreamed up in the studio was because the Chaplet Ecclesiasticus looks kind of like an Inquisition icon when rendered in 28mm scale.

 Lynata wrote:
I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something.

That is certainly true, and your case of minis for the evening game also weighs a bit compared to having plain plastic in it. St Celestine, 70 SoB, four Rhinos/Immolators and two Exorcists - that's something to hit people over the head with. ;-)

Spetulhu wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something.

That is certainly true, and your case of minis for the evening game also weighs a bit compared to having plain plastic in it. St Celestine, 70 SoB, four Rhinos/Immolators and two Exorcists - that's something to hit people over the head with. ;-)

It's a bit weighty. Try transporting an Apocalypse sized Sisters' army. 5 Exorcists, 200 sisters with various guns, 20 seraphim, St Celestine, a Canoness, various priests, 3 Pentinent Engines, 12 rhino/Immolators, 2 aegis defense lines, a bastion, acustom Stormlord, and 2 Repressors plus your 'supplementary' Imperial guard with a bunch of infantry, and a dozen tanks of various manufacture. In addition to the extra arms needed I get a bit of workout transporting it all.

I've recently purchased a handful of ICs from Finecast and didn't have a problem with any of them, in terms of their production values. Putting them together and such (which was my fault) is an entirely different story.

Furyou Miko wrote:

Purifier wrote:I really disagree with the fan-service-y comments I hear a lot. I think the sniper would be the closest to it (as depicted below) but I don't think a girl that happens to have a feminine stance and a good 'bod is fanservicey. "Oh but she only has a tattered shirt on!" is also silly. We don't call the catachan embodiments of manlyness fanservicey.

I think she looks dangerous in a feminine way. I absolutely love it. I hate it when they feel the need to make the women look pseudo-male to make them look badass.

Spoiler:

Actually, there are only two reasons the Catachans aren't labelled as fanservicey. One: Most of the people doing the labelling are men. Two: The Catachan models are bad, while that Raging Heroes sniper is actually attractive and fanservicy. Then again, maybe we should blame the culture that's made a virtue of looking ragged and worn out?

To me at least, "bad" almost sounds a bit unfair to me. I think I've always regarded Catachans as "B-Movie Style".

But let's compare the RH mini to the female Catachan mini:


The Catachan's shirt isn't a tattered rag but actually looks like something issued to soldiers, and the pants, which do not expose half her hip and crotch, also don't look as if they'd fall down the legs any moment. Ultimately, she fits in with the rest of her squad, as the males employ an identical style. Physically, she also looks as if she actually had some exercise and experience rather than being a long-maned model for a photoshoot.

I'm not exactly "hating" on sexualised miniatures, mind you - I just think that the depiction should be "justified" by the respective culture the mini represents, and not simply be "thrown out into the public" as rather obvious eyecandy for the gamer/collector. For example, I might be able to better envision that RH girl as a Necromunda Escher ganger. But to accept her as a viable IG choice, I think I would need to see some male squaddies who are similarly (under)dressed. Such regiments do actually exist in GW fluff, but as RH is specifically only selling girl minis, the intent appears clear to me.
I will admit that some of the minis in that kickstarter look suitable enough to fit in with certain types of armies, and this "Nepharya" would make an amazing Tech-Priest(ess), though.

Furyou Miko wrote:In reference to the entire conversation this single comment sparked off, I'd just like to say that I REALLY wish the Ecclesiarchy symbol and the Inquisition symbol were a little better differentiated.
The Inquisition symbol is a capital letter i with a skull in the middle and three bars through it. The Ecclesiarchy symbol is... a capitol letter i with a sunburst in the middle with three rays coming off each side of it.

I don't think the Inquisition symbol has a skull - or at least that the skull might only be optional (badge of rank? personal style? special affiliation?). Most often, I only see it as just the Imperial "I" with three bars. [example mini]
The Ecclesiarchy symbol, on the other hand, I think I've always seen with a skull, as the skull stands for the Emperor's sacrifice or something like that.

 Lynata wrote:
I don't think the Inquisition symbol has a skull - or at least that the skull might only be optional (badge of rank? personal style? special affiliation?). Most often, I only see it as just the Imperial "I" with three bars. [example mini]
The Ecclesiarchy symbol, on the other hand, I think I've always seen with a skull, as the skull stands for the Emperor's sacrifice or something like that.

That's a very good point, actually. At the same time, the Sister Dialogous model is most certainly porting the Inquisition's symbol - three horizontal bars, skull or no - and not the symbol of the Ecclesiarchy.

On a tangent about the Sister Dialogous model...anyone have a picture of one with a better paint job? The model is a bit quirky but it doesn't look that bad to me. Maybe if it wasn't painted with joke glasses and a yawning black hole for a mouth it would look ok? Just guessing.

 amanita wrote:
On a tangent about the Sister Dialogous model...anyone have a picture of one with a better paint job? The model is a bit quirky but it doesn't look that bad to me. Maybe if it wasn't painted with joke glasses and a yawning black hole for a mouth it would look ok? Just guessing.

The glasses and mouth are the model, bud.

Seriously. Google "sister Dialogus" and go to images. They're all like it, regardless of paintjob.

After that, the question still stands. Anyone see one with a good paint job?

Nope.

 amanita wrote:
After that, the question still stands. Anyone see one with a good paint job?

There are some models that no paint job can redeem.

All of the Adepta symbols are an I with some sort of symbol on them.

The Ecclesiarchy is a skull with 10 rays, like a sun, arranged around it, 5 to a side.


The Inquisition is 3 horizontal bars. Skull is optional.


The Adeptus Arbites is an I with a hand holding the scales of justice.


The Adeptus Astronomica is an I with a skull and a sun-burst-like pattern radiating from it.


... and so on and so forth.

Though, in the argument of that particular model, perhaps she was attached to an Inquisitor's retinue (perfectly fitting for her skills and talents) and was granted a Rosette to get access to places she might otherwise not?

Psienesis wrote:Though, in the argument of that particular model, perhaps she was attached to an Inquisitor's retinue (perfectly fitting for her skills and talents) and was granted a Rosette to get access to places she might otherwise not?

Well, the mini was created for 3E - and the only way to field her at all was ... as part of an Inquisitor's retinue.

That she has now switched teams and is part of the Sororitas Command Squad is a bit "unfortunate" in regards to this detail, but creative minds should be able to find some in-character excusereason to justify it. Skilled hands may instead reach for a file and attempt conversion.
If they ever re-design her (ha ha), I would agree that it'd be good to change this insignia.

Mine I did a head swap on, I think it looks better. there is a lot of metal to cut and grind for such a tiny head. I can post pics later, its not painted yet, just primed white

I liked the idea of using the head from the immolator pack, and i'd love to see your head swap. But at some level I'd want to keep it because of how terrible it is. I've seen the thread of worst models, and i still hold that this one is it.

andrewm9 wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
I would miss the amazing weight. Holding a metal SoB between your fingers actually makes you feel something.

That is certainly true, and your case of minis for the evening game also weighs a bit compared to having plain plastic in it. St Celestine, 70 SoB, four Rhinos/Immolators and two Exorcists - that's something to hit people over the head with. ;-)

It's a bit weighty. Try transporting an Apocalypse sized Sisters' army. 5 Exorcists, 200 sisters with various guns, 20 seraphim, St Celestine, a Canoness, various priests, 3 Pentinent Engines, 12 rhino/Immolators, 2 aegis defense lines, a bastion, acustom Stormlord, and 2 Repressors plus your 'supplementary' Imperial guard with a bunch of infantry, and a dozen tanks of various manufacture. In addition to the extra arms needed I get a bit of workout transporting it all.

I agree with it feeling good to move metals around (and the exercise I'm sure most of us need) but metal models where the weapon isn't perfectly alligned with its center of mass have a way of toppling over constantly, and in a unit of metals it'll manage to tangle itself with another weapon and in a unit of plastics it manages to pull down every other model in the unit, no matter how much you space them out.

What's worse is that they repeat that model's image in a lot of Dialogus artwork, too. It's fething terrible.

Not even close to done, but its amazing(to me) what a improvement it is for a small swap. well here is mine

What's a Khorne Mower?

Is it related to the Slaanesh Thresher? I thought the Slaanesh Thresher harvested Khorne?

Hahahahaha. Thank you so much. This made my night. Laughing out loud to myself.