So the bigger terminators are among the rumors circulating about the upcoming C:SM book. I haven't personally seen many rumors about what it could be so I figured I'd throw this out there.
via BoLS -
Regarding the "larger terminators" - these models are described as being similar in aesthetic to the curving shapes of both the Contemptor and Tau Stealth suits. Bigger than current Terminators - but smaller than a Dreadnought.
That sounds a lot like the Furibundus Dreadnought from Epic:
Panic wrote: yeah,
That model can't be anything to do with the rumour.. It's about the same size as regular dreads..
ArbitorIan has them in his whitescars army.
Spoiler:
Panic...
Well, I was basing my theory off of pictures like these:
From what I can tell in the second picture, that's a Deredeo Dread which is just a tiny bit shorter than a Mk.V Dread, but in the first picture the Dread on the right is the Furibundus which is shorter than the Deredeo on the left.
Plus lately GW been digging up old models and redoing them.
I love the current terminator models. I think there are plenty other space marine models that could be updated. Plus why would they change the standard for terminator models when they just redid all the deathwing models for the DA to the current size.
The original dreadnought models had two sets of legs that could be packed with them either long legs or short legs. The weapon kit out determined the type of dread involved, not the legs, because a as long as it had the right weapons a deredeo or a furibundus dread could have long or short legs depending on the preference of the player for the model. All those pictures of old style dreads next to new dreads show is that people still use both. I still have one of the original chaos dreads in my slaaneshi chaos marine army, with a twin 1/35 scale .50 machine gun as its weapons instead of the old tiny plasma cannon. Still looks fine next to the troops. I even use an original blood slaughterer robot as a melee kitted dread for my khorne army as well. It is a little small, but I make sure my opponents don't mind before I use it. If they do instead I use my FW world eaters dread instead.
This is just an old rumour reiterated. IIRC it originated with Hastings, but the Space Marine Codex rumour thread is buried in "40k General Discussion".
Andilus Greatsword wrote: I hope this isn't true, Space Marines don't need "bigger Terminators"... how would you even justify them? Basically Space Marine Paladins?
There have been rumors floating around forever about "Truescale Marine kits".
Most likely this is a rehash of the "Marines are getting piloted Contemptors" rumor which was mentioned by a Forge World sculptor and nothing has come of it yet.
My money says that we will get normal terminators with some spikey bits to make them look like the followers of chaos. My advice to people would be not to get your hopes up.
Its hard to see any other new modelsfor the vanilla marines than bigger termies. Perhaps some Jet pack termies with more Tau crisis suit inspiration.
With so many separate chapters its hard to make some new shiny PA guys for vanilla. Just look at the new apoc released captains -pretty nice, but noting special really, a curiosity at best.
GW want the new and shiny, as we all know.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: My money says that we will get normal terminators with some spikey bits to make them look like the followers of chaos. My advice to people would be not to get your hopes up.
I'm thinking you misread the title of this thread!
You know, adding new stuff to the Marines could be awesome, but does anyone honestly think it will be? I suspect we're in for another round of Toys'R'Us fodder that adds models for the sake of having NU STUFFZ to sell, rather than any attempt to actually expand the army within the theme.
I really wish the main design studio would go back to just copying FW's stuff in plastic, at least that way the main studio is putting out quality models, and the innovation can be left to FW, who have at least a modicum of respect and enthusiasm for the IP.
THE_DUDE wrote: I love the current terminator models. I think there are plenty other space marine models that could be updated. Plus why would they change the standard for terminator models when they just redid all the deathwing models for the DA to the current size.
they would retain the standard terminators but then these would be an additional choice, kind of super terminators. Probably 2 wounds, sort of a cross between a mutilator and oblitorator with constant weapons and guns but more than a regular terminator.
Try to imagine the guy in the armor...physically..., be it his shoulders and head or is legs, it would lookd like a Quasimodo clone...
And regular Marines are in the same boat...
The only "decent" termies i've ever seen are GK termies, because the Head is actually above the freakin shoulders..., but they still have chicken legs...
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah, why dont we have flyer terminators. IT cant be that hard to strap a jump pack to them.
Of course it isn't. That was fairly staple in Rogue Trader/1st edition.
So was polymorphined models in Terminator armour in 2nd edition. That grot? He's really an inquisitor in Terminator armour. With a virus grenade. Deal with it.
I cannot find the thread of the recent GW convention report there were some pictures that had some things that were between the size of a terminator and a dreadnaught.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I cannot find the thread of the recent GW convention report there were some pictures that had some things that were between the size of a terminator and a dreadnaught.
There have been no pictures of any such thing so far. You might be thinking of the upcoming robots from Forgeworld.
Agreed, but the Wraithknight/Riptide were the final straw for me. The scale is this game is just wacky.
What alternative does GW have? Invent new bland variants of basic troops? Invent countless more random infantry types that were never in fluff? The "larger size" area of 40k is unexplored and has room for a large variety of new interesting units, and sales show that this is in fact what people want to buy.
Should be interesting how they plan to shoe horn this in the Index Astartes.
Sounds like an excuse to give marines access to MCs in standard lists (not just meph), which is bs. Remember when each army had a character trait that it was known for? Like Eldar being all about speed? Well F you, marines get everything.
The concept of "Marine tax" started as a joke and now has become some twisted reality.
What stuff are they missing? When I made my post I was talking about aesthetics, not tabletop viability - I guess I forgot they can take a lot of special weapons, right?
Ouze wrote: What stuff are they missing? When I made my post I was talking about aesthetics, not tabletop viability - I guess I forgot they can take a lot of special weapons, right?
He didn't say it's missing stuff, he said it's hard getting a uniform loadout for the squad. The options are there, but generally only once for the whole squad. When you want 5 combi meltas and only get 1, it doesn't stretch very far.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Yeah, why dont we have flyer terminators.
IT cant be that hard to strap a jump pack to them.
Of course it isn't. That was fairly staple in Rogue Trader/1st edition.
So was polymorphined models in Terminator armour in 2nd edition. That grot? He's really an inquisitor in Terminator armour. With a virus grenade. Deal with it.
So far as redoing Chaos Terminators, why would they possibly do that? They're one of the best models Chaos has and they're already in plastic.
A couple people have made this mistake. There's a colon between the C and the SM in the title of the thread, indicating that it's Codex: Space Marines and not Chaos. Either way, there's nothing for this rumor to stand on so I don't see anything coming of it.
livanbard wrote: I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?
See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.
There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.
Yodhrin wrote: There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.
Nonsense. Give it a few years and every legal model will come on an big oval base. Even general infantry squads.
Yodhrin wrote: There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.
Nonsense. Give it a few years and every legal model will come on an big oval base. Even general infantry squads.
Gotta shift those remaining Artemis models somehow. He's "TRUscale" you see.
Move over tactical dred armour its time for Tactical Titan Armour!
screw oblitorators, C:SM are getting Mega Termies packing a gun on each arm and a shoulder and they can fire them all! mwahahaha
livanbard wrote: I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?
See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.
There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.
Your idea for a new unit...is servitors? Sorry but I'd take turbo terminators over a pseudo admech unit any day of the week.
livanbard wrote: I don't mid a SM <inserte>knight model or even big cybots or servitors. But bigger termies?
See? There you go; Forge Guardians, a special type of heavy combat servitor employed by Space Marine Chapters to guard their production facilities and technological relics, who are sometimes taken onto the battlefield by the Master of the Forge. New unit, within the theme but explores a new area of it, not a rehash of an existing unit. Would also provide conversion fodder for people doing AdMech armies, and new models for people playing Grey Knights who want combat servitors, same for IG players, so has broad appeal.
There are loads of possibilities to expand existing armies without just resorting to "MOAR BIG MODELZ!" or "THAT WUN BUT BIGGAH!", but either the design studio have run out of creativity, or the higher-ups are stifling it in order to normalise all the armies.
Your idea for a new unit...is servitors? Sorry but I'd take turbo terminators over a pseudo admech unit any day of the week.
Lets be honest here Bryll, you'd buy the new Space Marine Land Turd, a flying coil of dog turd, if it were a plastic kit put out by GW.
Part of me wants to say we don't need a stepping stone between Terminators and Dreadnoughts. We've already got two types of terminator and three types of dread in C:SM.
But who am I kidding? If we got uber-terminators,I porbably would buy a kit like that. I'm just not sure what actual role they could play that isn't already covered by something else in the book.
The only thing I wouldn't like to see is a flyer-base MC. I just can't see how that would fit the army at all.
I saw that many people were talking about new, larger miniatures for Terminators.
However, said like that it would seem that they are adding a whole new unit, like a sort of Super Terminator, instead of replacing the current Terminator model. Am I missing something?
"Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."
Shouldn't regular terminators already be 'super' enough? The rules really just need to be altered to make 2+ armour more durable, and so that small arms fire isn't as marginalized as it is becoming.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."
Yeah...
That was awesome but sillyness aside you know its going to be spot on lol...
Deep within mechanicus forge worlds lay secret values filled with ancient relics of wars long past sitting in solitude, some forgotten, some steeped in mystery, others locked away considered heretical, too extreme for most chapters to bring to bear against the enemy in fear they may fall into the wrong hands. Alongside these treasures sit stasis vaults with intricate time vortex locks than can only be opened by a psychic link far stronger than has been known for millennia. In times of need such vaults have opened as if guided by a higher power revealing huge stocks of potent weaponry, powerful conversion beamers, huge stocks of plasma weapons and devastating special issue bolter munitions, now as ever conflicts are being fought that shape the very balance of the galaxy, and one such vault has just opened to help swing the war in the favour of mankind once more, this vault contains ancient patterns of armour left by the emperor himself to help us reclaim the stars. Echelon Termanius-maximus Titanicus armour, its uber emperor class powers will give your marines the war boner they need to kick serious {insert xeno genitals here}.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Recovered from the long lost Forge World of Equinius Mortis, Feribundus-Pattern Tactical Doomknight Armour has been in service with most Marine Chapters for millennia. Really. It's always been just off to the side of any recorded picts until now, for some reason, but it's totally always been there. The Adeptus Terra aren't just adding it in now. Honest."
Yeah...
Seems legit, I trust our benevolent overlords in Terra
via a Reader on Faeit 212 wrote:
I was talking to my LGS owner yesterday and we got on the subject of rumors, he said space marines are next as his rep comes to him monthly and says “Do you want to buy X item” the owner says he does, and his rep replies “Sorry but you can’t its being re-done” This happens mostly with Battleforces, and it was the Space Marine Battleforce this time around.
Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.
Brother SRM wrote: Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.
Or they're about to give us a new Tactical Squad box - 5 Marines for the price of 10! Yeah!
Brother SRM wrote: Well, at least that's a thing that regularly happens and not some new rumor of a unit that comes off as completely redundant. For all we know they're just switching to new box art for the Battleforce to bring it in line with the Eldar and their new packaging aesthetic though.
Or they're about to give us a new Tactical Squad box - 5 Marines for the price of 10! Yeah!
Ssshh! They'll hear you! And personally I'm still smarting from that slap across the face with IG.
Ravenous D wrote: Should be interesting how they plan to shoe horn this in the Index Astartes.
Sounds like an excuse to give marines access to MCs in standard lists (not just meph), which is bs. Remember when each army had a character trait that it was known for? Like Eldar being all about speed? Well F you, marines get everything.
The concept of "Marine tax" started as a joke and now has become some twisted reality.
If only there were some sort of faction that was supposed to represent a Jack-of-all-trades, a Swiss Army Knife, a versatile, adaptible army that can fight in whatever way is required, but never be the best at what they do...
If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
I can categorically state that no kit will be redone at the time of the codex release, the kits released alongside it will be for any new units they include.
Any new box for an existing unit will either not be released, or will be released further down the road once the books are finished.
@Pretre you can rumourmonger me for that if you like, source: my head.
This is the first, and possibly largest and furthest reaching consequence of the CHS case, no new unit without new models.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
You must be new to 40k to think that GWwouldn't release new units with the codex. Seriously, there isn't and won't be a new codex that doesn't get new toys. If they didn't then GW couldn't properly monetize the army when dealing with veteran players who already have everything else in the book.
d-usa wrote: People have been asking for a Knight Titan for quite a while, it would be silly of GW not to make the an imperial large oval base model.
Imperial, sure, but it wouldn't make any sense fluff-wise for Knight Titans to be serving in a Space Marine army, they're two totally separate groups.
Balance wise I wouldn't want the IG to have it though. They already have a thick volume of armored toys and don't need a big stompy robot in there too.
Strictly speaking, a Knight should be part of an AdMech army - I could see an argument for releasing it as an Apoc ally for IG and all (Imperial) flavours of SM, though.
ClockworkZion wrote: You must be new to 40k to think that GWwouldn't release new units with the codex. Seriously, there isn't and won't be a new codex that doesn't get new toys. If they didn't then GW couldn't properly monetize the army when dealing with veteran players who already have everything else in the book.
On the other hand, they must stop at some point, since bloating the armies past all recognition is not feasible either. Where will it end. The Guard already has a dozen different Heavy Support options. What about when they have 20? Are there even niches left for new Marine units?
There's going to be something on a large oval base because that's the formula for writing a codex now. It wouldn't surprise be if they introduced the dreadknight to regular space marines.
ClockworkZion wrote: You must be new to 40k to think that GWwouldn't release new units with the codex. Seriously, there isn't and won't be a new codex that doesn't get new toys. If they didn't then GW couldn't properly monetize the army when dealing with veteran players who already have everything else in the book.
On the other hand, they must stop at some point, since bloating the armies past all recognition is not feasible either. Where will it end. The Guard already has a dozen different Heavy Support options. What about when they have 20? Are there even niches left for new Marine units?
Who knows when it'll stop. Mostly likely not in this edition though.
Nafka has new C:SM rumors posted that clarify the new "uber-terminator" models. Allegedly, they are going to be more like baby-dreadknights than uber-terminators, as they are suits that fit over standard power armour.
I personally don't mind the introduction of new units, it keeps things interesting and allows us old timers the chance to try something new without buying an entirely new army. Sternguard weren't always a thing, and yet they are easily my favorite unit in the army now.
ClassicCarraway wrote: Nafka has new C:SM rumors posted that clarify the new "uber-terminator" models. Allegedly, they are going to be more like baby-dreadknights than uber-terminators, as they are suits that fit over standard power armour.
I personally don't mind the introduction of new units, it keeps things interesting and allows us old timers the chance to try something new without buying an entirely new army. Sternguard weren't always a thing, and yet they are easily my favorite unit in the army now.
ClassicCarraway wrote: Nafka has new C:SM rumors posted that clarify the new "uber-terminator" models. Allegedly, they are going to be more like baby-dreadknights than uber-terminators, as they are suits that fit over standard power armour.
I personally don't mind the introduction of new units, it keeps things interesting and allows us old timers the chance to try something new without buying an entirely new army. Sternguard weren't always a thing, and yet they are easily my favorite unit in the army now.
So a space marine in another space marine....
Saw that Youtube link coming a mile off as soon as I read that post.
Well, I think we can officially say GW has gone beyond a parody of itself with their Spacemarineceptionators.
ClockworkZion wrote: You must be new to 40k to think that GWwouldn't release new units with the codex. Seriously, there isn't and won't be a new codex that doesn't get new toys. If they didn't then GW couldn't properly monetize the army when dealing with veteran players who already have everything else in the book.
On the other hand, they must stop at some point, since bloating the armies past all recognition is not feasible either. Where will it end. The Guard already has a dozen different Heavy Support options. What about when they have 20? Are there even niches left for new Marine units?
There's no cap. They're already doing the same thing in fantasy. Bloating every army with new units and not updating the (in some cases ancient) old models.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
This.I would love them to release that.
No way I would want them to get a junior dreadknight.And I do not see them getting an oval base MC or yet another flyer,what with them having 2 anyway.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
This.I would love them to release that.
Disagree.
Vanguard/Sternguard are so stupidly easy to kitbash that a plastic kit is wholly unnecessary except for simply making a new plastic kit with some new options to get people buying.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
This.I would love them to release that.
Disagree.
Vanguard/Sternguard are so stupidly easy to kitbash that a plastic kit is wholly unnecessary except for simply making a new plastic kit with some new options to get people buying.
So having dedicated kits is sub-optimal to needing to hit up bits sites or scrounging from other kits to achieve the same thing? Yeah, I'd rather have the dedicated kits. Besides, they might make good boxes to raid for Sergeant bits.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
This.I would love them to release that.
Disagree.
Vanguard/Sternguard are so stupidly easy to kitbash that a plastic kit is wholly unnecessary except for simply making a new plastic kit with some new options to get people buying.
So having dedicated kits is sub-optimal to needing to hit up bits sites or scrounging from other kits to achieve the same thing? Yeah, I'd rather have the dedicated kits. Besides, they might make good boxes to raid for Sergeant bits.
Having a dedicated kit is suboptimal to getting something redone which actually needs to be redone; like the Scout kits or the standard PA Marines.
Of course by releasing an 'official' Sternguard/Vanguard kit you'll see people throwing money at GW like it is going out of style; unless the pricing is so exorbitantly bad that it keeps them away.
Like the Shadow Warrior/Maiden of Avelorn kit for the High Elves to give an example.
Honestly, as I mentioned in the SM thread, $50 for 5 would be doable if they also came with 5 of each combi-weapon, all loadouts for the sergeant (PF, PW, LC, etc). And if it was a dual kit, that would be even better. But likely it'll be or of each C-W, the hand weapons, and still charge $50...which would e bad.
timetowaste85 wrote: Honestly, as I mentioned in the SM thread, $50 for 5 would be doable if they also came with 5 of each combi-weapon, all loadouts for the sergeant (PF, PW, LC, etc). And if it was a dual kit, that would be even better. But likely it'll be or of each C-W, the hand weapons, and still charge $50...which would e bad.
That's assuming that Vanguard/Sternguard are retaining the same options...which admittedly is no different than my stance of 'Easy to convert'.
SickSix wrote: If they don't come out with a plastic Stern/Vanguard combo box a la Death Company, and instead release some stupid 'tactical dreadknight armor' box I am going to be very upset. Seriously, C:SM doesn't need any new units. It needs a cost balance and some updated rules and less finecast units!
This.I would love them to release that.
Disagree.
Vanguard/Sternguard are so stupidly easy to kitbash that a plastic kit is wholly unnecessary except for simply making a new plastic kit with some new options to get people buying.
So having dedicated kits is sub-optimal to needing to hit up bits sites or scrounging from other kits to achieve the same thing? Yeah, I'd rather have the dedicated kits. Besides, they might make good boxes to raid for Sergeant bits.
Having a dedicated kit is suboptimal to getting something redone which actually needs to be redone; like the Scout kits or the standard PA Marines.
Of course by releasing an 'official' Sternguard/Vanguard kit you'll see people throwing money at GW like it is going out of style; unless the pricing is so exorbitantly bad that it keeps them away.
Like the Shadow Warrior/Maiden of Avelorn kit for the High Elves to give an example.
Honestly I'd dig the new kits as long as they handle the weapon options decently. Right now those units are in Finecast, and as much as I like the look of them, it adds a layer of fragility I'd like to avoid dealing with.
I even use an original blood slaughterer robot as a melee kitted dread for my khorne army as well. It is a little small, but I make sure my opponents don't mind before I use it. If they do instead I use my 
