Announcing the 2013 DaBoyz GT!

We are back for the 8th year in a row! We have an exciting new venue this year, the Bristol Harbor Resort in Canandaigua, NY. The majority of meals are included with your registration, and there is also a bar and restaurant on site!

DaBoyz has always held a belief in promoting Tournament Composition. Our group has reflected on this topic and we feel this continues to be part of the identity of the DaBoyz GT. We understand people have a lot of strong feelings about composition one-way or other. If you’ve never played with composition or in one of our events, we suggest giving it a try, because you just might enjoy it. The composition for both event’s is on our website.
We are also having Team tournament for both 40k and Fantasy on Friday the 22nd. The format for both events is Doubles this year. We are also going to be having events for Flames of War and X-Wing on Friday as well.
Just as in past GTs, we will have great times and of course awesome trophies! Plus, our end of the event raffle is loaded with lots of prizes!
We have some exciting new vendors that have joined us this year, which we encourage people to check out.
As always if you have any questions please feel free to contact us at daboyzrocgt@gmail.com , our forums, or Facebook.
Here is the basic info:
DaBoyz GT November 22nd – 24th 2013.

DaBoyz GT is featuring a two-day, 120-player Warhammer 40,000 Grand Tournament and a two day 60-player Warhammer Fantasy Independent Tournament, both of which will be held on Saturday the 23rd and Sunday the 24thth.

Bring your best 40k, Warhammer Fantasy, game to compete at the DaBoyz independent Grand Tournament. You will find awesome terrain, prizes, and opponents!

Mark your calendars and start making your travel plans, because on November 22nd -24th, the DaBoyz GT will return to the Rochester, New York area.

So check out our website at: www.DaBoyzGT.com
Or, like us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Da-Boyz-Gt/106293642839491

Jay, looking forward to the new venue!

See you soon.
Paul

Tickets are going fast, but there are still some available all events.

One of the best events out there and it is one you shouldn't miss if you can help it!

Jay , Shaun and Chris work there butts off to make it great. Wish I was going to go myself but will be in Arizona for work :(

Wish you guys the best of luck!


P.S. Need a Hobin rematch!

Well, if Darkwynn endorses it then it is definitely good. Time to start looking for other people from Texas willing to make a trip with me.

In case you haven't checked out this event, here's some pictures to consider.

DaBoyz booked an entire resort for this event! Like, the whole thing. It's a rustic resort overlooking Canandaigua Lake (one of the finger lakes in NY).



Here's one of the halls that will be converted to gaming. Tons of natural light and antler chandeliers!



The gaming halls have a scenic view of the lake. This area is also part of the finger lakes wine region and several wineries are within driving distance.



In addition to nicely furnished rustic rooms with fireplaces, cabins are available to rent for larger groups. Several of the local guys have rented one and split the cost many ways.



The gaming atmosphere will truly be unique and if you stay at the resort, you can quickly retire to really comfortable rooms at the end of the day or between games. Bars will also be serving alcohol. Since they booked the entire resort, room rates are really reasonable at ~$100/night after taxes and charges. The resort also has spa services.

I was talking to my wife about the event and she was so impressed, she decided to come along and be my roommate =)

Here are some terrain pics from previous years and some new pieces that have been made for this year. DaBoyz GT prides itself on unique and thematic terrain which is one of the big selling points for the event.















... Anyways, you get the idea.

Hope to see y'all there. Myself and 2 other blog authors will be playing in the 40k GT, with one author playing in the Fantasy GT. We're all doing weekly updates on our blog which you can follow here if you're interested:

http://synaps3.blogspot.com/

Hey guys, please do not forget that with registration is a complimentary lunch on Saturday and Sunday. And Sunday's breakfast is complimentary as well.

Here are the finer details:

•Lunch Saturday: Red & white hot dogs, char-grilled burgers, bulky rolls, assorted condiments & cheeses, red bliss potato salad, potato chips, iced tea & lemonade
•Breakfast Sunday: Fluffy scrambled eggs, home fried potatoes, crispy bacon, buttermilk biscuits, coffee & juices
•Lunch Sunday: Assorted deli meats & cheeses, breads & rolls, condiments, potato chips, whole fruit, cole slaw, iced tea & lemonade

There is also a cash bar right in the hall available from 11am until at least midnight each day.

Very neat-looking event. Pity it's so far away. :(

 Janthkin wrote:
Very neat-looking event. Pity it's so far away. :(

I hear that.

Not sure what I think of that comp system... 0-2 Warbikers in my Wazdakka biker mob? Ehhh...

Wazdakka makes bikes troops so you can take 6 of them.

Yea, it very clearly states that if it's a 1 to 1 ratio then you are limited to two of that new Troop unit. But if it's a 'unit now counts as Troop' then you get up to 4/6 depending on what tournament you are in


What does make me mad is that all the doubles tournaments are on Friday and start early in the morning. There is no way I can make that because of the whole job thing. I wish they bumped it to start in the afternoon and have it run into the night with the bar staying open until people leave. That would be a fun event and I am willing to bet more people would want to show up for it.

Looking forward to it guys.

 Kwosge wrote:
Yea, it very clearly states that if it's a 1 to 1 ratio then you are limited to two of that new Troop unit. But if it's a 'unit now counts as Troop' then you get up to 4/6 depending on what tournament you are in


What does make me mad is that all the doubles tournaments are on Friday and start early in the morning. There is no way I can make that because of the whole job thing. I wish they bumped it to start in the afternoon and have it run into the night with the bar staying open until people leave. That would be a fun event and I am willing to bet more people would want to show up for it.

While the Friday event is difficult for some to make, squeezing 9 games into 2 days with a large awards ceremony would be impossible. Part of the reasoning behind the schedule is to allow people to catch a flight out Sunday evening so they don't necessarily have to take Monday off. Since a majority of the draw is for the 40k GT and Fantasy GT, it makes more sense to give them priority scheduling on Saturday and Sunday and still finish at a reasonable time.

 hyv3mynd wrote:

 Kwosge wrote:
Yea, it very clearly states that if it's a 1 to 1 ratio then you are limited to two of that new Troop unit. But if it's a 'unit now counts as Troop' then you get up to 4/6 depending on what tournament you are in


What does make me mad is that all the doubles tournaments are on Friday and start early in the morning. There is no way I can make that because of the whole job thing. I wish they bumped it to start in the afternoon and have it run into the night with the bar staying open until people leave. That would be a fun event and I am willing to bet more people would want to show up for it.

While the Friday event is difficult for some to make, squeezing 9 games into 2 days with a large awards ceremony would be impossible. Part of the reasoning behind the schedule is to allow people to catch a flight out Sunday evening so they don't necessarily have to take Monday off. Since a majority of the draw is for the 40k GT and Fantasy GT, it makes more sense to give them priority scheduling on Saturday and Sunday and still finish at a reasonable time.

Umm... What are you talking about? How about you go back and reread what I said.

Ahh I read "bumped it" but missed "until the afternoon".

I'm not staff but if I were to speculate, I'd say the 8pm finish time is to allow a more relaxed evening of drinking and socializing. I know DaBoyz are very close to guys from Boston, Toledo, etc and probably want time to catch up with their pals.

Good luck, gentlemen.

The venue looks great and the terrain is cool.

 Kwosge wrote:
Yea, it very clearly states that if it's a 1 to 1 ratio then you are limited to two of that new Troop unit. But if it's a 'unit now counts as Troop' then you get up to 4/6 depending on what tournament you are in


What does make me mad is that all the doubles tournaments are on Friday and start early in the morning. There is no way I can make that because of the whole job thing. I wish they bumped it to start in the afternoon and have it run into the night with the bar staying open until people leave. That would be a fun event and I am willing to bet more people would want to show up for it.

Must have misread it, I thought it specifically said "even if they become troops still 0-2"

Can't say enough about this event - I held off on attending for years because I loathe comp, but attended last year (no comp) and had a blast. Once I got over the "oh nao comp!" mental hurdle and attended, I'll say I had an amazing time not because of the format (which is very good, and this years comp is super minimal/fine in my mind), but because of the guys that run this. They're dedicated to putting on an awesome show and totally deliver.

I'm buying my ticket now, because this is also me remembering that even though I booked a hotel room already, I still hadn't grabbed a darn ticket!

See you guys in a month or two!

The morning for the team event was chosen mostly for timing. We didn't want it to run to late into the evening and then have to get up the next morning and start the singles. This way people can relax and go get some sleep or more importantly have time to catch up with others and or drink.

Target wrote:
Can't say enough about this event - I held off on attending for years because I loathe comp, but attended last year (no comp) and had a blast. Once I got over the "oh nao comp!" mental hurdle and attended, I'll say I had an amazing time not because of the format (which is very good, and this years comp is super minimal/fine in my mind), but because of the guys that run this. They're dedicated to putting on an awesome show and totally deliver.

I'm buying my ticket now, because this is also me remembering that even though I booked a hotel room already, I still hadn't grabbed a darn ticket!

See you guys in a month or two!

Glad to hear you are coming back!

I've heard nothing but good things about how fun of an event this is! Wish I could go, good luck, fellas, I hope it's a blast!

So a question about the comp restrictions.

How does the 0-2 of any unit work will allies.

Is it 0-2 total (so I can only ever have 2 Riptides or 2 Heldrakes)
Or is it 0-2 in that detachment (I can have 3 Riptides or Heldrakes if I ally with myself.)

I figure the intent is 0-2 total but it is not super clear.

@Breng77

Your first inclination was correct in that you can only ever have 2 Riptides or 2 Heldrakes.

Always a good time there, I missed out last year but not this year. Looking forward to seeing everyone and drink lots and lots of adult beverages

Don't forget your half of ringer army for the doubles Rickels

I love the new venue and going back to your Comp roots. I wish I could have made it this year but I have coaching conflicts.

Just a random question, but is Daboyz allowing same psychic powers to stack? It seems to be 50/50 with tournaments these days.

Yes according to the current FAQ on their website.

Quick question, does O'vesa count towards the 2 Riptide limit or is she exempt as a unique IC?

That does look hella tempting, though the wife is pushing back on taking a "vacation" to upstate NY in late November.

If you're trying to swing the "vacation" line, remember that most of the wineries in the area are still open. On top of that, the last year has seen a upswing in breweries and distilleries, many within an hour of the event.

If anyone's interested in the local fare, just ask. I have to say that before I moved to Watkins Glen (about an hour from the event location) I didn't really think that highly of wine. I thought I didn't like it. Turns out, I love the stuff. NY just has a different taste than most other popular wines.

If you're coming from the South on route 14, stop by Pompous Ass Winery. It's just north of Watkins.

There's also a couple of Meaderies within 30min of Canidagua. Get your Dwarf drank on.

YES! MEAD ftw! Cant wait I got my room all booked and tickets bought for 40k team and singles. That weekend is going to be epic!

Anyone who is able but on the fence about attending I would implore you to give it a try, and this year is shaping up to be the best yet!

GreyDragoon wrote:
Quick question, does O'vesa count towards the 2 Riptide limit or is she exempt as a unique IC?

Just shoot them an email, I got my daemon herald question answered like that. They are good at answering concerns and follow up.

GreyDragoon wrote:
Quick question, does O'vesa count towards the 2 Riptide limit or is she exempt as a unique IC?

This question has been asked on a few forums and I haven't seen an official answer yet. I would email the GT staff directly and pass on any answer you receive.

O'vesa by RAW definition isn't a "riptide" so by basic definition, may not count against your 0-2 limit. However, the comp restrictions are in place to encourage diversity and discourage spam. Since O'vesa is inside a riptide battle suit and is in effect, bringing a 3rd riptide to the table in a 0-2 environment, I could see the TO's ruling that he counts against your 0-2 max.

O'vesa's a he

I believe it was ruled that he counts as riptide.

@ Grey Dragon I believe we answered this in the email, but there was a couple of them we answered.

The best way is to email daboyzrocgt@gmail.com. Typically the comp jury does not post here.

Update on ticket sales.

We are close to selling out the Team event. Their there is only space for 5 more teams.

For the 40k singles there is about 30 tickets left.

So if really want to play in the 40k team event please sign ASAP.

90 players so far then? thats awesome!

The Team Tournament registration is now closed.

If you want to be on the waiting list email daboyzrocgt@gmail.com. We cannot guarantee spots will become available and we'll attempt to contact wait listed players if players cancel.

There are less than 10 spots left for the 40k singles.

I'm getting psyched for this tournament. Hope everyones ready for the pain!

And registered. Now I just have to figure out the logistics...

Nice! let us know if you need anything.

Yea we are pretty close to selling out.

We will be using FAQ Council ruling on Comdemnor Boltgun

If the unit contains one or more models withe the psyker rule, it suffers a perils on that model in addition to the strength 5 hit. If there is more than one psyker, which psyker takes the perils is randomized.

If more than one Condemnor Boltgun hits the unit, each Perils result is randomized.

If the unit contains a brotherhood of psykers/sorcerers and one or more psyker models, the brotherhood unit counts as a single psyker for determining who takes the perils and then follows their rules for resolving the perils as normal if they are effected by it.

Just checking if I read the player packet correctly: a White Scars Army can have more than 2 bike squads as troop choices?

Yes, because they are troops.

Jay_Daboyz wrote:
We will be using FAQ Council ruling on Comdemnor Boltgun

If the unit contains one or more models withe the psyker rule, it suffers a perils on that model in addition to the strength 5 hit. If there is more than one psyker, which psyker takes the perils is randomized.

If more than one Condemnor Boltgun hits the unit, each Perils result is randomized.

If the unit contains a brotherhood of psykers/sorcerers and one or more psyker models, the brotherhood unit counts as a single psyker for determining who takes the perils and then follows their rules for resolving the perils as normal if they are effected by it.

This isn't what your downloadable FAQ says... it says play it as if its the same weapon in the GK army... Unless I am reading things wrong!

(btw the ruling you have here is basically the way i think it SHOULD be played!)

I'm super excited for this! depending on how you count it... its about 17 days away! I can't wait to bring my weird but somehow effective list with me!

EDIT... NVM just read your forum... you modified it to match exactly what you said in the post I quoted!

Just bought my ticket for the 40k singles event

@ krootman nice. I think there is only one ticket left

@ frgsinwntr. We are glad you are excited. sorry about changing the FAQ rule. With GW coming out with all these supplements so quickly and badly worded rules it hard to keep up.

Jay_Daboyz wrote:
@ krootman nice. I think there is only one ticket left

@ frgsinwntr. We are glad you are excited. sorry about changing the FAQ rule. With GW coming out with all these supplements so quickly and badly worded rules it hard to keep up.

I heard from some friends the event was almost sold out, im glad I picked one up when I did!

Exciting times if its 1 away from sold out. That's 30 more in the 40k GT than last year. Alcohol on site. Fireplaces in the rooms.

Bring warm clothes men, going to be cold in canandaigua in a couple weeks!

Looking forward to it. A pretty large group will be heading up from the Mongers for 40k/Fantasy.

Bristol Harbour is apparently sold out of rooms for that weekend too.

PanzerLeader wrote:
Bristol Harbour is apparently sold out of rooms for that weekend too.

DaBoyz reserved the whole resort for the event. It's possible they sold out, but you have to contact the resort directly. If you use booking.com or another middle man, they will say it's unavailable. You need to contact the resort directly and tell them you're with the warhammer group.

Since the GT has sold out or is very close, it's entirely possible that the resort is full also.

 hyv3mynd wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:
Bristol Harbour is apparently sold out of rooms for that weekend too.

DaBoyz reserved the whole resort for the event. It's possible they sold out, but you have to contact the resort directly. If you use booking.com or another middle man, they will say it's unavailable. You need to contact the resort directly and tell them you're with the warhammer group.

Since the GT has sold out or is very close, it's entirely possible that the resort is full also.

Went direct with the resort earlier. Booked solid. No worries though. There is a Holiday Inn for comparable prices only 20 minutes up the road.

Ahh good to know.

How is Overall Theme scored?

Theme is scored by other players. The judges will break ties. We have never needed to break a tie. The goal is to award someone that goes above and beyond in the hobby.


Here is writing that is in the player’s packet.

Theme
This is the third year for this award. This is an independent award which is not part of your GT Score and is determined by player votes. This award is for players who go beyond “normal”. For us, this award demonstrates some of the best parts of the game. This award is chosen by your fellow players. Here are some of the things to take into account when making your choice:
• Booklet or handout for your opponents
• Costumes or other shirts or clothing
• Banner or some other type of display
• Display base
• Army song, theme drinks or something else that shows the theme of your army. An example would be an Ork army which has dice with Ork heads in place of the sixes.
• Army appearance can relate to theme too. An example would be a chaos dedicated Imperial Guard army which has chaos symbols and chains hanging off all their tanks.

Some examples:
Show up playing orks and paint your face green and have a power claw on your arm.
Or playing Tau and you modeled all your army to be a all kroot army. Your riptide are a large kroot with guns, you leader is kroot in a battle suit.

There are no points awarded to the overall score.

Currently alan bajramovic is in the lead. Go TOF to see all the details.

is there any coverage?

Just torrent as far as I've seen, and that's not really "coverage" I've been looking as well though.

Anybody know what's in the 3 lists near the top?

Not sure on Vallee

Bajramovic is running seer council w/ Baron, 2 knights, bunches of scoring min squad jetbikes, and a larger ish warpsider unit.

Kopach is running seer council w/ Baron, 4 serpents, some scoring jetbikes and hawks i think and such.

Hoerger is running Cron/Tau w/ Zandrekh and scarabs among other things.

Ah, ToF just listed it as Necrons. I was curious what was in a mono-robutt list near the top.

 RobPro wrote:
Ah, ToF just listed it as Necrons. I was curious what was in a mono-robutt list near the top.

I believe Zandrekh is at least helpful, or intended to be, from talking with Eric before he left. Jetcouncil Eldar is one of the best armies in the game by a wide, wide margin over most things. Given it was legal w/in the comp, many were concerned a lot would be there (2 in the top 4 right now even), so Zandrekh and scarabs were brought (Zandrekh to remove Hit and Run, Scarabs to tarpit a unit full of s3 attacks).

Oh, I see how Zahndrekh is definitely useful in that scenario, and don't forget those scarabs can become S4 on the charge. I was just curious whether there was some type of mono-Necron list that had what it took to get to the top.

Isn't Brandon Vallee the white scars blog dude? I'd hope he's taking the scars.

Edit:Alan pajamapants beat B.Vallee. Is daboyz 6 or 7 games?

Chancetragedy wrote:
Isn't Brandon Vallee the white scars blog dude? I'd hope he's taking the scars.

Edit:Alan pajamapants beat B.Vallee. Is daboyz 6 or 7 games?

Brandon was my teammate at the ATC, along with Mike Mutscheller and Bill Kim.

Good to see that they're doing well, 2 of them at least.

I noticed that when I was looking into people's names ;p. The fluffy bunnies representing across the world(a few of them were ETC members too right?)

Chancetragedy wrote:
I noticed that when I was looking into people's names ;p. The fluffy bunnies representing across the world(a few of them were ETC members too right?)

Yeah, Mike was a member and I believe Brandon was an alternate who often practiced with the ETC members.

Not sure on Vallee

Bajramovic is running seer council w/ Baron, 2 knights, bunches of scoring min squad jetbikes, and a larger ish warpsider unit.

Kopach is running seer council w/ Baron, 4 serpents, some scoring jetbikes and hawks i think and such.

Hoerger is running Cron/Tau w/ Zandrekh and scarabs among other things.

Ugh...Seer Council again proving how overpowered a 2+ re-rollable save is in the hands of good players. I used the Council pre-new Eldar dex for 15 games or so, and hated it. I'm all for cutthroat lists and competitive play, but a 2+ re-roll is bad for the game. Not fun to play, not fun to play against. Something about a nigh unkillable unit matching up the field is just not right. Furthermore, the fact that both Seers/Screamers are derailed only by luck (not getting Fortune/Forewarning, failing a re-rollable Grimiore ect.) is terrible. It is pretty sad to see some of the people that can win with just about anything going this route.

To head off some potential follow-ups, I do realize that I am arbitrarily drawing a line as to what is over the top. I do realize that as a "no holds barred" player, this kind of thing is the logical conclusion of abuse. However, I do think that the 2+ re-rollable crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed. There is something very juvenile about it--like playing games with invincibility on. The community deserves better.

I dont even think the screamerstar is on the same continent as the seer council. Seer council has hit and run + wave serpents and jetbikes. Screamerstar gets demon princes whoopie.

Having played a few games against both now screamerstar is extremely beatable, seer council not as much unless you get insane luck. I do agree that rerollable 2+ saves are broken as all get out especially ones that are almost a given with their huge percentage of being able to get it. If it was a 1/6 chance of having it I don't think anyone would complain or if it was just for a round no one would care.

I dont even think the screamerstar is on the same continent as the seer council. Seer council has hit and run + wave serpents and jetbikes. Screamerstar gets demon princes whoopie.

Having played a few games against both now screamerstar is extremely beatable, seer council not as much unless you get insane luck. I do agree that rerollable 2+ saves are broken as all get out especially ones that are almost a given with their huge percentage of being able to get it. If it was a 1/6 chance of having it I don't think anyone would complain or if it was just for a round no one would care.

That is fair--the Screamers are in no way as versatile or as good as the Seer Council. The Screamer 2++ is annoying, but it involves a larger number or machinations working together.

Seers are super lame though. It's sad to see how common they are becoming this season.

I totally agree JGrand I was talking to robpro about it earlier but seeing guys like tony kopach and Alan pajamapants and others jump to seer council is hilarious and to me. And please don't take this as a shot against either of those guys personally because their track record speaks for itself but seriously. show off your skill not your follow the leader list. That was one of the things I admired about tony is his foot lists in a mech meta taking down the supposed king lists.

With that being said I loved seeing so many space marines on ToF near the top for daboyz. Even if they didn't take it, it was awesome. And I hope to see more.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I totally agree JGrand I was talking to robpro about it earlier but seeing guys like tony kopach and Alan pajamapants and others jump to seer council is hilarious and to me. And please don't take this as a shot against either of those guys personally because their track record speaks for itself but seriously. show off your skill not your follow the leader list. That was one of the things I admired about tony is his foot lists in a mech meta taking down the supposed king lists.

With that being said I loved seeing so many space marines on ToF near the top for daboyz. Even if they didn't take it, it was awesome. And I hope to see more.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Seer Council by the time Adepticon rolls around between Inq and Sisters condemnor boltgun spam lists will look varied by then... at least this is me hoping.

Haven't they already updated the electronic codices to use the GK wording for condemners? For some reason I thought they had been which makes them useless. If not hopefully they start culling out some of the seer councils.

Either way I personally am not worried about either of those lists as I feel they are beatable it's just extremely difficult. And I'm not winning adepticon anyways ;p

Condemnor boltguns got nerfed hardcore, so that they are completely irrelevant against jetcouncil. They cause perils if they wound a Warlock after failing its 2+ re-rollable.

To JGrand's point, a unit that can split into 4 units as long as 1/10 original models survives, 3 distinct separable parts of which can move 48" at will and count as contesting, that can engage and destroy any unit in the game with a 2+ re-rollable armor save, cover save, and 4+ invulnerable save (with a model that has a 2+ re-rollable invulnerable save), hit and run on a 1-5, backed by tons of scoring models that can also move 48" at will and units like Wave Serpents, Knights, etc., are RIDICULOUS, and have no counter in sight other than hopefully a retention of Shadows in the Warp coupled w/ a viable codex (which would solve the problem). With the likelihood of Runic Weapons getting nerfed, the large hope is that Nids will rein it in. We shall see

Edit - I don't want to overstate; the council isn't perfect or unbeatable. It also needs the hands of a skilled player.

MVBrandt wrote:
Condemnor boltguns got nerfed hardcore, so that they are completely irrelevant against jetcouncil. They cause perils if they wound a Warlock after failing its 2+ re-rollable.

To JGrand's point, a unit that can split into 4 units as long as 1/10 original models survives, 3 distinct separable parts of which can move 48" at will and count as contesting, that can engage and destroy any unit in the game with a 2+ re-rollable armor save, cover save, and 4+ invulnerable save (with a model that has a 2+ re-rollable invulnerable save), hit and run on a 1-5, backed by tons of scoring models that can also move 48" at will and units like Wave Serpents, Knights, etc., are RIDICULOUS, and have no counter in sight other than hopefully a retention of Shadows in the Warp coupled w/ a viable codex (which would solve the problem). With the likelihood of Runic Weapons getting nerfed, the large hope is that Nids will rein it in. We shall see

that is what I get for not paying attention haha.

OH well I guess Seer Council till 7th edition or maybe Nids can stop it we shall see.

Not this this is really the thread for that discussion, but it seems like a big problem in 6th is that buffs are insanely powerful. Only Space Wolves (and sometimes Tyranids) have mechanics to actually hinder their casting, and no army (that I'm aware of) actually has the ability to remove a buff from an enemy unit. It seems like there should be a similar mechanic to Deny the Witch available for units to attempt to remove Fortune or Iron Arm from other units.

 RobPro wrote:
Not this this is really the thread for that discussion, but it seems like a big problem in 6th is that buffs are insanely powerful. Only Space Wolves (and sometimes Tyranids) have mechanics to actually hinder their casting, and no army (that I'm aware of) actually has the ability to remove a buff from an enemy unit. It seems like there should be a similar mechanic to Deny the Witch available for units to attempt to remove Fortune or Iron Arm from other units.

It's just hard to say; #1 and 2 in generalship at DaBoyz were Tony and Alan, two AWESOME players who do well regardless. The important point to draw is that what seems powerful but "fine" for the average player becomes incredible and arguably overpowered in the hands of a top tier player. The easiest solution isn't to nerf the buffs, but to put hard caps on how good a unit's save / etc. can become. Therein lies the rub of course.


That said, this discussion IS way off topic. I'm already hearing AWESOME things about DaBoyz from the people I know who were there .... so maybe even though I've been a part of the misdirection, we should redirect it to feedback and coverage of the event

We're talking about the meta that showed up to daboyz, I don't see how that's off topic but either way I agree from what I've heard this was an amazing tournament again and I will definately be making a more concerted effort to attend next year. I was quite bummed I couldn't make it this year. And I just want to give a shout out to a local guy Sam Gould for doing extremely well even though I don't know him well in person.

One last thing like I said Alan' and Tonys track record speaks for itself and I didn't want to single them out because it could have been anyone doing that but they were just the highest profile guys I saw. We could've easily mentioned fennel from 11ty comp GT as well as guys who've switched to seer council.

Well, I know I had a blast, and definitely plan on coming back next year. Great event guys.

The easiest way to end Seer council and anything like it in the future is to never have a best General category. Don't track it, don't acknowledge it, nothing. Let painting, sportsmanship, battle points and comp (Yes comp) sort out the best overall.

When people perceive best general as the highest award to get, Seer council in the extreme is born. When it is removed as a viable category, players adjust or fade away from lack of limelight.

DarthDiggler wrote:
The easiest way to end Seer council and anything like it in the future is to never have a best General category. Don't track it, don't acknowledge it, nothing. Let painting, sportsmanship, battle points and comp (Yes comp) sort out the best overall.

When people perceive best general as the highest award to get, Seer council in the extreme is born. When it is removed as a viable category, players adjust or fade away from lack of limelight.

You propose a system where victory is almost totally subjective. If you win, what does it mean, exactly?

Chancetragedy wrote:
Haven't they already updated the electronic codices to use the GK wording for condemners? For some reason I thought they had been which makes them useless. If not hopefully they start culling out some of the seer councils.

Either way I personally am not worried about either of those lists as I feel they are beatable it's just extremely difficult. And I'm not winning adepticon anyways ;p

I just checked my sister codex on iPad completely up to date and still says hit not unsaved wound like inq codex... I have to be missing something somewhere...

The results proved exactly why I didn't go. Doesn't matter if everyone I know from my area (Michigan/Toledo) is going, or how well run an event is.

What kind of comp system makes the most broken army in the game even better? Therein lies the problem with comp. Terrible planning / lack of testing right there.

Glad everyone who went at least appeared to have a good time.

Well to be fair, Tony and Alan are confirmed phenomenal players. All the comp did was encourage them to take the best allowable list. I'm not sure it affected the outcome all that much. Good players win and finish highly at forty k events, consistently. The missions, legal units, etc rarely impact that. The only conclusion about the positives or negatives you can draw would come from the "average" mass of the field, and we have zero info about that feeling/feedback other than early reports of it being an awesome time :-)

DarthDiggler wrote:
The easiest way to end Seer council and anything like it in the future is to never have a best General category. Don't track it, don't acknowledge it, nothing. Let painting, sportsmanship, battle points and comp (Yes comp) sort out the best overall.

When people perceive best general as the highest award to get, Seer council in the extreme is born. When it is removed as a viable category, players adjust or fade away from lack of limelight.

Several Issues with your suggestion.

1.) This was a Comped event...not much change there. You could do different Comp to rid yourself of the seer council. But then something else will just become powerful.

2.) It assumes these beat face type armies are poorly painted...often that is not the case.

3.) So then it all comes down to subjective sports voting, which should never be determined on a players choice of list. Saying "I got stomped so I am dinging this guy in sports." is the antithesis to actual sportsmanship. If the guy was a nice guy with a hard list...he does not deserve to get dinged. All that does is encourage poor sportsmanship.

So you can come up with a comp system all you want, and then play a subjective event where and some people just won't show. Which is fine if that is what you want.

Lets be realistic here folks. The guys on the top tables will be on the top tables whether they are playing seer council or a ritz cracker. Top players are good because they grasp the game better than the 99% of rest of it.

Seer council pretty much was top tables while the rest of us barely saw it. I got in 6 awesome games and the venue was amazing. We kicked all their yuengling mid day saturday, and still kept on going. Thank you to all the people that put on the event and hope that they will continue to give us an ENJOYABLE event of food, friends, booze and plastic army men!

Fantastic Event!

The venue is a bit of a hike but well worth it. Bill and the Boston guys had a SICK house to themselves over a lake with a wrap around porch that fit 12 guys! Place was beautiful hills and lakes.

Didn't have to worry about food it was there and felt free since we paid for it in the ticket price.

The terrain was great! LOS blocking and very fair. There where a few crazy boards in the 40's area with HUGE buildings and one weird Dark Eldar esk building that was hard to play on. Luckily I avoided those boards.

I feel dirty for the seer council but I wanted to take the army I felt would give me the best shot at potential re-qualifying for the ETC Team America. Did I think it was going to go down as well as it did? No I did not but all you can do is set yourself up to win a game and then the dice need to fall your way. Thanks for rolling that 2 Brandon.

I have now made a vow to not touch Tau or Eldar in another Singles event for 2014 tournament year. Looking forward to the new nids codex and the rumored ORKS book.

I wanted to thank the all the people working the event for doing such a great job. Jay , Chris, and Shaun fantastic job as usual and I look forward to next years free drinks ALL DAY LONG!

Alan Bajramovic

Definitely an awesome event and the venue was indeed amazing.



View of the lake from the main game room



Main game hall.

The rooms were awesome and the fireplaces were appreciated especially after the snowstorm we got on Saturday night. The quality of converted and painted armies was the highest I've seen in 3 years of attending this event.

Great job to the TO team and Chip from torrent of fire. My wife and I hope they can lock in the same venue next year. The food was surprisingly good and having 3 meals provided right outside the game hall was perfect.

yeezymozart wrote:
Alan Bajramovic

I always figured Alan was Blackmoor on these boards... Must have been hallucinating.

Grats on the result. Never mind the council stuff. More creativity there than the copy paste lists that were popular a year ago (Coteax+6x identical Henchmen with Razorbacks+sprinkles...)

Cilithan

Rickels wrote:
Lets be realistic here folks. The guys on the top tables will be on the top tables whether they are playing seer council or a ritz cracker. Top players are good because they grasp the game better than the 99% of rest of it.

Great to hear it was so amazing and I want to attend next year but I will only go to one of this larger events if they fix the current issues with the game. There's no doubt that the people on top are good, but lets be honest here, if they were able to get their consistently without gaming the system and playing abusive rules bending builds then it is even more disappointing that they show up with these lists anyway. Especially when you see talented players not playing such lists on purpose, who don't get the same recognition really. Kind of a vicious cycle. But its great that Daboyz at least put an attempt forward at reigning in the current meta. With a venue that great its really all about your attitude on whether you enjoy yourself or not. Those fireplaces are AMAZING looking!

This proves comp doesn't work.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
This proves comp doesn't work.

Oh come on now. DaBoyz Comp isn't meant to make the game fluffy for everybody; it's just meant to shift the bar. I'd bet money they didn't anticipate Jetcouncil (which happens), and if they'd made a minor tweak to prevent that they'd have been good to go.

Lots of people went and had a blast. I think it's fair only to say that if you ARE going to go Comp, go far enough with it that you at least force the top tier meta lists to shift (and certainly don't set it up so that one of them slips through the cracks but the rest all get knocked down a peg). It isn't a broad negative on comp in general at all (and this from someone who often doesn't support comp).

anyone have pictures of the army's? Heard there was a ton of well painted and converted armies there.

The seer council....that's a unit that even I wouldn't touch. The screamer-star is bad but it isn't nearly as bad. Unfortunately, we're all going to have to endure them (both of them) until the next edition comes out.

tree667 wrote:
anyone have pictures of the army's? Heard there was a ton of well painted and converted armies there.

Here's a few teasers. We had 5 blog authors playing in the event so many pics will come to our blog (in my sig) over the coming weeks.



Jon Ho's amazing ultras and tau. He won best painted in the team event and best opponent (painting+sports) in the GT.



Nate Stevens (carlosthecraven) gk+tau took 2nd best appearance.



Troy esposito's space dwarves (wolves) won best theme. He also colored his beard green and had a mini keg strapped to his back.



Max Dubois grey knights won 2nd theme.

That's just a few. Like I said check out the Mandulian chapel over the next weeks for more.

If there is no way to rain in the Seer Councils Hit and run you are forced to spread out and not engage. Which is hard to do considering they are so fast and you can't bog them down.

The biggest thing you can hope for is put them up against another mobile army and play keep away while killing their scoring units.

Darkwynn wrote:
If there is no way to rain in the Seer Councils Hit and run you are forced to spread out and not engage. Which is hard to do considering they are so fast and you can't bog them down.

The biggest thing you can hope for is put them up against another mobile army and play keep away while killing their scoring units.

Yeah Eric Hoerger had a great anti-council list with zandrehk to remove hit-and-run and a scarab farm to tie them up all game.

I think I gave him his only loss and it was minor ;D

Not to bash Eric, but Werner Born used that exact list to win Best Overall at BFS earlier this year. As far as I know Werner is the one who made the list, obviously he is not the first one ever to use Zandrehk and scarabs. Not trying to diminish Eric at all as he is my friend and my teammate. Just trying to give credit to the creator of the list.

Oh and its not like Eric went out and copied Werner behind his back, they rode up together and talked about it at length.
Together they went 8-3-1 at Daboyz.

PS- Love you Eric and Werner

The space dwarf army that won best theme sounds awesome as does the person playing them (hard to see much from the pic).

Who won best general, Alan B. or Tony K.?

Cilithan- I believe Blackmoor is "Allen H."

I believe Alan B. won. I think Tony was 4th despite winning all his games. In any case, Alan had more battle points than Tony.

Blackmoor is Alan H.

Tony had the 2nd most BP, but my understanding is he won like 2nd best overall or something? Not sure, as that doesn't jive with what's on Torrent (to be fair, a tournament usually has multiple tracks by which to sort people, so Torrent won't naturally list every possible sorting by which the TOs may eval).

In any event, while Tony and Alan both went undefeated, Alan scored substantially higher in BP. As jy2 says, Blackmoor is Alan Hern. from Arizona / 11th Co Podcast / FW whineytown.

 hyv3mynd wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:
If there is no way to rain in the Seer Councils Hit and run you are forced to spread out and not engage. Which is hard to do considering they are so fast and you can't bog them down.

The biggest thing you can hope for is put them up against another mobile army and play keep away while killing their scoring units.

Yeah Eric Hoerger had a great anti-council list with zandrehk to remove hit-and-run and a scarab farm to tie them up all game.

I think I gave him his only loss and it was minor ;D

You would think a Necron Flyer list would give a Seer council list trouble . Never have to engage the seer council, run around and shoot all scoring units. Then last turn objective score.

Problem would be clearing out wraith Knights effectively but it could be done.

That's the right way to handle the council; the problem comes if they get to go 2nd, and the game ends on 5. This happened to me at BFS final table; DeFranza and I were sitting undefeated and playing for the tournament; I had Eldar/SW. I was able to kill all but 2 1-wound-left farseers on jetbikes, baron, 1 warlock, and 2 swooping hawk models, and had a substantial portion of my army in-tact (had killed 9/10 warlocks, 10/12 hawks, 15/15 guardian jetbikes, 2/2 wraithknights, 5/5 de warriors). He had bottom of last turn, however, and moved his 6 models to contest the crap out of the board and snag one lone objective that I couldn't quite spread entirely to by that time (due to having to be relatively safe / spread out / deal with all the scoring guardian jetbikes / etc.). Rolled a 1, game ended, a 3+ short of simply tabling it.

The biggest problem w/ the list is not really just the killyness or durability of the council, but the fact it has an extreme advantage going 2nd in an edition that already benefits going 2nd (5/6 book missions being objective-centric), and need only keep 1 lock, and each farseer barely alive to have the abiliyt to suddenly split into 3 fortuned models that can move basically anywhere on the board. This is further exacerbated by the fact they don't actually have to bother engaging at all, since they have free-roam mobility across the entire board and don't have to kill things to win most of the time.

MVBrandt wrote:
That's the right way to handle the council; the problem comes if they get to go 2nd, and the game ends on 5. This happened to me at BFS final table; DeFranza and I were sitting undefeated and playing for the tournament; I had Eldar/SW. I was able to kill all but 2 1-wound-left farseers on jetbikes, baron, 1 warlock, and 2 swooping hawk models, and had a substantial portion of my army in-tact (had killed 9/10 warlocks, 10/12 hawks, 15/15 guardian jetbikes, 2/2 wraithknights, 5/5 de warriors). He had bottom of last turn, however, and moved his 6 models to contest the crap out of the board and snag one lone objective that I couldn't quite spread entirely to by that time (due to having to be relatively safe / spread out / deal with all the scoring guardian jetbikes / etc.). Rolled a 1, game ended, a 3+ short of simply tabling it.

The biggest problem w/ the list is not really just the killyness or durability of the council, but the fact it has an extreme advantage going 2nd in an edition that already benefits going 2nd (5/6 book missions being objective-centric), and need only keep 1 lock, and each farseer barely alive to have the abiliyt to suddenly split into 3 fortuned models that can move basically anywhere on the board.

oh I agree Mike, I think of it when they go from Voltron to the lions They break off to contest everything and the way the rules work can be quite annoying. Just thinking that is the only way to really handle it. I think Necron flyers would have the durability and the moblity because they can't hit the flyers really so you just need to be good at managing the game and making sure you are on objectives near the end.

is it guarantee? No, I don't think so but with mind shackle and some other tricks it could work. esp with Deep strike Obryon or a lord that is taking away the hit and run.

Otherwise pure dark Eldar and everyone stays the heck away from the seer council at all times. The list sits really well against the meta but I think there are some counters to it. Problem is those counters get destroyed by everything else.

Darkwynn wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
That's the right way to handle the council; the problem comes if they get to go 2nd, and the game ends on 5. This happened to me at BFS final table; DeFranza and I were sitting undefeated and playing for the tournament; I had Eldar/SW. I was able to kill all but 2 1-wound-left farseers on jetbikes, baron, 1 warlock, and 2 swooping hawk models, and had a substantial portion of my army in-tact (had killed 9/10 warlocks, 10/12 hawks, 15/15 guardian jetbikes, 2/2 wraithknights, 5/5 de warriors). He had bottom of last turn, however, and moved his 6 models to contest the crap out of the board and snag one lone objective that I couldn't quite spread entirely to by that time (due to having to be relatively safe / spread out / deal with all the scoring guardian jetbikes / etc.). Rolled a 1, game ended, a 3+ short of simply tabling it.

The biggest problem w/ the list is not really just the killyness or durability of the council, but the fact it has an extreme advantage going 2nd in an edition that already benefits going 2nd (5/6 book missions being objective-centric), and need only keep 1 lock, and each farseer barely alive to have the abiliyt to suddenly split into 3 fortuned models that can move basically anywhere on the board.

oh I agree Mike, I think of it when they go from Voltron to the lions They break off to contest everything and the way the rules work can be quite annoying. Just thinking that is the only way to really handle it. I think Necron flyers would have the durability and the moblity because they can't hit the flyers really so you just need to be good at managing the game and making sure you are on objectives near the end.

is it guarantee? No, I don't think so but with mind shackle and some other tricks it could work. esp with Deep strike Obryon or a lord that is taking away the hit and run.

Otherwise pure dark Eldar and everyone stays the heck away from the seer council at all times. The list sits really well against the meta but I think there are some counters to it. Problem is those counters get destroyed by everything else.

Aye ... I meant my post to say "Nick you're totally right, here's my personal example to reinforce your point." You're also spot on that trying too hard to counter it leaves you totally pantsed against everything else.

Great tournament. Totally worth the trip.

Those Centurions are amazeballs!!!

Glad you guys had fun and Pajama Pants, you cheesy git!

Jay made a video walk through of the venue here:
http://synaps3.blogspot.com/2013/11/daboyz-gt-2013-pictures-and-video.html?m=0

Hey guys thought I would thow my 2 cents into the pot. I am Troy the guy with the "green beard" and who took 1st in Theme. The venue was great and the armies were amazing. Overall however I noticed severe holes in the comp system to begin with so I decided to go all in on theme and focus on drinking, hanging with buds and having a great time instead of my normal thinking on bringing something built to beat face. I can officially say I was able to achieve all 3 of those objectives.

Thanks so much for the votes for best Theme!!

As for the meta it is what it is the players will adapt or the 40k community needs to get together and do a true comp system like fantasy.

My advice play what makes you happy, have a great time and meet new people. In the end its all about a game and having fun so go for broke. DaBoyz for me and alot of my crew was more about hanging with bros then making it a point to win at all costs and we had a great time.

Grats Alan on the win that last game was a nail bitter.

MVBrandt wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
This proves comp doesn't work.

Oh come on now. DaBoyz Comp isn't meant to make the game fluffy for everybody; it's just meant to shift the bar. I'd bet money they didn't anticipate Jetcouncil (which happens), and if they'd made a minor tweak to prevent that they'd have been good to go.

Lots of people went and had a blast. I think it's fair only to say that if you ARE going to go Comp, go far enough with it that you at least force the top tier meta lists to shift (and certainly don't set it up so that one of them slips through the cracks but the rest all get knocked down a peg). It isn't a broad negative on comp in general at all (and this from someone who often doesn't support comp).

This sums up exactly how I feel about comp in a nutshell. All this comp did was nerf daemons and riptides, now I am not complaining or anything I am just agreeing with Mike's point. There will always be something broken even with comp, but at least this way you are really messing the meta up and forcing people predict the meta. Imo keeps it more interesting.

I glad a lot of peopled that attended had a great time.

Reecius if you still hanging out with the TableWar guys tell them they help Alan win. He was rolling their dice all weekend.

The comp system that was in place was not to restrict powerful army builds (since I not a idiot I understand it did in some cases), but to reduce the spam in the army lists. So no 4 heldrakes, 5 wave serpents, 5 flying monstrous creatures or 4 riptides.

I am not here to debate the comp system, but just to explain the reason for it.

The results for the event is on The Mandulian Chapel Blog.
http://synaps3.blogspot.com/

It will be on the DaBoyz GT site in few days. The administrator for that site is still resting and recovery from the event.

Anyone interested in using Torrent of Fire software I would highly recommend it! It really made my life easy over the weekend.

All it does is shift the cheese. It does not promote a more fair or balanced tournament.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
All it does is shift the cheese. It does not promote a more fair or balanced tournament.

Maybe not, but it does create more varied lists. With a lot of different lists the players have better time. Even the most competitive players don’t to go to an event and play a screamer star list three times in a row.

That's true. : )

I had 5/6 really fun games vs amazing people. The TO's were great and around when you needed them. It was nice having LoS blocking terrain. Food was good too. I'd recommend it.

 JGrand wrote:

Not sure on Vallee

Bajramovic is running seer council w/ Baron, 2 knights, bunches of scoring min squad jetbikes, and a larger ish warpsider unit.

Kopach is running seer council w/ Baron, 4 serpents, some scoring jetbikes and hawks i think and such.

Hoerger is running Cron/Tau w/ Zandrekh and scarabs among other things.

Ugh...Seer Council again proving how overpowered a 2+ re-rollable save is in the hands of good players. I used the Council pre-new Eldar dex for 15 games or so, and hated it. I'm all for cutthroat lists and competitive play, but a 2+ re-roll is bad for the game. Not fun to play, not fun to play against. Something about a nigh unkillable unit matching up the field is just not right. Furthermore, the fact that both Seers/Screamers are derailed only by luck (not getting Fortune/Forewarning, failing a re-rollable Grimiore ect.) is terrible. It is pretty sad to see some of the people that can win with just about anything going this route.

To head off some potential follow-ups, I do realize that I am arbitrarily drawing a line as to what is over the top. I do realize that as a "no holds barred" player, this kind of thing is the logical conclusion of abuse. However, I do think that the 2+ re-rollable crosses a line that shouldn't be crossed. There is something very juvenile about it--like playing games with invincibility on. The community deserves better.

Eliminate Battle Brothers as an ally. Turn all current Battle Brothers into Allies of Convienance. This will go a long way in solving this problem.

I'm not here to hate on the comp; many of us predicted that as long as at least one top player took Jetseer, then it would win...no shock there.

What I will do is hop on the "DaBoyz was awesome" bandwagon.

The venue was off the chain, I hope they get a 10 year contract with that place. I think we gave them enough booze money to last them through the offseason so that shouldn't be a problem ;P

Jay, special thanks for running an amazing event. I talked to Shaun and made sure to thank him as well.

Looks really amazing after skimming the blogs of attendees and seeing everything here on Dakka. If I did a coast to coast for 40k it would be this one.

deviant cadaver wrote:
I had 5/6 really fun games vs amazing people. The TO's were great and around when you needed them. It was nice having LoS blocking terrain. Food was good too. I'd recommend it.

odd... your opponents scored you low for sports? 7/30? But with the 1-6 ranking system for sports I'm sure that they other players enjoyed it too... but its hard to give good scores in that system

But i agree. I also have 5/6 games vs top quality opponents.

Da boyz seems to attract some very good players at it and I look forward to it next year! Just reading through the names there are sooo many good players on the list! Next year I guess I'll bring a serious list

I had a blast all weekend. Stayed up til 3am every night drinking and playing board games. This is going to be a yearly ritual for me.

I'm a little sad to see screamer star take the doubles and Jetstar take singles but that's the nature of the beast now, short of banning allies and giving each army a restrictions list (0-1 farseers 0-5 warlocks can take jetbikes for example) there isn't much you can do. Someone will find a way to break the system.

@Jay: those tokens you guys had made were fething awesome, do you sell them by any chance?

 frgsinwntr wrote:

deviant cadaver wrote:
I had 5/6 really fun games vs amazing people. The TO's were great and around when you needed them. It was nice having LoS blocking terrain. Food was good too. I'd recommend it.

odd... your opponents scored you low for sports? 7/30? But with the 1-6 ranking system for sports I'm sure that they other players enjoyed it too... but its hard to give good scores in that system

But i agree. I also have 5/6 games vs top quality opponents.

Da boyz seems to attract some very good players at it and I look forward to it next year! Just reading through the names there are sooo many good players on the list! Next year I guess I'll bring a serious list

Problem with sportsmanship no matter what format is people will score their friends higher, and there is a big group of friends there.

 Ravenous D wrote:
I had a blast all weekend. Stayed up til 3am every night drinking and playing board games. This is going to be a yearly ritual for me.

I'm a little sad to see screamer star take the doubles and Jetstar take singles but that's the nature of the beast now, short of banning allies and giving each army a restrictions list (0-1 farseers 0-5 warlocks can take jetbikes for example) there isn't much you can do. Someone will find a way to break the system.

@Jay: those tokens you guys had made were fething awesome, do you sell them by any chance?

 frgsinwntr wrote:

deviant cadaver wrote:
I had 5/6 really fun games vs amazing people. The TO's were great and around when you needed them. It was nice having LoS blocking terrain. Food was good too. I'd recommend it.

odd... your opponents scored you low for sports? 7/30? But with the 1-6 ranking system for sports I'm sure that they other players enjoyed it too... but its hard to give good scores in that system

But i agree. I also have 5/6 games vs top quality opponents.

Da boyz seems to attract some very good players at it and I look forward to it next year! Just reading through the names there are sooo many good players on the list! Next year I guess I'll bring a serious list

Problem with sportsmanship no matter what format is people will score their friends higher, and there is a big group of friends there.

Agreed... but the odds are against that happening. I only played one person I knew. In a crowd of 120 its hard to play people you know! (unless you all win or all lose!)

If I wasn't busy cooking turkey, I would write all kinds of stuff about how awesome this event was. My hat is off to Jay/Shaun/Chris and the rest of DaBoyz. Once again a great event, great venue and great time.

Any armylists for the top3 players?

@Jay: those tokens you guys had made were fething awesome, do you sell them by any chance?

If your talking about the Doubles objective markers they were made by Rivet Zone Enterprises. Their facebook is here

https://www.facebook.com/messages/646720449#!/pages/Rivet-zone-Enterprises/176731612462860

I meant those poker chips. Such a great idea.

Yea the poker chips were my idea. Everyone got one complete set. You always put dice on the objective for the Mysterious Objective and it gets moved or picked up. This way you never forgot what you have. We also had at every table the full description (below the table number attached with a clothes pin) of each of the mysterious objectives. No need to go looking in the rule book. We did sell them at the event. I believe we only have a handful left over.