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Part one Fixed Funding Delivery Feb.2014
Links:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-part-one/x/5247785

Thanks very much
Links :
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-by-darkhammerminiatures--2/x/5247785

DHM

The minis looks nice.

Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

I have the Undead Samurai and it is an amazing miniature, superb quality. Will be keeping an eye on this with great interest.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

I'd be happy to do this for a set of minis, I've mentioned in the general Dark Hammer release thread I have a Blood Tyrant which I'm very happy with!

As to backing the project? I would love to, but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with indiegogo, don't they take your pledge regardless, unlike Kickstarter who only take it if the project successfully funds?

 azreal13 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

I'd be happy to do this for a set of minis, I've mentioned in the general Dark Hammer release thread I have a Blood Tyrant which I'm very happy with!

As to backing the project? I would love to, but I'm afraid I'm not familiar with indiegogo, don't they take your pledge regardless, unlike Kickstarter who only take it if the project successfully funds?

Not only do they take your cash regardless of whether or not it succeeds, they take it immediately.

That almost seems too good to be true. I noticed your very nice asian-mythology undeads but convinced myself I didn't need them. Now I'm worried about my wallet ...

Wow, those are impressive prices, on some already nice models.

If I find a use for a bunch of undead, I may be back

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

Its also one of the most back assward languages to get a handle on. Even native speakers don't know all the rules. Why jump on an obvious second language speaker?

Its not terrible, syntax is wonky bbecause English is crazy. We have rules. Then exceptions to those rules. Then exceptions to those exception.

All in all, I've read college papers from native English speakers that were worse then the English the page.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

Its also one of the most back assward languages to get a handle on. Even native speakers don't know all the rules. Why jump on an obvious second language speaker?

Its not terrible, syntax is wonky bbecause English is crazy. We have rules. Then exceptions to those rules. Then exceptions to those exception.

All in all, I've read college papers from native English speakers that were worse then the English the page.

I didn't feel any "jumping on" was happening. It is a valid criticism, and when you are soliciting people for money who aren't necessarily aware of your languages, first, second or fifteenth, then first impressions count.

I'm a fan of the product, I'm a customer as I've mentioned, but other potential backers won't have that experience and won't be willing to cut the necessary slack.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

Its also one of the most back assward languages to get a handle on. Even native speakers don't know all the rules. Why jump on an obvious second language speaker?

Its not terrible, syntax is wonky bbecause English is crazy. We have rules. Then exceptions to those rules. Then exceptions to those exception.

All in all, I've read college papers from native English speakers that were worse then the English the page.

I didn't jump on him (if that was the only thing I was harping on in this thread post after post, then yeah maybe you could accuse me of jumping on. I clicked the link because indiegogos are not work blocked and I had heard of Dark Hammer Miniatures (insomuch as that I've seen their undead horse and rider). They do fantastic work, but trying to read it was a little bit painful because English isn't their native language, thus why I offered the suggestion of finding someone that speaks English and would be willing to fix their text so that they are putting the best possible foot forward.

Agreed on both counts- didn't seem that aggressive, and it is a valid concern. It's actually one of the things that makes me nervous about backing Journey right now (ESL rules)

Hi.Guys .

WoW .Thanks for those comments .Very appreciate that .

Here is some process of indiegogo .

We choose the flexible funding .There will be two result if the goal isn’t met .One is we refund all the money .The other is we go on the production using money we get and you will get your reward .
The money will come out at the end of campaign .We will use money to make miniatures .

And we are keep the same standard as our website showing .Find awesome sculptor then cast high quality miniatures we as promise .Here is few pix to show the quality




About my english .Sorry for that .I am try to write more smooth .HeHe .Thanks for understanding .

Any questions about indiegogo how to perk and other questions are all welcome .Thanks again

Tz

If this was on KS it would be auto for a lot of people. Hopefully indiegogo doesn't hurt it too much.

I don't really "get" the whole undead samurai thing, but good on you for adding more models to the marketplace

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

Its also one of the most back assward languages to get a handle on.

Spoken like a man never exposed to Finnish.

I like the miniatures, but I do not really care for IGG unless it is with a really reliable company/people who runs the campaign.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Did not notice your flag, and was going to say, "English doesn't seem to be your first language." The minis do indeed look nice, and I've seen your work around the internet before. Perhaps you could find someone that speaks English natively and they can fix the choppiness of your text to make everything sound smoother. If you can't/don't want to pay them, perhaps send them some free minis.

Its also one of the most back assward languages to get a handle on.

Spoken like a man never exposed to Finnish.

I was about to say French or many other languages are awful and illogical, but you've got a point with Finnish.

Very cool looking! Could we get some comparison shots? I'm interested to see how they match with Mantics Undead.

Those are really impressive sculpts. Some of them look finished already, such as the undead samurai, bloodlust tyrant and monk with 1000 hands. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get the finished ones shipped before June 2014. Also, if I add on extra miniatures (say get 2 tyrants) is it $10 shipping each, or do you only pay shipping for your main perk and everything else ins included in that shipping price?

These would be good alt figures for Bushido and Malifaux too.

The three you mention Bossk, are already available through their webstore.

In fact, I have a Blood Tyrant in my living room right now!

I bought a Bloodlust Tyrant from these guys and, really, it's a great mini. If this hits its 25k funding target I'll probably put in a pledge, but I'm reluctant to do anything flexible funding. It sounds like they're planning on either refunding the money or going through with production with the money they have (and just have it take longer I guess?) I might try asking on IGG to see if they make a clearer statement.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
Those are really impressive sculpts. Some of them look finished already, such as the undead samurai, bloodlust tyrant and monk with 1000 hands. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get the finished ones shipped before June 2014. Also, if I add on extra miniatures (say get 2 tyrants) is it $10 shipping each, or do you only pay shipping for your main perk and everything else ins included in that shipping price?

These would be good alt figures for Bushido and Malifaux too.

Main perk included that shipping cost .So choose what you like it .Then let us know .Leave message in comments section or email us .Thanks

Tz

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Wow, those are impressive prices, on some already nice models.

If I find a use for a bunch of undead, I may be back

Agreed- the downside of these models before was the price. They are surprisingly low here!

The minis do look very nice, and the prices are OK too, but...

An IndieNoGo Flexible Funding campaign out of China?

I wish you the best of luck though!

Here is announcement :

We will not used the fund to go on production if the goal is not met $ 25000 . We comfirm it for sure
We need your help to make this happen .Thanks .

Tz

I think that Alpharius sort of tells the truth. An IGG campaign out of China with flexible funding.

I will say the concept for these looks excellent.. Undead Samurai, looks tremendously cool! This could be a great option for one of the many undead players (for Fantasy, or KoW) that wants something different to the norm.

And obviously they have a talented sculptor.

DarkHammerMiniature - will you show any more pictures of the 'Undead Samurai' ? Would love to see some pictures of the front of the miniature.

Also, when you will you show the 'light infantry' ?

grefven wrote:
I think that Alpharius sort of tells the truth. An IGG campaign out of China with flexible funding.

Our fans come from all over the world .They have good review from our miniatures .We choose flexible funding doesn't mean anythings .We already said if goal not reach the $ 25000 we don't do that .Thanks .


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 Pacific wrote:
I will say the concept for these looks excellent.. Undead Samurai, looks tremendously cool! This could be a great option for one of the many undead players (for Fantasy, or KoW) that wants something different to the norm.

And obviously they have a talented sculptor.

DarkHammerMiniature - will you show any more pictures of the 'Undead Samurai' ? Would love to see some pictures of the front of the miniature.

Also, when you will you show the 'light infantry' ?

Thanks for the kind word . We have timetable .When we have we will update it .
You can check our website to see undead samurai in Gallery .

Thanks again

Tz

 Alpharius wrote:
The minis do look very nice, and the prices are OK too, but...

An IndieNoGo Flexible Funding campaign out of China?

I wish you the best of luck though!

Remnants of Maelstrom games doing a kickstarter is fine, though! Right?

On a serious note, I've seen positive reviews by individuals on this board about the models so I don't think fulfillment would be an issue, Kickstarter might have been a better idea in terms of coverage and larger userbase though.

I had a number of conversations with DarkHammer when their undead samurai horseman went on sale many months ago. They were responsive, kind, and seemed credible. Never bought in though due to an onslaught of kickstarters that took my attention and money.

The fact that they have started this campaign after getting established in the industry should help boost their credibility a lot. If anyone is put off because they see the word China I feel very sorry for them.

Btw, I'm no cheerleader. I won't even be buying in but only because undead don't interest me much. I just get so annoyed by people who automatically associate China with being swindled. I lived in Korea for years where Koreans today joke about everything 'made in china' forgetting they used to have the same reputation for their knock-off cars and Gucci bags in the 80s and 90s. Borderline racism. Period.

Examine the product and the company. Be a smart shopper, as you would with any company from any other country.

But are you saying you'll refund everyone if 25K is not met? Why not cancel the campaign and relaunch it as a Fixed Funding one, if so?

I actually trust you, but selecting Flexible Funding does make it seem riskier; it would be good to alleviate that.

greywulf wrote:
. Borderline racism. Period.

Don't conflate proverbial wisdom with racism. China has a bad reputation, just like Russia, because a lot of scams originate from there. There's a reason most recasts and knock off models come from those two countries.

On the plus side, DarkHammer has been around for a bit, and has an established reputation for quality. I am quite tempted to pledge a little myself, which is a very dangerous thing! I'll be keeping an eye on it in either case, and hope it does really well.

Now that Most people perfer fixed funding ,We would like to launch New Fixed Funding campaign .But Indigogo has rule that we can't cancel a running campaign.But we can lauch the new one by fixed funding .We would like to know how many people encourage us to do so .
Thanks
Tz

Fixed funding would convince me to go with the $100 pledge. Currently (with the flexible funding) this is out of the question for me.

I will also echo the advice on getting the text rewritten. Bad grammar, spelling and punctuation look unprofessional and WILL deter people who otherwise would have pledged. It's like business dress code: Sure, your Hawaii shirt and short pants will suffice for a trip to the mall, but would you expect a potential customer to trust somebody who was dressed like that? Get your text looked at by somebody, I'm sure plenty of people would even do it for the models instead of money.

 Allod wrote:
Fixed funding would convince me to go with the $100 pledge. Currently (with the flexible funding) this is out of the question for me.

I will also echo the advice on getting the text rewritten. Bad grammar, spelling and punctuation look unprofessional and WILL deter people who otherwise would have pledged. It's like business dress code: Sure, your Hawaii shirt and short pants will suffice for a trip to the mall, but would you expect a potential customer to trust somebody who was dressed like that? Get your text looked at by somebody, I'm sure plenty of people would even do it for the models instead of money.

I know I would!

You guys are using Indiegogo. That's a complete show stopper for me.

Mind, lots of people will find absolutely nothing wrong with Indiegogo, but I've had a very bad experience with them. And that turned me off Indiegogo for good.

gohkm wrote:
You guys are using Indiegogo. That's a complete show stopper for me.

Mind, lots of people will find absolutely nothing wrong with Indiegogo, but I've had a very bad experience with them. And that turned me off Indiegogo for good.

Seconded. I'm very happy with your product, I really like some of the concept sketches for some of the upcoming units and would likely back this if it were a Kickstarter. I have no experience with Indiegogo, I have heard more negatives about it than KS, which coupled with my own inexperience of it makes it a real barrier for me.

If anyone is able to put mine (and evidently others) mind at rest about IGG, I'll happily listen!

I would recommend Kickstrter too. They seem to get a LOT more traffic, and many people have used them.

Also, I'll throw my hat in for English editing if it can wait till the end of the semester (about 3-4 weeks.) Or I can just edit Alf

 Wehrkind wrote:
I would recommend Kickstrter too. They seem to get a LOT more traffic, and many people have used them.

Also, I'll throw my hat in for English editing if it can wait till the end of the semester (about 3-4 weeks.) Or I can just edit Alf

I ninjad the pair of you by a full day.

And I speak real English.

Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

 Wehrkind wrote:
Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

Yet only, what, 300 years of practice?

Between us though, that's like 1500 years of practice! I have seen the stuff your little island was writing in 500 AD, and brother, it isn't "English" by any stretch!

I will forego a witty rejoinder in order to not drag the thread any further off topic.

You limeys are polite, I'll give you that!

I actually hope DarkHammer decides to go with Kickstarter though. I think it will be MUCH more successful for him, and I really hope for the best. They make some great models, arguably a lot better than most things you see these days.

Doesn't KS have some sort of location requirement for where the company is based?

If I haven't misremembered that from somewhere, then being based in China might be a limit on their choices.

Oh, that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Of course many US companies do their production in China, so maybe one would just need an American partner?

azreal13 wrote:Doesn't KS have some sort of location requirement for where the company is based?

If I haven't misremembered that from somewhere, then being based in China might be a limit on their choices.

Wehrkind wrote:Oh, that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. Of course many US companies do their production in China, so maybe one would just need an American partner?

Yes, they'd need a US/UK/CAN bank account to be able to run one; ideally a US based one as $ always does better.

@Wehrkind and azreal13 Thanks so much for the kind word .We really appreciate that . We though The IGG and KS are same thing .But for us the KS has more limitation .Such as American or American company .We are living in china .So that is limitation .The reason why we do the project wherever in IGG or KS is making miniatures get more and more expensive .If the cost get expensive .Then we sale price will be higher .That is not what we want to do it .We want our miniatures have acceptable price for everyone .

Those days we discuss this project here .We really appreciate those comments .We hope you guys can trust us .That do it toghter .And we promise we will return you guys with good quality miniatures that we both love it .

About IGG funding way .Now some of people already baked . we can't cancel the running campaign .If your guys can trust us .Let us make it toghter to make this goal .We already statement we will not take the money if the goal is not met $25000 .
Also that statement on here and IGG page .That is evidence .And prove .

Thanks for understanding .

Tz

This is size compare .Thanks guys .Need you help to make this happen for the project .

That scale comparison is bad ass. Seriously. Awesome.

I pledged for $100. I probably shouldn't have, since I still have hundreds of Mantic undead left to paint.

But those models are amazing. I can't wait to use this stuff for a Oriental Zombie Survival Horror campaign.

We launch undead regiment part one on indiegogo .That can make delivery in shortly .You guys don’t need to wait for a long time to get your miniatures .Also we can manage it well to control quality for every production .Our standard is to provide high quality miniatures to the clients .Make customer happy . Now this undead regiment part one delivery can be in Feb.2014. Soon your guys can get the high quality miniatures with good price .So join in this funding that is good choice to follow our miniatures .Again thanks for all the supporting as return we will make the high quality miniatures with good price for you guys .

Fixed Funding

Link:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-part-one/x/5247785

Thanks

Tz

You know, now that I've assembled and cleaned my Bloodlust Tyrant, I've got no idea on how to paint it.

Perhaps Darkhammer Miniatures might consider employing a top-notch painter to do their miniatures justice? It might bring a lot more people into the Indiegogo campaign - a picture speaks a thousand words, after all, especially if it's a painted miniature.

First! Wait, what happened, why is it just me? So you restarted the campaign?

It looks like it is now fixed funding where I am sure it was flexible funding instead.

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
We already statement we will not take the money if the goal is not met $25000 .

I think there's a fatal flaw with your plan to refund people if the campaign fails to reach $25,000, with flexible funding campaigns on IndieGoGo they actually take a total of 9% of the amount raised as their fee even if the campaign manages to fail. (If the campaign succeeds though IndieGoGo only takes 4%.)

Which means if you're still planning to refund backers and this campaign does unfortunately fall short of hitting 25k, then you will need to either refund each person 9% less than what they originally payed. Or you will need to take a personal hit and refund that 9% difference to each person out of your own pocket. (Which if the campaign ended right now at 3.8k would be close to $340...)

Denilsta wrote:It looks like it is now fixed funding where I am sure it was flexible funding instead.

As Darkhammer stated in a previous post, Indiegogo does not allow closure of existing campains, and after advice on this forum they've started a second campaign with fixed funding.

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
Fixed Funding

Link:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/undead-regiment-part-one/x/5247785

Thanks

Tz

Well, cool that you guys listened to feedback here! But what happens to the nearly 4K already raised in the other campaign? Is it still ongoing, and just "to be cancelled" if it doesn't reach 25K? Or are you already refunding folks there, and directing them to the new campaign?

A shame that those awesome fast attack concepts in the prior one didn't make it into this one, but it makes sense that you can deliver on this sooner, and then fund those later.

Also, awesome size comparison shot below!

 DarkHammerMiniature wrote:
This is size compare .Thanks guys .Need you help to make this happen for the project .

 Scrub wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The minis do look very nice, and the prices are OK too, but...

An IndieNoGo Flexible Funding campaign out of China?

I wish you the best of luck though!

Remnants of Maelstrom games doing a kickstarter is fine, though! Right?

Yeah, apparently it was. Twice.

Anyway, it looks as if the masses have spoken and positive (ish) changes have happened.

Though some questions remain.

Again, best of luck here!

Oh the irony.

It would have been the Fast Attack I would have backed this for, and I would happily have thrown some money at a fixed funding campaign.

Alas, it does not look like it will happen this time, but I await the next campaign eagerly.

So why again is a fixed funding campaign with a low 2,000$ safer, when the other already got 4000$ ?
And what does the official "no production below 25k$" announcement mean, when a fixed 2k campaign is started immediately after the announcement?

azreal13 wrote:And I speak real English.

Blimey!

Wehrkind wrote:Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

But 30% of those votes were done out of politeness, because the Chinese and Mexicans didn't know what was asked

That's right, we have more people voting for Spanglish and Chinglish than those Brits even have for their own language I think the proverbial ship has sailed

 Kroothawk wrote:
So why again is a fixed funding campaign with a low 2,000$ safer, when the other already got 4000$ ?
And what does the official "no production below 25k$" announcement mean, when a fixed 2k campaign is started immediately after the announcement?

Agreed, it's pretty confusing here! Two campaigns running simultaneously, and the funds have already come out from the first.

Can you try contacting IndieGoGo and asking them to cancel one of the campaigns, DarkHammer? 2 going at once is not good...

Yeah, I feel stupid being the only backer in the other one!

I'm confused now, is this still a thing? Are both campaigns avalaible still? I'm tempted because of an Asian mythology themed RPG I wanted to run, but this doesn't seem to get any further?

I would be all for this as a kickstarter. As an Inidgogo I will probably wait until they hit stores.

Well, this was a curious project to follow. Although it started out as a well-conceived campaign to expand the portfolio of a small but tested miniature producer, insufficient knowledge of Indiegogo as a crowd funding platform or at least bad internal communication led it to stumble over the starting line and again when it came to crisis management. Bad press brought on by the first stumble and by an audience not familiar with the limits on Kickstarter made matters worse.

The first choice, to go on Indiegogo with a US$25 000 campaign sounded like an ambitious but reasonable one. Relying on freelancers for their 3D masters, (the last three being made by the great Ni-Vanuatu-turned-French artist Fancagne Didier) I’m guessing that getting the masters are the single most expensive part of their operation with their wide range of models, necessitating them to rise all before they could hope to get the bundles into production.

As it seems this was not known by the guy responsible for initiating the Indiegogo campaign as he went with the flexible funding option which was both more expensive than the fixed one (9 % if you don’t succed + 3 % credit card fee + PayPal fee vs PayPal fee only) and left the audience with the impression that something was odd. Despite this, money was running and by day two and about $ 4000 in they started crisis management by stressing that it was in fact a fixed funding campaign.

By day three they decided to step up the crisis management with a second fixed funding campaign with a limited number of sculpts, and by day four it was up and running with a $ 2000 limit. With a few of the masters probably already under way, this looked like a conservative and prudent move in an uncertain environment.

But then the initial mistake was topped by a second one. The only reasonable thing to do would have been to do damage control by declaring the first campaign to be de facto cancelled (as Indiegogo did not allow it to be cancelled on their platform), remove all links from their homepage and go public with a statement that a mistake had been made and would be rectified. Instead they decided to abort crisis management, riding both horses with the inevitable result that both campaigns were lost and increasing the money lost on the first one.

Hopefully the combination of the failed Indiegogo campaign and a way too heavy discount won’t set them back too much and that we can expect the rest of the concepts turned into sculpts eventually. As I write this, I see that Didier is still working on the Soul Reaper. That, at least, is a good sign.

Cool to know who the sculptor is, thanks havre!

Amazing models, I would definitely donate if the campaigns were still running.

Real shame, as there were definitely some stunning looking sculpts in this project. Hopefully it will still manage to get off the ground in one form or another.

Wow, Indiegogo really sucks, I haven't had a single message regarding the project even finishing yet a crapload of their stupid Indiegogo spam!
So what happens with the pledges now? I went the fixed funding one, yet received no refund?

No money is charged from your credit card in a fixed one unless the goal is reached. So you don't receive a refund since no money should be charged.

It was charged at the time of pledging.

Joyboozer wrote:
It was charged at the time of pledging.

Have you tried messaging the campaign creator directly, or IndiGoGo?

How long ago did the campaign end ? this is what indiegogo says

Fixed Funding campaigns

Contributions made to any fixed funding campaign will be refunded in full if the campaign has not met its funding goal by its deadline. Contributors will receive these refunds in their PayPal account within 5 days after the campaign's end.

Ah, cheers missed that bit. Looks like the minis i pledged for are now available for sale anyway. Oh no, a proper retail purchase, how do they work again!

Is it the same range that was available from the shop previously (on this link? http://www.darkhammerminiature.com/shop.html)

That Undead Samurai looks lovely, hopefully the Light infantry unit will be available soon.

All lovely sculpts, but I keep wondering why they will not fix their wonky translations and myriad of typos. I can't be the only one who thinks that if they are not professional enough to avoid selling a "limilted edtion", how could I expect them to be professional enough to send me their products quickly and securely? If they can not be bothered to proof-read their site, can they be bothered to control the quality of the products they send out? Also, a word of explanation regarding the outcome of their two kickstarters in the places they advertised on (e.g. here) would not have hurt, either.

I would have liked to pledge but was slightly sceptical before - now I'm VERY sceptical. Not sure they're doing themselves a service here.

They're not writing in their first language, so while it doesn't excuse typos and misspellings, it might go somewhat towards explaining why they're happening.

As for the product, I can only speak as I find in that regard, but my Blood Tyrant arrived well packaged, well cast and, perhaps more unusually for some of the smaller manufacturers, with apparently some thought put into how the components were broken down for assembly, minimising any visible joins between pieces etc.

I shared a number of your reservations about the crowd funding, which is why I didn't back it, despite there being some concepts in the first project I would dearly have loved (the 'Fast Attack' unit if you're reading DHM, you can produce them as soon as possible please!) but my experiences with dealing with them directly means I pre ordered the Soul Reaper without hesitation or reservation.

I'm really sorry for the necro, but does anyone know what the feth has happened to Dark hammer miniatures?

Their website is completely dead, and i just checked the Indiegogo page along with their Facebook and it appears they never bothered refunding the $5,000 they raised. They had such an amazing and promising range, that I'm just completely shocked that they decided to screw over the people who supported them.

This is all based on my own speculation, but I know enough to read between the lines a little bit. Apply salt as you feel fit.

I very much doubt they decided to screw anyone over. Despite the way many posters react on here when a company goes out of business, deliberate fraud is, thankfully, relatively uncommon in the grand scheme, and it is far more frequently incompetence or outside forces that cause a business to close it's doors.

That said, the warning signs were there in the first Indiegogo campaign, if you apply the standard "if it looks too good to be true, it usually is" mantra. They were offering ludicrous deals to backers, and that was after offering some extraordinary deals to existing customers around this time last year (again, pay us now for something in a few months.) Now many, myself included, did get our models from that offer but it was a difficult birth, they were much later than promised and there was no outgoing comms from DH towards the end of that.

All this behaviour suggests that they had terrible cash flow, and we're doing stuff to try and get money ASAP in the hope that they'd be able to catch up with increased orders etc.. further down the line.

Trading on the basis of orders you might receive in the future is a horrible way to do business, and I suspect it caught up with them. The fact is, I doubt they had the $5000 to give back, because I suspect that it went to pay some rather pressing bills as soon as it got pledged.

Like I say, all speculation on my part, but they way they acted was far from unique, so it is quite easy to follow.

They shouldn't be criticised for trying and failing, but they really shouldn't have acted the way they have in going dark, even an announcement to say "we are now out of business, sorry" would be something.

I have got a bunch of their minis going spare if anyone wants some though!

How big were these figures? They looked pretty cool.

I'll admit, I almost jumped on this one, but I caught this thread and decided to wait until more figures were released.

Maybe I'll go track some down to check them out. A shame really.

I actually ended up receiving my "dark hammer bag" deal, which was rather shocking, as did quite a few posters on here. I was thrilled with the models... but yeah, the company was so sketchy regarding communication (i.e. none) and timelines that I would never risk dealing with them directly again.

Although, Paypal's new 180 filing window will help dealing with a foreign company with a long preorder window like this one used... but for those who backed the IndieGoGo I think there is probably no chance at restitution. That's why I stayed away from the campaign, it was too confused and didn't seem plausible.

But they did deliver great models to quite a few of us, for a very low price... high risk high reward, I guess

There were still some minis doing the rounds on auctioneering websites when I last looked recently, and I think there were even some vendors that had some for sale.

Shame they didn't carry on, there were some really nice ideas. The characters were great, of course there is nothing to stop someone getting some of those and then making up 'rank and file' using the Wargames Factory samurai and skeleton kits mixed up, or something similar.

Yeah, a few of the concept sketches from the first indiegogo really caught my attention, I guess not having the cash to back it at the time was a blessing.

@Highlord The models are a decent size - I'm using their Undead Samurai as Plague Drones counts as and they fill a 60mm base quite comfortably, the more monstrous stuff is roughly equivalent to the GW Daemon Prince without wings, and then things like the Monk are a large 30mm infantry size, would make a good unit leader type in the right squad.

Good to know.

The hunt shall begin!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Good to know.

The hunt shall begin!

I know of a few unreputable places to find a few of these.

A shame they went under - the sculpts were pretty unique!

Just picked up the Monk with a Thousand Hands and Soul Reaper for $25 total delivered on ebay. Anyone know a good spot to get the samurai and blood tyrant on the cheapish?

I also got one of the long-waited-for bags. So, that means I have more of the minis than I need. I'm totally willing to offer them to a couple people at a fair rate. Hit me up.

Drazz, what's the deal with the bags? Was it a grab bag of figures? If you have a tyrant for sale/trade, I'd be interested. Thanks!

Sorry for the delay.

The bags were (I think) a packaged deal for three each of three models (9 total). There was the samurai, monk of a thousand hands, and bloodlust tyrant. Each box was a set deal, really low price, but insanely long wait and no communication during the entire process.

I do indeed have a tyrant. I have yet to put any of them together...

Here's a look:

There was the Soul Reaper? in the bag too, the big dragony guy with the scythe.

Edit

This guy..

Ah, yes I believe he was. I'll take a real look and maybe a pic tonight.