Knight Models just postet this beauty on their Facebook page.



Oh, and Wolverine too.

Yes it is going to be a Miniature Game of Superheros, we are in testing time... soon it is going to appears at the end of the year

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I'm in love with this. The 70mm miniatures from Knight Models are wonderful, but I don't have much interest in painting miniatures that are so much larger than anything else I own and can't use in a game. I love their Batman line and I can't wait to see what's next.



I'll just keep the 1st page updated for new readers:

The Iron Man is really nice!

Uh oh!

And I was considering unloading all of my Knight Models Batman miniature stuff...

If this system is compatible with that one (and why wouldn't it be?) - wow!

Of course, the Batman stuff will be somewhat 'underpowered' compared to the Marvel stuff, but still - wow!

Just when I thought I'd almost got all the gaming minis I wanted, and was closing in on my long term, phase two goal of just buying bits and pieces for display.

Fethers.

 Alpharius wrote:
If this system is compatible with that one (and why wouldn't it be?) - wow!

Their Watchmen miniatures also come with rules for the Batman game, don't they?

Oh, hell...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Oh, hell...

My thoughts exactly. I've managed to resist the Batman and LOTR ones so far but it's not like I can't buy these.

Well, I managed to resist the 70mm ones because I wouldn't be able to survive the basepaint process without an airbrush and their price.

Right now, I believe I can resume everything down to a single word: Feth.

I'm so happy right now

Hmmm, torn on this.

Iron Man is a character I've got no real interest in but a really nice model (even with obligatory foot on rock).

Wolverine is a fave character of mine but not a great sculpt.


Ahh who am I kidding - it's Wolverine, I'll be buying it.

That Wolverine sculpt looks pretty ace to me...

These are great, and I really enjoy the idea of a Superhero game. I'll be picking up quite a few of these releases rather than the Batman one, which doesn't appeal to me in the same way. Good stuff.

 Alpharius wrote:
That Wolverine sculpt looks pretty ace to me...

Really? It's all the upper body and arm musculature - it looks more like Colossus than Logan to me. And the more I look at it, the less I undersand what the crease above his pecs is supposed to be.

But hey, I'll still be looking to buy it.

 Alpharius wrote:
That Wolverine sculpt looks pretty ace to me...

Agreed. I think the sculpt is good, I think the paint job, while technically good, is too 'comic book' and clean for my tastes. I would (will) probably go for some less saturated colours, perhaps even an alternate costume colour (although I know the yellow and blue is traditional) to try and make him look more grounded in reality rather than lifted off the page.

Plus, for the scale it is in, it is really quite nice!

I'll be keeping an eye on this, even if it's just for display.

I've held off on Batman for now (Prices are a bit steep for me), but this may be the tipping point.

Didn't they also release a Man of Steel model at the back end of last year? If so, and if there are comparable rules, I can finally prove that Thor beats Supes... And then Bat can own everyone.

 Paradigm wrote:
I'll be keeping an eye on this, even if it's just for display.

I've held off on Batman for now (Prices are a bit steep for me), but this may be the tipping point.

Didn't they also release a Man of Steel model at the back end of last year? If so, and if there are comparable rules, I can finally prove that Thor beats Supes... And then Bat can own everyone.

Sadly, didn't Superman knock out Thor in the JLA/Avengers crossover?

No idea, I've not seen that crossover. However, it's irrelevant whether or not Superman could knock out Thor, as all Thor has to do is drop his hammer on Superman and he can't lift it. That gives Thor time to call up the Hulk and the fun can really start.

Damn it

If only they were 28-30mm scale like the rest of my mini collection I wouldn't have any hesitation in buying them even at big prices.

How do the batman minis compare size wise with hasslefree infinity etc?

Even if they don't scale right I'll have to pick up every wolverine mini they make :(

 JoeRugby wrote:
Damn it

If only they were 28-30mm scale like the rest of my mini collection I wouldn't have any hesitation in buying them even at big prices.

They pretty much are?

They just aren't grossly 'heroically proportioned' (ironically enough)!

 Alpharius wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Damn it

If only they were 28-30mm scale like the rest of my mini collection I wouldn't have any hesitation in buying them even at big prices.

They pretty much are?

They just aren't grossly 'heroically proportioned' (ironically enough)!

Time to google for a batman size comparison pic methinks, it shouldn't But it will bug me if wolverine is taller than, the modern 28/30mm minis I've got.

 Alpharius wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Damn it

If only they were 28-30mm scale like the rest of my mini collection I wouldn't have any hesitation in buying them even at big prices.

They pretty much are?

They just aren't grossly 'heroically proportioned' (ironically enough)!

I'm not sure, to be honest. I recently painted a 35mm fig for a friend and it towered over my 40k/DZ/lotr stuff. Might not be an issue, though, as these guys, fluff wise, are generally pretty large. I can easily see the likes of Thor, Colossus, The Thing and such fitting in fine. ,

Found these

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZMafB-lG7aA/TRAeJGpTzeI/AAAAAAAAANk/Xrcgj3SK3Yk/s1600/infantry.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8KWiahiHFYQ/ULuZnV1u5LI/AAAAAAAAG9Q/AaXm3RQjNSs/s1600/5756027.jpg

At the moment their looking too tall for the rest of my collection. If I wasn't so OCD about wanting my collection to be similar scale then I'd have a geekasm and buy everyone of them.

Though as paradigm said for the very tall guys Thor Etc might not be an issue unless their 40-45mm because the normal guys are 35mm

I was just able to resist DC... not so sure with Marvel. If Deadpool shows up, the urge to do a Deadpool/Harley team up might be too great, especially if there is a traditional Harley not the Computer game version.

Oh wow I've only just been holding out on the DC minis but with Marvel I'll have no chance and if both games are compatible which I hope they are

Paradigm wrote:No idea, I've not seen that crossover. However, it's irrelevant whether or not Superman could knock out Thor, as all Thor has to do is drop his hammer on Superman and he can't lift it. That gives Thor time to call up the Hulk and the fun can really start.

I'd think that if there is a person "worthy" of wielding Mjolnir it's Superman.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I was just able to resist DC... not so sure with Marvel. If Deadpool shows up, the urge to do a Deadpool/Harley team up might be too great, especially if there is a traditional Harley not the Computer game version.

You mean this one?


I'd say, giving his popularity I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 'pool among the first 10 hero miniatures.

Now I want a team up of that Iron Man and the DKR Batman fighting allsorts..

...all the one-liners...

And Deadpool Vs. Deathstroke...

Come on Sinister Six! :p

 azreal13 wrote:
Just when I thought I'd almost got all the gaming minis I wanted, and was closing in on my long term, phase two goal of just buying bits and pieces for display.

It's not fair.

Would love to have a .H.Y.D.R.A team

And would also love this mini:



Yes that is Monster-Ock (Carnage and Doc-Ock combined)..

I'd prefer Superior Venom if we're going to wishlist for Spidey/Doc Ock mashups...

Assuming they have rights to the whole of Marvel, this would be my wishlist:

Iron Man
Captain America
Thor
Hulk
Ghost Rider
Deadpool
Wolverine
Spiderman

And for the baddies

Dr Doom
Thanos
Kang
Ultron
Loki
Green Goblin
Venom

Stuff like SHIELD/HYDRA/AIM agents would also be cool for some backup on either side. Maybe even Kree/Skrulls/Shi'ar down the line. The possibilities for this one are practically endless.

A Sinister Six Box set would be sweet.

I'd kill for MYSTERIO to make an appearance!

I really hope that there's some level of organisation with the Marvel release. As nice as they are, the Arkham releases have been quite slapdash (Look at all this Arkham City stuff... except now here's Bane and Batman from TDKR... and some more Arkham City, and now some random Arkham Asylum models... and more Arkham City... but now Arkham Origins!). To put it another way, they need to do sets.

1. Avengers (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Widow, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Wasp).
2. X-Men (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Beast, Colossus, Angel, Ice Man, Shadow Cat, Rogue, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Professor X, Storm).
3. AIM/Hydra packs (generic soldiers).
4. Sinister Six (including Mr. Fishbowl-Head).
5. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (Magneto, Blob, Toad, Mystique, Sabertooth, Pyro).

... and make it an organised game, rather than a bunch of fancy miniature releases with no solid brand and rules as an afterthought.

Considering how the release of the Batman minis went, I'm afraid we'll see some (awesome) miniatures based on the Marvel Marvel movies and some less interesting ones based on the Fox/Sony Marvel movies, like Electro in a hoodie.

That sounds like a great idea to me!

Yeah. I just have this feeling that the realse will be:

Comics Iron-Man, Wolverine, part of the Fantastic Four and... oh Cap 2's out? Ok, here's MCU Captain America and Widow and Winter Soldier and... sugar rush ended... back to comic book Thor, and Doctor Doom, the rest of the Fantastic Four and... oh! Days of Future Past! Here's movie Wolverine, and Magneto, and Jennifer Lawrence Mystique... and sugar rush over... and... here's comic Mystique and Magneto, and some random AIM guys... and OH! Guardians of the Galaxy just came out...

And so on.

One cannot design a release schedule whilst suffering crippling ADHD.

I would totally buy all the GotG minis though and try to sneak them into my 40k games.

I just hope they make models of two of the next wave Marvel movie characters; the Vision and Doctor Strange. They've always been favorites of mine.

And Beta Ray Bill. But that may be asking too much.

Why is it always Wolverine's blue and yellow costume? Never the Clan Yoshida colors.

 Lordhat wrote:
Why is it always Wolverine's blue and yellow costume? Never the Clan Yoshida colors.

Because the Blue and Yellow one is the one most comic fans will recognise immediately. Looking at the Batman range, we'll certainly be getting multiple versions, so I wouldn't panic.

Blue and yellow is fine, although I'd definitely prefer the yellow and brown. Feels more iconic- the B&Y feels more fanboy colored. I don't have any reason to back that up, just how it feels to me.

My top choices: Deadpool, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Captain America and Hawkeye. After that, I don't feel the need to be greedy.

 Alpharius wrote:
That Wolverine sculpt looks pretty ace to me...

Agreed.
I'd even go so far as to say that, out of all the Wolverine models I've seen, that he's the best there is.

Also the guys at my Wargames society were stating that they were planning on making an x-Men skirmish game? Is there any actual evidence for that? Or was it just wish listing?

Also also, is it bad that the only model I really want (and therefore want rules for) is legion? A guy who for all intents and purposes looks like a skinny white dude in orange hammer pants, with a huge column of hair?

an Xmen skirmish game is wish listing

a more general 'superheroe's' game looks a reasonable bet

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Blue and yellow is fine, although I'd definitely prefer the yellow and brown. Feels more iconic- the B&Y feels more fanboy colored. I don't have any reason to back that up, just how it feels to me.

Blue and Yellow is also 'First Appearance' Wolverine - though thankfully they didn't also go the short ears and whiskers route - so if anything, the Yellow and Brown if the more "Fanboy Colored" choice.

Though, as previously mentioned, the way KM works, we'll be getting them all eventually - including white tank top Movie Wolverine, I'm sure!

and for a more in depth look at the sartorial changes made by everybodys favourite angry Canadian




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personally I'm waiting for mr 1996

Would love them to do a doomsday model as my son loves Marvel whilst I prefer DC and we can have a Doomsday Vs Hulk show down!

I'd really want Whirlwind, Ms Marvel, Ultron and the Russian Dynamo.

yukihyou wrote:
I'd really want Whirlwind, Ms Marvel, Ultron and the Russian Dynamo.

I predict that you'll eventually be 50% satisfied!

Very very interesting

Well I am looking hard at the Iron Man and Wolverine minis - as they would be cool - although I have Heroclix ones............

Also def want (but less likely to get )

White Queen, Magik.......

OK, if we're going to wishlist, sure - I'll take this version of Magik, please:

If I don't get a Squirrel Girl mini I am going to be severely disappointed.

 Zefig wrote:
If I don't get a Squirrel Girl mini I am going to be severely disappointed.

I'm more concerned that we might not get her arch-rival, Dr. Doom!

 Zefig wrote:
If I don't get a Squirrel Girl mini I am going to be severely disappointed.

Hmm, she's taken on Doom, Thanos, Abomination and most of AIM single handed, going by the comics... I think she might be a little OP to throw into a skirmish game. Maybe if it were a mass battle system

Actually, the whole of the Great Lakes Avengers would make some hilarious minis.

Onto Marvel and still not had Swamp Thing yet :(

 Paradigm wrote:

 Zefig wrote:
If I don't get a Squirrel Girl mini I am going to be severely disappointed.

Hmm, she's taken on Doom, Thanos, Abomination and most of AIM single handed, going by the comics... I think she might be a little OP to throw into a skirmish game. Maybe if it were a mass battle system

Actually, the whole of the Great Lakes Avengers would make some hilarious minis.

Actually...they might all be a bit OP. I mean, a unit that can't die? Another that can let his team go through any terrain (with a possible upgrade to being Death)? Yeah, these guys might just be TOO GOOD to fit in well with all these other 2-bit heroes.

 Zefig wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

 Zefig wrote:
If I don't get a Squirrel Girl mini I am going to be severely disappointed.

Hmm, she's taken on Doom, Thanos, Abomination and most of AIM single handed, going by the comics... I think she might be a little OP to throw into a skirmish game. Maybe if it were a mass battle system

Actually, the whole of the Great Lakes Avengers would make some hilarious minis.

Actually...they might all be a bit OP. I mean, a unit that can't die? Another that can let his team go through any terrain (with a possible upgrade to being Death)? Yeah, these guys might just be TOO GOOD to fit in well with all these other 2-bit heroes.

Not to mention a guy that can only be seen head-on, a woman that becomes an immovable object, and the world-record holder for the shortest membership on any team. (ok, maybe not the last one, but it's just stuck me how powerful the GLA could be if they weren't so incompetent.)

 Alpharius wrote:
OK, if we're going to wishlist, sure - I'll take this version of Magik, please:

Not sure about her sword but the rest is great

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm, she's taken on Doom, Thanos, Abomination and most of AIM single handed, going by the comics... I think she might be a little OP to throw into a skirmish game. Maybe if it were a mass battle system

"Ok, my list is Doctor Doom, Thanos, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Mephisto, Blackheart, Baron Mordo, Loki and, because I had the points, two different versions of Ultron."
"I've got Squirrel Girl."
"Damn WAAC player!!!"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Hmm, she's taken on Doom, Thanos, Abomination and most of AIM single handed, going by the comics... I think she might be a little OP to throw into a skirmish game. Maybe if it were a mass battle system

"Ok, my list is Doctor Doom, Thanos, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Mephisto, Blackheart, Baron Mordo, Loki and, because I had the points, two different versions of Ultron."
"I've got Squirrel Girl."
"Damn WAAC player!!!"

Hahahahahahaha!

Whislisting already? Sure, why not.

I think of all the Marvel teams, I would've the most fun painting and fielding the X-Men. Nightcrawler, Beast, Colossus. I don't even care which version, as long as they're not all wearing black leather.

GAMBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure wish listing, backed up solely by the evidence in my head

ahzek wrote:
GAMBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure wish listing, backed up solely by the evidence in my head

Does anyone else here really care if we get a clone of Sinister? No? Ok, good. Move along.

Speedball because I want to paint obnoxious colors. Or slapstick and let's not forget Howard the duck

And since it's marvel we should see groo the wanderer.

It is my hope that Knight Models have a real focus in mind if they do a Marvel Game*, at least for the initial couple waves of releases. Sadly given that the first models that they have shown here are from not only from two different teams they are from two different mediums**, I really doubt that is the case. This really puts me off to the actually picking this game up, at least at first***.

On to wish listing I really hope that they make the choice to start with a street level type of game focus going with the same relative power level as its DC cousin (with characters/groups like Spider Man, DareDevil, and the NYPD/FBI on one side and Electro, Kingpin, and the "Mob" on the other, with people like Frank Castle operating as free agents in between****) and then have them start branching out from there to cover the wider universe and the higher tiers of characters.


Notes:
*Like how they stated their DC/Batman game with an Arkham City focus.
**A Wolverine Sculpt taken from the comics versus an Iron Man Sculpt drawn from his cinematic iteration.
***Since it looks like they are willing to spend a year or so developing their Marvel/Superhero Miniatures Game, it dose really help to boost my confidence in the model lines lack of initial focus.
****Or Captain America operating along side Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos versus The Red Skull leading HYDRA. (Come to think of it a World War 2 Marvel skirmish game would be amazing!)
****Or The X-Men versus The Brotherhood of Mutants versus The Hellfire Club.
****Or Victor Von Doom versus the Fantastic Four.

So basically you don't want a Marvel Universe game; you want a Fantastic Four Game, a Hell's Kitchen game, a WWII game, and an X-Men game

 Goliath wrote:
So basically you don't want a Marvel Universe game; you want a Fantastic Four Game, a Hell's Kitchen game, a WWII game, and an X-Men game

No, more along the lines of a Marvel Universe game that starts as a Hell's Kitchen game (or an FF game, or a WW2 game) and over the course of time, with several waves of releases behind it, become a full Marvel universe game.

Much like how their Arkham City game has overtime morphed to become a wider Batman Game, and is currently on its way to becoming a DC Universe game; that from the looks of things will its self in time evolve to become a Superheroes Miniatures game with both Marvel and DC models.

 Collinsas wrote:
Sadly given that the first models that they have shown here are from not only from two different teams they are from two different mediums**,

Wolverine is an Avenger.

While I do get your point, I also get why they start out like this. You're not attracting a lot of customers with "Kingpin's goons vs. the NYPD". Wolverine and Iron Man on the other hand are popular as heck and therefore better to draw in more people. Also, I think the Batman (or Arkham) universe is a much better fit for a gang fight system. Bat-villians seem to have a lot more disposable goons than the usual Marvel villian.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a massive hit - it does make sense that they go for that.............

Still want my Magik though...............

Captain Britain, the Fury and the whole Jaspers continuum, please.

That'll do for starters.

I think we can all agree, as long as there's a Mysterio model, we'll be fine.

Ghost Rider and Thanos, please!

THANOS?

Ah...he might be a bit much!

Thanos I think may be a step to far (at least in the beginning), but I really want to see The Punisher, and the Ultimate Green Goblin.

 Alpharius wrote:
THANOS?

Ah...he might be a bit much!

I know, but I really want a nicely made Thanos figure. Maybe they can do a mix of game figures and prestige figures.

Galactacus? :p Silver Surfer? Mojo?!

I'll take the Classic Green Goblin - please!

I'll take a Scarlet Spider, please.

I'd like to see Longshot and one of the incarnations of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocolypse. And a Sentinel figure. Alpha Flight.

 Salacious Greed wrote:
Alpha Flight.

'Anada.

Well since its clear there doing X men by the Wolverine mini it's only right they bring in the Juggernaut to pound them them all to dust! The comics one not the movie one of course! That would be one hunk of metal that puts the Bane piece to shame.

Good call there - a Marvel Universe Juggernaut would be awesome!

especially if he had a removable helmet, and swappable heads to show the skullcap and barehead option

 Alpharius wrote:
I think we can all agree, as long as there's a Mysterio model, we'll be fine.

Everyone will live in fear of the great and mighty Fish Bowl Man.

Then all is as it should be!



I'll admit to having a soft spot for Jack O'Lantern too though!

Stilt-Man and Paste-Pot Pete for the win.

Age Of Apocalypse True FTW



Hands down one of the coolest series done. Sabertooth and Wild child, one handed Wolvie, a Sunfire that doesn't suck, Rad Zones,OMG the Sentinels. This alone could be a full game... Wish listing like a Mo'Fo'

If either Gambit or the Punisher are made then I am in. If both are made, well, gak, the little kid in me will likely explode from excitement.

 Alpharius wrote:
Then all is as it should be!



I'll admit to having a soft spot for Jack O'Lantern too though!

Oh gosh yes!!!


The pose of wolverine bothers me for some reason.

migooo wrote:
The pose of wolverine bothers me for some reason.

His face says constipation.

Either that or he just gak his pants. Sucks to have heightened smell now, don't it ya cover hogging canon sue?

I was going over this bit of news from the original post and Knight's own Facebook, and wanted to post my conclusions up here to get everyone's thoughts, my line of thinking all seemed logical enough to me.

Back when they started producing the ‘Batman Miniatures Game’, I started thinking the language of contained in Knight Model’s (KM) product license that they held with DC. I was wondering what their contract covered in terms of the products that they were and were not allowed to produce. I Concluded that, based upon the fact that they game the rule-set and any accompanying material away for free, they simply only held a license from DC produce models and aside from that, not really anything else.

At some point the staff at KM hit upon the idea (as most companies do) to create a game (I suspect to help them drive their sales), but as it seems that none of Knight’s license contracts actually covered Miniature War-games, they opted to publish the game as a free PDF rule set; thus not violating the terms of the license they held with DC, as made no profit sale of the game itself.

Then the announcement of a 'Superhero Miniature game' got me back to thinking about this situation, as far as what they can and cannot do with licensed goes. Can they make a game Marvel Game that is compatible with their DC game? Can I see if Iron Man could defeat Batman in a fight? Eventually I noticed that in the small announcement itself, they where only showing a new line 32mm Marvel models, but the announcement was actually for a "Superhero miniature game", not a Marvel game, much as it says in the title of this topic; but it just didn't click until I started giving it more thought.

So this leads me to believe when the game launches at the end of the year they are going to launch it with the sale of a Printed and Bound Rulebook of some sort that will be entirely IP agnostic, and that they may in turn also remove their Batman Core Rulebook PDF from download.

I think its a smart move on their part, and speaking for myself; should KM end up publishing a rulebook that both has a decent level of editing, and also keeps with the quality level of layout presented in either of the rule-sets that they produced for the ‘Batman Miniatures Game’, I will probably order it along with anything else they putting out.

Edit:
When I started to compose my thoughts I collected some of the data thought might be interesting to others:

(1) I’ll Open on my hypothesis that they are a relatively small company, based on their somewhat glitchy website, slow shipping at times and rate of releases.

(2) I looked up a sample marvel licensing contract that only allowed for use of the ‘X-Men’, which was drafted in 1999. It appears to have been written for a small scale operation that wanted to make novelty bottle openers and the like, among the details of the contract are the following:
-Required $40,000 ($55,932.05 in 2013 dollars) advance.
-10% royalty on every product sold.
-Minimum 5% net revenues to be spent on advertising.
-4 year terms of renewal.
-Explicitly states that licenser is only allowed to do what they have stated in there contract.
http://contracts.onecle.com/collectible/marvel.lic.1999.10.01.shtml

(3) Margret Wise Productions (what I consider to be a midsized RPG publishing house) in 2012 published 'Marvel Heroic Roleplaying' and sales of it very announced to be quite promising, during the course of the year they announced a number of expansion books, but after publishing a single supplement (again to reports of good sales) they announced that the sales line was not profitable enough to justify the continuing cost of the marvel license.
At GenCon last year they then went on to announce that they will be releasing a Generic Super Heroes RPG using the same mechanics they developed for Marvel Heroic Roleplaying, called simply ‘Heroic Roleplaying’.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/04/29/243400/

(4) Fantasy Flight recently (2012) started to produce Star Wars products, but cannot release PDFs of there products because Lucas Licensing considered that to be within the domain of a "Digital Gaming License", and forbade it, but FFG has been able to (after the previous license holder WOTC set the precedent) release PDF erratas and promotional material so long as they do not charge for it.

The conclusions I draw from this tell me that just a marvel gaming license is profoundly expensive to acquire and maintain, and from the language used by Knight, they have simply opted not to not do so. Although Knight has been able thus far (with DC, which I have not as extensively looked up, but expect to be a much cheaper license) via a loop hole much like the one FFG is using been able to put out a game.

I haven't played the Batman game yet, but from what I've read the game really seems to be made for the Batman franchise in particular. Thinks like planning your move in advance, the fact that it's always night, reputation points, etc.

So far they only made a handfull of DC characters not related to Batman and Green Arrow and Deathstroke still fit the bill perfectly for the setting. Bringing in Superman or a Lantern would need a new system just to make sure the power levels work.

I also do believe that they at least plan to bring out a print version of the Batman rulebook. Which I would buy. Because it's a Batman rulebook.

Does anyone know how the licencing issue worked back when Heroclix came out? I mean, they had Marvel and DC from the start.

Whilst there's some wishlisting going on; Deadpool and the Punisher for me please

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I haven't played the Batman game yet, but from what I've read the game really seems to be made for the Batman franchise in particular. Thinks like planning your move in advance, the fact that it's always night, reputation points, etc.

So far they only made a handfull of DC characters not related to Batman and Green Arrow and Deathstroke still fit the bill perfectly for the setting. Bringing in Superman or a Lantern would need a new system just to make sure the power levels work.

Didn't they already bring Superman in?

Did he not get rules, and just a miniature?

They made a Superman but he wasn't meant for the game, He didn't get any rules.

Not sure about actually playing a game, but I would buy quite a few of these just to paint. I'd want at least three versions of Spider-Man (Original, Symbiote, and Miles Morales).

Just not been loving their miniatures lately for some reason. I thought their Star Wars stuff was great. Maybe the attempts at characters you see so often in so many different media is putting me off.

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I haven't played the Batman game yet, but from what I've read the game really seems to be made for the Batman franchise in particular. Thinks like planning your move in advance, the fact that it's always night, reputation points, etc.

So far they only made a handfull of DC characters not related to Batman and Green Arrow and Deathstroke still fit the bill perfectly for the setting. Bringing in Superman or a Lantern would need a new system just to make sure the power levels work.

I also do believe that they at least plan to bring out a print version of the Batman rulebook. Which I would buy. Because it's a Batman rulebook.

Does anyone know how the licencing issue worked back when Heroclix came out? I mean, they had Marvel and DC from the start.

I am as about informed as anyone else on the status of Knights full licenses, but the fact that they stated with Marvel (and DC even before they made a batman game) it think lends credence to my theory that they lack a proper gaming license from either company. As far a the mechanics being well suited to batman, I do agree that they really are, but they are not so thematically tied that the core of the game's system cannot be extracted and used for a great generic "Supers" game, with plenty of tools to help manage power levels (like playing with the will power stat to rebalance the "balance of powers").

I thought this was interesting conversation with the rules writer from Knight from the Arkham City Limits Facebook page that is a little illuminating on what is to come, do note that I have edited it down a bit to keep on to the core topic:

Gustavo Adolfo Cuadrado Egea: Superheroes game it's on development, i'm very impressed that KM revelat it on their FB XD
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Steffen From Wifstrand: Gustavo, will it be compatible with the BMG? Like, can we play DC vs Marvel? The same way Privateer Press' Warmachine and Hordes are two separate games that play together.
Gustavo Adolfo Cuadrado Egea: Superheroes game will be a different game , with different stat for BMG miniatures
Ian Hendybadger Henderson: So it's Marvel AND DC together?
Henrik Becker: Why would you make it a different game? Much cooler to have DC vs Marvel, right?
Steffen From Wifstrand: Yeah it would be MUCH more sensible to use the same rules (if DC and Marvel allow it). Cross-compability would be much more reasonable. Please Gustavo, please please please look into this! Please!
Henrik Becker: OMG what about a face-off supplement? Pick a hero each, square off... that would be ace. Batman vs Iron Man!
Gustavo Adolfo Cuadrado Egea: I can't said nothing not closed yet
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Kris Burton: Is it just me or did anyone else read Gustavo's comment as they would be re-writing the existing stat cards for BMG models so that they could also be used in the Supers game?
Gustavo Adolfo Cuadrado Egea: NO there will be a new ones for use only in the other game. In the future we will conffirm everything now it's only a project on development

After having read this I do now agree it looks like I am indeed wrong about the potential of the 'Batman Miniature Game' being dropped shortly after the release of the new game, but still do not believe it will see a print release.

Edit: I edited my post above to include some of the data I pulled together when thinking about KM's game as it relates to use of licence.

That is some VERY interesting news!

Thanks for posting it here...

Now I am REALLY looking forward to this game!

They are planning a print release of BGM rules for this year. I know a few people who are working on it right now.

They're working on the graphics layout right now, as well as making sure the wording is translated properly from Spanish.

The rules are pretty solid as it stands right now, but they wanna make sure there's no problems with the terms (which there still is some even now) before they commit to print from what I've heard.

That sounds good, I prefer my rules in physical form.

My order arrived. Here's a size comparison for the Marvel minis next to an Arkham City clown and a GW Plague Marine. The Arkham minis are ridicoulusly tall. It's a good thing that Wolverine is on the shorter side, but now characters like the Joker stand taller than Iron Man.



A closer look at the Iron Man is a bit disapointing to be honest. The body looks good but the head and feet are less refined. It's difficult to distinguish modeling details from mold lines.




On a related note: Their 70mm Wolverine is a real to glue.

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
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That looks pretty shoddy TBH.

Are those slip marks on the thigh and shoulder, or just gaps in the armour plate?

I suspect this is a symptom of them trying to cast large numbers in limited time to meet initial demand, at least I hope it is, otherwise I won't be buying any in the future (and I'd prolly have bought them all eventually)

Looks like some metal texture issues in spots as well, like the earlier Confrontation metals.

A converted Infinity Janissary would probably look better.

 azreal13 wrote:

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 Anung Un Rama wrote:
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That looks pretty shoddy TBH.

Are those slip marks on the thigh and shoulder, or just gaps in the armour plate?

They're part of the model. But the helmet will be difficult to paint.

That looks a bit disappointing... I wish I had waited to order these.

I do like that the models are smaller so they better fit the rest of my collection; but It seems that Wolverine is still too tall, since he is only supposed to be 5'3", and I wish that the 'Iron Man' model would have been a bit bigger so it looks like Stark could actually fit inside the suit.

Thank you sir, for posting some pictures of the kits.

Wolverines height will depend on whether they paid for a comic or movie Universe licence

as the movie universe one has to be as tall as that Australian fella

And I think he's a robust 6'2" give or take?

And he does a fine job as Wolverine too!

Good call on Iron Man not being big enough, or bulky enough - the suit is armor, nor a latex form fitter!

I might be sticking with Pulp City for my Super Hero Mini Gaming...

The painted version does indeed look a lot better than the actual cast. But I still have high hopes for this range. I am refusing to give up at the slightest set-back!

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Now that's a nice looking Hulk!

And Capt. America too, of course!

If they give me a proper Comic Book Abomination, I'm in, no matter what!

And of course, Mysterio too...

HULK SMASH! Epic models.

Give me Doc-Ock from the comics, Ultron and Deadpool and I'm in

 happygolucky wrote:
Give me Doc-Ock from the comics, Ultron and Deadpool and I'm in

I'd say Ultron is definetly in the pipeline. Him being in a movie and all.

They both look very nice, but I'm surprised they're not closer to the movie versions like Iron Man. They really went the classic route with Cap.

Knightflashman wrote:

If this is to scale, Iron Man looks too small. :/


Looking forward to seeing Spidy, and his rogues.

Yeah, we've been complaining about IM for a bit!

As for Spidey - I wonder if they have the 'license' to do anything that they want?

It might be that they're sticking with the "Marvel Studios" stuff for now 'just because' - but I hope that they can and will be doing Spidey and as many of his villains as possible!

 Alpharius wrote:
Yeah, we've been complaining about IM for a bit!

As for Spidey - I wonder if they have the 'license' to do anything that they want?

It might be that they're sticking with the "Marvel Studios" stuff for now 'just because' - but I hope that they can and will be doing Spidey and as many of his villains as possible!

I think they previously did a Spidy figure in their 75mm line, so it seems like they could do it in this one as well. Additionally, these are not the the movie-verse designs, so it seems like its not just 'Marvel Studios'.

Good point!

Bring on the Green Goblin, Rhino, Doc Ock, Venom, Kraven and yes...


...Mysterio!

 Alpharius wrote:

It might be that they're sticking with the "Marvel Studios" stuff for now 'just because'

Wolverine being one of the first models puts that theory down before it starts.

 Alpharius wrote:

...Mysterio!

Yup, I'll preorder that one.

And Scarlet Spider.

Maybe it's an Extremis Ironman, that armor basically is just a skin tight suit.

Anyone know where I can get these stateside?

Its hard to see the scale perfectly from the group photo they put together, but the more I look at it the more to me it looks like Captain America towers over Iron Man (like Steve is 35mm, and Tony is only 30 or 32mm).



I think the sculpts for the two new models look fantastic (I would prefer to see the Ultimate version of Rogers, but that is just me), but I think I am going to wait to see what others think of them after I was underwhelmed by the previous tow when I after I had them in hand.

Just had Iron Man and Wolverine arrive. Very easy to put together and they are very solid minis. Cannot wait to get Hulk and Cap

MsMarvelMsMarvelMsMarvelMsMarvel... daaaaw. Friggin' Spidey.

Spidey's pose is a little odd, but does fit the character. Thor is just awesome. Glad they went with the traditional helmet/cape look.

Not a fan of the break dancing Spidey, even though I understand what the artist was intending with the pose.

Thor looks like a huge mutha trucka who will bring the pain with his hammer--so well done there!

I actually love the pose on spidey. Very dynamic. it also gives me an excuse ti try out a tutorial on miniature webbing i saw on a blg last month.

Great releases all around as usual :-)

erratyk wrote:
I actually love the pose on spidey. Very dynamic. it also gives me an excuse ti try out a tutorial on miniature webbing i saw on a blg last month.

Great releases all around as usual :-)

I'm not feeling the Spidey pose. It's appropriate for Spidey, but I think another pose would have been better. I'd prefer to see a pose that wasn't dependent on a big chunk of wall on the base. There's plenty of classic Spider Man poses that could have been done on a reasonable base and yet still afford plenty of diorama opportunities.

Besides, his feet are sort of goofy big.

After completely missing the boat on their Star Wars line I'd really like to get all the Marvel releases this time.

They seem to be sold out at many places I've checked. Where is a good place to pick these up?

Just ordered Thor!

I ordered directly from Knightmodels

Another new model Magneto, looks cool.



There's some new models for the Batman game as well, if I find the thread I'll add them in.

grefven wrote:

That miniature is doomed....

Doomed?

Why?

Is there a hidden Latverian Dictator in it somewhere?

 Alpharius wrote:
Doomed?

Why?

Is there a hidden Latverian Dictator in it somewhere?

I was talking about how the only thing supporting the heavy pewter model is one thin arm.

Though I like the idea of 35mm Doctor Doom.

That Magneto looks epic, really capturing the gravitas of the character.

Looks like they're sticking to comic book designs? I really hope so. If they get a few more of my favorites released, I'll grab them.

 -Loki- wrote:
Looks like they're sticking to comic book designs? I really hope so. If they get a few more of my favorites released, I'll grab them.

I think they said a while back they'd be doing multiple versions. I know with the Batman ones they've done Arkham and Dark Knight (film) versions of characters like Batman, The Joker and Bane.

As noted earlier, they REALLY need to give us a Dr. Doom mini!

And Mysterio, of course.

I wouldn't say no to a good Jack O'Lantern too...

 Alpharius wrote:
As noted earlier, they REALLY need to give us a Dr. Doom mini!

And Mysterio, of course.

I wouldn't say no to a good Jack O'Lantern too...

You and your love of 2nd+ string Spidey villains.


That's ok, I prefer 2nd and 3rd string heroes myself.

We need more Spidey Villains I would happily pay for a Doc-Ock from the comics, a Venom and Carnage with Monster Ock as well

That and they could take all my money if they did the iconic Comic Ultron and those big sentinels from the comics



Yes I would pay large amounts of money for this version of Doc-Ock

And these sentinels



And Ultron in this form:



Without the throne of course..

New releases!

The Thing:


And Cyclops:


Both look pretty good, I reckon, and I'm glad they stuck with the comic look for Cyclops. Thing's pose looks a bit strange from that angle, with massive hands, but I think it's ok on the whole. Certainly decent.

The Thing's hands are a bit on the large size, but it is a nice looking model!

Darn...they had to release a mini for The Thing... Looks like my wallet will have to take a trip down Yancy St.

I am not too fond of them. They are alright, but not enough for me to buy them. The Thing could, in particular, have been made more interesting.

The new Marvel stuff!

We also seem to have missed Black Widow a while back:


All in all, they're still doing nicely

Although maybe Doom's cape is a bit too billowy.

I haven't even painted my Iron Man but Frank and Doom look great.

Dr. Doom!

Awesome!

Still holding out for Mysterio though.

And Jack O'Lantern...