What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby, in your opinion?

Let's keep this thread GW-hatred free, please. It is ok to mention industry policies as the most annoying thing for you, but let's avoid turning this into yet another jeedub bashing thread.


What annoys me the most is waiting for stuff to arrive from mail. I live in Brazil, and so I have to import from Europe or USA anything hobby-related. If I order as priority delivery, it is quite expensive and takes about a month to get to my door. Orders that come as first mail take anything from 2 to 4 months to arrive (!), and there is always the risk of it falling into the dreaded black hole of worldwide postal services...

Because of that , I make a habit of ordering multiples of any paint bottle I buy, so I always have spare. I can't think of anything more damaging to my painting spirits than suddenly finding out that my paint bottle is done, while I'm still half way through a mini, and so have to order a new one and sit that mini aside for months until the paint arrives.

I can only imagine how awesome it must be to be able to order hobby stuff in your own country. Being able to get stuff to your door in a couple days, customs-free... It's a distant dream for us here...

Another upseting point for me is to play against unpainted armies. Now, I don't oppose that, and in fact regularly play friends with such armies. I understand that many people simply don't have the patient or the will to paint armies, and are mostly interested in the gaming aspect of this hobby, but I myself am mostly a hobbyst, and cherish the emotional involment I can get in a game, diving into the battle I'm playing, creating rich mental pictures of the clashes of regiments and batalions as I move my toy soldiers around the table. All of this gets pretty depressing when armies on the table are on bare metal/plastic. It is then hard to imagine that scene as more than simply toy playing.

What about you guys? What are your top grievances on this hobby?

Whats annoying to me is that my army is direct order only. I don't get to walk into the FLGS and browse and buy something. Except maybe dice.

What's most annoying for me is that wargaming isn't as popular as other forms of games. I live in the middle of nowhere, so everything is mail ordered and good luck in finding a game around here.

I find painting depressing and most of the time Its a matter of a measure of how content I am with the result rather than whether I'm pleased with it.

I find modelling fun because kitbashing and converting I'm quite capable of doing well, but the filing down of mould lines can be super-tedious when you're trying to build something like 10-20 Cadians, where you have to be extremely careful on the head or the shoulder armour or you get ugly looking dents in them.

Oh, and finding games is the third most annoying part. Usually I don't have the time to spare to look for one or sort one in advance, and there aren't many places where I can reliably pick up one.

I’ve recently bust open my Dreadball and Deadzone boxes, so currently the thing most annoying me is slack, lazy, poor quality casting and no obvious quality control.

For me, it's the gamers

Not all of them, to be sure, but that small section of the community...

I play my lists in a somewhat fluff-driven way. I like to come up with background for my armies and name my characters (and have specific equipment loads for those names. As far as possible i like to have my armies painted.

When playing i'm pretty laid back. I will allow people to shoot with units they forgot or move them, even after they have said 'on to assault' or whatever, as long as it's not more than a min or so after.

It's just the way i roll.


The folk that depress me:

The WAAChole. - Always looking for a roflstomp with no losses he can brag about. Cheats subtly, or sometimes blatantly, games the rules, pitches a fit if he loses.

The Whiner - Fine as long as everything is going his way. The moment you do something cool he demands a recount. Spends most of the game complaining about your army/gw/game balance.

The Herald of Nurgle - jeez man, bathe and change clothes once in a while! Always seems to be in the same outfit, and your eyes start to sting 50 feet away.

The codex-hopper - The guy with a perpetually totally unpainted army (because they sell better on Ebay that way) who hops codexes constantly as they rise to the top of the power curve.

The RAW Lawyer - should have taken up law as a career. Argues the exact wording of every rule looking for loopholes that pervert the actual intent of the rules. I have no problem with someone debating exactly how two rules interact, but not when it takes 4 hours, or when it's deliberately abused.

The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

Thankfully these types are fairly rare where i play. Most of the folk i play against are great.

Price rise and growing number of GW staff that wont let you talk about anything besides the hobby...

What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby?

All the groupies. Seriously, ladies. I came to the game store to play 40K, not get harassed! Keep your hands to yourself, and knock off the wolf-whistles!

I’m going to have to go with cleaning mold lines. It’s just a chore, nothing rewarding about it.

Cleaning mold lines is a close second.

Not having time to do all of the projects I have in my head is third.

 kronk wrote:
What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby?

All the groupies. Seriously, ladies. I came to the game store to play 40K, not get harassed! Keep your hands to yourself, and knock off the wolf-whistles!

Thats not the hobby, thats just you Kronk

The smell

Smell is 4th. Good call.

I walked into a game store in Houston on a hot August afternoon when their AC had gone out. There were 6 or 8 players in their early 20s or late teens.

Promptly turned around and walked out!

Having people in my gaming group who refuse to try new games, even if you provide everything.
Having to make an hours round trip to my local club to get a game in.
Not having enough time to paint and game as much now I'm an adult.

Finishing an army just in time for a new codex and/or ruleset to render it near useless in the game.

My biggest annoyance is how hard it is to find games.

Mold lines, very much.
I have so much work to do there, that I give up before the painting even begins.
I'm the sort to drill all of the relevant gun barrels, and magnetise, So, I'm handy enough with the tools. It's the time taken to get the mess off the visible areas.

Losing the Holy Orb of Antioch from my Black Templars is #5 on my list of annoyances.

matgc wrote:
What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby, in your opinion?

Painting.

Wow, smae as a lot of you guys I suppose.

Mold lines are a PITA
Bad gamers who bend rules or have no game etiquette (pick up your dice)

The biggest thing for me though has to be building and painting my brain. I mean I have 2 large forces that still need completing but already have designs on new lists etc. I can't work as quickly as my mind unfortunatley.

A mini pet heave is when people pick up their hits/wounds instead of picking up their misses....winds me off the clock....

 Ascalam wrote:
The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

I've actually considered doing this intentionally in tournaments, to give me a psychological edge against my opponent if they care about such things.


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 kronk wrote:
Smell is 4th. Good call.

I walked into a game store in Houston on a hot August afternoon when their AC had gone out. There were 6 or 8 players in their early 20s or late teens.

Promptly turned around and walked out!

My wife and I were in the area of our FLGS to see a movie and had some time to kill before it started. I jokingly said "lets play some 40k", thinking that if she agreed we could play the demo game or something, as I hadn't brought my models. To my surprise she agreed, but it so happened that the GW store was running a tournament, and it was during the summer and that small space had about 20 gamers in it. After about a minute she said that she couldn't handle the smell and walked out.

Other people's expectations in the hobby being projected onto you. Everyone comes into it differently. But not everyone wants to play. Or convert models. Or Paint. To each their own.

When bits shoot off into the carpet nary to return.

 McManiak wrote:
Wow, smae as a lot of you guys I suppose.

Mold lines are a PITA
Bad gamers who bend rules or have no game etiquette (pick up your dice)

The biggest thing for me though has to be building and painting my brain. I mean I have 2 large forces that still need completing but already have designs on new lists etc. I can't work as quickly as my mind unfortunatley.

A mini pet heave is when people pick up their hits/wounds instead of picking up their misses....winds me off the clock....

Why would you pick up misses? You should be rolling the dice you hit with since that is the exact number of dice you need to determine wounds.

I have never seen anybody roll to hit then pick up misses to roll to wound in my life.

You pick up the misses to set them out of the way, first. Then, after you and your opponent have looked at the dice remaining and agree that all of the misses are gone, you pick up the hits and roll them to-wound.

What McManiac is talking about is someone rolling 20-30 dice to-hit, quickly picking up all of the "hits" and rolling them before the opponent can look at them.

It's just a good practice and courtesy to your opponent.

 Ascalam wrote:
For me, it's the gamers

Not all of them, to be sure, but that small section of the community...

I play my lists in a somewhat fluff-driven way. I like to come up with background for my armies and name my characters (and have specific equipment loads for those names. As far as possible i like to have my armies painted.

When playing i'm pretty laid back. I will allow people to shoot with units they forgot or move them, even after they have said 'on to assault' or whatever, as long as it's not more than a min or so after.

It's just the way i roll.


The folk that depress me:

The WAAChole. - Always looking for a roflstomp with no losses he can brag about. Cheats subtly, or sometimes blatantly, games the rules, pitches a fit if he loses.

The Whiner - Fine as long as everything is going his way. The moment you do something cool he demands a recount. Spends most of the game complaining about your army/gw/game balance.

The Herald of Nurgle - jeez man, bathe and change clothes once in a while! Always seems to be in the same outfit, and your eyes start to sting 50 feet away.

The codex-hopper - The guy with a perpetually totally unpainted army (because they sell better on Ebay that way) who hops codexes constantly as they rise to the top of the power curve.

The RAW Lawyer - should have taken up law as a career. Argues the exact wording of every rule looking for loopholes that pervert the actual intent of the rules. I have no problem with someone debating exactly how two rules interact, but not when it takes 4 hours, or when it's deliberately abused.

The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

Thankfully these types are fairly rare where i play. Most of the folk i play against are great.

Exalted and agreed!

Assembly and cleaning. It's the most boring part by far and I've paid college kids at the store to do it for me.

My biggest non-game specific complaint is that there is no prepainted option. I would like to have a prepainted option as that part of the hobby has no appeal to some people or is so time intensive that it pushes people out of the hobby. It would rather have a prepainted option than the current option which is grey plastic. If you don't like the color scheme or level of detail, you can always paint it yourself to something different. This would at least allow people to get models on the table that look presentable.

The smell of gw plastic glue. It's so bad... I would end up having the window open for ages to get the smell out.

Removing mould lines and greenstuffing gaps.

In no particular order:

* Price
* Assembly/mo(u)ld lines, especially in regards to having to pin or magnetize things
* That you don't get all options in a box, and no way outside eBay and some sites with limited quantities to get individual parts.
* TFG who always wants to play high points games so he can field whatever overpriced FW kit he bought

Rabid Fanboiz - even for games that I like.

There are games that I have never tried, or at least never enjoyed, because player X has to extoll the virtues of System Y - whether or not you have any desire to play system Y, or even if you are playing while he prattles on.

The worst that I have seen were a pair of GURPS players that pulled a D&D beginner box out of the hands of a twelve year old, in order to tell the kid that he doesn't want to try D&D - GURPS is the one true game.

The kid left the bookstore without buying any games.

By contrast, there were a bunch of Rifts players that played nothing but Rifts... but never evangelized the gospel of the one true game.

I hate the system in Rifts - but to this day I am about a million times more likely to play Rifts than GURPS, which at least has a system that I can stand.

Mind you, every game has its rabid Fanbois - but GURPS had the most vocal locals.

The Auld Grump

Barfolomew wrote:
My biggest non-game specific complaint is that there is no prepainted option. I would like to have a prepainted option as that part of the hobby has no appeal to some people or is so time intensive that it pushes people out of the hobby. It would rather have a prepainted option than the current option which is grey plastic. If you don't like the color scheme or level of detail, you can always paint it yourself to something different. This would at least allow people to get models on the table that look presentable.

There are painting services out there. I'm sure you could pic up some cheap models secondhand, strip them, and then get them painted for roughly the same cost as buying new from GW (or whatever company you're going with)

Because the building and painting part of models isn't going away any time soon, at least for some of the major companies.

Also, something like X-Wing sounds like it would be right up your ally

Mold lines. I really, really hate mold lines and I always manage to miss one or two.

Too many different, great games that I really want to play and spend significant amount of time on, both building/painting and playing, but not having enough free time for anything like enough of them!

I realise this is a really great problem to have though

I find some of the bitching that goes on between Warhammer and mtg players, and to some extent some other systems. The generalisations are ludicrous. I think the friction comes from the reality that mtg brings in more money at a lot of games shops, this means that, rightly or not, and depending on which side you fall, there's a perception they receive/deserve preferential treatment. But mostly it's the crude generalisations made about the other group, being fat, smelly, socially incapable and various other things.

The constant moaning about prices

Cleaning mold lines.... I just hate it ugh.

Rolling 1's for my terminators' armor saves is my Number 6 annoyance.

kronk wrote:Rolling 1's for my terminators' armor saves is my Number 6 annoyance.

Remember in 2nd edition, and that inevitable double-one after an autogun hit!
+1 for annoyance if that autogun was fired by a gretchin..

Ugavine wrote:The constant moaning about prices

What about, if prices were a bit more reasonable, people would have less to moan about? Take a look at the Corvus Belli, Malifaux, Warlord or other any forum you care to mention, and their lack of comments about pricing to see what I mean.

Something to think about...

 Ugavine wrote:
The constant moaning about prices

Eh, depends on what they're moaning about.

Whining about battlefront prices when they cover a massive range of models that they probably make little on? Definitely not warranted.

GW charging a premium for models like Cadians that look like crap? I consider that fair.

My only real pet peeves are trying to find a group to play with for anything other than the most entrenched of systems. I keep finding all these awesome games out there yet if it doesn't have "Games Workshop" on the tin they shoot it down immediately.

Even if they don't need new models, or I provide them, and the rules are easy to learn and fun, they'll still be disinterested.

My only other pet peeve is just the community itself. Sometimes you get some... strange.... people in this hobby, and almost inevitably they latch onto me for some odd reason. It makes it hard for me to introduce my hobby to my friends and family, because 9/10, one of those guys will walk around the corner and scare them off. I've met tons of completely normal people as well, but it only takes one bad first impression to scare off a newcomer. And some of those great unclean ones can leave one heck of a lasting first impression.

Getting stuff in Japan when you don't have a credit card.

Room for your hobby (again Japan)

Prices, even do i have a good income. Some of the prices are not realistic from some companies.

The Power Creep trends.

We had the flyer craze (Stormtalons, Storm Ravens, etc)
We had the Big Walker craze (Riptide, Wraithknight, Imperial Knight).
And now we've got the Superheavy, Fortification and D-Weapon craze. (Titans and D-Weapons in small games of 40K? )


Is it even possible to have fun when you take a sensible balanced list including a variety of infantry, jump infantry, flyers and tanks...and your opponent slaps down a massive Superheavy with powerful D-Weapons and void shields that you can barely scratch and the bare minimum of HQ & Troops?

I think I can speak for 90% of gamers when I say ...Painting backlog.

Biggest annoyance for me is 90% of gamers.



As a smaller subset of 90% of humanity though.

Realizing a great idea for a base after I've painted and attached my model.

*sigh*

Assembling.

There, I said it, judge me if you want.

The cost, the process of painting, and the task of trimming mold lines are all close contenders.

That one opponent. You all know who I mean, the one who ticks one or more of the following:

--Strangely joyless. Seems to view the game as a vague irritation.

--Free-and-easy with the rules themselves ("I'll pick up this model and sling it over here without measuring or checking if it contacts anything else on the way"), but will scrutinise and openly distrust you as if you're the most notorious cheater in the world. Bonus points if they have the rules provably, unambiguously wrong or are an edition behind.

--Spends more time talking with their friends or hangers-on, than paying attention to what you're doing. But any attempt on your part to strike up a conversation or laugh at an outrageous dice roll will be met with a blank stare.

--If they win, they seem to take no pleasure from it, giving the impression they were just going through the motions of wiping you out. If they lose, then you got lucky, or you implicitly did something dodgy rules-wise. Never will you have a "clean" win against them.

The whining but this may be more a criticism of forums.

Other than that I'm more annoyed by my own inability to finish things and make time for games. That has nothing to do with the hobby and everything to do with my work/life balance.

My top 3 have to be, and this is because I haven't played any games yet:

1. The time it takes me to build and paint stuff. E.g. it took me 25 minutes last night to cut 2 termagaunts off the sprue, clean them up and glue them together. Two Termagaunts. Two

2. Which leads nicely onto hate number two - Mold lines. Man I hate them!

3. PC Games. This is 100% me but I find it easier blaming the games for not stopping me playing them and getting on with painting.

1 - Mold Lines. I take even more time than usual because I start watching anime, documentaries, whatever while removing them, but if I don't watch it, I'll probably just get annoyed I'm removing mold lines

2 - Assembly (for some kits). I honestly gave up on Necrons because I -HATE- their vehicles. Assembling my Ghost Ark was enfuriating. Metal Bawkses all the way!

3 - That painting stage when you are in the middle of base-coating. The miniature just looks crap, no other way around it, it looks so depressively bad, urgh. I know it's stupid, but it just annoys me.

That it gets everywhere. Seriously I end up with paint pots, sprues and half assembled miniatures on my desk my coffee table even in my kitchen. It encroaches on every room in my place.

Actually this is more a annoyance for my other half than me. But I do get a bit of hassle because of it.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

3 - That painting stage when you are in the middle of base-coating. The miniature just looks crap, no other way around it, it looks so depressivily bad, urgh. I know it's stupid, but it just annoys me.

You read my mind with this one mate, so demoralizing.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
The constant moaning about prices

Eh, depends on what they're moaning about.

Whining about battlefront prices when they cover a massive range of models that they probably make little on? Definitely not warranted.

GW charging a premium for models like Cadians that look like crap? I consider that fair.

My only real pet peeves are trying to find a group to play with for anything other than the most entrenched of systems. I keep finding all these awesome games out there yet if it doesn't have "Games Workshop" on the tin they shoot it down immediately.

Even if they don't need new models, or I provide them, and the rules are easy to learn and fun, they'll still be disinterested.

My only other pet peeve is just the community itself. Sometimes you get some... strange.... people in this hobby, and almost inevitably they latch onto me for some odd reason. It makes it hard for me to introduce my hobby to my friends and family, because 9/10, one of those guys will walk around the corner and scare them off. I've met tons of completely normal people as well, but it only takes one bad first impression to scare off a newcomer. And some of those great unclean ones can leave one heck of a lasting first impression.

I know where your coming from on that one. The creepers always seem to latch on to me too. Had one dude dressed up like lulu from final fantasy 10. Uggh

Probably the only person who likes removing mold lines lol. Maybe I should open up a service to fix them for people XD
I guess the price of the miniatures is probably most annoying for me, although I was more annoyed at the price of the 40k rulebook, when I started collecting tyranids years ago I remember both me and my brother seeing that and saying ok we will never be allowed to get that, and had to make our own rules lol.

Work and real life getting in the way of painting the rest of my Deadzone minis!

 Spuj wrote:
My top 3 have to be, and this is because I haven't played any games yet:

1. The time it takes me to build and paint stuff. E.g. it took me 25 minutes last night to cut 2 termagaunts off the sprue, clean them up and glue them together. Two Termagaunts. Two

2. Which leads nicely onto hate number two - Mold lines. Man I hate them!

3. PC Games. This is 100% me but I find it easier blaming the games for not stopping me playing them and getting on with painting.

I clean mold lines while “Loading, please wait”, crafting in MMOs, or when the computer is taking it’s turn.

 Redbeard wrote:
Finishing an army just in time for a new codex and/or ruleset to render it near useless in the game.

This - or power creep in general. I know that having more powerful or trumping rules will make people purchase new models, but try to keep it in check a little more. Minor changes in the main rulebook with editions rendering some play styles obsolete.

I may expand on the stages of models that look "bad".

1) Bare plastic just glued: Unplayable in this stage and you keep finding the dreaded mold lines.
2) Graveled base: Unplayable in this stage, still seeing mold lines, bits of gravel keep falling off.
3) Black/Grey/White primed: Unplayable in this stage: no depth perception, hard to see what weapon they are holding, REALLY sucks when you see mold lines or want to change a load-out.
4) "Block painting" you know, when it looks at it's worst like a 3 year old had painted it (It is not done yet! honest!) definitely will not play the model or give people the wrong ideas. REALLY, REALLY sucks when you find mold lines, you try layering on more paint hoping it will bury it. I am bored to tears at this stage, new air brush is helping this out.
5) Edging / washes / drybrush: Tend to miss spots or forget where you were at last so you play "spot that technique you did not do". I have a squad well identified where all their guns were not edged; you notice it. If I see mold lines at this stage I pretend they are not there...

So summary is the freaking "it-cannot-get-done-fast-enough-so-I-can-play-gosh-darn-hurry-up-@#$%&!!!!!"

My second closest is just how many items are "critical" to a successful game that any number of things could be a show stopper.
I keep meaning to make the 40k checklist for when you: go out to game, start assembly, start to paint, go supply shopping, annual review... sad to say, the kind of guy I am...

Getting a friend into the hobby who then buys all the stuff, can't be bothered to learn the fluff as its "boring", creates his own rules, knows nothing about the game but thinks he knows everything, and gets new models and codexes regularly because he is minted…whilst he whines.

And you've been wargaming 4 years before him.

carmachu wrote:
Other people's expectations in the hobby being projected onto you. Everyone comes into it differently. But not everyone wants to play. Or convert models. Or Paint. To each their own.

This wins the thread for me.

I'm so tired of the threads where pro-comp people debate with anti-comp people. Or, the threads where people deride other players who play with armies that aren't completely painted. Or the hard-list vs fluffy list debates.

I've never understood why the majority of gamers can't seem to accept the fact that the hobby of tabletop wargaming is big enough to have appeal to different people over a wide range of different aspects, and everyone doesn't have to equally like the same aspects as each other.

How about no matter how much time you spend cleaning the mini, once you've primed and started painting you find a mold line you missed.

All the WAAC gitz

 Pacific wrote:

Ugavine wrote:The constant moaning about prices

What about, if prices were a bit more reasonable, people would have less to moan about? Take a look at the Corvus Belli, Malifaux, Warlord or other any forum you care to mention, and their lack of comments about pricing to see what I mean.

Something to think about...

What about if I find the prices reasonable.

Other compaines? No argument there because I play those too. Played Bolt Action tonight. Different games, different prices. Still don't see the issue.

Tournaments that neither score nor require painting.

C'mon if I wanted to play with unpainted models I would be at a chess tournament.

First and foremost, not having time for gaming.

Second, assembly and mold line cleaning. I especially hate having to pin large metal models. I've pretty much given up on Privateer Press games, despite enjoying them, because of all the ginormous metal models that break, chip and variously depress me.

I'm voting for those guys that "almost cheat" the power gamers / rules nobs that ruin your gaming evening. It's meant to be fun and enjoyable not hard work and annoying.

Luckily we got rid of most of those types at our gaming group but I still can't stand them!!!

Unpainted armies are the other.... make some effort - at least fully assemble and spray them

People who post 'what's the most annoying aspect of the hobby?' topics on Dakka Dakka. Also the other players.

For me it is cleaning up mould lines.

Nothing else comes remotely close in the annoying stakes.

Well maybe super gluing my fingers together but that doesn't happen much anymore

 Kimchi Gamer wrote:
People who post 'what's the most annoying aspect of the hobby?' topics on Dakka Dakka. Also the other players.

Please, share more of your clever quips and social commentary.

 SoulDrinker wrote:
I'm voting for those guys that "almost cheat" the power gamers / rules nobs that ruin your gaming evening. It's meant to be fun and enjoyable not hard work and annoying.

Luckily we got rid of most of those types at our gaming group but I still can't stand them!!!

Unpainted armies are the other.... make some effort - at least fully assemble and spray them

Agree with both of these!

The caveat I would add is unpainted (sometimes unassembled) armies that have been that way for long periods of time, and the person obviously has no intention of doing any more work with them. I also find that the owners of these armies tend to be less careful with the physical use of the miniatures - thinking of an occassion where one of the older metal dreadnoughts, with no arms, rolled down a hill and crushed a newly converted and painted assault squad. "Oops, sorry mate. Anyway yes this is moving here and shooting at... " - meanwhile several of the squad have been left with broken weapons and arms

My big one is more a gripe with "gamer culture" in general. I've seen it work its way into my gaming group and it makes me see red. I've encountered racism, sexism, and bullying amongst people who are usually "othered" on a regular basis.

I didn't realize how bad the 4chan "yr mom" think had gotten until it seaped into a casual game of Monsterpocalypse recently (yes, we dusted it off and played, and it was awesome).

This guy just kept going ON AND ON about how his monster was going to "rape face", and I later heard that the "rape train" only has one setting and no brakes. When I think about the startling number of women who've been the victims of sexual assault, I'm not surprised to hear that few girls are in this hobby. That would be a major trigger if someone talked about forcing themselves on you.

Like I said, this is more a gripe with gaming culture, but it definitely has ruined a game or two for me.


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Oh, and mold lines.

The most annoying aspect of the hobby is when you drop a bit and try and catch it with your legs and crush your nards in the process.

1. Finecast
2. Bubbles
3. Mold lines

The ones who only play with their freinds on Open Game Nights.
Those who crush Fluffy Armys with their WAAC List and then brag about it for weeks.
Being Called a Band Wagon player with an army you have been playing for 20 years.
Being Callw WAAC for playing the same army you have for over 20 years, before you have even unpacked yet.
The Same Unpainted Armies, Week, After Week, After Week.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:

This guy just kept going ON AND ON about how his monster was going to "rape face", and I later heard that the "rape train" only has one setting and no brakes. When I think about the startling number of women who've been the victims of sexual assault, I'm not surprised to hear that few girls are in this hobby. That would be a major trigger if someone talked about forcing themselves on you.

Like I said, this is more a gripe with gaming culture, but it definitely has ruined a game or two for me.

He's a douche, not disputing that for a moment, but.....did you call him on it?

It's possible that several other people were uncomfortable but everyone was waiting for someone else to speak up first--or even that he never realised that anyone was offended by his choice of words. If everyone keeps quiet, you're telling him his language isn't a problem.

Yeah, I eventually did and found that several others agreed with me. It's cut down a bit, but it's still an aspect of gaming culture I could easily do without.

For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.

I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

Players who think everything must be painted to be on a table top and who whine about it. Some people don't like the way they paint and would rather have a bare or primed model on the table. I would rather basecoat a model and do a few details on it then spend hours painting it into a blobbish mess taking away from the model. I feel like that drives a lot of people away from the hobby because of snobs who stand up on a pedestal.

For me, having recently gotten back into the hobby, I've been reminded that my least favorite factor is actually making Army lists.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
My big one is more a gripe with "gamer culture" in general. I've seen it work its way into my gaming group and it makes me see red. I've encountered racism, sexism, and bullying amongst people who are usually "othered" on a regular basis.

I didn't realize how bad the 4chan "yr mom" think had gotten until it seaped into a casual game of Monsterpocalypse recently (yes, we dusted it off and played, and it was awesome).

This guy just kept going ON AND ON about how his monster was going to "rape face", and I later heard that the "rape train" only has one setting and no brakes. When I think about the startling number of women who've been the victims of sexual assault, I'm not surprised to hear that few girls are in this hobby. That would be a major trigger if someone talked about forcing themselves on you.

Like I said, this is more a gripe with gaming culture, but it definitely has ruined a game or two for me.


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Oh, and mold lines.

Exalted. This, this and a thousand times this. It winds me up no end when I hear this kind of thing being tossed about. I am quick to say I do not like it, and often get odd looks and accused of being 'butthurt'.

But other than some of the 'banter' - stench in stores ranks (geddit) highly, as do some of the err, characters, you can bump into. Oh, and how paint always seems to chip off the models you are most proud of.

Never having enough time to finish the models I have on the shelf. Then I seem to go out and buy some more

Mold lines are easily 2nd on this list.

Im with WinterHound.
I have a bad habit of buying models while my painting line is already stacked up

Usually because ill run out of something and not bother buying it for a while, holding everything up. (currently PVA glue and more basing stuff holding my knight up and my eldar army)

Mould lines are a pain in the arse
Dont think ive met a single person that enjoys removing them to this day.

Last - Finecast.
I know its not a GW gripe thread, but the iron hands upgrade pack shifted to this from metal.
Metal was a quick wash and trim some spikes off raised areas, then good to go.

This stuff needs a heavy wash, trimming off the severe flash, removing the filling points from a model (15 on a wraith guard model i now know) then sandin any fuzzy areas, followed by GS filling on bubbles and gaps.

It turns what was a 20 minute job into an easy 5 hours depending on the quality of it.
Really not liking the change on this one

1)The way that my College seems determined to enroach onto my hobby time. More work is practically volley fired at me, leaving so little time to paint/model/etc.... I havnt had a game in over a month

2)The way that 1 is preventing me from finishing off my WIP scratch built Hive Fleet

3)My painting Backlog. I still cannot bring myself to face my Skaven

The endless complaining.

The complaining.

The majority of the fluff

The painting.

So in person I just put up with the guy who complains at our club as he is still fun to play with. On the internet it means war. I dont like most of the fluff unless its history wargaming. In which case I love it. And I hire people to paint everything except tanks because i can paint them very quickly with a spray can and detailing work haha.

I do love the games and terrain along with assembling models. Just the above annoys me.

The players The players the players. I would be willing to say 90% are awful excuses for people but I feel that way about almost everyone I have ever met.

The players who dont bathe are awful, the ones who cannot contain their flatulence or belching need to be escorted from any FLGS or Enclosed space and asked to not return.

I keep running into the same player locally and since i am so new to this particular shop (the local GW shop sadly) I dont wana be my usual self and tell him where to stick it and why, so I kinda tolerate it but try to bring as many players into the games he is apart of as possible to spot light his constant shenanigans, and blatant rules bending.

I never realized grabbin hits was a big issue, I am just a fast paced person. I do almost everything as quick as possible there is not a ton i will dedicate time to (ladies feel special)
and dice rolls has never struck me as a slow process, but now I will be sure to get an ok from my opponent when rolling.

I am mostly into the hobby for the building and painting aspect of it.
So…
1. The price, I like GW models but they are a bit steep now.
2. Doing away with pewter, I know why it happened but I love all the pewter models and will miss them.
3. Redoing of miniatures and making them look worse than the originals, IMO.
4. The shop I used to buy my paints at burnt down… Now I have to drive farther.
5. Accidently clipping myself with the hobby knife.

I forgot to mention: painting Allied vehicles for European theatres. The green... the endless dull green that must be applied before all the fancy detailing can be done

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.
I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

Easiest way to let that one go is knowing typically that is all that person ever does: they are (usually) professionally trained artists who work on one model for days full time but do not play the game.
I suspect you are part of that impatient group that wants to have a "playable" level of detail = knowing when to draw the line and not spend another 8 hours on that model.
You have it within you to create models THAT good but the effort and time to step up your game would cause other needed parts of your life to suffer.
At best, allow them to "inspire you", at worst, say "I could do that if I had all the time in the world.".
But you already know this...

So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

 jdamaso111 wrote:
Players who think everything must be painted to be on a table top and who whine about it. Some people don't like the way they paint and would rather have a bare or primed model on the table. I would rather basecoat a model and do a few details on it then spend hours painting it into a blobbish mess taking away from the model. I feel like that drives a lot of people away from the hobby because of snobs who stand up on a pedestal.

Part of the fun is the spectacle of the thing, as stated before, unpainted devolves to little more than chess pieces = it ignores completely the other aspect of the hobby.
I find it hard to criticize when obvious effort is put into something, I had some guy with a "grey legion" make fun of my paint job I just looked at him like he was insane.
I painted one squad at a time when I started (10 models).
By the time I finished my third squad I wanted to redo the first: you would be surprised how quickly you develop painting skills.
Hope you change your mind on this one but I can understand the "I want it to look good or not be painted at all." you put yourself out there (for praise or ridicule) when you paint your models.



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 Ravenous D wrote:
The most annoying aspect of the hobby is when you drop a bit and try and catch it with your legs and crush your nards in the process.

Or the piece continues to the floor and goes through some "warp gate" only to be found easily later when you had already moved on.

As an adult, it can be hard to find time to paint models, let alone even assemble or prime them. Job, family, sports, etc - all take up a large portion of time, as does putting paint on a model so that it's not offensive to the eye. That being, I like to try out units a number of times before committing a paint brush to them. So I'm certainly guilty of fielding armies of grey once in awhile.

My biggest annoyance though is guys compensating through their army lists. Challenge yourself for once.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
My big one is more a gripe with "gamer culture" in general. I've seen it work its way into my gaming group and it makes me see red. I've encountered racism, sexism, and bullying amongst people who are usually "othered" on a regular basis.

I didn't realize how bad the 4chan "yr mom" think had gotten until it seaped into a casual game of Monsterpocalypse recently (yes, we dusted it off and played, and it was awesome).

This guy just kept going ON AND ON about how his monster was going to "rape face", and I later heard that the "rape train" only has one setting and no brakes. When I think about the startling number of women who've been the victims of sexual assault, I'm not surprised to hear that few girls are in this hobby. That would be a major trigger if someone talked about forcing themselves on you.

Like I said, this is more a gripe with gaming culture, but it definitely has ruined a game or two for me.


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Oh, and mold lines.

Thanks for posting this. I totally agree. The worst part is that sometimes I can find myself getting caught up in it, simply because you get engaged in a game where it's so prevalent and you stop actually thinking about these things and what they actually mean (and, more important, the more significant impact and meaning they could have on others). It's always good to have a guy stop and go "wait, hold on a second, this isn't cool...".

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

Not the only person! I admit it's mildly relaxing to sit back while watching schlocky cop shows on TV and remove mould lines before I get around to assembling my miniatures.

To me the most annoying aspect of the hobby is the disconnect between actual players and their behavior IRL and their behavior online. Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things. People in person at least in my experiences in the southwestern United States communicate and have a blast playing with each other, and when it comes to the actual hobby aspect of collecting and assembling minis everyone I've ever met has been extremely helpful with one another.

Mould lines.

Trying to get things primed. That is mainly because it has been to cold to prime outside, so now I have one month to get everything in my army painted for adepticon. Basically this spring break is gonna be writing, painting and a break for Dark Souls 2. Heavy forbid when titanfall comes out.

Sigh, if I am lucky I will get to play both.

 SRSFACE wrote:
Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things.

It is rather strange, isn't it?

It seems to me all quarrelling online follows the same pattern: someone makes a statement, another person harshly disagrees, the first one takes offense and defends his honor by insulting the second person. Now it is not about a subject anymore. It is personal. All reason is lost and parts involved resort to bad manners.

In person, they would most probably be politely disagreeing on the subject and immediately moving on.

matgc wrote:

 SRSFACE wrote:
Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things.

It is rather strange, isn't it?

It seems to me all quarrelling online follows the same pattern: someone makes a statement, another person harshly disagrees, the first one takes offense and defends his honor by insulting the second person. Now it is not about a subject anymore. It is personal. All reason is lost and parts involved resort to bad manners.

In person, they would most probably be politely disagreeing on the subject and immediately moving on.

I blame this on communication error, and I don't mean reading their post wrong, I mean in terms of how human communication is meant to work. In person, half these arguments wouldn't happen, because you are face to face, can read their tone, their facial expressions, body language etc, all these are key factors in communicating and understanding, and people forget that it is all lost in an online environment, in text form. So people rage more often because they can only assume from text what the person is really getting at.

WAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!! *punches laptop screen*

For me it's assembly. I don't mind painting at all (I find it relaxing), but there's nothing more infuriating than glue mishaps, particularly when the points of contact are miniscule. I think I spent an honest 45 minutes once trying to glue a sword-blade onto a hilt, only to eventually give up and just give the dude a thunder hammer.

Internet Hatethink.

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

If you're playing with friends that aren't just 'people that also happen to play the games I play" friends, then you'll be fine. Otherwise you're rolling the same terrifying Dice Of Miserable Social Interaction as the rest of us when we have pick up games.

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol

I'm an old school modeller. There's nothing about the modelling particulars that bother me. Not even the 2nd edition "carve your own Land Speeder out of this lead ingot" are much more than an amusing anecdote.

matgc wrote:
Another upseting point for me is to play against unpainted armies.

You ask to keep the GW hatred out of the thread and then you bring up unpainted armies. Flame bait for sure. Hahahahahaha!

There are three things I dislike in the hobby:

1) People who feel that anyone who doesn't play THEIR favorite game are some how stupid idiots when all it is is a rules choice.

2) People from group one who denigrate other games on the market, but have only ever played ONE table top miniatures game ever so have zero perspective on the overall hobby.

3) People who put the onus of their own gaming obsessive habits/quirks on others when it is really their own problem. These are the people who expect/demand the game be a certain way so will not play other players that do not fufill this for them, and do their best to make the other player look and/or feel bad despite the fact that they are the one with the actual problem.

To avoid the unpainted army insanity, for my example I will use those who demand people paint their armies the "right way". Say a player has a "space wolf" army, but they far prefer the color green OR even more subtley prefer the original more basic gray the wovles used to be colored before all this blue gray nonsense. The kind fo player that bothers me will either not play the wolf player saying something like "You painted your army wrong. Space wolves are supposed to be blue gray. You can't play me." or they will play the game and complain about the color difference the entire game.

For sake of politeness I think these people need to own their own problems for a change and must change their delivery to something like: "I am a bit of a prat and really picky about paint schemes. I see you have used a non-standard paint scheme on your space wolf army, so I will pull myself back as a possible opponent and save you the pain of listening to me complain about it through the entire game." In this way they take ownership of the fact they are the one with the problem and stop blaming people who are only trying to enjoy the hobby themselves.

The most extreme example are those people who are so diehard against unpainted armies they will *demand* an opponent use one of their extra painted armies to have the *privilege* to play a game against them. These people need to leave their extra armies at home and politely explain they prefer to only play against opponents with painted armies and stop being such egotistical prats.

Mind you, I have no problems with either of these player types having the quirk they do in the hobby, we all have that line we prefer to be met for a game, but I have a problem with them pretty much always blaming the person on the other side of the table for something that is most definitely a personal issue.

Skriker

The people, my god it's the people, over the years it's started to grind me down so now I can't even pretend to listen to why some 40 year old neckbeard thinks that blood angels are the best and ultramarines are crap.. Just walk away now, sad thing is I feel rude doing it but just cannot be bothered with the great unwashed breathing all over me anymore..

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.

I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

It all depends on how you live your life, Stompa. All those minis you see in White Dwarf are painted by people who are PAID to sit there and paint armies for the studio. It is nice and easy to perfect one's technique when all you do all day is paint and model minis, especially when you can get paid to do it as well so no one is complaining that the bills are being ignored while you keep painting away.

My painting is pretty decent, but hardly to the old heavy metal standards and will never be golden daemon standard. I have too many hobbies, and too many minis, to spend all my spare time in a whole month just painting a single model to perfection. Some people have the right combo of artistic ability and free time to make it happen. Most people don't. There is another side to that concept as well. I have a good friend who will ONLY paint to that higher level standard, but his life these days affords him few opportunities to paint to that level anymore, so he hasn't painted anything in about 8 years. It is sad really, but his army hasn't changed in all that time just because he demands that level of excellence of his painting, but can't fulfill it. So his crazy expectation has pretty muched stopped his hobby dead in its tracks.

I definitely understand your pain as I've had almost 3 decades of looking at amazingly painted citadel minis now and I get it.

Skriker

 milkboy wrote:
Whats annoying to me is that my army is direct order only. I don't get to walk into the FLGS and browse and buy something.

I'll go with this. It would be nice to get to go into my FLGW and just browse through the shelves, looking for something new to add to my army and getting to take the box home with me. Instead, I have to wait a few days before getting ahold of any models I want. It's not unbearable, but it is kinda awkward. Hopefully it'll change someday.

The people who haven't figured out how to wipe their own asses (that don't have serious handicaps), and the asshats who are so narcissistic that they can't accept other people's ideas, and anything they haven't personally come up with is wrong. Thankfully, I haven't really seen those kinds of people in person, but they exist on here and other game forums.

 SRSFACE wrote:
To me the most annoying aspect of the hobby is the disconnect between actual players and their behavior IRL and their behavior online. Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things. People in person at least in my experiences in the southwestern United States communicate and have a blast playing with each other, and when it comes to the actual hobby aspect of collecting and assembling minis everyone I've ever met has been extremely helpful with one another.

The disconnect actually goes both ways. It isn't that people are angry all the time online, it is just that people are too ready to assume the most negative connotations of any posts they read on-line, especially if the opinion they are reading is a dissenting opinion due to a completely lack of any of the standard visual queues we use in face to face communication. Disagreement is not an instant indicator of anger or hate directed at someone, but alot of people take it as such online. So that adds to the perception of people being jerks online. Honestly around here only a few faces seem to be consistently jerky as to really come across that way regularly. The rest I just figue I am taking a post the wrong way and try to read it again from in a non-angry kind of mental voice and that usually helps. I generally won't say something to someone online that I won't say to them face to face.

I guarantee if you just read posts as if it is a reponse from one of your local community friends it will change your perception of the online community in a big way.

Skriker

My lack of patience when painting. Lack of sculpting ability. Playing against peolple who don't seem to enjoy the game.

People who hide in a corner and dont move with ranged units, resulting in a game with no combats and me getting tabled because i play slugga boyz on foot and walkers.

gork and possibly mork wrote:


People who hide in a corner and dont move with ranged units, resulting in a game with no combats and me getting tabled because i play slugga boyz on foot and walkers.

Trukks? Battlewagons?

Most definately Greater Unclean ones. Seriously... If you want to play a few games go shower at least once or twice a week or use deoderant. The smell was so bad two weeks ago at my local GW on gamingnight, the guy smelled like a legit Nurgle ritual.

Talizvar wrote:Easiest way to let that one go is knowing typically that is all that person ever does: they are (usually) professionally trained artists who work on one model for days full time but do not play the game. I suspect you are part of that impatient group that wants to have a "playable" level of detail = knowing when to draw the line and not spend another 8 hours on that model. You have it within you to create models THAT good but the effort and time to step up your game would cause other needed parts of your life to suffer.
At best, allow them to "inspire you", at worst, say "I could do that if I had all the time in the world.". But you already know this...

Skriker wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.
I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

It all depends on how you live your life, Stompa. All those minis you see in White Dwarf are painted by people who are PAID to sit there and paint armies for the studio. It is nice and easy to perfect one's technique when all you do all day is paint and model minis, especially when you can get paid to do it as well so no one is complaining that the bills are being ignored while you keep painting away.
My painting is pretty decent, but hardly to the old heavy metal standards and will never be golden daemon standard. I have too many hobbies, and too many minis, to spend all my spare time in a whole month just painting a single model to perfection. Some people have the right combo of artistic ability and free time to make it happen. Most people don't. There is another side to that concept as well. I have a good friend who will ONLY paint to that higher level standard, but his life these days affords him few opportunities to paint to that level anymore, so he hasn't painted anything in about 8 years. It is sad really, but his army hasn't changed in all that time just because he demands that level of excellence of his painting, but can't fulfill it. So his crazy expectation has pretty muched stopped his hobby dead in its tracks.
I definitely understand your pain as I've had almost 3 decades of looking at amazingly painted citadel minis now and I get it.

Skriker

I've been in the hobby for about 28 years now. I am amazed at how the styles have come on, techniques have improved and real works of art get put out now. I do look at these pictures and baulk at my own results in comparison. I think you are both right about time, the idea of taking each paint and thinning it from what we get in the pots, for example, as is recommended so many places boggles me as it would take ages and I am a slow painter anyway. How would you even do that without going mad when trying to complete a unit of 30 ork boyz?!?

Also I bought an airbrush a year or so ago, a very nice one and it's been a bit of a 'caveman with a ray gun' scenario, again, trying to achieve what I see online has evaded me and I'm instead using a top of the line piece of equipment for basic color coatings and only now working on doing basic camo on vehicles.

The Grumpy Eldar wrote:Most definately Greater Unclean ones. Seriously... If you want to play a few games go shower at least once or twice a week or use deoderant. The smell was so bad two weeks ago at my local GW on gamingnight, the guy smelled like a legit Nurgle ritual.

I'm a husky lad, I'm seriously unfashionable, but this really irritates me, that these people don't understand or don't even care to wash, to put on clean clothes or use toiletries. I don't give a gak if you're a 600lb ogryn, take a bath, wear fresh clothes. That particular smell, it's not new sweat, it's old funk, it's not cleaning yourself properly. Stale goo and piss smell, poor diet and old BO. These people disgust me, not just for the smell, but for letting the side down, for allowing people outside the hobby to associate me with these dirty bastards. They embarrass the rest of us. My wife eventually refused to attend our local store due to the smell of some of the gamers there (MtG chaps, not 40k) who just reeked. Lads, sort it out, get some self respect and a regime of personal hygiene, cos she's never going to know what a sweet, sensitive guy you are, if the girl of your dreams can't get within 20 yards of you without wanting to throw up.

Slight hypocrisy to follow, for which I apologise. I'm just sick of coming to forums for inspiration only for my motivation to be turned flacid.

What I hate: The incessant uninformed whining. The internet thing the Crimson Slaughter cs was the worst mistake GW ever made, no one would buy it, etc... Then once it was released people really like all aspects of it.

I just wish people could wait until they have the product in their hands to make an informed opinion (and even then if they don't like the product after taking a look at it just don't buy it and don't moan about it).

For their own sake, as well as mine/others, I just wish these folks could focus on the things they actually enjoy!

The smell, far too often other gamers simply stink be it card games or wargames. On a busy sat I had a hard time just walking into the bunker as gamer funk was just overpowering, it's one thing if you have been gaming all d ay or the AC is out, but I'd try and get there right at opening and it'd still stink to high hell so people were arriving there unwashed.

I just don't get how people can take so little pride in themselves that they will go out in public is stale dirty clothes awash in BO or urine smells. Store owners need to realize that smelly players actually deter business and drive away other customers. The locker room at my local gym smells better than most gaming stores and it's completely disgusting.

 paulson games wrote:
The smell, far too often other gamers simply stink be it card games or wargames. On a busy sat I had a hard time just walking into the bunker as gamer funk was just overpowering, it's one thing if you have been gaming all d ay or the AC is out, but I'd try and get there right at opening and it'd still stink to high hell so people were arriving there unwashed.

I just don't get how people can take so little pride in themselves that they will go out in public is stale dirty clothes awash in BO or urine smells. Store owners need to realize that smelly players actually deter business and drive away other customers. The locker room at my local gym smells better than most gaming stores and it's completely disgusting.

The solution!

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
WAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!! *punches laptop screen*

Thank you for demonstraing my point, for me one of the most annoying aspects of this hobby is the zerg swarm of haters, ragers and would be expecerts that popluates every gaming forum. My annoyances online aside I also strongly dislike as mentioned before is this thread unwashed gamers and such fell creatures of the empyrian.
Oh and I also have a special place resverved for people whom always feels the need to gripe on and on how about x game is sooooo much better than 40k, fantasy or anything else GW put out. Yes I do realize that all GW games sometimes can be a bit unhinged as far as rules goes, but I do not see the need to constaly gripe about how bad someone thinks it it. Or how everyone should just throw away their armies and start playing game Y for that matter

I must admit that sometimes I wish I had chosen psychology as a career because the number of bizarre personality types I have come across in over 30 years of wargaming would have provided me with a massive research bank!

I am pleased to say I have made many good friends who are great and are not necessarily "normal" by the standards of the rest of the world. This by far outweighs the few "unfortunate" folks who have tended to pop up and wreck what was otherwise a great experience.

However, of all the irritating, self-absorbed personality types that have caused irritation however, I would rank number one as "fat blokes who insist on wearing backpacks when wandering around crowded conventions". The next time I get whacked in the face by some ignorant neck-bearded loon's flask-and-sandwich-box-containing-backpack because he is too stupid to realize, or even care, that he can't comfortably squeeze his sweaty, lard-encrusted frame through the narrow space between me and my neighbour, I swear I am going to ram it down his cheeto-stained gullet!

.... and breathe.

But humanity aside, my greatest hatred is also reserved for mould lines. It's bad enough that you have to waste precious hobby time doing something so trivial and fiddly, but it just tops the biscuit when, as usual, you get the model finished and then proudly take a photograph to show off proudly to the online world, and bang, front and centre is an ugly fething mould line you never spotted dring that whole process!

Trying to schedule a game when everyone can play,
Or being the one who's schedule changes, causing me to have to cancel.

Assembly.

I hate glue, and knives, and the combination of the two with my fingers.

 Skriker wrote:
There is another side to that concept as well. I have a good friend who will ONLY paint to that higher level standard, but his life these days affords him few opportunities to paint to that level anymore, so he hasn't painted anything in about 8 years. It is sad really, but his army hasn't changed in all that time just because he demands that level of excellence of his painting, but can't fulfill it. So his crazy expectation has pretty muched stopped his hobby dead in its tracks.
Skriker

Bam. That right there is my biggest problem.

I just can't bear to put down a tidy basecoat, a wash, and some highlights and leave it at that.... I browse galleries and see awesome exaples of zenthial highlighting, source lighting, non-metal metallics, etc and think 'wow! I've got a steady hand and the ability to learn, i'm sure with a little dedication I can do stuff like that'. The result is I have a ton of models that are either unfinished - because I want to make sure that I can paint the 'perfect' skull before I start painting all seven million of them - or just sat basecoated in a drawer because I have convinced myself that painting an entire army to showcase standard is what I will do even if it kills me and I just don't have the time to do it

And mould lines. Natch.

 Formosa wrote:
The people, my god it's the people, over the years it's started to grind me down so now I can't even pretend to listen to why some 40 year old neckbeard thinks that blood angels are the best and ultramarines are crap.. Just walk away now, sad thing is I feel rude doing it but just cannot be bothered with the great unwashed breathing all over me anymore..

This is like the attitude of Faulty Towers: I could play 40k properly if it were not for all the players...

It takes all kinds to make the planet go round.
The really insane people can be fun to play (only once mind you!).
Approach it as good material for comedy and you are part way there.
I know a guy that cringes when I say "I paint my space marines while the bolter is attached"... I say it often.
I played a guy that ONLY fields Forge World stuff, yes, he has a Titan...
I played a guy with partially assembled Orks with splashes of green here and there but he literally has hundreds of them and plays them like a green tide. To this day I still have no idea what those blob squads had for load-out. He carries them in a box.
I have played against hardboard cut-outs with printed pictures of models pasted to them and they were spammed within an inch of their lives, I said I would be back with my cardboard Titan and Baneblade.

There are so many people in these forums I would love to play from the worst of fluff bunny furries to the hard core WAAC monsters out there: you all have passion for the hobby so I can respect that.

Annoying is GW changing things so fundamentally that I feel a need to rage at them even though "it is only a game".

 Osbad wrote:
I would rank number one as "fat blokes who insist on wearing backpacks when wandering around crowded conventions". The next time I get whacked in the face by some ignorant neck-bearded loon's flask-and-sandwich-box-containing-backpack because he is too stupid to realize, or even care, that he can't comfortably squeeze his sweaty, lard-encrusted frame through the narrow space between me and my neighbour, I swear I am going to ram it down his cheeto-stained gullet!

.... and breathe.

I actually laughed out loud reading this, hahaha.

 Osbad wrote:

However, of all the irritating, self-absorbed personality types that have caused irritation however, I would rank number one as "fat blokes who insist on wearing backpacks when wandering around crowded conventions". The next time I get whacked in the face by some ignorant neck-bearded loon's flask-and-sandwich-box-containing-backpack because he is too stupid to realize, or even care, that he can't comfortably squeeze his sweaty, lard-encrusted frame through the narrow space between me and my neighbour, I swear I am going to ram it down his cheeto-stained gullet!

.... and breathe.

It sounds like you've been to GenCon! In addition to the over-sized backpack, they also have a giant cart they're dragging behind them, banging into people's shins, knees, display cases, children, baby strollers...

1) The fact that at night when I'm trying to sleep I can come up with great ideas for characters and fluff but in the morning I can't really remember the good points.

2)The fact there's no FLGS near me, there's something about going into a shop and being able to browse the shelves to find something and I hate waiting for stuff top arrive.

3)How much I love modelling, which means that I make models at a rate my painting just can't keep up to.

My massive backlog of partially painted models hat i was going to finish until i saw the next shiny thing

The odd game when Murphys law kicks in and every roll goes the wrong way.

 master of ordinance wrote:
My massive backlog of partially painted models hat i was going to finish until i saw the next shiny thing

I think there are a lot of people in this same position.

Skriker

 master of ordinance wrote:
My massive backlog of partially painted models hat i was going to finish until i saw the next shiny thing

Backlog? Try being a Tyranid player

Tyranids have it easy. Try being an ORK player

High cost just to get fantasy bitz for my ig. Don't worry 'Steel Bone' Sven, you'll get your great sword and orc helmet soon, just, standard guardsmen come first since I use them more.

 Ascalam wrote:
Tyranids have it easy. Try being an ORK player

Think that's bad? Try Skaven.

 malfred wrote:
Assembly.

I hate glue, and knives, and the combination of the two with my fingers.

On the plus side when the knives combine with your fingers, the glue will help solve the problem. I put a new blade on and forgot that when the blade is new, cleaning A. requires less force, and B. Hand placement needs to be different for your fingers sake.

Was bleeding all over, literally made a solid chunk of bandages and super glue on my finger. Two days later took it off, was good to go..

Mold lines and most of my WM army being direct order metal.

EDIT: superglue fingers.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Tyranids have it easy. Try being an ORK player

Think that's bad? Try Skaven.

I have. I found them far easier to paint, even en-masse, than orks.

Far less buckles, straps, and gubbins

I lurked on this thread for awhile, but I just moved to a new area, so instead of inviting friends over for a game, I went to the FLGS this week to try and meet some new people and get a game. I have to sound off here. It's the smell.

I went on Tuesday night. The layout of the store is such that there's a fairly large gaming room (I'd say about 40'x80') at the back; the actual sales part of the store is about the same size, and you have to walk through there to get to the gaming room.

I could smell the BO from about ten feet into the store.

Granted, I have a somewhat sensitive nose, and it turned out to be one particular culprit, and eventually he left. But please:

If you are going to a gaming store anywhere to interact with strangers, and you haven't taken a shower in 24 hours, do so first. It's the goddamned civil thing to do.

Cleaning and getting mold lines off of Forge World. I'm so nervous about the dust that I wear a makeshift Hazmat suit every time I clean/drill/scream at/etc. a FW model

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The Power Creep trends.

We had the flyer craze (Stormtalons, Storm Ravens, etc)
We had the Big Walker craze (Riptide, Wraithknight, Imperial Knight).
And now we've got the Superheavy, Fortification and D-Weapon craze. (Titans and D-Weapons in small games of 40K? )


Is it even possible to have fun when you take a sensible balanced list including a variety of infantry, jump infantry, flyers and tanks...and your opponent slaps down a massive Superheavy with powerful D-Weapons and void shields that you can barely scratch and the bare minimum of HQ & Troops?

While a ton of stuff on this thread I agree with, I'd say this would have to be #1, especially since my one friend makes up for his bad luck by going overboard on that crap.
I'm not kidding when I say the has almost every flier GWS/Forge World makes (excluding the Necron Croissants and the large superheavy fliers like the Manta), and his tau has 4 "classic" Riptides and a "R'Varna" Riptide (I haven't checked his points, but with he claims he can fit 4 riptides into a 2000 point game). Im dreading the day we start killing his Riptides and he goes all Escalation expansion on us

Along the same vein I'd have to say the "Fluff Power Creep" in 40k and Fantasy as well. I know that 40k is over the top anyway, but its getting crazy... or I guess.... crazier. I'll bet that 7th Ed space marine sergeants can punch a planet in half