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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.
I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

Easiest way to let that one go is knowing typically that is all that person ever does: they are (usually) professionally trained artists who work on one model for days full time but do not play the game.
I suspect you are part of that impatient group that wants to have a "playable" level of detail = knowing when to draw the line and not spend another 8 hours on that model.
You have it within you to create models THAT good but the effort and time to step up your game would cause other needed parts of your life to suffer.
At best, allow them to "inspire you", at worst, say "I could do that if I had all the time in the world.".
But you already know this...

So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

 jdamaso111 wrote:
Players who think everything must be painted to be on a table top and who whine about it. Some people don't like the way they paint and would rather have a bare or primed model on the table. I would rather basecoat a model and do a few details on it then spend hours painting it into a blobbish mess taking away from the model. I feel like that drives a lot of people away from the hobby because of snobs who stand up on a pedestal.

Part of the fun is the spectacle of the thing, as stated before, unpainted devolves to little more than chess pieces = it ignores completely the other aspect of the hobby.
I find it hard to criticize when obvious effort is put into something, I had some guy with a "grey legion" make fun of my paint job I just looked at him like he was insane.
I painted one squad at a time when I started (10 models).
By the time I finished my third squad I wanted to redo the first: you would be surprised how quickly you develop painting skills.
Hope you change your mind on this one but I can understand the "I want it to look good or not be painted at all." you put yourself out there (for praise or ridicule) when you paint your models.



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 Ravenous D wrote:
The most annoying aspect of the hobby is when you drop a bit and try and catch it with your legs and crush your nards in the process.

Or the piece continues to the floor and goes through some "warp gate" only to be found easily later when you had already moved on.

As an adult, it can be hard to find time to paint models, let alone even assemble or prime them. Job, family, sports, etc - all take up a large portion of time, as does putting paint on a model so that it's not offensive to the eye. That being, I like to try out units a number of times before committing a paint brush to them. So I'm certainly guilty of fielding armies of grey once in awhile.

My biggest annoyance though is guys compensating through their army lists. Challenge yourself for once.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
My big one is more a gripe with "gamer culture" in general. I've seen it work its way into my gaming group and it makes me see red. I've encountered racism, sexism, and bullying amongst people who are usually "othered" on a regular basis.

I didn't realize how bad the 4chan "yr mom" think had gotten until it seaped into a casual game of Monsterpocalypse recently (yes, we dusted it off and played, and it was awesome).

This guy just kept going ON AND ON about how his monster was going to "rape face", and I later heard that the "rape train" only has one setting and no brakes. When I think about the startling number of women who've been the victims of sexual assault, I'm not surprised to hear that few girls are in this hobby. That would be a major trigger if someone talked about forcing themselves on you.

Like I said, this is more a gripe with gaming culture, but it definitely has ruined a game or two for me.


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Oh, and mold lines.

Thanks for posting this. I totally agree. The worst part is that sometimes I can find myself getting caught up in it, simply because you get engaged in a game where it's so prevalent and you stop actually thinking about these things and what they actually mean (and, more important, the more significant impact and meaning they could have on others). It's always good to have a guy stop and go "wait, hold on a second, this isn't cool...".

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

Not the only person! I admit it's mildly relaxing to sit back while watching schlocky cop shows on TV and remove mould lines before I get around to assembling my miniatures.

To me the most annoying aspect of the hobby is the disconnect between actual players and their behavior IRL and their behavior online. Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things. People in person at least in my experiences in the southwestern United States communicate and have a blast playing with each other, and when it comes to the actual hobby aspect of collecting and assembling minis everyone I've ever met has been extremely helpful with one another.

Mould lines.

Trying to get things primed. That is mainly because it has been to cold to prime outside, so now I have one month to get everything in my army painted for adepticon. Basically this spring break is gonna be writing, painting and a break for Dark Souls 2. Heavy forbid when titanfall comes out.

Sigh, if I am lucky I will get to play both.

 SRSFACE wrote:
Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things.

It is rather strange, isn't it?

It seems to me all quarrelling online follows the same pattern: someone makes a statement, another person harshly disagrees, the first one takes offense and defends his honor by insulting the second person. Now it is not about a subject anymore. It is personal. All reason is lost and parts involved resort to bad manners.

In person, they would most probably be politely disagreeing on the subject and immediately moving on.

matgc wrote:

 SRSFACE wrote:
Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things.

It is rather strange, isn't it?

It seems to me all quarrelling online follows the same pattern: someone makes a statement, another person harshly disagrees, the first one takes offense and defends his honor by insulting the second person. Now it is not about a subject anymore. It is personal. All reason is lost and parts involved resort to bad manners.

In person, they would most probably be politely disagreeing on the subject and immediately moving on.

I blame this on communication error, and I don't mean reading their post wrong, I mean in terms of how human communication is meant to work. In person, half these arguments wouldn't happen, because you are face to face, can read their tone, their facial expressions, body language etc, all these are key factors in communicating and understanding, and people forget that it is all lost in an online environment, in text form. So people rage more often because they can only assume from text what the person is really getting at.

WAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!! *punches laptop screen*

For me it's assembly. I don't mind painting at all (I find it relaxing), but there's nothing more infuriating than glue mishaps, particularly when the points of contact are miniscule. I think I spent an honest 45 minutes once trying to glue a sword-blade onto a hilt, only to eventually give up and just give the dude a thunder hammer.

Internet Hatethink.

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol
Must say though, from reading this, I'm a bit apprehensive about learning to play and what my first few games will be like xD

If you're playing with friends that aren't just 'people that also happen to play the games I play" friends, then you'll be fine. Otherwise you're rolling the same terrifying Dice Of Miserable Social Interaction as the rest of us when we have pick up games.

 Glaiceana wrote:
So I guess I really am the only person who doesn't mind removing mold lines at all lol

I'm an old school modeller. There's nothing about the modelling particulars that bother me. Not even the 2nd edition "carve your own Land Speeder out of this lead ingot" are much more than an amusing anecdote.

matgc wrote:
Another upseting point for me is to play against unpainted armies.

You ask to keep the GW hatred out of the thread and then you bring up unpainted armies. Flame bait for sure. Hahahahahaha!

There are three things I dislike in the hobby:

1) People who feel that anyone who doesn't play THEIR favorite game are some how stupid idiots when all it is is a rules choice.

2) People from group one who denigrate other games on the market, but have only ever played ONE table top miniatures game ever so have zero perspective on the overall hobby.

3) People who put the onus of their own gaming obsessive habits/quirks on others when it is really their own problem. These are the people who expect/demand the game be a certain way so will not play other players that do not fufill this for them, and do their best to make the other player look and/or feel bad despite the fact that they are the one with the actual problem.

To avoid the unpainted army insanity, for my example I will use those who demand people paint their armies the "right way". Say a player has a "space wolf" army, but they far prefer the color green OR even more subtley prefer the original more basic gray the wovles used to be colored before all this blue gray nonsense. The kind fo player that bothers me will either not play the wolf player saying something like "You painted your army wrong. Space wolves are supposed to be blue gray. You can't play me." or they will play the game and complain about the color difference the entire game.

For sake of politeness I think these people need to own their own problems for a change and must change their delivery to something like: "I am a bit of a prat and really picky about paint schemes. I see you have used a non-standard paint scheme on your space wolf army, so I will pull myself back as a possible opponent and save you the pain of listening to me complain about it through the entire game." In this way they take ownership of the fact they are the one with the problem and stop blaming people who are only trying to enjoy the hobby themselves.

The most extreme example are those people who are so diehard against unpainted armies they will *demand* an opponent use one of their extra painted armies to have the *privilege* to play a game against them. These people need to leave their extra armies at home and politely explain they prefer to only play against opponents with painted armies and stop being such egotistical prats.

Mind you, I have no problems with either of these player types having the quirk they do in the hobby, we all have that line we prefer to be met for a game, but I have a problem with them pretty much always blaming the person on the other side of the table for something that is most definitely a personal issue.

Skriker

The people, my god it's the people, over the years it's started to grind me down so now I can't even pretend to listen to why some 40 year old neckbeard thinks that blood angels are the best and ultramarines are crap.. Just walk away now, sad thing is I feel rude doing it but just cannot be bothered with the great unwashed breathing all over me anymore..

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.

I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

It all depends on how you live your life, Stompa. All those minis you see in White Dwarf are painted by people who are PAID to sit there and paint armies for the studio. It is nice and easy to perfect one's technique when all you do all day is paint and model minis, especially when you can get paid to do it as well so no one is complaining that the bills are being ignored while you keep painting away.

My painting is pretty decent, but hardly to the old heavy metal standards and will never be golden daemon standard. I have too many hobbies, and too many minis, to spend all my spare time in a whole month just painting a single model to perfection. Some people have the right combo of artistic ability and free time to make it happen. Most people don't. There is another side to that concept as well. I have a good friend who will ONLY paint to that higher level standard, but his life these days affords him few opportunities to paint to that level anymore, so he hasn't painted anything in about 8 years. It is sad really, but his army hasn't changed in all that time just because he demands that level of excellence of his painting, but can't fulfill it. So his crazy expectation has pretty muched stopped his hobby dead in its tracks.

I definitely understand your pain as I've had almost 3 decades of looking at amazingly painted citadel minis now and I get it.

Skriker

 milkboy wrote:
Whats annoying to me is that my army is direct order only. I don't get to walk into the FLGS and browse and buy something.

I'll go with this. It would be nice to get to go into my FLGW and just browse through the shelves, looking for something new to add to my army and getting to take the box home with me. Instead, I have to wait a few days before getting ahold of any models I want. It's not unbearable, but it is kinda awkward. Hopefully it'll change someday.

The people who haven't figured out how to wipe their own asses (that don't have serious handicaps), and the asshats who are so narcissistic that they can't accept other people's ideas, and anything they haven't personally come up with is wrong. Thankfully, I haven't really seen those kinds of people in person, but they exist on here and other game forums.

 SRSFACE wrote:
To me the most annoying aspect of the hobby is the disconnect between actual players and their behavior IRL and their behavior online. Everybody online is angry all the time, and get hung up on the silliest little minor things. People in person at least in my experiences in the southwestern United States communicate and have a blast playing with each other, and when it comes to the actual hobby aspect of collecting and assembling minis everyone I've ever met has been extremely helpful with one another.

The disconnect actually goes both ways. It isn't that people are angry all the time online, it is just that people are too ready to assume the most negative connotations of any posts they read on-line, especially if the opinion they are reading is a dissenting opinion due to a completely lack of any of the standard visual queues we use in face to face communication. Disagreement is not an instant indicator of anger or hate directed at someone, but alot of people take it as such online. So that adds to the perception of people being jerks online. Honestly around here only a few faces seem to be consistently jerky as to really come across that way regularly. The rest I just figue I am taking a post the wrong way and try to read it again from in a non-angry kind of mental voice and that usually helps. I generally won't say something to someone online that I won't say to them face to face.

I guarantee if you just read posts as if it is a reponse from one of your local community friends it will change your perception of the online community in a big way.

Skriker

My lack of patience when painting. Lack of sculpting ability. Playing against peolple who don't seem to enjoy the game.

People who hide in a corner and dont move with ranged units, resulting in a game with no combats and me getting tabled because i play slugga boyz on foot and walkers.

gork and possibly mork wrote:


People who hide in a corner and dont move with ranged units, resulting in a game with no combats and me getting tabled because i play slugga boyz on foot and walkers.

Trukks? Battlewagons?

Most definately Greater Unclean ones. Seriously... If you want to play a few games go shower at least once or twice a week or use deoderant. The smell was so bad two weeks ago at my local GW on gamingnight, the guy smelled like a legit Nurgle ritual.

Talizvar wrote:Easiest way to let that one go is knowing typically that is all that person ever does: they are (usually) professionally trained artists who work on one model for days full time but do not play the game. I suspect you are part of that impatient group that wants to have a "playable" level of detail = knowing when to draw the line and not spend another 8 hours on that model. You have it within you to create models THAT good but the effort and time to step up your game would cause other needed parts of your life to suffer.
At best, allow them to "inspire you", at worst, say "I could do that if I had all the time in the world.". But you already know this...

Skriker wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
For me, it's the mix of amazement and depression when I see so many beautifully painted and converted models online and realise I will never come close to them, never attain the level of artistry I sit and wonder at.
I am something of a perfectionist, I paint, I convert and I sit and look at my minis and am sad that I cannot match, nor ever will, the wonderful works the internet has shown me.

It all depends on how you live your life, Stompa. All those minis you see in White Dwarf are painted by people who are PAID to sit there and paint armies for the studio. It is nice and easy to perfect one's technique when all you do all day is paint and model minis, especially when you can get paid to do it as well so no one is complaining that the bills are being ignored while you keep painting away.
My painting is pretty decent, but hardly to the old heavy metal standards and will never be golden daemon standard. I have too many hobbies, and too many minis, to spend all my spare time in a whole month just painting a single model to perfection. Some people have the right combo of artistic ability and free time to make it happen. Most people don't. There is another side to that concept as well. I have a good friend who will ONLY paint to that higher level standard, but his life these days affords him few opportunities to paint to that level anymore, so he hasn't painted anything in about 8 years. It is sad really, but his army hasn't changed in all that time just because he demands that level of excellence of his painting, but can't fulfill it. So his crazy expectation has pretty muched stopped his hobby dead in its tracks.
I definitely understand your pain as I've had almost 3 decades of looking at amazingly painted citadel minis now and I get it.

Skriker

I've been in the hobby for about 28 years now. I am amazed at how the styles have come on, techniques have improved and real works of art get put out now. I do look at these pictures and baulk at my own results in comparison. I think you are both right about time, the idea of taking each paint and thinning it from what we get in the pots, for example, as is recommended so many places boggles me as it would take ages and I am a slow painter anyway. How would you even do that without going mad when trying to complete a unit of 30 ork boyz?!?

Also I bought an airbrush a year or so ago, a very nice one and it's been a bit of a 'caveman with a ray gun' scenario, again, trying to achieve what I see online has evaded me and I'm instead using a top of the line piece of equipment for basic color coatings and only now working on doing basic camo on vehicles.

The Grumpy Eldar wrote:Most definately Greater Unclean ones. Seriously... If you want to play a few games go shower at least once or twice a week or use deoderant. The smell was so bad two weeks ago at my local GW on gamingnight, the guy smelled like a legit Nurgle ritual.

I'm a husky lad, I'm seriously unfashionable, but this really irritates me, that these people don't understand or don't even care to wash, to put on clean clothes or use toiletries. I don't give a gak if you're a 600lb ogryn, take a bath, wear fresh clothes. That particular smell, it's not new sweat, it's old funk, it's not cleaning yourself properly. Stale goo and piss smell, poor diet and old BO. These people disgust me, not just for the smell, but for letting the side down, for allowing people outside the hobby to associate me with these dirty bastards. They embarrass the rest of us. My wife eventually refused to attend our local store due to the smell of some of the gamers there (MtG chaps, not 40k) who just reeked. Lads, sort it out, get some self respect and a regime of personal hygiene, cos she's never going to know what a sweet, sensitive guy you are, if the girl of your dreams can't get within 20 yards of you without wanting to throw up.

Slight hypocrisy to follow, for which I apologise. I'm just sick of coming to forums for inspiration only for my motivation to be turned flacid.

What I hate: The incessant uninformed whining. The internet thing the Crimson Slaughter cs was the worst mistake GW ever made, no one would buy it, etc... Then once it was released people really like all aspects of it.

I just wish people could wait until they have the product in their hands to make an informed opinion (and even then if they don't like the product after taking a look at it just don't buy it and don't moan about it).

For their own sake, as well as mine/others, I just wish these folks could focus on the things they actually enjoy!

The smell, far too often other gamers simply stink be it card games or wargames. On a busy sat I had a hard time just walking into the bunker as gamer funk was just overpowering, it's one thing if you have been gaming all d ay or the AC is out, but I'd try and get there right at opening and it'd still stink to high hell so people were arriving there unwashed.

I just don't get how people can take so little pride in themselves that they will go out in public is stale dirty clothes awash in BO or urine smells. Store owners need to realize that smelly players actually deter business and drive away other customers. The locker room at my local gym smells better than most gaming stores and it's completely disgusting.

 paulson games wrote:
The smell, far too often other gamers simply stink be it card games or wargames. On a busy sat I had a hard time just walking into the bunker as gamer funk was just overpowering, it's one thing if you have been gaming all d ay or the AC is out, but I'd try and get there right at opening and it'd still stink to high hell so people were arriving there unwashed.

I just don't get how people can take so little pride in themselves that they will go out in public is stale dirty clothes awash in BO or urine smells. Store owners need to realize that smelly players actually deter business and drive away other customers. The locker room at my local gym smells better than most gaming stores and it's completely disgusting.

The solution!

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
WAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!! *punches laptop screen*

Thank you for demonstraing my point, for me one of the most annoying aspects of this hobby is the zerg swarm of haters, ragers and would be expecerts that popluates every gaming forum. My annoyances online aside I also strongly dislike as mentioned before is this thread unwashed gamers and such fell creatures of the empyrian.
Oh and I also have a special place resverved for people whom always feels the need to gripe on and on how about x game is sooooo much better than 40k, fantasy or anything else GW put out. Yes I do realize that all GW games sometimes can be a bit unhinged as far as rules goes, but I do not see the need to constaly gripe about how bad someone thinks it it. Or how everyone should just throw away their armies and start playing game Y for that matter

I must admit that sometimes I wish I had chosen psychology as a career because the number of bizarre personality types I have come across in over 30 years of wargaming would have provided me with a massive research bank!

I am pleased to say I have made many good friends who are great and are not necessarily "normal" by the standards of the rest of the world. This by far outweighs the few "unfortunate" folks who have tended to pop up and wreck what was otherwise a great experience.

However, of all the irritating, self-absorbed personality types that have caused irritation however, I would rank number one as "fat blokes who insist on wearing backpacks when wandering around crowded conventions". The next time I get whacked in the face by some ignorant neck-bearded loon's flask-and-sandwich-box-containing-backpack because he is too stupid to realize, or even care, that he can't comfortably squeeze his sweaty, lard-encrusted frame through the narrow space between me and my neighbour, I swear I am going to ram it down his cheeto-stained gullet!

.... and breathe.

But humanity aside, my greatest hatred is also reserved for mould lines. It's bad enough that you have to waste precious hobby time doing something so trivial and fiddly, but it just tops the biscuit when, as usual, you get the model finished and then proudly take a photograph to show off proudly to the online world, and bang, front and centre is an ugly fething mould line you never spotted dring that whole process!