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What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby, in your opinion?

Let's keep this thread GW-hatred free, please. It is ok to mention industry policies as the most annoying thing for you, but let's avoid turning this into yet another jeedub bashing thread.


What annoys me the most is waiting for stuff to arrive from mail. I live in Brazil, and so I have to import from Europe or USA anything hobby-related. If I order as priority delivery, it is quite expensive and takes about a month to get to my door. Orders that come as first mail take anything from 2 to 4 months to arrive (!), and there is always the risk of it falling into the dreaded black hole of worldwide postal services...

Because of that , I make a habit of ordering multiples of any paint bottle I buy, so I always have spare. I can't think of anything more damaging to my painting spirits than suddenly finding out that my paint bottle is done, while I'm still half way through a mini, and so have to order a new one and sit that mini aside for months until the paint arrives.

I can only imagine how awesome it must be to be able to order hobby stuff in your own country. Being able to get stuff to your door in a couple days, customs-free... It's a distant dream for us here...

Another upseting point for me is to play against unpainted armies. Now, I don't oppose that, and in fact regularly play friends with such armies. I understand that many people simply don't have the patient or the will to paint armies, and are mostly interested in the gaming aspect of this hobby, but I myself am mostly a hobbyst, and cherish the emotional involment I can get in a game, diving into the battle I'm playing, creating rich mental pictures of the clashes of regiments and batalions as I move my toy soldiers around the table. All of this gets pretty depressing when armies on the table are on bare metal/plastic. It is then hard to imagine that scene as more than simply toy playing.

What about you guys? What are your top grievances on this hobby?

Whats annoying to me is that my army is direct order only. I don't get to walk into the FLGS and browse and buy something. Except maybe dice.

What's most annoying for me is that wargaming isn't as popular as other forms of games. I live in the middle of nowhere, so everything is mail ordered and good luck in finding a game around here.

I find painting depressing and most of the time Its a matter of a measure of how content I am with the result rather than whether I'm pleased with it.

I find modelling fun because kitbashing and converting I'm quite capable of doing well, but the filing down of mould lines can be super-tedious when you're trying to build something like 10-20 Cadians, where you have to be extremely careful on the head or the shoulder armour or you get ugly looking dents in them.

Oh, and finding games is the third most annoying part. Usually I don't have the time to spare to look for one or sort one in advance, and there aren't many places where I can reliably pick up one.

I’ve recently bust open my Dreadball and Deadzone boxes, so currently the thing most annoying me is slack, lazy, poor quality casting and no obvious quality control.

For me, it's the gamers

Not all of them, to be sure, but that small section of the community...

I play my lists in a somewhat fluff-driven way. I like to come up with background for my armies and name my characters (and have specific equipment loads for those names. As far as possible i like to have my armies painted.

When playing i'm pretty laid back. I will allow people to shoot with units they forgot or move them, even after they have said 'on to assault' or whatever, as long as it's not more than a min or so after.

It's just the way i roll.


The folk that depress me:

The WAAChole. - Always looking for a roflstomp with no losses he can brag about. Cheats subtly, or sometimes blatantly, games the rules, pitches a fit if he loses.

The Whiner - Fine as long as everything is going his way. The moment you do something cool he demands a recount. Spends most of the game complaining about your army/gw/game balance.

The Herald of Nurgle - jeez man, bathe and change clothes once in a while! Always seems to be in the same outfit, and your eyes start to sting 50 feet away.

The codex-hopper - The guy with a perpetually totally unpainted army (because they sell better on Ebay that way) who hops codexes constantly as they rise to the top of the power curve.

The RAW Lawyer - should have taken up law as a career. Argues the exact wording of every rule looking for loopholes that pervert the actual intent of the rules. I have no problem with someone debating exactly how two rules interact, but not when it takes 4 hours, or when it's deliberately abused.

The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

Thankfully these types are fairly rare where i play. Most of the folk i play against are great.

Price rise and growing number of GW staff that wont let you talk about anything besides the hobby...

What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby?

All the groupies. Seriously, ladies. I came to the game store to play 40K, not get harassed! Keep your hands to yourself, and knock off the wolf-whistles!

I’m going to have to go with cleaning mold lines. It’s just a chore, nothing rewarding about it.

Cleaning mold lines is a close second.

Not having time to do all of the projects I have in my head is third.

 kronk wrote:
What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby?

All the groupies. Seriously, ladies. I came to the game store to play 40K, not get harassed! Keep your hands to yourself, and knock off the wolf-whistles!

Thats not the hobby, thats just you Kronk

The smell

Smell is 4th. Good call.

I walked into a game store in Houston on a hot August afternoon when their AC had gone out. There were 6 or 8 players in their early 20s or late teens.

Promptly turned around and walked out!

Having people in my gaming group who refuse to try new games, even if you provide everything.
Having to make an hours round trip to my local club to get a game in.
Not having enough time to paint and game as much now I'm an adult.

Finishing an army just in time for a new codex and/or ruleset to render it near useless in the game.

My biggest annoyance is how hard it is to find games.

Mold lines, very much.
I have so much work to do there, that I give up before the painting even begins.
I'm the sort to drill all of the relevant gun barrels, and magnetise, So, I'm handy enough with the tools. It's the time taken to get the mess off the visible areas.

Losing the Holy Orb of Antioch from my Black Templars is #5 on my list of annoyances.

matgc wrote:
What is the most annoying aspect of the hobby, in your opinion?

Painting.

Wow, smae as a lot of you guys I suppose.

Mold lines are a PITA
Bad gamers who bend rules or have no game etiquette (pick up your dice)

The biggest thing for me though has to be building and painting my brain. I mean I have 2 large forces that still need completing but already have designs on new lists etc. I can't work as quickly as my mind unfortunatley.

A mini pet heave is when people pick up their hits/wounds instead of picking up their misses....winds me off the clock....

 Ascalam wrote:
The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

I've actually considered doing this intentionally in tournaments, to give me a psychological edge against my opponent if they care about such things.


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 kronk wrote:
Smell is 4th. Good call.

I walked into a game store in Houston on a hot August afternoon when their AC had gone out. There were 6 or 8 players in their early 20s or late teens.

Promptly turned around and walked out!

My wife and I were in the area of our FLGS to see a movie and had some time to kill before it started. I jokingly said "lets play some 40k", thinking that if she agreed we could play the demo game or something, as I hadn't brought my models. To my surprise she agreed, but it so happened that the GW store was running a tournament, and it was during the summer and that small space had about 20 gamers in it. After about a minute she said that she couldn't handle the smell and walked out.

Other people's expectations in the hobby being projected onto you. Everyone comes into it differently. But not everyone wants to play. Or convert models. Or Paint. To each their own.

When bits shoot off into the carpet nary to return.

 McManiak wrote:
Wow, smae as a lot of you guys I suppose.

Mold lines are a PITA
Bad gamers who bend rules or have no game etiquette (pick up your dice)

The biggest thing for me though has to be building and painting my brain. I mean I have 2 large forces that still need completing but already have designs on new lists etc. I can't work as quickly as my mind unfortunatley.

A mini pet heave is when people pick up their hits/wounds instead of picking up their misses....winds me off the clock....

Why would you pick up misses? You should be rolling the dice you hit with since that is the exact number of dice you need to determine wounds.

I have never seen anybody roll to hit then pick up misses to roll to wound in my life.

You pick up the misses to set them out of the way, first. Then, after you and your opponent have looked at the dice remaining and agree that all of the misses are gone, you pick up the hits and roll them to-wound.

What McManiac is talking about is someone rolling 20-30 dice to-hit, quickly picking up all of the "hits" and rolling them before the opponent can look at them.

It's just a good practice and courtesy to your opponent.

 Ascalam wrote:
For me, it's the gamers

Not all of them, to be sure, but that small section of the community...

I play my lists in a somewhat fluff-driven way. I like to come up with background for my armies and name my characters (and have specific equipment loads for those names. As far as possible i like to have my armies painted.

When playing i'm pretty laid back. I will allow people to shoot with units they forgot or move them, even after they have said 'on to assault' or whatever, as long as it's not more than a min or so after.

It's just the way i roll.


The folk that depress me:

The WAAChole. - Always looking for a roflstomp with no losses he can brag about. Cheats subtly, or sometimes blatantly, games the rules, pitches a fit if he loses.

The Whiner - Fine as long as everything is going his way. The moment you do something cool he demands a recount. Spends most of the game complaining about your army/gw/game balance.

The Herald of Nurgle - jeez man, bathe and change clothes once in a while! Always seems to be in the same outfit, and your eyes start to sting 50 feet away.

The codex-hopper - The guy with a perpetually totally unpainted army (because they sell better on Ebay that way) who hops codexes constantly as they rise to the top of the power curve.

The RAW Lawyer - should have taken up law as a career. Argues the exact wording of every rule looking for loopholes that pervert the actual intent of the rules. I have no problem with someone debating exactly how two rules interact, but not when it takes 4 hours, or when it's deliberately abused.

The Fluff-killer. Ok, so this is a minor one in the great scheme of things. I just find it jarring to play against something like Dark Eldar with Slaanesh daemons and an allied Inquisitor or whatever...

Thankfully these types are fairly rare where i play. Most of the folk i play against are great.

Exalted and agreed!

Assembly and cleaning. It's the most boring part by far and I've paid college kids at the store to do it for me.

My biggest non-game specific complaint is that there is no prepainted option. I would like to have a prepainted option as that part of the hobby has no appeal to some people or is so time intensive that it pushes people out of the hobby. It would rather have a prepainted option than the current option which is grey plastic. If you don't like the color scheme or level of detail, you can always paint it yourself to something different. This would at least allow people to get models on the table that look presentable.

The smell of gw plastic glue. It's so bad... I would end up having the window open for ages to get the smell out.

Removing mould lines and greenstuffing gaps.