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In no particular order:

* Price
* Assembly/mo(u)ld lines, especially in regards to having to pin or magnetize things
* That you don't get all options in a box, and no way outside eBay and some sites with limited quantities to get individual parts.
* TFG who always wants to play high points games so he can field whatever overpriced FW kit he bought

Rabid Fanboiz - even for games that I like.

There are games that I have never tried, or at least never enjoyed, because player X has to extoll the virtues of System Y - whether or not you have any desire to play system Y, or even if you are playing while he prattles on.

The worst that I have seen were a pair of GURPS players that pulled a D&D beginner box out of the hands of a twelve year old, in order to tell the kid that he doesn't want to try D&D - GURPS is the one true game.

The kid left the bookstore without buying any games.

By contrast, there were a bunch of Rifts players that played nothing but Rifts... but never evangelized the gospel of the one true game.

I hate the system in Rifts - but to this day I am about a million times more likely to play Rifts than GURPS, which at least has a system that I can stand.

Mind you, every game has its rabid Fanbois - but GURPS had the most vocal locals.

The Auld Grump

Barfolomew wrote:
My biggest non-game specific complaint is that there is no prepainted option. I would like to have a prepainted option as that part of the hobby has no appeal to some people or is so time intensive that it pushes people out of the hobby. It would rather have a prepainted option than the current option which is grey plastic. If you don't like the color scheme or level of detail, you can always paint it yourself to something different. This would at least allow people to get models on the table that look presentable.

There are painting services out there. I'm sure you could pic up some cheap models secondhand, strip them, and then get them painted for roughly the same cost as buying new from GW (or whatever company you're going with)

Because the building and painting part of models isn't going away any time soon, at least for some of the major companies.

Also, something like X-Wing sounds like it would be right up your ally

Mold lines. I really, really hate mold lines and I always manage to miss one or two.

Too many different, great games that I really want to play and spend significant amount of time on, both building/painting and playing, but not having enough free time for anything like enough of them!

I realise this is a really great problem to have though

I find some of the bitching that goes on between Warhammer and mtg players, and to some extent some other systems. The generalisations are ludicrous. I think the friction comes from the reality that mtg brings in more money at a lot of games shops, this means that, rightly or not, and depending on which side you fall, there's a perception they receive/deserve preferential treatment. But mostly it's the crude generalisations made about the other group, being fat, smelly, socially incapable and various other things.

The constant moaning about prices

Cleaning mold lines.... I just hate it ugh.

Rolling 1's for my terminators' armor saves is my Number 6 annoyance.

kronk wrote:Rolling 1's for my terminators' armor saves is my Number 6 annoyance.

Remember in 2nd edition, and that inevitable double-one after an autogun hit!
+1 for annoyance if that autogun was fired by a gretchin..

Ugavine wrote:The constant moaning about prices

What about, if prices were a bit more reasonable, people would have less to moan about? Take a look at the Corvus Belli, Malifaux, Warlord or other any forum you care to mention, and their lack of comments about pricing to see what I mean.

Something to think about...

 Ugavine wrote:
The constant moaning about prices

Eh, depends on what they're moaning about.

Whining about battlefront prices when they cover a massive range of models that they probably make little on? Definitely not warranted.

GW charging a premium for models like Cadians that look like crap? I consider that fair.

My only real pet peeves are trying to find a group to play with for anything other than the most entrenched of systems. I keep finding all these awesome games out there yet if it doesn't have "Games Workshop" on the tin they shoot it down immediately.

Even if they don't need new models, or I provide them, and the rules are easy to learn and fun, they'll still be disinterested.

My only other pet peeve is just the community itself. Sometimes you get some... strange.... people in this hobby, and almost inevitably they latch onto me for some odd reason. It makes it hard for me to introduce my hobby to my friends and family, because 9/10, one of those guys will walk around the corner and scare them off. I've met tons of completely normal people as well, but it only takes one bad first impression to scare off a newcomer. And some of those great unclean ones can leave one heck of a lasting first impression.

Getting stuff in Japan when you don't have a credit card.

Room for your hobby (again Japan)

Prices, even do i have a good income. Some of the prices are not realistic from some companies.

The Power Creep trends.

We had the flyer craze (Stormtalons, Storm Ravens, etc)
We had the Big Walker craze (Riptide, Wraithknight, Imperial Knight).
And now we've got the Superheavy, Fortification and D-Weapon craze. (Titans and D-Weapons in small games of 40K? )


Is it even possible to have fun when you take a sensible balanced list including a variety of infantry, jump infantry, flyers and tanks...and your opponent slaps down a massive Superheavy with powerful D-Weapons and void shields that you can barely scratch and the bare minimum of HQ & Troops?

I think I can speak for 90% of gamers when I say ...Painting backlog.

Biggest annoyance for me is 90% of gamers.



As a smaller subset of 90% of humanity though.

Realizing a great idea for a base after I've painted and attached my model.

*sigh*

Assembling.

There, I said it, judge me if you want.

The cost, the process of painting, and the task of trimming mold lines are all close contenders.

That one opponent. You all know who I mean, the one who ticks one or more of the following:

--Strangely joyless. Seems to view the game as a vague irritation.

--Free-and-easy with the rules themselves ("I'll pick up this model and sling it over here without measuring or checking if it contacts anything else on the way"), but will scrutinise and openly distrust you as if you're the most notorious cheater in the world. Bonus points if they have the rules provably, unambiguously wrong or are an edition behind.

--Spends more time talking with their friends or hangers-on, than paying attention to what you're doing. But any attempt on your part to strike up a conversation or laugh at an outrageous dice roll will be met with a blank stare.

--If they win, they seem to take no pleasure from it, giving the impression they were just going through the motions of wiping you out. If they lose, then you got lucky, or you implicitly did something dodgy rules-wise. Never will you have a "clean" win against them.

The whining but this may be more a criticism of forums.

Other than that I'm more annoyed by my own inability to finish things and make time for games. That has nothing to do with the hobby and everything to do with my work/life balance.

My top 3 have to be, and this is because I haven't played any games yet:

1. The time it takes me to build and paint stuff. E.g. it took me 25 minutes last night to cut 2 termagaunts off the sprue, clean them up and glue them together. Two Termagaunts. Two

2. Which leads nicely onto hate number two - Mold lines. Man I hate them!

3. PC Games. This is 100% me but I find it easier blaming the games for not stopping me playing them and getting on with painting.

1 - Mold Lines. I take even more time than usual because I start watching anime, documentaries, whatever while removing them, but if I don't watch it, I'll probably just get annoyed I'm removing mold lines

2 - Assembly (for some kits). I honestly gave up on Necrons because I -HATE- their vehicles. Assembling my Ghost Ark was enfuriating. Metal Bawkses all the way!

3 - That painting stage when you are in the middle of base-coating. The miniature just looks crap, no other way around it, it looks so depressively bad, urgh. I know it's stupid, but it just annoys me.

That it gets everywhere. Seriously I end up with paint pots, sprues and half assembled miniatures on my desk my coffee table even in my kitchen. It encroaches on every room in my place.

Actually this is more a annoyance for my other half than me. But I do get a bit of hassle because of it.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

3 - That painting stage when you are in the middle of base-coating. The miniature just looks crap, no other way around it, it looks so depressivily bad, urgh. I know it's stupid, but it just annoys me.

You read my mind with this one mate, so demoralizing.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Ugavine wrote:
The constant moaning about prices

Eh, depends on what they're moaning about.

Whining about battlefront prices when they cover a massive range of models that they probably make little on? Definitely not warranted.

GW charging a premium for models like Cadians that look like crap? I consider that fair.

My only real pet peeves are trying to find a group to play with for anything other than the most entrenched of systems. I keep finding all these awesome games out there yet if it doesn't have "Games Workshop" on the tin they shoot it down immediately.

Even if they don't need new models, or I provide them, and the rules are easy to learn and fun, they'll still be disinterested.

My only other pet peeve is just the community itself. Sometimes you get some... strange.... people in this hobby, and almost inevitably they latch onto me for some odd reason. It makes it hard for me to introduce my hobby to my friends and family, because 9/10, one of those guys will walk around the corner and scare them off. I've met tons of completely normal people as well, but it only takes one bad first impression to scare off a newcomer. And some of those great unclean ones can leave one heck of a lasting first impression.

I know where your coming from on that one. The creepers always seem to latch on to me too. Had one dude dressed up like lulu from final fantasy 10. Uggh

Probably the only person who likes removing mold lines lol. Maybe I should open up a service to fix them for people XD
I guess the price of the miniatures is probably most annoying for me, although I was more annoyed at the price of the 40k rulebook, when I started collecting tyranids years ago I remember both me and my brother seeing that and saying ok we will never be allowed to get that, and had to make our own rules lol.

Work and real life getting in the way of painting the rest of my Deadzone minis!

 Spuj wrote:
My top 3 have to be, and this is because I haven't played any games yet:

1. The time it takes me to build and paint stuff. E.g. it took me 25 minutes last night to cut 2 termagaunts off the sprue, clean them up and glue them together. Two Termagaunts. Two

2. Which leads nicely onto hate number two - Mold lines. Man I hate them!

3. PC Games. This is 100% me but I find it easier blaming the games for not stopping me playing them and getting on with painting.

I clean mold lines while “Loading, please wait”, crafting in MMOs, or when the computer is taking it’s turn.

 Redbeard wrote:
Finishing an army just in time for a new codex and/or ruleset to render it near useless in the game.

This - or power creep in general. I know that having more powerful or trumping rules will make people purchase new models, but try to keep it in check a little more. Minor changes in the main rulebook with editions rendering some play styles obsolete.

I may expand on the stages of models that look "bad".

1) Bare plastic just glued: Unplayable in this stage and you keep finding the dreaded mold lines.
2) Graveled base: Unplayable in this stage, still seeing mold lines, bits of gravel keep falling off.
3) Black/Grey/White primed: Unplayable in this stage: no depth perception, hard to see what weapon they are holding, REALLY sucks when you see mold lines or want to change a load-out.
4) "Block painting" you know, when it looks at it's worst like a 3 year old had painted it (It is not done yet! honest!) definitely will not play the model or give people the wrong ideas. REALLY, REALLY sucks when you find mold lines, you try layering on more paint hoping it will bury it. I am bored to tears at this stage, new air brush is helping this out.
5) Edging / washes / drybrush: Tend to miss spots or forget where you were at last so you play "spot that technique you did not do". I have a squad well identified where all their guns were not edged; you notice it. If I see mold lines at this stage I pretend they are not there...

So summary is the freaking "it-cannot-get-done-fast-enough-so-I-can-play-gosh-darn-hurry-up-@#$%&!!!!!"

My second closest is just how many items are "critical" to a successful game that any number of things could be a show stopper.
I keep meaning to make the 40k checklist for when you: go out to game, start assembly, start to paint, go supply shopping, annual review... sad to say, the kind of guy I am...