Hey guys. Just a quick shout regarding 7th edition. Without causing too much controversy then remember that the new rule book can be bought from your local store. The stores are suffering badly this year as is the company. It is no cheaper online and even if you get it posted to your home the store gets the £££'s in their till. If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...Just a thought guys. I'll be putting my order through games workshop southport. Where will you put yours? ? Post below and let's give the stores something back....

I'm not an employee but as you can see from my blogs I do visit my store a lot the manager there is a good guy. I put everything through his store, even down to the fact that I buy vouchers for when I am going to Warhammer World and pick up Forge World stuff.

Most of us are going to buy the 7th ed book (even if we say we aren't) because despite all the that GW keeps pulling we love the hobby and keep spending. The guys in store are not the owners/deciders in GW and are just trying to do a job. If your store manager is a tool then find a new store if you like them then support them. The targets are stupid but we can help a little.

Thanks guys

I get what your saying, but it's survival of the fittest for me. Let businesses compete for my money.

Not news or a rumour.....

You mean help out local GW stores? Nooooooooo!

I go one better and help out my FLGS, I get 10% off there for being a regular, and it's friendlier service and the dude who runs it isn't just after what's in my wallet

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Not news or a rumour.....

I figured that seeing as 7th is still rumoured then this was the right place. If it needs moving then could the MOD's please do so.

Meant no upset sorry...

Won't be going to any store for it - easier to stay all digital for me now

Either way GW end up with the money, where do you think the online retailers buy their stock from?

Our only way of voting against the poor decisions of one man stores or the way the company is going is by using our feet (or mouse) for whatever tiny discount we can get and you want us to forfeit this out of the good of our hearts?

Yeah sure...

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

 McManiak wrote:

Most of us are going to buy the 7th ed book (even if we say we aren't) because despite all the that GW keeps pulling we love the hobby and keep spending.

40K is not the hobby. GW is not the hobby. I can quite happily keep spending without giving them a penny. GW can do what it likes, I won't be buying the book, nor being remotely interested in its existence.

The GW Bedford store supports a community of gamers. Though they only sell GW stuff from it has grown a gaming club where anything goes.

I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Plus it is a nice place to spend an afternoon, get free advice on building/painting/playing the hobby, and to work on my own projects

Wow, there is a lot of hate on here people. My FLGS is a GW store and I get on with the manager. That's why I support his shop. I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

I understand that people gsme rlswhere snd dupport that FLGS which I fully agree with. My comment was purely that if you use your local store then buy from your local store.

9unit9 wrote:
I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Sure you would. If the market wasn't over-saturated with worthless GW stores then far superior independent stores would move in to fill the market. Just look at the US market, where most 40k players probably don't have even a single GW store within 50 miles, and somehow still find plenty of places to play.

9unit9 wrote:
The GW Bedford store supports a community of gamers. Though they only sell GW stuff from it has grown a gaming club where anything goes.

I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Plus it is a nice place to spend an afternoon, get free advice on building/painting/playing the hobby, and to work on my own projects

That's a rarity then. Every GW store I've been into I've been jumped on as soon as I've walked in and nearly forced to buy the latest crap that's been released that month. I'm a Blood Angels player, it was suggested that I buy a Stormtalon - which the BA can't take, and then another suggestion was a cannon thing from WH fantasy but I don't have anything from that army. "LET'S SELL HIM THINGS THAT COST MORE!"

It's horrific the way they prey on people, I understand that they have to make money, that's their job, but in any retail position I've worked in, I've never, ever, ever forced someone to buy something they don't need - they won't come back, you need to build up some kind of loyalty in your customer base, not just, "well, we're the only supplies of this crap within 50 miles, deal with it"

 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

This is the most naeve thing I have read in a long time.

 McManiak wrote:
Wow, there is a lot of hate on here people.

It's not hate, it's just simple truth: a GW store is inherently inferior to an independent store. GW stores going out of business may be bad for GW, but it is good for the community as a whole.

You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

The point you're missing is that we have absolutely no sign that 7th is going to fix the problems with 6th. In fact, from what we've heard about GW getting rid of the FOC, it seems that 7th is going to make some of 6th's problems worse. That's not a fix, it's just an attempt to get easy sales by forcing everyone to spend another $75 to keep playing.

True, we don't know. But that is part of the fun and enjoyment/frustration. Only yesterday I was saying how I welcome the new edition. I am geting tired of my White Scars and havent even touched my Nurgle onto the table yet so used my eldar and dark eldar in 2 different games yesterday. With a new edition I will have to learn a new way to use my Scars so can get further enjoyment out of them...

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 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

This is the most naeve thing I have read in a long time.

No, that's how things work outside of the UK.
You guys have your GW stores on every corner and that's all well and good for you but to the rest of the world GW stores are wasted space. There is nothing they do a FLGS doesn't do better and on top of that they are activly trying to hamstring FLGS.

So yes, every (non UK) market is better off without GW stores.

 McManiak wrote:
I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

The internet is more than you and one other hivemind person with a hundred forum accounts. I want a fix to 6th and am happy to see a 7th coming. Cautious and expecting to be let down? Yeah sorta, but still happy, because it's at least another roll of the die where they could just nat 20 their craft (game) check.

I see what your saying but fir the record I am not part of a hive mind and gave only 1 forum account. Not trying to change the world and if things are different outside the UK then as I said support your FLGS by all means. It was ust a shout to let people who shop in a GW store understand that by buying direct from GW the store doesn't benefit. Not everyone understands that.

The best thing about 7th will be that is ANOTHER set of rules you can use or not use...

Hate? Blind worship is a far bigger problem than perceived hate. If you give an award to everyone just for participating rather than actually award someone who has done well and encourage the runners up to improve you do nothing but breed and promote mediocrity and stagnation.


I've been intent on actually purchasing something from the local GW here, with the one man store fun this means I have gone 4-5 times on different occasions in a row only to find the door closed and the place empty, despite the times saying it's open. I understand the hours and such and how they have to take a break but it doesn't match up at times like this as I just see it they should have kept the stores as they were. Just makes me think of those who had run into the same thing; seeing the store and thinking to give it a look but first sidelined by this then the prices. At this point I'd rather just go straight to the FLGS for the books and simply continue with online purchases when possible. The few things I do buy in store (books for the most part, I just prefer the physical copy though for convenience have some of the digitals first) are because the difference between online and in store turned out to be low enough that avoiding the waiting felt worth it.

Would I walk in anyway despite this and likely drop $150 on a rule book? Probably not anyways, I prefer the smaller one that comes with the starter sets because it's way more convenient than lugging around the full one; not even mentioning the rate they seem to like copy and pasting existing lore which makes that section mostly redundant. Saying this because of the rumoured change to the starter rue book, but that'll have to wait to be seen; but I'm hoping there is a smaller version available. I'll be waiting for it at least.

I will be purchasing my copy via my local GW store.

 McManiak wrote:
It is no cheaper online...

The what now? The book will be available online considerably cheaper than GW will have it in their own stores. Particularly for those of us in countries that are currently getting shafted by GW's regional trade policies.






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 McManiak wrote:
I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

I think you're seeing multiple complaints and attaching them to the same people without any actual evidence that this is the case.

Personally, I'm all for seeing 6th ed get the boot, because it's become a game that I have no interest in playing and I've been hoping that 7th edition would fix the issues that I see with 6th. So as irritating as it is that GW have managed to make such a mess of their flagship game that a new edition within 2 years was actually warranted, the news of the arrival of 7th edition was, for me, a positive thing... right up until they started telling us what was going to be in it, and it just started looking like even more of a mess than 6th is.



But regardless of how good 7th edition is, I won't be buying it from a Games Workshop store, because GW choose to charge me twice what they charge their customers in the US and the UK, just because they think they can. And because I refuse to support their one-man store model, partly because it's a stupid concept, and partly because GW shouldn't be rewarded for their hypocrisy in calling independants that sell online freeloaders who don't contribute anything to the gaming community while removing their own community support and the gaming space from most of their stores.

When GW decide to treat their customers and their trade partners with some modicum of respect, I might reconsider handing over cash to them again.

I would, but GW has yet to grace Brazil with its shops. The FLGSs around try to import GW stuff (and other wargames), but the taxes kill such attempts.

 Peregrine wrote:

9unit9 wrote:
I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Sure you would. If the market wasn't over-saturated with worthless GW stores then far superior independent stores would move in to fill the market. Just look at the US market, where most 40k players probably don't have even a single GW store within 50 miles, and somehow still find plenty of places to play.

I have never seen a Games Workshop store, but I know i can walk into my FLGS on any given Thursday and get a pickup game.

Can I donate the money for the new rulebook to support GW store closings?

I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

Except that they probably only give painting advice using Citidel paints and glue... Trying to push more of their overpriced product. My FLGS has many people who are great painters who would be happy to share their techniques and show you whats your doing wrong.

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

My FLGS carries 4-5 different kinds of primer, so when I asked one of the three guys working there, he called over the guy who specialized in minis, who walked me through the different options. I decided to try Army Painter, which was about half the price of GW's, and it worked fantastic.

Try getting that from a GW store staff.

I do not expect much of this edition, so I will not rush to the store to buy it.

I will ignore it and let some months to pass before taking a decision. And I will probably buy a second hand copy, if I buy it.

McManiak, I get that you're trying to be supportive of your local GW guy, and I'm sure he's a good person and nobody wants him to lose his job. But it is not our fault that GW puts him or her in a position to fail.

These stores are struggling because they do a poor job of satisfying customer demand (and gosh, they compete with FLGS here, if they're struggling in the UK where they dont' have much competition then that looks like really bad news). Were these the GW stores I recall from about 8-10 years ago, I'd say sure! They had a full staff, a ton of gaming space, all the supplies they needed, plus all the services GW stores used to provide: bitz services, specialists games, etc. etc. Heck, I remember the store being popular to the point where one of the Carolina Panthers NFL players used to come in! (imagine a huge dude playing next to a bunch of five-foot something guys )

But that's not what we're given any more. GW thinks they're Louis Vuitton, and it's enough to put their product in glass cases and treat you like you should feel honored just to buy it, and I think that's bogus. GW produces some of the best models, but they aren't always the best anymore and the price they expect for them is only going higher and higher.

Furthermore, they've cut out almost all of their "gaming" content. I hear some GW stores only allow demo games, and their website does not have one, single, iota of hobby material.

EDIT: I could go on, but I hope you get the picture and why people aren't amped up to buy a book coming in at half the lifespan of any previous rulebooks, and why this causes some..."hate" (I really don't like that word in terms of people's complaints). It is GW's job to take care of their stores and make them a place people want to go (an easy first step would be to have them open every day of the week!). People buying these books just to support their store owner gives GW the message that they can do whatever they want, we will buy their product no matter what. And that, to me, is a bad message.

The last time I tried to help my local GW store. I took the effort to spend extra time and gas money to go to the store to place my online order for web exclusive items.

I was rewarded with constant sale pitches and 'helpful suggestions' to cancal my DA upgrade sprue of $22CAD and buy the DA veteran box for $40CAD which they have in store.




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The last time I tried to help my local GW store. I took the effort to spend extra time and gas money to go to the store to place my online order for web exclusive items.

I was rewarded with constant sale pitches and 'helpful suggestions' to cancal my DA upgrade sprue of $22CAD and buy the DA veteran box for $40CAD which they have in store.

Always take it with a pinch of salt when someone says "I hear"

The assumption is they have not witnessed this...

who is to say independent stores would spring up in place of vacant GW stores? If anyone here wants to start up their own business in this economy that is something I would support

Let me clarify- I have seen multiple reports, with photos of fliers or website captures showing GW stores advertising tables for demos only. The stores in question seem to be more located in the UK, which I think may be symptomatic of the fact that people over there play in gaming clubs.

So the point still stands, along with the others that I've made that GW stores don't offer a lot to encourage in-store purchases. And I think GW wants this- to eventually move all customers to online, I just don't know much luck they'll have with that.

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

Sorry, but this isn't a great argument. I have a couple of FLGS stores close by, one a fifteen minute walk away, the other a 20 minute drive away. Both owners paint, both play war-games but importantly they're open to new ideas - Warmachine, X Wing + Bushido are games I've found and loved because of the guys who run those stores, and yeh, they may not be amazing painters but there are people there who are. I'm massively fortunate to have an in-store commission painter, who gives advice for your own painting. They're not tied down to GW products, Army Painter do a great range, they even recommend stuff that they don't stock but have found to be great to work with. You won't get that at a GW store, from my experience.

I absolutely support my local FLGS, but I don't buy GW stuff from them anymore.
This isn't a charity. If a company doesn't do its part to earn my business, I don't give it to them. I give my money to the one that I like more. If GW is in such a situation that it needs charity, perhaps they should reexamine their business practices and change?

9unit9 wrote:
Always take it with a pinch of salt when someone says "I hear"

The assumption is they have not witnessed this...

who is to say independent stores would spring up in place of vacant GW stores? If anyone here wants to start up their own business in this economy that is something I would support

I can explicitly state that the presence of a GW in my local town is the single biggest reason I have to not have explored opening a FLGS. I have my doubts if non-GW sales alone could support a store, and I don't think diluted GW sales would be enough either. It took the closure of the previous Indy (because of owners choice, not failure) to cause GW to open their own store, so that would also support the assumption that my local town is only big enough to be a one store town.

Business abhors a vacuum as much as nature, if GW's stores closed, then we'd see a rise of the FLGS in the UK, not in every location because I'm sure some stores in the GW chain don't make much, or make a loss, but justify their presence as an anti-competitive measure, which is something a chain can do, but an independent can't, but I'd expect a significant upswing within a couple of years.

I like my local GW. The deliver to store option is very convenient - and the store updates its Facebook page to announce when online orders have come in and are available to be picked up - and I don't experience the hard sell.

One thing that has actually dissuaded me from using indies is that they can (not saying all, but some) be little bastions of anti-GW sentiment, showing more than a hint of disdain if you dare to like 40K rather than a 'proper' tabletop game.

9unit9 wrote:
who is to say independent stores would spring up in place of vacant GW stores?

That's the way it works in every other country that doesn't have GW stores everywhere saturating the market while adding little value to the community. Independent stores are everywhere because there is a market to exploit.


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 McManiak wrote:
It was ust a shout to let people who shop in a GW store understand that by buying direct from GW the store doesn't benefit.

And, again:

1) Not supporting your local GW store is a good thing. Buy online at a discount and use their table space, but don't ever purchase anything there unless you absolutely have to. If the store's sales are too low and GW closes the store then the community benefits. Do your part and help drive GW's retail abomination out of business!

2) Even talking about supporting your local GW store is just ridiculous. These aren't independent stores where the owner keeps the profits, the employee is paid a fixed salary regardless of sales and all the money goes straight to the same GW account as your online sales. It makes about as much sense as saying "buy from the cash register on the left, the one on the right isn't as nice".

Far be it from me to stand in the way of a good, zealous rant Peregrine, but GW staff are actually on PRP based on improvement year in year, they're aren't on a fixed salary.

As an American 40k gamer, the only time I've ever heard some one mention any gamesworkshop store is in the form of a complaint or punch line.

Now that the bunkers are gone I hope they all close. Libre FLGS.

I have a good bud that works a GW store. He's one of the good ones that goes out of his way to routinely make the hobby grow. He refers gamers to other places to go if they want dice rolling, facilitates trades, and generally is awesome. I do not want him to lose his job. He's a great guy and runs a tight ship.

Do I agree with GW's business model or current practices? No. I shopped at that GW store because I supported someone who put customer service first and does a damn good job of doing so. Otherwise, I'm a deal hunter and will also support FLGS when it's a win-win. My current shop has a huge consignment cabinet. Whatever you put in there, the shop nets 10% (max $100) and you get the rest on store credit. It's like bartertown/ebay with a cheap fee and no shipping. I love this feature and the cabinet changes almost every time I'm in there, meaning a great turnover rate on well price product. I use it often and it's smart of the FLGS as they keep people who want cheap stuff happy while still making a cut of what they wouldn't otherwise!

So yes, Viva La FLGS. I wish GW went back to bunkers...

 McManiak wrote:

Hey guys. Just a quick shout regarding 7th edition. Without causing too much controversy then remember that the new rule book can be bought from your local store. The stores are suffering badly this year as is the company. It is no cheaper online and even if you get it posted to your home the store gets the £££'s in their till.

Go ahead and waste your money. I care about me pocket monies a little more than my feelings of *obligation* to some store. And I've found that by being patient and shopping around online, you can get some mighty fine discounts.

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...Just a thought guys. I'll be putting my order through games workshop southport. Where will you put yours? ? Post below and let's give the stores something back....

My local stores are far more logical than that. They use comic books and magic cards as their main money-maker and the GW shelves are usually just purty bright colors they use to decorate the store. When the rare person comes in and buys some GW stuff there, they are usually surprised.

 McManiak wrote:
Most of us are going to buy the 7th ed book (even if we say we aren't) because despite all the that GW keeps pulling we love the hobby..,

Nope, I'm not buying 7th edition. Maybe, maybe I'll be getting the starter set if it seems particularly appealing. No way on 7th edition.

 AesSedai wrote:
I get what your saying, but it's survival of the fittest for me. Let businesses compete for my money.

This guy gets it.

 Accolade wrote:
McManiak, I get that you're trying to be supportive of your local GW guy, and I'm sure he's a good person and nobody wants him to lose his job. But it is not our fault that GW puts him or her in a position to fail.

Preeeeeetty much. Ottawa's GW Bayshore was an epic place to hang out and get in a game. According to the staff, they were also one of the top 5 stores in North America. However, when their lease didn't get renewed they had to move out into a one-man store. I went to stop in only once so far and it was closed. Now you have to book tables ahead of time and they threw out most of the awesome old terrain. I could give less than half a feth about the store now, and from what I hear from other local gamers, it's a common sentiment. The one-man store policy is a cancer to GW that's just killing the community and hurting GW's own bottom line - since all our games occur in the man caves now, we can use third-party models and can, uh, share Codices all we want.

There's only one GW in NZ now, the location for the previous store was actually insane and needless to say, closed. The staff were professional and not pushy at all. FLGS has GW product cheaper though, not that it matters, I do my shopping in China these days.

GDub, putting the Duh in dumb.

 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

Right.
I'll buy either online or from a local gaming store.

 Lobukia wrote:
GDub, putting the Duh in dumb.

So far, in my experience, that has been the rule for anything with those initials.

I think GW would be better without the stores.

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

First of all - seem...not seam.

Second of all, you seem like a GW plant who's trying to somehow change the general opinion of people sick and tired with the crap they're getting from GW. My FLGS has two former GW employees on staff, and everyone there is quite well versed in paints, supplies, and modeling. They recommend paints, they can magnetize, they can explain and demo the use of technical paints, and they sell products other than GW and often recommend them over GW paints when applicable. They even sent me to a store down the road to get materials, mentioning that the GW paintbrushes they sold were crap and that they themselves headed to Michael's (a US craft supply store) to get their paintbrushes. Why would I even prefer a GW store that only recommends and sells the OK paints, crap paintbrushes and crap glues that GW produces?

Also, my FLGS is open 7 days a week with multiple staff members (with sometimes more than one in the store at once! Gasp! And sometimes they hang out there while not working! Double gasp!), so even if one guy was unsure about painting there would be others to help out. So explain once again how a one-man monopolized GW store is better?

I never started this thread to have so many GW haters post but as predictable as ever the level of intellectual replies never ceases to amaze me.

I simply stated that if you buy from a GW store (not an independent) then put the money through the store as they get the credit.

As for ALL of you who keep moaning on every thread that has anything to do with GW then a word to the not so wise. If you are unhappy with them, their product or their business model then stop buying their stuff (from anywhere) and stop commenting on threads which are clearly about GW.

There are lots of other game systems and if the company you hate so much is soon oso bad then walk away and leave the ones of us who like them to carry on.

You know who you are and you obviously have nothing better to do than be negative about things...

I’m a big proponent of buying local. I’ve seen a number of FLGS close up shop over the years, often leaving me with no place to play. So whenever I have the chance, I support the one I have. Even if it costs me a few extra bucks. I think of it as dues I pay to have open tables and pickup games.

I’m waiting until I get get a small rulebook, so there is a chance I’ll have to hit the secondary market, rather then direct from my store. Depends on the contents of the next starter box and if one is sold separately.

I'll be picking it (7th edition) up from my FLGS to support them. I get my board games from there, I play (when time permits) at their Thursday Night open gaming night, so I want them to be around for a while.

 McManiak wrote:
I never started this thread to have so many GW haters post but as predictable as ever the level of intellectual replies never ceases to amaze me.

Great way to deal with disagreement, don't debate the opinions but resort to ad homs.

I simply stated that if you buy from a GW store (not an independent) then put the money through the store as they get the credit.

Other people simply stated why this was a bad idea for the hobby. I don't recall any of them insulting you though.

As for ALL of you who keep moaning on every thread that has anything to do with GW then a word to the not so wise. If you are unhappy with them, their product or their business model then stop buying their stuff (from anywhere) and stop commenting on threads which are clearly about GW.

Many people do. There are viable options to get the rules and models without paying GW. That doesn't help the situation much though does it? We don't want to hate GW. We want 40k to be awesome, and would love to support GW if it was making great rules and great models.

There are lots of other game systems and if the company you hate so much is soon oso bad then walk away and leave the ones of us who like them to carry on.

If everyone took this stance there would never be change. If there is no pressure for a company to improve their product they won't improve it as they don't need to. People are negative about it because there's a lot about 40k they like or used to like.

I'm actually trying to figure out the best way to get it. Sure, my FLGS has a discount and that's fine if I'm going to order the "Standard" book.

However, I'm sure GW will have at least 2 versions of the book available. When 6th was released I ordered the Gamer's edition from GW's site.. and it sold out within a day or two. This time I wouldn't buy the Gamers edition but I might consider buying something like the Collectors..

So, my problem is that I have an unknown number of choices and an unknown time frame to ensure that I'm able to get exactly what I want. I wish GW would just go ahead and tell us what's going to be available and the prices BEFORE we could actually order it that way we could take a day or so to decide what to do when the time comes. .. lol - first world problems.

Regardless, I agree with the OP's premise: support your local gaming store. Other than the rulebook 2 years ago, I only buy through my local hobby shop.


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9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

Sounds like you have a good GW store. That said, the independent store I go to has 8 open gaming tables in the front, and 4 more in the back when tournaments are going (once a week). Carries 3 different paint ranges and the entire range of 40k, WHFB, PP, FoW and others. When I was in a few weeks ago picking up a new vendetta I watch one of the guys spend over 30 minutes giving paint advice for a new BA army to new person. Patiently answering every question and giving, what I thought to be, very good advice. I could have paid and left earlier but I just wanted to see how the employees did.

The sad thing is that this type of customer service is NOT normal. I had 2 GW shops (one finally closed) within driving distance of me. The one that closed wouldn't spend more than 45 seconds with you. The other one, well, he tries but he's only 1 guy. So when he has 3 or 4 people in the store you are inevitably going to be waiting a long time just to check out much less ask detailed questions.


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 McManiak wrote:
I simply stated that if you buy from a GW store (not an independent) then put the money through the store as they get the credit.

I missed this from the original post. Why exclude independents? That part seems silly.

As I do not have a GW store in my area. I will only buy from a FLGS, which buy the way gives me 20% off. I would buy from them even if we had a GW store since I pay 20% off and play other non-GW games.

If they truly stop printing a full mini rulebook, I will never get a new rulebook. I refuse to pay $75-$100 USD or more on 80-90% reprinted storyline and a huge picture section that I could careless about. A truly poor investment for a potential year and a half use.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

If they truly stop printing a full mini rulebook, I will never get a new rulebook. I refuse to pay $75-$100 USD or more on 80-90% reprinted storyline and a huge picture section that I could careless about. A truly poor investment for a potential year and a half use.

Nice way of putting it. Instead of using "reprinted" I keep saying regurgitated. Especially the pictures. Especially the same pictures that were black and white are in colour now but still regurgitated.

One reason why I quit LotR/The Hobbit was because I didn't want to spend $100 on a rule book that would only last one year. GW couldn't even communicated to it's fans/customer that this wouldn't be the case and it didn't happen, so I could have enjoyed The Hobbit without fear of being invalidated. Now after not even a 2 years for 6th edition I have the fear of that book being invalidated now. Because GW doesn't communicate nd the local store doesn't/can't say anything, what is the use of supporting them when they can't support us anymore? Yes the employees are great. This is not about the employees though. This is about GW not letting it's employees supporting the people who buy from them anymore.

I am tired ongoing into a GW store, asking what will happen in a few months time so I can save my money and prepare for some big purchase at full price, and then hearing, "don't know, please buy the White Dwarf magazine". WD magazine doesn't tell me anything. Argh.

 McManiak wrote:
I never started this thread to have so many GW haters post but as predictable as ever the level of intellectual replies never ceases to amaze me.

I simply stated that if you buy from a GW store (not an independent) then put the money through the store as they get the credit.

As for ALL of you who keep moaning on every thread that has anything to do with GW then a word to the not so wise. If you are unhappy with them, their product or their business model then stop buying their stuff (from anywhere) and stop commenting on threads which are clearly about GW.

There are lots of other game systems and if the company you hate so much is soon oso bad then walk away and leave the ones of us who like them to carry on.

You know who you are and you obviously have nothing better to do than be negative about things...

First of all, you must be new here... welcome to Dakka. Second I like GW, I love my FLGS. GW's moronic business practices have hurt FLGS stores carrying their stuff and their one-man-store business model is so epically dumb that I have to question the acumen of anyone associated with it. If, in buying from independents (opposite of your odd suggestion), I can put another nail in the coffin of the one man stores AND support my FLGS, I'm actually doing GW a solid. If they started playing nice with US FLGSs and removed their stupid stores, both they and the FLGS owners would do better.

I can like a product and dislike the company marketing/selling it. I can prefer that someone I am giving my hard earned to treat me better, and I am allowed to engage in legal economic practices that makes those positions attractive to the companies I am dealing with... and I do, by never ever buying from GW's stores or even from them, but through either those that give me deep discounts, or through those that maintain the spaces I play at.

You all seem to have missed my point. I have no problem with FLGS and if that is where you buy from and game then give them the money. If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer. I am simply saying don't by it through GW website as the store GW/FLASH need the support.
One way or the other GW end up with the money so if you have a problem with them then don't buy it from anywhere but also stop buying their other products too as they will never please you.
Sorry for any confusion or insult.

Does anyone think this is connected to the hired GW Sri Lankan employees?

 McManiak wrote:
You all seem to have missed my point. I have no problem with FLGS and if that is where you buy from and game then give them the money. If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer. I am simply saying don't by it through GW website as the store GW/FLASH need the support.
One way or the other GW end up with the money so if you have a problem with them then don't buy it from anywhere but also stop buying their other products too as they will never please you.
Sorry for any confusion or insult.

This makes more sense now. I believe people was thinking only to buy from GW and nobody else. That was my impression.

There are no GW stores within 2 hours drive of me. Several FLG however. When we did have a GW store, around 4th ed(?), it was in a mall. The staff was cool (not pushing me to buy anything), normal gamers were good to new players. The mall rent killed the store despite good sales.

As for 7th, I dont care what leaked rumor you have and from what source. When 7th hits, I will let the dust settle and borrow a copy. IF I like what I see, Ill buy a copy from the FLGS. IF I dont like it its time to rethink this hobby (GW and 40k wise) and my collection.

Thats the problem with written words sometimes. Thry get interpreted wrong I guess.

 McManiak wrote:
If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer. I am simply saying don't by it through GW website as the store GW/FLASH need the support.

We understood this was your point. You don't understand our point that GW stores actively harm the hobby and so we don't *want* them there anymore. I also don't play at retail stores (clubs and forum organised groups/games are superior imo) so I'm not going to pay 20-30% extra for an expensive product.

You haven't said whether you find these legitimate concerns or issues at all, you just started insulting people who disagreed with you.

 McManiak wrote:
Thats the problem with written words sometimes. Thry get interpreted wrong I guess.

 McManiak wrote:
I never started this thread to have so many GW haters post but as predictable as ever the level of intellectual replies never ceases to amaze me.

There's no room for misinterpretation here.

Discount online somewhere probably

 ninjafiredragon wrote:
Discount online somewhere probably

Discount Games Store in the US is where a lot of Aussies get their 40k stuff when we buy legit, they've been great for us. Good discounts, shipping and customer service and we skip the horrible GW regional pricing. Can usually get stuff for half the price we'd pay in a local GW store - hence a lot of the rage directed at GW from us.

 McManiak wrote:
If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer.

Yes, and the point that you keep missing is that a GW store not being there much longer is a good thing for the community.

 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer.

Yes, and the point that you keep missing is that a GW store not being there much longer is a good thing for the community.

At a time when they hosted games and actually fostered a community, this would be a different case. With one-man stores, it's not the owners fault, but they just can't do it because of horrible business practices from the higher-ups.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
With one-man stores, it's not the owners fault, but they just can't do it because of horrible business practices from the higher-ups.

The owner is Games Workshop. So yes, it most definitely is their fault.

The "manager" is indeed at the mercy of GW's ridiculous business practices, though.

I won't be buying direct from mt local GW store. I will let the money change hands from my FLGS to GW that way atleast the comic book store that I've been going to since the 90's can have some money. Plus the GW store, despite the operator being a good man that I used to work with at my current job, is a lot farther of a drive.

I won't be buying the 7th ed book right as it comes out either. I want to see the pros and cons of it before I dump that kinda of money into it. I bought the 6th ed book first thing, come to find I did not like it and only played it a few times.

 Ruberu wrote:
I won't be buying the 7th ed book right as it comes out either. I want to see the pros and cons of it before I dump that kinda of money into it. I bought the 6th ed book first thing, come to find I did not like it and only played it a few times.

Definitely this. If it turns out great I'll pay for it, until then definitely not.

 McManiak wrote:
You all seem to have missed my point. .

No, I think your condescension came through pretty clear.

I do what I can to avoid supporting my local GW store, as I feel GW's policies have stopped them supporting my friends and I, as gamers.

Let's see:

I can't recall the last time I wanted to buy something and they actually had it in stock. It's all "we don't carry that, but we can order it online for you" - as if I'm too stupid to order online on my own?

They've cut back on their store hours to the point where even if I wanted to go in, it's not really feasible. The closest shop to me is closed on Sundays and Mondays, two of the days when I have easiest access to transportation. What's more, the "one-man" store approach seems to fail when the one man gets sick. I've seen facebook postings that read, "Sorry, I'm not feeling well, so the shop is closed today." I mean, I feel bad for the guy getting sick, but it's a touch ridiculous. What other multi-million pound international corporations close up shop because a clerk got a cold.

The company goes out of its way to gouge customers on prices. The recent toolkit release was sold for twice what it would cost to buy equivalent, or better, replacements from micromark.

So, really, I feel no reason to support a company that shows no evidence of supporting their customers.

i buy all my toy soldier related stuff from Gauntlet Games, the FLGS about 25min from my house. Not only is that where i play, but theyre cool people and provide a discount card the more you buy. Need to spend i think its around 100USD to get the card to do anything though, but then your next purchase is a huge discount.
May not be the best discount deal ive seen, but better than GW website offering zilch lol

My FLGS Atlantis Norfolk gets all my money when I'm not trading or buying used models online from private owners.

We didn't spend enough at GW stores.... so they punished us with Escalation....

Everyone ignored it.... so they reprinted the rulebook.....

znelson wrote:We didn't spend enough at GW stores.... so they punished us with Escalation....

Everyone ignored it.... so they reprinted the rulebook.....

I laughed.

Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If you buy fro a GW store and game there then buy it from them or they won't be there much longer.

Yes, and the point that you keep missing is that a GW store not being there much longer is a good thing for the community.

I disagree. You're wrong, mostly because you don't understand how the community works. GW stores exist to attract all the kinds of people who you don't want in your FLGS. If my local GW store went out of business, those folks would start coming to my FLGS, and that would ruin everything.

We have to support the GW stores to keep them contained! Think of it like a tax on your hobby money to support the local animal control center.

I only buy and order through my local shop (except really big purchases where discount makes a meaningful discount).

I don't want the stores to disappear, I lived in my local one in my youth and my current local one is fantastic, honest about the products and has given me heaps of advice since getting back into the hobby.

A lot of the time I'm happy to pay a little more in the brick and mortar GW store just to chat and get advice face to face for what I'm buying.

These stores closing would be a bad thing, especially in an area with no alternative.

I preface every purchase from my flgs with, "As long as you'll still give me 10% off, I'd like to buy this..." It still ends up more than ebay, but not usually much more once shipping is factored in, and I do like the idea of giving a local store my business where practical.

I've been to 1 GW store near my mom's house. I was pretty shocked at how pushy the sales staff was. I was just there to see what a GW store was like and maybe make an impulse buy, but was bombarded with unsolicited suggestions, some of which didn't even make sense. I basically got the car dealership treatment at a friggin toy store.

Hopefully for their sake this was just an aberration.

 jasper76 wrote:
I've been to 1 GW store near my mom's house. I was pretty shocked at how pushy the sales staff was. I was just there to see what a GW store was like and maybe make an impulse buy, but was bombarded with unsolicited suggestions, some of which didn't even make sense. I basically got the car dealership treatment at a friggin toy store.

Hopefully for their sake this was just an aberration.

Nope. Standard practice. My buddy went in with me one time when he was just getting started and want to try IG and the first thing the redshirt tried to get him to buy was a Baneblade. Umm.... if you wanna swing for the sales fences, how about starting with trying to sell him a battleforce?

I live in Berlin. We have lots of flgs and around 3 or 4 gw stores. I'd rather lose a leg than entering a gw store anytime soon.

The flgs on the other side are a gamers paradise. May gw stores find a horrible horrible end!

 jasper76 wrote:
I preface every purchase from my flgs with, "As long as you'll still give me 10% off, I'd like to buy this..." It still ends up more than ebay, but not usually much more once shipping is factored in, and I do like the idea of giving a local store my business where practical.

I've been to 1 GW store near my mom's house. I was pretty shocked at how pushy the sales staff was. I was just there to see what a GW store was like and maybe make an impulse buy, but was bombarded with unsolicited suggestions, some of which didn't even make sense. I basically got the car dealership treatment at a friggin toy store.

Hopefully for their sake this was just an aberration.

Yep, thats normal. Been to gws in 4 different states, all the same.

Clearly, the Baneblade is a great starter for your beginning army. You may not be able to field it from the start, but you have such a cool model! And it's a great inspiration for you! Just buy a few more models to get a legal army and you are one step closer to finally field it! Buy it now and you get 1 pack of IG Cadian infantry for FREE!!!!*

*"free" means "free of additional charges"

 Peregrine wrote:
Yes, and the point that you keep missing is that a GW store not being there much longer is a good thing for the community.

I think what the OP/some of the GW store supporters are missing is with GW cutting back on specialist games that a GW store literally sells a few hobby supplies and 3 games. It's like having a Pepsi beverage store...if you shop there you not only lose the opportunity to try Coca-Cola products, but you also take business away from stores that not only sell Pepsi but also bread, chips, and frozen pizzas.
At a non-GW store, I can mingle with the rest of the hobby, which is way bigger than GW's market share. I can see how someone painted their warmachine minis, and buy the best paintbrush from a plethora of brushes. I can even try out different games! Most importantly, it's an opportunity to meet more people with similar interests to mine.
At a GW store, I can meet people who play 40K, WHFB, or LOTR. That's the only aspect of the hobby and the community GW stores support.

 greyknight12 wrote:
At a GW store, I can meet people who play 40K, WHFB, or LOTR. That's the only aspect of the hobby and the community GW stores support.

I'm curious...what would happen if you went with a friend to a GW store, and started playing Warmachine on one of their tables?

 jasper76 wrote:
I'm curious...what would happen if you went with a friend to a GW store, and started playing Warmachine on one of their tables?

I don't know, but it would probably involve lawyers.

I would like to advocate to support where you play as it's great to get all the discounts in the world but if you can't play then it's all wasted.

With that said I go out of my way to never purchase anything from GW direct. I have access to some wonderful FLGS that are run by great people who appreciate the fact you are spending money in their store. Both of these stores also offer discounts as means of incentive for me to purchase from them.

I like the FLGS because they have more choices of things to buy. Even if I only were to play 40k I can buy cheaper and better quality paint, tools, terrain, basing items etc which are universal.

 jasper76 wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
At a GW store, I can meet people who play 40K, WHFB, or LOTR. That's the only aspect of the hobby and the community GW stores support.

I'm curious...what would happen if you went with a friend to a GW store, and started playing Warmachine on one of their tables?

I expect you would be asked to leave.

ids1984 wrote:
These stores closing would be a bad thing, especially in an area with no alternative.

Sure, but the only reason there isn't an alternative is that the GW stores exist. Get rid of the GW stores and they'll be replaced by far superior independent stores.

 Peregrine wrote:

ids1984 wrote:
These stores closing would be a bad thing, especially in an area with no alternative.

Sure, but the only reason there isn't an alternative is that the GW stores exist. Get rid of the GW stores and they'll be replaced by far superior independent stores.

And also the entry point for most people getting into the hobby disappears.

Just using my area we have loads of gaming clubs but only 1 brick and mortar store. That GW store also supports the bigger gaming club and has supported the club I'm member of.

There also always people painting and playing in there.

I have been in there in a past when a stand in manager and been there and I've got the hard sale, I walked out. Similarly when the usual manager was in I went in to buy some clippers and he pointed me towards amazon lol

It looks to me GW has its policy but a robust manager can still keep the hobby alive and be a 'good guy'.

I'm no fanboy and can see peoples resentment but how many of our first steps into the hobby where via a GW shop? No new blood no hobby.

ids1984 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

ids1984 wrote:
These stores closing would be a bad thing, especially in an area with no alternative.

Sure, but the only reason there isn't an alternative is that the GW stores exist. Get rid of the GW stores and they'll be replaced by far superior independent stores.

I'm no fanboy and can see peoples resentment but how many of our first steps into the hobby where via a GW shop? No new blood no hobby.

Did you miss the part you quoted where it was mentioned it would be replaced by a superior store? The new blood wouldn't miss out on anything - they'd gain tremendously by not being introduced to a sheltered subsection of the hobby, but to the entire hobby.

 Yonan wrote:

ids1984 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

ids1984 wrote:
These stores closing would be a bad thing, especially in an area with no alternative.

Sure, but the only reason there isn't an alternative is that the GW stores exist. Get rid of the GW stores and they'll be replaced by far superior independent stores.

I'm no fanboy and can see peoples resentment but how many of our first steps into the hobby where via a GW shop? No new blood no hobby.

Did you miss the part you quoted where it was mentioned it would be replaced by a superior store? The new blood wouldn't miss out on anything - they'd gain tremendously by not being introduced to a sheltered subsection of the hobby, but to the entire hobby.

If a new superior store opened, its pure guess work that one would. I'm not sure I would want to open a store in an area where the current market leader went out of business and couldnt justify a store.

ids1984 wrote:
If a new superior store opened, its pure guess work that one would. I'm not sure I would want to open a store in an area where the current market leader went out of business and couldnt justify a store.

Most people recognise the hugely flawed nature of the GW store plan, and that it doesn't mean a general hobby store would fail if a GW store does meaning there's likely ample room for a hobby store to open in its stead. If a place is small enough that only substantial subsides from GW corporate can keep a hobby shop alive there then sure, it's better than nothing. That would be a rare scenario, if existent at all. Hobby stores that don't limit their range to a single manufacturer draw a much larger crowd, as do shops that don't have ridiculous opening hours due to having 1 staff member.

 Yonan wrote:

ids1984 wrote:
If a new superior store opened, its pure guess work that one would. I'm not sure I would want to open a store in an area where the current market leader went out of business and couldnt justify a store.

Most people recognise the hugely flawed nature of the GW store plan, and that it doesn't mean a general hobby store would fail if a GW store does meaning there's likely ample room for a hobby store to open in its stead. If a place is small enough that only substantial subsides from GW corporate can keep a hobby shop alive there then sure, it's better than nothing. That would be a rare scenario, if existent at all. Hobby stores that don't limit their range to a single manufacturer draw a much larger crowd, as do shops that don't have ridiculous opening hours due to having 1 staff member.

I can fully accept the way they conduct business is very flawed and the single product line is very limiting.

But if independent stores are so superior why would they need a GW store to close down to florish and improve the hobby?

I can see the points but cannot accept closure of brick and mortar stores, regardless of brand in a specialist small hobby as a good thing.

ids1984 wrote:

 Yonan wrote:

ids1984 wrote:
If a new superior store opened, its pure guess work that one would. I'm not sure I would want to open a store in an area where the current market leader went out of business and couldnt justify a store.

Most people recognise the hugely flawed nature of the GW store plan, and that it doesn't mean a general hobby store would fail if a GW store does meaning there's likely ample room for a hobby store to open in its stead. If a place is small enough that only substantial subsides from GW corporate can keep a hobby shop alive there then sure, it's better than nothing. That would be a rare scenario, if existent at all. Hobby stores that don't limit their range to a single manufacturer draw a much larger crowd, as do shops that don't have ridiculous opening hours due to having 1 staff member.

I can fully accept the way they conduct business is very flawed and the single product line is very limiting.

But if independent stores are so superior why would they need a GW store to close down to florish and improve the hobby?

I can see the points but cannot accept closure of brick and mortar stores, regardless of brand in a specialist small hobby as a good thing.

If you're concerned about new people coming into the hobby, would you want a small GW store where the clerk is pushing little Timmy to buy a baneblade and worry about the rest later, where there's only one brand of over priced brushes, paints and tools? And the only game they sell is very expensive to start in?
Or...
A store with many options for games in different price ranges where there are several options for paints, brushes, hobbyists with many points of view, different games going on, tournaments and where they're not just pushing one company's corporate propaganda? Entry level games like X-Wing and maybe discount programs so its more affordable?

I see no reason for GW stores as they currently are to exist at all when the alternative is so much better in every way.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i buy all my toy soldier related stuff from Gauntlet Games, the FLGS about 25min from my house. Not only is that where i play, but theyre cool people and provide a discount card the more you buy. Need to spend i think its around 100USD to get the card to do anything though, but then your next purchase is a huge discount.
May not be the best discount deal ive seen, but better than GW website offering zilch lol

This is what I can't understand. A lot of other companies give discounts or "rewards" for continuing shopping their all the time. This is why I feel GW don't care about us. Come in and get the frack out like I was a male gigalo or something like that. Wham bam thank you sir. It's like they don't want you to come back.


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znelson wrote:
We didn't spend enough at GW stores.... so they punished us with Escalation....

Everyone ignored it.... so they reprinted the rulebook.....

Not many people are buying Visions, so they are forcing to buy the Hard Cover version of it.

Davor wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i buy all my toy soldier related stuff from Gauntlet Games, the FLGS about 25min from my house. Not only is that where i play, but theyre cool people and provide a discount card the more you buy. Need to spend i think its around 100USD to get the card to do anything though, but then your next purchase is a huge discount.
May not be the best discount deal ive seen, but better than GW website offering zilch lol

This is what I can't understand. A lot of other companies give discounts or "rewards" for continuing shopping their all the time. This is why I feel GW don't care about us. Come in and get the frack out like I was a male gigalo or something like that. Wham bam thank you sir. It's like they don't want you to come back.


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znelson wrote:
We didn't spend enough at GW stores.... so they punished us with Escalation....

Everyone ignored it.... so they reprinted the rulebook.....

Not many people are buying Visions, so they are forcing to buy the Hard Cover version of it.

Look, you guys are going to buy this new product and LIKE it!

Hey, where do you think you're going?!? You can't just walk away, we OWN YOU!!

(jokes obviously...well, mostly)

 jasper76 wrote:

 greyknight12 wrote:
At a GW store, I can meet people who play 40K, WHFB, or LOTR. That's the only aspect of the hobby and the community GW stores support.

I'm curious...what would happen if you went with a friend to a GW store, and started playing Warmachine on one of their tables?

What would happen if you walk into a GW store and have a Battletech T-shirt that says at the bottom of the mech, "This is a Real Warhammer".

ids1984 wrote:
I can fully accept the way they conduct business is very flawed and the single product line is very limiting.

But if independent stores are so superior why would they need a GW store to close down to florish and improve the hobby?

I can see the points but cannot accept closure of brick and mortar stores, regardless of brand in a specialist small hobby as a good thing.

A good one won't need GW to close down, but if you're looking to open up a new FLGS in the area, it's a more profitable venture if you'd have the town to yourself. The point is that the diversity that a neutral FLGS offers over a GW-only store is a healthier thing for the hobby because it rewards the innovations that other companies in the market have created and overall forces bigger companies like GW to improve (or die).