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Hey guys. Just a quick shout regarding 7th edition. Without causing too much controversy then remember that the new rule book can be bought from your local store. The stores are suffering badly this year as is the company. It is no cheaper online and even if you get it posted to your home the store gets the £££'s in their till. If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...Just a thought guys. I'll be putting my order through games workshop southport. Where will you put yours? ? Post below and let's give the stores something back....

I'm not an employee but as you can see from my blogs I do visit my store a lot the manager there is a good guy. I put everything through his store, even down to the fact that I buy vouchers for when I am going to Warhammer World and pick up Forge World stuff.

Most of us are going to buy the 7th ed book (even if we say we aren't) because despite all the that GW keeps pulling we love the hobby and keep spending. The guys in store are not the owners/deciders in GW and are just trying to do a job. If your store manager is a tool then find a new store if you like them then support them. The targets are stupid but we can help a little.

Thanks guys

I get what your saying, but it's survival of the fittest for me. Let businesses compete for my money.

Not news or a rumour.....

You mean help out local GW stores? Nooooooooo!

I go one better and help out my FLGS, I get 10% off there for being a regular, and it's friendlier service and the dude who runs it isn't just after what's in my wallet

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Not news or a rumour.....

I figured that seeing as 7th is still rumoured then this was the right place. If it needs moving then could the MOD's please do so.

Meant no upset sorry...

Won't be going to any store for it - easier to stay all digital for me now

Either way GW end up with the money, where do you think the online retailers buy their stock from?

Our only way of voting against the poor decisions of one man stores or the way the company is going is by using our feet (or mouse) for whatever tiny discount we can get and you want us to forfeit this out of the good of our hearts?

Yeah sure...

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

 McManiak wrote:

Most of us are going to buy the 7th ed book (even if we say we aren't) because despite all the that GW keeps pulling we love the hobby and keep spending.

40K is not the hobby. GW is not the hobby. I can quite happily keep spending without giving them a penny. GW can do what it likes, I won't be buying the book, nor being remotely interested in its existence.

The GW Bedford store supports a community of gamers. Though they only sell GW stuff from it has grown a gaming club where anything goes.

I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Plus it is a nice place to spend an afternoon, get free advice on building/painting/playing the hobby, and to work on my own projects

Wow, there is a lot of hate on here people. My FLGS is a GW store and I get on with the manager. That's why I support his shop. I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

I understand that people gsme rlswhere snd dupport that FLGS which I fully agree with. My comment was purely that if you use your local store then buy from your local store.

9unit9 wrote:
I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Sure you would. If the market wasn't over-saturated with worthless GW stores then far superior independent stores would move in to fill the market. Just look at the US market, where most 40k players probably don't have even a single GW store within 50 miles, and somehow still find plenty of places to play.

9unit9 wrote:
The GW Bedford store supports a community of gamers. Though they only sell GW stuff from it has grown a gaming club where anything goes.

I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Plus it is a nice place to spend an afternoon, get free advice on building/painting/playing the hobby, and to work on my own projects

That's a rarity then. Every GW store I've been into I've been jumped on as soon as I've walked in and nearly forced to buy the latest crap that's been released that month. I'm a Blood Angels player, it was suggested that I buy a Stormtalon - which the BA can't take, and then another suggestion was a cannon thing from WH fantasy but I don't have anything from that army. "LET'S SELL HIM THINGS THAT COST MORE!"

It's horrific the way they prey on people, I understand that they have to make money, that's their job, but in any retail position I've worked in, I've never, ever, ever forced someone to buy something they don't need - they won't come back, you need to build up some kind of loyalty in your customer base, not just, "well, we're the only supplies of this crap within 50 miles, deal with it"

 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

This is the most naeve thing I have read in a long time.

 McManiak wrote:
Wow, there is a lot of hate on here people.

It's not hate, it's just simple truth: a GW store is inherently inferior to an independent store. GW stores going out of business may be bad for GW, but it is good for the community as a whole.

You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

The point you're missing is that we have absolutely no sign that 7th is going to fix the problems with 6th. In fact, from what we've heard about GW getting rid of the FOC, it seems that 7th is going to make some of 6th's problems worse. That's not a fix, it's just an attempt to get easy sales by forcing everyone to spend another $75 to keep playing.

True, we don't know. But that is part of the fun and enjoyment/frustration. Only yesterday I was saying how I welcome the new edition. I am geting tired of my White Scars and havent even touched my Nurgle onto the table yet so used my eldar and dark eldar in 2 different games yesterday. With a new edition I will have to learn a new way to use my Scars so can get further enjoyment out of them...

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 Peregrine wrote:

 McManiak wrote:
If we don't put money into the stores they will end up closing...

Actually, this would be a good thing. GW stores shouldn't exist, if GW decides to close them then it's good for the community because those sales will go independent stores that sell GW games and other games. Either buy from a local independent store, or buy online. This whole "support your local GW store" thing is just nonsense.

This is the most naeve thing I have read in a long time.

No, that's how things work outside of the UK.
You guys have your GW stores on every corner and that's all well and good for you but to the rest of the world GW stores are wasted space. There is nothing they do a FLGS doesn't do better and on top of that they are activly trying to hamstring FLGS.

So yes, every (non UK) market is better off without GW stores.

 McManiak wrote:
I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

The internet is more than you and one other hivemind person with a hundred forum accounts. I want a fix to 6th and am happy to see a 7th coming. Cautious and expecting to be let down? Yeah sorta, but still happy, because it's at least another roll of the die where they could just nat 20 their craft (game) check.

I see what your saying but fir the record I am not part of a hive mind and gave only 1 forum account. Not trying to change the world and if things are different outside the UK then as I said support your FLGS by all means. It was ust a shout to let people who shop in a GW store understand that by buying direct from GW the store doesn't benefit. Not everyone understands that.

The best thing about 7th will be that is ANOTHER set of rules you can use or not use...

Hate? Blind worship is a far bigger problem than perceived hate. If you give an award to everyone just for participating rather than actually award someone who has done well and encourage the runners up to improve you do nothing but breed and promote mediocrity and stagnation.


I've been intent on actually purchasing something from the local GW here, with the one man store fun this means I have gone 4-5 times on different occasions in a row only to find the door closed and the place empty, despite the times saying it's open. I understand the hours and such and how they have to take a break but it doesn't match up at times like this as I just see it they should have kept the stores as they were. Just makes me think of those who had run into the same thing; seeing the store and thinking to give it a look but first sidelined by this then the prices. At this point I'd rather just go straight to the FLGS for the books and simply continue with online purchases when possible. The few things I do buy in store (books for the most part, I just prefer the physical copy though for convenience have some of the digitals first) are because the difference between online and in store turned out to be low enough that avoiding the waiting felt worth it.

Would I walk in anyway despite this and likely drop $150 on a rule book? Probably not anyways, I prefer the smaller one that comes with the starter sets because it's way more convenient than lugging around the full one; not even mentioning the rate they seem to like copy and pasting existing lore which makes that section mostly redundant. Saying this because of the rumoured change to the starter rue book, but that'll have to wait to be seen; but I'm hoping there is a smaller version available. I'll be waiting for it at least.

I will be purchasing my copy via my local GW store.

 McManiak wrote:
It is no cheaper online...

The what now? The book will be available online considerably cheaper than GW will have it in their own stores. Particularly for those of us in countries that are currently getting shafted by GW's regional trade policies.






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 McManiak wrote:
I thinkmpeoples memories run shallow when they start moaning about the quick turn between 6th and 7th but these same people have batted on constantly about 6th being broken. You wanted a fix to 6th but moan about them releasing 7th??

I think you're seeing multiple complaints and attaching them to the same people without any actual evidence that this is the case.

Personally, I'm all for seeing 6th ed get the boot, because it's become a game that I have no interest in playing and I've been hoping that 7th edition would fix the issues that I see with 6th. So as irritating as it is that GW have managed to make such a mess of their flagship game that a new edition within 2 years was actually warranted, the news of the arrival of 7th edition was, for me, a positive thing... right up until they started telling us what was going to be in it, and it just started looking like even more of a mess than 6th is.



But regardless of how good 7th edition is, I won't be buying it from a Games Workshop store, because GW choose to charge me twice what they charge their customers in the US and the UK, just because they think they can. And because I refuse to support their one-man store model, partly because it's a stupid concept, and partly because GW shouldn't be rewarded for their hypocrisy in calling independants that sell online freeloaders who don't contribute anything to the gaming community while removing their own community support and the gaming space from most of their stores.

When GW decide to treat their customers and their trade partners with some modicum of respect, I might reconsider handing over cash to them again.

I would, but GW has yet to grace Brazil with its shops. The FLGSs around try to import GW stuff (and other wargames), but the taxes kill such attempts.

 Peregrine wrote:

9unit9 wrote:
I myself would not have anyone to play without the local one man store and the introduction to other gamers it has provided

Sure you would. If the market wasn't over-saturated with worthless GW stores then far superior independent stores would move in to fill the market. Just look at the US market, where most 40k players probably don't have even a single GW store within 50 miles, and somehow still find plenty of places to play.

I have never seen a Games Workshop store, but I know i can walk into my FLGS on any given Thursday and get a pickup game.

Can I donate the money for the new rulebook to support GW store closings?

I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

Except that they probably only give painting advice using Citidel paints and glue... Trying to push more of their overpriced product. My FLGS has many people who are great painters who would be happy to share their techniques and show you whats your doing wrong.

9unit9 wrote:
I feel sorry for all those who don't have a decent one man store. But I can't believe they are all bad, Bedford is an example of this

People seam to forget that GW store staff are trained in more than just to sell, if they are doing their job correctly.

If your local independent stockist is only selling GW as part of its business (it could be a comic book store, which Bedford also has) then try and go in and ask which paint would be best for the job?

My local one man GW store means I can go in, sit down and do some painting and ask questions/get advice and buy any specific items I need, after discussing my actual needs

Try getting that from an independent stockist who does not know how GWs range of paints is designed to be used

My FLGS carries 4-5 different kinds of primer, so when I asked one of the three guys working there, he called over the guy who specialized in minis, who walked me through the different options. I decided to try Army Painter, which was about half the price of GW's, and it worked fantastic.

Try getting that from a GW store staff.

I do not expect much of this edition, so I will not rush to the store to buy it.

I will ignore it and let some months to pass before taking a decision. And I will probably buy a second hand copy, if I buy it.

McManiak, I get that you're trying to be supportive of your local GW guy, and I'm sure he's a good person and nobody wants him to lose his job. But it is not our fault that GW puts him or her in a position to fail.

These stores are struggling because they do a poor job of satisfying customer demand (and gosh, they compete with FLGS here, if they're struggling in the UK where they dont' have much competition then that looks like really bad news). Were these the GW stores I recall from about 8-10 years ago, I'd say sure! They had a full staff, a ton of gaming space, all the supplies they needed, plus all the services GW stores used to provide: bitz services, specialists games, etc. etc. Heck, I remember the store being popular to the point where one of the Carolina Panthers NFL players used to come in! (imagine a huge dude playing next to a bunch of five-foot something guys )

But that's not what we're given any more. GW thinks they're Louis Vuitton, and it's enough to put their product in glass cases and treat you like you should feel honored just to buy it, and I think that's bogus. GW produces some of the best models, but they aren't always the best anymore and the price they expect for them is only going higher and higher.

Furthermore, they've cut out almost all of their "gaming" content. I hear some GW stores only allow demo games, and their website does not have one, single, iota of hobby material.

EDIT: I could go on, but I hope you get the picture and why people aren't amped up to buy a book coming in at half the lifespan of any previous rulebooks, and why this causes some..."hate" (I really don't like that word in terms of people's complaints). It is GW's job to take care of their stores and make them a place people want to go (an easy first step would be to have them open every day of the week!). People buying these books just to support their store owner gives GW the message that they can do whatever they want, we will buy their product no matter what. And that, to me, is a bad message.