Therion wrote:Well I kept repeating myself about this subject already back in the days of Portent.net. Gary Morley and Aly & Trish Morrison sculpt (in my opinion) absolutely horrible miniatures by GW's modern standards. Trish usually gets to sculpt the animals and monsters and has (in my opinion) miserably failed every single time apart from the unrealistic and weird-but-still-cool-looking Carnosaur. The other two can't sculpt faces without making females look like transvestites or monsters, and the way they pose the models are straight from the early 1990's. I believe the only model by either of them that is still used and generally liked is Prince Tyrion which seems to have been a one hit wonder. The reason they have been able to keep their jobs (in my opinion) has to have something to do with their long standing work history at the company instead of the actual results.

People were predicting a massive 'Beastfail' already when they heard about the sculptor lineup for the release, and although I wouldn't call all of the models absolutely useless they certainly aren't even close to what I've come to expect from Citadel Miniatures. Juan Diaz, Jes Goodwin and Alex Hedström are all household names I hold to a very high regard. Seb Perbet and Brian Nelson are very talented too, although Nelson's work is sometimes a bit more inspired than some other times. Feel free to disagree, and I'm sure there are exceptions to everything.

Lunahound wrote:I not sure what Gnolls are , but they look like wolves? im using these:

LunaHound wrote:Alliance FTW

Kanluwen wrote:Except once again, that ridiculous expression doesn't come standard.

It really is the eyes giving the Razorgor that comical effect.

Yeah, the models themselves aren't that great--but they're not a big honking joke model like it's made out to be.

Kanluwen wrote:I still maintain that it's the eyes really throwing them off, much like it was the overaccentuated paintjob on the Minotaurs doing the same.

JOHIRA wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I still maintain that it's the eyes really throwing them off, much like it was the overaccentuated paintjob on the Minotaurs doing the same.

We'll have to respectfully agree to vehemently disagree then. Say I'm overly confident in my ability to identify 3-dimensional shapes in a 2-dimensional image, but I don't agree with you. I think the whole models are bad, from concept to finished product, from stupid facial expression to the tip of their clown-tails. I cannot believe that any paint job can save those models. Even if Bongo, the god of model painting, came down from Olympus and put a perfect paint job on these, they would still be the worst models Games Workshop has ever made. Worse than Lamartes. Worse than the Dark Eldar Warp Beasts. Worse than Nagash.

But feel free to prove me wrong. Paint one up and post it here. Maybe that could even be the theme of a Dakka painting challenge- see who can get the most out of the worst model.

Sidstyler wrote:...holy god.

I just...um...I'm going to go away for a while. I don't know when I'll be back...

*stares at the razorgor models for 10 minutes straight without blinking, then turns and slowly walks away while whispering "The horror..." over and over*

LunaHound wrote:Alliance FTW

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:As to the Razorgor thingies, omg I haven't laughed that hard in ages, especially with Luna's descriptions.

Thorgut wrote:I'm confused. If they're the Razorgors, what's up with the model GW just released?
EDIT: Are these just conversions?

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Thorgut wrote:I'm confused. If they're the Razorgors, what's up with the model GW just released?
EDIT: Are these just conversions?

Yes the unit of razorgors is made up of conversions on the original model.

BrassScorpion wrote:One thing that intrigues me about the Army Book are the large monsters for which there are no models, like the Cygor, Ghorgon (giant Minotaur) and Jabberslythe.

It wrote:Not to mention there isn't even a picture for the Jabberslythe...
It'll be espcially interesting to see what people come up with for that.

As the years have passed our life as a public company has gone through several phases. We are now in one that seems
destined to be the quo that will be our status for a long time. Once upon a time, when we were, sadly, fashionable, many and
varied were our owners. Today just four own, cumulatively, over 60% of our stock. They are the Nomad Partnership, Phoenix,
Investec and Schroder. Three of that four bought more stock in the last year. I mention this to allow me to talk about the
distinction between these, our owners, and a mythical beast called 'The Market'. The Market is not an entity, it is not a person
in the legal sense. It is a collective noun. As with all collective nouns it covers a great deal of ground and includes a wide range
of attitudes and expectations. You cannot please all of the people all of the time. Abraham Lincoln said that. You cannot please
all of The Market at all. I said that*. I can now discuss the business on first name terms rather than presenting to a thousand
anonymous institutions. In the future, as in the past, we will be concerned with what our owners think, but not what we are told
The Market thinks. When you hear the words 'The Market' think: Jabberwocky! It helps.

GIFTS (can only be taken once per army (big disappointment since there are only 8 and most are cheap...))
-Crown of Horns: The wearer and any unit he is with is Stubborn.
-Every combat round all enemy minis in base contact take a strength 3 hit before other blows are struck.
-Lots of Arms! Plus one attack at basic stats.
-Armour Piercing (doesn’t say can’t combine with magic weapon).
-5+ Scaly Skin that can be combined with other armor.
-Rune of The True Beast: Animals (mounts, swarms, monsters, chariot pullers, ect) at –1 to hit bearer.
-+1 Initiative.
-If the model is even partially within cover enemy gets an additional –1 to hit with shooting (on top of usual –1).

MAGIC WEAPONS
-Nangelder: The wielder causes Terror. In addition, models wounded by the wielder suffer a -1Ld penalty for every wound.
- Unnamed Gauntlet of Elven Blades: +D3 Attacks. If a 6 is rolled for bonus attacks then the wielder's attacks ignore Armour Saves for this turn. Rumor says it was Two-handed but I don't remember...
-Hunting Spear: A Magical Spear. May also be used as a Bolt Thrower, which may shoot after moving (not marching) and may be used to Stand-and-Shoot.
-Axes of Khorgor: +1A, the wielder may re-roll failed "To Hit" rolls. Two-handed.
-Stonecrusher: +3S. The wielder has S10 against Steamtanks, Chariots, Warshrines, Corpse Carts etc.
-Brass Cleaver: The wielder may make a single bonus attack against each enemy model in base-to-base contact at basic strength.
-Everbleed: Whenever the wielder inflicts a wound on an enemy model, roll a D6. On a 6, the model suffers another wound with no saves of any kind allowed, and you must roll again until you do not roll a 6.
-Unnamed Weapon: The wielder treats the opponent's Leadership as his Strength.
-Unnamed Weapon(Manfalyer?): The wielder has Killing Blow. In addition, if the wielder kills an enemy character in a challenge (might have just been an enemy mini, I forget which...), they (and any unit they are with) become Unbreakable and cause Terror.

MAGIC ARMOR
-Trollhide Armour: Light Armour, Confers Regeneration upon the wearer.
-Black (or burnt) Plate Armor: Heavy armor. Confers a 2+ Ward Save against Flaming Attacks upon the bearer, and a 4+ Ward Save against Flaming Attacks for the unit he is with.
-Unnamed Armor: Heavy armor. A hit against the bearer magic weapons allow a D6 to be rolled (just one regardless of number I think). On a roll of a 2+ it looses all magical properties for the rest of the game.
-Unnamed Armour: Light armor. Enemies are at –1 to hit with shooting and get –2 to casting rolls targeting bearer or his unit.
-Unnamed armor: 6+ save (apparently a helm). Successful saves allow one attack per save on inflicting model at basic stats of bearer.

ENCHANTED ITEMS

-Herdstone Shard: Mark one spot within your deployment zone. All friendly wizards casting a spell within 6" of this spot get an additional "free" power dice in the magic phase (not per spell as previously rumored).
-Horn of the Great Hunt: Beastlord/Wargor only. Bound Spell, Level 3. Contains the spell "Bestial Surge" with a range of 36".
-Horn of the First Beast: Beastlord/Wargor only. All Beastmen within 36" of the bearer may re-roll failed Primal Fury rolls.
-Stone of Spite: Bound spell level 5. One use only. All Arcane Items (friend or foe) within 18" of the user are destroyed. The bearer of each item that is destroyed takes D6 S4 hits per item (rumor says this is a bound spell but I don't recall it being one).
-Some sort of manskin that makes the beast look like an ugly peasant!: Confers the scout ability.
-Unamed Item: No enemy musician bonus in bearers combat.

TALISMANS

-Unamed Talisman: Magic Resistance 2. Wizards within 24” that miscast using life, heavens, light, can be forced to re-roll result.
-Unamed Talisman: For one enemy shooting round all shooting is –1 to hit and non-BS shooting attacks only work on a 4+.

ARCANE ITEMS
-Unnamed Item: Al friendly wizards within 6” get +1 to casting rolls.
-Staff of Darkoth: Bound Spell, Power Level 3. Casts "Viletide".
-Unnamed Dagger (not a weapon but described as a dagger): Bray-Shaman only. Put aside every model killed by this weapon - they may be used as one-use Power Dice by the wielder.
-Unnamed Item: Each magic phase pick an enemy unit within 24”. During that phase all failed magic caused wound rolls may be re-rolled.


MAGIC BANNERS

-Banner of Rust: All units (enemy or otherwise) within 6" suffer a -1 penalty to their Armour Save. Units in Base-to-Base contact with the banner suffer a -2 penalty (including the bearing unit). This does not affect Scaly Skin saves.
-Unnamed Banner: The unit carrying this banner has +1S.
-Unnamed Banner: All enemy within 6” get –1LD.
-Unnamed Banner: The unit auto-passes all primal fury checks but enemy units in combat with this unit hate this unit.

Kiwidru wrote:Does anyone know why (other than the preorder release day) there has been 0 beastmen coverage by the gw website?

Mister Feral wrote:
I think the plastic Fellbeast with a new head and another set of sculpted arms would work as a Jabberslyth.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:A shame they cost a fortune or I would figure out some way to use them in my 40K orks (maybe attached to a battlewagon as a deffrolla).