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Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 12:20:38


Post by: reds8n


*cracks knuckles*

Righto : this is the first fantasy armybook of 2010, comes out quarter 1...I guess we should view this, even more so than the Skaven, as being built to take into account the ongoing 8th edition WFB release next year and changes therein.

Plastic Minotaurs and Besigors and a few metal models as well, Mr. Scryer in the Darkness from Warseer dug up the following :

Doombull (Metal Box) - TBD
Grulgor* (Metal Box) - TBD
Gors (Plastic Box) - TBD
Ungors (Plastic Box) - TBD
Bestigors (Plastic Box) - 32,50 €
Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - 35,00 €

And the Chariot got a new product code, though that may not necessarily mean it's getting a new model.


Gors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00
Ungors (Plastic Box) - £15.00 / US?? / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00
Bestigors (Plastic Box) - £25.00 / US?? / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00
Minotaurs (Plastic Box) - £27.00 / US?? / 35,00 € / Oz$74.00

But the metal box codes are a bit muddied by the multitude of new codes for existing metal products that aren't actually going to to be getting new kits. I have three metal products that are "new", I'm pretty certain the first two are Doombull and Grulgor respectively, and I get the feeling that the £35 box is just the existing Centigors. So I'll just leave these unassigned for the moment until I can get a confirmation on what is actually new and what has just been given a new product code:

(Metal Box) - £15.00 / US$25.00 / 22,50 € / Oz$44.00
(Metal Box) - £25.00 / US$41.25 / 32,50 € / Oz$69.00
(Metal Box) - £35.00 / US$57.75 / 50,00 € / Oz$96.00


I believe he is right with regards to the centigors.. and perhaps this "grulgor" is either a special character -- there has been talk of a "revered beast spawn"-- some overly mutated or messed up beastman "hero" or perhaps is the "new" monster the army is getting perhaps ?

Thanks to Mr. Grimgorironhide for these rumours

Not sure if already posted but I found this off warhammer forums.
"Beastmen due out at the start of March.
*** Herds/Ungors are still mixed and rank up 5 wide. Champions no longer confer a +1 LD bonus - however the majority of beast units and characters have went up 1 in LD.
*** Ambush is still available to the herds.
*** Minotaur lords are still available and have access to Beast mutations. Makes minotaurs core.
*** Chariots are now special choices but 2 for 1.
*** Centigors are core and fast cav however you still need to take gors/ungors/bestigors to fill up your core slots.
*** Gorgon is the new monster in the Rare spots.
*** Centigor Hero available
*** Beastlords with LD9"
The width issue is a no brainer to be fixed, I think we can take that as a given. I have also heard talk about different "breeds" of warhounds perhaps being available... I'm guessing this might be as simple as buying them poisoned attacks/regeneration/clown shoes and red noses etc etc.

I gather the roles of the Shaman and the Minotaurs will be expanded upon in this release.. makes sense and is, again, a kind of retrotastic move by GW back towards the RoC era fluff.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 12:22:31


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Beats of Chaos?

Sounds like an 90s compilation album.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 12:28:36


Post by: reds8n


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Beats of Chaos?
.


...

SHAZAM ! Look.. it never happened... actually I think there was a series of 90s electronica called "Tyranny of the beats" one of the songs featured samples of the Borgised Picard.

..anyway..[/hijack]

back to our furry woodland friends.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 12:57:49


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Indeed, I hope they get minotaurs right this time, some mindbogglingly ugly models for them atm.

And yes, all that talk of minotaur lords and shamen gettin expanded put me immediately in mind of the minotaur and shamen champions in RoC-The Lost and the Damned.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 14:24:35


Post by: Alpharius


I know the answer is probably "no", but I am hoping that the other Beasts of Chaos are still available in a Beasts of Chaos army.

You know, Giants, Trolls and Dragon Ogres.

Sadly, though, I'm guessing that these Beasts are now only in the Mortals of Chaos army, right?

I hope not though...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 14:30:38


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


So if that's coming in March.....

What is the censored Black Box for Fantasy arriving in January?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 14:35:02


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I wonder how they'll be packaged. The new skaven have an honest to gosh price drop, 20 for $33 down from 20 for $35 and TONS better than the 10 for $22 GW has been pushing lately.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 14:36:08


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


In tens I'd imagine at those prices (£12 for 10 is the norm these days)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 18:35:41


Post by: spacewolflord


If dragon Orgers are still in the beast army then I hope to the dark gods that they get some new models. They are worse then the Minotaurs to me.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/08 19:21:45


Post by: Alpharius


They could certainly benefit from a re-sculpt, bringing them inline with the excellent Shaggoth model.

That is, if these Beasts are still Beasts...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 12:25:50


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Where are the plastic khorngors and pestigors?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 12:50:49


Post by: warpcrafter


So Gors and Ungors are in separate boxes this time? That's good news. The spear that came on the last plastic Ungors were pitifully delicate. I hope the plastic Minotaurs look better than the ones that came with Warhammer Quest.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 12:55:16


Post by: Flashman


Tim the Biovore wrote:Where are the plastic khorngors and pestigors?


Unlikey to happen, but maybe the Bestigor box will have a few Chaos God specific icons to scatter around the regiment. Either that or you paint them red, green, pink or blue depending on your chosen allegience.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 13:02:55


Post by: reds8n


warpcrafter wrote:So Gors and Ungors are in separate boxes this time? That's good news. The spear that came on the last plastic Ungors were pitifully delicate. I hope the plastic Minotaurs look better than the ones that came with Warhammer Quest.


..maybe...I'm not saying it's impossible but that's a fair old recut of the current sprues they've done here then.

If so I'd say we can take this to mean the death of the current "mixed" units anyway.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 13:07:49


Post by: bubber


Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.
Then I might redo my army.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 13:10:56


Post by: Deff Dread red Edition


After I saw they were coming out(about 4-5 days ago on another forum)I put off my plans to do skaven. Really love them can't wait for them to come out!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 14:46:18


Post by: BrassScorpion


Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.

Minotaurs are based on the monster of classical Greek mythology, Asterius, called the Minotaur, slain by Theseus. That Minotaur was a man with the head of a bull. Man with the head of a bull = Minotaur. Bull with the head of a bull = bull. If the GW Minotaur models had hooves they wouldn't be monstrous Minotaurs, they'd be cattle. I like the models the way they are, though I've found them to be more fragile than expected as a unit in games. Big scary models don't always equate to scary in games if the rules leave them a bit frail.

Glad to see a lot more plastic on the way. But what of Khorngors and Pestigors? And will Slaanesh and Tzeentch finally get dedicated Beastman models?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 14:54:15


Post by: Platuan4th


BrassScorpion wrote:
Hope the minotaurs get hooves not feet.

Minotaurs are based on the monster of classical Greek mythology, Asterius, called the Minotaur, slain by Theseus. That Minotaur was a man with the head of a bull. Man with the head of a bull = Minotaur. Bull with the head of a bull = bull. If the GW Minotaur models had hooves they wouldn't be monstrous Minotaurs, they'd be cattle.


Yep, whilst it has become standard Fantasy fare to see Minotaurs with hooves(something that springs from D&D it appears, as I can't find anything older that shows anything other than feet, except one illustration by William Blake for the Inferno where he confuses a line and mixes the Minotaur with the Centaurs mentioned a few lines later), Classical depictions have feet.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:21:08


Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy


Damn. I hope they don't start selling Gors and Ungors seperately. That would make building a unit a LOT harder .


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:39:14


Post by: skrulnik


Unless they are separate again.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:39:55


Post by: Alpharius


As it has been explained to me...

Mortals of Chaos represent the armies from up there in the Northern Chaos Wastes, so that's why they got the big gribbly beasts like Trolls, Dragon Ogres and Giants.

The Beasts of Chaos is more of the what's hiding in the deep, dark nasty forests between pockets of civilizations and cities.

So, it looks like none of my favorite monsters will be in the new Beasts of Chaos list!

Sad, so sad...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:50:01


Post by: jullevi


Bestigors' £25/32,50e price tag sounds awfully familiar. Goldgors, anyone?

(to me it is blindingly obvious that they are £25/10 models.)

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Damn. I hope they don't start selling Gors and Ungors seperately. That would make building a unit a LOT harder .


It couldn't be any harder than it is at the moment. The current ratio of 3:2 gors to ungors is horrible, it should be the other way around.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:53:25


Post by: Alpharius


You're probably right, sadly.

They may follow the more recent Stormvermin price/count model though in that they'll be $50 for 20?

I wonder if they'll have options for all 5 types though (4 gods + Undivided)?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 16:54:11


Post by: BrassScorpion


I have a bunch of metal Bestigors that I bought cheap at the last US Battle Bunker "Dented Box" sale they ever had in Maryland in January 2004. When I first saw here that Bestigors were going to be plastic, I considered selling my metal ones. But since I got my metal ones for about $10 US per box and the new plastics will cost probably $33 US or more, maybe I should stick with what I've got.

Also, to me it seems that selling Ungors and Gors separately is a good thing, that way you can alter the ratio between the two to your liking rather than being stuck with the one that is forced on you in the current packaging.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 17:15:20


Post by: Platuan4th


Alpharius wrote:As it has been explained to me...

Mortals of Chaos represent the armies from up there in the Northern Chaos Wastes, so that's why they got the big gribbly beasts like Trolls, Dragon Ogres and Giants.

The Beasts of Chaos is more of the what's hiding in the deep, dark nasty forests between pockets of civilizations and cities.

So, it looks like none of my favorite monsters will be in the new Beasts of Chaos list!

Sad, so sad...


Chaos Trolls exist far south of the Chaos Wastes, too. At least according to Vermintide(between Karak Ungor and Karak Kadrin in the World's Edge Mountains) and the Gotrek and Felix novels(Border Prince territories).

Pretty much anywhere Warpstone and Trolls can come into contact, Chaos Trolls exist.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 19:48:20


Post by: BrassScorpion


All the info above plus a lot more is posted here.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/09 19:51:32


Post by: JD21290


Im liking this, doombull leading a minotaur army supported by dragon ogres and a gorgan
Where do i sign?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 05:59:02


Post by: dumbuket


Beasts are coming in February not March, and there will not be anything called a "gorgon". The new rare monster is called a Razorgor.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 06:12:46


Post by: dogma


reds8n wrote:
Plastic Minotaurs




Good, good.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 06:29:25


Post by: Clang


Plastic minotaurs will also be very useful for 40K Chaos armies - great Demon Princes


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 09:15:50


Post by: reds8n


dumbuket wrote:Beasts are coming in February not March

yes.


, and there will not be anything called a "gorgon". The new rare monster is called a Razorgor.

hmm... could be then, that name is "good" methinks.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 09:26:21


Post by: JOHIRA


warpcrafter wrote:The spear that came on the last plastic Ungors were pitifully delicate.


Those spears are the best things about the ungors. They actually look like spears, not clubby halberds, and in a rare move for a GW model they aren't in a ludicrous scale compared to the rest of the figure. One of my favorite things about my beastmen is seeing them all ranked up with the frothing-for-battle gors at the front and the ungors in the back holding up proper spears.

I'm just on the verge of finishing an expensive and ridiculously time-consuming converted unit of bestigors, but I'm so happy with it I don't care that new bestigor plastics are coming out. Unless they totally conflict with my other models, I'll be happy to use them to fill out the unit. It would be a pity if dragon ogres left the list, if only because I had a killer conversion planned. I really like the idea of centigors as fast cavalry as it fits much better with a conversion I'm working on.

My only wish is that we get more options to make the rank-and-file act more like Roman-era Germanic tribesmen. I want throwing axes or framae or something like that.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 14:52:32


Post by: Boss Salvage


I love me those ungor spears too, so nice and not telephone pole sized

Thanks for all this Red (& 'Seer), I'm thrilled that the beasts will be coming back in force so soon. I have high hopes for the plastic minos, though I'm in the hoof camp myself, as it looks less dopey and fits in with all the other hoofed beasts in the line.

- Salvage


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 15:41:05


Post by: Alpharius


JD21290 wrote:Im liking this, doombull leading a minotaur army supported by dragon ogres and a gorgan
Where do i sign?


You might have to sign somewhere else, as Dragon Ogres are hinted at NOT being available to the new Beasts...

Of course I hope this isn't true but...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 21:34:24


Post by: Necros


So if beasts are the last army done before the new version, will they end up sucking the way Chaos Marines did?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 21:42:56


Post by: Ozymandias


Chaos Marines weren't the last army done before 5th ed. They weren't even the second to last army done before 5th ed.

Last army was Daemons and Orks were before that.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/10 21:51:18


Post by: Necros


ok, i'm a dummy

I hope they make em good. I've been looking for a reason to get back to my kroot beastman army that I never ever played.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/11 05:25:15


Post by: Mad Monk's Mekshop


Beasts of chaos are mad go ahead if you have the money...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 20:04:45


Post by: Saintspirit


Oh, i can't wait for the plastic minotaurs... I don't want to buy more of those ther are now, so i use a spawn

I hope you're right that there won't be a "Gorgon", dumbuket... A gorgon is a girl with snakehair!! Not a beast of Chaos!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 21:13:14


Post by: Alpharius


Because a giant female that can turn people to stone wih a glance and a mass of writhing snakes instead of hair is... not a rather chaotic beast?

Anyway, rumors are starting to slip out more and more now.

And let's just say... I've got a bad feeling about this...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 21:22:37


Post by: reds8n


Time will tell I guess, I hope it's a strong release, the idea and fluff of the beasts is something that appeals a lot to me.

Anyway, AFAIk the gors, ungors and Bestigors all come in boxes of 10 I believe.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 21:33:00


Post by: Saintspirit


Alpharius wrote:Because a giant female that can turn people to stone wih a glance and a mass of writhing snakes instead of hair is... not a rather chaotic beast?

Gorgons aren't very big, i'd say a gorgon would be better for Dark elves or perhaps lizardmen, but who knows?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 21:50:35


Post by: gorgon


Gorgons don't make sense unless they're going with the D&D-style Gorgon. It's a bull-like creature, so that fits the farm animal theme. Twenty-plus years later and I still don't understand why TSR called mutant bulls gorgons and called gorgons medusas.

Separate Ungors are a godsend. Thank you GW. I think I'm finally going to build that Beasts army I've been kicking around for years. I've got a good start on the Herds, Minotaurs and Hounds...I just need to fill it out.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 21:59:30


Post by: Schepp himself


Is it just me or is this list with most of the monsters being dropped awfully one-dimensional?

I still not getting why chaos isn't a combined army book.

Greets
Schepp himself


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 22:07:25


Post by: Flashman


Could Beasts of Chaos actually get any more one dimensional? That would be some achievement...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 22:08:39


Post by: Alpharius


Schepp himself wrote:Is it just me or is this list with most of the monsters being dropped awfully one-dimensional?

I still not getting why chaos isn't a combined army book.

Greets
Schepp himself


The whole thing is driven by GW Beancounters as a way to 'force' older Chaos forces to expand what was once 1 army over 2 books into 3 armies over 3 books.

Sad, but true!

(I think!)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/13 22:40:52


Post by: cygnnus


Alpharius wrote:
Schepp himself wrote:Is it just me or is this list with most of the monsters being dropped awfully one-dimensional?

I still not getting why chaos isn't a combined army book.

Greets
Schepp himself


The whole thing is driven by GW Beancounters as a way to 'force' older Chaos forces to expand what was once 1 army over 2 books into 3 armies over 3 books.

Sad, but true!

(I think!)


And yet they won't break out the 40k Chaos Legions into separate lists to "force" the same type of thing in 40k...

And, yes, I know Chaos Daemons were broken out, so I guess that kind of counts.

Vale,

JohnS


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 00:47:27


Post by: mal


plastic bestigors;
hopefully so much easier to convert to Tzaangors.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 02:23:21


Post by: JOHIRA


gorgon wrote:Gorgons don't make sense unless they're going with the D&D-style Gorgon. It's a bull-like creature, so that fits the farm animal theme.


I always thought the bull-gorgon was Mesopotamian in origin. Although reading Wikipedia it appears they come from Greek legends. Which oddly ties in very nicely with my army but I suspect does not with most BoC armies out there. If they do go this route, I hope it looks more like an ancient, mutated Auroch from the hidden places no mortals know, and less like an angry cow from Old MacDonald's farm that's been dipped in glue and rolled in a pile of pennies.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 10:52:36


Post by: bubber


GW have sent me a pict of the new Beastmen army book - how do I show it here???


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 10:59:20


Post by: Flashman


You have to drive Legoburner's house and bribe him with jellybabies.

No, not really, just use attachment and then browse to wherever you've saved the pic.

Anyway, it's already up in Fantasy Discussions.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 11:11:13


Post by: reds8n


for completeness' sake anyway

[Thumb - Beastmen_EN_550x756.jpg]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 11:16:55


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Hmmm, they are looking very...pink...

And what's with taking all the monsters out of the list? Weird-ass stuff lurking in the woods accompanying the army is part of the fluff for beasts since Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned.

GW seems hell bent on making chaos into 3 very regimented and unchaotic armies. I wish they'd combine them and put more into segregation via chaos god or certain HQ choices.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 11:22:08


Post by: dogma


Was the penis plate really necessary?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 11:27:33


Post by: NAVARRO


Interesting cover, nothing mindblowing but I guess it fits beastmen well.
Beastmen have lovely gors/ungors sprues, some of the GW best, speaking of best moments, I do really miss them in 40k backing up the cult.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 12:04:20


Post by: Flashman


dogma wrote:Was the penis plate really necessary?


Think you need anatomy lessons, Dogma. It's slightly too high for that


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 12:36:24


Post by: reds8n


Flashman wrote:
dogma wrote:Was the penis plate really necessary?


Think you need anatomy lessons, Dogma. It's slightly too high for that


Chaos mutation table #675-681 "Misplaced genitals. The chaos warriors organs are removed from their normal position and placed elsewhere on his body. The model gains 1 fear point but may, in certain circumstances, be unable to wear a hat."


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 12:42:33


Post by: Flachzange


MeanGreenStompa wrote:
GW seems hell bent on making chaos into 3 very regimented and unchaotic armies. I wish they'd combine them and put more into segregation via chaos god or certain HQ choices.


I absolutely agree with you on this one! It just doesnt feel chaos anymore

reds8n wrote:
Flashman wrote:
dogma wrote:Was the penis plate really necessary?


Think you need anatomy lessons, Dogma. It's slightly too high for that


Chaos mutation table #675-681 "Misplaced genitals. The chaos warriors organs are removed from their normal position and placed elsewhere on his body. The model gains 1 fear point but may, in certain circumstances, be unable to wear a hat."




Sig'ed


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 12:51:23


Post by: Alpharius


It actually looks as if someone has managed to sneak around the back and managed to back stab him to such epic proportions that the sword has come out through the belly!

Clearly, he'll have to lead from the front rank from now on.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:01:42


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Maybe if the gorgon is coming back (and I remember the superb Ackland picture in WHFB 3rd Ed) then perhaps...just perhaps, the Jabberwocky might make a comeback.


Ah well, I can dream!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:08:18


Post by: Tim the Biovore


That cover is less than satisfying. Why did they make it look like a dude who is wearing an animal mask?

But that aside, I now have to not collect two armies for a while.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:17:54


Post by: Thalor


The bottom left corner of the cover pic show a beastagor with a shield.. Perhaps more weapon option for the beastagors. That'd be sweet!

Thalor


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:21:49


Post by: Tim the Biovore


When haven't they been allowed shields?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:39:04


Post by: reds8n


I think the Bestigors will still have 2 handed weapons still.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:44:50


Post by: Cheese Elemental


I think Beastmen look better when they're more human.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:45:35


Post by: H.B.M.C.


reds8n wrote:Anyway, AFAIk the gors, ungors and Bestigors all come in boxes of 10 I believe.


So if I want to get a mixed box of Gors/Ungors, now would be the time?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:48:08


Post by: reds8n


yes.

...be careful with basing options I would suggest.

did you all note the books title...



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:49:01


Post by: Cheese Elemental


H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote:Anyway, AFAIk the gors, ungors and Bestigors all come in boxes of 10 I believe.


So if I want to get a mixed box of Gors/Ungors, now would be the time?

Don't forget the discounts and free shipping.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:49:33


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Basing options don't mean a lot to me. I'd be using them for Warhammer Quest only - and as such only need one box.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 13:51:38


Post by: reds8n


Then you should be fine...but get them fast, now the email has gone out they won't be sending out many replacement box sets if any, so..quick quick man thing.. doh'! wrong army.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:28:21


Post by: Jin


reds8n wrote:
did you all note the books title...


Huh - curious. The notable lack of "of Chaos" certainly slipped by me.

Wonder how that's gonna affect things.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:39:21


Post by: Kirasu


Maybe chaos' influence was to blame for the horrid minotaur models.. Getting rid of chaos could increase model appearance


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:40:15


Post by: Jin


One can only hope.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:41:22


Post by: reds8n


Hmm.. well you know how codex : Chaos Space Marine focused entirely on them rather than any/all variants thereof...

..I'm saying the title : Warhammer : Beastmen is perhaps a similar approach to this, so the focus is on the Beastmen as opposed to "Beasts of chaos" in general. So..the removal of some of the monsters and non beastman elements in the army does seem more likely.

Hence, perhaps why we get the razorgor-- as those creatures "hang" with beastmen and are part of their society in a similar fashion as squigs do with orcs-- and not the rumoured Gorgon or non Beastman related beasties.

I'd prefer there to still have monsters etc in there still, I just don't think it looks very likely.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:46:33


Post by: Jin


Oh. Yeah, totally didn't pick up on that aspect of the title -__-.

I guess Minotaurs are likely to be the "Big Hitters" of this book then. Agreed that it'd have been nice to maintain the other things that go "bump in the night" in the list.



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:49:06


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


reds8n wrote:Hmm.. well you know how codex : Chaos Space Marine focused entirely on them rather than any/all variants thereof...

..I'm saying the title : Warhammer : Beastmen is perhaps a similar approach to this, so the focus is on the Beastmen as opposed to "Beasts of chaos" in general. So..the removal of some of the monsters and non beastman elements in the army does seem more likely.

Hence, perhaps why we get the razorgor-- as those creatures "hang" with beastmen and are part of their society in a similar fashion as squigs do with orcs-- and not the rumoured Gorgon or non Beastman related beasties.

I'd prefer there to still have monsters etc in there still, I just don't think it looks very likely.


How very David Attenborough...

Like I said, far too ordered and segmented for me, not like Chaos as we were presented it before.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 14:59:18


Post by: reds8n


Whoops, I never included the text !

Incoming! Beastmen

In the dark places of the world, the Beastmen have been gathering in number and in February they will unleash their rage on the Warhammer world with renewed vigour. A feral army of twisted monsters, the Beastmen have inhabitant the dark forests and wild places of the world since such places existed. To lead a Beastmen army is to field vast herds of braying, brutish beasts who worship Chaos in all its forms, and who fight to level the civilised world.

This will be the first time ever that the Beastmen have had their own, completely stand-alone, army list. The forthcoming Warhammer Armies: Beastmen is full of twisted monsters old and new, and an all-new lore of magic. The Beastmen are the original inhabitants of the Old World: in February 2010 they come to reclaim it from the hands of Men.




new lore then...good...

...errr...they are ? Not what I thought/have read.



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:01:16


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote:Hmm.. well you know how codex : Chaos Space Marine focused entirely on them rather than any/all variants thereof...

..I'm saying the title : Warhammer : Beastmen is perhaps a similar approach to this, so the focus is on the Beastmen as opposed to "Beasts of chaos" in general. So..the removal of some of the monsters and non beastman elements in the army does seem more likely.

Hence, perhaps why we get the razorgor-- as those creatures "hang" with beastmen and are part of their society in a similar fashion as squigs do with orcs-- and not the rumoured Gorgon or non Beastman related beasties.

I'd prefer there to still have monsters etc in there still, I just don't think it looks very likely.


Comparing it to the Chaos: Space Marine Codex doesn't get me in a hopeful mood...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
reds8n wrote:Hmm.. well you know how codex : Chaos Space Marine focused entirely on them rather than any/all variants thereof...

..I'm saying the title : Warhammer : Beastmen is perhaps a similar approach to this, so the focus is on the Beastmen as opposed to "Beasts of chaos" in general. So..the removal of some of the monsters and non beastman elements in the army does seem more likely.

Hence, perhaps why we get the razorgor-- as those creatures "hang" with beastmen and are part of their society in a similar fashion as squigs do with orcs-- and not the rumoured Gorgon or non Beastman related beasties.

I'd prefer there to still have monsters etc in there still, I just don't think it looks very likely.


How very David Attenborough...

Like I said, far too ordered and segmented for me, not like Chaos as we were presented it before.


Too too MGS, too true.

Looks like Chaos is continuing down the path of blandifcation.

I look forward to the Designers notes for the Chaos Army (unified!) book for 9th edition WFB, when they talk about how unnatural it was to rigidly separate the 3 branches of Chaos...



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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Maybe if the gorgon is coming back (and I remember the superb Ackland picture in WHFB 3rd Ed) then perhaps...just perhaps, the Jabberwocky might make a comeback.


Ah well, I can dream!


Now THAT would be awesome, and would totally (well, almost totally!) make up for the inability to take Dragon Ogres and Trolls. And giants?

Of course, the potential to screw up that particular model is almost off the scale, so...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:09:45


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


reds8n wrote:
Incoming! Beastmen

This will be the first time ever that the Beastmen have had their own, completely stand-alone, army list. The forthcoming Warhammer Armies: Beastmen is full of twisted monsters old and new, and an all-new lore of magic. The Beastmen are the original inhabitants of the Old World: in February 2010 they come to reclaim it from the hands of Men.


...errr...they are ? Not what I thought/have read.



So gw are telling us there were beastmen before elves and dwarves and treemen...which were all thousands of years before men...from which beastmen are supposed to be mutated from...???

...the feck?

I sense FLUFFWARPAGE!!! I HATE FLUFFWARPAGE!!!!!!1!



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:23:09


Post by: NAVARRO


As long as they make superb minotaurs then I'm happy... and by superb I mean something like avatars of war new minotaur...

nice pic there


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:30:22


Post by: Hawkins


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Indeed, I hope they get minotaurs right this time, some mindbogglingly ugly models for them atm.
.

Absolutely agree. The only good Minataur was the BB one.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:43:21


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


I would be a happy chappy if they could make them more like this guy by Allen Carrasco:





Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:45:21


Post by: NAVARRO


Funny I was looking to buy one of those, its from Illyad right? Anyone knows were can I get one?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 15:51:03


Post by: Hawkins


Agreed, but we all know that aint never gonna happen. the one on the book cover looks like its gonna be more of a failure than the last incarnations.
infact most monsters (aside from the vargulf IMO) have been total letdowns of late, rat ogres, spawns, beast of nurgle, for example. seems the sculpting noids cant work on a medium sized model without fracking it. (or could that be a secret part of the process?)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 17:09:44


Post by: Alpharius


Hawkins wrote:Agreed, but we all know that aint never gonna happen. the one on the book cover looks like its gonna be more of a failure than the last incarnations.
infact most monsters (aside from the vargulf IMO) have been total letdowns of late, rat ogres, spawns, beast of nurgle, for example. seems the sculpting noids cant work on a medium sized model without fracking it. (or could that be a secret part of the process?)


Too true!

There have been some hits (new High Elf Plastic Dragon), some misses (the ones you mentioned!) and some in-between (plastic Giant -overall OK, but the bloated gut and the pants?)...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 17:55:17


Post by: Kirasu


Nah the giant is just a British metaphor for how they view americans


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 20:57:42


Post by: Alpharius


Huh?

I pretty sure you're joking, but either way:

1) It isn't funny!
2) I doubt it!
3) Fans of big scary monsters are in for a letdown!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 21:07:09


Post by: LunaHound



2 Questions:

1) Why are all beastman goat / cow headed? why not lion / wolf or other animals?

2) The lack of fur makes them look like they are chaos marauder / ogre kingdom with a head swap ,
what exactly are they fluff wise? are they sudden chaos mutated or are they born as beastman?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 21:07:28


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It's a book cover. Not the book contents.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel Win-Stan!

(though in case anyone wonders, I know nothing more than anyone else on Dakka! Just stating that trying to guess content from a cover illustration is most likely an exercise in futility)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 22:35:53


Post by: Angron


When did beastmen start shaving their chests?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 22:40:10


Post by: Kid_Kyoto




As I said in the other thread this is just a terrible cover.

The lead figure looks like a man in a mask and furry pants.

The spiked belt buckle makes him look like he's been impaled.

And the green blur to suggest a forest is lazy.

Honestly one of the worst covers I've seen from GW.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 22:55:20


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Yeah, what is he going to do, "belly bump" you?




Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 22:58:04


Post by: Hawkins


Luna: there were a long time ago, but for some reason they stoped doing alternative animal heads.

on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 23:05:34


Post by: Platuan4th


Hawkins wrote:on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.


It's acceptable because people STILL do it for real today. That's not something GW made up themselves, several cultures throughout history practiced skin piercings like that.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/14 23:18:53


Post by: Hawkins


Its something they adapted to the minis, though, sorry i dont like it, and think its silly whatever the reason.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:14:47


Post by: Kirasu


Are these beastmen or guys at some kind of BDSM costume festival? Cause I dont really see the "beast" part


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:26:58


Post by: H.B.M.C.


They don't look like Beastmen. They look like people wearing fancy helmets, and that's a problem.

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:29:31


Post by: LunaHound


H.B.M.C. wrote:They don't look like Beastmen. They look like people wearing fancy helmets, and that's a problem.

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?


They are the baphomet!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:29:32


Post by: Orkeosaurus


The models have the fur going into their back more; it looks better. Like they're actually fused with the goats.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:30:33


Post by: Schepp himself


As far as I know (maybe my knowledge is a bit blurry/"revised", coming from 4th edition after all) Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.

Greets
Schepp himself


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:38:09


Post by: Orkeosaurus


You know, the more I look at the Gor in the middle, the more I dislike him. His head's too small, his horns are too big, his belly plate/spike is stupid, his axe looks wonky in the perspective, his head doesn't blend into his body enough, his helmet spike is dumb...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:52:49


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Platuan4th wrote:
Hawkins wrote:on the cover, : does any one else hate the self mutalation from the horn going thru the skin on the wargor?, i mean it was already done in ogre kingdoms and it was stupid then, i dont see why it should be acceptable now. Again, another case of GW needing outside input.


It's acceptable because people STILL do it for real today. That's not something GW made up themselves, several cultures throughout history practiced skin piercings like that.


Exactly, that's how I spot the chaos cultists in my neighborhood and target them for 'accidents'.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 00:55:54


Post by: reds8n


H.B.M.C. wrote:

Anyway, what's this nonsense about Beastmen getting their own Codex for the 'First Time'. WTF was 'Beasts of Chaos'?


..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway. People might have liked the idea of interconnected armies that let you mix and match for coolness and so forth..but what the hell do they know !

... right ...?



Yeah, what is he going to do, "belly bump" you?


.. might depend upon the rules set I would hazard as a suggestion ?

Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.


Not quite. Those are... were ? .. refered to as "gaves" or "gavechilds", the rest of the beastmen, especially the Gors.. especially the Bovine Gors..being "pure" blooded and born and reared in the forests/sent by the chaos gods if the plot required it...

..essentially Beastman social status was defined bu the size of ones horns -- useful in the headbutting contests they engaged in by their herdstones-- and/or being marked by the gods. For example Shaman were usually seen as untouchable and favoured by the chaos gods.



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 01:13:02


Post by: cygnnus


Yup. That's a pretty terrible cover. The Beastlord is truly bad. And here's hoping Reds8n is wrong with some of his predictions...

Still, the night's young and things might not be as bad as people are fearing. I have been sitting on a large Beastman army for some time now. I wouldn't mind, too much, if the other Chaos gribblies aren't included in the book as long as it's a viable list since I prefer a beasts-only list. But losing too many options would be a pity.

Vale,

JohnS


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 01:14:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.


But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

All they're really doing is removing 6 units from the book - Spawn, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths and Giants.

Oh well, at least it's yet another example of GW changing horses mid-race. They finally begin to unify the style of the Chaos Army books first with the new Daemons of Chaos, then with Warriors of Chaos. An updated Beasts of Chaos was inevitable to complete the circle (or... triangle...) but no, GW has to change their direction once again.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 01:47:58


Post by: Alpharius


cygnnus wrote:Yup. That's a pretty terrible cover. The Beastlord is truly bad. And here's hoping Reds8n is wrong with some of his predictions...


Live in hope, die in vain!

H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.


But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?


Dragon Ogres, Trolls and Giants ARE available to a Mortals of Chaos army, aren't they?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 01:49:47


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.


But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

All they're really doing is removing 6 units from the book - Spawn, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths and Giants.

Oh well, at least it's yet another example of GW changing horses mid-race. They finally begin to unify the style of the Chaos Army books first with the new Daemons of Chaos, then with Warriors of Chaos. An updated Beasts of Chaos was inevitable to complete the circle (or... triangle...) but no, GW has to change their direction once again.


I think he's talking about the old book allowing demon and morals to be included. Or not.

Reds8n speaks in riddles.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 02:27:22


Post by: Sidstyler


Its something they adapted to the minis, though, sorry i dont like it, and think its silly whatever the reason.


And you know, those people probably think grown men playing with little plastic toys (that you have to paint yourself) is silly, too.

I quite like it, I think it makes a lot of sense seeing as how the beastmen come off as being a savage, tribal race and all, and being Chaos worshippers the self-mutilation fits in quite well I'd say. I like it too for the psychological effect, it makes you think "Holy gak this guy is crazy, he's got bones and horns stuck in him and he's screaming like a madman!" I'd probably run the other way.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 03:10:14


Post by: BrassScorpion


Alpharius wrote:It actually looks as if someone has managed to sneak around the back and managed to back stab him to such epic proportions that the sword has come out through the belly!
Clearly, he'll have to lead from the front rank from now on.

I think the Beastman is using that huge spiked armor plate around his belly to compensate for his inadequacy in other areas. No wonder they are so angry and savage.

I'm still sitting on the boxed army from the last Beasts of Chaos release plus some additional items for it. I wonder if I'll finally find time to paint them after they get their new army book.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 04:00:31


Post by: Sidstyler


Alright, I gotta admit, I'm no fan of the belly sword, either. I can see if you're trying to put a bit of distance between you and an opponent, but all it would really do is hinder your own movement. That and the idea of actually using it as a weapon is pretty fething silly...imagine a big goatman thrusting his gut into people, lmao.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 04:10:39


Post by: Tim the Biovore


If you pay attention to what he is doing, he seems to be striking that all too often pose of a psycho maniac who gets killed really quick.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 04:15:48


Post by: Sidstyler


Tim the Biovore wrote:If you pay attention to what he is doing, he seems to be striking that all too often pose of a psycho maniac who gets killed really quick.


I know, I was thinking about that when I wrote my post about the psychological effect. "RAAAAGH I'M fething CRAZY, YOU BETTER RUN melon-fether! *cuts his own chest with his sword while making pelvic thrusts*"


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 04:29:36


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Now you've made him remind me of the Devil in Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 06:41:45


Post by: Ygds


Well I for one like the cover. The "blurr" of green in thebackground looks very fitting, makes it seem like your running away from them, and somewhat chaotic. While having body hair is traditional for such things I like the semi hairless thing. As I recall beastmen are jealous of human aesthetics, so it may be representative of an attempt to look more human, Though it is a pathetic one, as they also tend towards other so-called barbaric or tribal (I know the two words are not equivalent in this day and age) practices, like the skin piercing. I have to say I love the blade plate. It looks both cumbersome and impressive, something that I think protrays the beastmen very well, He is saying, "I am bigger than you and I have this thing here to prove it" (although it is not hard to notice when someone is bigger than you. But while impractical for a human, it many be entirely practical for a huge beastman. Looking at his anatomy it seems the plate sword is probably very effective at killing things he it trampling. I could imagine that beastlord, charging and mowing down people with his axe , and others reaching up after getting head butted only to be run through with that device. I would not put it passed beastmen to use semi-phallic symbolism in their garb, while maybe not family friendly, it would show a patriarchial and heirarchical society that is extremely shovenistic, very beastman to me. I mean I have not even heard of beastman females or beastwomen, though this does not mean they do not exist, though i bet a cow or sheep does just as well (ewww). So if one visualizes it as an impractical and shovenistic phallic symbol, I would agree and count it as a positive and a good direction for the art. So long as it does not get out of hand, I do not want to see......that kind of stuff everywhere. But I love the minotaur in the back alot, and I hope the new models for the minotaurs are similar. I love the helmets, they seem designed by beastmen for beastmen, something that does not match fluff, but I think is very fitting. They need more of a culture, rather than just being a feral branch of chaos. They also look more intelligent in this art, I think that lends itself well to them, having such cunning. I hope the new models look more menacing, the current ones ( if they change the beastman box set) just look kind of bored not ready to tear things apart. I hope they have a more primal edge but one that is somewhat suppressed by their human side, kind of a mix between mournfulness and manic bloodlust. I would like to see them hunched, growling, and their leaders to be raving lunatics and all of them ready to gor themselves and chew on their own internal organs if they do not reach battle soon (of course some acceptions like Khazrack the one-eye, spelled that wrong). I see where the artist is going, it is not meant to please people, I can see that, but the cover does look like an honest heartfelt attempt to portray this developing (non-existant) culture in all of it's characteristics.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Hey just spotted this, I don't know if you saw it andI don't want to be indecent but that gut sword is for sure a phallic symbol. The two hairy heads hanging on his waist, are well, you get it, their right below the gut sword, that beastlord rules by his own might that is for sure. He is either compensating as already mentioned or he really is THE beastman.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 06:58:57


Post by: Jive Professor


I actually like the cover. Then again, I see them as more corrupted fawn-type creatures, so normal torso with furry goat legs and goat heads seems fitting to me.

Definitely interested in seeing the new plastic minotaurs. If they are really cool like Ogres, I think this army will look great on the table.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 07:13:10


Post by: Ygds


Ok well i did some more careful reading of the posts and found that most noticed the very masculine nature of the gut blade and hairy heads. I just hope GW noticed, I think they are trying to be family friendly to the international audience but stuff like that has also evaded disney.

Anyway some people seem angry about a fluff change. I for one like it. To make beastmen older than woodelves would be fantastic, because it is a rejection of the archetype made popular and standard since Lord of the rings. It also sounds like Chaos may be removed from their fluff to some degree, which I like. I hate the good and evil dynamic no matter how you cover it up. Chaos and Order are usually just different names for Evil and Good respectively (40k however does have some acceptions). I would like to see them as a savage and bloodthirsty race but not one without motive. Motive donates purpose and purpose lends culture and development. I have read the current beasts of chaos book and i am a little bit disappointed with the lack of dimensionality in the beastmen. If they have more than one dimension as a people (of course their heroes and herdstones have very nice touches) then they will have more appeal. For instance I love the 40k daemons because I can sympathize with them. They are pure creatures who do what they are meant to do. i am sympathetic to the Chaos forces in 40k because they are free thinkers, they choose their own master, rather than are forced to serve one. I am starting a beastman army as soon as they come out, and would love for their fluff to be rich and something I can sympathize with, makes me get into the game more.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 07:42:17


Post by: Sidstyler


Ygds wrote:
Hey just spotted this, I don't know if you saw it andI don't want to be indecent but that gut sword is for sure a phallic symbol. The two hairy heads hanging on his waist, are well, you get it, their right below the gut sword, that beastlord rules by his own might that is for sure. He is either compensating as already mentioned or he really is THE beastman.


...*facepalm* wow...never noticed that before. With the heads...

It just makes my joke about the thrusting even more hilarious, imagine those things dangling around while he does it.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 08:52:13


Post by: dogma


And you laughed when I called it a penis plate.

Next you'll be telling me that Magnus The Red was a vaginal allegory.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 10:16:11


Post by: Hawkins


Sidstyler wrote:Alright, I gotta admit, I'm no fan of the belly sword, either. I can see if you're trying to put a bit of distance between you and an opponent, but all it would really do is hinder your own movement. That and the idea of actually using it as a weapon is pretty fething silly...imagine a big goatman thrusting his gut into people, lmao.

Allow me:

Gaotman Brayed his loudest as he and his heard raced on cloven hoves towards the imperial line of halbadiers.
With a impact fit to crush stone, the two lines met in a deafining roar of steal and screams. Goatman, Head down bulled into an imperial halbadier horns and the blade on his helmet thrusting deep into the fleash of his foe. With a Wrench of his head the red and purple of the soldiers clothing ripped apart in a spray of gore as momentum carried the beastman further into the lines of the Enemy with his heard, Now came the momment all beastmen longed for deep down in their corrupted souls. As the men of the imperium broke, Goat man spied a likely target and Screamed to his brothers in the toungue of the beast 'DOG PILE!' He was already in the air as he screamed Arms outstreched, back arched, his Heard brothers only a few feet behind. *Squash* The impact and gyrations of Warband reduced the Soldier to nothing more than a pulp. Goatman dry humped the corpse with his long steal blade, the two severed heads between his legs knocking together. For a time there was nothing to hear but the beastmen at play, till from under the pile A small voice could be heard just on the edge of hearing. 'Ger off'! Goatman screamed. and his brothers hastily obrayed. Onehorn, an old goat whom long ago had lost an eye as well as a horn, began to snigger, as he always did when the he saw his bands leader as he was now. Goatman, belly blade bent, was huched over in excritiating pain as the peicings on his chest made of thich bone were plucked out one after another, blood and filth oozing out behind. 'Onehorn Chucked 'I told you those peircing were silly, Damn fool thing for any idiot to try.'


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 10:46:52


Post by: Saintspirit


I like how it looks. It look beastie. The thing i really hope they will keep, is that a wargor of tzeentch will remain as also a wizard... but that will be lost, no?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 11:56:52


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Sidstyler wrote:
Ygds wrote:
Hey just spotted this, I don't know if you saw it andI don't want to be indecent but that gut sword is for sure a phallic symbol. The two hairy heads hanging on his waist, are well, you get it, their right below the gut sword, that beastlord rules by his own might that is for sure. He is either compensating as already mentioned or he really is THE beastman.


...*facepalm* wow...never noticed that before. With the heads...

It just makes my joke about the thrusting even more hilarious, imagine those things dangling around while he does it.


That must be why they are there. What better way to distract your enemy than two heads dangling below a belly blade?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 12:11:35


Post by: reds8n


Kid_Kyoto wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..initially anyway.


But all they had 'sides Beastman units were Ogres, Trolls and Dragon Ogres. Won't that mean that once this Army Book hits, Dragon Ogres won't be available to any army? I mean, should we expect Codex: Dragon Ogre Kingdoms to come next?

All they're really doing is removing 6 units from the book - Spawn, Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Shaggoths and Giants.

Oh well, at least it's yet another example of GW changing horses mid-race. They finally begin to unify the style of the Chaos Army books first with the new Daemons of Chaos, then with Warriors of Chaos. An updated Beasts of Chaos was inevitable to complete the circle (or... triangle...) but no, GW has to change their direction once again.


I think he's talking about the old book allowing demon and morals to be included. Or not.


Correct. morTals though ..oh Dr. Freud where art thou now ?

Reds8n speaks in riddles.


When seeking the truth the truth must first find you !


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 13:51:17


Post by: Sidstyler


The wise man knows that he is weakest when he thinks himself strong!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 16:20:00


Post by: Llamahead


So chances are no Mortal/Cultist units in the army thats a shame should be good anyway. Lets hoping they get something to deal with a Star Dragon!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 16:24:54


Post by: Saintspirit


Hmm, what would that be? Perhaps a dragon mutation? Or a big-as-the-Spacewolfs-wolf bear?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/15 17:34:40


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Or a minotaur lord heart of woe tac-nuke...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 12:32:58


Post by: reds8n


Llamahead wrote:So chances are no Mortal/Cultist units in the army thats a shame should be good anyway.


Afraid not.

Bestigor are priced in a/the same manner as Golds...err Greatswords, are indeed 10 per box.

Placcy minotaurs are 3 to a box, lots of options including 2 handed weapons and shields as well.

Razorgor is gakker than you'd believe possible, modelwise anyway.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 12:38:28


Post by: NAVARRO


reds8n wrote:

Placcy minotaurs are 3 to a box, lots of options including 2 handed weapons and shields as well.

.


Man Im really curious about these... Hope its a hit and not a miss but with GW you have 50/50 chance.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 12:50:11


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


reds8n wrote:
Bestigor are priced in a/the same manner as Golds...err Greatswords, are indeed 10 per box.

Razorgor is gakker than you'd believe possible, modelwise anyway.


Aha, greed and gak models.

The mutant boar things that pull the chariots are bad enough... razorgor is one of those covered in spikes perhaps?

I can believe quite a lot of gak possible from this and eagerly await laughing at it, as I laughed at the space wolf giant shitzu rider model.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 14:06:09


Post by: Jin


reds8n wrote:
Bestigor are priced in a/the same manner as Golds...err Greatswords, are indeed 10 per box.

Placcy minotaurs are 3 to a box, lots of options including 2 handed weapons and shields as well.

Razorgor is gakker than you'd believe possible, modelwise anyway.


That's a shame about the bestigor pricing.

Hard to imagine Beastmen models that are _worse_ than the current minotaurs, but I wouldn't be surprised.

GW is also not having a good track-record lately of naming things well (Why's 'razor' got to be the prefix for everything these days?).


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 14:18:31


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Jin wrote:
GW is also not having a good track-record lately of naming things well (Why's 'razor' got to be the prefix for everything these days?).


Given the really gakky names for the upcoming tyranids, I think GW hired that little oriental shop keeper from tremors, he who came up with the genius name of 'graboids'...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 14:44:59


Post by: Wehrkind


I wonder if the new special rule for the belly blades is "At the end of each battle, roll 1d6 for each unit of 'Gors with belly blades. On a 1, the unit inflicts 2d6 Str3 hits on itself due to congratulatory chest bumping injuries, with armor saves taken as normal."

Also, the smooth chested beastmen look like they are angry due to being kicked out of the Village People. There needs to be one with a leather hat and assless chaps to really complete the cover.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 15:08:52


Post by: gorgon


reds8n wrote:Razorgor is gakker than you'd believe possible, modelwise anyway.


Hmm...I seem to recall Inquisitor Engel on Warseer saying that the new Minotaurs were terrible too.

It's kinda disappointing to think this release isn't getting their best sculptors, etc.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 15:14:30


Post by: Jin


If that's true, then I think I'm gonna stay away from the army yet again. Shame - the conceptual aesthetics are great.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 15:15:52


Post by: BrassScorpion


If the new Bestigor are $41.25 US for 10 I guess I'll stick with the metal ones I got at the last GW dented box sale back in early 2004 for about $10 per box.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 15:16:34


Post by: reds8n


It all looks very subpar when compared to the recent lovely Skaven models.

As for the cowmen...hmm.... a LOT better than the Razorgor, but not great. So far..when we get to see better pics from different angles maybe they'll look better. Here's hoping !


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 16:05:50


Post by: Alpharius


The more we hear about this release, the worse it sounds!

The old models might fetch quite a bit though, if the rule set is any good.

I am still amazed at some of the models that make it out the door at GW these days...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 16:30:46


Post by: xenite


BrassScorpion wrote:Minotaurs are based on the monster of classical Greek mythology, Asterius, called the Minotaur, slain by Theseus. That Minotaur was a man with the head of a bull. Man with the head of a bull = Minotaur. Bull with the head of a bull = bull.


Did you seriously just RAW miniature design? Man.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/16 17:11:42


Post by: The good Uruk


There is a little thing on the gw website which shows the the book and when there coming but thats all.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 00:58:15


Post by: lasgunpacker


It just occured to me that a simple solution to the "slanngor/Tzengor/etc" problem is to eliminate marked units, and just have bestigors... which also is in keeping with the blurb about the beastmen following chaos undivided.

I think this will be another version of Beastmen which I ignore.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 01:27:51


Post by: Ygds


I don't know. I really want this to be my first warhammer fantasy army, but I cannot stand crappy models. however I was underwhelmed at first with the plaguebearer models sold by GW. But it soon became clear once I bought some that their real disadvantage is their paint job in most photos. Though I am no great painter I liked my paint job much more than the one they had. The models themselves are awesome, they just needed a more personal touch. The beastmen, I hope will have well done models. And as far as Gakk level (I just learned this word from you guys never heard it before now hope i got the right meaning) I love the tuskgor chariot models myself and am sure once again I could paint them better (well not better as in better quality better as in pallate). The current minotaurs are horrible in my opinion, their teeth look cumbersome and their heads overwhelm the rest of the model. I was able to through together more proportionate models in plastesine when I was 11. I think i made a minotaur once. If I could only master greenstuff the way I mastered plastesine, there would be none of this $700.00 later stuff, I would build everything from scratch and would not now be holding out for the models. Such a great army concept, they just need something worthy of it. But if the models look like something from a very old dungeons and dragons book then count me out.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 01:31:18


Post by: VermGho5t


lasgunpacker wrote:It just occured to me that a simple solution to the "slanngor/Tzengor/etc" problem is to eliminate marked units, and just have bestigors... which also is in keeping with the blurb about the beastmen following chaos undivided.

I think this will be another version of Beastmen which I ignore.


Wow this really disappoints me if it's true. I just started an escalation league too with the intention of running Beastmen with their current codex. At least I'll be able to experience what they were like as I plan on running some mortals/exalted deamon/daemon legions.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 02:48:54


Post by: Cryonicleech


If they gave the pinkish Beast some fur (not a lot, damn furries) I think they'd add to the intimidation factor.

Hell, while I'm at it, might as well give him some armor.

I think when they say "Beastmen are the first race" They mean the first race to fully succumb to Chaos (Barring Dragon Ogres, methinks). Sure, you have Chaos Mortals, but it seems like Beastmen would have come first (Seeing as they were created during the opening (closing?) of the polar Gates, or whatnot)

I hope they don't remove the Giant/Dragon Ogres/Chaos Trolls etc. They're kinda the Heavy hitters of the current Beast list, and Chaos isn't chaos without them (Barring Daemons of Chaos)



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 04:40:04


Post by: skrulnik


Am I the only one who has seen "Time Bandits"?

I see that cover and I see the Minotaur scene from that movie.
http://www.videodetective.com/photos/008/000037_46.jpg
The one with Sean Connery as Agamemnon.

The cover is horrible. All you get a glimpse of is Beastmen and a Minotaur.
There isn't enough there without the more colorful beasts to make it interesting.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 06:05:18


Post by: Railguns


The secret is that there aren't any more colorful beasts. Every cover at least alludes to the sort of characteristic units that the book has for the army. Here, there are only beastmen and minotaurs, because there will be no other units.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 06:07:29


Post by: Shadowbrand


I saw the art for the army book. It looked impressive to say the least.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 10:10:02


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Word of advice to GW; Stop making all possiblly good armies gak.

As for the Ogre Shaggoths, I thought that they were not Chaos, just really old and violent.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 10:26:51


Post by: Schepp himself


The Shaggoths ain't chaos, they just sold their souls to the big four. Shame that they are supposed to get dropped.

Greets
Schepp himself


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 10:31:20


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Oh, OK.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 11:13:03


Post by: Avach


Well for me Il wait and see what they do to beast of chaos, and if It is not to my liking then Il go with Skaven instead as they really cool new models...

over and out avach


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over and out avach


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 11:19:05


Post by: cygnnus


skrulnik wrote:Am I the only one who has seen "Time Bandits"?

I see that cover and I see the Minotaur scene from that movie.
http://www.videodetective.com/photos/008/000037_46.jpg
The one with Sean Connery as Agamemnon.

The cover is horrible. All you get a glimpse of is Beastmen and a Minotaur.
There isn't enough there without the more colorful beasts to make it interesting.


Nope. I was thinking the exact same thing!

Vale,

JohnS


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 12:12:15


Post by: Teh_K42


Schepp himself wrote:As far as I know (maybe my knowledge is a bit blurry/"revised", coming from 4th edition after all) Beastmen are mutated bastardchildren of men that are thrown into the wilderness. In some parts these mutations seem to happen quite often, so you see quite a load of beastmen there.


Ah, yes. In fact I happen to recall that the hideous Sheepmen are frequently found in the region of Zew Nealand as a result of the unholy unions between man and sheep that occur there.










Sorry.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 12:15:36


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Oh, that is so wrong!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 17:02:43


Post by: Frazzled


any more rumors on the actual rules?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 18:27:34


Post by: reds8n


I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 18:33:41


Post by: Platuan4th


reds8n wrote: I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.


So, what you're implying is that this is essentially going to be a Skirmishing O&G book sans Fanatics, Squigs, and the warmachines?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 20:50:07


Post by: Alpharius


...and apparently sans a lot of the nice chaotic monsters but with a lot of models that are, according to many, rather pants.

Awesome!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/17 21:53:30


Post by: Ozymandias


reds8n wrote: I am quite surprised that the Ungors on the front cover don't have bows, you'd think they'd maybe make a bigger deal out of this for this book.


You're so catty.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 10:10:36


Post by: reds8n


The very reliable Mr. Hastings posted the following over on The Herdstone site

Hi guys, thought I should stop by here as you are the premier site for Beasts and answer any questions you may have on the upcoming beasts, or at least try and post some subtle hints if I can't answer them directly.

I'll start off by saying that the Gor & Ungor plastic boxes are not bad, I think that came across quite badly on my post on Warseer, they are just too alike the existing kits to be of any real note.

Gors have some new poses, some new weapons (not options - just different weapons - i.e. maces) and shields.

Ungors are a little different to the existing models, they have some different heads (one or two I'm not too keen on - especially what I am assuming is the Ungor unit Champion head) they still come with options for spears, shields, hand weapons but now come with short bows.

As a bit of an exclusive (as well as to show I am really me and not someone using the same user name) for you guys, I'll be happy to tell you that there is a Shaman named special character called "Malagor the Dark Omen" and a Centigor special character called "Ghorros Warhoof", sadly neither model is great.



Ungors (new ones) come with 20mm bases, I'm really hoping that there is still an option to have a mixed herd if not looks like I'll be having to remove my current Ungors from their current bases, which frankly is a pain in the arse but not unheard of.

The new gors come with hand weapons, there is no option for halberds on the sprue so I'm guessing there won't be that option in the book either. Perhaps some conversions would be in order so you could still use the old ones.

There appear to be no "vanilla" characters in the first wave of releases, which is a bit dissapointing as I would have really liked a couple of new shaman minis. The centigor character Ghorros is quite plain, he is slightly rearing has a horn on his right side and is armed with a club with a couple of spikes through it, he also has hooves which I thought was unusual as the other centigor have clawed feet, however as his name contains "hoof" I guess it would have been odd if he had claws. A nice touch on the character is the head, he appears to be wearing the skull of a unicorn pushed down over his horns, and for me it's the only real high point of the model. I would recommend buying the Mordheim centigor and doing a headswap as a basis for a centigor character (if indeed the book has that as a hero choice).

I'm really looking forward to the book most of all, as we've all read the rumours about the loss of Chaos Trolls, Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres & Shaggoths, so they'll need to add some new units other than the Razorgor to flesh the list out.



and a snippet thanks to Mr. Lorizael from 40k online

That is one of the "new" Gors, as you can see pretty much (is ?) identical to the curent ones.



[Thumb - beastman1.jpg]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 12:29:34


Post by: Alpharius


Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 12:50:16


Post by: jullevi


Alpharius wrote:Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?


They were supposed to retain the same style. Since Herd boxes are splitting, they needed to sculpt 7 new Gor bodies and 8 new Ungors. While they are doing it, they might as well add other new bits into mix and tweak the old ones. On the beastman shown above, all bits are very similar to old ones but appear to be new ones. The body and weapon arms are definitely new bits and the banner is the old bit modified with new banner top added.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 13:10:17


Post by: Flashman


"New" ideas are not GW's strong point, especially with regards to naming new troop types (Plague Furnace aside). Razor seems to be a popular prefix of theirs in recent years... Razordon, Razorgor. Is there a Razorthrope in the new Tyranids Codex?

That said, I did want them to expand on the Beastmen theme rather than just chucking in the same Chaos Monsters again, so I shouldn't complain too much.

EDIT - Bit odd that the Beastmen Regiment (with mixed Gors/Ungors) is still for sale on the website.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 14:01:56


Post by: Hawkins


the one thing im really hoping for from the gors and ungor box is the same conpatibility we had with the old heads. you could prety much put them on anything. And i had a blast converting with them. Any idea of the frame make up? seperate heads etc?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 14:42:33


Post by: gorgon


Well, different base sizes pretty much confirms the herds are getting split. It'll be kind of a pain switching bases for my assembled Ungor. But at least they aren't finished, painted models.

Mr. Hastings' "sketch" of the Razorgor is equal parts hilarious and facepalm. Hey, maybe that means all the good sculptors were hard at work on Tyranids!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 14:51:35


Post by: reds8n


The Gor and Ungor heads are integral to their new sprues, the Gor models are 99% identical to the old/current ones, just moved around a bit. Heads are still 2 parts with the horns separate for the Gors.

@ Mr. Gorgon...indeed, we can but hope.

..Trygon looks lovely


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 15:06:27


Post by: His Master's Voice


Alpharius wrote:Meet the new Gor, same as the old Gor?


I'm glad they aren't touching the Gors, the quality could only go down.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 15:32:26


Post by: BrassScorpion


gorgon wrote:Well, different base sizes pretty much confirms the herds are getting split. It'll be kind of a pain switching bases for my assembled Ungor. But at least they aren't finished, painted models.

Huzzah! I've found a reason why it's a good thing I haven't found time to assemble and paint the Beasts of Chaos box army I bought when it was first released years ago. Occasionally, having a large modeling backlog and taking years to get to certain models pays off. If I can get to them in 2010 I can base the army and build it based on the newer Army Book.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 17:59:10


Post by: Platuan4th


Different base sizes just further makes me think Beastmen are going to be somat like Chaos worshipping Orcs this time around.

Sans the fun, crazzy stuff that makes O&G fun.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 21:22:34


Post by: gorgon


@reds8n: I already have a FW Trygon, so I'm more psyched about the other stuff. Hopefully the Hive Guard don't end up looking like Lion King characters too.

@BrassScorpion: My Beasts "army" is small and only partially assembled. It's been a long-term, build-it-on-the-cheap project. Fortunately what I have is all "beastman" stuff and not "monster" stuff, which seems to be going extinct in the new army book. So some base swaps aren't a big deal, and nothing I should really complain about.

@Platuan4th: You're not the only one saying that. I'm kinda hoping Ambush becomes more of a differentiator...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/18 23:21:06


Post by: Ozymandias


Platuan4th wrote:Different base sizes just further makes me think Beastmen are going to be somat like Chaos worshipping Orcs this time around.

Sans the fun, crazzy stuff that makes O&G fun.


Nah, they won't have any warmachines.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 00:09:30


Post by: JohnHwangDD


reds8n wrote: ..as stated earlier : this is the Beastmen 's first "codex"..as previously they shared it with the other chaos beastsnotmen and other chaos units..

So you're presaging a 4th WFB "Chaos Family" book for "Monsters of Chaos"?

IIRC:

G1. Chaos
- Beasts
- Mortals

G2. Mortals
- Daemons
- Warriors

G3. Beasts
- Beastmen
- Monsters

So the ultimate lineup is:
- Daemons of Chaos
- Warriors of Chaos
- Beastmen (of Chaos)
- Monster (of Chaos)

Yes?




Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 00:12:38


Post by: Flashman


Lol, this is GW, don't discount the possibility...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 00:12:44


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Alpharius wrote:The old models might fetch quite a bit though, if the rule set is any good.

*cough* Juan Diaz' Daemonettes of Slannesh *cough*


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 01:09:44


Post by: Alpharius


JohnHwangDD wrote:
So the ultimate lineup is:
- Daemons of Chaos
- Warriors of Chaos
- Beastmen (of Chaos)
- Monster (of Chaos)

Yes?


Mortals of Chaos is already pretty much Monsters of Chaos, isn't it?

(And really, Razorgor?)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 03:32:35


Post by: BossGlefang


I really hope Centigors become plastic. That would make my day complete.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 05:49:11


Post by: bigchris1313


I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 08:37:47


Post by: reds8n


BossGlefang wrote:I really hope Centigors become plastic. That would make my day complete.


It's not happening with this release, at least not initially anyway.Long term..who knows, but it's the same metal models as currently for the moment.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 08:56:12


Post by: Flashman


bigchris1313 wrote:I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...


These kind of threads always descend into wishlists/GW bashing after page 2


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 13:36:00


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Alpharius wrote:(And really, Razorgor?)


I see your Razorgor and raise you a Toxathrope!!!

bigchris1313 wrote:I find myself checking this thread a few times per day, and since about page 2, I've yet to find much of anything useful...


Personally I blame Jervis.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 13:46:31


Post by: Frazzled


Redy check your PM


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 13:49:11


Post by: MinMax


Alpharius wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
So the ultimate lineup is:
- Daemons of Chaos
- Warriors of Chaos
- Beastmen (of Chaos)
- Monster (of Chaos)

Yes?


Mortals of Chaos is already pretty much Monsters of Chaos, isn't it?

(And really, Razorgor?)


It's half Monsters of Chaos, half Warriors of Chaos.

(Pyrovore!)

I had considered picking up a Beasts of Chaos (Sorry, Beastmen) army for a little while now. That impulse has thankfully passed with these rumours.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/11/19 14:33:59


Post by: BrassScorpion


These kind of threads always descend into wishlists/GW bashing after page 2

You can say that again. Always is normally a pretty extreme term, but in this case I think it applies. These kind of threads do always descend into wishlists and GW bashing.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/01 17:01:44


Post by: Mattbranb


So besides plastic minotaurs, more expensive gors/ungors, seperate beast lore, ranking 5 wide, doombull with mutations similar to vamp powers and a gorgon, does anyone have any other word on the book or are folks just posting to increase the size of the thread?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/01 19:36:35


Post by: bigchris1313


Mattbranb wrote:So besides plastic minotaurs, more expensive gors/ungors, seperate beast lore, ranking 5 wide, doombull with mutations similar to vamp powers and a gorgon, does anyone have any other word on the book?

Yes. Anyone thinking about fielding Beast Herds come February and not interested in a 67% price increase should probably consider picking up a few boxes sooner than later, given the certainty that GW will eventually pull the old boxes in anticipation of the new.

Mattbranb wrote:Or are folks just posting to increase the size of the thread?

That and their own post counts.



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/14 20:33:31


Post by: colonnello


Im hoping that the beasts of chaos will look good because I am not too keen on the current Beasts of Chaos. Also apparently the New gamesday model was supposed to be a beasts of chaos model but it look too weedy for beasts of chaos so they made it the new Gamesday model???


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 09:02:43


Post by: reds8n


The Gor and Ungor models are prety much identical to the current ones, perhaps some slight alterations to the legs and stance I think.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 09:09:51


Post by: LunaHound


reds8n wrote: The Gor and Ungor models are prety much identical to the current ones, perhaps some slight alterations to the legs and stance I think.

Is it a safe bet they'll finally get a battalion? thus i should wait and not purchase the gor / ungor ?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 14:42:40


Post by: BrassScorpion


Is it a safe bet they'll finally get a battalion? thus i should wait and not purchase the gor / ungor ?

That's a tough call. The Battalion will have a price break on it over buying what's in it separately, but the price of what's in it will be higher than the models are currently which will eat into your savings just a little. This happened with the Imperial Guard last spring. The troop boxes went from $35 for 20 to $22 for 10 models. If you waited to buy the Battleforce it was cheaper than buying what's in it separately whether or not you snatched up an old box of troops or waited for the Battalion, but the savings were slightly eroded if you compared them to the older troop boxes rather than the new ones. Still, if you really want what's in a Battalion, it's probably a better buy. If you need a lot of troops, you could buy a few current troop boxes and then still buy a Battalion when it's released and have a few more troops plus the newer models that will probably be in it.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 14:47:36


Post by: reds8n


The Battalion will consist of 20 Gor, 10 Ungor, and 10 Bestigor, and costs £55.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 14:48:13


Post by: Empchild


How is that a good deal?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 15:33:05


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote:The Battalion will consist of 20 Gor, 10 Ungor, and 10 Bestigor, and costs £55.


What?!? Really?

Empchild wrote:How is that a good deal?


No kidding!

All signs so far point towards Beastmen getting the "We don't really care/Aren't Really Trying Hard" treatment this time around...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 15:37:21


Post by: reds8n


What?!? Really?


Yes.

..I guess thing to remember is that the Gors and Ungors will normally be in boxes of 10 @ £15 whilst Bestigors will be joining he Empire in regards to having "gold" units £/$ wise.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/15 20:48:33


Post by: bigchris1313


Empchild wrote:How is that a good deal?


Because it forces you to rationally evaluate the cheapest means of obtaining more Gors/Ungors--which of course is to start ordering Beast Herd Boxes this very moment.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/16 03:13:18


Post by: LunaHound


bigchris1313 wrote:
Empchild wrote:How is that a good deal?


Because it forces you to rationally evaluate the cheapest means of obtaining more Gors/Ungors--which of course is to start ordering Beast Herd Boxes this very moment.

Yes , thats what i was thinking already ( its good to plan ahead ! )
Unless Bestigor sculpt is like drooling amazingly , im fine with attaching gor head onto chaos warrior body ><
reds8n wrote:
What?!? Really?


Yes.

..I guess thing to remember is that the Gors and Ungors will normally be in boxes of 10 @ £15 whilst Bestigors will be joining he Empire in regards to having "gold" units £/$ wise.

Ew... GW is dirty if they really do that...
ATM , a box of gor/ungor costs £17.60 for 12 gor and 8 ungor , that means its like Double the price???


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/16 09:33:11


Post by: reds8n


Pretty much. I'd stock up now if you can...

..careful how you base the UNgors though..


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 01:45:57


Post by: LunaHound


reds8n wrote:Pretty much. I'd stock up now if you can...

..careful how you base the UNgors though..

Moar details / explanation please :'o i dont play Beast of Chaos .
Im either in denial or im horribly confused ,
ok they justify skaven storm vermin price compared to metal equivalent.
Why or how are gor / ungor price going up?

So far the other armies with "special units of 10"
£16.65 Vampire Counts Grave Guard
£16.65 Black Orcs
£16.65 Lizardmen Temple Guard
£24.45 Empire Greatswords
£11.75 Dark Elf Black Ark Corsairs

Is there another price hike comming? I cant see a core choice like Gor / Ungors
been more expensive than the Dark Elf Corsairs , and at £15!!! ( Not that i dont believe you but
this sounds rediculous even for GW standards , without a price *adjustment )

Yes im very concerned now ...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 02:05:11


Post by: Alpharius


LunaHound wrote:
reds8n wrote:Pretty much. I'd stock up now if you can...

..careful how you base the UNgors though..

Moar details / explanation please :'o i dont play Beast of Chaos .


Rumor has it that Ungors are going to be on 20mm bases now. Last edition, they were on 25mm, like their big brother Gors were.

I think!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 07:31:39


Post by: LunaHound


Another of GW's test to see how much they can rip us off...

20 Gor
10 Ungor
10 Bestigor,
Add 3 minotaur...
for costs of £55 would be fair -_-


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 07:44:47


Post by: Kanluwen


Erm no.

Moving Ungors to a standard 20mm base makes sense. 25mm bases are for "larger than standard" infantry models, like Chaos Warriors or Orcs.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with ripping you off. It's standardization.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 10:15:32


Post by: LunaHound


Kanluwen wrote:Erm no.

Moving Ungors to a standard 20mm base makes sense. 25mm bases are for "larger than standard" infantry models, like Chaos Warriors or Orcs.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with ripping you off. It's standardization.

Sigh... i can care less about the base size , see the above posts for price change.
Here are the responses:
LunaHound wrote:
reds8n wrote:
What?!? Really?


Yes.

..I guess thing to remember is that the Gors and Ungors will normally be in boxes of 10 @ £15 whilst Bestigors will be joining he Empire in regards to having "gold" units £/$ wise.

Ew... GW is dirty if they really do that...
ATM , a box of gor/ungor costs £17.60 for 12 gor and 8 ungor , that means its like Double the price???

reds8n wrote:Pretty much. I'd stock up now if you can...

..careful how you base the UNgors though..


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 10:19:16


Post by: JOHIRA


Kanluwen wrote:Erm no.

Moving Ungors to a standard 20mm base makes sense. 25mm bases are for "larger than standard" infantry models, like Chaos Warriors or Orcs.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with ripping you off. It's standardization.


Except that it invalidates currently owned/assembled/painted minis. For our convenience!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/17 22:19:55


Post by: bigchris1313


JOHIRA wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Erm no.

Moving Ungors to a standard 20mm base makes sense. 25mm bases are for "larger than standard" infantry models, like Chaos Warriors or Orcs.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with ripping you off. It's standardization.


Except that it invalidates currently owned/assembled/painted minis. For our convenience!


Nothing a sharp blade and a steady hand can't fix.

I'd prefer not to have to switch 20 bases, but it's certainly not the end of the world--particularly for me, as I've yet to even prime my constructed Ungors.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/18 09:33:03


Post by: JOHIRA


bigchris1313 wrote:Nothing a sharp blade and a steady hand can't fix.


Actually, with the way I've based mine, I suspect it will be.

It's not the end of the world, no, but it's one more nail in the coffin of Warhammer Armies: Baby's First Evil Petting Zoo. I started reading these rumours looking forward to finally giving GW money after years of staying away, but the steady stream of signs that they just didn't think the army was worth putting effort into have disappointed me to say the least. Oh well, I guess I'll find some software or booze to buy instead.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/18 18:54:32


Post by: Llamahead


Bugger all that effort modelling scenic 25mm bases for my Ungor wasted! As for the models for characters I'll be breaking out my old Rackham/Avatars of War stuff and looking around at other manufacturers. Like I did for my Chariots.......Vendel Grendel and the rest may well be getting big orders from me. If the Minotaurs are an Ogre priced box I'll get some if not ah well.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 12:41:40


Post by: reds8n


Updated with latest piccies, big shout out to the ever reliable Mr. Hastings from Warseer.


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[Thumb - Doombull.JPG]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 12:47:27


Post by: Llamahead


Is that a rank and file model or a new Doombull?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 12:51:43


Post by: reds8n


Metal doombull.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 13:06:52


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Metal!? Why? Why must they make irt harder to assemble than my old Isengard Troll? WHY?!?!?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 13:08:39


Post by: reds8n


The regular minotaurs are plastic though, I think they should have a horn rather than a drum for thier instrument but there you go.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 13:09:42


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Oh, *cough*, OK then...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 13:13:55


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


He has hooves.

I am impressed. Shame he's not plastic nor has options for the heads or weapons like the old minos had years ago or like we are seeing from Avatars of War minis, but overall, it's a nice sculpt.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 14:24:46


Post by: whitedragon


Wow, finally a nice looking minotaur...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 17:45:00


Post by: Leggy


reds8n wrote:The regular minotaurs are plastic though, I think they should have a horn rather than a drum for thier instrument but there you go.


That'd be like a human unit having a flute made of thighbone!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/26 19:43:20


Post by: His Master's Voice


Well, if I ever finish my minos and get them cast, I doubt I'll have any trouble selling them.

Yes, I don't like the mini at all.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 01:22:28


Post by: JOHIRA


Leggy wrote:
reds8n wrote:The regular minotaurs are plastic though, I think they should have a horn rather than a drum for thier instrument but there you go.


That'd be like a human unit having a flute made of thighbone!


All the more reason for the Beasts of Chaos to have one, then.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 01:37:15


Post by: Mad Monk's Mekshop


His Master's Voice wrote:Well, if I ever finish my minos and get them cast, I doubt I'll have any trouble selling them.

Yes, I don't like the mini at all.


I do...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 05:34:37


Post by: Railguns


He seems to have an issue with his feet. Rather than having hooves, or just feet, he has feet that end in inward curving horns rather than toes. Whether you like the in-between option or not, thats what he seems to have.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 06:36:37


Post by: LunaHound


Aw.. i was hoping that thing was the plastic mino...
If that is the leader model , im not too impressed.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 11:42:03


Post by: JOHIRA


I am not really into minotaurs because I don't know how to make them fit with my current army concept (though I may find a way), but he looks decent enough. A vast improvement on the current minos. The enormous tusks are a bit silly (he can't even bite you with them because they appear to extend further than his jaw is able to open), but I suppose that's nothing a dremmel tool can't solve. And really, every GW leader by rule has to have something stupidly OTT about them (enormous hat, giant flaming pot on the backpack, sword of cartographic proportions, etc). If there is nothing in the new Beastmen range sillier than this (knock wood), I suppose we'll be doing pretty good.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 11:50:58


Post by: LunaHound


JOHIRA wrote:I am not really into minotaurs because I don't know how to make them fit with my current army concept (though I may find a way), but he looks decent enough. A vast improvement on the current minos. The enormous tusks are a bit silly (he can't even bite you with them because they appear to extend further than his jaw is able to open), but I suppose that's nothing a dremmel tool can't solve. And really, every GW leader by rule has to have something stupidly OTT about them (enormous hat, giant flaming pot on the backpack, sword of cartographic proportions, etc). If there is nothing in the new Beastmen range sillier than this (knock wood), I suppose we'll be doing pretty good.

Im going to buy them and use them in Warriors of Chaos army as chaos troll or ogres
( that should work right? )


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 11:58:19


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


LunaHound wrote:
Im going to buy them and use them in Warriors of Chaos army as chaos troll or ogres
( that should work right? )


Yep, sounds very suitable and I've seen it done before.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 12:01:39


Post by: LunaHound


MeanGreenStompa wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Im going to buy them and use them in Warriors of Chaos army as chaos troll or ogres
( that should work right? )


Yep, sounds very suitable and I've seen it done before.

Super , i missed the previous edition where Chaos is mixed of Daemons and Beastmen.
I guess i can start beastman army for sure , and have them share some units with Warriors of Chaos
( chaos hounds i assume is also in beast codex , so minos are must have )


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 12:07:15


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


As long as you're stating to your opponent what is which, who would care?

They have the same base size, are about as tall etc.

As an older player who remembers the huge mixed armies of the first Realm of Chaos books, it's far more in the ancient background to have minotaurs for Chaos than any ogres or trolls since both of them are 'recruited' into chaos but minotaurs are 'created' by chaos.

I just wish they'd make Chaos armies with daemons, warriors and beasts in the same armies but return to the old days of God rivalry (Slaanesh vs Khorne, Nuggy against Tzeentch).


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 12:15:04


Post by: LunaHound


MeanGreenStompa wrote:I just wish they'd make Chaos armies with daemons, warriors and beasts in the same armies but return to the old days of God rivalry (Slaanesh vs Khorne, Nuggy against Tzeentch).

Chaos seriously doesnt look chaotic without the mix of daemons and beast.

They look like VIKINGS atm... ( warriors of chaos )
But BOO GW they'll never combine the armies again because thats less profit -_-


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 12:54:18


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


LunaHound wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I just wish they'd make Chaos armies with daemons, warriors and beasts in the same armies but return to the old days of God rivalry (Slaanesh vs Khorne, Nuggy against Tzeentch).

Chaos seriously doesnt look chaotic without the mix of daemons and beast.

They look like VIKINGS atm... ( warriors of chaos )
But BOO GW they'll never combine the armies again because thats less profit -_-


I just find it odd that chaos would be so nicely 'ordered' into the three specifics. The northern wastes was always supposed to be teeming with beastmen. The forests of the old world would have human cultists and communities that had fallen to chaos. And lastly daemons, they tried daemon armies before and wrote it off as a bad idea then they brought them back (and make them so overpowered as to be comical).

I may use beasts as marauders in my 2010 WoC army. I do like that Avatars of War beastman hero and wouldn't mind the excuse to use him.
http://arena-deathmatch.com/images/aow11.jpg


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 12:59:50


Post by: LunaHound


MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I may use beasts as marauders in my 2010 WoC army. I do like that Avatars of War beastman hero and wouldn't mind the excuse to use him.
http://arena-deathmatch.com/images/aow11.jpg

when i first read that i was confused , i thought you were talking about the movie avatar , then a "war beastman" till i click the link too sleepy i think...
Just out of curiosity , dont you ever feel that a mini ( as beautiful as they are ) that is none GW and cannot be used in GW tournament
sort of depletes in value? ( So for example , say my army list needs a beastman hero , and i bought the avatar of war . But i also want to play in a tournament
or in a GW store , thus i must rebuy a GW version )


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 13:04:05


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Tournaments are run by independent organisers now, GW have all but abandoned them.

So no loss really IMO.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/27 15:39:13


Post by: reds8n


JOHIRA wrote:
Leggy wrote:
reds8n wrote:The regular minotaurs are plastic though, I think they should have a horn rather than a drum for thier instrument but there you go.


That'd be like a human unit having a flute made of thighbone!


All the more reason for the Beasts of Chaos to have one, then.


Indeed. And they get a banner in the box too.

.. hmm.. box of three... with those options....

..hmm... might be good news for Ogres as well then if we think what this might tell us then eh ?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2009/12/28 18:05:50


Post by: Boss Salvage


Railguns wrote:He seems to have an issue with his feet. Rather than having hooves, or just feet, he has feet that end in inward curving horns rather than toes. Whether you like the in-between option or not, thats what he seems to have.

What I thought too. Eff that noise

His Master's Voice wrote:Well, if I ever finish my minos and get them cast, I doubt I'll have any trouble selling them.

You know I'm in whenever you get those dudes done HMV

But I agree: do not want.

- Salvage


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 12:15:51


Post by: reds8n


If not this week then soon we should see the first few bits and bobs arrive in stores, including posters which show the gors, ungors, Minotaurs, Bestigors and at least one of the special characters. Note how the razorgor isn't on the poster apparently. There is a reason for that.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 13:32:49


Post by: LunaHound


reds8n wrote:If not this week then soon we should see the first few bits and bobs arrive in stores, including posters which show the gors, ungors, Minotaurs, Bestigors and at least one of the special characters. Note how the razorgor isn't on the poster apparently. There is a reason for that.

If you have connections with GW , tell them that i demand them to add 2-3 minotaur into the battalion!
im not going to accept the 3 units of gor they are offering!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 13:40:59


Post by: reds8n


It does strike me as odd that there aren't any minotaurs in the box set.

That said perhaps we should wait until people have seen the plastic minotaurs before we get too po'ed. Personally...I wasn't that impressed. Reminded me very much of the plastic rat ogres from (the admittedly little) that I've seen so far.... not, you know, pull your own eyes out terrible, and a move to plastic (pricing issues aside anyway) is always a good thing in my book, if only for the conversion opportunities it opens up, but not as good as you'd have hoped. I'm still of the opinion that the best Minotaur GW did was the Bloodbowl one back in... 2nd edition time.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 18:41:11


Post by: Alpharius


reds8n wrote: It does strike me as odd that there aren't any minotaurs in the box set.

That said perhaps we should wait until people have seen the plastic minotaurs before we get too po'ed. Personally...I wasn't that impressed. Reminded me very much of the plastic rat ogres from (the admittedly little) that I've seen so far.... not, you know, pull your own eyes out terrible, and a move to plastic (pricing issues aside anyway) is always a good thing in my book, if only for the conversion opportunities it opens up, but not as good as you'd have hoped. I'm still of the opinion that the best Minotaur GW did was the Bloodbowl one back in... 2nd edition time.


Is is strange how GW can miss so often on many monsters/large creatures.

To date, the best Minotaurs are from Rackham and Avatars of War...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 18:49:21


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Best minotaur GW made was the minotaur lord with the skull head and the dragon claw mutation.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 19:40:12


Post by: Alpharius


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Best minotaur GW made was the minotaur lord with the skull head and the dragon claw mutation.


I don't remember that one!

Any chance of a link or a pic?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/03 20:05:17


Post by: His Master's Voice


Boss_Salvage wrote:You know I'm in whenever you get those dudes done HMV


Gloriously crappy movie but it hides all the unfinished junk...




Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 04:51:08


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


ALERT

Oh, my, lord.

I got a hold of the Minotaur plastics this morning and the only way I can desribe them is that a blind man had this described to him...



Told to add a bull head (with similar muscular proportions) and then he sculpted it with another layer of muscles on top.

The legs especially are vomit worthy. Some hoof/claw, some feet, all very confusing. With all the layers of muscle on the legs they look akin to this:


In saying that the upper body (and weapons, and a couple of heads) is at least able to be looked at, the rest of the model should have been thrown in the bin and restarted. IMHO worse than the current rat ogres. :(

Also I got pics of the new bestigors.
All appear to have EXACTLY the same horn set sprouting out of their helmets, I didn't get a good look to see if the faces were different. All in same, or very similar pose.

Ungor can have: Spears and shield, HW & shield.... bows! (may have been short bows). They are also able to skirmish. 20mm bases For The Loss!!!

Gors are ranked!!! So no more problems with ranking up 4 wide. LOL

The old shaman with the staff is still there.

2 new beastmen characters were in the pics, 25mm bases, no other details.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 05:00:56


Post by: BrassScorpion


Alpharius wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Best minotaur GW made was the minotaur lord with the skull head and the dragon claw mutation.

I don't remember that one! Any chance of a link or a pic?

The description may be a little faulty. I have a lead GW Minotaur Lord from about 1989 with a "dragon claw" mutation and a large axe in the other hand, but the head is not a skull, it's a fierce bull head as would be expected for a Minotaur. It is a cool model.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 05:13:03


Post by: LunaHound


Can we see the plastic minos Gonads?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 06:16:10


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


LunaHound wrote:Can we see the plastic minos Gonads?


No, I didn't have my camera with me.

However the promo poster will be out in the next week/fortnight at all GW stores and likely independent stockists which shows (most) of the new models/options.
It will have:
New plastic minotaurs left hand side. Look at their legs and try not to vomit.
Chaos hounds (current set) at front
New bestigors
New ungor (20mm bases) multiple units with spears and 1 unit has hand weapons all ranked. From what I gather skirmish is an upgrade.
New gors- all ranked
Chaos giant up the back
3 characters

Disn't see the new metal doombull but he may have been hiding up the back.




Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 06:20:46


Post by: LunaHound


Wow the curiosity o_o i must see the vomit inducing leg!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 06:39:11


Post by: bigchris1313


So the new Minos are jacked out of their minds after too many cycles.

This is bad why?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 07:48:14


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


BrassScorpion wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Best minotaur GW made was the minotaur lord with the skull head and the dragon claw mutation.

I don't remember that one! Any chance of a link or a pic?

The description may be a little faulty. I have a lead GW Minotaur Lord from about 1989 with a "dragon claw" mutation and a large axe in the other hand, but the head is not a skull, it's a fierce bull head as would be expected for a Minotaur. It is a cool model.


He was sold with a choice of two heads, one an open mouthed bellowing normal head with forward facing horns, the other a bovine skull with backward sweeping horns.

There is a very poor image of him here, the bottom pic:
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89suml/c89suml-074640-1-02.htm


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 08:46:45


Post by: JOHIRA


Waaagh_Gonads wrote:In saying that the upper body (and weapons, and a couple of heads) is at least able to be looked at, the rest of the model should have been thrown in the bin and restarted. IMHO worse than the current rat ogres. :(


Ouch. Oh well, I was always planning on going with Rackham's wolfen (if I can find any anymore) for my minos, so aside from playing in GW stores I'm good.

Also I got pics of the new bestigors.
All appear to have EXACTLY the same horn set sprouting out of their helmets, I didn't get a good look to see if the faces were different. All in same, or very similar pose.


It's quite hard to make bestigors look different. What sort of armour were they wearing? Plate? Scale?

Ungor can have: Spears and shield, HW & shield.... bows! (may have been short bows). They are also able to skirmish. 20mm bases For The Loss!!!


Hmm... I hope the shieldless option still exists, although I guess it's easier for me to glue on shields than to crack them off their bases (that I even put magnets on the bottom of!)

A bit off topic, but I'm trying to build my army so that they don't look skilled, and while I like the idea of having a shooting unit bows are just a level of sophistication beyond what I'm trying to portray. If I modelled a unit of gors with slings (which I think are just like shortbows except for an extra shot) and used shortbow rules, would people get upset?

2 new beastmen characters were in the pics, 25mm bases, no other details.


Thanks for the infor. How about chariots?

And how about someone who sees this picture snaps a photo for those of us in far off lands who won't get it any time soon?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 12:53:08


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


The bestigor were (from memory) in plate armour, cannot remember if there was chainmail.

All of the models in the pics (ungor) had shields modeled on.
I didn't see the bow option but was told by my source who is getting the codex soon (couple weeks).

Do the slings. Just tell people, and no problems.

No chariots in the pics from memory (I forgot about chariots), I think I was too overwhelmed by the minotaurs. I had heard from a couple of GWHQ sources that they were totally pants... but man. *Shudders*

I will be at my local GW tomorrow and see if they have recieved the promo posters yet. But they don't like photos in store usually.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 13:10:42


Post by: reds8n


Bestigor and in a mix of chain and plate.. and..well... dressing gowns. Chainmail mainly though.Odd stances, to my eyes, I guess perhaps to emphasis their non human nature.

Ungor have a choice, at least model wise, of melee weaponm spear, shield and bows. Command options as well.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 13:17:47


Post by: Vengis


Railguns wrote:He seems to have an issue with his feet. Rather than having hooves, or just feet, he has feet that end in inward curving horns rather than toes. Whether you like the in-between option or not, thats what he seems to have.


Actually, it's very close to a bull's hooves, just with plantigrade feet. The round sort of cloven hooves you usually see don't really fit any animals.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/04 14:50:34


Post by: Howlingmoon


reds8n wrote:Metal doombull.


that model is terrible.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:20:07


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


There was meant to be a big beastmen news release on the GW website 3rd Jan but it hasn't turned up....

Anyway to the pics.

Here is one of the promo posters.

The whole poster.... no chariots anywhere.

Please note, it is a big pic...


[Thumb - DSCF2415.JPG]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:21:13


Post by: LunaHound


Wow Gonad , you weren't kidding about the cancer tumorous legs ...

Im betting.... its the same sculptor as the plastic Catachans ?
Khrazarak is the same... old old shaman is the same
Gorthor im guessing? not on a charriot hmm...
Ungor looks like boy scouts
Gor looks the same
Bestigor looks like Gors trying to fit in skaven stormvermin armor...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:26:14


Post by: Kurgash


so wait....Beastmen are possibly going to lose their skirmish playstyle and just be another rank and file army? That was their appeal tho


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:30:15


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


Believe me it gets worse.

Close up of the minotaurs , and the new bestigors (note the uniformity of the models ).

[Thumb - DSCF2416.JPG]
[Thumb - DSCF2417.JPG]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:36:59


Post by: warpcrafter


The plastic minotaurs look all bloated, like some mutant from DOOM.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:42:50


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


Close up of characters, close up of gors, close up of ungors.

See it all on BOLS and Warseer tomorrow.

Go Team Dakka!


[Thumb - DSCF2419.JPG]
[Thumb - DSCF2418.JPG]
[Thumb - DSCF2420.JPG]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:47:52


Post by: LunaHound


Well this army will atleast make some Chaos Traitor guards very happy...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:50:51


Post by: Buttlerthepug


I was going to start a Beastmen army next <.< but due to some of those images and the rumors about their new rules... Im not too sure, not untill I see them in better pics and official rules at least.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 05:54:55


Post by: LunaHound


Buttlerthepug wrote:I was going to start a Beastmen army next <.< but due to some of those images and the rumors about their new rules... Im not too sure, not untill I see them in better pics and official rules at least.

There is only 1 hope left , which is maybe we'll see new charriot + tuskgor , or centigors.

Then maybe we can make an all cavalry beastman army T-T


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 06:02:01


Post by: Boss Salvage


WAT?!



Thanks for the scoop Gonads but ... but ... but ...

- Salvage


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 06:24:17


Post by: Buttlerthepug


LunaHound wrote:
Buttlerthepug wrote:I was going to start a Beastmen army next <.< but due to some of those images and the rumors about their new rules... Im not too sure, not untill I see them in better pics and official rules at least.

There is only 1 hope left , which is maybe we'll see new charriot + tuskgor , or centigors.

Then maybe we can make an all cavalry beastman army T-T


Yeah... I havent kept up with this thread till now and I might go back later and read everything but I was originially hoping I could use stuff from my WoC army for use in Beastmen so I could expand on both and apparently they are taking the shared things out? Im not sure if those rumors change, since as I said, I have not kept up with this thread... that was another reason I wanted to do it and because of that I was also turned away... I suppose the Minotaurs would be cool if I went with a nurgle theme >.<


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 06:31:29


Post by: LunaHound


Here is the inspiration for the minotaur sculpt.
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Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 06:34:54


Post by: Buttlerthepug


Well then... She is definitely a devouted follower of nurgle... Not just on table top but as a real life devotion >.<


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 06:36:41


Post by: Kurgash


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Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 07:26:02


Post by: Task and Purpose


Sees minotaur models after all these months of anticipation, "My eyes my eyes. Agggh".

Scrolls down, "my eyes my eyes. Agggh".

I want to quit the internets of Dakka now. But that was an appropriate pic of insperation. LOL.

EDIT: I guess minoaurs could always be painted with MC Hammer pants. I gues that would them be "M"MC Hammer pants.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 07:42:02


Post by: warpcrafter


Never visiting this thread again. (/Barf...)


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 07:43:20


Post by: LunaHound


warpcrafter wrote:Never visiting this thread again. (/Barf...)

The mino or the pic i linked?

I guess i'll delete it before i get in trouble o_o


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 08:11:45


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


The GW minotaurs are a new low.


Well hello there Avatars of War...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 08:38:47


Post by: reds8n


All of these are better than the Razorgor too.

Still... minotaurs ranking up in threes in seems then... could be a handy indicator for another army that relies upon creatures of that size with regards to the future perhaps.

There are no new centigors or chariots, this this wave anyway, aside from 1 centigor special character Blandymcblandness.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 08:44:30


Post by: Buttlerthepug


MeanGreenStompa wrote:The GW minotaurs are a new low.


Well hello there Avatars of War...


Ooooo I just looked at the AoW ones again, although they are about $10 more they are worth every penny due to the GW ones... I had totally forgot about them... ty good sir


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 08:51:00


Post by: nyyman


Am I the only one who thinks that most of the new BoC look, well, not awesome, but, nice?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:06:55


Post by: LunaHound


Buttlerthepug wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:The GW minotaurs are a new low.


Well hello there Avatars of War...


Ooooo I just looked at the AoW ones again, although they are about $10 more they are worth every penny due to the GW ones... I had totally forgot about them... ty good sir

Im going back to using these , so i'll recommend them to you too ^^
sure they arnt cows but... it could work?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:08:36


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:15:29


Post by: LunaHound


MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

Well , im sure GW is best at telling us what we should like.
Im still going to buy them, going to shave off some of those tumor legs and give them some GS leg armor?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:19:23


Post by: Kanluwen


MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

I have a theory on the Minotaurs.

Bear with me here, it's kind of out there:

We're used to seeing the "generic" AD&D/High Fantasy/Greek mythos minotaur, which depending on the source material is a freakish birth(Greek mythos) or a sentient race that somehow evolved into that form.

Like every other form of Beasts or Servant of Chaos...they all started their lives out as human(or at times--Dark Elven). The Gors and Ungors and Minotaurs aren't naturally occurring or even a freakish birth like the Greek version. We're seeing what is essentially a pattern of mutations that then gets classified as "Minotaurs."

I mean, it's just a theory. But if they're trying to move away from just copying random beasts from lore--it'd be fantastic for them to y'know...rename things.
But they can't really do that either, because somewhere along the line someone would complain.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:22:27


Post by: LunaHound


Kanluwen wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.

I have a theory on the Minotaurs.

Bear with me here, it's kind of out there:

We're used to seeing the "generic" AD&D/High Fantasy/Greek mythos minotaur, which depending on the source material is a freakish birth(Greek mythos) or a sentient race that somehow evolved into that form.

Like every other form of Beasts or Servant of Chaos...they all started their lives out as human(or at times--Dark Elven). The Gors and Ungors and Minotaurs aren't naturally occurring or even a freakish birth like the Greek version. We're seeing what is essentially a pattern of mutations that then gets classified as "Minotaurs."

I mean, it's just a theory. But if they're trying to move away from just copying random beasts from lore--it'd be fantastic for them to y'know...rename things.
But they can't really do that either, because somewhere along the line someone would complain.

Well its an interesting theory , but most of us arnt so much worried about how they look compared to generic minos...
we are especially freaked out by the tumor looking muscles that is suspiciously similar to plastic catachans.

*hint hint fire the sculptor -_-


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:24:27


Post by: Luchador Minotaur of Doom


MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.


Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:25:46


Post by: LunaHound


Luchador Minotaur of Doom wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.


Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.

Interesting theory , but the execution looks nothing like muscles.
It infact , looks like that horrendous fat lady picture i linked in previous page -_-


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:32:08


Post by: Luchador Minotaur of Doom


LunaHound wrote:
Luchador Minotaur of Doom wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:If they would only preview their greens instead of their secret hush hush behaviour we could warn them they're making a stinker and change it.

But then, GW aren't so good at listening to feedback I guess.

/shrug. Shame about the minos, I would have obtained some for my WoC army but I'll give it a miss now.


Apparently the sculptor was asked to add another layer of muscles to the minotaurs. If you really look at them you'll notice (not that you need to look hard), that they simply have to many small muscles. (ignoring the feet)

For the inspiration of the head:



I would have added larger muscles to the sides of the body, and longer ones to the lower legs.

...and first post.

Interesting theory , but the execution looks nothing like muscles.
It infact , looks like that horrendous fat lady picture i linked in previous page -_-


If you crop the ears, and the rest of the body, they have the same flat area on the front of the face.

I agree that the muscles look off, and rather ambiguous. They should have just went with more armor as minotaurs with heavy armor would be great.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:32:24


Post by: JOHIRA


Thanks a bunch!

1) As for the minotaurs... that's a serious failure. I wasn't planning on getting any anyway, but those are ridiculous. They should have never been let past the green stage.

2) Bestigors... I don't mind them, actually. I like mine better, but I bet I could get those guys to fit in with some conversions. And I don't mind the uniformity- bestigors are supposed to be the rare exception to Beastmen disorder anyway.

3) Gors/Ungors... they look like they can blend in with the current range, and that's about all I can hope for at this point. I quite like some of the Gor axes.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 09:33:55


Post by: LunaHound


I like yours better too... dunno why you got only 3's
bumped it abit xD


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 10:14:45


Post by: NAVARRO


Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 11:13:45


Post by: His Master's Voice


NAVARRO wrote:Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.


Iliad is like the Holy Grail of Lost Miniature Manufacturers right now. I'm hunting some of the Barbarians from their line for years and I still can't get them.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 11:15:37


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


NAVARRO wrote:If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.


/sigh

Yeah, that's one beautiful model...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 11:18:37


Post by: NAVARRO


His Master's Voice wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:Back from a heavy season's parties with my belly full of cakes and sweets, just to vomit it all by looking at this topic... no its not the fat ladies its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

Also this army shows me again why I totally abandoned warhammer fantasy... ugly same posed big regiments with NO charisma.

If only I could find a ILyad minotaur.


Iliad is like the Holy Grail of Lost Miniature Manufacturers right now. I'm hunting some of the Barbarians from their line for years and I still can't get them.


Vorags are hard to get, I got one this christmas for 120usd.
Here's my dream team I'm hunting down...
And for people wondering what minotaur i was refering to hes the one on top... sculpted by allan carrasco and still the best minotaur ever sculpted.





Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 11:28:46


Post by: Sidstyler


Ugh, those minotaurs are worse than the plastic Catachans. Just...wow, who the hell gave that the green light? Who sculpted that?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:15:22


Post by: Waaagh_Gonads


Confusion reigns on warseer where posters seem to think scryer took the photos, even though he credited me and dakka.

Still I made my first ever post over there.

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:24:03


Post by: reds8n


Indeed it will ...behold...shouts out to the ever reliable Mr. Hastings of Warseer...

..separated at birth ?

[Thumb - Razorgor.JPG]
[Thumb - Razorgor2.gif]


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:26:23


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


...I...erm...ahhhh...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

So, that's that then, game of Warmachine anyone?



Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:26:36


Post by: NAVARRO


Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.



Impossible!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:27:27


Post by: Izual


OH NO!!! not a Pumba on magic mushrooms!!!!


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:27:42


Post by: NAVARRO


reds8n wrote:Indeed it will ...behold...shouts out to the ever reliable Mr. Hastings of Warseer...

..separated at birth ?



AHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN new lows.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:28:02


Post by: jgemrich


I have both the black orc (3 flags) and the Taurg from Illyad. Got them just when the company folded at cost. Had 2 of the Vorag Barbarians that I sold off about 12 months ago.

http://jgemrich.smugmug.com/photos/426614341_xFCbS-O.jpg



THe new Minos look very "odd" I mean the exta facial muslcles is just bizaar. Too much Bovine growth hormone I guess.




Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:31:47


Post by: Jin


Sigh.

Well, here's hoping that there're new, better models for 9th Edition.... At least my bank account won't cry now.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:34:13


Post by: reds8n


NAVARRO wrote:
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

Anyway, as Reds8n indicated, the releases will only get worse when you see the razorgor.



Impossible!


OH NO IT ISN'T ! .....


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:34:23


Post by: Agamemnon2


MeanGreenStompa wrote:Warmachine anyone?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh, come on, nothing Privateer has ever done is anywhere near that thing awfulness. Jebus Q. Buddha! That's some horrible sculpting, though it reminds me a bit of Agrajag.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 14:59:58


Post by: jgemrich


Wow... these are amazingly bad. Why not just take the tuskers off the old chariot.

I'm really disappointed in the bestigors as well. The horns are too uniform. It is one of those things that really make the regular gors stand out as a nice plastic kit.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 15:02:43


Post by: whitedragon


I think the mino's look fine. I wonder what they added/subracted from the Gors, and the Ungors look horrible.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 15:03:30


Post by: Boss Salvage


LunaHound wrote:
Im going back to using these , so i'll recommend them to you too ^^
sure they arnt cows but... it could work?
<Wulfen Pic>

Bingo Luna, and I know at least a few people using beautiful confrontation werewolves as minos. Ultimately, if the rules aren't utter trash, GW is only hurting itself by releasing uninspiring (ok vomit-inducing) models along with the new book. There are plenty of original beasts players who are quite excited to get their old herds updated and back on the rampage again, with no need to buy new models save for (converting!) a razorgor here or a new character there.

My fear? That the rules are an amateurish mish-mash that falls on its face as well ...
NAVARRO wrote:its the minotaurs, I see chaos ogres all over again.

We have no idea who's sculpting this BoC range, right? Because I do wonder if GeeDub gave the project to some newbie team to practice sculpting a new plastic kit (vominos & same-igors), a couple characters, a biggish monster (horror pig) and revamping and recutting a plastic kit (gors & ungors). Meh, not trying to pin the blame, but certainly not getting anything close to the quality of, say, the plastic chaos cavalry kits off this release

Here's hoping the rules can hold up, because we can always handle the model angle even if The Dub can't.

- Salvage

* Also: I don't totally hate the minos, they'll be good conversion fodder for big mutants and such for years to come. With a more unique color scheme and such they might paint up decent too, and who's to say what else is in the kit. I'm seeing a lot of the same weapons in that shot, but maybe there are armored options, gw options, etc.


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 15:05:11


Post by: gorgon


I dunno what everyone is complaining about. So they look like they're wearing Hulk inflatable muscles. So what? We'll only be stuck with them for what, the next 10 years? *facepalm*

Ya gotta wonder who the heck greenlit those for release. Thank god I probably have enough metal Minos for my needs.

Regarding the Razorgor, it really is the pile of steaming poo it was rumored to be. It almost looks like one of the famed "stupid things." Which is kinda cool, actually.

Is some of this the result of GW's rumored faster pace of releases?


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 15:12:02


Post by: 40kenthusiast


I don't care about the models. They could be wearing clown hats and I'll buy them if their rules are good. I want another good army book, one that brings Beasts of Chaos up to par with Dark Elves, Vampire Counts, Warriors of Chaos, etc. (I'm fine with us being weaker than Daemons).

It sounds like we are yet another iteration of Fighting Infantry, which still doesn't work. On the other hand, this big monster has some potential, and if the characters are sufficiently awesome (items + gifts = Vampire style characters w/out the magic) and if there's a way to get them into skirmisher units, it could still be pretty tough. We'll see...


Beasts of Chaos thread... @ 2010/01/05 15:23:44


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Agamemnon2 wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Warmachine anyone?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh, come on, nothing Privateer has ever done is anywhere near that thing awfulness. Jebus Q. Buddha! That's some horrible sculpting, though it reminds me a bit of Agrajag.


No, I was suggesting we all just gently put the horrible minis down and go play warmachine instead...