im not sure who i think the genestealer is
but we should think about who was most threatend by emperors faithful (may his spirit live on)

Unless I'm mistaken, the_ferret was the one most hounded by Emperor's Faithful.

Yes, yet both now are dead. One, Swiss cheese style, the other, pained on a tree

If you were to ask me (which I know most of you want) we should look for those UNCONNECTED with EF. Someone hounding EF and then eliminating him that night is far too suspicious!

Yeah, that was my thought on this. However, it could be a double-bluff.

Good grief, it could even be a treble or quadruple bluff

Ah, welcome to WIFOM my little ducks. To celebrate, here is your first vote accounting of Day 2.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
0 - lord of the ghosts
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Drk_O
0 - ginger_nid_dude
0 - Lord-Loss
1 - Dark Lord Seanron (ginger_nid_dude)
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: n0t_u Lord-Loss BrotherStynier lord of the ghosts Drk_O Deff Dread red Edition Gornall Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Fifty Rusty Knight Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dark Lord Seanron would be lynched
Deadline countdown

'Good god-emperor!" I exclaim as I see the body of EF hanging from the tree.

"Surely we should help him down from there?" I say as I gesture toward the tree, a look of disgust visibly etched on my face.

"Also, Ginger, is it not foolish to hastily jump into voting like that?"

Well, at least we unknowngly aren't going to be killed by a fellow loyalist...

My logic was illogical... I need time to empty my mind and try to rethink the events of the previous day...

Lord-Loss wrote:I dont see how this makes DLS innocent RustyKnight. Quick to finish the day, aint you N0t_u?

Why dont you confess now and we will end it quickly.

One that was Vulkan

Two it seemed like the logical step seeing as it was basically a tie between him and Ferret until you showed up and dropped the hammer on the Ferret.

If anything that ginger_nid_dude seems like he's in a rush to get the day finished.
He wasn't really hounding EF either, but I doubt it will be so easy to find the traitors.

The reason that I voted was as I said, an attempt to try to get people voting to allow us to assess their reactions more than "oh no, EF is dead" which is a dreadful thing, yet with three cold blooded killers in our midst, it's not of highest priority to scrape remains off a tree

It was two hours into the deadline N0t_u, DLS had 4 and The_Ferret had 7!

Basically a tie? Surely not.

I'm not sure who I suspect and trust at the moment. I had a good feeling about Lord-Loss because he was trying to slow the votes yesterday, but that could have been to save DarkO.

The more the days go on, however, I just don't get a good vibe from Mekboy. He's been quiet and was very eager to please yesterday. I'll have to go back and revisit his posts before I can really say where I stand on him.

I still can't get any sort of read on GND, DarkO, Not_U, DDRE, and Rusty Knight. TBH, I think at least one and maybe two of them are likely genestealers. Just a lot of their vote switching and actions didn't really add up in my mind. Once again, I'll review the transcripts and get back with everyone.

(OOC: That's the downside of having such a long first day... you forget a lot and have a lot to sort through. I should actually keep notes.)

If I ever find myself in another situation like this, I think I'll start a little database to keep track of those around me. I don't like that we killed a cit. Okay, we had our reasons, but we've already lost one opportunity to find a stealer. It is that missed opportunity that upsets me more than the death of "an innocent".

Vote:ginger_nid_dude

gnd has barely contributed to the hunt for Genestealers. He hides in the shadows. I used to know someone that would call that very scummy. Perhaps thats why you killed EF. You knew that if given enough time he would have suspected you. So you made the pre-emptive move to kill him before he even mentioned you.

DarkO... is that all the "proof" you have?

gornal do you trust me

Trust is for the foolish, suspicion is for the strong minded.

Reckless Suspicion without rhyme or reason however is for the utterly moronic

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:Reckless Suspicion without rhyme or reason however is for the utterly moronic

So is wanton bloodlust.

I agree BLS. Anything done recklessly while we need to think this through would be completely moronic and lead to the traitors victory.
Bloodlust for the traitors is fine however

Why do you think my quietness is suspicious? I admit I do like to lurk in shadows, yet I like to make it so I only speak when I see something of note.

OOC: This is only my first survival game so I don't really know how much I should be posting about what

*picks up EF's lasgun*
I could use this as a laser pointer.

"It seems our Teenage-Zombie-Space marine-Super Psyker, can now add comedian to his already long list of titles."

Teenage-Zombie-Space marine-Super-Psyker whos a comedian wow that could be useful

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Why do you think my quietness is suspicious? I admit I do like to lurk in shadows, yet I like to make it so I only speak when I see something of note.

OOC: This is only my first survival game so I don't really know how much I should be posting about what

Why does any upright Imperial citizen wish to lurk? Lurking is for the evasion of suspicion...

Taking a drag from the Ilho stick I turn to face Rusty, before exhaling the fumes. "Well I believe we've already established none of us are upstanding Imperial Citizens. We are all Mercs, genestealers or teenage-superpsyker-space marines."

Nothing wrong with being a merc. We've all put in our time in the Guard.

That still doesn't make us upstanding citizens.

So are we ready to start discussing our next course of action?

Gornall wrote:DarkO... is that all the "proof" you have?

Is there any proof that I'm wrong?

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Why do you think my quietness is suspicious? I admit I do like to lurk in shadows, yet I like to make it so I only speak when I see something of note.

OOC: This is only my first survival game so I don't really know how much I should be posting about what

A loyal Imperial Citizen helps the majority selflessly to root out any and all Genestealers. You selfishly hide in the shadows in an act of self preservation.

OOC: You should be actively discussing who you think is suspicious, with examples and "evidence"

Careful with that Lasgun, they can kill a Carnifex now

So, who would have had the most to gain from EF's death? We know that DLS was being targetted by him at one stage, but DLS was also targetted by Lord Loss, myself and others. I'd have thought that Lord Loss would be a more likely target if the choice were DLS's alone...

Is it at all possible that the stealer's had fond out he was an assassin? It seems unlikely that they would have had a chance? Did EF say anything to give himself away?

Who else did EF point a finger of suspicion at, even peripherally? Am I remembering correctly if I say EF disliked those who said little? Although people like not_u, ginger_nid_dude and that sort did not get mentioned by name, could they have been worried about where his attention would turn next? Especially as he was a very chatty person?

I doubt EF would have been the target of a talkative person, unless they wanted to be able to direct the conversation better themselves. As Lord Loss and EF had come to approximate agreement, it would seem odd for Lord Loss to have targetted him...

In my opinion though it just looks like the steallers got a lucky shot.
It's not how much is said, but rather what you pick up from what they say that can help you decide if they are a loyalist or a traitor. Hopefully catching the traitors in time to stop another important loyalist death.

OOC:: /channeling the spirit of Thor
Don't get to hung up on who might have wanted to kill EF. There are so many factors in it, that's it hard to tell what the traitors' motivation might be.

The night phase deaths, I think, should only be considered after a pattern of any way shape or form emerges.

Dark O, you didn't like my early vote yet you then quikly voted me. Eye for an I, vote: Dark O

GND raises an excellent point on the patterns. We can't get overly fixated on who dies, but if it becomes obivous that a number of people who die all tried to go for one person, then it's obvious who we lynch. Either way, EF's death hasn't really left us with any clues.

GND raises an excellent point on the patterns. We can't get overly fixated on who dies, but if it becomes obivous that a number of people who die all tried to go for one person, then it's obvious who we lynch. Either way, EF's death hasn't really left us with any clues.

I honestly thought that I was going to die last night phrase.

Anyhows, MekBoy and Nid are both suspicous, Mekboy doesnt see to comment unless there is a lynch coming off and Ginger is jumping on shadows.

Mekboy wrote:GND raises an excellent point on the patterns. We can't get overly fixated on who dies, but if it becomes obivous that a number of people who die all tried to go for one person, then it's obvious who we lynch. Either way, EF's death hasn't really left us with any clues.

so that's what you are trying to do! Think, who is the most calm, he is the xenos!

BTW, I can put up a list of all the votes that happened yesterday, and the order, if people might find it helpful.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
0 - lord of the ghosts
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
1 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Dark Lord Seanron
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: n0t_u Lord-Loss BrotherStynier lord of the ghosts Deff Dread red Edition Gornall Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Fifty Rusty Knight Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Mekboy... that would be especially helpful.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Dark O, you didn't like my early vote yet you then quikly voted me. Eye for an I, vote: Dark O

Wow, that might be true if you completely ignore my previously explained reasons and ignore the context completely.

I think the ferrett has something to do with the ef's factors.

"How could he, he died before EF's was killed. He was also proven to be an Imperial citizen. If he was still around, I could see it as some sort of stealer ploy to put him in the spotlight and point out that him and EF had fought during the day." I say, glancing back to the tent in which we killed the Ferret.

"It seems we are stuck gentlemen, anyone care to look back into the vox records and summarize yesterday?"

OOC: Not really sure if it would help(a summary of day 1 I mean) however we seem not to be generating much useful conversation at the moment. I would do it myself, however it is rather late and I am rather lazy .

This is my current record of yesterday. The voter is the name outside the brackets, and the target the name inside the brackets. Apologies for any wrong bits.

Rustyknight (drk o)
EF (drk o)
drk o (rustyknight)
Stynier (EF)
Deff dread (drk o)
drk o (not u) R
ferret (rustyknight)
LL (50)
DLS (drk 0)
EF (DLS)
not you (drk o)
me (drk o)
lotg (me)
Vulkan (lotg)
LL (mekboy
GND (stynier)
Rustyknight (lotg)
50 (DLS)
drk o (lotg)
drk o (vulkan)
lotg (rustyknight)
lotg (me)
drk o (gornall)
EF (drk o)
drk o (ferret)
LL (not u)
LL (50)
50 (GND)
Vulkan (LL)
Rusty (ferret)
EF (LL)
drk o (GND)
Rustyknight (drk o)
LL UNVOTE 50
vulkan (drk o)
me (lotg)
RUSTY UNVOTE DRK O
EF (drk o)
ferret (drk O)
EF UNVOTE DRK O
Gornall (ferret)
EF (ferret)
drk o (ferret)
Rustyknight (ferret)
EF (DLS)
DEFF DREAD UNVOTE DRK O
not you (ferret)
VULKAN UNVOTE DRK O
lotg (ferret)
FERRET UNVOTE DRK O
LL (DLS)
EF (lotg)
lotg (EF)
Vulkan (lotg)
GND (ferret)
EF (DLS)
50 (DLS)
ferret (DLS)
GORNALL UNVOTE FERRET
EF (FERRET)
vulkan (FERRET)
lotg (ferret)
Gornall (DLS)
stynier (DLS)
rustyknight (DLS)
drk o (DLS)
vulkan (drk o)
GORNALL UNVOTE DLS
drk o (ferret)
lotg (DLS)
rustyknight (ferret)
LL (ferret)

I tallied the votes against:
Drk_0: 12
EF: 2
Deff dread: 0
Rusty Knight: 2
Me: 5
ferret: 15
Mekboy: 2
DLS: 8
vulkan: 1
LL: 1
Gornall: 1
GND: 1
stynier: 1
50: 1
not_u: 0
Is that everyone?
That's 52 votes.

OOC: Does anyone need prodding?

Weekends only count as one day as regards posting requirements - currently a few players are close to getting a prod but to my current awareness no one is past 48 hours with no posts (feel free to point out anyone who is and I will happily send them a PM)

wow I changed my vote 5 times

So you're saying that if we just went after the most suspicious according to the vote record alone it would be Drk_O?

GND it goes an eye for an eye. It's rather stupid as if we just went around getting revenge on everyone simply because they attacked us we wouldn't have any eyes would we?
It's not that I don't think voting so someone simply because they're voting for you is not very good, it's just that it shouldn't be the only reason for voting for someone as it's reckless and can leave you blind to the real threats. If anything it raises suspicion for you because it can also give the impresssion that you know who is a loyalist and who is a traitor. The only way you could know something like that is if you're an Inquisitor or if you're a traitor. Either way it makes you a more obvious target for either group.

LoG wrote:

Mekboy wrote:GND raises an excellent point on the patterns. We can't get overly fixated on who dies, but if it becomes obivous that a number of people who die all tried to go for one person, then it's obvious who we lynch. Either way, EF's death hasn't really left us with any clues.

so that's what you are trying to do! Think, who is the most calm, he is the xenos!

LoG, I hope that was sarcasm. Being calm doesn't mean that they're a traitor simply that their trying to approach it more carefully as to not make any mistakes or to try to be as acurate as possible. A loyalist death is fine as long as it reveals a traitor, otherwise it's a waste.

n0t_u, I think he was saying it as "Ohh, so thats what you're thinking" type of way.

Who do you think is a genestealer atm btw?

Well GND, you and possibly Vulkan.
Of course they'll probably nearly all turn out to be wrong

I would think so far we've had one waste, and the removal of an annoying presence.

Mistakes are inevitable at the start...

And I don't think we can discern any pattern as of yet, unless ithe pattern is a lack of a pattern at all!

"I think that, thinking the lack of a pattern, is a pattern is rather over thinking things(OOC:I couldn't find any better way to word it). I know these stealers are clever buggers, however, I think day ones votes just indicate mass voting confusion."

I too think Vulkan is suspicous, he put Drk_0 very close to an lynch and hasnt talked much, apart from when he was lynching!

LoG is also suspicous, he accuses people of being xenos filth and casts suspicon where there is no suspicon!

Lord-Loss, I agree the lotg is odd...

Perhaps driving it away from himself and onto those who he knows to be loyalists.

n0t_u wrote:Perhaps driving it away from himself and onto those who he knows to be loyalists.

I doubt that lotg is either a Genestealer or an Inquisitor. He seems, odd, for the lack of a better word. We'll just have to keep an eye on him for the moment...

"Indeed, his actions as a Comedic-zombie-super psyker-marine have been most strange. However, his rather random voting, silly background story and generally strange logic fueling said random votes, point to me more as the acts of an insane civilian rather than a dangerous alien."

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:"Indeed, his actions as a Comedic-zombie-super psyker-marine have been most strange. However, his rather random voting, silly background story and generally strange logic fueling said random votes, point to me more as the acts of an insane civilian rather than a dangerous alien.

True, but just to be safe, I think I'll keep a close eye on him later.

"We should be vigilant of all, it could be that he is just a bumbling civilian, however it could also be that LotG is trying to hide being a stealer behind his mask of silliness."

And now you understand what I meant when I said "Trust is for the foolish, suspicion is for the strong minded. ".

What about Vulkan, do others find him suspicous?

Yeah, and that's not because you all could be traitors to me. I'm just kind of getting this traitor kind of signal from him.

"He is indeed rather strange as well, he seems to dart into the conversation now and then(OOC:From what I can remember, I should really check back and make notes)making a rather random vote, most of them being directed toward LotG or Drk_O. Barring the time he voted for Lord-Loss, I see a bit of a pattern. Perhaps he is trying to throw suspicion off himself by voting for another of our prime suspects(LotG)?"

That kind of makes sense, but is still too weak to act on at the moment. But, we might have just found our first stealer.

"Yes, it is indeed too weak to act upon. However, it seems to be the best lead we have for the moment."

as I have stated 2 or 3 times I have school and that is why I don't post often
that and I am having parent trouble
and if you read my vote I give reasons


Any thing else????

"I might have been hasty to jump on the idea of the pattern, it is rather faint and in all truth is not anything to go on. However I still maintain, your reasons for voting as you did, while explained, were in all truth rather strange."

OOC: I hope everything works out for you at school and at home mate .

I do wonder why you are covering lotg's tracks Dark O. Is it as my suspicions say. That last sentance sounded much more grammaticly correct in my head

ginger_nid_dude wrote:I do wonder why you are covering lotg's tracks Dark O. Is it as my suspicions say. That last sentance sounded much more grammaticly correct in my head

I am against the needless murder of potentially loyal citizens.

I think we don't have a big enough case against him atm. All we have is that he's a comedian, teenage, pysker, Space Marine. If I missed something let me know.

I'm most suspicious of GND at the moment. Far too quiet and has been rather quick to throw out votes this morning.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
0 - lord of the ghosts
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
1 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Dark Lord Seanron
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: n0t_u Lord-Loss BrotherStynier lord of the ghosts Deff Dread red Edition Gornall Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Fifty Rusty Knight Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Lord-Loss, I agree the lotg is odd...

You are odd!

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Lord-Loss, I agree the lotg is odd...

You are odd!

NO YOUR FACE IS ODD.

Ahhh, to be a teenager again, and a Space Marine.

Ohhh, yeah, your face...

Sorry dood.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Ohhh, yeah, your face...

Sorry dood.

(OOC:I laughed so hard I cried, and I thought about saying "your face")

I can't help but think more can be discerned from yesterday.

Let's think about this - how can 'stealers disguise their alliance? By voting for each other. But once they get close to lynching one of their own, they would shed their votes from that person.

Now, we know ferret was not a 'stealer, so 'stealers would not have shed their vote from him, but they may have shed their vote to him.

If anyone suddenly shifted their voting to ferret from someone else, it may help us uncover someone to look closely at.

For example, I remember that EF and LL both shifted their votes from DLS to ferret. That does not mean LL is a 'stealer - it is entirely likely that he did it to prevent an early lynching - but were there any late and unexpected shifts? Again, it is not conclusive, but it may help a little.

Oh, come on, you can't possibly be thinking me and dark O are both genestealers. If either of us is, it's him.

that what a genestealer would say

OOC::We have about a week left FYI. I'm swamped with RL work atm, so my analysis is going to be pretty thin.

IC:: While I have no evidence, I'm getting a slightly scummy vibe from Rusty. It seems he doesn't say much and when he does it is vague accusations.

However, GNDs last statement seems very suspicious, almost as if he has a guilty mind. When I read 50's post, it didn't really bring DarkO and GND to mind, but he still felt the need to defend himself.

I say plenty much, its only recently that I've become quiet (OOC: just got done with a project, I'll be picking up my posting rate soon enough). As for my accusation, I was merely stating what my gut told me. In the last several pages, several others have done the same. Hell, n0t_u used "a traitor feeling" as justification.

Now, throwing my gut feeling in with his lack of posting, his recent outburst of guilt, his revenge vote earlier in the day, and his own vague grammatically incorrect accusations, I feel justified in voting for GND.
Vote:ginger_nid_dude

I feel like I should:
VOTE: ginger_nid_dude

Ohh, I forgot my reason!!
Gnd voted once yesterday.
And was voted againist once.
By 50.

What sense does that reasoning make?

Fifty wrote:I can't help but think more can be discerned from yesterday.

Let's think about this - how can 'stealers disguise their alliance? By voting for each other. But once they get close to lynching one of their own, they would shed their votes from that person.

Now, we know ferret was not a 'stealer, so 'stealers would not have shed their vote from him, but they may have shed their vote to him.

If anyone suddenly shifted their voting to ferret from someone else, it may help us uncover someone to look closely at.

For example, I remember that EF and LL both shifted their votes from DLS to ferret. That does not mean LL is a 'stealer - it is entirely likely that he did it to prevent an early lynching - but were there any late and unexpected shifts? Again, it is not conclusive, but it may help a little.

I like the way you think, it's similar to my own way of thinking. I had this in my mind as well, but I couldn't find any reasonible conections.

Gornall wrote:However, GNDs last statement seems very suspicious, almost as if he has a guilty mind. When I read 50's post, it didn't really bring DarkO and GND to mind, but he still felt the need to defend himself.

I found this suspicious as well.

RustyKnight wrote:I say plenty much, its only recently that I've become quiet (OOC: just got done with a project, I'll be picking up my posting rate soon enough). As for my accusation, I was merely stating what my gut told me. In the last several pages, several others have done the same. Hell, n0t_u used "a traitor feeling" as justification.

Now, throwing my gut feeling in with his lack of posting, his recent outburst of guilt, his revenge vote earlier in the day, and his own vague grammatically incorrect accusations, I feel justified in voting for GND.
Vote:ginger_nid_dude

The thing about gut feelings is, it's usually the only proof when there's no evidence...

"I agree GND has been acting strangely of late. My prime suspects would be him or Lotg, GND, for his lack of posts and need to defend himself, even though 50's post directed no accusation toward him. LotG for his rather silly incoherent voting, he is either one easily manipulated by group think(which is bad as he may be easily manipulated into voting for an innocent)or he is a stealer that is jumping on board of a vote bandwagon, or perhaps trying to start one."

OOC: Just thought I would say something like that rather than just put up another filler post.

Well, I just want to say, I am still here!

I had had previous suspicions of gnd, and I am thinking back and considering them anew, in the light of all that has taken place since...

BrotherStynier wrote:What sense does that reasoning make?

Filler to avoid looking suspicious from jumping on the bandwagon?

If I'm honest, many folk are acting peculiarly, far more than there are 'stealers in our midst.

GND is acting peculiar, and not just cos of his name. Plus our resident Spehss Comedio-Marine also...

I'm not sold on anyone yet though... Still got my eye on Dark_O

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:I'm not sold on anyone yet though... Still got my eye on Dark_O

I don't mind that your suspicous of me, I don't mind really. The more you watch, the clearer things become. It's been working for me recently.

Someone is suspicous because of there name?.. Thats really, really weak. My suspicon of DLS has grown again.

Meh... I think DLS was trying to make a funny.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
0 - lord of the ghosts
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
3 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts )
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Dark Lord Seanron
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: n0t_u Lord-Loss BrotherStynier Deff Dread red Edition Gornall Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Fifty Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

lord loss get a senses of humor

I looked back over Mekboy's post of votes, and unless I misread it, it seems like Rusty is a major bandwagon voter. Couple this with the fact that I just seem to be getting a bad vibe from him, and I have no choice but to Vote: RustyKnight.

n0t_u wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:What sense does that reasoning make?

Filler to avoid looking suspicious from jumping on the bandwagon?

Yes, because obviously I'm afraid of getting lynched...

Gornall wrote:I looked back over Mekboy's post of votes, and unless I misread it, it seems like Rusty is a major bandwagon voter. Couple this with the fact that I just seem to be getting a bad vibe from him, and I have no choice but to Vote: RustyKnight.

When did I bandwagon? I voted for the_ferret because (as the majority agreed) he was acting excessively bizarre and scummy, switched to DLS after the_ferret tried to self-kill and to put more pressure on DLS (as both were close, but as long as the-ferret was L-1, DLS was rather secure), then switched back to the_ferret when he started acting scummy again. Three votes, especially three votes with valid reasoning, are hardly "major".

All of those times you waited to move your vote after most everyone else had. Also, earlier, you did the same thing with DarkO. So all three major suspects on Day 1 you were placing late votes on them. That's why I think it is somewhat "bandwagonish".

((Am here, but in too much agony with toothache to think of anything worth posting. Back soon))

Guys... we don't have a lot of time left. We need to get some serious discussion going. I still think GND and Rusty are the two who I consider the biggest concerns, even though I think DarkO is not too far behind.

"We are indeed losing day light gentlemen."I say glancing through the covering shroud of the above trees.

"I think we should each review the vox log(thread)once more, to see who in our minds acted in a suspicious manner. Perhaps we might find one or two new suspects or add to the suspicions we have for someone."

BrotherStynier wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:What sense does that reasoning make?

Filler to avoid looking suspicious from jumping on the bandwagon?

Yes, because obviously I'm afraid of getting lynched...

Nah, that was my answer to your question.

Oh forgive me then, but I thought our Marine friend was one of the more vocal.

This day has passed very quickly, I am now suspicous of Gornall, its more of a hunch but he seems to vote alot.

But I do think RustyKnight is the most suspicous at the moment. Vote:RustyKnight

I wouldn't say I've voted a lot. I did switch my votes back and forth between DLS and Ferret in order to prevent early lynches and to try and coax Ferret into talking.

at the moment I find rusty suspicious
but I don't think darkO is a genestealer

4 Days left until deadline...

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
0 - lord of the ghosts
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
2 - Rusty Knight (Gornall Lord-Loss)
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
3 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts )
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Dark Lord Seanron
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: n0t_u BrotherStynier Deff Dread red Edition Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Fifty Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vulkan, Lord-Loss, why do you two find me suspicious?

At Gornall; on the topic of bandwagoning. Unfortunately, I think zeal is blinding you. The entirety of your argument against me seems to be because of a trio of rapid vote changes. First voting for the_ferret, then switching to DLS, then switching back to the_ferret. The_ferret had been acting highly suspicious when I voted for him. To blame me for the_ferret's own mistakes is folly at best. Now, looking at the second vote, the one switching for DLS. Personally, I had dragged my feet about voting for DLS; I still thought that the_ferret was the better canidate. When I finally did switch my vote, I had two motivators; firstly, DLS did not look good, especially after the_ferret's attemted suicide (which I and others interpreted as a non-scummy move) and secondly, that evened out the vote balances. My vote took the_ferret away from the brink. How is trying to prolong the day phase scummy behavior? I only switched back to the_ferret after he continued to act scummy and DLS defended himself.

As to an early vote for Drk_o, it was my belief that it was relatively common to put a mid-sized number of votes on people in the early game to get them to talk/defend themselves.

It is only possible to gain a scummy reading from my votes at the end of yesterday if one completely ignores the context of the time and the reasoning behind the votes.

OOC: Wow, I didn't realise how slow this Day phase had been...

IC: We have three days left until Night Phase. We haven't had much to go off of during the current day phase, all we have is yesterday, and even then, there's very little left. We must listen to the voice of the Emperor, and act as he directs.

I guess seeing as it's getting close to the deadline I should probably cast my vote. However, I'm currently on the fence about whether to vote for GND of LoG. Both seem fairly suspicious for me (especially LoG's last vote)

Both have voted for someone for a reason that would work in the random voting phase, but only just work. However now that the game is in it's propper phase the votes seem to be almost made for no reason, or at least not very good reasons.

GND simply because he was voted against.
LoG at first it was a bandwagon vote by the looks of it then quickly covered with "Ohh, I forgot my reason!!
Gnd voted once yesterday. And was voted againist once. By 50. "

RustyKnight seems suspicous to some of them, but if you look at LoG's vote it comes straight after Rusty's vote for GND by saying "I feel like I should:
VOTE: ginger_nid_dude"

People have questioned LoG's reason for voting, but no one has questioned what motivated him to suddenly vote for the same person as Rusty and leave next to no reason. The "Ohh, I forgot my reason!!" and the reason being in the following post could be just a poor cover to the fact that he seemed to be following Rusty. In fact it might have been so bad that it turned out to be good as people questioned the reason and ignored his suspicious behaviour.

I guess then by that reasoning above that the best one of the two for me to vote for now would maybe be LoG.
Also has anyone noticed that the three most suspicious people are currently voting for the same person.
Starting with Drk_O's vote with its standard reason followed by progressivly worse reasons.

Therefore I guess I will VOTE: LoG for the rather suspicious pattern he seems to have made.

rusty there no proff I have
its just a gut feeling thats why I didnt vote for you

n0t_u, while I agree I may not be voting for gnd for the greatest of reasons, but I disagree with you when you said

n0t_u wrote:\People have questioned LoG's reason for voting, but no one has questioned what motivated him to suddenly vote for the same person as Rusty and leave next to no reason. The "Ohh, I forgot my reason!!" and the reason being in the following post could be just a poor cover to the fact that he seemed to be following Rusty. In fact it might have been so bad that it turned out to be good as people questioned the reason and ignored his suspicious behaviour.

I don't particularly think lotg is actually that clever to have done so on purpose. Don't get me wrong, I still think he is the second most suspicious person to me, but it's because he keeps falling flat on what used to be his face so often.

Right now, I'm 51-49% torn between gnd and lotg respectively.

I never said he did it on purpose, it looks more like it's been luck so far.

I do in fact have a reason,if you see the tally I made, 50 and GND both voted for each other, and then in one vote, changed to ferrett, they only had three votes. 50 seems to say "Genestealers will vote for each other to not die" therefore, he say this to point out others than himself.





(EDIT: changed posts to votes)

Interesting logic there, LotG. If 50 really was a genestealer, do you really think that he would point out his survival tactic to us?

I was really just seeing how RustyKnight reacted to a vote. He reacted well and used logic to explain why my vote sucked. Im more suspicous of Gornall now and less suspicous of Rusty.

Im not sure whether to vote for GND or LoG.

Explain your suspicion of me please, Lord Loss.

Well there isnt really much evidence against RustyKnight, as he explained, my vote was simply to see a reaction. I see you have switched your vote back and forth from ferret and DLS alot like others and Im getting bad vibes from you. Call it hunch maybe, I wouldnt vote for you... yet. But Im keeping a close eye on you.


EDIT: I said "guess" instead of "see" by accident

If you look at the timing of the votes, I only switched off of Ferret in order to get him to talk to us and in order to prevent him from getting lynched too quickly. When his answeres were still lackluster, I switched back. I did this ahead of the bandwagon in both cases. I argue that the people who seem to follow the crowd are the ones to be concerned about.

Im just getting bad vibes man, no evidence, apart from this fishy business with Rusty.

Not enough to vote like I said but I'l be watching you.

Mekboy seems to be suspicous, he only seems to talk when a lynch is near and doesnt add much to the conversation. The same with GND.

TBH, I was pretty suspicious of Mekboy, too, until he posted that vote log. (OOC:: He's been kinda quiet in previous games so I don't know if it's anything new this game)

I basically lump GND, DarkO, and LoG all in a category of people that I don't think are adding much to the situation. They either don't say much or what they say is gibberish.

Stynier and DLS are both smart people (OOC:: experience from past games) but they haven't said much either. That kinda makes me leery.

Anyone else concerned that we have so few votes this round? It'd be pretty easy for the traitors to stuff to prevent one of their own from getting lynched.

It has definitely seemed to me that things really slowed down today.

Yeah... and the low number of votes gives the genestealers a distinct advantage.

LoG voting for me makes him seem more suspicious to me. Is it possible that he is a very unintelligent 'stealer putting up a smoke screen of idiocy, and then trying to rather clumsily put the knife on someone actually trying to think about things? After all, being a 'stealer doesn't automatically make you intelligent. I am sure some of them are quite dumb.

Three days to go, right? How is it that DLS has gotten out from under the spotlight? He seemed a stone-cold certainty at one stage to go next. Why have people changed their mind?

g_n_d seemed suspicious to me in the first round - I was even voting for him for a while due to the way he phrased one or two things, so I am not averse to slipping a noose over his head and hanging him from that branch over there, but I'd like to have more dicussion about it first.

Gornall, if he is a 'stealer, is a good one, but I get the same vibe form him that Lord Loss does. However, I'll not vote for him while I have nothing to explain my own feelings.

Mekboy removed some of my doubts with his post-count summary too.

I have not got any read at all on RustyKnight. Others have become suspicious of him, but I've not picked up on anything myself, and I don't just want to go on a bandwagon to lynch him, so...

I think I'll risk appearing like I am jumping on a different bandwagon and VOTE: ginger_nid_dude. If things swing towards LoG, I could be convinced though.

The reason I haven't been as suspicious of DLS is that I thought he was guilty in the context of "working with" Ferret. When Ferret came back innocent, it torpedoed that theory. Since then, he has been VERY quiet and frankly I'm not sure how to read him. (OOC:: Our last game together he fooled me completely until the last day.) He might be worth looking at again.

And I think we have less than 36 hours left.

Hmmm, I would like some kind of defence from GND before I vote and the same from LoG would be nice. >E

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
1 - lord of the ghosts (n0t_u )
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
2 - Rusty Knight (Gornall Lord-Loss)
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
4 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts Fifty)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Dark Lord Seanron
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: BrotherStynier Deff Dread red Edition Dark Lord Seanron Vulkan_He'stan Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Not very much time left... Why do you people voting for GND feel he is the best choice? Why are the rest of you not voting?

I'm watching, trying to figure things out from peoples actions, but after a busy first day we are getting little to follow up on now.

Because too many people are watching and no one is voting. You have to vote to get reactions to watch.

Doesn't really matter because even if you do vote you just get a crappy one post reaction then it goes back to nothing

"Indeed, I must sadly agree with Not_U's statement. Look at the cryptic answers we got back from The_Ferrett. I think this day will conclude with no real usable evidence, leaving us but a few scraps from yesterday. So as the day draws to a close, I can only say that the stealers have won a small victory as we have no real evidence to act upon."

OOC: Sorry for not posting a lot over the weekend guys, my monthly cap was finished.

We were so focused on Ferret and DLS yesterday that we didnt get alot from GND.... I dont think he is a 'stealer. I think he is just a bit silly.

LoG is rather distracting with his behaviour. He might be a 'stealer but just a bad one. I feel there is more chance of LoG being a 'stealer then GND..

Vote: LotG

Greetings,

As a head's up Dark Lord Seanron has been assaulted by the horror known as real life and has been forced to withdraw from the game.

I will be sending out replacement requests shortly and hopefully will have a replacement by the end of the day.

Can we get a 24 extension while you get a replacement?

That seems fair

Arheiner is replacing in for Dark Lord Seanron. (thank you Arheiner!)

I will provide one 24 hour extension to help him catch up and offer his opinions on the game.

There will be no further extensions of Day 2 after this point even if there is another replacement needed.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
2 - lord of the ghosts (n0t_u Lord-Loss)
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
1 - Rusty Knight (Gornall )
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
4 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts Fifty)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: BrotherStynier Deff Dread red Edition Arheiner Vulkan_He'stan Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

EDIT - fixed to reflect correct Lord Loss vote.

Thor, you are a kind and benevolent dictator.

So yeah... still a lot of people not voting or talking. The fewer people voting the more power the stealers have.

Also, Thor, your votes are incorrect. LL is voting for LotG atm.

Lord-Loss wrote:We were so focused on Ferret and DLS yesterday that we didnt get alot from GND.... I dont think he is a 'stealer. I think he is just a bit silly.

LoG is rather distracting with his behaviour. He might be a 'stealer but just a bad one. I feel there is more chance of LoG being a 'stealer then GND..

Vote: LotG

OOC:Think back to the times before this game. I was a bad anything, this is the first time I suvived past the first kill

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:We were so focused on Ferret and DLS yesterday that we didnt get alot from GND.... I dont think he is a 'stealer. I think he is just a bit silly.

LoG is rather distracting with his behaviour. He might be a 'stealer but just a bad one. I feel there is more chance of LoG being a 'stealer then GND..

Vote: LotG

OOC:Think back to the times before this game. I was a bad anything, this is the first time I suvived past the first kill

OOC: LOL

Still, I personally find you to be scummy too. You jumped on the GND bandwagon with DarkO and Rusty pretty fast.

OK, good to be in as I couldn't make the start due to being on holiday. Could someone bring me up to date on what's happened so far, I don't feel like looking through 25 pages. A brief summary from memory will be OK.

Arheiner wrote:OK, good to be in as I couldn't make the start due to being on holiday. Could someone bring me up to date on what's happened so far, I don't feel like looking through 25 pages. A brief summary from memory will be OK.

The ferret got lynched and turned out to be an innocent. People suspected DLS, which is you now, were allied with him and you were both steallers, but that has been disproven because of ferret's death now. In the night phase they killed Emperor's Faithful and he turned out to be an assassin. Now people are suspicious of Rusty, GND, Gornal and LoG. I'd suggest going over the last 5 or so pages to figure out where this day phase is currently at.

Mekboy did a nice voting summary a few pages back if you want to see who voted for who and in what order.

Oh... and DarkO should definately be on the list of people that have been deemed especially suspicious.

I knew I was forgetting someone
Yes DarkO is on the list.

I'm on the naughty list? That makes me a sad panda.

I've already stated my reasons for voting for GND; you can add lack of defensive posts to that last. I will review LoG and Drk_O this evening before the deadline's over.

It's not the naughty list exactly, just the people who have been suspected the most over the day. I think your previous explanation is fine for now.

At the risk of appearing to bandwagon vote, I feel that LotG is the more suspicious of him and GND. LotG has been in several games so far, while GND has just been in this one. However, a summary of why you have been voting as you have would be useful, GND.

From what I've seen, There hasn't really been a 2nd day bandwagon, just gradual votes. All I have to go on is next to nothing ATM, so with what I have

Vote: RustyKnight

Mainly because Over the last few pages all I've seen him do is vote.

You need to put your vote in bold for it to count, Arheiner.

Arheiner wrote:
Vote: RustyKnight

Mainly because Over the last few pages all I've seen him do is vote.

...what I've voted once in the past eight or so pages.

As for GND versus LotG, I am still thinking that GND's outburst was more damning than LotG's general strangeness. To me, GND defending himself against an imaginary attack was the sign of a 'stealer getting worried that he was discovered. I would like to hear from him atleast once more before the end of the day.

I'm loath to vote for LotG, because I think he's a stealer for the same reason I (we) killed the_ferret yesterday; being strange.

I'm rather curious as to why the two major lynchees today are so quiet when one of them will most likely be dying in a few hours.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
2 - lord of the ghosts (n0t_u Lord-Loss)
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
2 - Rusty Knight (Gornall Arheiner)
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
4 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts Fifty)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: BrotherStynier Deff Dread red Edition Vulkan_He'stan Mekboy

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown


Hmm, and I now see Arheiner's vote - it is correct that it is supposed to be in bold so that I notice it while scanning through the thread for votes. I'll add it to the vote tally now since it's pretty clear it was an intended vote and doesn't currently effect the vote standings but I reserve the right to pretty much ignore non-bolded votes either intentionally or unintentionally.

I think we wasted this day with little to no talking or voting. I hope you all are right about GND. However, if I had to guess at a 3-man genestealer team, I still think DarkO, Rusty, and LotG would be my highest suspects.

I kinda agree with you on our use of the day Gornall. I too hope we are right about gnd. I'm not to convinced by my own arguements against him, but it's the best I could go by. I don't have any real arguments against anyone else.

I think I can see how you came to your guess. But I know your wrong. The main reason I know so is that I'm not a Genestealer. I'll have to get back to you on lotg and Rusty though.

I feel like going into a coma.

lord of the ghosts wrote:I feel like going into a coma.

I don't recommend it. It's unsafe.

Everyone will trip on you.

Okay... we have 20 hours left. I say if people don't start speaking up or voting, they should be the ones that get voted for.

OOC:: Guys... not voting in this game does NOTHING. Someone gets lynched even if we don't get the full number of votes. Make a vote, if for no other reason than to limit the amount of influence the genestealers have on the results.

@Thor: Do we have any prods/drops incoming?

I'd hate to agree with someone twice on the same page, but Gornall is right. If you don't vote, you'll make life easier for the genestealers. Which means you Genestealers should at least be saying why you're not voting. WE non Genestealer want to make life AS HARD AS POSSIBLE.

I personally like the idea of extincting a creature who seeks to distroy us.

"Indeed it helps no one that we not vote for whom we suspect." I say staring up at the last faint streams of daylight pouring through the jungle canopy above.

"I must sadly say, between his silly story, rather unexplained votes and general attitude, I have become most suspicious of LotG and am compelled vote for him."

Vote: Lord of the ghosts

Deff Dread, you're echoing EF's arguments against lotg.

lotg explains himself. He's a Space Marine remember? It means he is 100% right 100% of the time.

Sorry I havent posted in a while
ive just had aquick scan through and atm GND stands out as the most suspicious

not a final vote but
vote: ginger nid dude

I definitely think g_n_d is the most suspicious.

Furthermore, he has not posted ay responses since 26th January, and the last two or three have been pretty useless. And he hs been around elsewhere.

As LotG has yet to explain himself.

VOTE: Lord of the Ghosts

Gornall wrote:@Thor: Do we have any prods/drops incoming?

I've been very busy and will happily admit I've been too lazy to be on top of this. Checking over the thread after the last spate of activity I see only GND is currently in arrears as far as posting goes.

He shall be prodded now...in a completely normal and consensual way.

Long as I'm here...
Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
4 - lord of the ghosts (n0t_u Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy)
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
2 - Rusty Knight (Gornall Arheiner)
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
5 - ginger_nid_dude (Drk_O Rusty Knight lord of the ghosts Fifty Vulkan_He'stan)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: BrotherStynier

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - ginger_nid_dude would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Edit - Fixed number next to lotg, list of people voting was correct.

Btw, the vote count for LotG is 4, not 3.

Since this looks like a two-horse race, I'm going to Vote for LotG.

I know GND has been quiet and even somewhat scummy, but too many people that I don't trust are the ones voting for him.

any one want me to answer any questions ????

Vulkan... you seem almost desperate for approval.

Vote: Vulkan_Hestan

That comment was just asking for trouble, if you want to be suspicious, do things like that kiddos.

Trying to draw attention from GND/LotG and onto yourself, Vulkan?

RustyKnight wrote:Trying to draw attention from GND/LotG and onto yourself, Vulkan?

What would be the point of that?

Maybe he is a 'stealer and trying to get votes off him team mates!

Lord-Loss wrote:Maybe he is a 'stealer and trying to get votes off him team mates!

But that doesn't work in this game. Highest total dies at the time limit no matter what (a dynamic that is becoming less and less attractive as we go), so all he would be doing is throwing himself on the grenade. If both of the prime candiates are stealers, then the ploy would do nothing except change which stealer gets killed. If one is innocent and one guilty, then his ploy might pull a vote off of his partner, but could just as well pull one off of the innocent, likely dooming his partner.

I'm not sure what he's up to (guilty conscience maybe?), but trying to save a teammate doesn't seem likely.

Mekboy wrote:As LotG has yet to explain himself.

VOTE: Lord of the Ghosts

What qusetions? I can't find any from you, somaybe this will get a question out of you.
Vote Mekboy

vote: lord of the ghosts

Mekboy did not say you did not answer his questions. But perhaps you're flinching with guilt?

With three hours left, we have to be weary of the Genestealers tipping the balance at the last second

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:With three hours left, we have to be weary of the Genestealers tipping the balance at the last second

Such as yourself? The fact that we're now voting for the same person makes me think that I may have made an error.

@LotG: I think Mekboy meant that you haven't been defending your actions and that you haven't been trying to defend yourself. Why don't you go and explain some your questionable voting practices?

I hope GND manages to post at least one explanation post before the end of the day, but it looks like he's in the clear today.

Sorry, I'd hoped to make a longer post, but I've got an angry Macaw trying to eat my glasses, so I'll be back in a bit.

[edit, ninja'd by RK. @Gornall]

Maybe I voted for the same person as you to make you think that way.

A possibilty, not a fact. I didn't vote for lotg because you did.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:[edit, ninja'd by RK. @Gornall]

Maybe I voted for the same person as you to make you think that way.

A possibilty, not a fact. I didn't vote for lotg because you did.

I'm not saying that you did. I'm just saying that I consider you highly scummy... so if we're both voting for the same person, I've screwed up.

Before the time limit ends, here's something to keep in mind.

It is in our best interest to put pressure on multiple people each day. Today we only had pressure on LotG and GND. It's highly possible that neither of them are stealers, so we did nothing to force the stealers hands. They don't care who we lynch as long as it isn't one of them. They could just sit back while we sat at 4 votes or so and not do anything that could tip their hands. We have to force them to act by getting multiple trains going to where they have to actually do something to save themselves. It's too late to do anything about it today, but anyone who survives today should keep it in mind.

Gornall wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:[edit, ninja'd by RK. @Gornall]

Maybe I voted for the same person as you to make you think that way.

A possibilty, not a fact. I didn't vote for lotg because you did.

I'm not saying that you did. I'm just saying that I consider you highly scummy... so if we're both voting for the same person, I've screwed up.

Not nessisarily, just because we're voting for the same person, doesn't mean we're doing it for the same reasons. Although, it does mean we both think they're a genestealer. If you're also a loyalist that is.

Your speech has become much more coherent late today as compared to yesterday. Compared to manbearpigs and made-up percentages, your last few posts have been the works of Inquisitor Shakespeare. Why the sudden change?

2 Hours till Deadline...


Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - n0t_u
1 - Vulkan_He'stan (Arheiner)
1 - Mekboy ( lord of the ghosts)
6 - lord of the ghosts (n0t_u Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Gornall Drk_O )
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Drk_O (ginger_nid_dude)
3 - ginger_nid_dude ( Rusty Knight Fifty Vulkan_He'stan)
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: BrotherStynier

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - lotg would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Gornall wrote:Your speech has become much more coherent late today as compared to yesterday. Compared to manbearpigs and made-up percentages, your last few posts have been the works of Inquisitor Shakespeare. Why the sudden change?

I'm not sure, maybe I've been sleeping alot more. I've been thinking things through alot more, and better. That, or I'm starting to make sense to you.

Ohhh, and the made up statisitcs were supposed to help. Either way, saying "I'm almost completely sure" would have sufficed.

The final hour is upon us...

(OOC: but do not fear, for Luke Atmey, Ace Detective is on the look out for the nasty Genestealers
)

well, I fear I cannot fend against your flashlights, at least I'll feel all warm and mealty inside, heh.
I must say I will die for the Emperor.



{EDIT: e to E}

You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I'm just saying that you went from a jester role (OOC:: in previous games and this one) to someone putting together fairly coherent arguments.

(OOC: Didn't I do that last time as well? I almost died, and was almost completely serious afterwards...)

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

I know Gornall is around here somewhere. It's still possible to get others to vote gnd over you.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

I know Gornall is around here somewhere. It's still possible to get others to vote gnd over you.

In 29 minutes? Noes.

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

I know Gornall is around here somewhere. It's still possible to get others to vote gnd over you.

In 29 minutes? Noes.

It's possible. Anything can happen.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

I know Gornall is around here somewhere. It's still possible to get others to vote gnd over you.

In 29 minutes? Noes.

It's possible. Anything can happen.

I guess, hey thor, can I kill myself?

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:You say you "must say [you] will die for the Emperor". Why is it that you think that you must say it?

(OOC:1 hour 4 mins left)

I am a sevant of the Emperor, if I die now, who can say that for me?

Hmmm, well, you should have said so. A genestealer would have to say "I shall die for the Emperor" to potentially turn away voters...

(37 mins left)

hardly anyone is listening(online), why would I do that?

I know Gornall is around here somewhere. It's still possible to get others to vote gnd over you.

In 29 minutes? Noes.

It's possible. Anything can happen.

I guess, hey thor, can I kill myself?

Can't wait 19 mins?

lord of the ghosts wrote:I guess, hey thor, can I kill myself?

There is no rule denying you the ability to vote for yourself. Just make sure you believe it is a good tactic for you and whichever team you are on before you do so.

No more pyramids please.

And it's never a good tactic.

Vote: Dark_O

The more you have talked, the more convinced I have become that our gaze should have focused on you today. I know it is likely too late, but I have to try.

Gornall wrote:Vote: Dark_O

The more you have talked, the more convinced I have become that our gaze should have focused on you today.

With 6 mins left, I don't think you voting for me will amount to much...

If LotG is innocent, my money is on DarkO, Rusty, and Vulkan. (in case I get offed tonight)

[Edit Ninja'd meant to be joined on the last post.]

'Sides, alot of focus was on me yesterday. If you have some point to raise, I don't think it'll do anything in the next 2 mins. Save them for tomorrow.

[Ninja'd by time itself. I was 5 mins fast]

Nigh Night. Sweet Dreams. I hope to see you all nice and healthy in the morning, so we can get an early start to the day and give those Genestealers alittle hell.

There hadn’t been much talking today.

Maybe there hadn’t been a need to?

Muttered suspicions, furtive glances, a few lame attempts at humor that you even laughed at just to try to pretend everything was normal. But you all knew why you were here, and you all knew what needed to be done.

That weird kid in the corner who was always claiming to be some sort of awesomely outlandish thing had just seemed so suspicious. Really, you had to ask why you hadn’t shot him yesterday. But overall you all seemed fairly convinced about the choice today. It was obvious really, he was a Genestealer, had to be.

“I’m not a Genestealer,” he shouted as the votes were tallied. “I’m a Space Marine!”

“Well,” sneered Gornall, “then I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to handle a few las pistol rounds to the chest then.”

“Wait, I’m not just a Space Marine, I’m a psychic Space Marine!”

“…buh?”

“I’ll fry your minds if you try to shoot me,” he waved his hands about mysteriously,” can you feel my presence in your mind? OOOOooooWEEEEoooooo.”

“You’re making that noise with your mouth.”

“Am not.”

“Don’t be fooled by this act, let’s totally shoot him in the face.”

“OOOOooooWEEEEoooooo.”

Everyone pulled out their weapons and readied to fire. At the last second Gornall suddenly screamed that Drk_O was obviously to blame but his cries came just in time to be silenced by a barrage of las blasts. Through the sickening cloud of ozone stench mixed with burnt flesh a dry chuckle could be heard.

“See, told you, I blocked those blasts with the power of my mind!”

LOTG managed a dry laugh before he toppled face first onto the ground – quite dead from the large smoking hole in his chest. In moments you are on him as you check the body for any evidence…and find a large pamphlet titled “How to disguise your evil Genestealer habits behind a safety screen of Zombie Teenage Psychic Space Marine: A guide to Tyrannic Infiltration Success”





lord of the ghosts was a Genestealer!

As night approaches you return to your secured sleeping spot, feeling a little bit more confident about the dawn. One down – two to go; the xenos were in for a fight.

Day 2 is over.
Night 2 has now begun.
If you are a Genestealer you may now PM your allies to discuss who you wish to kill – please have someone PM me that information. If you are a power role that has a night action you may also now PM me with your targets. If you’re a regular Imperial Citizen then good luck surviving the night.
Night Phase will end at the deadline or when I have received all night actions – whichever comes first.
Night 2 Deadline Countdown

Just a friendly reminder (though now that we've upgraded to countdown timers we wonder at the need) but it is roughly halfway through Night Phase 2 - remember that any actions not received prior to deadline will not count.

In your dreams, you smell a foul odor, and hear a chuckel. You served the emperor... I was, in fact, once a Space marine, then I was implanted with xenos... I wish (OOC; not realy) you Imperals live...

I apologize for the late start of Day 3 - I was incredibly sick yesterday and spent the day mostly just moaning pathetically while driving a porcelain bus. I'm modifying the deadline for Day 3 since I don't want the deadline to be this early in the morning. I'll also apologize ahead of time for the cruddy story post, I'm too sick to feel like putting effort into it.
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Rain - there's lots of it, and it's miserable here (almost as miserable as having a really bad stomach virus). There's probably lots of mud, green lightning, and other such oddities involved as well.

You wake up to discover that some really horrible and unpleasant things were done to one of your fellows. Not Michael Bay 'gods I wish I hadn't seen this and saved some money' unpleasant - but Rob Zombie 'I want to wash my eyeballs in lye' unpleasant.

n0t_u - loyal imperial citizen - has been killed in the night!

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Day 3 starts now.

Deadline Countdown for Day 3

I didnt see that coming.... N0t_u was quite and in my opinion. He wasnt very suspicous but he didnt talk an awful alot. So I was keeping a close eye on him.

My main suspects are Vulkan and 'Nid. I can see the possible team now but Im not ruling out anyone else.

I feel the same way bout not_u.

Now, if LotG was a 'stealer, I think we can assume he was their weak link...

I feel the others will be better hidden, but for the first time we have a definite lead. We need to figure out who else was working with him. Top of my list is still g_n_d. I don't feel either one was trying to incriminate the other to save their own hide, so I wonder if that is a link?

I see your reasons for thinking Vulkan, but I don't feel the same way about them.

I don't find RustyKnight all that suspicious at the moment, but that could change.

Lots of people are very very quiet. Maybe we should use our votes to put some pressure on the quiet ones?

Vote: Brother Stynier, but I'll be perfectly happy to change that vote if I see evidence in posts from him that he is both active and my suspicions are unfounded - I'd really like him to help us put pressure on g_n_d and other quiet people.

I think I owe DarkO an apology....

After I put my vote on LotG to tie things up (with the tiebreaker going to GND) he switched over, basically sealing LotGs fate. So either he is innocent or both him and GND are guilty. Because DarkO had pressure on GND all day yesterday, I think the first option is more likely. His newfound ability to talk coherently really threw me, but it looks like there isn't likely any malice there.

I agree with your assessment Fifty... to an extent. The LotG train never got rolling until late yesterday, so it's quite possible that GND was innocent and never had an opportunity to throw LotG under the bus. I still find GND to be suspicious and also Vulkan. I'm still unsure about Rusty, but I think it is secondary compared to those two. I'm going to look back over the votes again and see what kind of light it shines on the events.

Currently looking for a replacement for ginger_nid_dude.


Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Vulkan_He'stan
0 - Mekboy
1 - BrotherStynier (Fifty)
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Drk_O
0 - ginger_nid_dude
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Gornall Drk_O Rusty Knight Vulkan_He'stan Arheiner BrotherStynier ginger_nid_dude

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Brother Stynier would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Anyone else find it suspicious that GND just drops off the map once we put him under intense scrutiny?

As for Vulkan; why do y'all find him suspicious? Is it just his general quietness coupled with that bizarre eagerness to please? For me, his explanation for his silence bugs me. He said school was interfering, but he's only 13. I can't see school taking up so much time that he can't take ten minutes out of his day to review the developments and make a small paragraph. But I don't know, I don't think that's enought to convict him just yet. However, I do want to see some real talk from him, so Vote: Vulkan_He'stan.

Sorry, did I miss anything?

I apologise for my quietness (OOC coursework). I should be able to contribute more to this xenos hunt

The only person that I find suspicious is dark o from the first day. This could change dependant on what else happens

(OOC: I hope you get well soon Thor)

I thought there was something odd about lotg, and not just his face.

In anycase, we lost another innocent overnight. At least now we know he is n0t a genestealer.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Sorry, did I miss anything?

I apologise for my quietness (OOC coursework). I should be able to contribute more to this xenos hunt

The only person that I find suspicious is dark o from the first day. This could change dependant on what else happens

We didn't lynch you, we lynched lotg, who was a genie.

Thats about it really.

Fifty wrote:

Vote: Brother Stynier, but I'll be perfectly happy to change that vote if I see evidence in posts from him that he is both active and my suspicions are unfounded - I'd really like him to help us put pressure on g_n_d and other quiet people.

You're trying to pressure me into talking by voting for me, and then state that you want me to help you with g_n_d. What if at this time I don't find him as suspicious as the rest? Not saying that I don't, just stating that you idea of 'redemption' through voting for those you want me to vote for as odd. I do find some of his actions odd, but I am not sold on it, maybe rather than me voting because you want me to you should sell me on the idea first?


Anyway why should I trust you? Its likely you and Gornall could be working together, trying now to right the errors of your weak link. You could easily have decided to go for n0t-u thinking he was important for some reason. Then again I could be wrong, and there could be some vast conspiracy involving Vulkan and one of others you have named. I'm still not sure either of you are innocent. So I watch, and I study, hoping to find things that dont add up, if I had things of value to add on a regular basis I would.

BrotherStynier wrote: Anyway why should I trust you? Its likely you and Gornall could be working together, trying now to right the errors of your weak link.

Just to point out, if I was a Genstealer, I would have never have cast my vote on LotG, unless GND is also a genestealer, which would leave no room left for Fifty.

In any case, I think Fifty's vote for you has had at least one desired effect... it got you talking, something you hadn't done in what seems like quite a while. I do agree that it could be interpreted as an attempt at strong-arm tactics to get you to vote his way, though.

OOC:: I am still digging out from the snow and whatnot, but I'll be back later.

I'm not remotely interested in whether you put pressure specifically on gnd right now, to be honest, regardless of what I said previously, but I'd like to see everyone involved. I know I am not the most talkative person around here, but others are far less so than even me.

What do you think about some of the other quiet people, like Arheiner, then? It is hard to make up my mind about people when they do not say much. It is a good idea to watch what other people are saying, sure, but we can't get a read on you. If I were a genestealer, wouldn't I be quite pleased about people being quiet, as they can't be asking me questions, like you are doing now? I wouldn't need to hear you talking, as I'd know you are not a 'stealer anyway.

Lord Loss has his suspicions about Vulkan, not me. Sure, I can see Lord-Loss's reasons, but they just don't stack up to enough for me at the moment. I am still not sure of DLS, although attention seems to have fallen away from him at the moment. Dark_O makes me wonder, and Arheiner is also very quiet.

Glad you are still paying close attention anyway.

Vote: Arheiner

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Sorry, did I miss anything?

I apologise for my quietness (OOC coursework). I should be able to contribute more to this xenos hunt

The only person that I find suspicious is dark o from the first day. This could change dependant on what else happens

I'm really sorry to do this to you GND, but when you didn't pick up on my prod PM I started seeking around for a replacement. I'm afraid you've been replaced. I am sorry, if you'd posted even by noonish today I could have aborted but I already accepted the replacement. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

To everyone else - please welcome Dastardly Dan who is replacing GND.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


1 - Vulkan_He'stan (Rusty Knight)
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Drk_O
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
1 - Arheiner (Fifty)
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Gornall Drk_O Vulkan_He'stan Arheiner BrotherStynier Dastardly Dan

With 13 alive it is 7 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Fifty wrote:I'm not remotely interested in whether you put pressure specifically on gnd right now, to be honest, regardless of what I said previously, but I'd like to see everyone involved. I know I am not the most talkative person around here, but others are far less so than even me.

What do you think about some of the other quiet people, like Arheiner, then? It is hard to make up my mind about people when they do not say much. It is a good idea to watch what other people are saying, sure, but we can't get a read on you. If I were a genestealer, wouldn't I be quite pleased about people being quiet, as they can't be asking me questions, like you are doing now? I wouldn't need to hear you talking, as I'd know you are not a 'stealer anyway.

Lord Loss has his suspicions about Vulkan, not me. Sure, I can see Lord-Loss's reasons, but they just don't stack up to enough for me at the moment. I am still not sure of DLS, although attention seems to have fallen away from him at the moment. Dark_O makes me wonder, and Arheiner is also very quiet.

Glad you are still paying close attention anyway.

Vote: Arheiner

Fifty, you're starting to make ME wonder.

Arheiner=Dark Lord Seanron (please read back a few pages)

You could be a Genestealer claiming to be doing something a Genestealer wouldn't do, because you claim a Genestealer wouldn't do it.

What do I make you wonder about?

The one time when I act like I'm not suspicious I really aren't


See you all at the end of this, provided I remember and somehow I find out about it.


*leaves thread*

Thor665 wrote:

To everyone else - please welcome Dastardly Dave who is replacing GND.

OOC-fixed

Anyway, Hi all, i'm afraid GND had to have a personality transplant, so I am now him.

Suspision wise I think i'll be withholding my vote for now, but I have got a suspisious list, so those who are on it should tread carefully.

Gornall wrote:

Just to point out, if I was a Genstealer, I would have never have cast my vote on LotG, unless GND is also a genestealer, which would leave no room left for Fifty.

In any case, I think Fifty's vote for you has had at least one desired effect... it got you talking, something you hadn't done in what seems like quite a while. I do agree that it could be interpreted as an attempt at strong-arm tactics to get you to vote his way, though.

OOC:: I am still digging out from the snow and whatnot, but I'll be back later.

I would have spoken more had there been anything relevant to speak of, a miss place vote is relevant. While I was simply using you and Fifty working together as an example I do think that Fifty could be one of the Genestealers playing the whole, speak more and claim it as something a genestealer wouldn't do. I've heard of that before, and I think LotG may have used that one as well. I'll have to go back through our logs.

ATM I find dark o suspicious
someone said school doesnt take up that much time
its going bettween my mums and dads thats the problem

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Arheiner=Dark Lord Seanron (please read back a few pages)

You could be a Genestealer claiming to be doing something a Genestealer wouldn't do, because you claim a Genestealer wouldn't do it.

What do I make you wonder about?

Er... how did I miss that? :/ ((I blame the agonising pain in my teeth and the powerful prescription pains in my teeth... ))

Well, you still have not said much.

However, I do think the onus is on Dastardly Dave to prove himself now...

Fifty wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Arheiner=Dark Lord Seanron (please read back a few pages)

You could be a Genestealer claiming to be doing something a Genestealer wouldn't do, because you claim a Genestealer wouldn't do it.

What do I make you wonder about?

Er... how did I miss that? :/ ((I blame the agonising pain in my teeth and the powerful prescription medication!!... ))

Well, you still have not said much.

However, I do think the onus is on Dastardly Dave to prove himself now...

Unvote

Fifty wrote:

Er... how did I miss that? :/ ((I blame the agonising pain in my teeth and the powerful prescription pains in my teeth... ))

Well, you still have not said much.

However, I do think the onus is on Dastardly Dave to prove himself now...

Ok, but that'll be difficult to do, at least until I've talked a bit, using rational arguments. After all, any one of us could be a 'stealer, so without solid proof, its impossible to prove oneself.

As for my suspicions, I would say that its often the ones who make the most noise that I find suspicisious, as what better way to hide than to stay right out in the open, where nobody will look for you, (if you see what I mean) and gradually steer the votes in the wrong direction. (OOC: DLS did this fantasticly in game 1)

One simple thing that we can do is compare who voted for Ferret versus who voted for LotG.

I think I voted for ferret for a while then changed to Dark o but I never voted for lotg

I could post another list of all of yesterday's votes, if it was wanted.

Please do that.

I was looking back over the votes on Day 2 and something weird jumped out at me... why when the vote was tied (5 GND 5 LotG with the tiebreaker killing GND) did LotG switch his vote off of GND to Mekboy?

Also, for Day 1 the following people voted for Ferret's Lynch:

ginger_nid_dude
Emperor's Faithful
Drk_O
Deff Dread red Edition
Gornall
Fifty
Rusty Knight

The following people did NOT vote for LotG's final lynch on Day 2:
Gornall
Rusty Knight
Fifty
Vulkan_He'stan
ginger_nid_dude/Dastardly Dan
DLS/Arnheiner
Stynier (didn't vote)

If you look at the names that are common on both lists, I think it gives a real short list of suspects:
Gornall
Fifty
Rusty Knight
GND/DD

That leaves four pretty solid suspects, including myself. However, if you look at my votes, it was my vote that put LotG in danger by putting him into a tie with GND. If I was working with LotG that would be a pretty lousy plan. What does everyone think about this group of people?

I knew before you had even posted it that I would be on both lists.

Now, while it is very unlikely that a 'stealer would vote for LotG, it is far from as certain that they would have voted for ferret on the first day, as long as the second place person was not a 'stealer. That actually makes me think DLS/Arheiner is less suspicious after all.

I've been pretty solid in my suspicions of gnd since early on, mainly because of the way he phrased one or two things, and the switch to a new player leaves me no less suspicious, especially as he has instantly pointed the finger at people who are talking a lot, and recently that has been me. The voting pattern of LotG is highly suspect.

I've never had a read on RustyKnight, as I've said elsewhere. As long as Gornall had time to remove his vote on LotG, it need not have been fatal (It was not just one vote from lynching, was it?), though, with the way the voting works, I admit it would have been very very risky and left LotG exposed for a long time.

If it was obvious that LotG was close to a lynch, then a 'stealer might have voted for him, to avoid suspicon next day. So we cant look to closely at what Gornall posted.

Lord-Loss wrote:If it was obvious that LotG was close to a lynch, then a 'stealer might have voted for him, to avoid suspicon next day. So we cant look to closely at what Gornall posted.

That's the thing, though.... GND was the one close to a lynch the entire day, and looked more like the inevitiable lynch than LotG. That and the people that stayed on GND were voting for him pretty much all day. Like you said, it's not a smoking gun, but it's something to work with.

Fifty wrote: As long as Gornall had time to remove his vote on LotG, it need not have been fatal (It was not just one vote from lynching, was it?), though, with the way the voting works, I admit it would have been very very risky and left LotG exposed for a long time.

Like you said, with the way the voting system works, it would have been too much risk for way too little gain if I was a genestealer and voted for LotG. By putting them into a tie with each other, especially fairly late in the day, it meant that any single vote on LotG would be fatal for him. And had I been a genestealer, when I realized that LotG was probably going to get lynched, I would have been better off leaving my vote on LotG to avoid suspicion or throwing it back on GND and hoping LotG would be online and vote for GND to save himself. Instead, I voted for DarkO because I thought he was trying to pull a fast one at the end by switching his vote.

I still haven't had time to look over all the Day 1 votes again, and I'm waiting anxiously for Mekboy's Day 2 list. Once I get a chance to read over those, maybe I can find something a little more concrete.

GND (DLS)
drk o (GND)
Rusty (GND)
lotg (GND)
Gornall (Rusty)
LL (Rusty)
not you (lotg)
50 (GND)
LL (lotg)
Arheiner (Rusty)
Deff Dread (lotg)
Vulkan (GND)
Mekboy (lotg)
Gornall (lotg)
Arheiner (Vulkan)
lotg (mekboy)
Drk O (lotg)
Gornall (Drk O)

I think that's it. A lot less jumping around with votes yesterday.

is the one in the brackets being voted for???

Yes. Same as the last list.

could every one say who they find the most suspicious at the moment
I find Dark O suspicious at the moment

Fifty wrote:
I've been pretty solid in my suspicions of gnd since early on, mainly because of the way he phrased one or two things, and the switch to a new player leaves me no less suspicious, especially as he has instantly pointed the finger at people who are talking a lot, and recently that has been me. The voting pattern of LotG is highly suspect.

Why is this suspiscious? As I said, DLS pulled this off very well in game 1, which makes me think that It's either an excellent tactic and/or a common one.

Also, People not voting for LotG proves nothing, as everyone agreed he was the stealers weak link, The other stealers could have voted for him without worry in order to make themselves appear innocent.

Clearly, I am not GND, so I can't tell you why he voted as he did, I do think that some of his posts may have looked slightly suspect however.

so who do you find suspicious???

I used to find Gornall suspicious, but looking back at previous posts I think this was slightly unjustified. Currently my suspicions rest with fifty, as he seemed very eager to incriminate me due to GNDs lack of useful posts (OOC: for which he had good reason, i.e coursework, and we've all been there.) and also his immediate suspicion of me because I pointed out a possible genestealer tactic which I had noticed in the last couple of games, I wasn't expicitly refering to him, (in fact I hadn't even considered him before that post) but he seemed to take it as if I had.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:could every one say who they find the most suspicious at the moment
I find Dark O suspicious at the moment

Why, got anything to back that up?

as ive said at the moment its just a hunch
missed it out that time
who do you find suspicious????

"Hunches do no one any good."

"As for who I find suspicious, Vulkan_He'stan is my primary suspect at the moment. For the simple fact, that he does much the same as LOTG did. He darts in every now and then, makes a rather silly vote, backed by an equally silly reason for doing as such."

At the moment, I'm interested in three people. Ever since his odd postings at the end of yesterday I've begun to suspect Vulkan, and with his new posts (which are similar to LotG's, as DDRE said). I'm also watching Dastardly Dave like a hawk, as I was ready to lynch GND yesterday. My final person of interest is Arheiner. DLS was a suspect day one, and I don't like how he made up a reason to vote for me. But, maybe that's just personal feelings clouding my judgement. I'm still not liking Drk_O as a suspect. As far as I know, the only things against him are a string of silly posts early on (like first few pages) and trying to get LotG to actually post there at the end. Having a suspect try to defend himself is good for us. Course, lotg ended up being a genestealer, so meh.

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

I'm going to have to side with Dave for the time being, given the vote that was an attempt to twist my arm into voting for those the Fifty could know not to be genestealers, those not talking much. It could be very likely that the genestealers are the most vocal this round as apparent with Lotg.

Now with Dave stepping into gnd's shoes and making an off hand remark about how he feels the most vocal could be the genestealers, something I had stated before his arrival. Fifty has taken to this comment rather defensively when he was not directly accused of anything.

He did how ever only vote once yesterday (for GND), which means little actually, he may have been trying to cover his tracks.

Fifty now having seen that one of his fellow genestealers is dead, and the prey he wanted lynched yesterday still alive he's attempting the same thing today. Why didn't they kill him last night you may ask? Well obviously they viewed GND as a weak link, someone they could easily get lynched the next day do to suspicion. Now that there is a new person in GND's shoes, that wont be as easy.

VOTE: Fifty

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


1 - Vulkan_He'stan (Rusty Knight)
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Drk_O
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Gornall Drk_O Fifty Vulkan_He'stan Arheiner Dastardly Dan

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ATM I find dark o suspicious
someone said school doesnt take up that much time
its going bettween my mums and dads thats the problem

I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you find me suspicious, then talking about something completely irrelevant, or is it a metaphor.

Dastardly Dave wrote:
Ok, but that'll be difficult to do, at least until I've talked a bit, using rational arguments. After all, any one of us could be a 'stealer, so without solid proof, its impossible to prove oneself.

As for my suspicions, I would say that its often the ones who make the most noise that I find suspicisious, as what better way to hide than to stay right out in the open, where nobody will look for you, (if you see what I mean) and gradually steer the votes in the wrong direction. (OOC: DLS did this fantasticly in game 1)

So you find those who hide in the light the most suspicious. It's an interesting thought... There is something to remember when thinking this way. You might find more of the faithful than traitors.

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

Yeah... and Rusty has been giving me a scummy vibe, too. Especially when coupled with his prescence on my short list. However, Fifty hasn't really given me the same vibe.

BrotherStynier wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You doubt that its possible? I never said I was certain, I just noted that two suspects had both had to drop out of the game. Forgive me for musing out loud, I assumed it would be better than sitting in silence.

It's infeasible enough that people could argue that it's a smoke-screen.

RustyKnight wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You doubt that its possible? I never said I was certain, I just noted that two suspects had both had to drop out of the game. Forgive me for musing out loud, I assumed it would be better than sitting in silence.

Its not just that, its that you implied that they did this purposefully in order to through people off.

BrotherStynier wrote:... this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You mean he could be an Imperial Citizen trying to bring this whole thing back to life too?

BrotherStynier wrote:I'm going to have to side with Dave for the time being, given the vote that was an attempt to twist my arm into voting for those the Fifty could know not to be genestealers, those not talking much. It could be very likely that the genestealers are the most vocal this round as apparent with Lotg.

Now with Dave stepping into gnd's shoes and making an off hand remark about how he feels the most vocal could be the genestealers, something I had stated before his arrival. Fifty has taken to this comment rather defensively when he was not directly accused of anything.

He did how ever only vote once yesterday (for GND), which means little actually, he may have been trying to cover his tracks.

Fifty now having seen that one of his fellow genestealers is dead, and the prey he wanted lynched yesterday still alive he's attempting the same thing today. Why didn't they kill him last night you may ask? Well obviously they viewed GND as a weak link, someone they could easily get lynched the next day do to suspicion. Now that there is a new person in GND's shoes, that wont be as easy.

VOTE: Fifty

I didn't ever try to twist your arm to vote, I tried to twist your arm to get involved, by talking, voting, the whole package. You've perked up a lot now, haven't you? Not a post for two pages (or maybe one, not certain), and now you are talking.

[sarcasm]As for my marvellous strategy, I am not sure it is massively successful, seeing as how you are now voting for. One for my fellow 'stealers to take note of in future games, don't you think?[/sarcasm]

Just because accusations are not direct, it does not mean they are not obvious. How is voting for gnd covering my tracks? If I wanted to do that, I would have switched my vote at some stage to LotG like I was thinking of all along. We know LotG was a 'stealer, whereas some of us think gnd is one.

Let's look at the more suspect folk around. Who did LotG target, for one thing? Who did he talk about? Surely far more convincing evidence is his late voting changes? I'll go with actual evidence over being peeved at someone getting me out of my shell and actually talking, thanks.

Fifty wrote:
I didn't ever try to twist your arm to vote, I tried to twist your arm to get involved, by talking, voting, the whole package. You've perked up a lot now, haven't you? Not a post for two pages (or maybe one, not certain), and now you are talking.

You mentioned voting for those you thought should be voted for, I will vote for those I feel like voting for.

[sarcasm]As for my marvellous strategy, I am not sure it is massively successful, seeing as how you are now voting for. One for my fellow 'stealers to take note of in future games, don't you think?[/sarcasm]

This is just silly, trying to be petty because I am calling you out on something that could be done, genestealers in past games have hidden in plain sight and to great effect. They have also managed to twist people's arms into getting them to vote for people that don't handle themselves well, GND being an example of someone not handling themselves well. So before you go shooting off your trap I suggest you look at how things have gone previously. So I'll remain suspicious of those that talk the most thanks. I've done four or so of these, this is what your first?

Just because accusations are not direct, it does not mean they are not obvious. How is voting for gnd covering my tracks? If I wanted to do that, I would have switched my vote at some stage to LotG like I was thinking of all along. We know LotG was a 'stealer, whereas some of us think gnd is one.

You are attempting to accomplish what you couldn't yesterday, kill off Dave (GND). You hoped to do it yesterday and failed now you wish to try and take advantage of the fact that like Lotg he had not been making much sense. Funny that both you and Rusty seem distrustful of the fact that Dave has taken his place.

Let's look at the more suspect folk around. Who did LotG target, for one thing? Who did he talk about? Surely far more convincing evidence is his late voting changes? I'll go with actual evidence over being peeved at someone getting me out of my shell and actually talking, thanks.

Well yesterday, he (LOTG) voted for Mekboy and GND voted for DLS one of those I believe you have mentioned as shifty or was that Rusty, sometimes it seems you argue the same thing. So you see I am using what I can as evidence, being brought out of my shell has little to do with it, mainly it was the manner in which you did, you implied that you wanted me to vote the way you did.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ATM I find dark o suspicious
someone said school doesnt take up that much time
its going bettween my mums and dads thats the problem

I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you find me suspicious, then talking about something completely irrelevant, or is it a metaphor.

what im saying is I find you suspicious but I dont have any proof

and someone said school doesnt take up much time but thats half the day then some days
I have to go bettween my mums house and my dads house

I don't find it suspicious that gnd was replaced.

I found gnd suspicious due to his own statements and actions.

If gnd was a 'stealer, and I think he was, then, by default, Dave is one too. Thus, he is on my suspect list.

Reiterate what exactly makes him suspicious, especially given our knowledge that LotG was a genestealer. I'm not sure if I ever saw it clearly stated.

I think we need to all voice who we find suspicous then say why. I'd like some more talking from Dave as we dont have much from him.

Suspicous: Vulkan He'stan, he bandwagoned onto Drk_Oblit day one, talked about wanting to make him 'squirm' and acted strange through day two In my opinion.

Suspicous: Gornall, just because of some bad vibes, I wouldnt act on it but Im keeping an eye out.

Thats all I really got for the moment.

thats what I keep saying I just getting some bad vibes
but I dont have any proof
vote: dark o

I think Vulkan has been acting very cagey and generally suspicious. He keeps saying that he thinks DarkO should be lynched, but doesn't offer ANY evidence. That and he has made several comments that made me go "wut?"

I think Fifty and Rusty are fairly suspicious given the results of their voting the past two days and their insistence on GND as a suspect.

GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

"Chief on my suspect list is still Vulkan, he voted along the same lines as LotG. Although this does not by any means make him a genestealer, it is still highly suspicious if someone out of the random pops in and makes votes based off,'bad vibes,' or other such silly things."

Gornall wrote:GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

OOC:That could be because he isn't playing any more , or am I to be labeled with the title of GND for the rest of the game?

All this stuff about 'bad vibes' may seem a bit weird, but they can be helpful on occasion I expect. After all, the vibes have to come from somewhere (unless you're a 'stealer making votes to create suspiscion.) Mind you, you should probably try and back up any vibes you have with evidence, or at least look a little further than your gut instict before voting solely on the basis of 'vibes'

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:thats what I keep saying I just getting some bad vibes
but I dont have any proof
vote: dark o

Your voting off a hunch? Thats too far. Voice your suspicons but dont vote for him unless you have evidence to back the vote up.

Vote: Vulkan He'stan

Dastardly Dave wrote:

Gornall wrote:GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

OOC:That could be because he isn't playing any more , or am I to be labeled with the title of GND for the rest of the game?

All this stuff about 'bad vibes' may seem a bit weird, but they can be helpful on occasion I expect. After all, the vibes have to come from somewhere (unless you're a 'stealer making votes to create suspiscion.) Mind you, you should probably try and back up any vibes you have with evidence, or at least look a little further than your gut instict before voting solely on the basis of 'vibes'

GND is right. If you're going to talk the talk, at least be able to walk the walk.

To play devil's advocate, I'm going to Vote for Rusty Knight

He's been giving off bad vibes the entire time and because he was so adamant about GND/DD. Also, his votes put him voting for an innocent but not for the traitor. That and him and Fifty seem to be a hair too chummy IMO.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


2 - Vulkan_He'stan (Rusty Knight Lord-Loss )
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
1 - Rusty Knight ( Gornall)
1 - Drk_O (Vulkan_He'stan )
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Drk_O Fifty Arheiner Dastardly Dan

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote: Vulkan_He'stan

I voted for him last round and I'm sticking with it for this round. Plus, all he's done today is ask who do you find suspicious and even admitting he's got no proof on those he does. Adds up to a Genestealer cultist if you ask me.

unvote: dark o
If you look back over the pages there have been many bad vibe votes how come only now some of you don't like it

"Those,'bad vibe,' votes have been accompanied with general explanations as to why certain people are getting said vibes. Your most in depth one I believe was something akin to he said something scummy, and that gives me a bad vibe. Unvoting like that also just makes me think you are a genestealer trying to appease us by removing your vote. As it seems but the slightest pressure was a applied to make you do as such. I still hold great suspicion regarding you Vulkan and I think must now say, Vote:Vulkan_He'stan"

Vulkan is now at L-2. Does he have any interactions with LotG that help us decide whether he is guilty or not? Have they voted together/against each other? Remember, we no longer have to look at everyone in isolation, as we know that LotG is guilty.

TBH, Vulkan hasn't really said much, apart from a few filler posts and reasons why he isn't posting, but would a genestealer post without reason? Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

We've still got 10 days left before the deadline though, so unless we're 100% certain he's a Genestealer shouldn't we back off perhaps one vote to allow him to attempt to defend himself?

In all fairness, LotG didn't exactly post with reason. That said; Unvote:Vulkan. I'd rather not have a pair of 'stealers pop in and quick lynch him.

Gornall wrote:
He's been giving off bad vibes the entire time and because he was so adamant about GND/DD. Also, his votes put him voting for an innocent but not for the traitor. That and him and Fifty seem to be a hair too chummy IMO.

What evidence was there for LotG? The fact that he kept posting nonsense. GND did the same thing, but he droped off the rader and stopped digging a hole. If GND had kept posting nonsense and LotG had stopped posting, we could very easily have killed GND yesterday. Furthermore, GND has the same voting predicament as me, as well as you. I'll admit, the Fifty thing surprises me, but we really haven't interacted. What exactly do you mean too chummy?

Can we stop it with this "vibes" nonsense? It's worse than useless at this point.

I'm going to stick with the vibe comments because I can't explain it any other way. Just some people seem to be providing more useful feedback to the group, making them seem less scummy IMO. I don't use it as any more than a hunch/tie-breaker, though, as we also have plenty of evidence that we can leverage.

The reason I say you and Fifty seem to be chummy is that you have voted for the same people yesterday and today and used very similar reasoning.

I will admit that there is little difference between GND and LotG in the way they acted, so I would not be broken up if he was lynched today.

Yeah, I am surprised at linking me and RustyKnight as well. I've said I can't get read on him. I suppose that could be costrued as trying to accuse, without tying us together, which perversely ties us more closely, but that makes my brain start to hurt...

Mind you, my real name is Russell, which some funny wags like to abbreviate to Rusty, so maybe there is something in it.

I don't suppose anyone feels up to the job of counting up posts since it was last done? I would, but I think I prefer the idea of going to bed.

Vulkan, that last couple of comments suddenly makes you look very suspicious. Voting, then immediately unvoting the moment someone puts pressure on you means that even if you're not a 'stealer they can easily stop you from doing anything useful.

Dastardly Dave wrote: Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

GND, IIRC, you're the only one who is suspicious of me.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


3 - Vulkan_He'stan (Lord-Loss Arheiner Deff Dread red Edition )
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
1 - Rusty Knight ( Gornall)
0 - Drk_O
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Drk_O Fifty Dastardly Dan Vulkan_He'stan Rusty Knight

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote:BrotherStynier

The more I look at his reasons for going off the handle at Fifty, the less they make sense. Fifty votes for Stynier, saying he's only doing to so to get Stynier to help put pressure on quiet people. Then Stynier goes into a rage about how Fifty is trying to coerce Stynier into voting how Fifty wants him to. I dunno, seems like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus we're in a rut, and this should at least bring people's attention back. Course, Stynier and Gornall will both now accuse me of conspiring with Fifty, but feth 'em. I'm not going to let allegations with nothing more than gut feeling and similarities that I share with half the players stop me from investigating leads.

Vulkan, please give evidence of some scummy behaviour of Drk_Oblit.

RustyKnight wrote:Vote:BrotherStynier

The more I look at his reasons for going off the handle at Fifty, the less they make sense. Fifty votes for Stynier, saying he's only doing to so to get Stynier to help put pressure on quiet people. Then Stynier goes into a rage about how Fifty is trying to coerce Stynier into voting how Fifty wants him to. I dunno, seems like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus we're in a rut, and this should at least bring people's attention back. Course, Stynier and Gornall will both now accuse me of conspiring with Fifty, but feth 'em. I'm not going to let allegations with nothing more than gut feeling and similarities that I share with half the players stop me from investigating leads.

If you look at Fifty's comment when he voted for Stynier, it does look like he could have been trying to coerce/threaten him into voting his way. I'm not sure if that is what Fifty actually meant, but I don't think Stynier is off his rocker for reacting the way he did.

As for "your allegations with nothing more than gut feelings..." I'd argue that with the exception of Vulkan, everyone has been backing up their claims with at least some evidence. I don't think you should be playing a martyr just because some of that evidence seems to point to you and people brought that up.

Vulkan, please give evidence of some scummy behaviour of Drk_Oblit.

Yes. You need to give SOME evidence of why you think DarkO is guilty. You've been voting for him from Day 1. Why over the course of the last few days do you think he is the best suspect?

"I don't think he can give any sort of reason for his suspicion." I say glancing in Vulcan's direction.

"I think all those that have not stated whom they find suspicious should do so now. Just to get conversation flowing, I don't want conversation to stall as it did yesterday."

I think DD is a suspect because he has been so quiet the past couple of days and could have thrown a vote on LotG to try and save himself, but didn't. (OOC:: Could have been unable to log on though) That and earlier he was very defensive about a comment that wasn't even directed at him. He also voted for the "wrong" person both days.

I think Vulkan is a suspect or at least a good lynch canidate simply because he cannot string together coherent reasoning for why DarkO should be lynched. He has also focus on DarkO the entire time. Even if he is innocent, it might be better to lose him than another innocent who is actually adding to the conversations.

I would also argue that Rusty/Fifty bear watching. Contrary to their protests, I think a reasonable case can be made for them "working together". That and (like me too...) they made the "wrong" votes on both earlier days. That alone is enough to keep them on my short list.

Stynier is also worth watching because he has been defensive and he never did vote yesterday.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Dastardly Dave wrote: Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

GND, IIRC, you're the only one who is suspicious of me.

Really? I haven't really had that impression, and for the record, i'm not that suspiscious of you atm.

Gornall wrote:I think DD is a suspect because he has been so quiet the past couple of days and could have thrown a vote on LotG to try and save himself, but didn't. (OOC:: Could have been unable to log on though) That and earlier he was very defensive about a comment that wasn't even directed at him. He also voted for the "wrong" person both days.

Hang on, was that me or was it GND? (I came in after the start of day 3) I've had a look at all my previous posts and I can't find any that match your description, could you quote it?

I think Vulkan is a suspect or at least a good lynch canidate simply because he cannot string together coherent reasoning for why DarkO should be lynched. He has also focus on DarkO the entire time. Even if he is innocent, it might be better to lose him than another innocent who is actually adding to the conversations.

I agree with you here, he needs to give justification soon.However we should probably lynch him only if there isn't a more suspiscious lynchee, as surely we should be looking to lynch 'stealers rather than people who aren't adding to the conversation. (of course if everyone thinks he's the most suspicious then it would be fine.)

I would also argue that Rusty/Fifty bear watching. Contrary to their protests, I think a reasonable case can be made for them "working together". That and (like me too...) they made the "wrong" votes on both earlier days. That alone is enough to keep them on my short list.

Again, I agree, a lot of their posts have been slightly too similar in theme for my liking. however with 11/15 people and no-one knowing for sure (except for the genestealers) who's who it could just be coincidence.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Oh, come on, you can't possibly be thinking me and dark O are both genestealers. If either of us is, it's him.

This one. It was brought about by:

Fifty wrote:I can't help but think more can be discerned from yesterday.

Let's think about this - how can 'stealers disguise their alliance? By voting for each other. But once they get close to lynching one of their own, they would shed their votes from that person.

Now, we know ferret was not a 'stealer, so 'stealers would not have shed their vote from him, but they may have shed their vote to him.

If anyone suddenly shifted their voting to ferret from someone else, it may help us uncover someone to look closely at.

For example, I remember that EF and LL both shifted their votes from DLS to ferret. That does not mean LL is a 'stealer - it is entirely likely that he did it to prevent an early lynching - but were there any late and unexpected shifts? Again, it is not conclusive, but it may help a little.