I now believe Drk_O will continue to be annoying until we kill .I believe it to be a tactic to make us focus on him instead trying to find his ally.

I suggest we just ignore him.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:What Drk_O said above

Drk_O, will you stop with the spam, even if Gornall is a Genestealer, unless you back up your hints with valid voting summaries and cold logic, we are forced to disbeileve you, as you are a genestealer, and therefore anti-town.

Fifty wrote:I now believe Drk_O will continue to be annoying until we kill .I believe it to be a tactic to make us focus on him instead trying to find his ally.

I suggest we just ignore him.

Dastardly Dave wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:What Drk_O said above

Drk_O, will you stop with the spam, even if Gornall is a Genestealer, unless you back up your hints with valid voting summaries and cold logic, we are forced to disbeileve you, as you are a genestealer, and therefore anti-town.

Case and point.

I vote we torture him instead.

Thankfully there is no torture option. The unchanged vote count is;

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Drk_O (Arheiner Deff Dread red Edition Drk_O)
0 - Dastardly Dave
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy BrotherStynier Gornall Rusty Knight

With 9 alive it is 5 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Drk_O would be lynched
Deadline countdown

What? No torture option? Why am I even playing this?

Can we get prods on people, please? Electric Prods!

The only player in arrears is Brother Stynier - i will prod him (in a consensual and non sexual way) now.

Deff Dred is close, but as long as he posts by this evening he's within the deadline. I'll prod him this evening if he hasn't posted.

Everyone else is good.

So, Mekboy wants to torture people...

That could be a sign that he is a true-believer in the divinity of the Emperor, and is willing to use any means to uncover the fould machinations of xenos scum, or it could mean he is foul xenos filth who delights in the suffering of dedicated servants of the Imperium of Man

((ooc, just trying to get SOME chat going...))

To get some discussion going, Gornall, could you elaborate on why you think I'm a Genestealer? All I've seen so far as evidence is Drk_O's switch to LotG, and as everyone could see he was their weak link, it would make sense for Drk_O to switch and 'prove' his innocence.

So, right now we've got Drk_O being annoying and the rest of us stammering around like fools.

I think maybe we should stop hunting for Drk_O's partner and just kill him. Who ever his partner is will likely be using the fact that Drk_O has be outed by the Inquisitor as a smoke screen. Attempting to kill the partner at this moment in time will only help the 'stealer cause as we are highly likely to kill one of our own.

Thats true, but it would effectively be wasting 5 more days, which we could use to our advantage with discussion and besides, lynching Drk_O would also kill one of us, as the 'Stealers get their nightkill straight afterwards, while this narrows down the list of suspects it also removes one person from the conversation.

Also, we are going to lynch Drk_O at the end of this day phase anyway, so anything we can glean from the conversations today is effectively a bonus.

There is almost no reason for DarkO to switch from GND/DD to LotG at that late of an hour (when it basically makes a lynch certain) unless he was choosing between two genestealers. It just seemed way too early in the game to plan on using his lynch vote on LotG to ensure that we would think he was a townie. Sacrificing one of their own this early in the game is not a good strategy, especially considering the Inquisitor could have still been out there. It would have been better to try and lynch innocents until late game when sacrficing a genestealer wouldn't result in lopsided numbers.

Gornall wrote:There is almost no reason for DarkO to switch from GND/DD to LotG at that late of an hour (when it basically makes a lynch certain) unless he was choosing between two genestealers. It just seemed way too early in the game to plan on using his lynch vote on LotG to ensure that we would think he was a townie. Sacrificing one of their own this early in the game is not a good strategy, especially considering the Inquisitor could have still been out there. It would have been better to try and lynch innocents until late game when sacrficing a genestealer wouldn't result in lopsided numbers.

A lot of people were switching to LotG, why couldn't it just have been a bandwagon vote? Besides, when has Drk_O been known for good strategy?

Good strategy, sometimes. Giant bluffs by him, always.

Dastardly Dave wrote:

Gornall wrote:There is almost no reason for DarkO to switch from GND/DD to LotG at that late of an hour (when it basically makes a lynch certain) unless he was choosing between two genestealers. It just seemed way too early in the game to plan on using his lynch vote on LotG to ensure that we would think he was a townie. Sacrificing one of their own this early in the game is not a good strategy, especially considering the Inquisitor could have still been out there. It would have been better to try and lynch innocents until late game when sacrficing a genestealer wouldn't result in lopsided numbers.

A lot of people were switching to LotG, why couldn't it just have been a bandwagon vote? Besides, when has Drk_O been known for good strategy?

You don't bandwagon onto your teammate unless you have a compelling reason. The only reasons he could have are:

GND/DD is also a genestealer, so switching to LotG doesn't "matter" (aka only changes which genestealer) and helps DarkO look innocent
GND/DD is innocent, so DarkO is throwing LotG under the bus to make himself look innocent... basically cutting off his nose to spite his face

Now if both genestealers voted for GND/DD, you might be able to make an argument for the second one. However, I think strategy is simply too implausible to work. However, DarkO and LotG both voted for GND early in the day, so I don't know what to make of that. Also, when both GND and LotG were tied at 5 votes apiece, LotG voted for Mekboy, basically offing himself, even without DarkO putting an extra vote on him later. Was he trying to remove his vote for an innocent so he wouldn't look suspicious and simply miscount? Or was he trying to get the ball rolling to try to save him and his scummy partner? That's something we need to figure out.

Looking beyond GND/DD, I'm not sure who is the next most viable suspect.

OOC:: Who did Arnheiner replace again?

If you must know, lotg was going to be lynched whether I voted for him or not.

Gornall voted for lotg, making gnd and lotg, both 5
lotg was voting for gnd, but changed to mekboy. This made gnd 4, lotg 5.
I voted for lotg 3 hours before the end of the day. If I had left it, lotg would have died anyway.

I do not see it as inevitable that we have to lynch Dark_O today. Definitely he will be lynched, but not 100% certain it will be today. If we thought someone else was a 'stealer after a few more days of discussion, we could go for them too.

If the other 'stealer is not gnd/dd I would be looking at BrotherStynier and Mekboy. BrotherStynier's reactions bother me, as does his continuing low post count, whereas I just have a funny feeling about Mekboy. His close looks at post counts etc.. made me cut him some slack, but now I am just starting to get a feeling. Nothing I can pin down, and nothing I would vote on, but... a feeling.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:If you must know, lotg was going to be lynched whether I voted for him or not.

Gornall voted for lotg, making gnd and lotg, both 5
lotg was voting for gnd, but changed to mekboy. This made gnd 4, lotg 5.
I voted for lotg 3 hours before the end of the day. If I had left it, lotg would have died anyway.

Then why did your partner in crime (LotG) kill himself?

I don't actually think he did kill himself. Drk_O was the last to vote for LoTG if I do remember right.

OOC: Sorry for not posting as regularly as usual, I've had a busy school week.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I don't actually think he did kill himself. Drk_O was the last to vote for LoTG if I do remember right.

OOC: Sorry for not posting as regularly as usual, I've had a busy school week.

No, DarkO is right. LotG and GND/DD were tied at 5 with GND/DD holding the tiebreaker. However, LotG switched his vote from GND/DD to Mekboy, dropping GND/DD to 4 votes and leaving LotG with 5 (and now the tiebreaker). It would have taken a two vote swing to save LotG at that point. So it is quite possible that DarkO recognized that LotG was probably done for and jumped on him to try to look innocent. But why did LotG switch off of GND/DD?

Either because he was a nutbar, or to add/remove suspicion from gnd/dd or Mekboy.

Fifty wrote:Either because he was a nutbar, or to add/remove suspicion from gnd/dd or Mekboy.

Why do you mention Mekboy?

Why do you bold Mekboy?

I bolded him because I thought it was weird that he mentioned Mekboy in the same breath as GND/DD.

Because that was who he switched his vote to, wasn't it?

I see what you mean now. However, why kill himself to make Mekboy look innocent if GND is also innocent (because we know DarkO is guilty)?

Ye Olde Unchanged Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Drk_O (Arheiner Deff Dread red Edition Drk_O)
0 - Dastardly Dave
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy BrotherStynier Gornall Rusty Knight

With 9 alive it is 5 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Drk_O would be lynched
Deadline countdown

I'm posting now so I don't need to be podded. Otherwsie I wouldn't be posting, because you're all ignoring me anyway.

Finally you've caught on.

I say we kill him now, we aren't gaining anything from talking.

Nothing beneficial anyway.

Stynier... who do you think DarkO's most likely partner is?

Not entirely sure as nothing really has been said, its always the same people saying the same thing or accusing the same people.

Why would Drk_O try to exonerate GND/DD? That post before his last seems to make me think he's trying to. Or maybe I'm jumpy.

I'd imagine that we're going to lynch Drk_O today. That way, we know that his partner had to act alone, which could reveal some insight based on Night Kill.

I just thought of something!

If I am truely a Genestealer, I can tell you all who my last remaning buddy could lynch. They might not lynch said person, but it'd be scary to know it's coming, whether it does or not!

*starts doing Eeny, meeny, miny, moe*

With my last (or second last ^_^") I curse Arheiner!!!

You are currently down to less then a day of time left. I'd advocate either posting more conversation or posting more votes.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Drk_O (Arheiner Deff Dread red Edition Drk_O)
0 - Dastardly Dave
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy BrotherStynier Gornall Rusty Knight

With 9 alive it is 5 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Drk_O would be lynched
Deadline countdown

VOTE: Drk_O

I just wanna see this done.

Well, no-one is talking, and I fancy having the chance to lynch someone. It is certainly going to be Dark_O, and it is going to be soon, so it may as well be me...

Vote Dark Obliterator

The skies had only become darker as the monsoon like downpour continued. Part of the camp had been washed out by a flash flood of mud pouring down the slope and you were all filthy and miserable from the efforts of trying to rescue the camp supplies while also trying to sort out who was a Genestealer.

Still, you had that last accusation by Vulkan…

“So we agree Drk_O is a Genestealer,” begins Gornall.

“No I’m not.”

“Nobody is listening to you,” snarled Mekboy, “just go sit in the corner till we shoot you.”

“Now, I think the important thing is to discuss who we think his partner is.”

“Agreed,” everyone grunted and nodded.

“Okay, I’m leaning towards GND/Dastardly Dave, any thoughts?”

“…”

“…”

“…Drk_O is a Genestealer, we should shoot him.”

“Actually I’m a Night Lord,” offered Drk_O.

“Whatever you are we’re going to shoot you, so shaddup,” sighed Gornall, “but I think some discussion would help, don’t all of you?”

“We suppose,” mumbled everyone with some shrugs and nods.

“Soooo…any thoughts?”

“…”

“…”

“…Drk_O is a Genestealer, we should shoot him.”

“Yeah, we know this.” Gornall’s face flushed an interesting shade of red, “but…”

“Aw’right, let’s do this, Leeeeeroy Jenkins!” Fifty promptly drew his laspistol and shot Drk_O through the head.

“…the hell?”

Fifty just smiled and took a small bow before he moved up to investigate the corpse. On the body he discovers a book - "How I became a ManBearPig AND a Genestealer" By Drk_Oblitr8r, First Edition Collector’s Item.

Drk_Oblitr8r was a Genestealer

Filled with some confidence that you caught another bug, but wondering if you spent your time wisely you all shuffle off to bed.

===========================
Day 4 has ended

Night 4 Countdown Timer

Get in those night actions if you want them to count. Everyone else - sleep tight.

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!

((ooc sorry, had to, night night!)

Was it supposed to be ironic?

Sure, he’d been a quiet sort of man, you suppose, so maybe it was irony. Of course you’re not sure if Genestealers even have irony, so maybe they ripped the tongue out of his mouth simply because.

In any case, with his chest torn open and his body crucified to a tree by his own shattered ribs there is no doubt he is now a forever quiet and forever dead imperial loyalist.

Brother Stynier, loyal Imperial Citizen, is dead.

It is time to discuss who dies next…
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Day 5 Begins

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Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Dastardly Dave
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy Gornall Rusty Knight Arheiner Deff Dread red

Edition

With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - no one would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote: Fifty

The last vote came to end the day, and that makes him the most suspicious in my book.

Arheiner wrote:Vote: Fifty

The last vote came to end the day, and that makes him the most suspicious in my book.

Even more suspicious than GND/DD?

Right now, I think so since it looks to be covering his ass

Arheiner wrote:Right now, I think so since it looks to be covering his ass

Please elaborate. I'm still not sure of him as he did vote for Ferret but not LotG.

It was ten hours before the end of a two-week deadline, during which time I had been trying to convince everyone to talk more and delay the lynching! I'd even been the one suggesting keeping him alive through this night period while we find the other 'stealer, and yet there was not a single suggestion of a vote for anyone else, anywhere!

Because I then recognised the inevitable, ie that no-one else was talking or voting, and lost us ten hours in which we can assume no-one else was going to do anything useful anyway, you now suggest I am a 'stealer?

You are either insane, a fool or a genestealer.

During the last day period, the total number of votes on a very quick count (I have to go to work) was

DO 22
Fifty 11
Gornall 19
Stynier 7
Arheiner 7
Mekboy 9
Deff Dredd Red Edition 3
Dasatrdly Dave 8
RustyKnight 6

Ironically, as he got killed, Stynier was the one encouraging a quick lynch.

A very quick scan of his posts show a single post of two lines from Arheiner, and everything else one line posts. Taking it easy now that the Inquistor has said you are innocent? I'll assume you are innocent until shown otherwise, but it is a bit rich to pick on me for ending he day early when you've barely contributed.

Fifty wrote:It was ten hours before the end of a two-week deadline, during which time I had been trying to convince everyone to talk more and delay the lynching! I'd even been the one suggesting keeping him alive through this night period while we find the other 'stealer, and yet there was not a single suggestion of a vote for anyone else, anywhere!

Because I then recognised the inevitable, ie that no-one else was talking or voting, and lost us ten hours in which we can assume no-one else was going to do anything useful anyway, you now suggest I am a 'stealer?

You are either insane, a fool or a genestealer.

Keeping DarkO alive during the night period would the worst possible choice. Why allow them to discuss strategies overnight? Why provide DarkO the opportunity to play his jester role all day? And more importantly, why kill someone who may be innocent when we have someone we know to be guilty?

I'm not saying that you're guilty. I'm just saying that arguing that DarkO should have been left alive isn't the best way to defend yourself.

Arheiner (drk o)
mekboy (drk o)
Deff dread (drk o)
MEKBOY UNVOTE DRK O
drk o (drk o)
50 (drk o)

Here's the post list, for all the help it is.

Gornall wrote:

Fifty wrote:It was ten hours before the end of a two-week deadline, during which time I had been trying to convince everyone to talk more and delay the lynching! I'd even been the one suggesting keeping him alive through this night period while we find the other 'stealer, and yet there was not a single suggestion of a vote for anyone else, anywhere!

Because I then recognised the inevitable, ie that no-one else was talking or voting, and lost us ten hours in which we can assume no-one else was going to do anything useful anyway, you now suggest I am a 'stealer?

You are either insane, a fool or a genestealer.

Keeping DarkO alive during the night period would the worst possible choice. Why allow them to discuss strategies overnight? Why provide DarkO the opportunity to play his jester role all day? And more importantly, why kill someone who may be innocent when we have someone we know to be guilty?

I'm not saying that you're guilty. I'm just saying that arguing that DarkO should have been left alive isn't the best way to defend yourself.

My point being, Arheiner is complaining about me ending the day period "early" (10 whole hours, out of a total of almost 350hours) when absolutely nothing had been achieved all day anyway and I was desperately attempting to get everyone actually talking and thinking, rather than jumping on a bandwagon. Like I said, I find that particularly ironic with the paucity of his contribution, despite the fact he is known to be a genuine cit.

No offense, Fifty, but looking back over yesterday, I don't see what I would call a lot of conversation from you.

But I agree in that suspecting you based on your lynch vote yesterday is pretty flimsy.

Fifty wrote:It was ten hours before the end of a two-week deadline, during which time I had been trying to convince everyone to talk more and delay the lynching! I'd even been the one suggesting keeping him alive through this night period while we find the other 'stealer, and yet there was not a single suggestion of a vote for anyone else, anywhere!

Because I then recognised the inevitable, ie that no-one else was talking or voting, and lost us ten hours in which we can assume no-one else was going to do anything useful anyway, you now suggest I am a 'stealer?

You are either insane, a fool or a genestealer.

No, we shouldn't have kept him alive overnight, we'd have all gone mad...

To be fair though, It didn't look like we were going to get any more discussion in, so he was kinda justified in dropping the proverbial hammer. Whether he was doing it to cover his back or not is another matter.

As for my suspiscions, I'm beginning to get very suspicious of Gornall, This is for several reasons:

1. He has so far managed to be a large influence as to who gets lynched,(this could however be clever townie behaivior) without ever actually being on the final vote list. (not much, but it could be something)
2. He didn't die last night. If he isn't the genestealer, the actuall genestealer would have killed him to place (extra) suspicsion on me.
3. I didn't die last night. If he is the genestealer, he would be reasonably confident of getting me lynched today, so would not kill me.
4. There is no forth thing (for now)
Any thoughts?

Dastardly Dave wrote: As for my suspiscions, I'm beginning to get very suspicious of Gornall, This is for several reasons:

1. He has so far managed to be a large influence as to who gets lynched,(this could however be clever townie behaivior) without ever actually being on the final vote list. (not much, but it could be something)
2. He didn't die last night. If he isn't the genestealer, the actuall genestealer would have killed him to place (extra) suspicsion on me.
3. I didn't die last night. If he is the genestealer, he would be reasonably confident of getting me lynched today, so would not kill me.
4. There is no forth thing (for now)
Any thoughts?

1. I was actually wrong on both votes that mattered (as were you, Rusty, and Fifty), so I don't know how your first point makes too much sense. Remember, we've only lynched one innocent this game. Vulkan got himself killed.
2. Or the genestealer could have used that line of thinking to try and get me killed today. It's very hard to know what the scum is thinking. TBH, I can think of at least 3 people who should have been night-killed before Stynier and the others.
3. Another reason you could be alive is because you're the genestealer.... as could any of us.

I'll be honest and say I keep second-guessing myself. I do not know what to think right now, and I really don't know who I will vote for at the moment.

Out of a sense of a need for some sort of structure to my voting, I may well vote for gnd/dd again, rather than flinging votes around wildly, as if I begin to question myself too much I'll do the job to myself that Drk_O started, ie going insane.

I'd rather get rended limb-from-limb because I listened to my gut instincts and they were wrong than because they were right but I ignored them.

(Gornall - as for me not discussing much in the last day, I had more to say than most people, and while I'll not claim it was much, at least I was talking. I am not a fan of talking to myself though, so I didn't witter on endlessly like Dark_O)

The main reason why I don't make too long posts is that many of the things is just repeating what other people have already said, or an endless arguament that just get's pointless. Since I joined people weren't so suspicious of me due to my role being pretty clear, and I'm suprised I'm not yet dead due to Vulkan's PM making me a loyalist if the other part is true. I watch for a while when I have time then make my move at the stage where I know what I want, even though I'll admit I should explain it more.

Vote: Dastardly Dave

I still find it highly suspicious that Both Drk_O and LotG switched their votes from GND/DD. The only reason for this being, in my mind, that he could perhaps be a genestealer power role of sorts. This, added to GND/DD's quietness during the pervious days and his rather cryptic answers and posts(more GND than DD)make me suspicious of him.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition)
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy Gornall Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Fifty would be lynched
Deadline countdown

I'm interested to hear what Mekboy and Rusty have to say about their suspicions. Let's get discussion rolling now, rather than have silence most of the day.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Vote: Dastardly Dave

I still find it highly suspicious that Both Drk_O and LotG switched their votes from GND/DD. The only reason for this being, in my mind, that he could perhaps be a genestealer power role of sorts. This, added to GND/DD's quietness during the pervious days and his rather cryptic answers and posts(more GND than DD)make me suspicious of him.

We've already found two power roles, I don't think there will be another, besides, the only choice for a 'stealer power role so far is a Magus, and no-one has been blocked so far as far as I know. Can you confirm this thor?

Dastardly Dave wrote:We've already found two power roles, I don't think there will be another, besides, the only choice for a 'stealer power role so far is a Magus, and no-one has been blocked so far as far as I know. Can you confirm this thor?

As outlined in the Registration thread - I can assure you that if there is a Genestealer power role then it is the Genestealer Magus (role-blocker).

DDRE... that's the best reasoning for the switch I've heard so far. I still don't know why they both voted for him to begin with though if he is the Magus.

While I do think that DD is one of the most likely genestealers, I will say that I'm slighty wary of Gornall. He seems almost too good to be true. Then again, that is just a gut feeling.

Well, if the roles of either the dead inquisitor or assasin's night actions were blocked, we would know nothing of it(I assume the Magnus operates some what like a doctor in normal mafia, I might be wrong though).

As for there already being 2 power roles, I think it is perfectly reasonable to think that there is a third. I mean, wouldn't it stand to reason that to counteract there being 2 power roles on the Imperial side the genestealers would have some form of protection to make the game fair?

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:(I assume the Magnus operates some what like a doctor in normal mafia, I might be wrong though).

The Magus operates identical to a roleblocker in normal Mafia - to whit; whoever he targets has their night action (if any) blocked.

Mekboy wrote:While I do think that DD is one of the most likely genestealers, I will say that I'm slighty wary of Gornall. He seems almost too good to be true. Then again, that is just a gut feeling.

LOL... I could say the same about you and your vote summaries. Which is why I'm suprised we're both still alive.

I felt that Lord Loss and Emperor's Faithful were too good to be true as well. I don't get any vibes on my scumdar from Gornall, although I have had the same "too good to be true" thoughts. I get a few more bad vibes from Mekboy. Deff Dredd and Rusty just seem very quiet.

Rather than leave the talking going all night, I'll put my money where my mouth is, and stick to my guns...

Vote: Dastardly Dave

Well, If you're all going to lynch me without having any discussion then there isn't much I can do, at least my death will narrow down the options and give two more dead innocents for tomorrow to discuss.

I might as well put in my two pennies now and say that ATM I find Gornall the most suspiscious, and I think you should Lynch him tomorrow. I notice that he isn't saying much about 'having more conversation' now he knows that it would be easy to get me lynched. I think that his insistence on getting people to say who they think are suspicsious could just be a ploy to find out who to scapegoat. If you are innocent Gornall, sorry, but this is how I've seen things for the entire game and I haven't seen anything to disprove me.

This may sound like desperation, but I'd clearly rather not die and let the genestealer any closer to victory.

It won't do much good but:
Vote: Gornall

Dastardly Dave wrote:Well, If you're all going to lynch me without having any discussion then there isn't much I can do, at least my death will narrow down the options and give two more dead innocents for tomorrow to discuss.

I might as well put in my two pennies now and say that ATM I find Gornall the most suspiscious, and I think you should Lynch him tomorrow. I notice that he isn't saying much about 'having more conversation' now he knows that it would be easy to get me lynched. I think that his insistence on getting people to say who they think are suspicsious could just be a ploy to find out who to scapegoat. If you are innocent Gornall, sorry, but this is how I've seen things for the entire game and I haven't seen anything to disprove me.

This may sound like desperation, but I'd clearly rather not die and let the genestealer any closer to victory.

It won't do much good but:
Vote: Gornall

You're still a ways from being lynched, so you might want to wait on the martyr bit. I'm still holding off for conversation... you'll notice I haven't voted for you yet, even though I've repeatedly said I think you are the most suspicious today. I think it's important that we take time and get input from everyone. By asking everyone who they think is suspicious and why, we put people on the spot to make an argument and defend it. The justification of arguments are just as important to look at as anything else, as they give us a look at the individual's thought process. You have a point in that the genestealers could use part of that info against us... however, the benefit far outweighs that disadvantage. At the same time, I think we need to make cases for and against everyone and see how people respond to it. For example, so far you haven't tried to offer a plausible explanation for DarkO and LotG's votes on the second day.... rather you've just tried to cast suspicions elsewhere.

Gornall wrote:You're still a ways from being lynched, so you might want to wait on the martyr bit. I'm still holding off for conversation... you'll notice I haven't voted for you yet, even though I've repeatedly said I think you are the most suspicious today. I think it's important that we take time and get input from everyone. By asking everyone who they think is suspicious and why, we put people on the spot to make an argument and defend it. The justification of arguments are just as important to look at as anything else, as they give us a look at the individual's thought process. You have a point in that the genestealers could use part of that info against us... however, the benefit far outweighs that disadvantage. At the same time, I think we need to make cases for and against everyone and see how people respond to it. For example, so far you haven't tried to offer a plausible explanation for DarkO and LotG's votes on the second day.... rather you've just tried to cast suspicions elsewhere.

Not really, 2 votes off isn't much.

As for a 'plausible explanation' I've really no Idea, Most of their posts were a bit weird anyway so who can blame me? When did I try to cast suspiscion elsewhere? Most of my early posts were EDIT: genestealer: tactics I thought we should take into consideration.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
2 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition Fifty )
0 - Arheiner
1 - Gornall ( Dastardly Dave )

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Gornall Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dastardly Dave would be lynched
Deadline countdown

At the moment, I'm entertaining the notion of Mekboy as a 'stealer. He worries me as I think he was able to slide out from under any threat of scrutiny by posting those very nice post count summaries. Of course, I don't have any proof yet.

Fifty stating that he didn't think we needed to lynch Drk_O yesterday strikes me as odd, but I might just be jumping at shadows.

Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

I'm starting to entertain the idea that you're all stealers at the moment.

RustyKnight wrote:Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

Do you mean me or Ginger-Nid-Dude? could people please clarify who they mean or just use DD/Dave for me.

You are GND. Well, GND's past actions are your past actions.

RustyKnight wrote:You are GND. Well, GND's past actions are your past actions.

OOC: Yes, I know, but I can't tell you why GND did some of his past actions. Clarifying who you mean allows me to know whether I can explain it or not

RustyKnight wrote:At the moment, I'm entertaining the notion of Mekboy as a 'stealer. He worries me as I think he was able to slide out from under any threat of scrutiny by posting those very nice post count summaries. Of course, I don't have any proof yet.

Fifty stating that he didn't think we needed to lynch Drk_O yesterday strikes me as odd, but I might just be jumping at shadows.

Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

I never said, "We don't need to lynch Drk_O."

I said, "We don't necessarily need to lynch Dark_O today."

We didn't have to vote for him yesterday. In the end it became the only sensible thing to do, because we had no real alternative to vote for. Now admittedly, leaving him alive and getting the other 'stealer wrong would have left them with a chance to confer overnight, but if we had been sure enough of our other choice, it was a possible option.

Well, nothing said for 8 hours...

Maybe we should do this a different way, as talking about each other is not working. I suggest we each make a case of why we are not a 'stealer.

I'll go first.

This is my first game of this. Early doors, I thought there would be more "role-playing", so my interactions with Lord Loss looked a bit over-reactionary. Once I got into the swing of things, I have avoided the sort of things that made LotG look bad, like utterly ridiculous statements about his background. I've just tried to play the game - not invent ridiculous stories.

I've stuck to my suspicions of gnd (now DD) from the get-go. I think I was even voting for him when we lynched someone else, although I am not certain of that.

I supported the suspicions of the_ferret, although I am pretty sure I was not voting for him. (I actually think that may have been when I was voting for gnd).

I can't remember if I voted for LotG or not. I think I did. I certainly was not against his lynching.

When we voted for DLS, I had been firm in my suspicions of him since early days. I got that one wrong, but we all got it wrong.

Short of going through every page of this, that is my main memories of what I have and have not done.

I'd like to see what everyone else has to say about their own statements and votes. There is less excuse for people not to talk about their own actions, even if they don't have much to say about other people.

Evidence for me to NOT be a genestealer is:

1. I have been very vocal in the community and often a voice for taking our time (especially on Day 1) and discussing as much as possible.

2. On Day 2, my vote for LotG put him into a tie with GND/DD and helped lead to his demise, even if I removed my vote from him and placed it on DarkO towards the end because of his change in character.

@ point 1, do you remember Thor's last game?

OOC: I do indeed.... nom nom.

You're right, my point 1 isn't the best evidence in the world. However, my point 2 is pretty ironclad, IMO.

Yeah, finding 2 traitors with 2 votes isn't bad at all. Wait, that makes em very suspicious of you all of a sudden...

Arheiner wrote:Yeah, finding 2 traitors with 2 votes isn't bad at all. Wait, that makes em very suspicious of you all of a sudden...

How so?

The odds on that being 2 traitor show that you may be the third due to the odds on it being otherwise, it's more likely you knew from the inside IMO. I have a strong feeling you voted to remove suspicion. And all the "you're not even close's may be true.

Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.

For me to be a genestealer, it would mean that DarkO and I both intentionally threw LotG under the bus in hopes of keeping suspicion off of ourselves. Do you really think that is the most plausible explanation for the votes? Wouldn't a better plan had been to just let GND get lynched that day and not sacrifice a genestealer?

You're right, by pure chance, having votes on both of them is low. However, are actions aren't guided by chance. LotG had been acting cagey so was a good suspect (considerign a majority voted to lynch him) and DarkO went from a bumbling fool to a well-spoken and coherent individual very quickly, making him a suspect in my eyes. Obviously enough of a suspect that Vulkan inspected him. So I wasn't the only one to suspect those two. My votes weren't from inside knowledge but logical suspicion.

I still think the most plausible explanation is that GND/DD is a Magus which explains why LotG didn't try to vote for him to save himself. It also explains DarkO's vote switch from GND/DD to LotG. Better to lose a regular genestealer than the Magus.

Even though my case is flimsy I will post it in the interest of keeping conversation going:

I haven't voted a lot, and when I have the vote has been explained and thought out. On 2 occasions I have voted for those now known to be stealers(given I did vote to lynch The_Ferrett, however his actions were rather suspect).

Arheiner wrote:The odds on that being 2 traitor show that you may be the third due to the odds on it being otherwise, it's more likely you knew from the inside IMO. I have a strong feeling you voted to remove suspicion. And all the "you're not even close's may be true.

Also, with fewer 'stealers its less likely you will lynch the remaining one.

Gornall wrote:Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.

However, this could work both ways, we could be very close, or not close at all.

Explaining why we aren't 'stealers? This seems like a very odd exercise to me. Anything any one of us says is immediately suspect in the others eyes.

I am not a genestealer because I have not done anything scummy? I mean, I've been accused a few times, but all of the charges had simple explanations. I think I've been fairly helpful for this being my first game.

Dastardly Dave wrote:

Gornall wrote:Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.

However, this could work both ways, we could be very close, or not close at all.

Or it could mean absolutely nothing... like Thor said.

RustyKnight wrote:Explaining why we aren't 'stealers? This seems like a very odd exercise to me. Anything any one of us says is immediately suspect in the others eyes.

I agree... but it's better than no conversation at all.

Sadly it hasn't generated much conversation(most we've had in awhile though).

Perhaps we should each do a write up of who we find suspicious and for what reasons?

I'll have a go in hopes of getting conversation started...

Firstly, I rather obviously find GND/DD supicious. GND/DD's early rather cryptic comments and generally strange attitude, along with the as yet unexplained reason why both genestealers unvoted him and instead chose to lynch another stealer.

DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Anyone else care to have a go?

Edited to correct spelling.

My main suspect is GND/DD because of the voting pattern and also him trying to gain traction with Thor's "you're not even close".

I do not know about DDRE, Rusty, or Fifty. I still haven't been impressed with Rusty's attitude, but everyone has been so quiet that it's hard to get a good read on things.

I'm planning to vote fairly soon, but will hold off and hope these exercises cause some more conversation.

I think I've been pretty talkative recently. Apart from you yourself, Gornall, I'd say I am chattier than most.

((ooc having said that, I am in work hell for a few days. My posts may be short, or non-existent until the weekend))

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Didn't Vulkan's rulebreak exonerate DLS/Arheiner?

As for suspicions? Aside from GND/DD, I just don't see anyone acting that suspiciously. I mean, I have no evidence against anyone. Maybe Gornall was a bit on the lucky side with voting for both 'stealers. Or maybe he was just that good.

When was I bloodthirsty?

RustyKnight wrote:

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Didn't Vulkan's rulebreak exonerate DLS/Arheiner?

As for suspicions? Aside from GND/DD, I just don't see anyone acting that suspiciously. I mean, I have no evidence against anyone. Maybe Gornall was a bit on the lucky side with voting for both 'stealers. Or maybe he was just that good.

Somehow I seem to have forgotten all about that. However, my exercise was merely to try to get a little conversation.

@Arheiner-Early on(while DLS was still playing, before you replaced him) he came off as a little bullish and seemed heavily in favour of lynching people without much discussion(from what I can remember, I should have really kept notes).

Note that for future games if that'll be his style.

I do believe that it was more from a character or story point, then his style of play.

In any case, I merely posted my suspicion of you to try and start conversation. Sadly, GND/DD has not posted anything in his defense, which I would like to see. Then again, there isn't much(in my mind)that he could say to steer me from my current vote. It would be nice to see him give it a try though.

Because I've believed GND/DD is a traitor since yesterday and haven't heard anything to make me doubt it, I'm going to Vote: Dastardly Dave.

My count puts him at L-1, so anyone else voting for him better carefully consider their actions.

Maybe this will spur some more conversation from him...

Mekboy has been poked with the prod stick.
If Dastardly Dave doesn't post prior to tomorrow morning he shalt also be prodded.
Everyone else is good - thank you!

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition Fifty Gornall )
0 - Arheiner
1 - Gornall ( Dastardly Dave )

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dastardly Dave would be lynched
Deadline countdown

*poke*

Ow.

Anyway, the more I look at it, the more it seems to me that Gornall is the last 'stealer. Throughout the game, he has been holding the imperial side together, yet the genestealers haven't targetted him yet. He says the same about me, but if I die, someone else could easily pick up where I left off. Gornall has been keeping the imperial side working, and so if the stealers took him out, then we're on the back foot.

For that reason, Vote: Gornall.

Emperor forgive me if I'm wrong.

Honestly, I don't know why I've been let to live. Part of it could have been they thought they could manipulate me by voting weird (DarkO's vote for GND/DD for example). They knew that would cause me to give DarkO a break for a while... they just didn't count on Vulkan sniffing him out.

That or it could be that I am on to GND/DD and thought that killing me would shine the spotlight on him. Or it could be the opposite... they know I'm "not even close" so don't think of me as a threat until I've helped them lynch GND/DD. Who knows? I think drawing conclusions on night kills is very, very risky. There are too many opportunities for fakeouts.

Sorry I haven't been conversing for a while, had(have) a lot of things to do.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
Firstly, I rather obviously find GND/DD supicious. GND/DD's early rather cryptic comments and generally strange attitude, along with the as yet unexplained reason why both genestealers unvoted him and instead chose to lynch another stealer.

How do you expect me to explain this, aside from agreeing with Gornall? From my perspective, its completely random. I have already attempted to explain it here:

Dastardly Dave wrote:A lot of people were switching to LotG, why couldn't it just have been a bandwagon vote? Besides, when has Drk_O been known for good strategy?

It could also have been a deliberate move to put suspiscion on me, although this is extremely unlikely.

Gornall wrote:My main suspect is GND/DD because of the voting pattern and also him trying to gain traction with Thor's "you're not even close".

How was I 'trying to gain traction'? I was merely pointing out that, contrary to what seemed to be your opinion that we were close, as it means nothing: we could be close, not close at all, or anything in between. If that wasn't your opinion then we are arguing the same point.

Gornall wrote:Because I've believed GND/DD is a traitor since yesterday and haven't heard anything to make me doubt it, I'm going to Vote: Dastardly Dave.

My count puts him at L-1, so anyone else voting for him better carefully consider their actions.

Maybe this will spur some more conversation from him...

You realise that by doing this you are effectively putting your own neck on the line. If (or when) you Lynch me and find out I am neither a magus, nor a genestealer of any kind, you (Gornall) will most likely get lynched tommorow, meaning we win, If you get lynched today and it turns out you aren't a 'stealer, then I will most likely get lynched tommorow. If we lynch you at any point and you are a genestealer, then we win anyway. If neither of us are 'stealers, then he's been hiding very well, and the rest of you will have to work really hard. This means I have nothing to lose, as whatever happens (unless we win), I will probably be lynched within the next two day phases, unless we lynch someone other than me or Gornall. This is why I haven't really been defending myself as:
A) It wouldn't do anything as I can't account for GND's actions, and
B) as stated above, I don't really need to.

EDIT: Removed accidentally copied number

That confuses the hell out of me...

Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...

Sorry about that, what needs clarification? (please don't say 'all of it' )

Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...

I think that may have been the point. It mainly says "Don't lynch me as I'm an innocent and if you lynch me you'll then lynch Gornall."

RustyKnight wrote:

Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...

I think that may have been the point. It mainly says "Don't lynch me as I'm an innocent and if you lynch me you'll then lynch Gornall."

That wasn't the point. To clarify:

It actually says:
You can technically lynch either of us, as there are 3 likely situations now. We either win or I get lynched:

If I get lynched, then people will (presumably) lynch Gornall tommorow, so if he is a genestealer, The Imperial side will win.

If Gornall is lynched and he is not a genestealer, then unless I get killed overnight I will be lynched tommorow. The Imperial side will then have a lot of work to do in finding who is the real genestealer however.

If Gornall is lynched and he is the genestealer, then the Imperial side wins as mentioned above.

The most unlikely situation is one where neither of us get lynched, which will lead to another day of light discussion like today and yesterday.

Option 4) We lynch you. You're a genestealer. We celebrate.

I don't think it matters what happens; conversation seems to be slow coming. I think it could be that this game has been going on for months now.

I am the only person who knows i'm not a genestealer, so that option is already covered as point 1, if you lynch me, you will probably lynch Gornall tommorow as he is currently the next most suspicious person here. In fact, if lynching me is the only way you will be convinced of my innocence and start to actually look at other people, then go ahead.

If it causes an Imperial win after you actually start talking then it wouldn't be a problem as a win is collective for all members of a team, besides, unless we win, I will die in the next two days anyway (as said before)

Also, the reason conversation has been slow is because all the people who used to participate in conversations have been lynched or killed. Despite peoples best efforts, its been the quiet ones who've survived.

See... to me the people getting killed off really don't seem that talkative. We had LL, Not_U, and Stynier? None of them jumped out to me as super talkative and helpful. TBH, I was starting to get very suspicious of Stynier.

Yes, but Drk_O and LotG, who frequently either started or were the cause of conversations were both lynched, and it stands to reason that with less people you get less talking anyway.

OOC:: Yeah... this game has been dragging... no more 15 player games for me.

OOC: Really? Maybe if there were more power roles?

I think we had ample power roles, however one was killed off quite early by the stealers, and I doubt Vulkan used the inquisitor role to its fullest(him being fairly new to the game).

Getting back to the matter at hand, I must agree slightly with GND/DD on the matter of the talkative being killed off, yet I see it more as the experienced being picked off(yet with only 3 genestealer games being played, I find it strange to call people experienced at said game). Lord_Loss, Emperor's faithful and Not_U were all fairly talkative. Stynier at the start of the game was also talkative.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I think we had ample power roles, however one was killed off quite early by the stealers, and I doubt Vulkan used the inquisitor role to its fullest(him being fairly new to the game).

Getting back to the matter at hand, I must agree slightly with GND/DD on the matter of the talkative being killed off, yet I see it more as the experienced being picked off(yet with only 3 genestealer games being played, I find it strange to call people experienced at said game). Lord_Loss, Emperor's faithful and Not_U were all fairly talkative. Stynier at the start of the game was also talkative.

I'd argue that Vulkan did a great job as the inquisitor. He found someone who was innocent and someone who was guilty and lived to report it... for a short time anyway. I had forgot about EF... the poor guy always dies early. :(

Gornall wrote:OOC:: Yeah... this game has been dragging... no more 15 player games for me.

I was going to save this piece of advice for the endgame, but if people are feeling worn out I'll offer it now to hopefully help maintain the fun aspect of the game;

There is no need, obligation, or even sometimes advantage, to going all the way to deadline every time. Sometimes long waits just grind down town conversation. If conversation is dead or already decided then feel free to lynch with a week and a half left on the countdown. Information from lynches and nightkills is sometimes more important. The only day(s) you really want to take full advantage of talking all of is usually the first one or two and maybe the very last one.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition Fifty Gornall )
0 - Arheiner
2 - Gornall ( Dastardly Dave Mekboy)

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dastardly Dave would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote: Dastardly Dave

We aren't gaining anything by dragging on this day phase. Hopefully, we can get some more useful discussion in a few days.

The inside of the hab structure you have been using for your deliberations seems more spacious then it once had. Of course, you suppose that's because there's only about half as many of you as there once was. With two Genestealers accounted for you had hoped it would all be over, but the killings had continued and thus so too must your investigation.

The clear consideration was unsureness about voting irregularities and some of Dastardly Dave's oddness earlier on.

"I really can't explain that stuff," sighed Dave, "I ate some really cool looking roots and honestly everything went very organish lavender after that. It's almost like you could say I was another person."

"Aren't drugs heretical," asked Rusty Knight.

"...actually, y'know, I'm not sure, said Def Dred as he scratched his chin. "Come to think of it, is alcohol abuse heretical?"

"As my Commisar used to say to me," said Gornall as he drew his laspistol, "when in doubt, bet on it being heretical."

"Works for me," agreed Fifty, "Leeero-"

"BOOM, Headshot!" Rusty drew his pistol first and promptly fired it into Dave's face. Stepping forward he searched the body and then frowned as he turned back to you all and held up what had been in Dave's pockets; "How to be a Dudley Do-Right even with a dastardly name."

Dastardly Dave was an Imperial Citizen

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Day 5 is over, Night 5 has begun
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If you have a night action, yadda, yadda - you know the drill by now I hope.
Night 5 Countdown

Well, thats me out. Have fun all

Oops, I almost forgot:

Bah! You Fools! ugggggrh...

They had left just the head. Everything else was gone and there wasn't even any blood. Just a pale, slightly green tinted from early jungle rot, head sitting there in the middle of the tent. You can't help but get the feeling the Genestealer was mocking you.

Arhenier, loyal Imperial Citizen, was killed most horribly in the night.

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Day 6 Begins
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With 5 Alive it is 3 to lynch
You only have two more chances to catch the Genestealer - choose wisely
Deadline Countdown

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As a head's up; I will be going on a road trip March 27th through April 4th with limited internet access at best. If the game is still going at that point expect a delay in any action that requires my attention. I may seek out a volunteer to fill in whilst I am away depending on what is going on in game at that point.

Regards,
Thor.

n0t_u wrote:RustyKnight seems suspicous to some of them, but if you look at LoG's vote it comes straight after Rusty's vote for GND by saying "I feel like I should:
VOTE: ginger_nid_dude"

People have questioned LoG's reason for voting, but no one has questioned what motivated him to suddenly vote for the same person as Rusty and leave next to no reason. The "Ohh, I forgot my reason!!" and the reason being in the following post could be just a poor cover to the fact that he seemed to be following Rusty. In fact it might have been so bad that it turned out to be good as people questioned the reason and ignored his suspicious behaviour.

I guess then by that reasoning above that the best one of the two for me to vote for now would maybe be LoG.
Also has anyone noticed that the three most suspicious people are currently voting for the same person.
Starting with Drk_O's vote with its standard reason followed by progressivly worse reasons.

Therefore I guess I will VOTE: LoG for the rather suspicious pattern he seems to have made.

I was looking through the logs of the events of Day 2 (when LotG was successfully lynched) and I found this very interesting post. Not_U also was the one who got killed that night, but at the time I couldn't figure out why. Personally, now I think this post is why.

Vote: Rusty Knight

I know this might get me in trouble for voting so quick, but maybe it'll get discussion going early so we have something to work with.

You were hounding me far more that day. If I killed n0t_u in an attempt to kill those that thought I was a 'stealer, why wouldn't I have gone for you? Or, maybe Drk_O/? realized that they could kill n0t_u and try to use that as evidence to lynch me quickly on a later day. Or maybe n0t_u was chosen at random. Or maybe...

Onto the quote-
Firstly, he accuses me of following Drk_O in voting for GND. There's a several day gap between my vote and Drk_O's. During that time period, GND continued to dig himself into a hole. Hell, we just lynched DD yesterday because GND had been acting so strange. The fact that LotG followed my vote could have been an attempt at band wagoning. Who knows what LotG was thinking?

Why did you stealth bold part of that quote?

He criticizes my reasons for voting for GND, yet I had more and better quality reasons that Drk_O. Those very reasons that I used almost lead to GND's death that day and finally killed DD yesterday.

OOC:: Moving this week (sorry, thought the game would be over by now) so I will have very limited connectivity from Tuesday to Sunday.

On the topic of the night kills, I at least think that there is no real pattern there. Most of them seem incredibly random and end up in it looking like the stealers were trying to off experienced players.

OOC: Basically a filler post. I am at quite a loss with this all...

Perhaps we should act on impulse and get to voting more. Even though I would agree that having longer days in which to discuss things is good, however long days with no conversation or stagnant conversation(like we've been having) is not much use at all.

In any case I think I'm going to read back over the thread to see if there is anything that could help in our current situation.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
1 - Rusty Knight (Gornall )
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Deff Dread red Edition Fifty Mekboy Rusty Knight
With 5 alive it is 3 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Rusty Knight would be lynched
Deadline countdown

I haven't got a clue. At this stage, I might as well roll a d4 to choose one of you.

Deff Dread, Mekboy, either of you two have anything to add?

Roll a d4? Why not just tell Thor to randomly pick one of us to lynch? Or, we can discuss this like rational beings.

Sitting around doing nothing isn't going to help us. So, for that reason, I'm going to try and make a case for Mekboy being the final genestealer. At the moment, I do not believe that he is it, but I may find evidence in the couse of my case building. Plus, it'll hopefully encourage some discussion.

The first part of my case against Mekboy is the fact that he's never really been put under any pressure. Since Day 1, he's been able to silently glide along. Occassionally, he posts one of his voting logs. While helpful, they don't really have any chance of coming back to hurt him, because he hardly ever votes. Day One; we've got a gazillion votes. Votes flew all over the place. Yet, Mekboy never voted. Why not? Is he not interested in catching the 'stealers? Or, is he more concerned with breezing through the day with as little attention on himself as possible? Day two, his single vote is for LotG. The day of Vulkan's betrayal? No votes. The day of Drk_O's lynching? A single vote for Drk_O (of course, that isn't really that surprising). Today? No appearance.

Huh, that looks to be the only part.

Oh, and Vote:Mekboy.

He's in no danger of being lynched at the moment, but this should provoke some conversation.

Well, I prefer not to hand out votes willy-nilly, but instead consider carefully. A badly timed vote could doom us all. I admit I may be one of the quieter players, but not being suspicious is surely not a reason to be suspicious, as you seem to suggest.

However, to Gornall is the stealer. He's been so cautious and apologetic, especially this last post. I accept he probably won't be able to reply to this for now, but still.

Vote: Gornall

Leading us to the rather amusing situation of the three of us voting for each other.

Ye Olde Amusing Because you're all Voting Each Other Vote Accounting


1 - Mekboy (Rusty Knight)
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
1 - Rusty Knight (Gornall )
1 - Gornall (Mekboy)

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Deff Dread red Edition Fifty
With 5 alive it is 3 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Rusty Knight would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Well, at this stage, I find Mekboy the only person for me to vote for. His contribuions have been very neutral, almost like he is treading too fine a line. His vote-counting is helpful, but an easy thing for a 'stealer to do to avoid suspicion. Voting with RustyKnight will probably re-energise talk about our similar voting patterns, but we ca't both be 'stealers...

Vote: Mekboy

I have given up on suriving this game, but hopefully can still get my team the win.

((ooc Oh come on, I posted over 36 hours ago...))

Still moving. But yeah, Fifty voting for Mekboy is pretty huge as it prevents me or Rusty from getting lynched for the moment. I could see the genestealer using my suspicion of him to cover their own guilt tomorrow by letting Rusty and I both live. Just a thought.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


2 - Mekboy (Rusty Knight Fifty )
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
0 - Fifty
1 - Rusty Knight (Gornall )
1 - Gornall (Mekboy)

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Deff Dread red Edition
With 5 alive it is 3 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Mekboy would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Anyone been in contact with DDRE?

OCC: DDRE is probably busy with school stuff, give him a bit longer when he gets on MSN I'll tell him you need him to post.

Sorry guys, I've been trying to finish up my school work for the term.


Anyway, I feel rather suspicious of Mekboy myself. His vote count summaries were as stated above rather helpful. Although he has been rather quiet and hasn't really if I can remember right(it's a rather long thread, all of it seems to blur into one somehow)been involved in the lynching of the stealers, and I am at a loss for what else to do.

So, sadly I must say:

Vote:Mekboy


Edited to fix spelling mistakes.

"I say it's got to be Rusty," begins Gornall.

"You're crazy," sighed Rusty, "it's gotta be that jerk, Mekboy."

"Hey, why is Gornall acting so in control," asked Mekboy, "I'm getting mighty suspicious of him, we should shoot him."

"That's just the kind of crazy talk I would expect from a Genestealer," yelped Fifty, "you're obviously a xenos!"

"Hey, Deff Dread, we're voting, you have an opinion?"

"Zzzzzzz." From where he lay resting his head on the pack of the deceased Brother Stynier DDR made no comment.

"Look, maybe we should settle this with paper/rock/chainscissors?"

"No, we need a plurality of voting, it's the only fair way."

"Deff Dread, we're...could someone wake him up?"

Mekboy leaned down and jerked Brother Stynier's rucksack out from under Deff's head. "Yo, wake up and vote!"

"Huh, bwuh, GENESTEALERS! Genestealers all around me!" Deff Dread pulled out his laspistol and fired it into Mekboy's face.

There was an awkward pause.

"...meant to do that," shrugged Deff Dread as he knelt to inspect the pockets of the fallen Mekboy. But all he could find was a few cogs, an Omnimessiah pamphlet, and a picture of Mekboy at the "Man I Really Hate Xenos Races" convention on Terra last winter.

Mekboy was a loyal Imperial Citizen!

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You know the drill for night actions.
Night 6 Countdown

Gornall is dead, long live Gor...oh wait.
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Gornall, loyal Imperial Citizen has been killed to death in horrible ways.

There are now only three of you left. Today's lynch is your last chance to catch the Genestealer or he will win - that means both town players need to vote correctly.

Good luck to both sides.

Deadline Countdown

Oh, so he was loyal. Damn.

*Dies*

So this is either an elaborate ruse by Fifty to get us(well me really, I'd imagine both Rusty and Fifty will be rather set in their belief of who is a stealer) to believe that Rusty offed Gornall in an attempt to make Rusty look guilty.

That or a rather not so elaborate scheme, in which Rusty offed Gornall because Gornall was suspicious of him.
Either way, I am still very much at a loss.

(Sorry about the two edits. It is rather late, I'm not thinking very clearly.)

Wait, you randomly jump in and lynch Mekboy and accuse me?

How about you killed Gornall to try and make me look bad?

Why is it that after days of being too busy to reply to this thread you jump in and lynch someone and are then able to start discussing?

RustyKnight wrote:Wait, you randomly jump in and lynch Mekboy and accuse me?

I accused both you and fifty. I am simply trying to say that either Fifty is exploiting Gornall's suspicions of you and his vote for you yesterday to make you seem guilty(yet Fifty really killed him), or you did indeed kill Gornall.

How about you killed Gornall to try and make me look bad?

That could be a possibility that entered your mind my good man, however I for one know I am a loyal servant of the emperor.

Why is it that after days of being too busy to reply to this thread you jump in and lynch someone and are then able to start discussing?

As it is the weekend.

Damn, feel a bit bad about offing Mekboy now...

As for who to vote for this time...

eeny-meeny-miney-mo...

*looks back and forth between Rusty and Deff Dredd with a lot of fear and confusion*

Voting at this stage is indeed going to be difficult.
I have no real evidence to support anything.

I am unsure of both of you.
Fifty has been rather vocal and posted quite a lot. His votes have followed the group in most cases(or at least I think they have). Perhaps he blends into the back round a little too nicely. Then again he could just be a well meaning Imperial citizen.

Rusty on the other hand I still can't seem to get a feel for.

Deff Dredd is very quiet, I have found, and I just wonder if that was his tactic from the get-go. The crazy genestealer, LotG, the (initially) sensible 'stealer, Dark O, and the quiet 'stealer... DDrE

Rusty Knight is not very controversial. I find that Gornall's suspicions are almost enough to make me want to vote for him...

Evidence Pointing Towards DDrE as the Last Genestealer
-Suddenly lynched Mekboy after days of silence
-----This just struck me as sudden. It definitely cut short any discussion that could have resulted from being able to converse with DDrE.
-Long absences
-----While these aren't directly scummy, they have allowed DDrE to slide into the last three without ever being put under any real pressure. Fifty and I have both been suspected as 'stealers.
-Very neutral
-----As far as I can remember, DDrE mostly popped in to affirm that he too thought that whoever was suspect #1 was suspicious. Stealth band-wagon?

Evidence Pointing Towards Rusty as the Last Genestealer
-Suspected by Gornall
-----The wording of his last accusation against me is rather interesting. He mentions how he finds my "attitude" off-putting. The word choice there makes it seem more like he doesn't like me and not that I'm giving him any scummy vibes. I could just be attributing too much to word choice, but Gornall seemed relatively well spoken.
-Several Lynchees at One Time or Another Suspected Me
-----If we look at all those who were lynched (EF, n0t_u, Lord-Loss, BrotherStynier, Arheiner, Gornall), n0t_u, BroStyn, and Gornall all mentioned interest in me prior to their death. Of course, in n0t_u's case, I don't think anyone noticed his accusation of me until Gornall quoted it as I could find no record of me ever replying to it. Regardless, that does leave a bit of a pattern. Of course, the pattern is too obvious. Like someone deliberately left it... In the case of BroStyn, Fifty was also one of BroStyn's suspects so lynching him would help Fifty incriminate me and take the pressure off himself. On the other hand, I do believe that DDrE's jumping into it at the start of this day was a rather sudden shift in his demeanor. I think it is rather interesting that he didn't offer up this chain of evidence until after he lynched Mekboy. Waiting to kill Gornall to add more to his attempt to turn Fifty against me?

Course, Drk_o had more experience than any of us, so I'd bet money that he planned all of the lynchings prior to his death. He knew when he was to be lynched as well, so he could have left instructions for his ally. That throws a pretty nasty wrench into all of my deliberations.

Evidence Pointing Towards Fifty as the Last Genestealer
To be continued

I'm having a spot o' trouble with this one. Unfortunately, after BroStyn accused me and him of being on a team, I've felt a particular spot of camaraderie with Fifty that seems to have rendered me incapable of making a neat little list of issues. Rest assured, I will generate one!

-Suddenly lynched Mekboy after days of silence

This was indeed a very bad idea on my part. Mekboy was rather quite that day, conversation seemed to be going nowhere and I had been suspicious of him on days gone by. He at the time seemed the most suspicious and so I voted for him not knowing what else to do.

-----This just struck me as sudden. It definitely cut short any discussion that could have resulted from being able to converse with DDrE.

As said above it was indeed a mistake, I just thought conversation was stagnating and not much was going on.

-Long absences

This I must attribute to my school books arriving late and me having to play catch up to get my terms work done.

-----While these aren't directly scummy, they have allowed DDrE to slide into the last three without ever being put under any real pressure. Fifty and I have both been suspected as 'stealers.

I think it was that on all the previous days we had more obvious suspects or at least more people acting more suspect then I, to deal with.

-Very neutral

Perhaps, I was a bit. However I was in the lynch vote that killed both other stealers. It wouldn't be a very good tactic for genestealers to go around lynching each other, now would it?

-----As far as I can remember, DDrE mostly popped in to affirm that he too thought that whoever was suspect #1 was suspicious. Stealth band-wagon?

Well, I will agree slightly with this, but only for my first day. That day, I firstly voted for Drk_O whom was acting overly suspicious, however as the votes swung toward the Ferret I felt a need to do so to. On the second day, I was suspicious of LoTG from the beginning of that day because of his strange claims and his strange votes.

The next day I was suspicious of Vulkan for his votes which were also centered around 'scummy vibes.' He was modkilled later that day because of his quoting of a PM. On the next day, I could do nothing more then affirm that I found suspect number one suspicious as Vulkan's PM had stated that Drk_O was indeed a stealer. The last two lynches have indeed been mistakes. DD I thought was a stealer Magus, the strange way both stealers unvoted him, only for one to kill his stealer buddy, was strange. He seemed the most likely so I went for him.

Yesterday was also a big mistake on my part. Mekboy had seemed suspicious before, like he was almost to willing to help or trying to hard to seem Imperial. However, I know now that it was meant well and came from a standpoint of an Imperial citizen trying to help his fellow citizens survive.

Whichever way I vote, if I get it wrong, the 'stealer will bandwagon immediately and win...

But if I wait too long, the other cit might vote wrong and go for me, again, allowing the 'stealer to win by immediately lynching me...

Not going to wait...

Just re-read the previous post...

Perhaps, I was a bit. However I was in the lynch vote that killed both other stealers. It wouldn't be a very good tactic for genestealers to go around lynching each other, now would it?

Not much to go on, but I'd rather make my own mistake than have someone else make one and kill me. "Other" stealers? Now, that could refer to "the other two 'stealers as opposed to the one we are trying to find now", but it sounds more like something the final 'stealer would say. "The other two stealers apart from me."

Looks like maybe just careless wording, but it is the strongest evidence I am going to get.

I've also looked back at the first few days. Both Rusty and DDrE voted for Drk_O early. Rusty so early it was definitely either random or 'stealer tricks. As a 'stealer trick it would be less effective because it was too soon. DDrE was a fraction later, enough to make it look more like a 'stealer trick as he was already joining a bandwagon by then. Rusty then switched from Drk_O to LotG.

One thing I do not understand is why Dark_O did not respond to either DDrE or Rusty voting for him. Also, LotG switched from Mekboy to Rusty very easily. I am not sure we can read much into his crazy actions though... DDrE then seemed to support Drk_O in his accusations against the_ferret. No clue why Rusty removed LotG. 'cos he did not think 'stealers would be so daft? He did leave Drk_O on his list though... I wonder if the message at the top of P6 about "our cause" was code to someone he knew to be fellow 'stealer...

But then I look closer and see that DDrE left his vote on Dark_O even when he was at L-1. Mind you, that looks more like being because he did not post for a long time. Rusty moved off when it started to look close to lynch time and voted for ferret instead...

Deff Dredd was also quite protective of LotG at one stage. Deff did not vote for ferret, supposedly to avoid a possible lynch by 'stealers... But then, of course, it was clear by then he woul dget lynched at the end of the day anyway, and Deff knew anyway that there would be only one more 'stealer vote so a lynch would be impossible anyway.

DDrE's frequent filler posts worry me, as does him being anti-LotG for a long time without actualy voting for him and seeming to paradoxically try to not get him lynched as well.

But then Rusty defends Drk_O...

But the voting patterns after that make no sense...

Okay, I have to go to training soon, and I want to vote before I leave, so time to re-read the entirety of the last 15-20 pages...

Rusty, it may look like I am trying to end this quickly, before you have time to write a list of suspicions about me, but if you want to vote for him too, let's get this done. Otherwise, vote for me, he'll bandwagon and kill you dead in a second.

Damn, I hope to hell I am right on this...

Vote: Deff Dread red Edition

Well this is a rather lose, lose situation for me. If I vote Fifty it will be construed as me simply voting against my accuser and will therefore make me look guilty. If I vote for Rusty, I feel he'll just go for the lynch vote on me. So both ways I'm rather doomed.

So, I think I'm going to go for a last ditch appeal, Fifty, I think Rusty is the stealer. If you help me lynch him, both you and I could get out of here alive(I know is this most likely going to get me lynched but what the heck, I don't have much to lose anymore).

Voteeff Dread red Edition

Dude, we won!

Holds up claw for high five!

(I could be a jerk and not count Rusty's vote because it's parsed incorrectly, but...)

The rain splattered down upon the three of them as they stood there eying each other. The thick mud pooled around their boots like turgid soup with each movement. Rusty motioned to the other two.

"I think you both could be the Genestealer but I know it's only one of you. Here are my suspicions..."

DDRE listened and shook his head, "I disagree, I think my votes are all fairly clear."

"I dunno, you've both been quiet...too quiet." Fifty gripped his laspistol tightly - he knew by his training on L-Jenkins Prime he was the fastest draw.

"Look, I helped kill both other stealers...," began DDRE

"Other? Hah, obvious stealer is obvious!" Fifty drew and fired. DDRE barely had time to blink in surprise as he fell to the ground in a splatter of mud and blood.

As if by some sign the rain finally seemed to stop, and Fifty grinned as he looked skyward - sensing the Emperor's benevolence upon him.

That was when the claw burst through his chest.

"All too easy," chuckled Rusty as he shook the body off his clawed arm. "All too easy."

He turned and slowly walked into the jungle - they would have to find some more fools to re-excavate the temple, but all was going according to plan.
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The Game is over.

It is a Genestealer victory

Damn! and I was so sure I was right about Gornall! Sorry about that

How well does everyone think I did for my first game? What did I do wrong?

Gratz to you Rusty, you managed to avoid suspiscion pretty well there.

Thanks for the ace game everybody(especially Thor for putting in the mod work).

Well played you evil genestealer scum.

That one was pretty close. Good game everyone.

Next time, 'stealers!

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Damnit damnit damnit.

Right up to that last little "other 'stealer" comment by DDrE I was 50/50, and leaning towards Rusty very slightly because of Gornall's suspicions.

When I looked back through DDrE's posts in the first 20 or so pages, he just seemed to be trying too hard to be reasonable, too hard to defend LotG and generally just a bit suspect in light of what we learned later.

Sadly, he really was just trying to be reasonable.

Well played Rusty. Towards the end Gornall nearly swayed me on to you, and and different times during the last couple of days I'd have picked you over DDrE, but when it came to the crunch you played it well.

Dastardly Dave wrote:Damn! and I was so sure I was right about Gornall! Sorry about that

How well does everyone think I did for my first game? What did I do wrong?

Gratz to you Rusty, you managed to avoid suspiscion pretty well there.

I think you were dealt a losing hand from when you took over. Apart from that, you really did nothing to make yourself seem suspicious. You ust couldn't shake off the damage gnd had done.

As for identifying people, not sure wha you did or didn't do. I think you were in such a corner that it was impossible for you to contribute much in that regard.

It was my first game as well.

I guess I must have done a decent job of seeming like an upstanding Imperial Cit, as I was last to die, but I found it hard to interpret people's motivations and pick the 'stealers. I think I voted for LotG, I am not sure now, but only because I figured he was not much use as a cit, and therefore the least loss if he died. I didn't pick Dark_O until he was set up anyway, and obviously, Rusty wriggled out of my suspicions...

Very fun game.

Thanks Thor.

I'm in next time, if someone is volunteering?

I would, but I am way too busy. I'll run one in the summer when my life is quieter.

Also, one question rusty, why did you kill off Gornall? As far as I could see, he would have been next on the lynching list, so it would've been easier to shift suscpiscion onto him. (not that it matters now )

EDIT: oh, and count me in for the next one, whoever is doing it.

I must agree with Fifty's statements Dave. You replaced someone who acted very suspiciously and you couldn't really get away from it because you couldn't explain his actions. So you were indeed dealt a 'losing hand.'

I'm in next time, if someone is volunteering?

I do believe Gornall said something about being slated to do the next one.

Dastardly Dave wrote:How well does everyone think I did for my first game? What did I do wrong?

To be frank I feel you played a very solid game. Your big problem was really your predecessor. GND had absorbed up a fair amount of scumtells and when you came in it was very easy to paint you with the same brush (honestly, as I recall it was even Rusty who was doing some of that painting). I thought your communication level was good, your attempt to keep your thoughts open was excellent, and your logic showed some sound basing that as you learn more of the strategy of the game will probably serve you well. I really think if you'd been in from the get go you would have been more akin to Gornall or Emperors Faithful - a good town asset that would have been killed by the Stealers.

Stealers really did do some solid night kill targeting this game.

Fifty wrote:When I looked back through DDrE's posts in the first 20 or so pages, he just seemed to be trying too hard to be reasonable, too hard to defend LotG and generally just a bit suspect in light of what we learned later.

Sadly, he really was just trying to be reasonable.

Rusty made a good target of the final two. He was probably well aware it was slightly risky to kill Gornall Night 6, but with Gornall so suspicious of him and always so big on thinking things through he would have been a risky option. Meanwhile DDRE was a perfect foil for Rusty to use since he'd been quiet enough it was going to be easier to slop some suspicion onto him. I did not envy you the choice (on the flip side I didn't really envy DDRE's choice either - but really that just shows Rusty made a very good play)

I think overall scum team started a touch weak but they really honed their game fast and I think Rusty is darn near a natural for playing a Stealer - I hope if I'm ever in a game with him we're on the same side. lotg and Drk_O I initially thought were going to be rough partners, but oddly enough between the two of them playing around and joking they were actually able to be quite scummy without getting much suspicion (and but for the Inquisitor I think Drk_O would have lasted *much* longer) I'm ashamed to admit I probably would have been dismissing those two myself - and it's a good lesson to realize that sometimes people are acting obviously scummy not because they don't know better but really simply because they are obviously scummy.

Town had some basic ups and downs. You did good in trying to keep conversation going but as much as I understand where Gornall was coming from I do think the grind out in mind game came from a concept that town always needs to go to deadline (which is something I basically taught him, so mea culpa). The truth is town should only go to deadline if there is good conversation and/or there hasn't been enough. Sometimes conversation is dead and it really does just need a lynch to see where the day is going. I'd say the best work of the town was that you were all really big about forcing people to justify their votes - this was very smart play and you had some good conversations about who was or wasn't guilty because of it. Probably the biggest pitfall in general was that I think you needed to go back and look at the proven stealers more once they were proven. There was a fair spate of 'follow the leader' from the stealers early game where I swear every vote Rusty made had both lotg and Drk_O follow suite. That could have been damning if anyone had picked up on it - and certainly going back and re-reading the proven scum looking for any 'buddying' with their fellow Genestealers would have been a smart move.

I'm happy to offer whatever bumbling advice/thoughts I can for anyone else who is curious to see how I read their actions or where I thought maybe they did good or bad.

Two questions from me to you guys.

1. When I modkilled the Inquisitor - do you think it was fair to the scum team that I revealed his role? Should I have not revealed his role at all?

2. For the scum team (or anyone who has ever been a scum) For my next iteration of the game I'm planning to use Quick Topic (a free use message board) to create a mini Genestealer thread for you to discuss plans in during Night Phase. Do you think having a mini thread safe from prying Imperial eyes will be better/easier then the current PM system? What are your thoughts on the current PM system for scum?

Dastardly Dave wrote:Also, one question rusty, why did you kill off Gornall? As far as I could see, he would have been next on the lynching list, so it would've been easier to shift suscpiscion onto him. (not that it matters now )

I don't think I would have voted for Gornall, to be honest. I'd have still voted for either DDrE or Rusty, I think.

Like Thor said about going back and looking at known stealers actions, I wish I had done more of that sooner. I did it when I sat down and voted this morning and I wish I had done more of it more often, but I've been very busy through this game and just have not had the time or energy...

How do you guys think I did for my first game? I was rather nervous to use my vote on most days, feeling slightly like I was kept till last because I was a bumbling townie whose own actions could be used against me.


As for your questions Thor:

1.I don't remember you revealing his role as such. Perhaps I just didn't catch though.

2.I've never played a stealer, but Dakka's PM system doesn't allow one to send multiple PM's to different users at once. So I would think it would help for the quickness of getting night actions in.

I had to kill Gornall night six. He was fairly certain that I was a 'stealer and he had gone after me before. If he hadn't brought up n0t_u's post, I had been considering leaving him and Fifty as the final two. Once DDrE lynched Mekboy, I decided that I would have a better chance of getting DDrE lynched. Especially since most of the reasoning I used in getting Mekboy lynched would work to at least some degree on DDrE.

As far as I know, neither Drk_o nor myself was ever able to communicate with LotG. I'm not sure about hosting a thread on some other forum however, I think it could end up being rather bad if a pro-town managed to locate it.

As for revealing Vulkan's role, I don't think it mattered that much. The PM didn't really look doctored, so Drk_O would have been lynched anyways.

Near the beginning of the game, I was a little too band wagon-ish. Gornall noticed, but I managed to deflect it at least partially and then it got lost in taking out LotG.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I do believe Gornall said something about being slated to do the next one.

I think he was dumb enough to agree to that. If it starts April 5th or later I definitely want in.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:How do you guys think I did for my first game? I was rather nervous to use my vote on most days, feeling slightly like I was kept till last because I was a bumbling townie whose own actions could be used against me.

Your biggest "weakness" was you were just a touch too quiet. really I think that was what helped keep you around. Genestealers like quiet players because other players don't get strong reads on them and it's easier to lynch them with simple commentary like "he's being too quiet...like he has something to hide". And the worst thing is, it's true, being quiet is an excellent stealer tactic. I think if you had just managed to post about once a day regular you'd have been less easy to mislynch. Being nervous with your vote isn't unreasonable, but there's certainly times when it's better and times when it's worse. I can't actually think of a time you were holding back your vote where I thought 'he shouldn't do that, it looks scummy' so I think you were okay in that regard. As you play more games, and catch scum, you'll become more confident in putting your vote out on your own personal reads.

When you did speak I thought you did just fine. You're still learning your way around the logic and strategy of the game but you understood that you should express your thoughts clearly (and concisely - something I struggle with).

That was a good game, really had me guessing. Perhaps I'll last a bit longer on my next one.

Same, I looked at the last day situation and went DDRE HAS to be the genestealer!

I managed to talk to lotg a couple of times, but he didn't really respond in time.

My whole stategy for the game was to do everything anyone ever said a genestealer would never do.

I talked alot.
Antaganised everyone (although that was during the RVS stage)
I didn't talk alot.
I genereally went insane
I claimed to be a psyker (and only because the Inquisitor killed himself)
I even told off Gornal for dropping his suspicion of me when I voted for lotg.
I voted off and killed another Genestealer.

If I missed anything feel free to add it to the list.

Ironically, I wanted to lynch Vulkan on the night he investigated me, but could think of a good reason other than "to try and confuse everyone" and Rusty got off, and I had to go out during the next day so I left it with him.

I don't like the idea of the mini thread. If you do a quick Google Search on "Genestealer Game" the second link is this game(if you count wikipedia's entry on Genestealer and space hulk as one link) and so I'm not sure about having it on another forum.

It would be on Quick Topic who is pretty locked down as to which and how search engines can index it. I also would probably just label it something generic like "game discussion thread" So I personally believe it would be quite safe from searches. Hmmm...

...okay, I actually made a discussion topic. You know for a fact it is on quick topic. I have posted in it and used the word Genestealer.

Give it a bit of time to propagate in search engines and let's see if anyone can find and post the link. If you can I'll figure out another method. If not, then I think it's a fairly secure option.

Arheiner wrote:Same, I looked at the last day situation and went DDRE HAS to be the genestealer!

I had a couple players PM after their deaths with guesses and questions (and for the record - I never answer who the Genestealers are, it's my policy and I stick to it. I will answer most other questions as long as I don't feel they are revealing about any of the mysteries in the game) but I do agree, there was a lot of feeling that DDRE was very likely Genestealer. So you were hardly alone in that thought.

I liked Drk_O's Genestealer play - he is right, he looked so much like a Genestealer no one wanted to waste a vote on him. It was brutally cunning (or is that cunningly brutal?)

I was "hiding in the light" so to speak.

I still find the early snipe to be ouch.

Well, don't completely ignore someone when they say

"No one vote this guy, so he can defend himself"

and try to lynch them. You make it easy for us to gobble you up.

OMN NOM NOM

I agree it was a rough lynching of you, ferret, but you did do some work to help your lynch along. When you get to the point you're not clearly outlining your thought process people get suspicious of what you're hiding.

Yes, you might have a secret plan that will help catch Genestealers. However, you might be simply saying you have a plan you can't clarify because you're a Genestealer trying to convince people not to lynch you.

Unfortunately on Day 1, when there's not much evidence, ANYTHING that seems even a little suspect can get someone lynched. Also, early in the game it's easier for the Stealer's to gang jump on a vote to help see it through, and fairly early on both Rusty and Drk_O figured you were an easy and safe lynch for them to support and that also helped its momentum and doomed you. I am sorry for a newer player that you were one of the first to go - but that's sadly normal.

That's true, and I'm sorry for going straight after you like that.
"Off with his head!"

And I had a good reason to do it too

Thanks for the advice Thor.

I think the quicktopic board could work well. I did several searches using the words 'genestealer' and 'quicktopic' but the closest I got was the quicktopic homepage and to progress further than that one needs an account. So I do believe it would be secure. Then again, if any Imperial player were willing enough to do as such(make an account), I do believe that would be a different matter.

Mind you, doing that may be trying a little too hard to win what is just a game.

That victory did kind of seem to come out of no where though, that's the best kind

So what would people say about my performance in the game? I know it was a while back, but simple curiosity in order to improve.

Gah... I was hoping the townies could pull it off. We started strong but kinda lost steam as we went. I was feeling really good about Rusty being the genestealer until DDRE pulled the trigger on Mekboy. At that point, my money was on him. Very good game by all!

I am still moving and switching jobs atm, but should be able to start up a game after the 27th. I'll put up a signup soon. That should give everyone enough time to get good and anxious for the next one.

In all honesty I felt really bad about offing him. That day was going really slowly, and I actually at that point suspected fifty. However, the day was drawing to a close and no discussion was being had, I thought offing Mekboy would result in you(Gornall) being killed by Fifty in an attempt to make Rusty look guilty. I was quite wrong, but I tried.

Gornall wrote:I am still moving and switching jobs atm, but should be able to start up a game after the 27th. I'll put up a signup soon. That should give everyone enough time to get good and anxious for the next one.

I'm on a road trip the 27th through to the 4th. If you're willing to put up with that absence I would love to participate.

I'm also available as a resource for any questions you may have.

Damn, I want to join Gornall's game but I'm currently in Drk_Oblit's, not sure if I can play in both and not have my head explode.

I think I did good day one and I was pretty busy with RL stuff on day two/three, I was ready to get really back into the game day four.... but I kind of... err died.

I was sure it was Gornall, I hardly suspected Rusty at all.

apart from breaking the rules how did I do as the inquisitor???
should probably read the rules better next time.

I think you did great as Inquisitor considering you managed to investigate a Genestealer on Day 2. Your only real big trouble was figuring out how to then express your information to everyone else in a convincing manner (without rule breaking )

I will say you might have just wanted to try to get Drk_O lynched without you revealing your role right off since as soon as you reveal (unless there's a protection role) the Genestealers are going to kill you. So as soon as you say 'I'm Inquisitor' you have to accept you're a dead man in the night phase. All in all though it was a fine performance.

So looks like my suspicions of Rusty were correct as was my belief that Dave was indeed not a Genestealer.

Vulkan, while you did good by discovering me, I would have waited until you were lynched, then be like

"Gah! I have been killed, but I have a twist! As the Inquisitor I discovered that Drk_O, lotg and Rusty are all Genestealers!!!"

Vulkan has been lynched. He was an Inquisitor

Imperial Victory!

I don't think you're allowed to actually say anything useful in your 'death post' other than "Oh noez-BLARRGH." So in all honesty, unless that post was done directly before the lynch, then your findings would follow you to the grave.

Yeah, a good thing to do if you are an Inquisitor who is about to be lynched is to claim shortly prior to that lynch (most Mafia players tend to pause at L-1 to allow such claims prior to hammer). At that point just say "I know I'm dead, but when I flip Inquisitor please kill X and Y since they are scum"

OK
after I posted the post that killed me I thought Damn
I should have said vote for dark o and if hes a gene stealer Im the inquisitor if not kill me next day

What would have stopped me from Night Killing you?

Anywho, why would they believe you? Why not lynch you an Drk_o next if you were inquisitor. Especially if Drk_o counter-claimed that he was the inquisitor.

I just thought of something, did anybody make reference to "Welcome to the Jungle"? I find it strange that no one has.



There. TAKE THAT GENESTEALERS!!!